[RBW] Re: FS Sackville HB bag, Nitto F15, Small Trunksac.

['Hetchins52' via RBW Owners Bunch]

My favorite handle bar bag -- Love the magnetic closure for the main flap!
Great deal for this setup!
David Lipsky
Berkeley, CA


On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 3:40:58 PM UTC-7 Frank Brose wrote:

> Everything is in excellent condition. Not a lot of use. Leather has been 
> treated with Obenaufs.
> I want to sell these as set. Asking  $220 net to me. I'll cover the 
> shipping in the CONUS. PM me if you're interested.
> Thanks,
> Frank
>
> [image: P1020323.JPG]
>

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Re: [RBW] High bars at a club ride

[Toshi Takeuchi]

I recently rode an event where my Roadeo was the spectacle of the ride. My
leather seat and “giant” banana sack bag and “fat” 32 mm tires were so
unusual. My comment to them was that the Roadeo is my light bike! I climbed
faster than my buddies despite my “heavy” bike and dusted’em on the
downhills because my “fat” tires were way more stable on the bumpy roads.
We all had fun and no carbon frames cracked that day thankfully.

Toshi


On Thu, Jul 28, 2022 at 7:03 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> Leah's bike is better and prettier and her position is superior and that's
> just the facts. In my opinion. Which is the correct one.
>
> Joe "just sayin, and I'm right" Bernard
>
> On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 6:37:59 PM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> Leah's bicycle is superior to the roadies bicycles. That is an opinion
>> but happens to be correct.  Thank you Marc for this thread as it highlights
>> the fact that you don't have to follow the crowd or group-think (pun
>> intended) to succeed. I suspect some other riders in Leah's group would
>> very much enjoy a Rivendell and Leah's courage to show up with such a
>> different bike and perform well gives them confidence to try it.
>> Doug
>>
>> On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 9:00:27 PM UTC-4 amill...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I like club rides. Hanging with the A group is fun. Even getting dropped
>>> by the A group is fun. As long as you come back next week.
>>>
>>> My first Wednesday night ride I saw a guy on a white powder coated,
>>> fixed gear Jeunet. I thought that was the coolest.
>>>
>>> The next week I left my cannondale at home and rode my fixed RB-2. I got
>>> dropped. I rode it again the next week. I got dropped again. I rode it the
>>> next week and hung with them. It was awesome. Having a community is
>>> important.
>>>
>>> I think everyone should ride whatever they want. Riding should be fun
>>> and competition should be fun. Nothing wrong with it.
>>>
>>> As a side story, my petty officer used to call us Annie Oakley if we sat
>>> sideways at our watch console in the Navy. I’m wondering if Leah has some
>>> magical 90° crank that allows her to sit sideways (and if she’s a crack
>>> shot.)
>>>
>>> Comfort can be described in different ways. On my fillet brazed plus
>>> bike with Bosco bars and a brooks, I feel quite comfortable cruising with
>>> my kid in the Mac-ride. I do not feel comfortable trying to go fast.
>>>
>>> On my roadie Protovelo with drop bars, I feel quite comfortable going
>>> fast. I do not feel as comfortable with the kid on it.
>>>
>>> I want both of these bikes. I’m happy I have both of them. I don’t want
>>> cruiser bars on the proto or drop bars on the cruiser.
>>>
>>> I’m glad this list can support both. I’m glad Riv can support both.
>>> Rivendell is a part of the bicycle industry, and just like the industry
>>> they have to make new things and sell new ideas to stay afloat. In the 90s
>>> that was 28s and lugs and brooks. Now it’s long chainstays and Bosco bars.
>>> I’m glad they’ve done both.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Aaron in El Paso
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 28, 2022, at 18:42, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Oh, George, I hope your question to me was sincere and not “crotchety”
>>> because I would love to answer you.
>>>
>>> “What’s the point?”
>>>
>>> Inclusion. Encouragement: If I can do it, you can too. I cannot be the
>>> only one who rides a Rivendell and wants to be part of a local bike
>>> community but feels unwelcome. I hope someone on this list decides to try
>>> out their local club after reading about the Racing Platypus. That is the
>>> whole point of my club ride thread. Sprinkled with some amusement. And, I
>>> think it’s healthy for the local club to have a Rivendell in it. I’m happy
>>> to spread Grant’s influence; it’s a healthy way to ride a bike.
>>>
>>> I moved across the country and I wanted bike friends. I didn’t know how
>>> I would be received at a club ride, was uncertain I could succeed in one.
>>> What if I was unskilled? Too slow? Not accepted? My Platypus is
>>> supremely comfortable, gorgeous, and just right for me. If I can’t ride my
>>> Platypus in a club ride, I don’t want to be in the club. As it turns out,
>>> you *can* ride your Rivendell in a club (Marc has done it for years) and
>>> you are not automatically slow and unwelcome just because you do. All but
>>> the fastest riders are good to me (the 18+ mph guys ignore me).  I ride
>>> with nice people on carbon bikes and we really enjoy each other. And now
>>> several of them have expressed interest in getting their own Rivendells.
>>>
>>> “But does that make your upright bars and long wheelbase superior to
>>> theirs?”
>>>
>>> Maybe. Depends on what you value. If I can do the same job on a bike
>>> that allows me to wear whatever clothes I want, look at the scenery and
>>> keep pace with the rest, that’s superior by my definition, and that’s why
>>> I’m riding a Platypus and not a Trek.
>>>
>>> I’m sure the roadie would think their bike superior 

Re: [RBW] High bars at a club ride

[Joe Bernard]

Leah's bike is better and prettier and her position is superior and that's 
just the facts. In my opinion. Which is the correct one. 

Joe "just sayin, and I'm right" Bernard 

On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 6:37:59 PM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:

> Leah's bicycle is superior to the roadies bicycles. That is an opinion but 
> happens to be correct.  Thank you Marc for this thread as it highlights the 
> fact that you don't have to follow the crowd or group-think (pun intended) 
> to succeed. I suspect some other riders in Leah's group would very much 
> enjoy a Rivendell and Leah's courage to show up with such a different bike 
> and perform well gives them confidence to try it. 
> Doug
>
> On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 9:00:27 PM UTC-4 amill...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I like club rides. Hanging with the A group is fun. Even getting dropped 
>> by the A group is fun. As long as you come back next week.
>>
>> My first Wednesday night ride I saw a guy on a white powder coated, fixed 
>> gear Jeunet. I thought that was the coolest. 
>>
>> The next week I left my cannondale at home and rode my fixed RB-2. I got 
>> dropped. I rode it again the next week. I got dropped again. I rode it the 
>> next week and hung with them. It was awesome. Having a community is 
>> important. 
>>
>> I think everyone should ride whatever they want. Riding should be fun and 
>> competition should be fun. Nothing wrong with it. 
>>
>> As a side story, my petty officer used to call us Annie Oakley if we sat 
>> sideways at our watch console in the Navy. I’m wondering if Leah has some 
>> magical 90° crank that allows her to sit sideways (and if she’s a crack 
>> shot.)
>>
>> Comfort can be described in different ways. On my fillet brazed plus bike 
>> with Bosco bars and a brooks, I feel quite comfortable cruising with my kid 
>> in the Mac-ride. I do not feel comfortable trying to go fast.
>>
>> On my roadie Protovelo with drop bars, I feel quite comfortable going 
>> fast. I do not feel as comfortable with the kid on it.
>>
>> I want both of these bikes. I’m happy I have both of them. I don’t want 
>> cruiser bars on the proto or drop bars on the cruiser. 
>>
>> I’m glad this list can support both. I’m glad Riv can support both. 
>> Rivendell is a part of the bicycle industry, and just like the industry 
>> they have to make new things and sell new ideas to stay afloat. In the 90s 
>> that was 28s and lugs and brooks. Now it’s long chainstays and Bosco bars. 
>> I’m glad they’ve done both. 
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Aaron in El Paso 
>>
>>
>> On Jul 28, 2022, at 18:42, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> 
>> Oh, George, I hope your question to me was sincere and not “crotchety” 
>> because I would love to answer you.
>>
>> “What’s the point?”
>>
>> Inclusion. Encouragement: If I can do it, you can too. I cannot be the 
>> only one who rides a Rivendell and wants to be part of a local bike 
>> community but feels unwelcome. I hope someone on this list decides to try 
>> out their local club after reading about the Racing Platypus. That is the 
>> whole point of my club ride thread. Sprinkled with some amusement. And, I 
>> think it’s healthy for the local club to have a Rivendell in it. I’m happy 
>> to spread Grant’s influence; it’s a healthy way to ride a bike. 
>>
>> I moved across the country and I wanted bike friends. I didn’t know how I 
>> would be received at a club ride, was uncertain I could succeed in one. 
>> What if I was unskilled? Too slow? Not accepted? My Platypus is 
>> supremely comfortable, gorgeous, and just right for me. If I can’t ride my 
>> Platypus in a club ride, I don’t want to be in the club. As it turns out, 
>> you *can* ride your Rivendell in a club (Marc has done it for years) and 
>> you are not automatically slow and unwelcome just because you do. All but 
>> the fastest riders are good to me (the 18+ mph guys ignore me).  I ride 
>> with nice people on carbon bikes and we really enjoy each other. And now 
>> several of them have expressed interest in getting their own Rivendells. 
>>
>> “But does that make your upright bars and long wheelbase superior to 
>> theirs?” 
>>
>> Maybe. Depends on what you value. If I can do the same job on a bike that 
>> allows me to wear whatever clothes I want, look at the scenery and keep 
>> pace with the rest, that’s superior by my definition, and that’s why I’m 
>> riding a Platypus and not a Trek.
>>
>> I’m sure the roadie would think their bike superior to mine. That’s ok 
>> with me. And tomorrow I’ll be riding with them and we’ll have a great time. 
>> But I’ll be more comfortable and riding a prettier bike.
>>
>> Leah
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jul 28, 2022, at 7:08 PM, George Schick  wrote:
>>
>> "But to your point, who here has ridden both types of bikes and can 
>> honestly say which is faster? Maybe it *is* the drop-bar, short wheel based 
>> bike, but I’ve never ridden one, so I can’t say..."  Well I, for one, have 
>> and continue to ride both types of bikes and have no 

Re: [RBW] Wild Clem Photos

[Ray Varella]

I need an orange bike. 

Ray

On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 6:29:03 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Ok I didn't even know orange and pink was a thing but now I need an orange 
> bike with pink grips and pedals. It's so rad!  李 
>
> On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 2:53:07 PM UTC-7 Mackenzy Albright wrote:
>
>> [image: clementine.jpg]
>>
>> I recently acquired this 59 Clementine+boscomoose on a trade. I pulled 
>> parts off my 64 Clem Jr to take take it for a spin. I was keen to check out 
>> the differences in ride. The color coordination is a bit hodge-podged - but 
>> I kind of like it. 
>>
>> On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 1:39:43 PM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>>
>>> That Clem H looks great with the Crazy Bars and yes, purple tape would 
>>> be awesome on those.
>>> Doug
>>>
>>> On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 8:07:56 AM UTC-4 ezre...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Sorry the pic is at a jaunty angle. It does show off her wild 
 attributes though. I feel like she needs some of that purple bar tape!

 On Sunday, July 24, 2022 at 5:21:50 PM UTC-4 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Lovely.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 24, 2022, at 3:09 PM, Matt Maceda  wrote:
>
> Clem in the morning light after a night on the mountain;
>
>
>
> On Saturday, July 23, 2022 at 7:43:01 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Loaded & unloaded..,
>> [image: image1.jpeg]
>>
>> [image: image0.jpeg]
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jul 23, 2022, at 11:08 AM, Doug H.  wrote:
>>
>> I was chatting with Leah (Bicycle Belle Ding Ding) earlier and she 
>> suggested starting a Wild Clem thread so folks can show off their Clems. 
>> She said my Clem is the "wildest" but I doubt that! Here is mine with 
>> some 
>> color and stickers. Wild Clem Photos 
>> 
>>
>>
>> Share your Clem photos! 
>>
>> Doug
>> Athens, Ga
>>
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Re: [RBW] High bars at a club ride

[Doug H.]

