Re: [RBW] Re: Nitto 32F Rack weight limit?

['Sean, PNW' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I've a Rene Herse UD-1 rack listed if anyone searching for an adjustable 
and lightweight rack with a 10 kg (22 lb) weight rating is interested.

It’s very nicely built and high quality w/adjustable struts that can fit 
the same mounts as a 32f.

Rene Herse specs - 
https://www.renehersecycles.com/shop/equipment/racks/rene-herse-ud-1-disc/

Pics - 
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1ZN_guFpHhKwBSHXI89expGdVdYFwrZH6?usp=sharing

On Wednesday, February 8, 2023 at 5:29:45 PM UTC-8 zac.te...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Hey Will thanks! That's exactly what I was after. 
>
> Re: the non published weight limits/tether advice, I wonder if it's 
> because of failures that happened? Either way I don't plan to put a ton of 
> weight on it. I think it'll be alright. 
>
> On Wednesday, February 8, 2023 at 4:30:26 AM UTC-8 Will M wrote:
>
>> @ Zac: The 32F on my Quickbeam routinely exceeds the 4.4-lb load. I'd go 
>> with Analog's 15-lb limit.  As load increases, slow-speed steering 
>> weirdness becomes the constraint long before one worries about rack 
>> integrity.  Using archive.org, I just took a peak at 
>> http://www.rivendellbicycles.com/webalog/baggage_racks/20020.html from 
>> February 2006 (about the vintage of mine), and see that they did not 
>> publish a weight limits nor recommend tether straps back in the day.  When 
>> did published limits appear?  Anecdotally... I've walked my 4-year-old (30+ 
>> pounds) home from school while she sat backward on the 32F rack (I pushed 
>> the bike).  And the similar VO Rando rack has a 12-pound rated limit, tho' 
>> it has straight stays to the fork blade eyelets.  
>>
>> On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 4:40:54 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah, I always thought it goofy also to buy a tiny rack and then put a 
>>> big wire basket on top of it and expect it to be stable. Even if one does 
>>> it anyway, in "zac's" case with a shallow head tube frame, the 32f is poor 
>>> choice as it has no adjustability in any way to get it close-r to the head 
>>> tube. While a M 18 or Marks rack would offer that, more platform and 
>>> relative strength is called for here. The Soma/VO Porteur racks are fully 
>>> adjustable and there's no concern with loads. The VO includes a platform 
>>> fence, no cheap wire basket needed. How the bike may feel/handle, well 
>>> that's a separate story.
>>> On Sunday, February 5, 2023 at 7:43:54 PM UTC-5 Minh wrote:
>>>
 this has been discussed many times before.  in this age of litigation, 
 nitto has always been conservative with their weight ratings, but we're 
 all 
 adults and have to make our own decisions.  that said, and keep in mind 
 this comes from someone thats been running a nitto mini front for over 10 
 years with a basket, you can get away with more weight.  now even i would 
 say, if your plan is to bring back 15-20 lbs of whatever often, then thats 
 not a good idea (imo), but for occasional heavy loads, its fine.  

 my bigger issue with this combo is i think the smaller racks are not 
 wide enough of a platform for stability to secure a basket.  i recently 
 switched to a nitto/simworks obento rack and its been a little more 
 stable.   

 you don't mention what bike you are planning for this, but if its a 
 rivendell, most of them do not steer well with a heavy front load, which 
 is 
 another reason to keep it light.  


 On Sunday, February 5, 2023 at 7:18:23 PM UTC-5 zac.te...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> The pass and stow is nice but im going for something lighter that 
> hopefully sits closer to the headtube. having the load out in front of 
> the 
> axle like that feels too sloppy for me. I think im gonna try the 32f with 
> a 
> beefy strap and just not go too crazy on the load. 
>
> On Saturday, February 4, 2023 at 11:15:05 PM UTC-8 Luke Hendrickson 
> wrote:
>
>> This is why I’ve just opted for the five rail rack from Pass & Stow: 
>> 25lbs or less suggested, rated to 50lbs, and can handle 200lbs. I’ll 
>> *never* need all that it can offer tbh.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, February 4, 2023 at 4:57:20 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> This is why Riv got Nitto to make a Basket Rack. They kinda backed 
>>> themselves into a world of riders putting big loads in a big basket on 
>>> a 
>>> little rack on the if-the-wheel-locks-up-things-get-ugly-fast end of 
>>> the 
>>> bike and...you don't want that. 
>>>
>>> I tried it, I hated the way it affected the steering, I run most of 
>>> my load on the back now. My recommendation is to keep basket loads in 
>>> the 
>>> range of weight you would normally allow a bar bag to run. And use that 
>>> strap. 
>>>
>>> Joe "safer than sorry" Bernard 
>>>
>>> On Saturday, February 4, 2023 at 3:45:22 PM UTC-8 brendonoid wrote:
>>>
 I've never used 

[RBW] Re: FS: Rambouillet 58cm Orange

[Jonathan D.]

This is one of my favorite bikes. I am 6 ft, 85 PBH and also roads a 55 
Sam. This size fit me perfect. Hope someone buys it soon.

On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 3:51:47 PM UTC-8 bunny...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey Everyone! 
> This is still for sale. I've had some serious lookers, but no takers.
> $1,500 plus shipping?
> I need a new computer ;)
>
> Cheers!
> Ben
>
> On Saturday, January 14, 2023 at 1:28:45 PM UTC-8 alan lavine wrote:
>
>> Good to know, thanks!
>>
>> On Saturday, January 14, 2023 at 11:59:44 AM UTC-5 bunny...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> It wasn't possible to do get the bars on the stem with the stem on the 
>>> bike. Like an impossible puzzle. However, with both the stem and bars off 
>>> of the bike I was able to gently rotate the stem as I was feeding it onto 
>>> the handlebars. There was always one rotational point where the stem would 
>>> move on the bars with no forcing. Cheers!
>>>
>>> Cheers!
>>> Ben
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, January 14, 2023 at 5:25:25 AM UTC-8 alan lavine wrote:
>>>
 Very nice bike, wish I could get it.
 A question about the build: How did you get the Soma Highway One bars 
 thru a Nitto quill stem? I was under the impression these bars required an 
 open face stem due to the abrupt curves.
 Thanks,
 Alan in NYC

 On Saturday, January 14, 2023 at 5:35:04 AM UTC-5 ascpgh wrote:

> Sorry the Rambouillet didn't fit you well, despite Grant's input on 
> sizing. It was increasingly under square (top tube shorter than seat 
> tube) 
> up through the sizes. Your 58 has a 57cm TT, my 62's is 59cm. I think 
> Grant 
> was trying to incorporate into frame spec what is often "fit" with seat 
> post setback, stem length, handlebar reach, etc. without excluding sizes 
> and shapes of riders. 
>
> I'm the opposite of your phenotype, too long of leg/short of torso for 
> my height and the Rambouillet fit me like a glove and deflected the need 
> for a custom for 20 years. 
>
> Someone's in for a blast from the past sorry it had to come from this 
> bike's envelope just being outside your perfect fit margins. Sometimes 
> wider accessibility comes at a cost and trying to fit all who come isn't 
> at 
> the cost of ride quality. I know it was for me when looking around for my 
> Rambouillet, all that sloped TT "fastback" foolishness was the meme. 
> Brands 
> made 3-4 sizes in a model and LBS would bodge fit with stem and post 
> choices.
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
> On Friday, January 13, 2023 at 5:37:30 PM UTC-5 bunny...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Early 2000's Rivendell Rambouillet 58cm frame (Grant from Rivendell 
>> swears this is my size, but I'm a corgi with a long torso and short legs 
>>  
>> ), Orange and Cream finish, lots of small paint dings, some touch-up 
>> paint 
>> from a previous owner, small top tube dent. Everything works great and 
>> it 
>> still looks stunning, but it was once somebody's daily driver and shows 
>> appropriate wear. 
>>
>> The Rundown: 
>>
>>- 58cm Rivendell Rambouillet Frame/Fork
>>- Mavic Open Pro Rims on Ultegra 6500 Hubs (32h) (12-26 cassette)
>>- Ultegra 6500 Deraillures with 3x8 Bar End Shifters
>>- Sugino XD Triple Crank 48-38-26
>>- Panaracer Pasela 35c folding bead tires with maybe 50-60 miles.
>>- TRP RRL Brake Levers
>>- Soma Highway One bars (42cm)*BUT I also have some Nitto 
>>Noodle bars in 42cm. take your pick!*
>>- Nitto Cold forged 7cm stem (Tallux? It's pretty tall)   *BUT I 
>>also have the same model in 10-11cm. take your pick!*
>>- I'll also toss in an 8 speed 11-32 cassette and derailleur 
>>hanger extender. I ran that for a while and while shifting was not 
>> quite as 
>>awesome, having a 26 x 32 gear was nice.
>>- Oh, there is also a set of beat up SKS fenders that I will 
>>include.
>>
>>
>> $1,600. + actual shipping cost. I'd, of course, prefer a local sale, 
>> but I can ship to a loving home.
>>
>> Photos: 
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/benadrian/albums/72177720305079680
>>
>>  
>> Why am I selling? I'd want to know as a buyer.
>> The size is a little big for me. It has never felt quite right. The 
>> ride is great. It glides over the road beautifully. Still ,I never was 
>> able 
>> to make myself comfortable. I just want to try other things.
>>
>> Cheers!
>> Ben Adrian
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Riv Riders in Western NC

