[RBW] Re: Any former paper boys (or girls) on this list?

[Corwin]

Hi Matthew -

I was not in Santa Monica. Great area though. I lived in Westchester. My 
route was bordered on the west by Loyola Marymount, on the east by 
Sepulveda Boulevard, on the north by the bluffs overlooking the Hughes 
property. Most of my route was north of 80th street. I did have about a 
dozen customers south of 80th. Mostly at the start of the route. Since I 
picked up the papers on Dunbarton behind the elementarty school, I usually 
rode the route starting from the southwest corner, working my way east 
riding up one street and down another. Never made much money - but it was a 
lot of fun. Now all the houses there are zero-lot-line McMansions. Were it 
not for the street signs, you could never recognize the area.

Namaste,


Corwin

On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 9:39:58 PM UTC-7 Corwin wrote:

> Hey Patrick -
>
> Great thread! I was a paper boy. I don't think this contributed to me 
> being a "bikey" - but it definitely required some growing on my part. I was 
> about 12 (circa 1971) when we started. The route was originally my 
> brother's (13 months younger). I took over the route when he decided he no 
> longer wanted it.
>
> The paper was the Santa Monica Evening Outlook. It was a six-day-a-week, 
> evening paper. The weekend edition came out on Saturday. In my 
> neighborhood, the papers were dropped off about 3:30pm behnd the elementary 
> school. Since we got out of [junior high] school at 1:30pm, this was not a 
> problem. We had to fold, rubber band and load the papers into a "bag" - 
> issued by the paper - for delivery. It has always amused me that after a 
> week or two, you could grab a handful of rubber bands and have exactly the 
> right number for your load of papers. The bag was actually two canvas bags 
> connected via fabric in the middle which allowed you to drape it over a 
> rear rack, and had a hole in the middle which allowed you to carry it on 
> your shoulders with one bag in front, and the other on your back. My route 
> varied from 40 to about 85 papers. When the papers were heavy (as on 
> Saturdays), the bag could easily weigh more than fifty pounds. Since 
> draping the bag over the rack caused the bike to fishtail constantly, I 
> always carried the bag on my shoulders.
>
> My paper was $2.25/month. Given I pay about $20/month for the San 
> Francisco Chronicle (hardcopy on Sundays only) and $10/month for the NY 
> Times (online edition only) today - this seems like it was an incredible 
> deal. Especially since many of my customers got the paper for free. We were 
> charged for the number of papers we were given each month. It was up to me 
> to collect in order to make any money. This is probably why my brother 
> pawned the route off on me. Frequently, you would knock on someone's door; 
> you could hear people inside laughing and talking. But they never answered 
> the door. In reality - this probably only happened 15 or 20% of the time. 
> But it was always frustrating. Especially after daylight savings time ended 
> and you were delivering papers in the dark.
>
> It never got cold in Los Angeles, but it did rain occasionally. We got 
> plastic bags to put the papers in on those days. The bike we started out 
> with was supposedly a paper boy's bike. It had a stout (read HEAVY) steel 
> frame, and an equally stout steel rack. The rack was further fortified with 
> plywood on the top and sides to hold the "bag". This bike had one gear and 
> a coaster brake. Since I never used the rack, I quickly switched to my 
> Dad's Royce Union which was a litte bit lighter and also had a coaster 
> brake. I only recall a couple of occasions where the bike got a flat and we 
> had to get help from Mom to deliver the papers. Luckily, there were a 
> copule family friends (one was our little league coach), and we could call 
> for help.
>
> One of the critical aspects of my route was knowing which customers wanted 
> their paper delivered on the porch. We referred to this phenomenon as 
> customers wanting their paper "porched". I never considered throwing any 
> papers on a roof, since customers always called The Outlook and complained 
> if they didn't get their paper. The Outlook would call the local 
> distribution manager (my boss) and he would call me and tell me to get a 
> paper to them. Many times, I would head to their house with another paper 
> (we always got extras for such occasions) to discover the paper I delivered 
> where I had thrown it on their yard or (worse) dropped it on their porch.
>
> In addition to the Saturday paper, there was usually one day when the 
> paper was particularly full of news (read HEAVY). As I recall, Tuesday was 
> the heavy newsday. I was not terribly big at 12 years of age - and the bag 
> hung down about eight or nine inches below my shoulders. Each time I got 
> close to a customer's house, I would draw a paper from the front bag, and 
> throw it on the yard or driveway (or drop it on the porch) of the 
> customer's 

[RBW] Re: School me on RH tires for my Sam

[Mark Allen]

Adam, I've had Snoqualmies (in Extra Light, Standard and Endurance casings, 
even!) under VO zeppelin 52 fenders on my Sam Hillborne for a few years 
now. I think the only thing preventing me from completing my bingo card is 
that my Sam is the canti version, not the sidepull. On H+Son Archetype rims 
(17.5 mm inner width), the Snoqualmies measure at 41mm for me and I've got 
10 mm of clearance between the tire and the fender. I've been incredibly 
satisfied with this setup.