Leah's bicycle is superior to the roadies bicycles. That is an opinion but 
happens to be correct.  Thank you Marc for this thread as it highlights the 
fact that you don't have to follow the crowd or group-think (pun intended) 
to succeed. I suspect some other riders in Leah's group would very much 
enjoy a Rivendell and Leah's courage to show up with such a different bike 
and perform well gives them confidence to try it. 
Doug

On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 9:00:27 PM UTC-4 amill...@gmail.com wrote:

> I like club rides. Hanging with the A group is fun. Even getting dropped 
> by the A group is fun. As long as you come back next week.
>
> My first Wednesday night ride I saw a guy on a white powder coated, fixed 
> gear Jeunet. I thought that was the coolest. 
>
> The next week I left my cannondale at home and rode my fixed RB-2. I got 
> dropped. I rode it again the next week. I got dropped again. I rode it the 
> next week and hung with them. It was awesome. Having a community is 
> important. 
>
> I think everyone should ride whatever they want. Riding should be fun and 
> competition should be fun. Nothing wrong with it. 
>
> As a side story, my petty officer used to call us Annie Oakley if we sat 
> sideways at our watch console in the Navy. I’m wondering if Leah has some 
> magical 90° crank that allows her to sit sideways (and if she’s a crack 
> shot.)
>
> Comfort can be described in different ways. On my fillet brazed plus bike 
> with Bosco bars and a brooks, I feel quite comfortable cruising with my kid 
> in the Mac-ride. I do not feel comfortable trying to go fast.
>
> On my roadie Protovelo with drop bars, I feel quite comfortable going 
> fast. I do not feel as comfortable with the kid on it.
>
> I want both of these bikes. I’m happy I have both of them. I don’t want 
> cruiser bars on the proto or drop bars on the cruiser. 
>
> I’m glad this list can support both. I’m glad Riv can support both. 
> Rivendell is a part of the bicycle industry, and just like the industry 
> they have to make new things and sell new ideas to stay afloat. In the 90s 
> that was 28s and lugs and brooks. Now it’s long chainstays and Bosco bars. 
> I’m glad they’ve done both. 
>
> Best,
>
> Aaron in El Paso 
>
>
> On Jul 28, 2022, at 18:42, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> Oh, George, I hope your question to me was sincere and not “crotchety” 
> because I would love to answer you.
>
> “What’s the point?”
>
> Inclusion. Encouragement: If I can do it, you can too. I cannot be the 
> only one who rides a Rivendell and wants to be part of a local bike 
> community but feels unwelcome. I hope someone on this list decides to try 
> out their local club after reading about the Racing Platypus. That is the 
> whole point of my club ride thread. Sprinkled with some amusement. And, I 
> think it’s healthy for the local club to have a Rivendell in it. I’m happy 
> to spread Grant’s influence; it’s a healthy way to ride a bike. 
>
> I moved across the country and I wanted bike friends. I didn’t know how I 
> would be received at a club ride, was uncertain I could succeed in one. 
> What if I was unskilled? Too slow? Not accepted? My Platypus is supremely 
> comfortable, gorgeous, and just right for me. If I can’t ride my Platypus 
> in a club ride, I don’t want to be in the club. As it turns out, you *can* 
> ride your Rivendell in a club (Marc has done it for years) and you are not 
> automatically slow and unwelcome just because you do. All but the fastest 
> riders are good to me (the 18+ mph guys ignore me).  I ride with nice 
> people on carbon bikes and we really enjoy each other. And now several of 
> them have expressed interest in getting their own Rivendells. 
>
> “But does that make your upright bars and long wheelbase superior to 
> theirs?” 
>
> Maybe. Depends on what you value. If I can do the same job on a bike that 
> allows me to wear whatever clothes I want, look at the scenery and keep 
> pace with the rest, that’s superior by my definition, and that’s why I’m 
> riding a Platypus and not a Trek.
>
> I’m sure the roadie would think their bike superior to mine. That’s ok 
> with me. And tomorrow I’ll be riding with them and we’ll have a great time. 
> But I’ll be more comfortable and riding a prettier bike.
>
> Leah
>
>
>
> On Jul 28, 2022, at 7:08 PM, George Schick  wrote:
>
> "But to your point, who here has ridden both types of bikes and can 
> honestly say which is faster? Maybe it *is* the drop-bar, short wheel based 
> bike, but I’ve never ridden one, so I can’t say..."  Well I, for one, have 
> and continue to ride both types of bikes and have no reason to negative 
> either one; they both have their legitimate purposes.  But if you want to 
> say that one is either just as good or superior to the other then I have to 
> stop and shake my head a bit.  Again, as I replied to Bernard, what's the 
> point?  If you can ride with the "roadies" as you call them and keep up 
> with them, fine.  But 

Re: [RBW] High bars at a club ride

[Ray Varella]

Here’s my one and only experience encountering a group of local club 
riders. 
Years ago (20) I was out on a Saturday morning ride on my Rivendell 
Allrounder, upright bars. 
I pulled up behind a group of road bike riders at a stoplight. 
I said “ I thought I was the only one in this city that rode a bike who 
hadn’t lost his license because of a DUI. 
One of the guys said “anyone riding a Rivendell is welcome with us anytime. 

Ride what you like, any day on any bike is time well spent. 

Ray “several rides on the Toei this week, plus a super smooth Clem ride”

On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 6:00:27 PM UTC-7 amill...@gmail.com wrote:

> I like club rides. Hanging with the A group is fun. Even getting dropped 
> by the A group is fun. As long as you come back next week.
>
> My first Wednesday night ride I saw a guy on a white powder coated, fixed 
> gear Jeunet. I thought that was the coolest. 
>
> The next week I left my cannondale at home and rode my fixed RB-2. I got 
> dropped. I rode it again the next week. I got dropped again. I rode it the 
> next week and hung with them. It was awesome. Having a community is 
> important. 
>
> I think everyone should ride whatever they want. Riding should be fun and 
> competition should be fun. Nothing wrong with it. 
>
> As a side story, my petty officer used to call us Annie Oakley if we sat 
> sideways at our watch console in the Navy. I’m wondering if Leah has some 
> magical 90° crank that allows her to sit sideways (and if she’s a crack 
> shot.)
>
> Comfort can be described in different ways. On my fillet brazed plus bike 
> with Bosco bars and a brooks, I feel quite comfortable cruising with my kid 
> in the Mac-ride. I do not feel comfortable trying to go fast.
>
> On my roadie Protovelo with drop bars, I feel quite comfortable going 
> fast. I do not feel as comfortable with the kid on it.
>
> I want both of these bikes. I’m happy I have both of them. I don’t want 
> cruiser bars on the proto or drop bars on the cruiser. 
>
> I’m glad this list can support both. I’m glad Riv can support both. 
> Rivendell is a part of the bicycle industry, and just like the industry 
> they have to make new things and sell new ideas to stay afloat. In the 90s 
> that was 28s and lugs and brooks. Now it’s long chainstays and Bosco bars. 
> I’m glad they’ve done both. 
>
> Best,
>
> Aaron in El Paso 
>
>
> On Jul 28, 2022, at 18:42, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> Oh, George, I hope your question to me was sincere and not “crotchety” 
> because I would love to answer you.
>
> “What’s the point?”
>
> Inclusion. Encouragement: If I can do it, you can too. I cannot be the 
> only one who rides a Rivendell and wants to be part of a local bike 
> community but feels unwelcome. I hope someone on this list decides to try 
> out their local club after reading about the Racing Platypus. That is the 
> whole point of my club ride thread. Sprinkled with some amusement. And, I 
> think it’s healthy for the local club to have a Rivendell in it. I’m happy 
> to spread Grant’s influence; it’s a healthy way to ride a bike. 
>
> I moved across the country and I wanted bike friends. I didn’t know how I 
> would be received at a club ride, was uncertain I could succeed in one. 
> What if I was unskilled? Too slow? Not accepted? My Platypus is supremely 
> comfortable, gorgeous, and just right for me. If I can’t ride my Platypus 
> in a club ride, I don’t want to be in the club. As it turns out, you *can* 
> ride your Rivendell in a club (Marc has done it for years) and you are not 
> automatically slow and unwelcome just because you do. All but the fastest 
> riders are good to me (the 18+ mph guys ignore me).  I ride with nice 
> people on carbon bikes and we really enjoy each other. And now several of 
> them have expressed interest in getting their own Rivendells. 
>
> “But does that make your upright bars and long wheelbase superior to 
> theirs?” 
>
> Maybe. Depends on what you value. If I can do the same job on a bike that 
> allows me to wear whatever clothes I want, look at the scenery and keep 
> pace with the rest, that’s superior by my definition, and that’s why I’m 
> riding a Platypus and not a Trek.
>
> I’m sure the roadie would think their bike superior to mine. That’s ok 
> with me. And tomorrow I’ll be riding with them and we’ll have a great time. 
> But I’ll be more comfortable and riding a prettier bike.
>
> Leah
>
>
>
> On Jul 28, 2022, at 7:08 PM, George Schick  wrote:
>
> "But to your point, who here has ridden both types of bikes and can 
> honestly say which is faster? Maybe it *is* the drop-bar, short wheel based 
> bike, but I’ve never ridden one, so I can’t say..."  Well I, for one, have 
> and continue to ride both types of bikes and have no reason to negative 
> either one; they both have their legitimate purposes.  But if you want to 
> say that one is either just as good or superior to the other then I have to 
> stop and shake my head a bit.  Again, as 

Re: [RBW] Wild Clem Photos

[Joe Bernard]

Ok I didn't even know orange and pink was a thing but now I need an orange 
bike with pink grips and pedals. It's so rad!  李 

On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 2:53:07 PM UTC-7 Mackenzy Albright wrote:

> [image: clementine.jpg]
>
> I recently acquired this 59 Clementine+boscomoose on a trade. I pulled 
> parts off my 64 Clem Jr to take take it for a spin. I was keen to check out 
> the differences in ride. The color coordination is a bit hodge-podged - but 
> I kind of like it. 
>
> On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 1:39:43 PM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> That Clem H looks great with the Crazy Bars and yes, purple tape would be 
>> awesome on those.
>> Doug
>>
>> On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 8:07:56 AM UTC-4 ezre...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Sorry the pic is at a jaunty angle. It does show off her wild attributes 
>>> though. I feel like she needs some of that purple bar tape!
>>>
>>> On Sunday, July 24, 2022 at 5:21:50 PM UTC-4 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Lovely.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Jul 24, 2022, at 3:09 PM, Matt Maceda  wrote:

 Clem in the morning light after a night on the mountain;



 On Saturday, July 23, 2022 at 7:43:01 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Loaded & unloaded..,
> [image: image1.jpeg]
>
> [image: image0.jpeg]
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 23, 2022, at 11:08 AM, Doug H.  wrote:
>
> I was chatting with Leah (Bicycle Belle Ding Ding) earlier and she 
> suggested starting a Wild Clem thread so folks can show off their Clems. 
> She said my Clem is the "wildest" but I doubt that! Here is mine with 
> some 
> color and stickers. Wild Clem Photos 
> 
>
>
> Share your Clem photos! 
>
> Doug
> Athens, Ga
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Re: [RBW] Wild Clem Photos

[Doug H.]

Mackenzy,
I love the bike! The way the tape is wrapped on the bars is so cool. The 
colors of the grips, pedals, and chainring really pop. So, have you ridden 
enough yet to get a feel for the difference from the 64 cm Clem?
Doug

On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 5:53:07 PM UTC-4 Mackenzy Albright wrote:

> [image: clementine.jpg]
>
> I recently acquired this 59 Clementine+boscomoose on a trade. I pulled 
> parts off my 64 Clem Jr to take take it for a spin. I was keen to check out 
> the differences in ride. The color coordination is a bit hodge-podged - but 
> I kind of like it. 
>
> On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 1:39:43 PM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> That Clem H looks great with the Crazy Bars and yes, purple tape would be 
>> awesome on those.
>> Doug
>>
>> On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 8:07:56 AM UTC-4 ezre...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Sorry the pic is at a jaunty angle. It does show off her wild attributes 
>>> though. I feel like she needs some of that purple bar tape!
>>>
>>> On Sunday, July 24, 2022 at 5:21:50 PM UTC-4 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Lovely.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Jul 24, 2022, at 3:09 PM, Matt Maceda  wrote:

 Clem in the morning light after a night on the mountain;



 On Saturday, July 23, 2022 at 7:43:01 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Loaded & unloaded..,
> [image: image1.jpeg]
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> [image: image0.jpeg]
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> On Jul 23, 2022, at 11:08 AM, Doug H.  wrote:
>
> I was chatting with Leah (Bicycle Belle Ding Ding) earlier and she 
> suggested starting a Wild Clem thread so folks can show off their Clems. 
> She said my Clem is the "wildest" but I doubt that! Here is mine with 
> some 
> color and stickers. Wild Clem Photos 
> 
>
>
> Share your Clem photos! 
>
> Doug
> Athens, Ga
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Re: [RBW] High bars at a club ride

[amillhench]

I like club rides. Hanging with the A group is fun. Even getting dropped by the 
A group is fun. As long as you come back next week.

