[RBW] Re: The Bombadil on Ebay

[Paul M]

Sure resembles the original Breezer Series 1mountain bikes. Diagonal tube, 
Magura motorcycle brake levers, TA Specialties crankset, Brooks B-72...nice!

On Wednesday, 21 December 2022 at 16:55:56 UTC-8 Luke Hendrickson wrote:

> Yes! Spoke to Bailey at Sincere Cycles here in Santa Fe about it. Wald 
> bars and John swapped the wheels off of his Hunq for now until another 
> set’s built up. Thank you for posting, Eric. I’m one of the non-IG ppl. 
>
> On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 4:34:23 PM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Update on Watson's Bombi: https://www.instagram.com/p/CmaZWguujlT/
>>
>> And a pic for those who don't do instagram!
>>
>> [image: Screen Shot 2022-12-21 at 6.33.15 PM.png]
>>
>> On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 2:17:22 PM UTC-5 bryan...@yahoo.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> For anyone that is interested, John Watson of the Radavist scooped up 
>>> this frame super quick (within a few minutes). I sent him a message as he 
>>> is building it up - it's going to get decked out in some very nice retro 
>>> parts as probably a trail centric build. Looking forward to seeing it done.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 2:13:00 AM UTC-5 foolis...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Wow, this has my silver Bombadil a tad envious. What a beautiful banana 
 frame! 

 Does anyone have more production details on the Bombadil? How many 
 frames were made? Mine has always been a machine of lore to me.



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Re: [RBW] Re: NorCal Cycling

[Philip Williamson]

I think Hwy 41 might be the NorCal/SoCal cutoff, which is weird, since like
all odd-numbered freeways, it’s technically a north-south road.

It angles in the west, but heads straight north in the east, putting Morro
Bay, Kettleman City, Fresno, and Yosemite and Lee Vining all on the
dividing line. Which I would accept. That feels pretty solid.

Philip
“The eights go east and the fives go north.”



On Wed, Dec 21, 2022 at 6:35 PM Mike Godwin  wrote:

> Vons on "The" 101 starts in Paso Robles, though I've never shopped there.
> I have shopped at the Safeway in Atascadero, SLO, King City, Salinas,
> Gilroy, Hollister, and Morgan Hill.
>
> Mike "no longer in "the" bay area Godwin SLO CA
> On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 2:33:26 PM UTC-8 George Schick wrote:
>
>> Wesley - thanks for the excellent information!  Yes, in the area where I
>> live - Northeastern Chicago suburbs - some of the stores owned by the now
>> defunct local chain "Dominick's" were taken over and remodeled by a more
>> local chain "Mariano's".  That chain has since been taken over by the the
>> Kroger dynasty and some of those grocery's are not fairing well.
>> Meanwhile, a larger local chain, "Jewell," has long since been taken over
>> by the massive Albertsons.  So a merger between those two conglomerates
>> comes as no surprise, though it does come with a bit of fear and loathing.
>> Once the two giants merge (assuming the FTC allows it) they can manipulate
>> pricing and availability all over the map.  I doubt that this would be a
>> good thing for the average consumer, but such seems to be the way things in
>> general retail are going nowadays.
>> George
>> P.S. Sorry this thread drifted from NoCal riding weather to the food
>> supply industry, but it's all good info.
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 4:06:49 PM UTC-6 Wesley wrote:
>>
>>> Oh, I almost forgot: two months ago, Kroger and Albertsons announced a
>>> plan to merge. They are the two biggest grocery chains in the US, and I do
>>> not know whether the federal government will try to stop the merger. In
>>> California, that would mean Ralphs would join the
>>> Vonn's/Safeway/Albertson's/Pavilion's family of brands. Here are lists of
>>> the stores that would be involved in the merger:
>>>
>>> [image: Screen Shot 2022-12-21 at 1.59.54 PM.png][image: Screen Shot
>>> 2022-12-21 at 1.59.40 PM.png]
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 1:51:32 PM UTC-8 Wesley wrote:
>>>
 George,
 When a two grocery chains merge to create a new, larger chain, they
 would prefer to close down any of their stores that compete with each other
 right away. It's the federal government that stops them, because then they
 could raise prices with less competition. So instead they underinvest in
 the stores they don't want. When they are required to sell some stores to a
 competitor, they do whatever they can to make sure those stores aren't
 successful for their new owners. Kroger and Albertsons both want to be
 monopolies, and they are good at pursuing that goal.
 -Wes

 On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 1:26:18 PM UTC-8 George Schick wrote:

> Wesley - thanks for that info.  It explains why we have had the
> closures of certain grocery stores in our area that have ultimately been
> taken over by larger chains, but retained their original identity.  But
> many of these "overtaken" groceries have eventually declined in product
> availability and produce value over time, which makes me wonder what the
> intent of the larger "take over" chain had in mind to begin with.  Unless
> their strategy may have been to take over all of the subordinate chain
> stores (required by law, as you say) and gradually ferret out the money
> losers as time goes along, eventually closing some of those stores and
> keeping others open.  I'm sure it's a difficult market strategy.
> On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 12:54:00 PM UTC-6 Wesley wrote:
>
>> The multiplicity is because when large grocery chains merge, the
>> federal government often requires the new, larger, chain to keep the
>> original stores open. In cases like where you now have two Safeways in 
>> the
>> same mall, Safeway will generally be required to sell one to a competitor
>> rather than close it. This is all part of an effort to avoid monopolies 
>> in
>> grocery stores.
>> -Wes
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 20, 2022 at 5:52:20 PM UTC-8 divis...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> 1-2) King City (on 101) and Fresno (on Hwy 99) appear to be the
>>> southernmost outposts of Safeway on major highways. It looks like Vons
>>> picks up in Bakersfield (99) and Goleta, outside Santa Barbara (101).
>>> Interstate 5 is on the dry west side of the San Joaquin Valley, so it
>>> doesn't really have much in the way of large towns or accompanying
>>> supermarkets; there's a Save Mart in Coalinga just 

Re: [RBW] Re: NorCal Cycling

[Mike Godwin]

Vons on "The" 101 starts in Paso Robles, though I've never shopped there. I 
have shopped at the Safeway in Atascadero, SLO, King City, Salinas, Gilroy, 
Hollister, and Morgan Hill.

Mike "no longer in "the" bay area Godwin SLO CA 
On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 2:33:26 PM UTC-8 George Schick wrote:

> Wesley - thanks for the excellent information!  Yes, in the area where I 
> live - Northeastern Chicago suburbs - some of the stores owned by the now 
> defunct local chain "Dominick's" were taken over and remodeled by a more 
> local chain "Mariano's".  That chain has since been taken over by the the 
> Kroger dynasty and some of those grocery's are not fairing well.  
> Meanwhile, a larger local chain, "Jewell," has long since been taken over 
> by the massive Albertsons.  So a merger between those two conglomerates 
> comes as no surprise, though it does come with a bit of fear and loathing.  
> Once the two giants merge (assuming the FTC allows it) they can manipulate 
> pricing and availability all over the map.  I doubt that this would be a 
> good thing for the average consumer, but such seems to be the way things in 
> general retail are going nowadays.
> George
> P.S. Sorry this thread drifted from NoCal riding weather to the food 
> supply industry, but it's all good info.
>
> On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 4:06:49 PM UTC-6 Wesley wrote:
>
>> Oh, I almost forgot: two months ago, Kroger and Albertsons announced a 
>> plan to merge. They are the two biggest grocery chains in the US, and I do 
>> not know whether the federal government will try to stop the merger. In 
>> California, that would mean Ralphs would join the 
>> Vonn's/Safeway/Albertson's/Pavilion's family of brands. Here are lists of 
>> the stores that would be involved in the merger:
>>
>> [image: Screen Shot 2022-12-21 at 1.59.54 PM.png][image: Screen Shot 
>> 2022-12-21 at 1.59.40 PM.png]
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 1:51:32 PM UTC-8 Wesley wrote:
>>
>>> George,
>>> When a two grocery chains merge to create a new, larger chain, they 
>>> would prefer to close down any of their stores that compete with each other 
>>> right away. It's the federal government that stops them, because then they 
>>> could raise prices with less competition. So instead they underinvest in 
>>> the stores they don't want. When they are required to sell some stores to a 
>>> competitor, they do whatever they can to make sure those stores aren't 
>>> successful for their new owners. Kroger and Albertsons both want to be 
>>> monopolies, and they are good at pursuing that goal.
>>> -Wes
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 1:26:18 PM UTC-8 George Schick wrote:
>>>
 Wesley - thanks for that info.  It explains why we have had the 
 closures of certain grocery stores in our area that have ultimately been 
 taken over by larger chains, but retained their original identity.  But 
 many of these "overtaken" groceries have eventually declined in product 
 availability and produce value over time, which makes me wonder what the 
 intent of the larger "take over" chain had in mind to begin with.  Unless 
 their strategy may have been to take over all of the subordinate chain 
 stores (required by law, as you say) and gradually ferret out the money 
 losers as time goes along, eventually closing some of those stores and 
 keeping others open.  I'm sure it's a difficult market strategy.
 On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 12:54:00 PM UTC-6 Wesley wrote:

> The multiplicity is because when large grocery chains merge, the 
> federal government often requires the new, larger, chain to keep the 
> original stores open. In cases like where you now have two Safeways in 
> the 
> same mall, Safeway will generally be required to sell one to a competitor 
> rather than close it. This is all part of an effort to avoid monopolies 
> in 
> grocery stores.
> -Wes
>
> On Tuesday, December 20, 2022 at 5:52:20 PM UTC-8 divis...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> 1-2) King City (on 101) and Fresno (on Hwy 99) appear to be the 
>> southernmost outposts of Safeway on major highways. It looks like Vons 
>> picks up in Bakersfield (99) and Goleta, outside Santa Barbara (101). 
>> Interstate 5 is on the dry west side of the San Joaquin Valley, so it 
>> doesn't really have much in the way of large towns or accompanying 
>> supermarkets; there's a Save Mart in Coalinga just off the highway, and 
>> another in Visalia on 99.
>>
>> Bakersfield has two Vons and three Wal-Marts.
>>
>> 3) Something similar happened up here in the Bay Area about 12 years 
>> ago, when a small local chain named Andronico's* went under. Safeway 
>> bought 
>> up all the Andronico's real estate and outstanding leases, converting 
>> the 
>> store on Shattuck Avenue in Berkeley's Gourmet Ghetto (across the street 
>> from Chez Panisse, in 

[RBW] Re: The Bombadil on Ebay

[Luke Hendrickson]

Yes! Spoke to Bailey at Sincere Cycles here in Santa Fe about it. Wald bars 
and John swapped the wheels off of his Hunq for now until another set’s 
built up. Thank you for posting, Eric. I’m one of the non-IG ppl. 

On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 4:34:23 PM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Update on Watson's Bombi: https://www.instagram.com/p/CmaZWguujlT/
>
> And a pic for those who don't do instagram!
>
> [image: Screen Shot 2022-12-21 at 6.33.15 PM.png]
>
> On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 2:17:22 PM UTC-5 bryan...@yahoo.com 
> wrote:
>
>> For anyone that is interested, John Watson of the Radavist scooped up 
>> this frame super quick (within a few minutes). I sent him a message as he 
>> is building it up - it's going to get decked out in some very nice retro 
>> parts as probably a trail centric build. Looking forward to seeing it done.
>>
>> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 2:13:00 AM UTC-5 foolis...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Wow, this has my silver Bombadil a tad envious. What a beautiful banana 
>>> frame! 
>>>
>>> Does anyone have more production details on the Bombadil? How many 
>>> frames were made? Mine has always been a machine of lore to me.
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: NorCal Cycling

[George Schick]

Wesley - thanks for the excellent information!  Yes, in the area where I 
live - Northeastern Chicago suburbs - some of the stores owned by the now 
defunct local chain "Dominick's" were taken over and remodeled by a more 
local chain "Mariano's".  That chain has since been taken over by the the 
Kroger dynasty and some of those grocery's are not fairing well.  
Meanwhile, a larger local chain, "Jewell," has long since been taken over 
by the massive Albertsons.  So a merger between those two conglomerates 
comes as no surprise, though it does come with a bit of fear and loathing.  
Once the two giants merge (assuming the FTC allows it) they can manipulate 
pricing and availability all over the map.  I doubt that this would be a 
good thing for the average consumer, but such seems to be the way things in 
general retail are going nowadays.
George
P.S. Sorry this thread drifted from NoCal riding weather to the food supply 
industry, but it's all good info.

On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 4:06:49 PM UTC-6 Wesley wrote:

> Oh, I almost forgot: two months ago, Kroger and Albertsons announced a 
> plan to merge. They are the two biggest grocery chains in the US, and I do 
> not know whether the federal government will try to stop the merger. In 
> California, that would mean Ralphs would join the 
> Vonn's/Safeway/Albertson's/Pavilion's family of brands. Here are lists of 
> the stores that would be involved in the merger:
>
> [image: Screen Shot 2022-12-21 at 1.59.54 PM.png][image: Screen Shot 
> 2022-12-21 at 1.59.40 PM.png]
>
> On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 1:51:32 PM UTC-8 Wesley wrote:
>
>> George,
>> When a two grocery chains merge to create a new, larger chain, they would 
>> prefer to close down any of their stores that compete with each other right 
>> away. It's the federal government that stops them, because then they could 
>> raise prices with less competition. So instead they underinvest in the 
>> stores they don't want. When they are required to sell some stores to a 
>> competitor, they do whatever they can to make sure those stores aren't 
>> successful for their new owners. Kroger and Albertsons both want to be 
>> monopolies, and they are good at pursuing that goal.
>> -Wes
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 1:26:18 PM UTC-8 George Schick wrote:
>>
>>> Wesley - thanks for that info.  It explains why we have had the closures 
>>> of certain grocery stores in our area that have ultimately been taken over 
>>> by larger chains, but retained their original identity.  But many of these 
>>> "overtaken" groceries have eventually declined in product availability and 
>>> produce value over time, which makes me wonder what the intent of the 
>>> larger "take over" chain had in mind to begin with.  Unless their strategy 
>>> may have been to take over all of the subordinate chain stores (required by 
>>> law, as you say) and gradually ferret out the money losers as time goes 
>>> along, eventually closing some of those stores and keeping others open.  
>>> I'm sure it's a difficult market strategy.
>>> On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 12:54:00 PM UTC-6 Wesley wrote:
>>>
 The multiplicity is because when large grocery chains merge, the 
 federal government often requires the new, larger, chain to keep the 
 original stores open. In cases like where you now have two Safeways in the 
 same mall, Safeway will generally be required to sell one to a competitor 
 rather than close it. This is all part of an effort to avoid monopolies in 
 grocery stores.
 -Wes