[lukeheller]

I used to ride a Riv Canti-Rom for a few years when i first started riding 
brevets in 2012.
No longer ride a riv but all my bikes are riv inspired. I've had several 
custom frames that are spin offs from my canti-rom.
I'm the local organizer for the Asheville Intl Randonneurs and live in 
Asheville if anyone wants to drink the kool-aid.

On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 9:33:52 PM UTC-5 steve...@gmail.com wrote:

> I'm in Asheville. Not currently on a Riv but am giving one some serious 
> thought (which is why I'm on this group). I occasionally ride fire roads in 
> the Pisgah starting from the Hub. Last spring I did a ride from the 
> Arboretum at Bent Creek to the Hub (still sore from that one!). Been 
> thinking Oscar Blues or Ecusta Brewing might be fun to start from and end 
> at. I'd enjoy riding with a group of Riv riders - if you'd promise not to 
> be too hard on me if I turn up on a different marque. Full disclosure; I am 
> old and slow.
> On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 8:45:40 PM UTC-5 Pam Bikes wrote:
>
>> I'm in Charlotte, NC.  We should plan a Riv NC ride sometime.  I'm not 
>> much for climbing.
>>
>> On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 7:20:00 PM UTC-5 esoter...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dick,
>>>
>>> I live in the flatlands of Raleigh, but my wife and I had a chance to go 
>>> on a terrific gravel ride with Michael on a visit to Boone. Michael's a 
>>> wonderful guy and he knows a bunch of great rides in the area. Y'all have 
>>> some excellent terrain up there in western NC. If you ever find yourself 
>>> near Boone, reach out to him. It's always a hoot to connect with someone on 
>>> the list in person. Cheers,
>>>
>>> ~Mark
>>> Raleigh, NC
>>>
>>> On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 6:32:23 PM UTC-5 Michael Iauch wrote:
>>>
 I ride an Atlantis in Boone. Went to high school in Brevard. My folks 
 still live there. You may see my dad riding an old diamond back with 
 albatross bars I found in a junk pile and built up for him. He installed 
 an 
 electric assist on it! 

 Michael
 Boone, NC

 On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 1:36:10 PM UTC-5 Artaud wrote:

> I ride my Hillborne further East in Greensboro, but after riding back 
> home from Floyd two summers ago, I've been wanting to spend more time 
> riding in the mountains.
>
> Denis, in NC
> Le lundi 13 février 2023 à 12:21:08 UTC-5, Dick Pahle a écrit :
>
>> Checking to see if there are any Riv people, other than me, in the 
>> Brevard NC area. I ride a 2015 AHH. 
>>
>> Dick
>>
>

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[RBW] FS: VO Grand Cru 50.4 BCD Crankset 175mm + extras 46/30

[lukeheller]

Prefer to sell the entire set.
$275 shipped CONUS
-1 crankset, valued @ $200
-2x 118 square taper BBs, valued @ $80 for 2
-1 spare set of rings, valued @ $105

 photos 


I tried these and they weren't for me (or for my frame).
The custom frame i put them has too wide a yoke for these. I found that out 
after just a few pedal strokes and there's a small marring on the inside of 
the DS crankarm. I could've gone for a wider spindle but that just didn't 
feel right. I tried them on another bike for a 50km ride and decided they 
just weren't for me.

One BB and the cranks have been used for 50km.
The bad:
-very minor marring on the inner DS crankarm
-one of the crank caps is slightly mangled at the face

Thanks
Luke in Asheville

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[RBW] Re: Riv Riders in Western NC

[Steve]

I'm in Asheville. Not currently on a Riv but am giving one some serious 
thought (which is why I'm on this group). I occasionally ride fire roads in 
the Pisgah starting from the Hub. Last spring I did a ride from the 
Arboretum at Bent Creek to the Hub (still sore from that one!). Been 
thinking Oscar Blues or Ecusta Brewing might be fun to start from and end 
at. I'd enjoy riding with a group of Riv riders - if you'd promise not to 
be too hard on me if I turn up on a different marque. Full disclosure; I am 
old and slow.
On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 8:45:40 PM UTC-5 Pam Bikes wrote:

> I'm in Charlotte, NC.  We should plan a Riv NC ride sometime.  I'm not 
> much for climbing.
>
> On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 7:20:00 PM UTC-5 esoter...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Dick,
>>
>> I live in the flatlands of Raleigh, but my wife and I had a chance to go 
>> on a terrific gravel ride with Michael on a visit to Boone. Michael's a 
>> wonderful guy and he knows a bunch of great rides in the area. Y'all have 
>> some excellent terrain up there in western NC. If you ever find yourself 
>> near Boone, reach out to him. It's always a hoot to connect with someone on 
>> the list in person. Cheers,
>>
>> ~Mark
>> Raleigh, NC
>>
>> On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 6:32:23 PM UTC-5 Michael Iauch wrote:
>>
>>> I ride an Atlantis in Boone. Went to high school in Brevard. My folks 
>>> still live there. You may see my dad riding an old diamond back with 
>>> albatross bars I found in a junk pile and built up for him. He installed an 
>>> electric assist on it! 
>>>
>>> Michael
>>> Boone, NC
>>>
>>> On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 1:36:10 PM UTC-5 Artaud wrote:
>>>
 I ride my Hillborne further East in Greensboro, but after riding back 
 home from Floyd two summers ago, I've been wanting to spend more time 
 riding in the mountains.

 Denis, in NC
 Le lundi 13 février 2023 à 12:21:08 UTC-5, Dick Pahle a écrit :

> Checking to see if there are any Riv people, other than me, in the 
> Brevard NC area. I ride a 2015 AHH. 
>
> Dick
>


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[RBW] Re: Cima Coppi Cycle Wear C.B.

[Kim Hetzel]

I thank-you for your feedback and comments about Cima Coppi Wear C. B. wool 
jerseys. 

Kim Hetzel
Yelm, WA. 

On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 9:42:29 AM UTC-8 Jeffrey Arita wrote:

> We do not (unfortunately) have any experience with their cycling shorts.  
> However, my wife and I each own a pair of their wool jerseys and they have 
> held up very well.  The Merino wool is very comfortable with excellent 
> construction and attention to detail.  We received them in early 2019 and 
> have worn them for many brevets.
>
> Jeff & Lori Arita
> Claremont, CA
>
>
>
> On Saturday, February 4, 2023 at 6:07:32 AM UTC-8 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Has anyone ordered any product, namely cycling shorts through this 
>> company located in Oviedo, Spain ?
>>
>> https://cimacoppi.cc/en/content/9-who-we-are
>>
>> If so, looking for any feedback for consideration of purchasing some 
>> cycling shorts.
>>
>> Thank-you.
>>
>> Kim Hetzel
>> Yelm, WA.
>
>

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[RBW] Proper(?) fitting of a Bosco or similar handlebar & Nitto V5 stem

[Richard Rose]

Two separate questions. Regarding the Bosco; I am curious how others 
approach the Bosco from a fit perspective. I love mine on my Clem. Its a 
540 wide and came with a 135 FacePlater. Mine is positioned with the tips 
between 2"-3" above the saddle nose. With the 135 stem those tips come back 
perhaps not as far as most folks? When pedaling, the tips do not come back 
far enough to cross an imaginary line between my knee caps. Turning the bar 
the tips do cross this line but the bars are high enough to pass over the 
knees - no contact. I fiddled with this a lot when I got the bike and the 
way I have it really works well for me. I am just curious how other folks 
have these handlebars set up particularly on a Gus / Susie? Thanks in 
advance for sharing.
Regarding the V--5 stem, I just really like it & am considering using one 
on my Gus. Any drawbacks? From a purely aesthetic perspective it kind of 
bothers me that the knurled center portion of the bar is exposed. A minor 
thing I know...