My first Wednesday night ride I saw a guy on a white powder coated, fixed gear 
Jeunet. I thought that was the coolest. 

The next week I left my cannondale at home and rode my fixed RB-2. I got 
dropped. I rode it again the next week. I got dropped again. I rode it the next 
week and hung with them. It was awesome. Having a community is important. 

I think everyone should ride whatever they want. Riding should be fun and 
competition should be fun. Nothing wrong with it. 

As a side story, my petty officer used to call us Annie Oakley if we sat 
sideways at our watch console in the Navy. I’m wondering if Leah has some 
magical 90° crank that allows her to sit sideways (and if she’s a crack shot.)

Comfort can be described in different ways. On my fillet brazed plus bike with 
Bosco bars and a brooks, I feel quite comfortable cruising with my kid in the 
Mac-ride. I do not feel comfortable trying to go fast.

On my roadie Protovelo with drop bars, I feel quite comfortable going fast. I 
do not feel as comfortable with the kid on it.

I want both of these bikes. I’m happy I have both of them. I don’t want cruiser 
bars on the proto or drop bars on the cruiser. 

I’m glad this list can support both. I’m glad Riv can support both. Rivendell 
is a part of the bicycle industry, and just like the industry they have to make 
new things and sell new ideas to stay afloat. In the 90s that was 28s and lugs 
and brooks. Now it’s long chainstays and Bosco bars. I’m glad they’ve done 
both. 

Best,

Aaron in El Paso 


On Jul 28, 2022, at 18:42, Leah Peterson  wrote:



Oh, George, I hope your question to me was sincere and not “crotchety” because 
I would love to answer you.

“What’s the point?”

Inclusion. Encouragement: If I can do it, you can too. I cannot be the only one 
who rides a Rivendell and wants to be part of a local bike community but feels 
unwelcome. I hope someone on this list decides to try out their local club 
after reading about the Racing Platypus. That is the whole point of my club 
ride thread. Sprinkled with some amusement. And, I think it’s healthy for the 
local club to have a Rivendell in it. I’m happy to spread Grant’s influence; 
it’s a healthy way to ride a bike. 

I moved across the country and I wanted bike friends. I didn’t know how I would 
be received at a club ride, was uncertain I could succeed in one. What if I was 
unskilled? Too slow? Not accepted? My Platypus is supremely comfortable, 
gorgeous, and just right for me. If I can’t ride my Platypus in a club ride, I 
don’t want to be in the club. As it turns out, you *can* ride your Rivendell in 
a club (Marc has done it for years) and you are not automatically slow and 
unwelcome just because you do. All but the fastest riders are good to me (the 
18+ mph guys ignore me).  I ride with nice people on carbon bikes and we really 
enjoy each other. And now several of them have expressed interest in getting 
their own Rivendells. 

“But does that make your upright bars and long wheelbase superior to theirs?” 

Maybe. Depends on what you value. If I can do the same job on a bike that 
allows me to wear whatever clothes I want, look at the scenery and keep pace 
with the rest, that’s superior by my definition, and that’s why I’m riding a 
Platypus and not a Trek.

I’m sure the roadie would think their bike superior to mine. That’s ok with me. 
And tomorrow I’ll be riding with them and we’ll have a great time. But I’ll be 
more comfortable and riding a prettier bike.

Leah



> On Jul 28, 2022, at 7:08 PM, George Schick  wrote:
> 
> "But to your point, who here has ridden both types of bikes and can 
> honestly say which is faster? Maybe it *is* the drop-bar, short wheel based 
> bike, but I’ve never ridden one, so I can’t say..."  Well I, for one, have 
> and continue to ride both types of bikes and have no reason to negative 
> either one; they both have their legitimate purposes.  But if you want to say 
> that one is either just as good or superior to the other then I have to stop 
> and shake my head a bit.  Again, as I replied to Bernard, what's the point?  
> If you can ride with the "roadies" as you call them and keep up with them, 
> fine.  But does that make your upright bars and long wheelbase superior to 
> theirs?  I hardly think so - it's all a matter or riding position and what it 
> does (or is doing) to your anatomy.  It could make no difference or it could 
> be harmful in the long run.  After all, even Grant has said that certain 
> bikes aren't intended to be use in club rides.  And you can, if you wish, 
> employ Grant's "maybe so, maybe not" rhetoric about one versus the other, but 
> it makes one wonder why he bothered to include that "Raise Dat Stem" (which 
> was aimed at both people who ride at too high a position and what it does to 
> various leg muscles versus those who 

Re: [RBW] High bars at a club ride

[Leah Peterson]

Oh, George, I hope your question to me was sincere and not “crotchety” because 
I would love to answer you.

“What’s the point?”

Inclusion. Encouragement: If I can do it, you can too. I cannot be the only one 
who rides a Rivendell and wants to be part of a local bike community but feels 
unwelcome. I hope someone on this list decides to try out their local club 
after reading about the Racing Platypus. That is the whole point of my club 
ride thread. Sprinkled with some amusement. And, I think it’s healthy for the 
local club to have a Rivendell in it. I’m happy to spread Grant’s influence; 
it’s a healthy way to ride a bike. 

I moved across the country and I wanted bike friends. I didn’t know how I would 
be received at a club ride, was uncertain I could succeed in one. What if I was 
unskilled? Too slow? Not accepted? My Platypus is supremely comfortable, 
gorgeous, and just right for me. If I can’t ride my Platypus in a club ride, I 
don’t want to be in the club. As it turns out, you *can* ride your Rivendell in 
a club (Marc has done it for years) and you are not automatically slow and 
unwelcome just because you do. All but the fastest riders are good to me (the 
18+ mph guys ignore me).  I ride with nice people on carbon bikes and we really 
enjoy each other. And now several of them have expressed interest in getting 
their own Rivendells. 

“But does that make your upright bars and long wheelbase superior to theirs?” 

Maybe. Depends on what you value. If I can do the same job on a bike that 
allows me to wear whatever clothes I want, look at the scenery and keep pace 
with the rest, that’s superior by my definition, and that’s why I’m riding a 
Platypus and not a Trek.

I’m sure the roadie would think their bike superior to mine. That’s ok with me. 
And tomorrow I’ll be riding with them and we’ll have a great time. But I’ll be 
more comfortable and riding a prettier bike.

Leah



> On Jul 28, 2022, at 7:08 PM, George Schick  wrote:
> "But to your point, who here has ridden both types of bikes and can 
> honestly say which is faster? Maybe it *is* the drop-bar, short wheel based 
> bike, but I’ve never ridden one, so I can’t say..."  Well I, for one, have 
> and continue to ride both types of bikes and have no reason to negative 
> either one; they both have their legitimate purposes.  But if you want to say 
> that one is either just as good or superior to the other then I have to stop 
> and shake my head a bit.  Again, as I replied to Bernard, what's the point?  
> If you can ride with the "roadies" as you call them and keep up with them, 
> fine.  But does that make your upright bars and long wheelbase superior to 
> theirs?  I hardly think so - it's all a matter or riding position and what it 
> does (or is doing) to your anatomy.  It could make no difference or it could 
> be harmful in the long run.  After all, even Grant has said that certain 
> bikes aren't intended to be use in club rides.  And you can, if you wish, 
> employ Grant's "maybe so, maybe not" rhetoric about one versus the other, but 
> it makes one wonder why he bothered to include that "Raise Dat Stem" (which 
> was aimed at both people who ride at too high a position and what it does to 
> various leg muscles versus those who ride at way too low a position (think 
> excessively low drop bars)) in one of his Readers.  Have you read it??  And 
> to Joe's late arriving comment, yeah you have proved you can do it, but once 
> again, what's the point?  I can see that I'm creeping closer to the crotchety 
> Steve Placinar commentary level so I'll cease and desist.  Meanwhile, ya'll 
> have a great time on your rides and enjoy the company of those who differ a 
> bit.
> 
> 
> 
> On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 5:27:58 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:
>> George,
>> Wait, is this Annie Oakley stuff directed at me? If so, I find your comments 
>> bordering on mean, but I’ll try to remain objective here. The point of my 
>> club ride posts is meant to be that one does not have to conform to the 
>> preconceived notions embraced in bike clubs everywhere: that if you don’t 
>> look the part and ride a certain bike, you can’t keep pace. 
>> 
>> For a rider like me, joining a club ride can be uphill battle, right from 
>> the time you roll into the parking lot. Despite the “experts” saying you 
>> can’t hang with a group and ride a heavy bike, a bike with swept back bars, 
>> flat pedals, blah blah blah, I’m doing it and I’m not slowing us down. I’m 
>> not saying drop bars are bad and should be tossed out. I AM saying you can 
>> ride Billie Bars and still be fast. The point is not to negate drop bars and 
>> carbon bikes; the point is to show that there is room for variety in club 
>> rides. It might even be healthy. The club riding crowd can be awfully 
>> dogmatic, and even condescending (though most of my fellow riders are kind 
>> souls). I would hope my exploits might be a bit refreshing.
>> 
>> But to your point, 

[RBW] FS: Nitto Pearl 9cm 26mm

[Ben Adrian]

Nitto Pearl 9 cm stem. 26mm clamp.
Missing the clamp bolt.
There a mark on it by the stem bolt. Other small wear marks… it’s had a 
life but there more left.

See photos. Happy to answer questions.
Bet place to find pictures is here:
https://forums.thepaceline.net/showthread.php?t=285247

$25 shipped as is.

Thanks!
Ben in L.A.

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[RBW] FS - NOS Shimano M732 7-speed shifter set

['Bikie#4646' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Folks, Since this has equal relevance to the i-BOB list, I plan to post it 
there too. (Forgive that please.) Never used 7-speed thumb shifter set with 
cables, housing, bottom bracket cable guide, plus related cable ends, etc. 
All in the original packaging, albeit a little yellowed with age. 5-6-7 
compatible with a "push" 8th click.
In the early 1990's when Shimano introduced the "new" trigger shifters, I 
stashed these away but eventually landed on 9-speed SRAM Twist Grips which 
I use for mountain biking today. 
It's a bit hard for me to justify continuing to hold on to these. I do have 
one 7-speed bike, but it's a Bontrager CX converted to 1x7 years ago with 
drops and a bar end shifter. When I went to the Internet to see what folks 
were asking for these end-of-the-line Shimano thumbies, what I found was 
used and scratched shifters (only) going for $54 to $150 on eBay. Mine 
still have the original plastic covering on the faceplates.
Bike Recyclery had a set of NOS thumb shifters (only) for $175.
I'd love to avoid the craziness of the auction house but hesitate to 
embarrass myself by asking too much from this group. I'm going to ask $175, 
plus shipping for the set. 
My guess is that the cost of shipping could be cut considerably by shipping 
all in a Flat Rate box without the oversized original packaging and willing 
to investigate that.
Photos 
here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/albums/72177720300890751
PayPal preferred, PM me with any questions please.
Paul Germain
Midlothian, Va.

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Re: [RBW] High bars at a club ride

[Joe Bernard]

"And to Joe's late arriving comment, yeah you have proved you can do it, 
but once again, what's the point?"

For the record my comment was exactly on time. 