 On Tuesday, December 20, 2022 at 5:52:20 PM UTC-8 divis...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> 1-2) King City (on 101) and Fresno (on Hwy 99) appear to be the 
> southernmost outposts of Safeway on major highways. It looks like Vons 
> picks up in Bakersfield (99) and Goleta, outside Santa Barbara (101). 
> Interstate 5 is on the dry west side of the San Joaquin Valley, so it 
> doesn't really have much in the way of large towns or accompanying 
> supermarkets; there's a Save Mart in Coalinga just off the highway, and 
> another in Visalia on 99.
>
> Bakersfield has two Vons and three Wal-Marts.
>
> 3) Something similar happened up here in the Bay Area about 12 years 
> ago, when a small local chain named Andronico's* went under. Safeway 
> bought 
> up all the Andronico's real estate and outstanding leases, converting the 
> store on Shattuck Avenue in Berkeley's Gourmet Ghetto (across the street 
> from Chez Panisse, in the same block as the Cheese Board, two blocks from 
> the Mother Peet's) into a Safeway in spite of the fact that Safeway owned 
> a 
> newly redeveloped store one block away. Continuing further along Shattuck 
> through the Solano Tunnel to Solano Avenue, there's an 
> Andronico's-turned-Safeway about one mile away (north, roughly) from the 
> original Shattuck Safeway. Then, continuing west 

Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell-esq fat bike

[Joe Bernard]

Tom, the OP is Joe D. and is specifically shopping for a fatbike. My thread 
on internet-bob was about whether a fatbike would work for me, I've decided 
it won't. 

Joe Bernard with a B 

On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 11:56:57 AM UTC-8 Tom Palmer wrote:

> I agree with Hoch- the Ritchey Commando is Riv-esque and rides very well. 
> I have had several fat tire bikes from low end to high end and it just has 
> the ride. Good tires help any fat bike in particular. Schwalbe Jumbo Jims 
> in particular work for me. 
> In keeping with the spirit of Joes' ask- a dual suspension mountain bike 
> is smoother than a fat tire bike even with good tires and dialed pressure. 
> I have some inflammation issues and the dually has allowed me to ride 
> rough trails in comfort during the ride and feel good the next day also. 
>
> Tom Palmer
> Twin Lake, MI
>
> On Tuesday, December 20, 2022 at 6:24:50 PM UTC-5 Hoch in ut wrote:
>
>>
>> I’ve owned a number of fat bikes. One I thought was the most Riv-esque 
>> was the Ritchey Commando. I don’t think they make them anymore. But you may 
>> be able to find a used one. They rode fantastic. Chainstays were relatively 
>> long. 
>> Regarding chainstays, it was just fine in snow. Mike C’s point of short 
>> stays has some merit, but remember it’s just one guy’s opinion. He’s also 
>> said in the past that rigid and hard tail bikes were useless and 
>> full-suspension was the only way to go. I wholeheartedly disagreed with 
>> that. 
>> If you ever meet him, ask what he thinks of lugged steel rigid frames 
>> with rim brakes! 
>> Don’t put much weight of what he or others say. Go test it out for 
>> yourself. 
>> On Tuesday, December 20, 2022 at 3:04:21 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> For the record I'm not the OP, which is why Keith deleted the post 
>>> you're replying to. Fortunately his info was helpful anyway, but Joe B. who 
>>> started a fatbike thread on internet-bob is not Joe D. who started this 
>>> one! 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, December 20, 2022 at 12:16:48 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 Not to crowed Joe's questions, but this answers many of my questions 
 about fatbikes too; and I didn't know that there are 3.25 and 3.5 650B 
 tires. So thanks Keith for this detail. I've already found that no Riv can 
 take full 3"/76 mm 700C tires, alas.


 On Thu, Dec 15, 2022 at 7:06 PM iamkeith  wrote:

> Joe,
>
> before throwing in my 2 cents, I want to acknowledge that this is not 
> really answering your questions but, instead, telling you to do something 
> different.   I usually get annoyed when people answer a direct question 
> with "you don't need that" but, in this case, my friend, I know enough 
> about you and your bike-purchase-and-subsequent-regret habits to want to 
> save you some hassle.  Others have already mentioned a couple of the 
> ideas 
> I was going to offer, but here it is with more explanation:
>
> I haven't read through  your other ibob thread completely, but do 
> understand that much of your interest comes from wanting to relieve wrist 
> discomfort - especially on rough trails..  So this response is partly in 
> consideration of that question.
>
>
> *"Novelty" concerns:* I was a pretty early adopter of fat bikes. 
> They're the only kind of bike I can even ride for fully 6 months of the 
> year or more, due to the amount of snow where I live. (Along with 
> northern 
> Minnesota and Anchorage, my area - the sister communities of Teton County 
> Idaho and Teton County Wyoming - were where much of the early fatbike 
> development occurred.) For a number of years around 2010 or so, I rode a 
> fat bike almost exclusively, all year. I liked it for it's 
> back-to-basics, 
> monster-truck, roll-over-anything simplicity. But, even for an 
> retro-grouch 
> like me who lives in a place where they make complete sense, that appeal 
> eventually wore off and I now only ride it when no other bike will work. 
> Most people who get fat bikes enjoy the novelty for an even shorter 
> period 
> of time. They eventually tire of the extra rolling resistance and 
> steering 
> compromises and increased q- factor and mechanical complications and 
> weight. Then they quit riding them. 
>
> *Tire Size considerations*: Keep in mind that there have been HUGE 
> advances in tire manufacturing and technology since (and because) 26" fat 
> bike tires were invented - even though that wasn't all that long ago. 
> 2008, 
> maybe? Much of what made 26x4 tires work so well was their diameter, 
> which 
> was similar to the not-much-older 29er development. But, unless you 
> really 
> plan on riding in loose sand or deep snow most of the time, there is no 
> longer any advantage to 4" tires. There are now some 650b semi-fat tires 
> that give you almost 

Re: [RBW] Re: NorCal Cycling

[Wesley]

George,
When a two grocery chains merge to create a new, larger chain, they would 
prefer to close down any of their stores that compete with each other right 
away. It's the federal government that stops them, because then they could 
raise prices with less competition. So instead they underinvest in the 
stores they don't want. When they are required to sell some stores to a 
competitor, they do whatever they can to make sure those stores aren't 
successful for their new owners. Kroger and Albertsons both want to be 
monopolies, and they are good at pursuing that goal.
-Wes

On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 1:26:18 PM UTC-8 George Schick wrote:

> Wesley - thanks for that info.  It explains why we have had the closures 
> of certain grocery stores in our area that have ultimately been taken over 
> by larger chains, but retained their original identity.  But many of these 
> "overtaken" groceries have eventually declined in product availability and 
> produce value over time, which makes me wonder what the intent of the 
> larger "take over" chain had in mind to begin with.  Unless their strategy 
> may have been to take over all of the subordinate chain stores (required by 
> law, as you say) and gradually ferret out the money losers as time goes 
> along, eventually closing some of those stores and keeping others open.  
> I'm sure it's a difficult market strategy.
> On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 12:54:00 PM UTC-6 Wesley wrote:
>
>> The multiplicity is because when large grocery chains merge, the federal 
>> government often requires the new, larger, chain to keep the original 
>> stores open. In cases like where you now have two Safeways in the same 
>> mall, Safeway will generally be required to sell one to a competitor rather 
>> than close it. This is all part of an effort to avoid monopolies in grocery 
>> stores.
>> -Wes
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 20, 2022 at 5:52:20 PM UTC-8 divis...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> 1-2) King City (on 101) and Fresno (on Hwy 99) appear to be the 
>>> southernmost outposts of Safeway on major highways. It looks like Vons 
>>> picks up in Bakersfield (99) and Goleta, outside Santa Barbara (101). 
>>> Interstate 5 is on the dry west side of the San Joaquin Valley, so it 
>>> doesn't really have much in the way of large towns or accompanying 
>>> supermarkets; there's a Save Mart in Coalinga just off the highway, and 
>>> another in Visalia on 99.
>>>
>>> Bakersfield has two Vons and three Wal-Marts.
>>>
>>> 3) Something similar happened up here in the Bay Area about 12 years 
>>> ago, when a small local chain named Andronico's* went under. Safeway bought 
>>> up all the Andronico's real estate and outstanding leases, converting the 
>>> store on Shattuck Avenue in Berkeley's Gourmet Ghetto (across the street 
>>> from Chez Panisse, in the same block as the Cheese Board, two blocks from 
>>> the Mother Peet's) into a Safeway in spite of the fact that Safeway owned a 
>>> newly redeveloped store one block away. Continuing further along Shattuck 
>>> through the Solano Tunnel to Solano Avenue, there's an 
>>> Andronico's-turned-Safeway about one mile away (north, roughly) from the 
>>> original Shattuck Safeway. Then, continuing west along Solano into 
>>> neighboring Albany, there's a Safeway that was always a Safeway one mile 
>>> west of the Upper Solano ex-Andronico's Safeway.
>>>
>>> I find the logic of this multiplicity confusing. And to top it off, one 
>>> mile north of the Lower Solano Safeway is El Cerrito Plaza, which contains 
>>> a Lucky's Supermarket - a chain which, like Safeway, is owned by the 
>>> Albertson's Group. The former Andronico'ses in Berkeley have been rebranded 
>>> as "Andronico's Community Markets", but the merch is much the same as the 
>>> alternating Safeways, and the same newspaper sales prices apply.
>>>
>>> If Kroger and Albertson's merge, then it'll be Buy n Large from coast to 
>>> coast outside the southeast.
>>>
>>> *originally based in SF's Inner Sunset district; they'd bought up a few 
>>> other local chains, including the two stores that the Berkeley Co-op owned 
>>> outright when they shut down in 1988 - the original store on University 
>>> Avenue (my home store, where my dad was a board member and the newspaper 
>>> publisher in the 60s) and the fancy store on Shattuck in the Gourmet 
>>> Ghetto. The land was worth more than the organization; the 99-year lease 
>>> for the Telegraph/Ashby store was sold to Whole Foods
>>>
>>> Peter "the old story was that the frontier was the Tehachapi" Adler
>>> *plus ça change, plus c'est la même supermarché *en
>>> Berkeley, CA/USA
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, December 20, 2022 at 4:06:52 PM UTC-8 Jimmy Warren wrote:
>>>
 When a Mason-Dixon line needs to be established in CA, it'll be called 
 the Safeway-Vons line.

 Quiz: for any major north-south freeway or highway, what are the two 
 cities that straddle the Safeway-Vons line?

 Related question: King City: 

Re: [RBW] Re: NorCal Cycling

[George Schick]

Wesley - thanks for that info.  It explains why we have had the closures of 
certain grocery stores in our area that have ultimately been taken over by 
larger chains, but retained their original identity.  But many of these 
"overtaken" groceries have eventually declined in product availability and 
produce value over time, which makes me wonder what the intent of the 
larger "take over" chain had in mind to begin with.  Unless their strategy 
may have been to take over all of the subordinate chain stores (required by 
law, as you say) and gradually ferret out the money losers as time goes 
along, eventually closing some of those stores and keeping others open.  
I'm sure it's a difficult market strategy.
On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 12:54:00 PM UTC-6 Wesley wrote:

> The multiplicity is because when large grocery chains merge, the federal 
> government often requires the new, larger, chain to keep the original 
> stores open. In cases like where you now have two Safeways in the same 
> mall, Safeway will generally be required to sell one to a competitor rather 
> than close it. This is all part of an effort to avoid monopolies in grocery 
> stores.
> -Wes
>
> On Tuesday, December 20, 2022 at 5:52:20 PM UTC-8 divis...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> 1-2) King City (on 101) and Fresno (on Hwy 99) appear to be the 
>> southernmost outposts of Safeway on major highways. It looks like Vons 
>> picks up in Bakersfield (99) and Goleta, outside Santa Barbara (101). 
>> Interstate 5 is on the dry west side of the San Joaquin Valley, so it 
>> doesn't really have much in the way of large towns or accompanying 
>> supermarkets; there's a Save Mart in Coalinga just off the highway, and 
>> another in Visalia on 99.
>>
>> Bakersfield has two Vons and three Wal-Marts.
>>
>> 3) Something similar happened up here in the Bay Area about 12 years ago, 
>> when a small local chain named Andronico's* went under. Safeway bought up 
>> all the Andronico's real estate and outstanding leases, converting the 
>> store on Shattuck Avenue in Berkeley's Gourmet Ghetto (across the street 
>> from Chez Panisse, in the same block as the Cheese Board, two blocks from 
>> the Mother Peet's) into a Safeway in spite of the fact that Safeway owned a 
>> newly redeveloped store one block away. Continuing further along Shattuck 
>> through the Solano Tunnel to Solano Avenue, there's an 
>> Andronico's-turned-Safeway about one mile away (north, roughly) from the 
>> original Shattuck Safeway. Then, continuing west along Solano into 
>> neighboring Albany, there's a Safeway that was always a Safeway one mile 
>> west of the Upper Solano ex-Andronico's Safeway.
>>
>> I find the logic of this multiplicity confusing. And to top it off, one 
>> mile north of the Lower Solano Safeway is El Cerrito Plaza, which contains 
>> a Lucky's Supermarket - a chain which, like Safeway, is owned by the 
>> Albertson's Group. The former Andronico'ses in Berkeley have been rebranded 
>> as "Andronico's Community Markets", but the merch is much the same as the 
>> alternating Safeways, and the same newspaper sales prices apply.
>>
>> If Kroger and Albertson's merge, then it'll be Buy n Large from coast to 
>> coast outside the southeast.
>>
>> *originally based in SF's Inner Sunset district; they'd bought up a few 
>> other local chains, including the two stores that the Berkeley Co-op owned 
>> outright when they shut down in 1988 - the original store on University 
>> Avenue (my home store, where my dad was a board member and the newspaper 
>> publisher in the 60s) and the fancy store on Shattuck in the Gourmet 
>> Ghetto. The land was worth more than the organization; the 99-year lease 
>> for the Telegraph/Ashby store was sold to Whole Foods
>>
>> Peter "the old story was that the frontier was the Tehachapi" Adler
>> *plus ça change, plus c'est la même supermarché *en
>> Berkeley, CA/USA
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 20, 2022 at 4:06:52 PM UTC-8 Jimmy Warren wrote:
>>
>>> When a Mason-Dixon line needs to be established in CA, it'll be called 
>>> the Safeway-Vons line.
>>>
>>> Quiz: for any major north-south freeway or highway, what are the two 
>>> cities that straddle the Safeway-Vons line?
>>>
>>> Related question: King City: which store do they have?
>>>
>>> Related Cliff Claven Trivia: when I was a kid growing up in Los Angeles 
>>> and San Diego suburbs, Vons and Safeway were two different stores. In 1989 
>>> they merged, and all of our Southern California Safeways got renamed Vons. 
>>> So many of our suburban shopping centers ended up with two Vons's as 
>>> anchors on either end when it used to be Safeway at one end and Vons at the 
>>> other.
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell-esq fat bike

[Tom Palmer]

I agree with Hoch- the Ritchey Commando is Riv-esque and rides very well. I 
have had several fat tire bikes from low end to high end and it just has 
the ride. Good tires help any fat bike in particular. Schwalbe Jumbo Jims 
in particular work for me. 
In keeping with the spirit of Joes' ask- a dual suspension mountain bike is 
smoother than a fat tire bike even with good tires and dialed pressure. 
I have some inflammation issues and the dually has allowed me to ride rough 
trails in comfort during the ride and feel good the next day also. 