Mark
On Monday, September 13, 2021 at 10:08:08 PM UTC-4 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:

> Very interested in the conversation as I've been tempted by RH tires 
> lately. I'm one year into my Shikoros that came with my Atlantis and I love 
> them...but I'm tempted to try something else when it's time to replace 
> them. The Barlow Pass Endurance casing seems like the play (wish they had 
> an all-road in 42mm as my Shikoros are 42mm).
>
> On the other hand...Soma makes a Supple Vitesse EX in 700x42 for $20 less 
> a tireon the other-other hand, maybe I can't beat Shikoro for urban 
> commuting/crushed limestone trails.
>
> Ben
>
> On Monday, September 13, 2021 at 8:36:46 PM UTC-5 Adam wrote:
>
>> It seems like most folks are happy with Barlow Pass & fenders, which is 
>> what I have (with 559s), and that's a great combo. Without fenders I'd go 
>> larger, probably the Snoqualmie Pass unless the Oracle Ridge fits w/o 
>> fenders?
>>
>> I've considered trying to squeeze the Snoqualmies - which are around 40mm 
>> for me too - under VO zepplin 52 fenders. Has anyone tried this? I think 
>> the challenge would be the 559 front brake's squeeze when open, which would 
>> be a non issue on the OP's Racers, I guess? If anyone's successfully done 
>> this, or some other combo of Snoqualmie pass and fenders, I'd like to hear 
>> about it.
>>
>> Adam
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, September 13, 2021 at 5:14:18 PM UTC-5 Nick Payne wrote:
>>
>>> My Barlow Pass measure 40mm after several months use, mounted on 22mm 
>>> internal width rims (Light Bicycle AR28 disc rims).
>>>
>>> Nick
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, 14 September 2021 at 6:50:05 am UTC+10 cycli...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Wow Collin, you're getting 41mm on the Barlows?  I get 40mm on the 
 Snoqualmie Pass when mounted on Velocity Dyads and 42mm when mounted on 
 Quills.  The Barlows mounted on Dyads measured 35mm, if I remember 
 correctly.
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: School me on RH tires for my Sam

[Ben Mihovk]

Very interested in the conversation as I've been tempted by RH tires 
lately. I'm one year into my Shikoros that came with my Atlantis and I love 
them...but I'm tempted to try something else when it's time to replace 
them. The Barlow Pass Endurance casing seems like the play (wish they had 
an all-road in 42mm as my Shikoros are 42mm).

On the other hand...Soma makes a Supple Vitesse EX in 700x42 for $20 less a 
tireon the other-other hand, maybe I can't beat Shikoro for urban 
commuting/crushed limestone trails.

Ben

On Monday, September 13, 2021 at 8:36:46 PM UTC-5 Adam wrote:

> It seems like most folks are happy with Barlow Pass & fenders, which is 
> what I have (with 559s), and that's a great combo. Without fenders I'd go 
> larger, probably the Snoqualmie Pass unless the Oracle Ridge fits w/o 
> fenders?
>
> I've considered trying to squeeze the Snoqualmies - which are around 40mm 
> for me too - under VO zepplin 52 fenders. Has anyone tried this? I think 
> the challenge would be the 559 front brake's squeeze when open, which would 
> be a non issue on the OP's Racers, I guess? If anyone's successfully done 
> this, or some other combo of Snoqualmie pass and fenders, I'd like to hear 
> about it.
>
> Adam
>
>
>
> On Monday, September 13, 2021 at 5:14:18 PM UTC-5 Nick Payne wrote:
>
>> My Barlow Pass measure 40mm after several months use, mounted on 22mm 
>> internal width rims (Light Bicycle AR28 disc rims).
>>
>> Nick
>>
>> On Tuesday, 14 September 2021 at 6:50:05 am UTC+10 cycli...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Wow Collin, you're getting 41mm on the Barlows?  I get 40mm on the 
>>> Snoqualmie Pass when mounted on Velocity Dyads and 42mm when mounted on 
>>> Quills.  The Barlows mounted on Dyads measured 35mm, if I remember 
>>> correctly.
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: School me on RH tires for my Sam

[Adam]

It seems like most folks are happy with Barlow Pass & fenders, which is 
what I have (with 559s), and that's a great combo. Without fenders I'd go 
larger, probably the Snoqualmie Pass unless the Oracle Ridge fits w/o 
fenders?

I've considered trying to squeeze the Snoqualmies - which are around 40mm 
for me too - under VO zepplin 52 fenders. Has anyone tried this? I think 
the challenge would be the 559 front brake's squeeze when open, which would 
be a non issue on the OP's Racers, I guess? If anyone's successfully done 
this, or some other combo of Snoqualmie pass and fenders, I'd like to hear 
about it.

Adam



On Monday, September 13, 2021 at 5:14:18 PM UTC-5 Nick Payne wrote:

> My Barlow Pass measure 40mm after several months use, mounted on 22mm 
> internal width rims (Light Bicycle AR28 disc rims).
>
> Nick
>
> On Tuesday, 14 September 2021 at 6:50:05 am UTC+10 cycli...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Wow Collin, you're getting 41mm on the Barlows?  I get 40mm on the 
>> Snoqualmie Pass when mounted on Velocity Dyads and 42mm when mounted on 
>> Quills.  The Barlows mounted on Dyads measured 35mm, if I remember 
>> correctly.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: School me on RH tires for my Sam

[Nick Payne]

My Barlow Pass measure 40mm after several months use, mounted on 22mm 
internal width rims (Light Bicycle AR28 disc rims).

Nick

On Tuesday, 14 September 2021 at 6:50:05 am UTC+10 cycli...@gmail.com wrote:

> Wow Collin, you're getting 41mm on the Barlows?  I get 40mm on the 
> Snoqualmie Pass when mounted on Velocity Dyads and 42mm when mounted on 
> Quills.  The Barlows mounted on Dyads measured 35mm, if I remember 
> correctly.