On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 3:57:34 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Leah, 
> Your exploits are certainly refreshing to me. Those dropbar/carbon/Lycra 
> group rides always gave me a closed "you can't ride with us, stay away" 
> vibe; I'm still not quite motivated to DO it on my Billie Bar long 
> wheelbase mixte-ish Riv - Joe Bernard, Slow Lone Wolf - but you've shown me 
> it's possible! I think this a good thing. 
>
> On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 3:27:58 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> George,
>> Wait, is this Annie Oakley stuff directed at me? If so, I find your 
>> comments bordering on mean, but I’ll try to remain objective here. The 
>> point of my club ride posts is meant to be that one does not have to 
>> conform to the preconceived notions embraced in bike clubs everywhere: that 
>> if you don’t look the part and ride a certain bike, you can’t keep pace. 
>>
>> For a rider like me, joining a club ride can be uphill battle, right from 
>> the time you roll into the parking lot. Despite the “experts” saying you 
>> can’t hang with a group and ride a heavy bike, a bike with swept back bars, 
>> flat pedals, blah blah blah, I’m doing it and I’m not slowing us down. I’m 
>> not saying drop bars are bad and should be tossed out. I AM saying you can 
>> ride Billie Bars and still be fast. The point is not to negate drop bars 
>> and carbon bikes; the point is to show that there is room for variety in 
>> club rides. It might even be healthy. The club riding crowd can be awfully 
>> dogmatic, and even condescending (though most of my fellow riders are kind 
>> souls). I would hope my exploits might be a bit refreshing.
>>
>> But to your point, who here has ridden both types of bikes and can 
>> honestly say which is faster? Maybe it *is* the drop-bar, short wheelbased 
>> bike, but I’ve never ridden one, so I can’t say.
>>
>> On Jul 28, 2022, at 6:06 PM, George Schick  wrote:
>>
>> Maybe I was too unclear in my previous post because it was getting too 
>> lengthy, but what I was trying to underscore is that one cannot simply 
>> elevate a rider with upright bars to the same level as one riding with road 
>> bike drop bars without taking into consideration the level at which the 
>> road bike bars are set, the stem length, etc.  I'll wager good money (not 
>> that any money is worth much these days) that a well positioned rider with 
>> drop bars would blow the socks off any rider on a long wheel-based bike 
>> with upright bars in an out and out competition.  What I seem to see in the 
>> club ride scenarios posted here lately is a kind of Annie Oakley "Anything 
>> You Can Do (I Can Do Better)" with upright bars and that's just a one-off 
>> comparison.  Did you read orthopedic physical therapist and exercise 
>> physiologist Bob Gordon's article?  What's the point of all this, anyway?
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 4:21:11 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> I agree that position on the bike matters, but I don't understand how 
>>> the young lady relates to the rest of your post. We're talking about bar 
>>> height and you mentioned her saddle was too low and she seemed nervous 
>>> (which she explained) and shifted a lot. 
>>> On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 1:51:54 PM UTC-7 George Schick wrote:
>>>
 I clearly recall riding in an organized 100K group ride that took place 
 in Central Indiana in 1994 where a young lady and I had somewhat separated 
 from some of the other clusters of bikes and she asked if I wanted to join 
 her the rest of the way.  She said she was a triathlete. I agreed and rode 
 along side for while on my "ancient" '73 Fuji 5-speed while observing her 
 riding style.  Although obviously a very strong rider on a very up-to-date 
 bike, she seemed very nervous and kind of jittery on her bike and, by 
 virtue of the all too accessible brifters, was constantly jumping from one 
 gear to another on even the mildest elevations.  She said that she had 
 crashed on a few occasions, which made her somewhat apprehensive.  She 
 couldn't even remove one hand from the bars to drink from a water bottle 
 and, though she had flexible tube running from a very tiny bladder-like 
 water vessel mounted at the rear of her bike, I never saw her take one 
 sip.  She announced that she had become dehydrated during one triathlon 
 and 
 I could easily see why.

 Although I never said anything, I also noticed that, given her long 
 legs, she rode with the saddle in way too low a position.  So, at one 
 point 
 I asked her if she had ever drafted behind another cyclist and she said 
 no, 
 so I offered to take the lead and instructed her about where to place her 
 bike behind mine in order to get the best wind break.  After a 

Re: [RBW] High bars at a club ride

[Joe Bernard]

"

On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 3:57:34 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Leah, 
> Your exploits are certainly refreshing to me. Those dropbar/carbon/Lycra 
> group rides always gave me a closed "you can't ride with us, stay away" 
> vibe; I'm still not quite motivated to DO it on my Billie Bar long 
> wheelbase mixte-ish Riv - Joe Bernard, Slow Lone Wolf - but you've shown me 
> it's possible! I think this a good thing. 
>
> On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 3:27:58 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> George,
>> Wait, is this Annie Oakley stuff directed at me? If so, I find your 
>> comments bordering on mean, but I’ll try to remain objective here. The 
>> point of my club ride posts is meant to be that one does not have to 
>> conform to the preconceived notions embraced in bike clubs everywhere: that 
>> if you don’t look the part and ride a certain bike, you can’t keep pace. 
>>
>> For a rider like me, joining a club ride can be uphill battle, right from 
>> the time you roll into the parking lot. Despite the “experts” saying you 
>> can’t hang with a group and ride a heavy bike, a bike with swept back bars, 
>> flat pedals, blah blah blah, I’m doing it and I’m not slowing us down. I’m 
>> not saying drop bars are bad and should be tossed out. I AM saying you can 
>> ride Billie Bars and still be fast. The point is not to negate drop bars 
>> and carbon bikes; the point is to show that there is room for variety in 
>> club rides. It might even be healthy. The club riding crowd can be awfully 
>> dogmatic, and even condescending (though most of my fellow riders are kind 
>> souls). I would hope my exploits might be a bit refreshing.
>>
>> But to your point, who here has ridden both types of bikes and can 
>> honestly say which is faster? Maybe it *is* the drop-bar, short wheelbased 
>> bike, but I’ve never ridden one, so I can’t say.
>>
>> On Jul 28, 2022, at 6:06 PM, George Schick  wrote:
>>
>> Maybe I was too unclear in my previous post because it was getting too 
>> lengthy, but what I was trying to underscore is that one cannot simply 
>> elevate a rider with upright bars to the same level as one riding with road 
>> bike drop bars without taking into consideration the level at which the 
>> road bike bars are set, the stem length, etc.  I'll wager good money (not 
>> that any money is worth much these days) that a well positioned rider with 
>> drop bars would blow the socks off any rider on a long wheel-based bike 
>> with upright bars in an out and out competition.  What I seem to see in the 
>> club ride scenarios posted here lately is a kind of Annie Oakley "Anything 
>> You Can Do (I Can Do Better)" with upright bars and that's just a one-off 
>> comparison.  Did you read orthopedic physical therapist and exercise 
>> physiologist Bob Gordon's article?  What's the point of all this, anyway?
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 4:21:11 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> I agree that position on the bike matters, but I don't understand how 
>>> the young lady relates to the rest of your post. We're talking about bar 
>>> height and you mentioned her saddle was too low and she seemed nervous 
>>> (which she explained) and shifted a lot. 
>>> On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 1:51:54 PM UTC-7 George Schick wrote:
>>>
 I clearly recall riding in an organized 100K group ride that took place 
 in Central Indiana in 1994 where a young lady and I had somewhat separated 
 from some of the other clusters of bikes and she asked if I wanted to join 
 her the rest of the way.  She said she was a triathlete. I agreed and rode 
 along side for while on my "ancient" '73 Fuji 5-speed while observing her 
 riding style.  Although obviously a very strong rider on a very up-to-date 
 bike, she seemed very nervous and kind of jittery on her bike and, by 
 virtue of the all too accessible brifters, was constantly jumping from one 
 gear to another on even the mildest elevations.  She said that she had 
 crashed on a few occasions, which made her somewhat apprehensive.  She 
 couldn't even remove one hand from the bars to drink from a water bottle 
 and, though she had flexible tube running from a very tiny bladder-like 
 water vessel mounted at the rear of her bike, I never saw her take one 
 sip.  She announced that she had become dehydrated during one triathlon 
 and 
 I could easily see why.

 Although I never said anything, I also noticed that, given her long 
 legs, she rode with the saddle in way too low a position.  So, at one 
 point 
 I asked her if she had ever drafted behind another cyclist and she said 
 no, 
 so I offered to take the lead and instructed her about where to place her 
 bike behind mine in order to get the best wind break.  After a while she 
 remarked, "Your peddling is SO smooth."  A little while later she asked, 
 "Do you ride rollers?  You ride perfectly straight!"  Well, I 

Re: [RBW] High bars at a club ride

[George Schick]

"But to your point, who here has ridden both types of bikes and can 
honestly say which is faster? Maybe it *is* the drop-bar, short wheel based 
bike, but I’ve never ridden one, so I can’t say..."  Well I, for one, have 
and continue to ride both types of bikes and have no reason to negative 
either one; they both have their legitimate purposes.  But if you want to 
say that one is either just as good or superior to the other then I have to 
stop and shake my head a bit.  Again, as I replied to Bernard, what's the 
point?  If you can ride with the "roadies" as you call them and keep up 
with them, fine.  But does that make your upright bars and long wheelbase 
superior to theirs?  I hardly think so - it's all a matter or riding 
position and what it does (or is doing) to your anatomy.  It could make no 
difference or it could be harmful in the long run.  After all, even Grant 
has said that certain bikes aren't intended to be use in club rides.  And 
you can, if you wish, employ Grant's "maybe so, maybe not" rhetoric about 
one versus the other, but it makes one wonder why he bothered to include 
that "Raise Dat Stem" (which was aimed at both people who ride at too high 
a position and what it does to various leg muscles versus those who ride at 
way too low a position (think excessively low drop bars)) in one of his 
Readers.  Have you read it??  And to Joe's late arriving comment, yeah you 
have proved you can do it, but once again, what's the point?  I can see 
that I'm creeping closer to the crotchety Steve Placinar commentary level 
so I'll cease and desist.  Meanwhile, ya'll have a great time on your rides 
and enjoy the company of those who differ a bit.



On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 5:27:58 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> George,
> Wait, is this Annie Oakley stuff directed at me? If so, I find your 
> comments bordering on mean, but I’ll try to remain objective here. The 
> point of my club ride posts is meant to be that one does not have to 
> conform to the preconceived notions embraced in bike clubs everywhere: that 
> if you don’t look the part and ride a certain bike, you can’t keep pace. 
>
> For a rider like me, joining a club ride can be uphill battle, right from 
> the time you roll into the parking lot. Despite the “experts” saying you 
> can’t hang with a group and ride a heavy bike, a bike with swept back bars, 
> flat pedals, blah blah blah, I’m doing it and I’m not slowing us down. I’m 
> not saying drop bars are bad and should be tossed out. I AM saying you can 
> ride Billie Bars and still be fast. The point is not to negate drop bars 
> and carbon bikes; the point is to show that there is room for variety in 
> club rides. It might even be healthy. The club riding crowd can be awfully 
> dogmatic, and even condescending (though most of my fellow riders are kind 
> souls). I would hope my exploits might be a bit refreshing.
>
> But to your point, who here has ridden both types of bikes and can 
> honestly say which is faster? Maybe it *is* the drop-bar, short wheelbased 
> bike, but I’ve never ridden one, so I can’t say.
>
> On Jul 28, 2022, at 6:06 PM, George Schick  wrote:
>
> Maybe I was too unclear in my previous post because it was getting too 
> lengthy, but what I was trying to underscore is that one cannot simply 
> elevate a rider with upright bars to the same level as one riding with road 
> bike drop bars without taking into consideration the level at which the 
> road bike bars are set, the stem length, etc.  I'll wager good money (not 
> that any money is worth much these days) that a well positioned rider with 
> drop bars would blow the socks off any rider on a long wheel-based bike 
> with upright bars in an out and out competition.  What I seem to see in the 
> club ride scenarios posted here lately is a kind of Annie Oakley "Anything 
> You Can Do (I Can Do Better)" with upright bars and that's just a one-off 
> comparison.  Did you read orthopedic physical therapist and exercise 
> physiologist Bob Gordon's article?  What's the point of all this, anyway?
>
>
> On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 4:21:11 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> I agree that position on the bike matters, but I don't understand how the 
>> young lady relates to the rest of your post. We're talking about bar height 
>> and you mentioned her saddle was too low and she seemed nervous (which she 
>> explained) and shifted a lot. 
>> On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 1:51:54 PM UTC-7 George Schick wrote:
>>
>>> I clearly recall riding in an organized 100K group ride that took place 
>>> in Central Indiana in 1994 where a young lady and I had somewhat separated 
>>> from some of the other clusters of bikes and she asked if I wanted to join 
>>> her the rest of the way.  She said she was a triathlete. I agreed and rode 
>>> along side for while on my "ancient" '73 Fuji 5-speed while observing her 
>>> riding style.  Although obviously a very strong rider on a very up-to-date 
>>> 

Re: [RBW] High bars at a club ride

[Joe Bernard]

Leah, 
Your exploits are certainly refreshing to me. Those dropbar/carbon/Lycra 
group rides always gave me a closed "you can't ride with us, stay away" 
vibe; I'm still not quite motivated to DO it on my Billie Bar long 
wheelbase mixte-ish Riv - Joe Bernard, Slow Lone Wolf - but you've shown me 
it's possible! I think this a good thing. 