Tom Palmer
Twin Lake, MI

On Tuesday, December 20, 2022 at 6:24:50 PM UTC-5 Hoch in ut wrote:

>
> I’ve owned a number of fat bikes. One I thought was the most Riv-esque was 
> the Ritchey Commando. I don’t think they make them anymore. But you may be 
> able to find a used one. They rode fantastic. Chainstays were relatively 
> long. 
> Regarding chainstays, it was just fine in snow. Mike C’s point of short 
> stays has some merit, but remember it’s just one guy’s opinion. He’s also 
> said in the past that rigid and hard tail bikes were useless and 
> full-suspension was the only way to go. I wholeheartedly disagreed with 
> that. 
> If you ever meet him, ask what he thinks of lugged steel rigid frames with 
> rim brakes! 
> Don’t put much weight of what he or others say. Go test it out for 
> yourself. 
> On Tuesday, December 20, 2022 at 3:04:21 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> For the record I'm not the OP, which is why Keith deleted the post you're 
>> replying to. Fortunately his info was helpful anyway, but Joe B. who 
>> started a fatbike thread on internet-bob is not Joe D. who started this 
>> one! 
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 20, 2022 at 12:16:48 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Not to crowed Joe's questions, but this answers many of my questions 
>>> about fatbikes too; and I didn't know that there are 3.25 and 3.5 650B 
>>> tires. So thanks Keith for this detail. I've already found that no Riv can 
>>> take full 3"/76 mm 700C tires, alas.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 15, 2022 at 7:06 PM iamkeith  wrote:
>>>
 Joe,

 before throwing in my 2 cents, I want to acknowledge that this is not 
 really answering your questions but, instead, telling you to do something 
 different.   I usually get annoyed when people answer a direct question 
 with "you don't need that" but, in this case, my friend, I know enough 
 about you and your bike-purchase-and-subsequent-regret habits to want to 
 save you some hassle.  Others have already mentioned a couple of the ideas 
 I was going to offer, but here it is with more explanation:

 I haven't read through  your other ibob thread completely, but do 
 understand that much of your interest comes from wanting to relieve wrist 
 discomfort - especially on rough trails..  So this response is partly in 
 consideration of that question.


 *"Novelty" concerns:* I was a pretty early adopter of fat bikes. 
 They're the only kind of bike I can even ride for fully 6 months of the 
 year or more, due to the amount of snow where I live. (Along with northern 
 Minnesota and Anchorage, my area - the sister communities of Teton County 
 Idaho and Teton County Wyoming - were where much of the early fatbike 
 development occurred.) For a number of years around 2010 or so, I rode a 
 fat bike almost exclusively, all year. I liked it for it's back-to-basics, 
 monster-truck, roll-over-anything simplicity. But, even for an 
 retro-grouch 
 like me who lives in a place where they make complete sense, that appeal 
 eventually wore off and I now only ride it when no other bike will work. 
 Most people who get fat bikes enjoy the novelty for an even shorter period 
 of time. They eventually tire of the extra rolling resistance and steering 
 compromises and increased q- factor and mechanical complications and 
 weight. Then they quit riding them. 

 *Tire Size considerations*: Keep in mind that there have been HUGE 
 advances in tire manufacturing and technology since (and because) 26" fat 
 bike tires were invented - even though that wasn't all that long ago. 
 2008, 
 maybe? Much of what made 26x4 tires work so well was their diameter, which 
 was similar to the not-much-older 29er development. But, unless you really 
 plan on riding in loose sand or deep snow most of the time, there is no 
 longer any advantage to 4" tires. There are now some 650b semi-fat tires 
 that give you almost all of the advantages of 26x4 with none of the 
 problems. If you think about it, there's nothing more "rivendell-esqe" 
 than 
 650b, right? They wouldn't even exist if it wasn't for Rivendell! 

 *Regarding suspension and bounciness*: The best thing about fat bikes 
 is that they eliminate the need for suspension for most "normal" riding. 
 But it takes a lot of effort to 

Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell-esq fat bike

[Bob]

Thank you, Robert. 185 mm is good, considering the tire clearance of the 
Prospector.

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On Tuesday, December 20, 2022 at 11:21:02 PM UTC-7 Robert Tilley wrote:

> I just measured my Prospector with Rohloff and measured a Q of 185 mm. I 
> could likely shave a few mm off with with a different crank.
>
> Robert Tilley
> San Diego, CA
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 20, 2022, at 1:33 PM, Bob  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Patrick,
>
> I do not, sorry to say. Would like to have those data myself. Anyone here 
> have a Prospector, a caliper, and a few minutes to take measurements?
>
> --
> Bob
>
> On Tuesday, December 20, 2022 at 1:17:49 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Bob: Do you know how low a Q you can get on the Prospector, Scapegoat, 
>> Chimera and Bull Thistle, particularly with a single speed drivetrain (if 
>> any accept a ss drivetrain)? I've stayed away from Pugsleys etc because of 
>> the Q but if one can be built as a ss with a Q of no more than 160 I'd be 
>> very interested for our local sandy trails. As it is, I've been thinking of 
>> a 29er+ replacement for my Monocog 29er on which the rear 71 mm WTB ranger 
>> rubs the stays in corners but fat would be even better if the Q could be 
>> sorted. 
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 15, 2022 at 6:12 PM Bob  wrote:
>>
>>> Joe,
>>>
>>> The final iteration of Surly's Pugsley had 460 mm chainstays and 
>>> accepted 4.8 in. tires "with drivetrain restrictions." It also had a 72° 
>>> seat tube angle, which would feel a little more relaxed and Rivish than the 
>>> steeper angles on MTBs these days.
>>>
>>> The Tumbleweed Prospector and the Crust Scapegoat max out at 4.0 in. 
>>> tires, I think, but have 73 mm bottom brackets for a more comfortable Q 
>>> factor. (I ride a Pugsley, and have a limited tolerance for the 200 mm Q 
>>> factor.)
>>>
>>> If you go custom, Myth Cycles in Durango CO has the Chimera (
>>> https://mythcycles.com/bikes/chimera/). The listed geometry is shorter 
>>> in chainstay and wheelbase than you want, evidently the design allows a 
>>> narrower Q than usual for a fatbike while also accommodating 4.8 in. tires.
>>>
>>> That Tanglefoot Bull Thistle, though… wow. They present it as a 
>>> drop-bar-specific design, but the top tube and reach are long enough to 
>>> work with an upright bar, I think. Limited to 4.0 in. tires, but the bottom 
>>> bracket is 83 mm so the Q factor will be narrower than most fatbikes. The 
>>> angles (ST 71°, HT 69.5°) rather Riv-like, and the lugs—the LUGS!
>>>
>>> I'm curious to see how your quest plays out.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Bob
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: NorCal Cycling

[Wesley]

The multiplicity is because when large grocery chains merge, the federal 
government often requires the new, larger, chain to keep the original 
stores open. In cases like where you now have two Safeways in the same 
mall, Safeway will generally be required to sell one to a competitor rather 
than close it. This is all part of an effort to avoid monopolies in grocery 
stores.
-Wes

On Tuesday, December 20, 2022 at 5:52:20 PM UTC-8 divis...@gmail.com wrote:

> 1-2) King City (on 101) and Fresno (on Hwy 99) appear to be the 
> southernmost outposts of Safeway on major highways. It looks like Vons 
> picks up in Bakersfield (99) and Goleta, outside Santa Barbara (101). 
> Interstate 5 is on the dry west side of the San Joaquin Valley, so it 
> doesn't really have much in the way of large towns or accompanying 
> supermarkets; there's a Save Mart in Coalinga just off the highway, and 
> another in Visalia on 99.
>
> Bakersfield has two Vons and three Wal-Marts.
>
> 3) Something similar happened up here in the Bay Area about 12 years ago, 
> when a small local chain named Andronico's* went under. Safeway bought up 
> all the Andronico's real estate and outstanding leases, converting the 
> store on Shattuck Avenue in Berkeley's Gourmet Ghetto (across the street 
> from Chez Panisse, in the same block as the Cheese Board, two blocks from 
> the Mother Peet's) into a Safeway in spite of the fact that Safeway owned a 
> newly redeveloped store one block away. Continuing further along Shattuck 
> through the Solano Tunnel to Solano Avenue, there's an 
> Andronico's-turned-Safeway about one mile away (north, roughly) from the 
> original Shattuck Safeway. Then, continuing west along Solano into 
> neighboring Albany, there's a Safeway that was always a Safeway one mile 
> west of the Upper Solano ex-Andronico's Safeway.
>
> I find the logic of this multiplicity confusing. And to top it off, one 
> mile north of the Lower Solano Safeway is El Cerrito Plaza, which contains 
> a Lucky's Supermarket - a chain which, like Safeway, is owned by the 
> Albertson's Group. The former Andronico'ses in Berkeley have been rebranded 
> as "Andronico's Community Markets", but the merch is much the same as the 
> alternating Safeways, and the same newspaper sales prices apply.
>
> If Kroger and Albertson's merge, then it'll be Buy n Large from coast to 
> coast outside the southeast.
>
> *originally based in SF's Inner Sunset district; they'd bought up a few 
> other local chains, including the two stores that the Berkeley Co-op owned 
> outright when they shut down in 1988 - the original store on University 
> Avenue (my home store, where my dad was a board member and the newspaper 
> publisher in the 60s) and the fancy store on Shattuck in the Gourmet 
> Ghetto. The land was worth more than the organization; the 99-year lease 
> for the Telegraph/Ashby store was sold to Whole Foods
>
> Peter "the old story was that the frontier was the Tehachapi" Adler
> *plus ça change, plus c'est la même supermarché *en
> Berkeley, CA/USA
>
> On Tuesday, December 20, 2022 at 4:06:52 PM UTC-8 Jimmy Warren wrote:
>
>> When a Mason-Dixon line needs to be established in CA, it'll be called 
>> the Safeway-Vons line.
>>
>> Quiz: for any major north-south freeway or highway, what are the two 
>> cities that straddle the Safeway-Vons line?
>>
>> Related question: King City: which store do they have?
>>
>> Related Cliff Claven Trivia: when I was a kid growing up in Los Angeles 
>> and San Diego suburbs, Vons and Safeway were two different stores. In 1989 
>> they merged, and all of our Southern California Safeways got renamed Vons. 
>> So many of our suburban shopping centers ended up with two Vons's as 
>> anchors on either end when it used to be Safeway at one end and Vons at the 
>> other.
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Will's Roadini SS

[Slin]

> I first tried a dedicated SS build on an old curbside rescue road bike 
after a couple longer/hillier local rides where I just didn't shift and 
realized those were some of my most enjoyable rides to date.

This got me picturing Leah, aka BicycleBelleDingDing, with a third 
Platypus, set up SS or fixed... and maybe bringing it on a club ride 
sometime.

On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 8:13:23 AM UTC-8 Coal Bee Rye Anne wrote:

> I've grown to appreciate both SS and fixed riding.  I had a whole separate 
> draft reply started the other day on this thread but it kind of started 
> going off the rails and deleted probably for the best.  I first tried a 
> dedicated SS build on an old curbside rescue road bike after a couple 
> longer/hillier local rides where I just didn't shift and realized those 
> were some of my most enjoyable rides to date (~10yrs ago at the time.)  
> That rescued road bike was only my second bike and first actual road bike, 
> complementing my old rigid 26" MTB.  I put enough work into it to get it 
> rolling with the original 2x6 (stock 52-40 x 14-28) drivetrain and downtube 
> shifters and enjoyed the luxury of bar/stem swapping with no shifters or 
> excess cabling to address.  Those memorable no-shift, rolling, road rides I 
> think I stayed in the 40x17 or 40x15, so when I later settled on a rebuild 
> plan and drivetrain update for what was meant to remain a geared road bike 
> I also took the opportunity to acquire a true SS rear wheel to ride while 
> obtaining the rest of the build parts and/or cleaning/servicing whatever 
> I'd reuse for the geared build.  There's a lot more to the story on this 
> particular build, it's ultimate demise, and my personal evolution into DIY 
> bike tinkering, finding my way here and to iBob, etc. which I will spare at 
> this time, but that period of interim single speeding definitely converted 
> me to a SS/fixed fan and I'd echo many comments and thoughts already added 
> here and in Will's blog post.
>
> I now mix fixed and SS to a great degree and similar to Andrew, I also 
> enjoy SS freewheeling on some of those longer/hillier rides (when time 
> permits for more adventurous outings) and won't attempt to restate what he 
> has already described so well.
> One thing I will mention is when I did eventually try fixed for the first 
> time, I found it to be equally exhilarating and nerve wracking, and kind of 
> felt like re-learning how to ride a bike in a way, having never been 
> directly attached to a drivetrain like that and unlearning decades of 
> coasting habits!   I now really enjoy the feel of fixed for much of my 
> local riding and expect to keep it in rotation with 2 different flip flop 
> wheels on hand.
>
> To Patrick's note on using fixed cogs on standard freewheel threading... 
> aren't traditional cup/cone bottom bracket lockrings the same threading 
> (for the most part) and is there any value in using one of those for extra 
> security or is the same direction threading pretty much render them useless 
> vs. the force that may be applied with firm backpedaling?  This is more a 
> curiosity whether anyone has had success or failure attempting this... and 
> I forget the name for it but the chain wrap around the bottom bracket trick 
> I also recall reading/viewing somewhere to tighten or help loosen stubborn 
> fixed cogs with wheel mounted and bike flipped over... roto-fix or 
> something, was that it?
>
> Brian Cole
>
> On Tuesday, December 20, 2022 at 3:16:08 PM UTC-5 andyree...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Fixed gear riding keeps you on your toes especially around traffic. It's 
>> a fantastic feeling having the bike instantly react with your fast twitch 
>> muscles that keeps you really focused on the 'now.' I also think it makes 
>> you a way better driver because it teaches you to scan your surroundings 
>> efficiently. Single speed is much more relaxing and cathartic, and IMO 
>> better suited for longer, hillier rides. My favorite things in life are the 
>> ones you don't notice you're using and riding single speed puts a sorta 
>> invisible shroud over your bike, leaving you to enjoy the scenery more and 
>> think about your bike, less. 
>>
>> I'll definitely be going back and forth between 8 speed downtube shifting 
>> and SS on my new Roadini thanks to Will's post...at least until my knees 
>> start to complain. 
>>
>> Andrew 
>> TN
>>
>>
>> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 2:02:46 PM UTC-6 bmfo...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I rode fixed when I first got into cycling. Now 75% or so of my bikes 
>>> are single speeds and I have no fixed gears. The main thing I like about SS 
>>> vs fixed is being able to have my feet/cranks in the ideal position 
>>> whenever I want. Also yeah, coasting rules.
>>>
>>> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 1:30:55 PM UTC-6 Wesley wrote:
>>>
 Hi John,
 You're missing out on coasting! I tried fixed-gear once and can't 
 imagine why it became a popular way to ride around 2010. 