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[RBW] Re: School me on RH tires for my Sam

[David Person]

Very interesting.  Both my sets of Snoqualmie Pass are standard casing.  
The set on the Quill rims are set up tubeless.  The set on the Dyads have 
tube.  ID rim width are 20.2mm for the Quill and 18.4mm for the Dyad.

On Monday, September 13, 2021 at 3:02:28 PM UTC-7 Collin A wrote:

> Yeah...not really sure why, but there is always some variation, right? 
> They are setup tubeless, but just the standard casing.
>
> Luckily I have clearance for 50+mm tires in the frame and fork, so I'm 
> doing fine on that end.
>
> Collin "its good" in Sactown
>
> On Monday, September 13, 2021 at 1:50:05 PM UTC-7 cycli...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Wow Collin, you're getting 41mm on the Barlows?  I get 40mm on the 
>> Snoqualmie Pass when mounted on Velocity Dyads and 42mm when mounted on 
>> Quills.  The Barlows mounted on Dyads measured 35mm, if I remember 
>> correctly.
>>
>>
>> On Monday, September 13, 2021 at 9:22:11 AM UTC-7 Collin A wrote:
>>
>>> Tim,
>>>
>>> As the others have mentioned, don't you dare think about going smaller 
>>> than 38s. I have RH Barlows (measure closer to 41 on my 21mm ID rims) on my 
>>> 'gravel' ritchey, but I use the bike as my road bike as well and those 
>>> tires are just perfect for road riding and mixed terrain, provided it isn't 
>>> too dusty and loose where you are. Also, RH actually posts tire size based 
>>> on pressure and rim ID on their notes for the tires on their product pages, 
>>> so you can use that as a reference for fit as well.
>>>
>>> And agreed on the choice of standard casing, they work well enough and 
>>> are noticeably (although not much) cheaper than the EL versions.
>>>
>>> Good Luck,
>>> Collin, in Chattery Paved Sacramento
>>>
>>> On Monday, September 13, 2021 at 4:08:06 AM UTC-7 Tim Bantham wrote:
>>>
 Hello All, I'm thinking about treating my Sam Hillborne to a new set of 
 shoes. I'm currently riding smooth Gravel King's in a 38mm. These are set 
 up tubeless and I run them at around 38 to 40 psi. I've been very happy 
 with these tires and find that the 38mm GK's ride great. 

 My Sam is circa 2016 with side pull brakes. I am currently using Paul 
 Racers. I could probably fit a larger tire than a 38mm but don't feel the 
 need to. 

 I want to try a new set of RH/Compass tires which will also be 
 tubeless. I could just get the Barlow Pass but I am curious about the Bon 
 Jon Pass. I am mostly interested to see how a slight smaller 35mm would 
 compare to a 38. 

 I was going to get the standard casing because I am prefer to put a 
 premium on durability over the ultimate suppleness. 

 Should I continue to take advantage of the tire clearance I current 
 enjoy and keep riding a 38mm or should I try satisfy my curiosity by 
 trying 
 the 35mm's?

 Tim





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[RBW] Re: School me on RH tires for my Sam

[Collin A]

Yeah...not really sure why, but there is always some variation, right? They 
are setup tubeless, but just the standard casing.

Luckily I have clearance for 50+mm tires in the frame and fork, so I'm 
doing fine on that end.

Collin "its good" in Sactown

On Monday, September 13, 2021 at 1:50:05 PM UTC-7 cycli...@gmail.com wrote:

> Wow Collin, you're getting 41mm on the Barlows?  I get 40mm on the 
> Snoqualmie Pass when mounted on Velocity Dyads and 42mm when mounted on 
> Quills.  The Barlows mounted on Dyads measured 35mm, if I remember 
> correctly.
>
>
> On Monday, September 13, 2021 at 9:22:11 AM UTC-7 Collin A wrote:
>
>> Tim,
>>
>> As the others have mentioned, don't you dare think about going smaller 
>> than 38s. I have RH Barlows (measure closer to 41 on my 21mm ID rims) on my 
>> 'gravel' ritchey, but I use the bike as my road bike as well and those 
>> tires are just perfect for road riding and mixed terrain, provided it isn't 
>> too dusty and loose where you are. Also, RH actually posts tire size based 
>> on pressure and rim ID on their notes for the tires on their product pages, 
>> so you can use that as a reference for fit as well.
>>
>> And agreed on the choice of standard casing, they work well enough and 
>> are noticeably (although not much) cheaper than the EL versions.
>>
>> Good Luck,
>> Collin, in Chattery Paved Sacramento
>>
>> On Monday, September 13, 2021 at 4:08:06 AM UTC-7 Tim Bantham wrote:
>>
>>> Hello All, I'm thinking about treating my Sam Hillborne to a new set of 
>>> shoes. I'm currently riding smooth Gravel King's in a 38mm. These are set 
>>> up tubeless and I run them at around 38 to 40 psi. I've been very happy 
>>> with these tires and find that the 38mm GK's ride great. 
>>>
>>> My Sam is circa 2016 with side pull brakes. I am currently using Paul 
>>> Racers. I could probably fit a larger tire than a 38mm but don't feel the 
>>> need to. 
>>>
>>> I want to try a new set of RH/Compass tires which will also be tubeless. 
>>> I could just get the Barlow Pass but I am curious about the Bon Jon Pass. I 
>>> am mostly interested to see how a slight smaller 35mm would compare to a 
>>> 38. 
>>>
>>> I was going to get the standard casing because I am prefer to put a 
>>> premium on durability over the ultimate suppleness. 
>>>
>>> Should I continue to take advantage of the tire clearance I current 
>>> enjoy and keep riding a 38mm or should I try satisfy my curiosity by trying 
>>> the 35mm's?
>>>
>>> Tim
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Brevets on Rivs -- 2021 Dillon Beach 200k.