On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 3:27:58 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> George,
> Wait, is this Annie Oakley stuff directed at me? If so, I find your 
> comments bordering on mean, but I’ll try to remain objective here. The 
> point of my club ride posts is meant to be that one does not have to 
> conform to the preconceived notions embraced in bike clubs everywhere: that 
> if you don’t look the part and ride a certain bike, you can’t keep pace. 
>
> For a rider like me, joining a club ride can be uphill battle, right from 
> the time you roll into the parking lot. Despite the “experts” saying you 
> can’t hang with a group and ride a heavy bike, a bike with swept back bars, 
> flat pedals, blah blah blah, I’m doing it and I’m not slowing us down. I’m 
> not saying drop bars are bad and should be tossed out. I AM saying you can 
> ride Billie Bars and still be fast. The point is not to negate drop bars 
> and carbon bikes; the point is to show that there is room for variety in 
> club rides. It might even be healthy. The club riding crowd can be awfully 
> dogmatic, and even condescending (though most of my fellow riders are kind 
> souls). I would hope my exploits might be a bit refreshing.
>
> But to your point, who here has ridden both types of bikes and can 
> honestly say which is faster? Maybe it *is* the drop-bar, short wheelbased 
> bike, but I’ve never ridden one, so I can’t say.
>
> On Jul 28, 2022, at 6:06 PM, George Schick  wrote:
>
> Maybe I was too unclear in my previous post because it was getting too 
> lengthy, but what I was trying to underscore is that one cannot simply 
> elevate a rider with upright bars to the same level as one riding with road 
> bike drop bars without taking into consideration the level at which the 
> road bike bars are set, the stem length, etc.  I'll wager good money (not 
> that any money is worth much these days) that a well positioned rider with 
> drop bars would blow the socks off any rider on a long wheel-based bike 
> with upright bars in an out and out competition.  What I seem to see in the 
> club ride scenarios posted here lately is a kind of Annie Oakley "Anything 
> You Can Do (I Can Do Better)" with upright bars and that's just a one-off 
> comparison.  Did you read orthopedic physical therapist and exercise 
> physiologist Bob Gordon's article?  What's the point of all this, anyway?
>
>
> On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 4:21:11 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> I agree that position on the bike matters, but I don't understand how the 
>> young lady relates to the rest of your post. We're talking about bar height 
>> and you mentioned her saddle was too low and she seemed nervous (which she 
>> explained) and shifted a lot. 
>> On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 1:51:54 PM UTC-7 George Schick wrote:
>>
>>> I clearly recall riding in an organized 100K group ride that took place 
>>> in Central Indiana in 1994 where a young lady and I had somewhat separated 
>>> from some of the other clusters of bikes and she asked if I wanted to join 
>>> her the rest of the way.  She said she was a triathlete. I agreed and rode 
>>> along side for while on my "ancient" '73 Fuji 5-speed while observing her 
>>> riding style.  Although obviously a very strong rider on a very up-to-date 
>>> bike, she seemed very nervous and kind of jittery on her bike and, by 
>>> virtue of the all too accessible brifters, was constantly jumping from one 
>>> gear to another on even the mildest elevations.  She said that she had 
>>> crashed on a few occasions, which made her somewhat apprehensive.  She 
>>> couldn't even remove one hand from the bars to drink from a water bottle 
>>> and, though she had flexible tube running from a very tiny bladder-like 
>>> water vessel mounted at the rear of her bike, I never saw her take one 
>>> sip.  She announced that she had become dehydrated during one triathlon and 
>>> I could easily see why.
>>>
>>> Although I never said anything, I also noticed that, given her long 
>>> legs, she rode with the saddle in way too low a position.  So, at one point 
>>> I asked her if she had ever drafted behind another cyclist and she said no, 
>>> so I offered to take the lead and instructed her about where to place her 
>>> bike behind mine in order to get the best wind break.  After a while she 
>>> remarked, "Your peddling is SO smooth."  A little while later she asked, 
>>> "Do you ride rollers?  You ride perfectly straight!"  Well, I did ride 
>>> rollers during the off season back then and my pedaling had developed into 
>>> that "ankle drop" at the bottom of the down stroke, something (and I'm 
>>> sorry 

Re: [RBW] Wild Clem Photos

[Johnny Alien]

That Clem is hawt!

On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 5:53:07 PM UTC-4 Mackenzy Albright wrote:

> [image: clementine.jpg]
>
> I recently acquired this 59 Clementine+boscomoose on a trade. I pulled 
> parts off my 64 Clem Jr to take take it for a spin. I was keen to check out 
> the differences in ride. The color coordination is a bit hodge-podged - but 
> I kind of like it. 
>
> On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 1:39:43 PM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> That Clem H looks great with the Crazy Bars and yes, purple tape would be 
>> awesome on those.
>> Doug
>>
>> On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 8:07:56 AM UTC-4 ezre...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Sorry the pic is at a jaunty angle. It does show off her wild attributes 
>>> though. I feel like she needs some of that purple bar tape!
>>>
>>> On Sunday, July 24, 2022 at 5:21:50 PM UTC-4 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Lovely.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Jul 24, 2022, at 3:09 PM, Matt Maceda  wrote:

 Clem in the morning light after a night on the mountain;



 On Saturday, July 23, 2022 at 7:43:01 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Loaded & unloaded..,
> [image: image1.jpeg]
>
> [image: image0.jpeg]
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 23, 2022, at 11:08 AM, Doug H.  wrote:
>
> I was chatting with Leah (Bicycle Belle Ding Ding) earlier and she 
> suggested starting a Wild Clem thread so folks can show off their Clems. 
> She said my Clem is the "wildest" but I doubt that! Here is mine with 
> some 
> color and stickers. Wild Clem Photos 
> 
>
>
> Share your Clem photos! 
>
> Doug
> Athens, Ga
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Re: [RBW] High bars at a club ride

[Leah Peterson]

George,
Wait, is this Annie Oakley stuff directed at me? If so, I find your comments 
bordering on mean, but I’ll try to remain objective here. The point of my club 
ride posts is meant to be that one does not have to conform to the preconceived 
notions embraced in bike clubs everywhere: that if you don’t look the part and 
ride a certain bike, you can’t keep pace. 

For a rider like me, joining a club ride can be uphill battle, right from the 
time you roll into the parking lot. Despite the “experts” saying you can’t hang 
with a group and ride a heavy bike, a bike with swept back bars, flat pedals, 
blah blah blah, I’m doing it and I’m not slowing us down. I’m not saying drop 
bars are bad and should be tossed out. I AM saying you can ride Billie Bars and 
still be fast. The point is not to negate drop bars and carbon bikes; the point 
is to show that there is room for variety in club rides. It might even be 
healthy. The club riding crowd can be awfully dogmatic, and even condescending 
(though most of my fellow riders are kind souls). I would hope my exploits 
might be a bit refreshing.

But to your point, who here has ridden both types of bikes and can honestly say 
which is faster? Maybe it *is* the drop-bar, short wheelbased bike, but I’ve 
never ridden one, so I can’t say.

> On Jul 28, 2022, at 6:06 PM, George Schick  wrote:
> Maybe I was too unclear in my previous post because it was getting too 
> lengthy, but what I was trying to underscore is that one cannot simply 
> elevate a rider with upright bars to the same level as one riding with road 
> bike drop bars without taking into consideration the level at which the road 
> bike bars are set, the stem length, etc.  I'll wager good money (not that any 
> money is worth much these days) that a well positioned rider with drop bars 
> would blow the socks off any rider on a long wheel-based bike with upright 
> bars in an out and out competition.  What I seem to see in the club ride 
> scenarios posted here lately is a kind of Annie Oakley "Anything You Can Do 
> (I Can Do Better)" with upright bars and that's just a one-off comparison.  
> Did you read orthopedic physical therapist and exercise physiologist Bob 
> Gordon's article?  What's the point of all this, anyway?
> 
> 
> On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 4:21:11 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>> I agree that position on the bike matters, but I don't understand how the 
>> young lady relates to the rest of your post. We're talking about bar height 
>> and you mentioned her saddle was too low and she seemed nervous (which she 
>> explained) and shifted a lot. 
>> On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 1:51:54 PM UTC-7 George Schick wrote:
>>> I clearly recall riding in an organized 100K group ride that took place in 
>>> Central Indiana in 1994 where a young lady and I had somewhat separated 
>>> from some of the other clusters of bikes and she asked if I wanted to join 
>>> her the rest of the way.  She said she was a triathlete. I agreed and rode 
>>> along side for while on my "ancient" '73 Fuji 5-speed while observing her 
>>> riding style.  Although obviously a very strong rider on a very up-to-date 
>>> bike, she seemed very nervous and kind of jittery on her bike and, by 
>>> virtue of the all too accessible brifters, was constantly jumping from one 
>>> gear to another on even the mildest elevations.  She said that she had 
>>> crashed on a few occasions, which made her somewhat apprehensive.  She 
>>> couldn't even remove one hand from the bars to drink from a water bottle 
>>> and, though she had flexible tube running from a very tiny bladder-like 
>>> water vessel mounted at the rear of her bike, I never saw her take one sip. 
>>>  She announced that she had become dehydrated during one triathlon and I 
>>> could easily see why.
>>> 
>>> Although I never said anything, I also noticed that, given her long legs, 
>>> she rode with the saddle in way too low a position.  So, at one point I 
>>> asked her if she had ever drafted behind another cyclist and she said no, 
>>> so I offered to take the lead and instructed her about where to place her 
>>> bike behind mine in order to get the best wind break.  After a while she 
>>> remarked, "Your peddling is SO smooth."  A little while later she asked, 
>>> "Do you ride rollers?  You ride perfectly straight!"  Well, I did ride 
>>> rollers during the off season back then and my pedaling had developed into 
>>> that "ankle drop" at the bottom of the down stroke, something (and I'm 
>>> sorry about this for you platform pedaling folks) can really only be 
>>> perfected with some type of pedal retention.  So, on we rode to the end of 
>>> the route, never giving her any advice one way or another about riding 
>>> position, constant shifting, or pedal retention (I learned the hard way not 
>>> to do that with anyone).  As strong a rider as she was, I always hoped that 
>>> she developed a better riding style as time went along.
>>> 
>>> The whole point of 

Re: [RBW] High bars at a club ride

[Joe Bernard]

Annie Oakley?? Well ok then. 

On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 3:06:11 PM UTC-7 George Schick wrote:

> Maybe I was too unclear in my previous post because it was getting too 
> lengthy, but what I was trying to underscore is that one cannot simply 
> elevate a rider with upright bars to the same level as one riding with road 
> bike drop bars without taking into consideration the level at which the 
> road bike bars are set, the stem length, etc.  I'll wager good money (not 
> that any money is worth much these days) that a well positioned rider with 
> drop bars would blow the socks off any rider on a long wheel-based bike 
> with upright bars in an out and out competition.  What I seem to see in the 
> club ride scenarios posted here lately is a kind of Annie Oakley "Anything 
> You Can Do (I Can Do Better)" with upright bars and that's just a one-off 
> comparison.  Did you read orthopedic physical therapist and exercise 
> physiologist Bob Gordon's article?  What's the point of all this, anyway?
>
>
> On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 4:21:11 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> I agree that position on the bike matters, but I don't understand how the 
>> young lady relates to the rest of your post. We're talking about bar height 
>> and you mentioned her saddle was too low and she seemed nervous (which she 
>> explained) and shifted a lot. 
>> On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 1:51:54 PM UTC-7 George Schick wrote:
>>
>>> I clearly recall riding in an organized 100K group ride that took place 
>>> in Central Indiana in 1994 where a young lady and I had somewhat separated 
>>> from some of the other clusters of bikes and she asked if I wanted to join 
>>> her the rest of the way.  She said she was a triathlete. I agreed and rode 
>>> along side for while on my "ancient" '73 Fuji 5-speed while observing her 
>>> riding style.  Although obviously a very strong rider on a very up-to-date 
>>> bike, she seemed very nervous and kind of jittery on her bike and, by 
>>> virtue of the all too accessible brifters, was constantly jumping from one 
>>> gear to another on even the mildest elevations.  She said that she had 
>>> crashed on a few occasions, which made her somewhat apprehensive.  She 
>>> couldn't even remove one hand from the bars to drink from a water bottle 
>>> and, though she had flexible tube running from a very tiny bladder-like 
>>> water vessel mounted at the rear of her bike, I never saw her take one 
>>> sip.  She announced that she had become dehydrated during one triathlon and 
>>> I could easily see why.
>>>
>>> Although I never said anything, I also noticed that, given her long 
>>> legs, she rode with the saddle in way too low a position.  So, at one point 
>>> I asked her if she had ever drafted behind another cyclist and she said no, 
>>> so I offered to take the lead and instructed her about where to place her 
>>> bike behind mine in order to get the best wind break.  After a while she 
>>> remarked, "Your peddling is SO smooth."  A little while later she asked, 
>>> "Do you ride rollers?  You ride perfectly straight!"  Well, I did ride 
>>> rollers during the off season back then and my pedaling had developed into 
>>> that "ankle drop" at the bottom of the down stroke, something (and I'm 
>>> sorry about this for you platform pedaling folks) can really only be 
>>> perfected with some type of pedal retention.  So, on we rode to the end of 
>>> the route, never giving her any advice one way or another about riding 
>>> position, constant shifting, or pedal retention (I learned the hard way not 
>>> to do that with anyone).  As strong a rider as she was, I always hoped that 
>>> she developed a better riding style as time went along.
>>>
>>> The whole point of mentioning this is to underscore that position, 
>>> position, position is of ultimate importance.  But not the position you 
>>> have to buy into at a shop with a Fit-Kit.  Having encountered Grant and 
>>> his Readers in the mid-90's I soon began to understand that in a different 
>>> way that I had previously and, though I still used road drop bars, I 
>>> adopted a much higher bar height as a result.  After all, I was aging and 
>>> was becoming much less flexible that I used to be.  If you want ride higher 
>>> bars in a more upright position, good for you.  But don't automatically 
>>> discount those who use road bars positioned in a way that supports their 
>>> riding style; consider instead this article from Page 28 of an old reader 
>>> http://notfine.com/rivreader/RR04.pdf and at least give it the benefit 
>>> of the doubt.  The author is, after all a physical therapist and does have 
>>> some worthy credentials.  Consider instead what Nick Payne so clearly 
>>> underscores in his very accurate post above about the multi-position 
>>> availability that the road bars offer a cyclist that upright or flat bars 
>>> simply cannot.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, July 27, 2022 at 10:58:04 AM UTC-5 amill...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I’ve 