[RBW] Re: Will's Roadini SS

[Coal Bee Rye Anne]

I've grown to appreciate both SS and fixed riding.  I had a whole separate 
draft reply started the other day on this thread but it kind of started 
going off the rails and deleted probably for the best.  I first tried a 
dedicated SS build on an old curbside rescue road bike after a couple 
longer/hillier local rides where I just didn't shift and realized those 
were some of my most enjoyable rides to date (~10yrs ago at the time.)  
That rescued road bike was only my second bike and first actual road bike, 
complementing my old rigid 26" MTB.  I put enough work into it to get it 
rolling with the original 2x6 (stock 52-40 x 14-28) drivetrain and downtube 
shifters and enjoyed the luxury of bar/stem swapping with no shifters or 
excess cabling to address.  Those memorable no-shift, rolling, road rides I 
think I stayed in the 40x17 or 40x15, so when I later settled on a rebuild 
plan and drivetrain update for what was meant to remain a geared road bike 
I also took the opportunity to acquire a true SS rear wheel to ride while 
obtaining the rest of the build parts and/or cleaning/servicing whatever 
I'd reuse for the geared build.  There's a lot more to the story on this 
particular build, it's ultimate demise, and my personal evolution into DIY 
bike tinkering, finding my way here and to iBob, etc. which I will spare at 
this time, but that period of interim single speeding definitely converted 
me to a SS/fixed fan and I'd echo many comments and thoughts already added 
here and in Will's blog post.

I now mix fixed and SS to a great degree and similar to Andrew, I also 
enjoy SS freewheeling on some of those longer/hillier rides (when time 
permits for more adventurous outings) and won't attempt to restate what he 
has already described so well.
One thing I will mention is when I did eventually try fixed for the first 
time, I found it to be equally exhilarating and nerve wracking, and kind of 
felt like re-learning how to ride a bike in a way, having never been 
directly attached to a drivetrain like that and unlearning decades of 
coasting habits!   I now really enjoy the feel of fixed for much of my 
local riding and expect to keep it in rotation with 2 different flip flop 
wheels on hand.

To Patrick's note on using fixed cogs on standard freewheel threading... 
aren't traditional cup/cone bottom bracket lockrings the same threading 
(for the most part) and is there any value in using one of those for extra 
security or is the same direction threading pretty much render them useless 
vs. the force that may be applied with firm backpedaling?  This is more a 
curiosity whether anyone has had success or failure attempting this... and 
I forget the name for it but the chain wrap around the bottom bracket trick 
I also recall reading/viewing somewhere to tighten or help loosen stubborn 
fixed cogs with wheel mounted and bike flipped over... roto-fix or 
something, was that it?

Brian Cole

On Tuesday, December 20, 2022 at 3:16:08 PM UTC-5 andyree...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Fixed gear riding keeps you on your toes especially around traffic. It's a 
> fantastic feeling having the bike instantly react with your fast twitch 
> muscles that keeps you really focused on the 'now.' I also think it makes 
> you a way better driver because it teaches you to scan your surroundings 
> efficiently. Single speed is much more relaxing and cathartic, and IMO 
> better suited for longer, hillier rides. My favorite things in life are the 
> ones you don't notice you're using and riding single speed puts a sorta 
> invisible shroud over your bike, leaving you to enjoy the scenery more and 
> think about your bike, less. 
>
> I'll definitely be going back and forth between 8 speed downtube shifting 
> and SS on my new Roadini thanks to Will's post...at least until my knees 
> start to complain. 
>
> Andrew 
> TN
>
>
> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 2:02:46 PM UTC-6 bmfo...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I rode fixed when I first got into cycling. Now 75% or so of my bikes are 
>> single speeds and I have no fixed gears. The main thing I like about SS vs 
>> fixed is being able to have my feet/cranks in the ideal position whenever I 
>> want. Also yeah, coasting rules.
>>
>> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 1:30:55 PM UTC-6 Wesley wrote:
>>
>>> Hi John,
>>> You're missing out on coasting! I tried fixed-gear once and can't 
>>> imagine why it became a popular way to ride around 2010. Especially if your 
>>> single speed is geared low for climbing, it is a relief to be able to relax 
>>> on the descent.
>>> -Wes
>>>
>>> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 9:11:03 AM UTC-8 JohnS wrote:
>>>
 Hello Ryan,

 I'm very inspired my Will's Roadini build as well. I haven't done much 
 SS riding, I'm more of a fixed or multi-gear rider. How do people feel 
 about SS vs. fixed? Am I missing something by not riding SS some of the 
 time?

 Thanks,
 JohnS


 On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 10:57:35 AM UTC-5 

[RBW] Re: FS: Smartwool baselayers, English wool sweater

[Eric Marth]

LL Bean sweater is sold pending payment. 

Smartwool still available. 

On Tuesday, December 20, 2022 at 9:35:57 PM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:

> Hello — My wool purge continues. Prices are net to me and do not include 
> shipping. Thanks!
>
> [image: gray.jpg]
>
> *Smartwool gray quarter zip baselayer — $40*
> It's gray, 100% merino, labeled a large. Likely the 250g weight. Has a 
> hole on the front, left of abdomen area, about dime-sized. 
>
> [image: black.jpg]
>
> *Smartwool black quarter zip baselayer — $40*
> Black, 100% merino wool, lightweight, probably 100g weight. Can't find any 
> holes or issues. 
>
> [image: Trekking00.JPG]
>
> *LL Bean wool trekking sweater — $40*
> Tweed wool sweater, made in England. Labeled a large but fits like a 
> medium. It's 21" from pit to pit and 26" from top of collar to bottom hem. 
> Beautiful tweed with green, gray, brown flecks. I'm convinced it's made at 
> the same mill that makes the Rivendell Wooly Warm tweed sweaters but 
> haven't been able to verify. This is prob from the late 1980s. No issues. 
> Three button henley collar. 
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Re: [RBW] Digest for rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com - 4 updates in 3 topics

[Richard Gonet]

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> On Dec 21, 2022, at 6:50 AM, rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com wrote:
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> FS: Hillborne  - 2 Updates
> Rivendell-esq fat bike  - 1 Update
> For sale: Last few Suntour caps  - 1 Update
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> Scott Luly : Dec 21 04:26AM 
> 
> What brakes and levers specifically are you running?
>  
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> On Tue, Dec 20, 2022 at 9:11 PM, Ahmed Elgasseir 
> wrote: Braking is fantastic. I’ve had/have this set up on a number of bikes 
> and it’s always been stellar. 
> :-)A
> On Tue, Dec 20, 2022 at 6:46 PM 'Scott Luly' via RBW Owners Bunch 
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> Ahmed,
> How well does your brake set-up work? I'm wanting to run linear pull brakes 
> with hood brake levers myself, just like you. The hood brake levers I have 
> are not long pull, and I'm wondering how they will work with my v-brakes. I'm 
> interested in hearing from those that have run NON long pull brake hood 
> levers with v-brakes.
> Scott
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> On Tuesday, December 20, 2022 at 07:34:19 PM MST, Ahmed Elgasseir 
>  wrote: 
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> Hi Y'all!
> I'm thinning the herd to finance a new Roadini. Up for sale is my 54 Sam 
> Hillborne, purchased directly from Riv back in 2019. It's been ridden but not 
> much. Saddle and pedals not included. Posting it here, hoping I don't have to 
> go CL. $2500
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> Steven Sweedler : Dec 21 08:34AM -0500 
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> rltil...@gmail.com: Dec 20 10:20PM -0800 
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> I just measured my Prospector with Rohloff and measured a Q of 185 mm. I 
> could likely shave a few mm off with with a different crank.
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> I do not, sorry to say. Would like to have those data myself. Anyone here 
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> On Tuesday, December 20, 2022 at 1:17:49 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
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> Bob: Do you know how low a Q you can get on the Prospector, Scapegoat, 
> Chimera and Bull Thistle, 