[Bill Lindsay]

I stopped for an espresso and lemon cake at the first control, and there 
was kind of a wait at the third control, so minutes were out there to be 
had.  

Strava had me riding 7 hours and 57 minutes, which included the couple 
miles at the beginning and end to my van, so I'm pretty happy with that.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Sunday, September 12, 2021 at 8:47:35 PM UTC-7 ttoshi wrote:

> Good to see you Bill!  It was a beautiful day and the only issue I had 
> with my small Roadeo is that there isn't much seat to tire clearance 
> (compared to my 650b).  I usually ride with my Mark's wrap, but thought I 
> might need extra space, so I swapped bags with the Banana Sack. I thought 
> there was enough clearance, but things shifted in the bag a bit and with 
> some up and down motion, it was rubbing on my rear wheel. I ended up 
> cinching the bag up with an Irish Strap. Duct tape would have done the job 
> too, but the Irish strap is much prettier! 
>
> Bill was speeding along and I got to talk with him because he was stopped 
> in the road waiting for some tree trimmers to open up the lane.  He might 
> have gotten his best time without that delay.  I had my best time on a 200k 
> ever at 8:43.  The beautiful tail wind down the Pacific Coast Highway 
> helped!  
>
> Toshi in Oakland, CA
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[RBW] Re: School me on RH tires for my Sam

[David Person]

Wow Collin, you're getting 41mm on the Barlows?  I get 40mm on the 
Snoqualmie Pass when mounted on Velocity Dyads and 42mm when mounted on 
Quills.  The Barlows mounted on Dyads measured 35mm, if I remember 
correctly.


On Monday, September 13, 2021 at 9:22:11 AM UTC-7 Collin A wrote:

> Tim,
>
> As the others have mentioned, don't you dare think about going smaller 
> than 38s. I have RH Barlows (measure closer to 41 on my 21mm ID rims) on my 
> 'gravel' ritchey, but I use the bike as my road bike as well and those 
> tires are just perfect for road riding and mixed terrain, provided it isn't 
> too dusty and loose where you are. Also, RH actually posts tire size based 
> on pressure and rim ID on their notes for the tires on their product pages, 
> so you can use that as a reference for fit as well.
>
> And agreed on the choice of standard casing, they work well enough and are 
> noticeably (although not much) cheaper than the EL versions.
>
> Good Luck,
> Collin, in Chattery Paved Sacramento
>
> On Monday, September 13, 2021 at 4:08:06 AM UTC-7 Tim Bantham wrote:
>
>> Hello All, I'm thinking about treating my Sam Hillborne to a new set of 
>> shoes. I'm currently riding smooth Gravel King's in a 38mm. These are set 
>> up tubeless and I run them at around 38 to 40 psi. I've been very happy 
>> with these tires and find that the 38mm GK's ride great. 
>>
>> My Sam is circa 2016 with side pull brakes. I am currently using Paul 
>> Racers. I could probably fit a larger tire than a 38mm but don't feel the 
>> need to. 
>>
>> I want to try a new set of RH/Compass tires which will also be tubeless. 
>> I could just get the Barlow Pass but I am curious about the Bon Jon Pass. I 
>> am mostly interested to see how a slight smaller 35mm would compare to a 
>> 38. 
>>
>> I was going to get the standard casing because I am prefer to put a 
>> premium on durability over the ultimate suppleness. 
>>
>> Should I continue to take advantage of the tire clearance I current enjoy 
>> and keep riding a 38mm or should I try satisfy my curiosity by trying the 
>> 35mm's?
>>
>> Tim
>>
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] messages into spam

[Matthew Williams]

Yep, me too.



On Sep 13, 2021, at 12:27 PM, Eric Floden  wrote:

> FYI
> 
> So far this week, I have had a dozen messages from these two groups go into 
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> 
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[RBW] messages into spam

[Eric Floden]

FYI

So far this week, I have had a dozen messages from these two groups go into
the spam folder. This after a couple of weeks of none going there.

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Re: [RBW] Re: The Doctor Who Cycled Around the World

[Ryan]

Especially if the homeward leg of a century is into a headwind! I've been 
in that situation more than once as a prairie dweller