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[RBW] Re: Riv Riders in Western NC

[Pam Bikes]

I'm in Charlotte, NC.  We should plan a Riv NC ride sometime.  I'm not much 
for climbing.

On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 7:20:00 PM UTC-5 esoter...@gmail.com wrote:

> Dick,
>
> I live in the flatlands of Raleigh, but my wife and I had a chance to go 
> on a terrific gravel ride with Michael on a visit to Boone. Michael's a 
> wonderful guy and he knows a bunch of great rides in the area. Y'all have 
> some excellent terrain up there in western NC. If you ever find yourself 
> near Boone, reach out to him. It's always a hoot to connect with someone on 
> the list in person. Cheers,
>
> ~Mark
> Raleigh, NC
>
> On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 6:32:23 PM UTC-5 Michael Iauch wrote:
>
>> I ride an Atlantis in Boone. Went to high school in Brevard. My folks 
>> still live there. You may see my dad riding an old diamond back with 
>> albatross bars I found in a junk pile and built up for him. He installed an 
>> electric assist on it! 
>>
>> Michael
>> Boone, NC
>>
>> On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 1:36:10 PM UTC-5 Artaud wrote:
>>
>>> I ride my Hillborne further East in Greensboro, but after riding back 
>>> home from Floyd two summers ago, I've been wanting to spend more time 
>>> riding in the mountains.
>>>
>>> Denis, in NC
>>> Le lundi 13 février 2023 à 12:21:08 UTC-5, Dick Pahle a écrit :
>>>
 Checking to see if there are any Riv people, other than me, in the 
 Brevard NC area. I ride a 2015 AHH. 

 Dick

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Riv Riders in Western NC

[esoterica etc]

Dick,

I live in the flatlands of Raleigh, but my wife and I had a chance to go on 
a terrific gravel ride with Michael on a visit to Boone. Michael's a 
wonderful guy and he knows a bunch of great rides in the area. Y'all have 
some excellent terrain up there in western NC. If you ever find yourself 
near Boone, reach out to him. It's always a hoot to connect with someone on 
the list in person. Cheers,

~Mark
Raleigh, NC

On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 6:32:23 PM UTC-5 Michael Iauch wrote:

> I ride an Atlantis in Boone. Went to high school in Brevard. My folks 
> still live there. You may see my dad riding an old diamond back with 
> albatross bars I found in a junk pile and built up for him. He installed an 
> electric assist on it! 
>
> Michael
> Boone, NC
>
> On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 1:36:10 PM UTC-5 Artaud wrote:
>
>> I ride my Hillborne further East in Greensboro, but after riding back 
>> home from Floyd two summers ago, I've been wanting to spend more time 
>> riding in the mountains.
>>
>> Denis, in NC
>> Le lundi 13 février 2023 à 12:21:08 UTC-5, Dick Pahle a écrit :
>>
>>> Checking to see if there are any Riv people, other than me, in the 
>>> Brevard NC area. I ride a 2015 AHH. 
>>>
>>> Dick
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Platypus questions

[KenP]

To get on our tandem I have to step over the top tube to avoid hitting the 
rear handlebars were I to I swing my leg back there. It is not as 
step-through  as the Platypus.  It is a sloped top tube, so to make it even 
lower I tilt the tandem steeply toward me.  That puts the top tube lower 
and I can get my leg over the top tube..

On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 10:44:54 PM UTC-5 dougP wrote:

> I love my Atlantis, but it's getting harder to swing the old leg over the 
> saddle. Time to move on to a step thru. The Platypus looks like the best 
> option for my riding, mostly short trips around town. 
>
> The 55 cm fits my PBH (84) & saddle height. What I'm interested in doing 
> is comparing the geometry to my 58 cm Toyo Atlantis. Specifically, I'm 
> curious about the distance of the seat from the bars. I seem to be 
> shrinking in my old age & the reach on the Atlantis is just a bit too far. 
> Not unridable but a noticeable stretch, even with a short stem & swept back 
> bars.
>
> Let me know if you may be of assistance. Be forewarned I'll probably think 
> of some more questions if this looks promising. It would be fantastic is 
> you're in southern California.
>
> Doug Peterson 
>  
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Rambouillet 58cm Orange

[Ben Adrian]

Hey Everyone! 
This is still for sale. I've had some serious lookers, but no takers.
$1,500 plus shipping?
I need a new computer ;)

Cheers!
Ben

On Saturday, January 14, 2023 at 1:28:45 PM UTC-8 alan lavine wrote:

> Good to know, thanks!
>
> On Saturday, January 14, 2023 at 11:59:44 AM UTC-5 bunny...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> It wasn't possible to do get the bars on the stem with the stem on the 
>> bike. Like an impossible puzzle. However, with both the stem and bars off 
>> of the bike I was able to gently rotate the stem as I was feeding it onto 
>> the handlebars. There was always one rotational point where the stem would 
>> move on the bars with no forcing. Cheers!
>>
>> Cheers!
>> Ben
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, January 14, 2023 at 5:25:25 AM UTC-8 alan lavine wrote:
>>
>>> Very nice bike, wish I could get it.
>>> A question about the build: How did you get the Soma Highway One bars 
>>> thru a Nitto quill stem? I was under the impression these bars required an 
>>> open face stem due to the abrupt curves.
>>> Thanks,
>>> Alan in NYC
>>>
>>> On Saturday, January 14, 2023 at 5:35:04 AM UTC-5 ascpgh wrote:
>>>
 Sorry the Rambouillet didn't fit you well, despite Grant's input on 
 sizing. It was increasingly under square (top tube shorter than seat tube) 
 up through the sizes. Your 58 has a 57cm TT, my 62's is 59cm. I think 
 Grant 
 was trying to incorporate into frame spec what is often "fit" with seat 
 post setback, stem length, handlebar reach, etc. without excluding sizes 
 and shapes of riders. 

 I'm the opposite of your phenotype, too long of leg/short of torso for 
 my height and the Rambouillet fit me like a glove and deflected the need 
 for a custom for 20 years. 

 Someone's in for a blast from the past sorry it had to come from this 
 bike's envelope just being outside your perfect fit margins. Sometimes 
 wider accessibility comes at a cost and trying to fit all who come isn't 
 at 
 the cost of ride quality. I know it was for me when looking around for my 
 Rambouillet, all that sloped TT "fastback" foolishness was the meme. 
 Brands 
 made 3-4 sizes in a model and LBS would bodge fit with stem and post 
 choices.