Re: [RBW] Bikes For Sale: Craigslist, ebay, etc. Fall 2022 edition

[James M]

There's a 52cm Clem H over on the Crust Trader 
- https://crustbikes.com/a/shopicial/topics/149752

On Monday, December 19, 2022 at 5:24:59 PM UTC-5 eliot...@gmail.com wrote:

> Really nice build Wolbis Slugstone? in Sausalito
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/bik/d/sausalito-rivendell-wolbis-susie-56/7570053337.html
>
> Heron in NC
> I’m not sure about their sizing since 54 is supposed to be 700c? But seems 
> like a good deal.
>
>
> https://winstonsalem.craigslist.org/bik/d/winston-salem-heron-touring-bicycle-54/7569279283.html
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> On Wed, Dec 14, 2022 at 6:14 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:
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>> I suppose there's someone out there who thinks an NOS Bleriot frameset is 
>> worth that kind of money. And bless their heart! 
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 14, 2022 at 5:24:16 PM UTC-8 J wrote:
>>
>>> From the ad
>>>
>>> New in box Rivendell Bleriot framesets in 55, 57 & 59cm sizes. 
>>> Ex QBP (Surly/Salsa/All-City) distributor with hard-to-find NOS stock to 
>>> sell. We bought these when they were available via QBP in MN and have been 
>>> sitting in dry storage for too long!
>>> Rivendell's first Taiwan-made frames IIRC and the same quality as their 
>>> current offerings.
>>> 59cm currently being held pending payment.
>>> Tange headset professionally fitted to the 59cm model for display. I'm 
>>> happy to leave as fitted or remove it if preferred. 
>>> These are located in Christchurch, NZ and I'm happy to ship worldwide at 
>>> buyers cost. Approx. international tracked delivery costs in NZ$
>>> Freight to :
>>> USA $707 NZD (approx. $467 USD),
>>> Canada $661 NZD (approx. $590 CAD)
>>> Japan $570 NZD (approx. ¥50,000)
>>> Most of Eastern Asia $570 NZD
>>> UK $661 NZD (approx. £350)
>>> Europe $661 NZD (approx. 410 EU)
>>> You're also welcome to get quotes and arrange you own delivery, 
>>> typically based on 0.1 m3 volume and 5kg shipping weight.
>>> Shipping is from Christchurch 8061, New Zealand
>>> Or maybe you know someone visiting NZ or in the US Antarctic Program (12 
>>> miles from where these are located) with some spare luggage capacity.
>>> Inquiries are welcome and I'm happy to schedule a WhatsApp or Signal 
>>> video link to verify authenticity. Also Luke Breen, owner of Perennial 
>>> Cycle in Minneapolis will vouch for me. 
>>> I'm open to offers that approximate the price of current equivalent 
>>> Rivendell framesets, i.e. $1750 USD ($2650 NZD)
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, December 14, 2022 at 4:21:59 PM UTC-5 Chris in NZ wrote:
>>>
 Pitching in on the Bleriots as a Kiwi:

 I can't see the FB listing, but I expect these to be the same frames 
 I've seen previously listed on another online trading platform here in NZ 
 at $1400NZD. If they're now listed at $1800, I'm inclined to believe this 
 is still in NZD, around $1000USD. 
 For shipping allow $500 these days.

 I would have bought the 55cm frame last year had I not been in the 
 final stages of ordering a Platypus frame and parts from Riv.. 

 On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 8:34:12 AM UTC+13 Joel S wrote:

> Thanks Tom.  He has adjusted for inflation and shipping will be a 
> killer.  The Bleriot is a great bike, I had one for years and I know 
> people 
> still want them, heck, I did not stop searching till I found a Saluki 
> ashen 
> sold my 55cm Bleriot.  If someone could get it for $1800 or so 
> shipped then good.  I bet shipping will be about $300 or more.  
>
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> On Wed, Dec 14, 2022 at 1:46 PM, Tom Wyland  wrote:
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> $1750 plus shipping from New Zealand.
>
> On Wed, Dec 14, 2022 at 1:32 PM 'JRStern11' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
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>> Not on Face Book, what is the asking price? 
>>
>> Sent from Proton Mail for iOS
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>>
>> On Wed, Dec 14, 2022 at 1:21 PM, Jared Wilson  
>> wrote:
>>
>> NOS Bleriot framesets in 55, 57, and 59 on the Facebook group 
>> "Rivendellicious"
>>
>> https://www.facebook.com/groups/19202914712
>>
>> Good luck!
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 5:53:07 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Gus Boots Wilsen
>>> 57cm
>>> $2,000 
>>> Knoxville, TN
>>>
>>>
>>> https://knoxville.craigslist.org/bik/d/greenville-2022-rivendell-gus-boots/7557073606.html
>>>
>>> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 9:54:29 AM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:
>>>
 [image: s-l1600.jpg]

 Heron F/F/HS
 59cm
 Glencoe, Missouri

 https://www.ebay.com/itm/225290552848

 [image: s-l1600-1.jpg]

 Emmet's Atlantis
 62cm
 $4,100
 Johnstown, Penna. 


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Re: [RBW] Re: Nivex on a Rivendell?

[lconley]

Rene Herse sells bolt on centerpulls.

[image: Bolt on.JPG]

I had the chain rest installed on my Rivendell Custom. Rivendell used to 
sell a clamp-on version.

[image: frame (2).jpg] 

Laing

On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 12:54:01 AM UTC-5 Bill Gibson wrote:

> I see derailleurs for sale for $20, and up. I bet they shift just fine 
> with skillful installation and practice. Dura-Ace costs a little more than 
> the Nivex Nuevo, but not much, which I guess is a statement about the place 
> in the universe the Nivex claims. Better and lighter and cheaper than 
> Dura-Ace! The price is not the point. The point is, well like, Louis 
> Armstrong said, "If you have to ask what jazz is, you'll never know." It 
> is about pure mechanical joy. I would love to ride with it. I am surprised 
> that indexing came before friction, but will be interested in future 
> batches. I'd like to see a bolt-on version, even though I know the braze-on 
> version is better, hands down. I might put a bolt-on version on my 
> Quickbeam. I come from the era when the "best" frames had no braze-ons, 
> only clamp-ons. Something about heat damaging the frames of that time. Same 
> for the Herse brakes, a bolt-on adapter for those, and a path to integrated 
> heaven for the masses, imagined or real. Heck, I want a chain rest, too.
>
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>
> On Thu, Dec 15, 2022 at 12:22 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> As Grant said circa 1997: "We are product driven, not market driven."
>>
>> I don't have a use for very wide sweepback bars or a Nivex rd, but I do 
>> admire them both for forcing the design and creation of things they love in 
>> a market where everything is flowing in the opposite direction, *and* it's 
>> not an apparent expensive "lifestyle" or "style alone" thing as Silca's and 
>> Chaterlea's new offerings seem to be. (But I am open to correction about 
>> Silca and Chaterlea.)
>>
>> Patrick Moore, who hedged his close-ratio 3-speed Sturmey Archer bet with 
>> a second, backup AM hub.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 13, 2022 at 12:12 PM Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>
>>> ... In my book Jan and Grant are exactly the same.  Both took enormous 
>>> time, effort and expense to execute a project they believe in.  Neither 
>>> will make money for their companies.  Neither was a publicity stunt.  They 
>>> just believed in something and decided to do it.  Both think all current 
>>> derailers are great.  Both wanted to offer an alternative choice.  Both 
>>> would not have bothered if such a thing was available today.   If you want 
>>> one, buy one.  If you don't want one, no problem.  
>>>
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