On Sunday, September 12, 2021 at 10:18:29 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> "Leah, who has never even ridden a century..."
>
> I remember being about 60 miles into it and realizing there were 40 more. 
> I was not pleased with this information! 
>
> On Sunday, September 12, 2021 at 7:09:16 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Doug, that’s wild! If you (or anyone) reads the book, report back. I’m 
>> reading his journal online now. 
>>
>> Leah, who has never even ridden a century, nor gone on a group ride.
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Sep 12, 2021, at 2:35 PM, dougP  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> Yep, that's the guy.  Quite an adventure.  Seems odd to have worn out 5 
>> Rohloff hubs but they were seeing a lot of abuse.  Off to order the book.
>>
>> Thanks for posting.  I'd wondered what happened to the guy.  
>>
>> dougP
>>
>> On Sunday, September 12, 2021 at 1:47:40 PM UTC-7 dougP wrote:
>>
>>> We saw a presentation at REI several years ago from (probably) that same 
>>> Dr.  He was raising funds for tropical disease research that Big Pharma 
>>> wasn't interested in:  no money as the countries where these diseases are a 
>>> problem are all poor.  
>>>
>>> He had lots of great stories.  In one area of Africa, he said when he 
>>> passed the same dead goat twice he knew he was lost.  When we saw him in 
>>> SoCal, he was on I believe his 3rd tent, and he had a set of Ortleibs where 
>>> most of coating had worn off.  He had a new set waiting for him in the Bay 
>>> Area, & made it sound like "I'll just pop up there & get them".  
>>>
>>> I'll have to check out those links.  I always wondered if he made it.  
>>> He had some pretty dodgy adventures.
>>>
>>> dougP
>>>
>>> On Sunday, September 12, 2021 at 11:53:24 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>
 I was listening to a podcast episode on The Moth. At the end of the 
 show, a bonus story was featured. It was told by Steven Fabes, an ER doc 
 who hailed from London, who had hatched an ill-formed plan to cycle around 
 the world. He quits his job, buys a shiny new bicycle, and waves goodbye 
 to 
 100 of his closest friends and family on the steps of his old hospital. He 
 makes it as far as his favorite pub before he realizes he’s made a 
 terrible 
 mistake. And that’s all I’ll say. He was so engaging and so hilarious that 
 I tracked him down online and found his website. His book detailing his 
 travels is called Signs of Life, and you can get it on Amazon (ebook for 
 me!). 

 If you have a little wanderlust yourself (me!), you love bikes (ooh, 
 me!) and you are interested in medicine (also me!) you might enjoy his 
 book 
 or at least reading an article about his journey.

 https://stephenfabes.com/the-journey/

 The podcast of his story - begins at the 15 min mark:

 https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-moth/id275699983?i=1000534944747

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Re: [RBW] Bikes on eBay, CraigsLIst, and Other Sites

[Johnny Alien]

That is a great price on the Bombadil!

On Monday, September 13, 2021 at 1:49:56 PM UTC-4 Matthew Williams wrote:

> Bombadil
> 52cm
> $1800
> Bend, OR
>
> https://bend.craigslist.org/bik/d/sisters-rivendell-bombadil-all-purpose/7379058210.html
>
>
> Roadini
> 54cm
> $1750
> Portland, OR
>
> https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/d/portland-rivendell-roadini-54-cm/7379028891.html

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Re: [RBW] Share More Riv Riding Pics

[John G]

If it was in my Flickr stream, it was my 2015 AWOL, going the eventual way 
of all AWOLs it seems,  cracked at the seat tube/downtube Junction.  That 
is new for me as I usually crack frames at the bottom bracket area.

https://flic.kr/p/2m7HTvL

Since Specialized did not have a replacement frame with same hub spacings, 
etc., of the AWOL, they gave me an entire new Diverge, which is turning out 
to be a pretty fun ride.

https://flic.kr/p/2mhn8PN

John G
UB, MD

On Friday, September 10, 2021 at 11:56:52 AM UTC-4 rickur...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> I can’t tell. It’s a close up of a brown frame
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 10, 2021, at 11:44 AM, st nick  wrote:
>
> 
>
>
> Rick Urbanowski wrote,
> unread,
> Sep 9
> Wow! "Was that a cracked frame?"
>
> Which bike Rick?
>
> Paul in Dallas
>
> Wh
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Re: [RBW] Bikes on eBay, CraigsLIst, and Other Sites

[Matthew Williams]

Bombadil
52cm
$1800
Bend, OR
https://bend.craigslist.org/bik/d/sisters-rivendell-bombadil-all-purpose/7379058210.html


Roadini
54cm
$1750
Portland, OR
https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/d/portland-rivendell-roadini-54-cm/7379028891.html

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[RBW] Re: School me on RH tires for my Sam

[Collin A]

Tim,

As the others have mentioned, don't you dare think about going smaller than 
38s. I have RH Barlows (measure closer to 41 on my 21mm ID rims) on my 
'gravel' ritchey, but I use the bike as my road bike as well and those 
tires are just perfect for road riding and mixed terrain, provided it isn't 
too dusty and loose where you are. Also, RH actually posts tire size based 
on pressure and rim ID on their notes for the tires on their product pages, 
so you can use that as a reference for fit as well.

And agreed on the choice of standard casing, they work well enough and are 
noticeably (although not much) cheaper than the EL versions.