 Andy Cheatham
 Pittsburgh
 On Friday, January 13, 2023 at 5:37:30 PM UTC-5 bunny...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Early 2000's Rivendell Rambouillet 58cm frame (Grant from Rivendell 
> swears this is my size, but I'm a corgi with a long torso and short legs 
>  
> ), Orange and Cream finish, lots of small paint dings, some touch-up 
> paint 
> from a previous owner, small top tube dent. Everything works great and it 
> still looks stunning, but it was once somebody's daily driver and shows 
> appropriate wear. 
>
> The Rundown: 
>
>- 58cm Rivendell Rambouillet Frame/Fork
>- Mavic Open Pro Rims on Ultegra 6500 Hubs (32h) (12-26 cassette)
>- Ultegra 6500 Deraillures with 3x8 Bar End Shifters
>- Sugino XD Triple Crank 48-38-26
>- Panaracer Pasela 35c folding bead tires with maybe 50-60 miles.
>- TRP RRL Brake Levers
>- Soma Highway One bars (42cm)*BUT I also have some Nitto 
>Noodle bars in 42cm. take your pick!*
>- Nitto Cold forged 7cm stem (Tallux? It's pretty tall)   *BUT I 
>also have the same model in 10-11cm. take your pick!*
>- I'll also toss in an 8 speed 11-32 cassette and derailleur 
>hanger extender. I ran that for a while and while shifting was not 
> quite as 
>awesome, having a 26 x 32 gear was nice.
>- Oh, there is also a set of beat up SKS fenders that I will 
>include.
>
>
> $1,600. + actual shipping cost. I'd, of course, prefer a local sale, 
> but I can ship to a loving home.
>
> Photos: 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/benadrian/albums/72177720305079680
>
>  
> Why am I selling? I'd want to know as a buyer.
> The size is a little big for me. It has never felt quite right. The 
> ride is great. It glides over the road beautifully. Still ,I never was 
> able 
> to make myself comfortable. I just want to try other things.
>
> Cheers!
> Ben Adrian
>


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[RBW] Re: Rivs on film

[Drew Saunders]

Rich,

Not sure which photo with trees you're referencing. Anyway, yes, I take my 
whole 4x5 setup in my RPT ("Renaissance Photo Tech") modified Kelty 
backpack with my more or less full sized Manfrotto carbon fiber tripod 
strapped to the side. RPT made a nice system of a backboard that you 
inserted into the modified backpacks (modified with full zippers and a few 
other things), to which you attached camera or lens boxes via hook and loop 
to make the photo backpack of your needs. Sadly, the owner retired and sold 
off everything (I got a few things for sale). I don't go far with that on 
my quickbeam, no more than 3 miles each way, and I don't go fast, but it's 
essentially the same kit I would take if I put it all in the trunk of my 
car.

Camera, up to 6 lenses, up to 9 holders, dark cloth, meter, loupe, tape 
measure, extra bag bellows, extra focusing screen for wide angle lenses, 
and a few other things all fit in there. It's not light, of course! 

I'll get a photo of me on the bike with this setup sometime.

Drew

On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 9:41:19 AM UTC-8 RichS wrote:

> Hi Drew,
>
> Nice work! I especially like the image of the trees (third one going to 
> the right). That's some quality printing! I'm impressed you're toting a 4x5 
> while riding your Quickbeam. Do you carry a small tripod for the Ebony? 
> Back in the day I used a variety of 4x5s and a very old Ansco 8x10. My last 
> 4x5 was a Deardorff, made in Chicago. With a Tiltall tripod, film holder, 
> light meter, etc. it never ocurred to me to try and fit onto a bike!
>
> Best,
> Rich in ATL
>
> On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 12:19:25 PM UTC-5 Drew Saunders wrote:
>
>> Looking at my Flickr stream, I only found two photos of my Riv taken with 
>> a film camera. I thought I had done more over the years, but maybe I just 
>> haven't scanned them and put them up.
>> https://flic.kr/p/67KheV
>> https://flic.kr/p/67PtfS
>>
>> They're obviously taken one after the other, back on Pi Day of 2009. I 
>> don't recall if I had any pie that day. Anyway, I have long since sold that 
>> Fuji GA645zi medium format "monster point and shoot" (of course, I sold it 
>> before the prices exploded...grumble), but I do ride my Quickbeam when I'm 
>> taking the large format 4x5" Ebony camera out to shoot at local gardens. I 
>> just haven't yet turned the lens on the bike, maybe I will next time.
>>
>> That Fuji camera had a data back, so it could imprint focal length and 
>> exposure information in the gap between frames, which was quite handy. 
>>
>> Drew
>>
>> On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 8:29:44 AM UTC-8 jamin orrall wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Eric! I appreciate all your contributions to this forum.
>>>
>>> Thank you Shoji, I bought the frames secondhand from 2 different owners. 
>>> By coincidence I ended up with 2 Waterfords with custom paint that I did 
>>> not pick but I am enjoying the colors as well, they really blend in with 
>>> the landscape.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 7:06:24 AM UTC-8 Shoji Takahashi wrote:
>>>
 Great colors-- something special about film. 

 Speaking of colors, I love that color on the Atlantis.

 Shoji
 Arlington MA

 On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 8:46:45 AM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Dang, Jamin, these are great. I especially like that pic of your Homer 
> in shadow with the mountains in the sun. Really good! 
>
> On Wednesday, February 8, 2023 at 8:17:57 PM UTC-5 jamin orrall wrote:
>
>> Accidentally posted this to ibob so I'm moving it here! (pretty 
>> Rivendell specific)
>>
>> Got a roll of film back yesterday and it had several shots of my 
>> bikes/rides! I thought ya'll might enjoy! Feel free to post any recent 
>> Rivendell film shots if you have some.
>>
>> Taken with a Nikon FE on Kodak portra film.   Still learning how to 
>> use an slr and it's kinda heavy/bulky but I got inspired by all those 
>> RSF 
>> riders with big honkin cameras slung across their backs.
>>
>> Jamin
>>
>> [image: 05810033 Large.jpeg]
>> [image: 05810029 Large.jpeg][image: 05810023 Large.jpeg][image: 
>> 05810020 Large.jpeg]
>>
>> [image: 05810008 Large.jpeg][image: 05810007 Large.jpeg]
>> [image: 05810015 Large.jpeg]
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Riv Riders in Western NC

[Michael Iauch]

I ride an Atlantis in Boone. Went to high school in Brevard. My folks still 
live there. You may see my dad riding an old diamond back with albatross 
bars I found in a junk pile and built up for him. He installed an electric 
assist on it! 

Michael
Boone, NC

On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 1:36:10 PM UTC-5 Artaud wrote:

> I ride my Hillborne further East in Greensboro, but after riding back home 
> from Floyd two summers ago, I've been wanting to spend more time riding in 
> the mountains.
>
> Denis, in NC
> Le lundi 13 février 2023 à 12:21:08 UTC-5, Dick Pahle a écrit :
>
>> Checking to see if there are any Riv people, other than me, in the 
>> Brevard NC area. I ride a 2015 AHH. 
>>
>> Dick
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: 650b Homer

[Matt Miller]

You all know more than I do. I do like Mile’s thoughts, and I enjoy his bikes. My impression with canti is that the optimal setup is to have the pads contact the rim at a perpendicular angle, or as close to possible. I also thought he talked about getting the angle between cable and arm at 90 degree angle at rim contact. I see Paul ships with thinline. But referencing the old Sheldon Brown site says that Mountain/BMC is improved over the thinline. At this point, all i know is that my brakes aren’t working well enough! I’m going to try extra spacers first. Then will try thicker pads if that doesn’t work. I’ll try to get a photo if I can.MattOn Feb 13, 2023, at 3:46 PM, lconley  wrote:Unfortunately, the black mountain article is full of such total complete nonsense on geometry "(Pad position on the arm") that I cannot take any of it seriously. Whoever wrote it doesn't have a clue. It doesn't matter how many spacers there are on whatever side of the arm, the arc of the pad travel is defined by the brake pivot and rim contact point. That contact point defines the diameter and direction of the rotation of the pad, regardless of the intervening structure.LaingOn Monday, February 13, 2023 at 4:26:29 PM UTC-5 iamkeith wrote:Read the BMC blog I mentioned.  He makes a pretty compelling argument AGAINST using thick pads:https://blackmtncycles.com/get-the-most-out-of-your-canti-brake/On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 9:34:25 AM UTC-7 mmille...@gmail.com wrote:Thank you for your suggestions. It is a custom Homer, and it’s a Waterford from about 2014, according to the serial number. It doesn’t have many mounts, actually. I think if i want a rack, I’ll need to use the canti posts. Need to look that up. May be easier to use a frame bag if I need to carry a bunch. I don’t anticipate this being a grocery-getter!I’ll keep playing with the brakes. I think I’ll have to add more spacers. The rims are pretty narrow. The cables are older and thick. The old pads were worn, so I replaced with thinline, but maybe I should have gotten thicker pads. As you can see, recreational marijuana was legalized here, and the front derailleur is super high. I need to address that, as well. The seller told me he tuned it up. Lol.I think the bars are kind of like albatross/dove. I should measure them. Sent from my iPhoneOn Feb 13, 2023, at 10:04 AM, iamkeith  wrote:Just beautiful.  Well done!So is this a new old stock saluki that you got to paint and decal the way you wanted?  I really like the color.Regarding the cantis,  i'm starting to think there's as much witcthcraft as science to getting them right.  Every once in a while I'll set some up, and they won't work well, and I'll realize that I've just been lucky the other times.  I have those same brakes on a bike and find them to be fantastic, so don't give up on them.  Small adjustments in straddle wire length make a big difference, as does the length from the shoe to the part of the brake that it bolts to.  (You can change the later to be either 3mm, 4mm, 5mm or 6mm by rearranging the spherical washers on the stud.  Usually, less is better (Less flex / bigger leverage ratio/start the pull with arms higher), but skinnier rims or wider post spacing sometimes mandate more spacers.  It looks like you can bolt the pads lower in the vertical adjustment slot, and a little lower on the rim, too - which should help.  Again, lower is better. (Think of the leverage ratio to the arm length on other side of the pivot, to where the cable attaches.)  After your cable stretches and shoes bed in, it'll get better.)  Salmon shoes are great but, if you'll only ride in dry weather, you might like normal black ones too.Shelon Brown and Black Mountain Cycles have articles on canti setup that are worth re-reading every once in a while.On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 3:09:41 PM UTC-7 Luke Hendrickson wrote:Just. Absolutely. Perfect. On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 9:56:06 AM UTC-6 steve...@gmail.com wrote:Wow, I really like that understated, elegant color (yes, I'm drooling).    I've seen that style of stem on  circa 1990's MTBs - I've  owned a Trek  that had one like it, though I think it was 1 1/8".   To my eye, with your level top tube a stem with about a neg 17 degree rise would complement the overall lines of the bike. Maybe a Technomic  to give you plenty of stack (assuming you're looking for that much height).   If you are inclined to splurge that gorgeous bike might even merit a lugged Nitto.     Might the pads on the cantis be past their "best if used before" date?   I have never found shoe sole brakes to be very reliable.     Enjoy that bike!!!   On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 2:06:11 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:Man that's a nice bike, I miss the old flat-toptube Toyo and Waterford frames. I personally like the stem but maybe it needs to be longer to stretch those bars away from you a little more, being too close might be why they feel narrow. But I'd ride it a bit first, the fit may 