Re: [RBW] High bars at a club ride

[George Schick]

Maybe I was too unclear in my previous post because it was getting too 
lengthy, but what I was trying to underscore is that one cannot simply 
elevate a rider with upright bars to the same level as one riding with road 
bike drop bars without taking into consideration the level at which the 
road bike bars are set, the stem length, etc.  I'll wager good money (not 
that any money is worth much these days) that a well positioned rider with 
drop bars would blow the socks off any rider on a long wheel-based bike 
with upright bars in an out and out competition.  What I seem to see in the 
club ride scenarios posted here lately is a kind of Annie Oakley "Anything 
You Can Do (I Can Do Better)" with upright bars and that's just a one-off 
comparison.  Did you read orthopedic physical therapist and exercise 
physiologist Bob Gordon's article?  What's the point of all this, anyway?


On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 4:21:11 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I agree that position on the bike matters, but I don't understand how the 
> young lady relates to the rest of your post. We're talking about bar height 
> and you mentioned her saddle was too low and she seemed nervous (which she 
> explained) and shifted a lot. 
> On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 1:51:54 PM UTC-7 George Schick wrote:
>
>> I clearly recall riding in an organized 100K group ride that took place 
>> in Central Indiana in 1994 where a young lady and I had somewhat separated 
>> from some of the other clusters of bikes and she asked if I wanted to join 
>> her the rest of the way.  She said she was a triathlete. I agreed and rode 
>> along side for while on my "ancient" '73 Fuji 5-speed while observing her 
>> riding style.  Although obviously a very strong rider on a very up-to-date 
>> bike, she seemed very nervous and kind of jittery on her bike and, by 
>> virtue of the all too accessible brifters, was constantly jumping from one 
>> gear to another on even the mildest elevations.  She said that she had 
>> crashed on a few occasions, which made her somewhat apprehensive.  She 
>> couldn't even remove one hand from the bars to drink from a water bottle 
>> and, though she had flexible tube running from a very tiny bladder-like 
>> water vessel mounted at the rear of her bike, I never saw her take one 
>> sip.  She announced that she had become dehydrated during one triathlon and 
>> I could easily see why.
>>
>> Although I never said anything, I also noticed that, given her long legs, 
>> she rode with the saddle in way too low a position.  So, at one point I 
>> asked her if she had ever drafted behind another cyclist and she said no, 
>> so I offered to take the lead and instructed her about where to place her 
>> bike behind mine in order to get the best wind break.  After a while she 
>> remarked, "Your peddling is SO smooth."  A little while later she asked, 
>> "Do you ride rollers?  You ride perfectly straight!"  Well, I did ride 
>> rollers during the off season back then and my pedaling had developed into 
>> that "ankle drop" at the bottom of the down stroke, something (and I'm 
>> sorry about this for you platform pedaling folks) can really only be 
>> perfected with some type of pedal retention.  So, on we rode to the end of 
>> the route, never giving her any advice one way or another about riding 
>> position, constant shifting, or pedal retention (I learned the hard way not 
>> to do that with anyone).  As strong a rider as she was, I always hoped that 
>> she developed a better riding style as time went along.
>>
>> The whole point of mentioning this is to underscore that position, 
>> position, position is of ultimate importance.  But not the position you 
>> have to buy into at a shop with a Fit-Kit.  Having encountered Grant and 
>> his Readers in the mid-90's I soon began to understand that in a different 
>> way that I had previously and, though I still used road drop bars, I 
>> adopted a much higher bar height as a result.  After all, I was aging and 
>> was becoming much less flexible that I used to be.  If you want ride higher 
>> bars in a more upright position, good for you.  But don't automatically 
>> discount those who use road bars positioned in a way that supports their 
>> riding style; consider instead this article from Page 28 of an old reader 
>> http://notfine.com/rivreader/RR04.pdf and at least give it the benefit 
>> of the doubt.  The author is, after all a physical therapist and does have 
>> some worthy credentials.  Consider instead what Nick Payne so clearly 
>> underscores in his very accurate post above about the multi-position 
>> availability that the road bars offer a cyclist that upright or flat bars 
>> simply cannot.
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 27, 2022 at 10:58:04 AM UTC-5 amill...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I’ve got Boscos, Toscos, Rene Herse Maes os, and Some HWY onecos. I’ve 
>>> ridden albatross, bull horns, fun3s, high risers, etc.
>>>
>>> They’re great. Having strong feelings about a 

Re: [RBW] High bars at a club ride

[Joe Bernard]

I agree that position on the bike matters, but I don't understand how the 
young lady relates to the rest of your post. We're talking about bar height 
and you mentioned her saddle was too low and she seemed nervous (which she 
explained) and shifted a lot. 
On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 1:51:54 PM UTC-7 George Schick wrote:

> I clearly recall riding in an organized 100K group ride that took place in 
> Central Indiana in 1994 where a young lady and I had somewhat separated 
> from some of the other clusters of bikes and she asked if I wanted to join 
> her the rest of the way.  She said she was a triathlete. I agreed and rode 
> along side for while on my "ancient" '73 Fuji 5-speed while observing her 
> riding style.  Although obviously a very strong rider on a very up-to-date 
> bike, she seemed very nervous and kind of jittery on her bike and, by 
> virtue of the all too accessible brifters, was constantly jumping from one 
> gear to another on even the mildest elevations.  She said that she had 
> crashed on a few occasions, which made her somewhat apprehensive.  She 
> couldn't even remove one hand from the bars to drink from a water bottle 
> and, though she had flexible tube running from a very tiny bladder-like 
> water vessel mounted at the rear of her bike, I never saw her take one 
> sip.  She announced that she had become dehydrated during one triathlon and 
> I could easily see why.
>
> Although I never said anything, I also noticed that, given her long legs, 
> she rode with the saddle in way too low a position.  So, at one point I 
> asked her if she had ever drafted behind another cyclist and she said no, 
> so I offered to take the lead and instructed her about where to place her 
> bike behind mine in order to get the best wind break.  After a while she 
> remarked, "Your peddling is SO smooth."  A little while later she asked, 
> "Do you ride rollers?  You ride perfectly straight!"  Well, I did ride 
> rollers during the off season back then and my pedaling had developed into 
> that "ankle drop" at the bottom of the down stroke, something (and I'm 
> sorry about this for you platform pedaling folks) can really only be 
> perfected with some type of pedal retention.  So, on we rode to the end of 
> the route, never giving her any advice one way or another about riding 
> position, constant shifting, or pedal retention (I learned the hard way not 
> to do that with anyone).  As strong a rider as she was, I always hoped that 
> she developed a better riding style as time went along.
>
> The whole point of mentioning this is to underscore that position, 
> position, position is of ultimate importance.  But not the position you 
> have to buy into at a shop with a Fit-Kit.  Having encountered Grant and 
> his Readers in the mid-90's I soon began to understand that in a different 
> way that I had previously and, though I still used road drop bars, I 
> adopted a much higher bar height as a result.  After all, I was aging and 
> was becoming much less flexible that I used to be.  If you want ride higher 
> bars in a more upright position, good for you.  But don't automatically 
> discount those who use road bars positioned in a way that supports their 
> riding style; consider instead this article from Page 28 of an old reader 
> http://notfine.com/rivreader/RR04.pdf and at least give it the benefit of 
> the doubt.  The author is, after all a physical therapist and does have 
> some worthy credentials.  Consider instead what Nick Payne so clearly 
> underscores in his very accurate post above about the multi-position 
> availability that the road bars offer a cyclist that upright or flat bars 
> simply cannot.
>
> On Wednesday, July 27, 2022 at 10:58:04 AM UTC-5 amill...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I’ve got Boscos, Toscos, Rene Herse Maes os, and Some HWY onecos. I’ve 
>> ridden albatross, bull horns, fun3s, high risers, etc.
>>
>> They’re great. Having strong feelings about a handlebar seems strange to 
>> me. I like the multiple positions on a drop bar as much as I like the 
>> upright position on albatross’.
>>
>> Just like cruising can be as much or less fun as a group ride. 
>>
>> I admire Leah for not letting preconceived notions prevent her from 
>> trying new things. I’ve been shunned by roadies at group rides and hipsters 
>> at critical mass. Laugh it off and eat some tacos.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Aaron in El Paso
>>
>> On Jul 27, 2022, at 08:13, Tom Wyland  wrote:
>>
>> OK, I used to be all against the idea of riding in circles for sport.  
>> I'm all about riding to get somewhere or do something, not just riding 
>> loops.  Then Covid lockdown hit  and I didn't bike to work, there was 
>> nothing open, and I didn't want to be exercising my lungs in the grocery 
>> store after riding there.  So I found myself riding in circles.  So I guess 
>> it's not that dumb after all. I just wish people would take a relaxing ride 
>> once and a while instead of sprinting everywhere.
>>
>> I'm 100% 

Re: [RBW] High bars at a club ride

[George Schick]

I clearly recall riding in an organized 100K group ride that took place in 
Central Indiana in 1994 where a young lady and I had somewhat separated 
from some of the other clusters of bikes and she asked if I wanted to join 
her the rest of the way.  She said she was a triathlete. I agreed and rode 
along side for while on my "ancient" '73 Fuji 5-speed while observing her 
riding style.  Although obviously a very strong rider on a very up-to-date 
bike, she seemed very nervous and kind of jittery on her bike and, by 
virtue of the all too accessible brifters, was constantly jumping from one 
gear to another on even the mildest elevations.  She said that she had 
crashed on a few occasions, which made her somewhat apprehensive.  She 
couldn't even remove one hand from the bars to drink from a water bottle 
and, though she had flexible tube running from a very tiny bladder-like 
water vessel mounted at the rear of her bike, I never saw her take one 
sip.  She announced that she had become dehydrated during one triathlon and 
I could easily see why.

Although I never said anything, I also noticed that, given her long legs, 
she rode with the saddle in way too low a position.  So, at one point I 
asked her if she had ever drafted behind another cyclist and she said no, 
so I offered to take the lead and instructed her about where to place her 
bike behind mine in order to get the best wind break.  After a while she 
remarked, "Your peddling is SO smooth."  A little while later she asked, 
"Do you ride rollers?  You ride perfectly straight!"  Well, I did ride 
rollers during the off season back then and my pedaling had developed into 
that "ankle drop" at the bottom of the down stroke, something (and I'm 
sorry about this for you platform pedaling folks) can really only be 
perfected with some type of pedal retention.  So, on we rode to the end of 
the route, never giving her any advice one way or another about riding 
position, constant shifting, or pedal retention (I learned the hard way not 
to do that with anyone).  As strong a rider as she was, I always hoped that 
she developed a better riding style as time went along.

The whole point of mentioning this is to underscore that position, 
position, position is of ultimate importance.  But not the position you 
have to buy into at a shop with a Fit-Kit.  Having encountered Grant and 
his Readers in the mid-90's I soon began to understand that in a different 
way that I had previously and, though I still used road drop bars, I 
adopted a much higher bar height as a result.  After all, I was aging and 
was becoming much less flexible that I used to be.  If you want ride higher 
bars in a more upright position, good for you.  But don't automatically 
discount those who use road bars positioned in a way that supports their 
riding style; consider instead this article from Page 28 of an old 
reader http://notfine.com/rivreader/RR04.pdf and at least give it the 
benefit of the doubt.  The author is, after all a physical therapist and 
does have some worthy credentials.  Consider instead what Nick Payne so 
clearly underscores in his very accurate post above about the 
multi-position availability that the road bars offer a cyclist that upright 
or flat bars simply cannot.