Good Luck,
Collin, in Chattery Paved Sacramento

On Monday, September 13, 2021 at 4:08:06 AM UTC-7 Tim Bantham wrote:

> Hello All, I'm thinking about treating my Sam Hillborne to a new set of 
> shoes. I'm currently riding smooth Gravel King's in a 38mm. These are set 
> up tubeless and I run them at around 38 to 40 psi. I've been very happy 
> with these tires and find that the 38mm GK's ride great. 
>
> My Sam is circa 2016 with side pull brakes. I am currently using Paul 
> Racers. I could probably fit a larger tire than a 38mm but don't feel the 
> need to. 
>
> I want to try a new set of RH/Compass tires which will also be tubeless. I 
> could just get the Barlow Pass but I am curious about the Bon Jon Pass. I 
> am mostly interested to see how a slight smaller 35mm would compare to a 
> 38. 
>
> I was going to get the standard casing because I am prefer to put a 
> premium on durability over the ultimate suppleness. 
>
> Should I continue to take advantage of the tire clearance I current enjoy 
> and keep riding a 38mm or should I try satisfy my curiosity by trying the 
> 35mm's?
>
> Tim
>
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: The Doctor Who Cycled Around the World

[aeroperf]

While he was cycling, he put out a blog so you could follow the trip.  I 
stumbled on it in about 2014 and followed him until he got home.  It was 
fascinating.  I can’t find the blog anymore, and I’m betting that is what 
became the book.
His journal: https://stephenfabes.com/journal/ contains some stories from 
the blog, like the rough camping one.
His writing style is excellent.  I just hope he didn’t trim too much.  I 
still wonder what happened to the girl he cycled Australia with.

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[RBW] Re: School me on RH tires for my Sam

[David Person]

I have a 2016 Sam with Tektro R559 sidepulls.  Ran Barlow Pass (standard 
casing) with fenders and then moved up to Snoqualmie Pass but were 
questionable with fenders.  Moved the fenders to a new Surly frame that 
have Snoqualmie Pass also, but more clearance.  Went tubeless on the Surly 
for the first time.  Sam is still tubed, but will be building a set of 
wheels for it with tubeless compatible rims soon.

On Monday, September 13, 2021 at 5:50:16 AM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:

> For me personally I don't see a reason for going smaller if I have the 
> room.  The added volume and ability to run lower pressures just makes the 
> ride better for me. That sad different tires run different sizes so a 38 GK 
> might run a true 38 or it might actually be 36 on your rim. If that were 
> true then a true 35 would be almost no difference at all. It all depends on 
> the true GK size vs the true RH size. There is likely not a huge difference 
> in ride between 3mm. I would just personally stick with the larger tires.
>
> On Monday, September 13, 2021 at 7:08:06 AM UTC-4 Tim Bantham wrote:
>
>> Hello All, I'm thinking about treating my Sam Hillborne to a new set of 
>> shoes. I'm currently riding smooth Gravel King's in a 38mm. These are set 
>> up tubeless and I run them at around 38 to 40 psi. I've been very happy 
>> with these tires and find that the 38mm GK's ride great. 
>>
>> My Sam is circa 2016 with side pull brakes. I am currently using Paul 
>> Racers. I could probably fit a larger tire than a 38mm but don't feel the 
>> need to. 
>>
>> I want to try a new set of RH/Compass tires which will also be tubeless. 
>> I could just get the Barlow Pass but I am curious about the Bon Jon Pass. I 
>> am mostly interested to see how a slight smaller 35mm would compare to a 
>> 38. 
>>
>> I was going to get the standard casing because I am prefer to put a 
>> premium on durability over the ultimate suppleness. 
>>
>> Should I continue to take advantage of the tire clearance I current enjoy 
>> and keep riding a 38mm or should I try satisfy my curiosity by trying the 
>> 35mm's?
>>
>> Tim
>>
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Incoming Frame Schedule

[Tim Bantham]

That's the one I was looking for! Thanks Mathieu!

On Monday, September 13, 2021 at 9:23:16 AM UTC-4 mathie...@gmail.com wrote:

> Good morning Tim, 
>
> The Most recent update that I recall seeing is from Aug 6th, 
>
> I’ve attached the body of the email below 
>
> Early AugustI wrote in an earlier update about how our production is 
> shaping up for next year and how it's looking like we're going to have a 
> repeat of this year with many of our frame orders placed over a year ago 
> getting pushed all the way to 2023.
>
> The situation is obviously serious either way, but I have a suspicion and 
> hope that our people in Taiwan are doing what we* try *to do here (it 
> doesn't always work out) which is underpromise and overdeliver; or maybe 
> they're just preparing us for the absolute worst scenario and it won't end 
> up being that bad. I'm allowed to hope!
>
> Here's an example of what it's like now: I placed two orders in June each 
> for 1200 Alex DM21 rims and they told me the current ETA for the first 
> order is July 2023, and the second order is March 202*4.* How could that 
> be? Do they really have that many unfufilled orders? It's hard to wrap my 
> head around it.
>
> If the current production schedule is accurate, we're getting less than 
> half of what we planned for. This means more instant frame sell-outs, 
> reduced dealer sales, and increased prices. The alternative is laying off 
> employees, reducing hours, or possibly not making it to 2023.
>
> That all sounds bad and worrisome, but recently I stumbled across some 
> entries from Grant's progress reports in the early Riv Readers. The 
> problems then were absolutely worse; Riv was on the cusp of out-of-business 
> for years. If you feel like it, you can read through some of those in the 
> early 
> Readers here 
> ,
>  
> but they're stressful, even 20 years later. At least now we have enough 
> momentum to clear the hurdles - We're not Dalilah Muhammad, but we're doing 
> OK.
>
> Here are some updated frame ETAs, with a major emphasis on the E. They 
> don't account for port strikes or congestion, Covid shut downs, or Suez 
> Canal type jam-ups. Also, we won't make the frames live on the site the day 
> we receive the container. If we're still working on the shipment that came 
> before, we'll wait awhile before making them available to buy. All these 
> dates below can change and sometimes drastically.
>
> *Clem L framesets, 45 frames*: delivery is imminent, like next week.
>
> *Homers in 47.5 and 51, 48 frames: *Shipping from Taiwan in early 
> September - delivery mid to late the same month.
>
> *Clem L Completes 99 bikes: *Shipping with the small Homers above.
>
> *Homers in 54.5, 58, 61.5 and 64cm, 98 frames: *Shipping from Taiwan in 
> early October - delivery mid to late the same month.
>
> *Gus and Susie - 130 frames: *Shipping sometime in November, arrival 
> early December. If they get delayed we may push them into 2022.
>
> *Rosco Platypus: *Unknown ETA - we're still waiting on samples.
>
> That brings us to 2022 and the only confirmed deliveries we have are:
>
> *Atlantis - 150 frames: *Slated to ship from Taiwan in January, with 
> arrival late that month or early the next.
>
> *Platypus - 226 frames: *Delivery in March.
>
> *Sam Hillbornes - 209 frames: *Delivery in April.
>
> The rest of our orders, most of which we placed in September 2020, have 
> been pushed back to 2023. We're still waiting to hear for sure what we can 
> get from our other frame maker - so far all they've said is that they'll 
> try their hardest to get us Homers in July '22, but no word yet on 
> Roadunos, Roadinis, and Gus-n-Susies, which they also make.
>
> We also have a couple projects in the works, here's the scoop:
>
> *Jim Rear Rack: *Delivery in early October.
>
> *Slim Jim Goat Gloves: *Late this month
>
> *Microshift front derailers: *Late this month - these will work on all 
> our bikes.
>
> *Microshift thumbies: *Sometime in September.
>
> *Silver2 Thumb mounts: *Late this month - the shifters are in stock now.
>
> On Sep 13, 2021, at 8:21 AM, Tim Bantham  wrote:
>
>
> Does anyone have the latest inbound frame schedule? I couldn't find the 
> latest on this. I thought Will had sent an email but I couldn't locate it. 
> Given the current supply challenges I realize that anything published is 
> best guess. 
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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Mystery Bike / Protovelo / Long Bike / 54.7 Protoveloosa Single Speed