Re: [RBW] Re: 650b Homer

[lconley]

Unfortunately, the black mountain article is full of such total complete 
nonsense on geometry "(Pad position on the arm") that I cannot take any of 
it seriously. Whoever wrote it doesn't have a clue. It doesn't matter how 
many spacers there are on whatever side of the arm, the arc of the pad 
travel is defined by the brake pivot and rim contact point. That contact 
point defines the diameter and direction of the rotation of the pad, 
regardless of the intervening structure.

[image: brake.JPG]

Laing

On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 4:26:29 PM UTC-5 iamkeith wrote:

>
> Read the BMC blog I mentioned.  He makes a pretty compelling argument 
> AGAINST using thick pads:
>
> https://blackmtncycles.com/get-the-most-out-of-your-canti-brake/
>
>
> On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 9:34:25 AM UTC-7 mmille...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Thank you for your suggestions. 
>> It is a custom Homer, and it’s a Waterford from about 2014, according to 
>> the serial number. It doesn’t have many mounts, actually. I think if i want 
>> a rack, I’ll need to use the canti posts. Need to look that up. May be 
>> easier to use a frame bag if I need to carry a bunch. I don’t anticipate 
>> this being a grocery-getter!
>>
>> I’ll keep playing with the brakes. I think I’ll have to add more spacers. 
>> The rims are pretty narrow. The cables are older and thick. The old pads 
>> were worn, so I replaced with thinline, but maybe I should have gotten 
>> thicker pads. 
>>
>> As you can see, recreational marijuana was legalized here, and the front 
>> derailleur is super high. I need to address that, as well. The seller told 
>> me he tuned it up. Lol.
>>
>> I think the bars are kind of like albatross/dove. I should measure them. 
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Feb 13, 2023, at 10:04 AM, iamkeith  wrote:
>>
>> Just beautiful.  Well done!
>>
>>
>> So is this a new old stock saluki that you got to paint and decal the way 
>> you wanted?  I really like the color.
>>
>> Regarding the cantis,  i'm starting to think there's as much witcthcraft 
>> as science to getting them right.  Every once in a while I'll set some up, 
>> and they won't work well, and I'll realize that I've just been lucky the 
>> other times.  I have those same brakes on a bike and find them to be 
>> fantastic, so don't give up on them.  Small adjustments in straddle wire 
>> length make a big difference, as does the length from the shoe to the part 
>> of the brake that it bolts to.  (You can change the later to be either 3mm, 
>> 4mm, 5mm or 6mm by rearranging the spherical washers on the stud.  Usually, 
>> less is better (Less flex / bigger leverage ratio/start the pull with arms 
>> higher), but skinnier rims or wider post spacing sometimes mandate more 
>> spacers.  It looks like you can bolt the pads lower in the vertical 
>> adjustment slot, and a little lower on the rim, too - which should help.  
>> Again, lower is better. (Think of the leverage ratio to the arm length on 
>> other side of the pivot, to where the cable attaches.)  After your cable 
>> stretches and shoes bed in, it'll get better.)  Salmon shoes are great but, 
>> if you'll only ride in dry weather, you might like normal black ones too.
>>
>> Shelon Brown and Black Mountain Cycles have articles on canti setup that 
>> are worth re-reading every once in a while.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 3:09:41 PM UTC-7 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>>
>>> Just. Absolutely. Perfect. 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 9:56:06 AM UTC-6 steve...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Wow, I really like that understated, elegant color (yes, I'm drooling). 
I've seen that style of stem on  circa 1990's MTBs - I've  owned a Trek 
  that had one like it, though I think it was 1 1/8".   To my eye, with 
 your 
 level top tube a stem with about a neg 17 degree rise would complement the 
 overall lines of the bike. Maybe a Technomic  to give you plenty of stack 
 (assuming you're looking for that much height).   If you are inclined to 
 splurge that gorgeous bike might even merit a lugged Nitto. Might the 
 pads on the cantis be past their "best if used before" date?   I have 
 never 
 found shoe sole brakes to be very reliable. Enjoy that bike!!!   
 On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 2:06:11 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Man that's a nice bike, I miss the old flat-toptube Toyo and Waterford 
> frames. I personally like the stem but maybe it needs to be longer to 
> stretch those bars away from you a little more, being too close might be 
> why they feel narrow. But I'd ride it a bit first, the fit may work out 
> for 
> you after you've settled into the bike. 
>
> Joe Bernard 
>
> On Saturday, February 11, 2023 at 9:50:39 PM UTC-8 mmille...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I wanted to share a few pics of my new (to me) AHH that a number of 
>> you helped give thoughts on. I've taken it out a 

[RBW] Re: FS: Riv shirts

[Eric Marth]

The Rockmount shirts are great! Lightweight, snap, made in USA. Someone 
should snag 'em. 

On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 2:08:04 PM UTC-5 Edwin W wrote:

> Update:
> SOLD Gray Riv MUSA shirt size L: very good condition $35
> SOLD Riv MUSA railroad shirt size L: two small oil stains, otherwise good 
> $30
> Rockmount blue check cowboy shirt size L: good: collar slightly darkened 
> $30 (bought from Riv)
> Rockmount red check cowboy shirt size L: barely used $40 (bought from 
> Rockmount)
>
> Pictures here 
> 
>
> Edwin
> On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 4:28:02 PM UTC-6 Edwin W wrote:
>
>> Thinning out my closet:
>> Prices include shipping, discount for Nashville pickup.
>> Gray Riv MUSA shirt size L: very good condition $35
>> Riv MUSA railroad shirt size L: two small oil stains, otherwise good $30
>> Rockmount blue check cowboy shirt size L: good: collar slightly darkened 
>> $30 (bought from Riv)
>> Rockmount red check cowboy shirt size L: barely used $40 (bought from 
>> Rockmount)
>>
>> Pictures here 
>> 
>>
>> Buy the lot $110 shipped. 
>>
>> OBO of course,
>>
>> Edwin in Nashville
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: 650b Homer

[iamkeith]