On Wednesday, July 27, 2022 at 10:58:04 AM UTC-5 amill...@gmail.com wrote:

> I’ve got Boscos, Toscos, Rene Herse Maes os, and Some HWY onecos. I’ve 
> ridden albatross, bull horns, fun3s, high risers, etc.
>
> They’re great. Having strong feelings about a handlebar seems strange to 
> me. I like the multiple positions on a drop bar as much as I like the 
> upright position on albatross’.
>
> Just like cruising can be as much or less fun as a group ride. 
>
> I admire Leah for not letting preconceived notions prevent her from trying 
> new things. I’ve been shunned by roadies at group rides and hipsters at 
> critical mass. Laugh it off and eat some tacos.
>
> Best,
>
> Aaron in El Paso
>
> On Jul 27, 2022, at 08:13, Tom Wyland  wrote:
>
> OK, I used to be all against the idea of riding in circles for sport.  
> I'm all about riding to get somewhere or do something, not just riding 
> loops.  Then Covid lockdown hit  and I didn't bike to work, there was 
> nothing open, and I didn't want to be exercising my lungs in the grocery 
> store after riding there.  So I found myself riding in circles.  So I guess 
> it's not that dumb after all. I just wish people would take a relaxing ride 
> once and a while instead of sprinting everywhere.
>
> I'm 100% with the comment from Max S on Chilling/Cruising/Jamming 
> positions.  All bars should have them.
>
> Tom, who recently switched to Bosco Bars
>
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[RBW] Re: wtb: Rivendell x Nitto threadless Bullmoose B901 bars

[Wally Estrella]

whatbars.com has all 3 bars in the database for the visual overlay


On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 2:46:04 PM UTC-4 Coal Bee Rye Anne wrote:

> I recall also being somewhat confused by the different versions when 
> previously considering some bar changes.   The Fairweather is definitely 
> wider at 710mm and has less backsweep, less extension, and no rise it seems:
>
> https://velo-orange.com/collections/flat-and-upright-bars/products/b903-bullmoose-bar-by-nitto-silver-1
>  
>
> I have a tig'd B904 threadless I acquired via trade and can at least 
> confirm the one in my possession has the same Riv shape, extension, and 
> rise, but with a narrower 610mm width compared to the 660mm B901.  
>
> It looks like the two fillet brazed versions (quill and threadless) Riv 
> last stocked were both labeled as B901R on their site so maybe the R 
> represents the fillet brazed vs. TIG construction?
>
> Not entirely sure but my own prior conclusion was the following:
> B901 = 660mm Riv shape
> B903 = Fairweather 710mm threadless
> B904 - 610mm Riv shape
>
> Hopefully some others could confirm/deny any of the above or have one 
> available (as both my quill 901 and threadless 904 are in use and not what 
> you seem to be looking for anyway.)
>
> Best,
> Brian Cole
> Lawrence NJ
> On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 11:23:04 AM UTC-4 J wrote:
>
>> Howdy folks,
>>
>> I'm looking for the threadless version of the Rivendell bullmoose B901 
>> bars. I'm still a bit confused if the B901 threadless is different than the 
>> B904, maybe only in bar width? The B904 is not as wide as the Riv B901 
>> quill stem version. I think the Fairweather B904 are too straight for my 
>> intended use for these bars.
>>
>> thanks for reading
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: wtb: Rivendell x Nitto threadless Bullmoose B901 bars

[Coal Bee Rye Anne]

I recall also being somewhat confused by the different versions when 
previously considering some bar changes.   The Fairweather is definitely 
wider at 710mm and has less backsweep, less extension, and no rise it seems:
https://velo-orange.com/collections/flat-and-upright-bars/products/b903-bullmoose-bar-by-nitto-silver-1
 

I have a tig'd B904 threadless I acquired via trade and can at least 
confirm the one in my possession has the same Riv shape, extension, and 
rise, but with a narrower 610mm width compared to the 660mm B901.  

It looks like the two fillet brazed versions (quill and threadless) Riv 
last stocked were both labeled as B901R on their site so maybe the R 
represents the fillet brazed vs. TIG construction?

Not entirely sure but my own prior conclusion was the following:
B901 = 660mm Riv shape
B903 = Fairweather 710mm threadless
B904 - 610mm Riv shape

Hopefully some others could confirm/deny any of the above or have one 
available (as both my quill 901 and threadless 904 are in use and not what 
you seem to be looking for anyway.)

Best,
Brian Cole
Lawrence NJ
On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 11:23:04 AM UTC-4 J wrote:

> Howdy folks,
>
> I'm looking for the threadless version of the Rivendell bullmoose B901 
> bars. I'm still a bit confused if the B901 threadless is different than the 
> B904, maybe only in bar width? The B904 is not as wide as the Riv B901 
> quill stem version. I think the Fairweather B904 are too straight for my 
> intended use for these bars.
>
> thanks for reading
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Wool jerseys, XT v-brakes, 26.8 seatpost, etc.

[Eric Marth]

Shimano XT Deore v brakes have sold. 

On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 7:56:58 AM UTC-4 Eric Marth wrote:

> Price reductions and updates. Thanks all! 
>
> Prices do not include shipping. 
>
> Pictures are here. 
> 
>  
>
> 01. Protogs wool jersey — $30
> 
This is labeled a size large, 100% wool jersey. Short sleeves. Let’s call 
> it normal weight. Three pockets with buttons in the back. Some small flecks 
> of discoloration across the front, some stains at front and back as shown. 
> Great condition, overall. Similar to Kucharick jerseys, though they are no 
> longer in production as they recently closed. Made in USA. Pit to pit is 
> 16”. Overall length is 29”. 
>
> 02. Protogs wool jersey — $30
> 
Another yellow Protogs jersey, all wool. Short sleeves. Also labeled a 
> large. Lighter weight wool than jersey #1. Two small pinholes in the left 
> sleeve, small hole near the middle pocket at the rear. No stains or 
> discoloration. Similar to Kucharick jerseys, though they are no longer in 
> production as they recently closed. Machine washable Superwash wool.  Pit 
> to pit is 16”. Overall length is 29”. 
>
> 03. SR Laprade seatpost, 26.8 — $25
> 
Vintage seatpost with great paint and patina. With that Riv seatpost 
> size. 
>
> 05. Shimano Deore FD M618 — $15

> This came off of my 2021 Riv-built Appaloosa and was used for about a 
> year. Use it on a wide-low Silver crank. 
>
> 06. Shimano XT Deore V-brakes. BR-M739. One bikesworth — $60
> Dust boots included but not pictured. Original mounting bolts are missing 
> as well. 
>
>
> On Tuesday, July 26, 2022 at 4:50:16 PM UTC-4 Eric Marth wrote:
>
>> Cross-posted to RBW and iBOB. 
>>
>> I have a few things for sale. Prices do not include shipping. I’ll 
>> calculate shipping based on weight and mailing from me in 22401 to you. If 
>> something strikes you I am open to offers, especially if bundling! 
>>
>> Payment via PayPal Friends & Family. Please contact me off list. Thanks!
>>
>> Pictures are here. 
>> 
>>  
>>
>> 01. Protogs wool jersey — $50
>> This is labeled a size large, 100% wool jersey. Let’s call it normal 
>> weight. Three pockets with buttons in the back. Some small flecks of 
>> discoloration across the front, some stains at front and back as shown. 
>> Made in USA. Pit to pit is 16”. Overall length is 29”. 
>>
>> 02. Protogs wool jersey — $50 
>> Another yellow Protogs jersey, all wool. Also labeled a large. Lighter 
>> weight wool than jersey #1. Two small pinholes in the left sleeve, small 
>> hole near the middle pocket at the rear. No stains or discoloration. 
>> Machine washable Superwash wool.  Pit to pit is 16”. Overall length is 29”. 
>>
>> 03. SR Laprade seatpost, 26.8 — $40
>> Vintage seatpost with great paint and patina. 
>>
>> 04. Shimano XTR M951 rear derailer, rapid rise — $25
>> I purchased this recently and found the cage appears to be bent and does 
>> not align with the cassette. If you would like to try your hand at bending 
>> the cage here’s your chance! Medium cage. I believe Eben Weiss has this 
>> same derailer on one of his Rivendells and Grant gave it to him, FWIW. 
>>
>> 05. Shimano Deore FD M618 — $25
>> This came off of my 2021 Riv-built Appaloosa and was used for about a 
>> year. 
>>
>> 06. Shimano XT Deore V-brakes. BR-M739. One bikesworth — $75
>> Dust boots included but not pictured. 
>>
>> 07. Outer Shell stem caddy — $40
>> Great condition, some surface dirt, nbd. Nylon straps have been trimmed 
>> and cuts melted. Long velcro stabilizer loop included (uncut). 
>>
>> 08. Suntour Sprint downtube shifters — $15
>> The classic shifters that the Riv Silver V1s are based on. 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Nitto Jitensha handlebar B2522

[jeffbog...@hotmail.com]

SOLD

On Thursday, 28 July 2022 at 07:35:12 UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:

> I have used these bars on a single speed and really like them. They are 
> great for riding in town and upright. Easy to maneuver through traffic and 
> parked cars.
> Doug
>
> On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 6:46:27 AM UTC-4 jeffbog...@hotmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Bump and price drop to $25
>>
>> On Saturday, 23 July 2022 at 11:01:49 UTC-5 jeffbog...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Original handlebars from Jitensha studios in Berkeley; great for a more 
>>> touring or city-friendly setup. These are a more compact version of the 
>>> Nitto Wavie bar. Asking $45, please send pm for interest. Thanks!
>>>
>>> • clamp: 26.0mm
>>> • width: 570mm
>>> • zero drop
>>> • reach: 25mm
>>> • back sweep: 45º
>>> • grip area/brake lever diameter: 22.2mm
>>> • weight: 260g
>>>
>>

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[RBW] wtb: Rivendell x Nitto threadless Bullmoose B901 bars

[J]

Howdy folks,

I'm looking for the threadless version of the Rivendell bullmoose B901 
bars. I'm still a bit confused if the B901 threadless is different than the 
B904, maybe only in bar width? The B904 is not as wide as the Riv B901 
quill stem version. I think the Fairweather B904 are too straight for my 
intended use for these bars.

thanks for reading

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Re: [RBW] Which Dyno Hub?

[greenteadrinkers]

Speaking as someone with a few SON28 wheels, and the type of riding you 
described, I'd suggest considering a $30 Paul Gino mount and a few $35 
Cygolite lights a go before investing $500+ on a SON28 and Edelux headlight 
(not including the cost for the cox-axial connector, rim, rim tape, spokes, 
and nipples). But, I totally get it, Dyno hubs are awesome! Personally, I 
hate having to look at the wiring and zip ties.

Best
Scott

On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 9:09:10 AM UTC-4 peech1...@yahoo.com wrote:

> I have Velogical dynamo on my Sam Hillborne.  Love its elegance and the 
> fact that I didn't have to change my front wheel and hub when I wanted to 
> add dynamo lighting.  One other con to consider is the potential for 
> slipping when riding in wet conditions.  The  Velogical has provided 
> adequate light even when wet however.  Tim Petersen
>
> On Tuesday, July 26, 2022 at 10:19:02 AM UTC-5 campyo...@me.com wrote:
>
>> Jason:
>>
>> You’ll hear many opinions—good luck sifting through the advice you will 
>> get!
>>
>> I have both SON and Shutter Precision hubs and have not had any issues 
>> with either. My SONs have ranged from the old-style type with flanges 
>> pressed onto a center piece to the modern (and very pretty) type. I have 
>> several variations of the SP hubs on various bikes.
>>
>> If money is no object, definitely go with SON, if only because they’re so 
>> darn pretty. SP will perform just as well—I have not experienced the 
>> “roughness” that one other respondent reported.
>>
>> Based on what I’ve read about SON and their weather sealing, the biggest 
>> advantage that I know of is that they are pressure compensated; SP hubs are 
>> not. That means that if you go from a warm, dry environment directly into a 
>> cold and dry one, the SON hubs won’t draw in moisture as the air inside the 
>> hub cools. SP hubs might, but for this to be a problem, you would have to 
>> roll right out into a cold downpour. That’s an edge case for me and 
>> something that has never been a problem.
>>
>> Finally … Have you considered the Velogical dynamo? I have one on an Alex 
>> Singer, and it’s great. Pros: Cheaper than a dyno hub and wheel, very low 
>> draw, ZERO drag in the “off” position, great German engineering, works with 
>> any wheel. Cons: Sits outside on the frame, where it might be subject to 
>> damage (not a problem for me in several years of use), makes a quiet 
>> whirring noise when running, requires a small clamp to attach to the frame.
>>
>> --Eric Norris
>> campyo...@me.com
>> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
>> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 
>>
>> On Jul 25, 2022, at 11:59 PM, Jason Glenn  wrote:
>>
>> Hi, all,
>>
>> I've never had a bike with a dyno hub but rode one a few months back -- 
>> thanks, Max! -- and have decided to build up a wheel -- my first wheel 
>> build, too -- with one for an Atlantis.  I know the Son 28 is the go to, 
>> and I could be convinced to use one, but I'm working on a limited budget 
>> and am wondering what people think about the alternatives out there.  My 
>> main use for the Atlantis, at least at the moment, will be commuting, 
>> running erands, etc., but I'm trying to bike as my principle form of 
>> transportation (in Los Angeles) and will be riding in the evenings and 
>> early mornings with some regularity.  Down the road, I would like to do 
>> some touring on it.
>>
>> Anyway, I'm interested in any and all suggestions/perspectives.  
>>
>> Thanks, in advance,
>> jason
>>
>> P.s. While I'm at it, happy to hear about favorite rims and spokes for 
>> the build...
>>
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Re: [RBW] Which Dyno Hub?