[Johnny Alien]

Those were cool bikes. There were 10 of them made and they were built by 
Mark Nobillette

On Monday, September 13, 2021 at 9:10:59 AM UTC-4 lconley wrote:

> I bought this from Rivendell in 2016. It had been at headquarters for 
> several years when I bought it as a "Protoveloosa". It is my understanding 
> that it was one of the "Mystery Bikes". It had an Appaloosa head badge on 
> it as delivered to me. This was a photograph of it when it was a Riv 
> headquarters:
> [image: tben-5_72e1d376-f37d-4286-8031-c2f5e0f30f2e_1600x.jpg]
> It had a B-17 and different shifter setup when I got it. It has gone 
> through a couple iterations and I just built it up as a single speed - it 
> has sloped horizontal dropouts:
> [image: 3.jpg]
> The top tube actual length is about 24.5" and the seat tube is about 21.5" 
> - perfect for my short legs and long torso. Original headset and kickstand, 
> but that is about it.
> Brooks B-68 saddle on Nitto 26.8 S-83 seatpost.
> Sun XCD crank with VO 44 tooth chainring on Shimano BB, KMC stainless 
> single speed chain with few extra links, 20 tooth White Industries 
> freewheel - 62 inch gearing with the 28" diameter tires.
> gray VP "Thin Gripster" pedals.
> I built the wheels - White industries ENO hubs, 36 hole, Wheelsmith DB SS 
> spokes, VO 700C Escapade rims - 28mm wide with SS eyelets, gray Schwalbe 
> Big Ben 50mm tires.
> 100mm Nitto DirtDrop stem, Nitto Wavie handlebars, Rustines black grips, 
> Tektro mountain levers.
> Dia Compe centerpull brakes, allen mounting, 610 front / 750 rear, Kool 
> Stop gray "Best Cheap Brake Shoes"
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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Incoming Frame Schedule

[Mathieu Brown]

Good morning Tim, 

The Most recent update that I recall seeing is from Aug 6th, 

I’ve attached the body of the email below 

Early August
I wrote in an earlier update about how our production is shaping up for next 
year and how it's looking like we're going to have a repeat of this year with 
many of our frame orders placed over a year ago getting pushed all the way to 
2023.

The situation is obviously serious either way, but I have a suspicion and hope 
that our people in Taiwan are doing what we try to do here (it doesn't always 
work out) which is underpromise and overdeliver; or maybe they're just 
preparing us for the absolute worst scenario and it won't end up being that 
bad. I'm allowed to hope!

Here's an example of what it's like now: I placed two orders in June each for 
1200 Alex DM21 rims and they told me the current ETA for the first order is 
July 2023, and the second order is March 2024. How could that be? Do they 
really have that many unfufilled orders? It's hard to wrap my head around it.

If the current production schedule is accurate, we're getting less than half of 
what we planned for. This means more instant frame sell-outs, reduced dealer 
sales, and increased prices. The alternative is laying off employees, reducing 
hours, or possibly not making it to 2023.

That all sounds bad and worrisome, but recently I stumbled across some entries 
from Grant's progress reports in the early Riv Readers. The problems then were 
absolutely worse; Riv was on the cusp of out-of-business for years. If you feel 
like it, you can read through some of those in the early Readers here 
,
 but they're stressful, even 20 years later. At least now we have enough 
momentum to clear the hurdles - We're not Dalilah Muhammad, but we're doing OK.