Read the BMC blog I mentioned.  He makes a pretty compelling argument 
AGAINST using thick pads:

https://blackmtncycles.com/get-the-most-out-of-your-canti-brake/


On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 9:34:25 AM UTC-7 mmille...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thank you for your suggestions. 
> It is a custom Homer, and it’s a Waterford from about 2014, according to 
> the serial number. It doesn’t have many mounts, actually. I think if i want 
> a rack, I’ll need to use the canti posts. Need to look that up. May be 
> easier to use a frame bag if I need to carry a bunch. I don’t anticipate 
> this being a grocery-getter!
>
> I’ll keep playing with the brakes. I think I’ll have to add more spacers. 
> The rims are pretty narrow. The cables are older and thick. The old pads 
> were worn, so I replaced with thinline, but maybe I should have gotten 
> thicker pads. 
>
> As you can see, recreational marijuana was legalized here, and the front 
> derailleur is super high. I need to address that, as well. The seller told 
> me he tuned it up. Lol.
>
> I think the bars are kind of like albatross/dove. I should measure them. 
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 13, 2023, at 10:04 AM, iamkeith  wrote:
>
> Just beautiful.  Well done!
>
>
> So is this a new old stock saluki that you got to paint and decal the way 
> you wanted?  I really like the color.
>
> Regarding the cantis,  i'm starting to think there's as much witcthcraft 
> as science to getting them right.  Every once in a while I'll set some up, 
> and they won't work well, and I'll realize that I've just been lucky the 
> other times.  I have those same brakes on a bike and find them to be 
> fantastic, so don't give up on them.  Small adjustments in straddle wire 
> length make a big difference, as does the length from the shoe to the part 
> of the brake that it bolts to.  (You can change the later to be either 3mm, 
> 4mm, 5mm or 6mm by rearranging the spherical washers on the stud.  Usually, 
> less is better (Less flex / bigger leverage ratio/start the pull with arms 
> higher), but skinnier rims or wider post spacing sometimes mandate more 
> spacers.  It looks like you can bolt the pads lower in the vertical 
> adjustment slot, and a little lower on the rim, too - which should help.  
> Again, lower is better. (Think of the leverage ratio to the arm length on 
> other side of the pivot, to where the cable attaches.)  After your cable 
> stretches and shoes bed in, it'll get better.)  Salmon shoes are great but, 
> if you'll only ride in dry weather, you might like normal black ones too.
>
> Shelon Brown and Black Mountain Cycles have articles on canti setup that 
> are worth re-reading every once in a while.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 3:09:41 PM UTC-7 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>
>> Just. Absolutely. Perfect. 
>>
>> On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 9:56:06 AM UTC-6 steve...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Wow, I really like that understated, elegant color (yes, I'm drooling). 
>>>I've seen that style of stem on  circa 1990's MTBs - I've  owned a Trek 
>>>  that had one like it, though I think it was 1 1/8".   To my eye, with your 
>>> level top tube a stem with about a neg 17 degree rise would complement the 
>>> overall lines of the bike. Maybe a Technomic  to give you plenty of stack 
>>> (assuming you're looking for that much height).   If you are inclined to 
>>> splurge that gorgeous bike might even merit a lugged Nitto. Might the 
>>> pads on the cantis be past their "best if used before" date?   I have never 
>>> found shoe sole brakes to be very reliable. Enjoy that bike!!!   
>>> On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 2:06:11 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 Man that's a nice bike, I miss the old flat-toptube Toyo and Waterford 
 frames. I personally like the stem but maybe it needs to be longer to 
 stretch those bars away from you a little more, being too close might be 
 why they feel narrow. But I'd ride it a bit first, the fit may work out 
 for 
 you after you've settled into the bike. 

 Joe Bernard 

 On Saturday, February 11, 2023 at 9:50:39 PM UTC-8 mmille...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> I wanted to share a few pics of my new (to me) AHH that a number of 
> you helped give thoughts on. I've taken it out a few times, and have 
> really 
> enjoyed it. Definitely need to get the brakes set up better, though! I 
> don't think I've had cantis in 20 years. My feet have been utilized 
> often!!!
>
> I'd love some input on the stem/bars. There's nothing wrong with the 
> stem (VO, I think?), but aesthetically, it looks a little imbalanced 
> because of the frame size with the 650b tires, I think. I'm not sure what 
> the bars are. It's a dull finish. It does feel a little narrow, but I 
> wonder if a different stem may alleviate that feeling.
>
> Paint job definitely looks nicer outside than the seller's photo in 
> his basement.
>

Re: [RBW] any bike photos of bikes with the Dia compe 980's?

[jad...@gmail.com]

those look great.

On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 11:11:08 AM UTC-7 David Hays wrote:

> Here’s mu Crust Romanceur with Tia Comp 980’s.
>
> David in Williamsville, Nerw York
>
> [image: Crust-Romanceur-5.19.22.jpg]
>
> On Feb 12, 2023, at 8:39 PM, John Bokman  wrote:
>
> Gorgeous Mercian, Rich!
>
> On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 9:57:41 AM UTC-8 RichS wrote:
>
>> My Mercian with the 980s.
>>
>> Best,
>> Rich in ATL
>>
>> On Saturday, February 11, 2023 at 6:54:32 PM UTC-5 JohnS wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hello Mike with the Bob Jackson. Nice looking bike. What front cable 
>>> hanger is that? I never seen one like it before.
>>> On Saturday, February 11, 2023 at 12:23:01 PM UTC-5 
>>> alexander...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Got some for the Miyata Triple cross I built as a 2 speed a little 
 while back - I've loved them so far. Easy set up and good performance.
 [image: PXL_20221020_032052542.jpg]


 On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 9:33:34 AM UTC-6 jad...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> thinking of replacing my Tektro Oryx's (because the sux) with some 
> 980's. Like to see how they look in the real world..


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[RBW] Re: FS: Riv shirts

[Edwin W]

Update:
SOLD Gray Riv MUSA shirt size L: very good condition $35
SOLD Riv MUSA railroad shirt size L: two small oil stains, otherwise good 
$30
Rockmount blue check cowboy shirt size L: good: collar slightly darkened 
$30 (bought from Riv)
Rockmount red check cowboy shirt size L: barely used $40 (bought from 
Rockmount)

Pictures here 


Edwin
On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 4:28:02 PM UTC-6 Edwin W wrote:

> Thinning out my closet:
> Prices include shipping, discount for Nashville pickup.
> Gray Riv MUSA shirt size L: very good condition $35
> Riv MUSA railroad shirt size L: two small oil stains, otherwise good $30
> Rockmount blue check cowboy shirt size L: good: collar slightly darkened 
> $30 (bought from Riv)
> Rockmount red check cowboy shirt size L: barely used $40 (bought from 
> Rockmount)
>
> Pictures here 
> 
>
> Buy the lot $110 shipped. 
>
> OBO of course,
>
> Edwin in Nashville
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[RBW] Re: Riv Riders in Western NC

[Artaud]

I ride my Hillborne further East in Greensboro, but after riding back home 
from Floyd two summers ago, I've been wanting to spend more time riding in 
the mountains.

Denis, in NC
Le lundi 13 février 2023 à 12:21:08 UTC-5, Dick Pahle a écrit :

> Checking to see if there are any Riv people, other than me, in the Brevard 
> NC area. I ride a 2015 AHH. 
>
> Dick
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[RBW] Re: WTB Atlantis 55 cm

[Chris Dedinsky]

Here's a fine looking 
one: 
https://www.facebook.com/groups/3127504017358010/permalink/5611404848967902/

Good luck!

On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 9:21:36 AM UTC-8 tylerj...@gmail.com wrote:

> In search of an Atlantis 55cm, frame or complete. Let me know what you 
> have or potentially have access to. Thanks in advance.
>

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[RBW] Re: 650b or 700 Bombadil frame question

[Garth]

Oh sheesh, now I was confused too because the linked chart is wrong. I just 
measure mine, and it's the same as your, 62cm c-c along the TT, 63cm 
effective. I never used that chart anyways, it's either a preliminary 
version or it's simply a misprint, I'm guessing a misprint as the ETT jump 
from 56 to 60 frame should be 60.5 to 63, respectively. Every geo chart 
ever printed by Riv, and I've kept most if not all, show the 60cm Bomba 
@63cm ETT. 