[Justin Kennedy (Brooklyn, NY)]

I've had good experience with several budget Shimano hubs (never any 
issues) as well as the Panasonic hub, which I have on a cargo bike that 
sits outside year-round in rain/snow/heat/humidity. You can get them from 
Peter White and maybe some other places, too. 

https://www.peterwhitecycles.com/panahub.php

On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 9:09:10 AM UTC-4 peech1...@yahoo.com wrote:

> I have Velogical dynamo on my Sam Hillborne.  Love its elegance and the 
> fact that I didn't have to change my front wheel and hub when I wanted to 
> add dynamo lighting.  One other con to consider is the potential for 
> slipping when riding in wet conditions.  The  Velogical has provided 
> adequate light even when wet however.  Tim Petersen
>
> On Tuesday, July 26, 2022 at 10:19:02 AM UTC-5 campyo...@me.com wrote:
>
>> Jason:
>>
>> You’ll hear many opinions—good luck sifting through the advice you will 
>> get!
>>
>> I have both SON and Shutter Precision hubs and have not had any issues 
>> with either. My SONs have ranged from the old-style type with flanges 
>> pressed onto a center piece to the modern (and very pretty) type. I have 
>> several variations of the SP hubs on various bikes.
>>
>> If money is no object, definitely go with SON, if only because they’re so 
>> darn pretty. SP will perform just as well—I have not experienced the 
>> “roughness” that one other respondent reported.
>>
>> Based on what I’ve read about SON and their weather sealing, the biggest 
>> advantage that I know of is that they are pressure compensated; SP hubs are 
>> not. That means that if you go from a warm, dry environment directly into a 
>> cold and dry one, the SON hubs won’t draw in moisture as the air inside the 
>> hub cools. SP hubs might, but for this to be a problem, you would have to 
>> roll right out into a cold downpour. That’s an edge case for me and 
>> something that has never been a problem.
>>
>> Finally … Have you considered the Velogical dynamo? I have one on an Alex 
>> Singer, and it’s great. Pros: Cheaper than a dyno hub and wheel, very low 
>> draw, ZERO drag in the “off” position, great German engineering, works with 
>> any wheel. Cons: Sits outside on the frame, where it might be subject to 
>> damage (not a problem for me in several years of use), makes a quiet 
>> whirring noise when running, requires a small clamp to attach to the frame.
>>
>> --Eric Norris
>> campyo...@me.com
>> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
>> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 
>>
>> On Jul 25, 2022, at 11:59 PM, Jason Glenn  wrote:
>>
>> Hi, all,
>>
>> I've never had a bike with a dyno hub but rode one a few months back -- 
>> thanks, Max! -- and have decided to build up a wheel -- my first wheel 
>> build, too -- with one for an Atlantis.  I know the Son 28 is the go to, 
>> and I could be convinced to use one, but I'm working on a limited budget 
>> and am wondering what people think about the alternatives out there.  My 
>> main use for the Atlantis, at least at the moment, will be commuting, 
>> running erands, etc., but I'm trying to bike as my principle form of 
>> transportation (in Los Angeles) and will be riding in the evenings and 
>> early mornings with some regularity.  Down the road, I would like to do 
>> some touring on it.
>>
>> Anyway, I'm interested in any and all suggestions/perspectives.  
>>
>> Thanks, in advance,
>> jason
>>
>> P.s. While I'm at it, happy to hear about favorite rims and spokes for 
>> the build...
>>
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Re: [RBW] Which Dyno Hub?

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I have Velogical dynamo on my Sam Hillborne.  Love its elegance and the 
fact that I didn't have to change my front wheel and hub when I wanted to 
add dynamo lighting.  One other con to consider is the potential for 
slipping when riding in wet conditions.  The  Velogical has provided 
adequate light even when wet however.  Tim Petersen

On Tuesday, July 26, 2022 at 10:19:02 AM UTC-5 campyo...@me.com wrote:

> Jason:
>
> You’ll hear many opinions—good luck sifting through the advice you will 
> get!
>
> I have both SON and Shutter Precision hubs and have not had any issues 
> with either. My SONs have ranged from the old-style type with flanges 
> pressed onto a center piece to the modern (and very pretty) type. I have 
> several variations of the SP hubs on various bikes.
>
> If money is no object, definitely go with SON, if only because they’re so 
> darn pretty. SP will perform just as well—I have not experienced the 
> “roughness” that one other respondent reported.
>
> Based on what I’ve read about SON and their weather sealing, the biggest 
> advantage that I know of is that they are pressure compensated; SP hubs are 
> not. That means that if you go from a warm, dry environment directly into a 
> cold and dry one, the SON hubs won’t draw in moisture as the air inside the 
> hub cools. SP hubs might, but for this to be a problem, you would have to 
> roll right out into a cold downpour. That’s an edge case for me and 
> something that has never been a problem.
>
> Finally … Have you considered the Velogical dynamo? I have one on an Alex 
> Singer, and it’s great. Pros: Cheaper than a dyno hub and wheel, very low 
> draw, ZERO drag in the “off” position, great German engineering, works with 
> any wheel. Cons: Sits outside on the frame, where it might be subject to 
> damage (not a problem for me in several years of use), makes a quiet 
> whirring noise when running, requires a small clamp to attach to the frame.
>
> --Eric Norris
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>
> On Jul 25, 2022, at 11:59 PM, Jason Glenn  wrote:
>
> Hi, all,
>
> I've never had a bike with a dyno hub but rode one a few months back -- 
> thanks, Max! -- and have decided to build up a wheel -- my first wheel 
> build, too -- with one for an Atlantis.  I know the Son 28 is the go to, 
> and I could be convinced to use one, but I'm working on a limited budget 
> and am wondering what people think about the alternatives out there.  My 
> main use for the Atlantis, at least at the moment, will be commuting, 
> running erands, etc., but I'm trying to bike as my principle form of 
> transportation (in Los Angeles) and will be riding in the evenings and 
> early mornings with some regularity.  Down the road, I would like to do 
> some touring on it.
>
> Anyway, I'm interested in any and all suggestions/perspectives.  
>
> Thanks, in advance,
> jason
>
> P.s. While I'm at it, happy to hear about favorite rims and spokes for the 
> build...
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[RBW] Re: FS: Nitto Jitensha handlebar B2522

[Doug H.]

I have used these bars on a single speed and really like them. They are 
great for riding in town and upright. Easy to maneuver through traffic and 
parked cars.
Doug

On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 6:46:27 AM UTC-4 jeffbog...@hotmail.com wrote:

> Bump and price drop to $25
>
> On Saturday, 23 July 2022 at 11:01:49 UTC-5 jeffbog...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>> Original handlebars from Jitensha studios in Berkeley; great for a more 
>> touring or city-friendly setup. These are a more compact version of the 
>> Nitto Wavie bar. Asking $45, please send pm for interest. Thanks!
>>
>> • clamp: 26.0mm
>> • width: 570mm
>> • zero drop
>> • reach: 25mm
>> • back sweep: 45º
>> • grip area/brake lever diameter: 22.2mm
>> • weight: 260g
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Wool jerseys, XT v-brakes, 26.8 seatpost, etc.

[Eric Marth]

Price reductions and updates. Thanks all! 

Prices do not include shipping. 

Pictures are here. 

 

01. Protogs wool jersey — $30

This is labeled a size large, 100% wool jersey. Short sleeves. Let’s call 
it normal weight. Three pockets with buttons in the back. Some small flecks 
of discoloration across the front, some stains at front and back as shown. 
Great condition, overall. Similar to Kucharick jerseys, though they are no 
longer in production as they recently closed. Made in USA. Pit to pit is 
16”. Overall length is 29”. 

02. Protogs wool jersey — $30

Another yellow Protogs jersey, all wool. Short sleeves. Also labeled a 
large. Lighter weight wool than jersey #1. Two small pinholes in the left 
sleeve, small hole near the middle pocket at the rear. No stains or 
discoloration. Similar to Kucharick jerseys, though they are no longer in 
production as they recently closed. Machine washable Superwash wool.  Pit 
to pit is 16”. Overall length is 29”. 

03. SR Laprade seatpost, 26.8 — $25

Vintage seatpost with great paint and patina. With that Riv seatpost size. 

05. Shimano Deore FD M618 — $15

This came off of my 2021 Riv-built Appaloosa and was used for about a year. 
Use it on a wide-low Silver crank. 

06. Shimano XT Deore V-brakes. BR-M739. One bikesworth — $60
Dust boots included but not pictured. Original mounting bolts are missing 
as well. 


On Tuesday, July 26, 2022 at 4:50:16 PM UTC-4 Eric Marth wrote:

> Cross-posted to RBW and iBOB. 
>
> I have a few things for sale. Prices do not include shipping. I’ll 
> calculate shipping based on weight and mailing from me in 22401 to you. If 
> something strikes you I am open to offers, especially if bundling! 
>
> Payment via PayPal Friends & Family. Please contact me off list. Thanks!
>
> Pictures are here. 
> 
>  
>
> 01. Protogs wool jersey — $50
> This is labeled a size large, 100% wool jersey. Let’s call it normal 
> weight. Three pockets with buttons in the back. Some small flecks of 
> discoloration across the front, some stains at front and back as shown. 
> Made in USA. Pit to pit is 16”. Overall length is 29”. 
>
> 02. Protogs wool jersey — $50 
> Another yellow Protogs jersey, all wool. Also labeled a large. Lighter 
> weight wool than jersey #1. Two small pinholes in the left sleeve, small 
> hole near the middle pocket at the rear. No stains or discoloration. 
> Machine washable Superwash wool.  Pit to pit is 16”. Overall length is 29”. 
>
> 03. SR Laprade seatpost, 26.8 — $40
> Vintage seatpost with great paint and patina. 
>
> 04. Shimano XTR M951 rear derailer, rapid rise — $25
> I purchased this recently and found the cage appears to be bent and does 
> not align with the cassette. If you would like to try your hand at bending 
> the cage here’s your chance! Medium cage. I believe Eben Weiss has this 
> same derailer on one of his Rivendells and Grant gave it to him, FWIW. 
>
> 05. Shimano Deore FD M618 — $25
> This came off of my 2021 Riv-built Appaloosa and was used for about a 
> year. 
>
> 06. Shimano XT Deore V-brakes. BR-M739. One bikesworth — $75
> Dust boots included but not pictured. 
>
> 07. Outer Shell stem caddy — $40
> Great condition, some surface dirt, nbd. Nylon straps have been trimmed 
> and cuts melted. Long velcro stabilizer loop included (uncut). 
>
> 08. Suntour Sprint downtube shifters — $15
> The classic shifters that the Riv Silver V1s are based on. 
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Nitto Jitensha handlebar B2522

[jeffbog...@hotmail.com]

Bump and price drop to $25

On Saturday, 23 July 2022 at 11:01:49 UTC-5 jeffbog...@hotmail.com wrote:

> Original handlebars from Jitensha studios in Berkeley; great for a more 
> touring or city-friendly setup. These are a more compact version of the 
> Nitto Wavie bar. Asking $45, please send pm for interest. Thanks!
>
> • clamp: 26.0mm
> • width: 570mm
> • zero drop
> • reach: 25mm
> • back sweep: 45º
> • grip area/brake lever diameter: 22.2mm
> • weight: 260g
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