Here are some updated frame ETAs, with a major emphasis on the E. They don't 
account for port strikes or congestion, Covid shut downs, or Suez Canal type 
jam-ups. Also, we won't make the frames live on the site the day we receive the 
container. If we're still working on the shipment that came before, we'll wait 
awhile before making them available to buy. All these dates below can change 
and sometimes drastically.

Clem L framesets, 45 frames: delivery is imminent, like next week.

Homers in 47.5 and 51, 48 frames: Shipping from Taiwan in early September - 
delivery mid to late the same month.

Clem L Completes 99 bikes: Shipping with the small Homers above.

Homers in 54.5, 58, 61.5 and 64cm, 98 frames: Shipping from Taiwan in early 
October - delivery mid to late the same month.

Gus and Susie - 130 frames: Shipping sometime in November, arrival early 
December. If they get delayed we may push them into 2022.

Rosco Platypus: Unknown ETA - we're still waiting on samples.

That brings us to 2022 and the only confirmed deliveries we have are:

Atlantis - 150 frames: Slated to ship from Taiwan in January, with arrival late 
that month or early the next.

Platypus - 226 frames: Delivery in March.

Sam Hillbornes - 209 frames: Delivery in April.

The rest of our orders, most of which we placed in September 2020, have been 
pushed back to 2023. We're still waiting to hear for sure what we can get from 
our other frame maker - so far all they've said is that they'll try their 
hardest to get us Homers in July '22, but no word yet on Roadunos, Roadinis, 
and Gus-n-Susies, which they also make.

We also have a couple projects in the works, here's the scoop:

Jim Rear Rack: Delivery in early October.

Slim Jim Goat Gloves: Late this month

Microshift front derailers: Late this month - these will work on all our bikes.

Microshift thumbies: Sometime in September.

Silver2 Thumb mounts: Late this month - the shifters are in stock now.

> On Sep 13, 2021, at 8:21 AM, Tim Bantham  wrote:
> 
> 
> Does anyone have the latest inbound frame schedule? I couldn't find the 
> latest on this. I thought Will had sent an email but I couldn't locate it. 
> Given the current supply challenges I realize that anything published is best 
> guess. 
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[RBW] Rivendell Incoming Frame Schedule

[Tim Bantham]

Does anyone have the latest inbound frame schedule? I couldn't find the 
latest on this. I thought Will had sent an email but I couldn't locate it. 
Given the current supply challenges I realize that anything published is 
best guess. 

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[RBW] Re: School me on RH tires for my Sam

[Johnny Alien]

For me personally I don't see a reason for going smaller if I have the 
room.  The added volume and ability to run lower pressures just makes the 
ride better for me. That sad different tires run different sizes so a 38 GK 
might run a true 38 or it might actually be 36 on your rim. If that were 
true then a true 35 would be almost no difference at all. It all depends on 
the true GK size vs the true RH size. There is likely not a huge difference 
in ride between 3mm. I would just personally stick with the larger tires.

On Monday, September 13, 2021 at 7:08:06 AM UTC-4 Tim Bantham wrote:

> Hello All, I'm thinking about treating my Sam Hillborne to a new set of 
> shoes. I'm currently riding smooth Gravel King's in a 38mm. These are set 
> up tubeless and I run them at around 38 to 40 psi. I've been very happy 
> with these tires and find that the 38mm GK's ride great. 
>
> My Sam is circa 2016 with side pull brakes. I am currently using Paul 
> Racers. I could probably fit a larger tire than a 38mm but don't feel the 
> need to. 
>
> I want to try a new set of RH/Compass tires which will also be tubeless. I 
> could just get the Barlow Pass but I am curious about the Bon Jon Pass. I 
> am mostly interested to see how a slight smaller 35mm would compare to a 
> 38. 
>
> I was going to get the standard casing because I am prefer to put a 
> premium on durability over the ultimate suppleness. 
>
> Should I continue to take advantage of the tire clearance I current enjoy 
> and keep riding a 38mm or should I try satisfy my curiosity by trying the 
> 35mm's?
>
> Tim
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] School me on RH tires for my Sam

[Tim Bantham]

Hello All, I'm thinking about treating my Sam Hillborne to a new set of 
shoes. I'm currently riding smooth Gravel King's in a 38mm. These are set 
up tubeless and I run them at around 38 to 40 psi. I've been very happy 
with these tires and find that the 38mm GK's ride great. 

My Sam is circa 2016 with side pull brakes. I am currently using Paul 
Racers. I could probably fit a larger tire than a 38mm but don't feel the 
need to. 

I want to try a new set of RH/Compass tires which will also be tubeless. I 
could just get the Barlow Pass but I am curious about the Bon Jon Pass. I 
am mostly interested to see how a slight smaller 35mm would compare to a 
38. 

I was going to get the standard casing because I am prefer to put a premium 
on durability over the ultimate suppleness. 

Should I continue to take advantage of the tire clearance I current enjoy 
and keep riding a 38mm or should I try satisfy my curiosity by trying the 
35mm's?

Tim



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Re: [RBW] Re: The Doctor Who Cycled Around the World

[Peter Adler]

It's been around for three or four centuries, and it's more frequently 
spelled "hodgepodge".

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/hodgepodge

Peter Adler
Berkeley, CA

On Sunday, September 12, 2021 at 10:37:53 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I also learned that hotchpotch is a word (or he invented it)
>

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