As for the tire clearance, those Supremes are what, in the 46-48cm range ? 
Yes, there's lots of room between the stays, and on the front you can fit a 
2.2 without a fender. Between the blades is 63-64mm I think, where the 
fender would go. The chainstays and bridge however I'm not so sure, you'd 
have to either apply some widened calipers to guestimate the width and how 
forward, or just put a mounted tire in there. How much room is enough ? 
Enough that you don't crash and burn if caught in a "jam" ! ((( laughing 
))). 

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[RBW] Re: Cima Coppi Cycle Wear C.B.

[Jeffrey Arita]

We do not (unfortunately) have any experience with their cycling shorts.  
However, my wife and I each own a pair of their wool jerseys and they have 
held up very well.  The Merino wool is very comfortable with excellent 
construction and attention to detail.  We received them in early 2019 and 
have worn them for many brevets.

Jeff & Lori Arita
Claremont, CA



On Saturday, February 4, 2023 at 6:07:32 AM UTC-8 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

> Has anyone ordered any product, namely cycling shorts through this company 
> located in Oviedo, Spain ?
>
> https://cimacoppi.cc/en/content/9-who-we-are
>
> If so, looking for any feedback for consideration of purchasing some 
> cycling shorts.
>
> Thank-you.
>
> Kim Hetzel
> Yelm, WA.

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[RBW] Re: Hillborne vs. Romulus?

[Dave C]

I would be interested in riding the LB. Since I plan on riding my bike 
frequently off road, I wasn't sure how much I would like a low trail bike 
on occasionally chunky and bumpy fire roads in CA. It's a lot to invest in 
a bike like that without trying it out. I am sure the generous tire 
clearance of the LB would help, but not sure about the handling. I hear 
different perspectives about rough road riding in regards to low trail 
design. I have also been interested in the Bombora, which I thought would 
be superior for my choices then the Fargo I had once and sold. Dave

On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 10:23:11 AM UTC-8 bmfo...@gmail.com wrote:

> Dave, if you are alright with 650b wheels the canti-brake Crust Lightning 
> bolt may fit your description. I believe 650x48 unfendered is about max but 
> check their site to be sure.
>
> Brian
>
> On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 9:25:11 AM UTC-6 Dave C wrote:
>
>> I was in a rush yesterday evening when I wrote my last post; here is a 
>> bit more information that might be useful. I have a Romulus, a Hilsen, a 
>> Soma Double Cross, and I used to have an Atlantis that I owned for ten 
>> years (1st ten Toyo). They are all great bikes, but I think that one's 
>> weight, their load, and the terrain and tires make a big difference in how 
>> the bike feels and the perceptions of stiffness. My Atlantis was an 
>> excellent bike, and I sold it due to size (I wanted to run larger tires on 
>> it and it was too large once I put bigger tires on it). For lightly loaded 
>> riding, I prefer the Romulus and Soma, which feel very pleasant with 
>> vigorous efforts on hills, an important quality to me. I believe off road 
>> and/or with greater loads, the bikes may feel differently, but I am still 
>> testing out the Hilsen further. I do have the Hilsen for sale, because I 
>> need a bike more like the Romulus but with tire clearances similar to the 
>> old Atlantis. That is a hard niche to fill, because it seems most bikes 
>> that clear a 45-50 tend to be built up more stiffly relative to the 
>> Romulus. I really believe that our personal attributes are just as 
>> important as the bike's construction; people often state "this bike is 
>> flexy/stiff" but I think it's probably more accurate to say "for my weight 
>> and riding choices, this bike is flexy/stiff". Dave in Carlsbad
>>
>> On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 6:31:55 PM UTC-8 Dave C wrote:
>>
>>> Dan, I have been meaning to write a post about some long term riding 
>>> comparisons I have been making between a Toyo Homer and a Toyo Romulus. I 
>>> have more to say, but I will keep it simple for the moment - yes, there is 
>>> a difference. I have a 59 cm Romulus that rides differently, more flexy in 
>>> a good sense, than the 61 cm Homer.  I will add more later, but I believe 
>>> the Romulus is at my weight -175 pounds - a better ride for light loads and 
>>> fast rides, and the the Homer is a little more stiff, perhaps an advantage 
>>> with greater weight loads. I would wager the Sam will be more like the 
>>> Homer than the Romulus. If you have a 59 cm Romulus, I will buy it from 
>>> you. I have. side pull Romulus and would like a canti one as well.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 7:36:44 AM UTC-8 Dan Sullivan wrote:
>>>
 Wondering what people who have experience with both the early 
 Hillbornes with cantis and the Romulus think about the two in terms of 
 overall impression -- is one "speedier" than the other, or is one stiffer, 
 etc, those kinds of things.  I get that the Hillborne is a tad longer 
 wheelbase and more tire clearance, but just wondering if one or the other 
 is noticeably stiffer than the other?

 Thanks, I have gotten the itch to change things up in my fleet (of two, 
 really not a fleet at all) and since test rides are out of the question 
 looking to the group for advice/opinion.

 thanks, Dan in the deep freeze of winter in Mount Horeb, WI

 ps. I have a canti-Rom, looking at a first-gen green Sam

>>>

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[RBW] Re: New build: 1985 Bridgestone MB-2

[Cyclofiend Jim]

On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 9:19:51 AM UTC-8 Jose wrote:
Amazing build! Did Grant P design the 1985 MB-1 and MB-2? 


No - those were more of a "legacy" design. The MB's in '85 still had the 
long wheelbase design which was the norm in those days. IIRC, the '87 was 
his first full frame design.

1985 - 
https://www.sheldonbrown.com/bridgestone/1985/pages/19-bridgestone-mb-1.html
1987 (with drop bars no less)
https://www.sheldonbrown.com/bridgestone/1987/pages/bridgestone-1987-13.htm
 

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[RBW] Re: Hillborne vs. Romulus?

[Dave C]

When I briefly discussed my comparisons between the Homer and the Romulus, 
I did not consider the differences between the wheelset of the bikes. I 
have basically the same tires on each bike, and each has a Sugino triple, 
but the Romulus has the stock Araya road rims and 105 hubs, whereas the 
Homer has Velocity Dyads and XT hubs. I can't speak to the spoke difference 
right now, but it occurs to me that people have discussed ride quality 
differences between wheelsets. I have to admit I have very little 
understanding of how different rims may affect ride quality, and not just 
in terms of weight differences. I would appreciate any observations people 
have had on how a bike like the Homer might ride differently based on the 
wheelset, assuming the same tires. thanks, Dave

On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 7:36:44 AM UTC-8 Dan Sullivan wrote:

> Wondering what people who have experience with both the early Hillbornes 
> with cantis and the Romulus think about the two in terms of overall 
> impression -- is one "speedier" than the other, or is one stiffer, etc, 
> those kinds of things.  I get that the Hillborne is a tad longer wheelbase 
> and more tire clearance, but just wondering if one or the other is 
> noticeably stiffer than the other?
>
> Thanks, I have gotten the itch to change things up in my fleet (of two, 
> really not a fleet at all) and since test rides are out of the question 
> looking to the group for advice/opinion.
>
> thanks, Dan in the deep freeze of winter in Mount Horeb, WI
>
> ps. I have a canti-Rom, looking at a first-gen green Sam
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[RBW] Re: any bike photos of bikes with the Dia compe 980's?

[Alexander Chalmers]

Thanks! Really went back and forth on silver vs black, but I'm pleased with 
the end result

On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 11:21:36 AM UTC-6 jad...@gmail.com wrote:

> looks great with the black on the green Miyata.
>
> On Saturday, February 11, 2023 at 10:23:01 AM UTC-7 alexander...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Got some for the Miyata Triple cross I built as a 2 speed a little while 
>> back - I've loved them so far. Easy set up and good performance.
>> [image: PXL_20221020_032052542.jpg]
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 9:33:34 AM UTC-6 jad...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> thinking of replacing my Tektro Oryx's (because the sux) with some 
>>> 980's. Like to see how they look in the real world..
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Platypus questions

[Jake Kutchins]

Hey Doug,

I have a 55cm Platypus and an 84cm pbh too. I'm running 60cm wide tosco 
bars with an 85mm faceplater stem and the distance between the center of 
the bar ends to the tip of the saddle is 53.5cm or 21 inches. I feel like 
this set up is really upright in a good way--I had a 110mm technomic stem 
and choco bars before recently making the switch.

Best,
Jake in NYC

On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 5:56:59 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Ack, forgot to add the pic of my mid-tuber. 
>
> [image: Screenshot_20230209_144530.jpg]
>
> On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 2:56:09 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>>
>> Can concur. My 54.3cm custom (79 PBH) has a Platypus-like to toptube 
>> which I consider a "mid-tube" that falls between a traditional diamond 
>> frame and step-through. It's great for stopping for a minute to get both 
>> feet down and check my phone or whatever, but I've had very little success 
>> stepping through it to get on or off the bike. I always kick it and I paid 
>> a lot of money for all that fancy Joe Bell paint so...I don't do that 
>> anymore! Clem L is the trick for stepping through. 
>>
>> Also the L is probably a softer ride. I haven't ridden a Platypus but I 
>> owned its predecessor, a 55cm Cheviot, and it was notably stiffer than the 
>> two sizes of Clem L (45 and 52) that have passed through my hands.   
>> On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 7:33:10 AM UTC-8 Steven Seelig wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Doug,
>>>
>>> My PBH is a little higher than yours.  I just got a new Platypus, well 
>>> last Fall, and followed Riv's advice in getting the 60cm size along with 
>>> pretty long reach Nitto Loscoe handlebars.  Looks like the photos here: 
>>> https://www.rivbike.com/products/frame-platypus-2021
>>>
>>> My experience is that I sometimes step through to get on the bike, but 
>>> it is sorta hard to do that think where you take your leg as you are about 
>>> to dismount while riding and slide it through in front of you to get both 
>>> feet on the ground.the gap .  The frame is just a bit too high for that.  I 
>>> compare that to my first generation Xtracycle long tail, where I have to 
>>> dismount that way because if I swing my leg around I would kick my kid or 
>>> any cargo quite inelegantly.  
>>>
>>> As for mounting the bike, or getting off once stopped, there is still an 
>>> extra bit of leg lifting to do.  So I think Kim is onto something here with 
>>> the Clem.
>>>
>>> Steve Seelig, Wash, DC
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, February 7, 2023 at 9:26:37 PM UTC-5 mma...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Hi Doug! Although not platypuss, I have clem L in both 59cm and 52cm if 
 you want to take a test ride. Holler at me, I'm in the Valley.
 - Matt
 On Tuesday, February 7, 2023 at 5:08:01 PM UTC-8 dougP wrote:

> Thanks for the response, Kim. Really, any Rivendell step thru is an 
> option. I don't do any trail riding so the Platypus is sufficient & I'm 
> guessing will have a softer ride than one of the more trail capable 
> frames. 
> A major factor will be what's available, and with Riv's current delivery 
> program one has to be ready to make a decision & commit on short notice. 
>
> doug
>
> On Tuesday, February 7, 2023 at 6:44:22 AM UTC-8 krhe...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi Doug,
>>
>> With the purchase of my Clem Smith Jr. "L" bicycle, it was the best 
>> option for me in choosing a bicycle with a step-through frame with an 
>> upright riding position as a senior cyclist. Yes, I had trouble swinging 
>> my 
>> right leg over the back end of my previous bike, as well.  I have been 
>> looking for these requirements in a bike for quite a few years.  
>> Furthermore, I enjoy the Clem's capabilities as being a ATB. A very 
>> solid 
>> and sure-footed bike. 
>>
>> The Clem maybe an option for you ?
>>
>> Kim Hetzel
>> Yelm, WA.
>>
>>
>> On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 7:44:54 PM UTC-8 dougP wrote:
>>
>>> I love my Atlantis, but it's getting harder to swing the old leg 
>>> over the saddle. Time to move on to a step thru. The Platypus looks 
>>> like 
>>> the best option for my riding, mostly short trips around town. 
>>>
>>> The 55 cm fits my PBH (84) & saddle height. What I'm interested in 
>>> doing is comparing the geometry to my 58 cm Toyo Atlantis. 
>>> Specifically, 
>>> I'm curious about the distance of the seat from the bars. I seem to be 
>>> shrinking in my old age & the reach on the Atlantis is just a bit too 
>>> far. 
>>> Not unridable but a noticeable stretch, even with a short stem & swept 
>>> back 
>>> bars.
>>>
>>> Let me know if you may be of assistance. Be forewarned I'll probably 
>>> think of some more questions if this looks promising. It would be 
>>> fantastic 
>>> is you're in southern California.
>>>
>>> Doug Peterson 
>>>  
>>>
>>

[RBW] Re: Cima Coppi Cycle Wear C.B.

[Josh (BertoBerg)]

I have two short-sleeve jerseys from Cima Coppi. They are both top notch! I 
wear a large in their sizing but a medium in “American” sizing if that’s 
helpful at all. Can’t comment on shorts specifically though. 

Josh Youngberg
Bainbridge Island, WA

On Saturday, February 4, 2023 at 6:07:32 AM UTC-8 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

> Has anyone ordered any product, namely cycling shorts through this company 
> located in Oviedo, Spain ?
>
> https://cimacoppi.cc/en/content/9-who-we-are
>
> If so, looking for any feedback for consideration of purchasing some 
> cycling shorts.
>
> Thank-you.
>
> Kim Hetzel
> Yelm, WA.

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[RBW] Re: Just restored '95 Riv Road

[Armand Kizirian]

God that is gorgeous. Good you on for being content with a bike/frame for 
so long! Cheers to another 25 years of riding. 

On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 2:49:17 PM UTC-8 peter@gmail.com wrote:

> Steve, 
> Here are a few more photos.  
>
> I'm a  mostly-retired IT director/executive and more recently a 
> photographer (and thus the studio shots). I was actually surprised how nice 
> they came out as it was a rush job with a single light source (which was a 
> 72" umbrella). Anyway, sometimes less is more!
>
>  [image: _PSG0700- FM sRGB 2400px.jpg]
> [image: _PSG0703- FM sRGB 2400px.jpg]
>
> [image: _PSG0706- FM sRGB 2400px.jpg]
>
> [image: _PSG0715- FM sRGB 2400px.jpg]
>
> On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 11:26:30 AM UTC-5 steve...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Wow! Beautiful restoration. I love the fact that you've owned the bike 
>> since it's inception - and are still into it enough to lavish that much 
>> love on it. Thanks for posting. Share some more pics. I'd love to see the 
>> details.
>>
>> On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 10:36:36 AM UTC-5 peter@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> This may be my first post here,  though it's likely I posted way back 
>>> when  (I probably should check that!) 
>>>
>>> ... So I just had my 1995 Rivendell Road restored at Waterford Precision 
>>> Cycles late last Fall.  I actually ordered the frame in 1995, it was brazed 
>>> at the Waterford factory in late '95 and delivered to me in January of 
>>> 1996.  So I consider a 1995. It was originally Sherwood Forest Green.  
>>>
>>> Here it is now:
>>>
>>> [image: Rivendell Studio 1-28-230034- Format10 export.jpg]
>>>
>>> By luck or happenstance, I actually worked directly with Richard Schwinn 
>>> on the project and I gravitated toward the color "*English Light Blue 
>>> metalic"  *when I saw a sample *.  *At first I wasn't sure the re-paint 
>>> would happen as a few surface rust spots could have been worse than 
>>> suspected, but all the potential problems turned out to be superficial.
>>>
>>> I rode this bike over the last 27+ years in a variety of 
>>> configurations:  as a near-racer, later a fendered commuter, at some points 
>>> I added indexed Suntour Superbe derailleurs and later an old Simplex rear 
>>> friction derailleur. It had Modolo brakes for years as well as some 1989 
>>> single Pivot Dura-Ace calipers. Eventually it received hand-me-down older 
>>> racing bike parts, Shimano and Campy,  from my racing bikes and it is now 
>>> pretty much a traditional British style race bike in the tradition of the 
>>> Bridgestone RB-1, except with 11-speed drive train.  
>>>
>>> This current build is mostly Campy with an Athena rear derailleur (I 
>>> wanted a lot of chrome), Record square taper BB and crank (maybe my 
>>> favorite crank of all time),  rebuilt Record hubs, Chorus calipers and 
>>> record front derailleur..  The seatpost is a cool Salsa that can be tilted 
>>> with out loosening the clamp. Stem is a wonderful old Nitto Pearl. Rims are 
>>> Hed Belgium with 28c Rene Hearse tires. The seat is a no-name something or 
>>> other I found on Amazon and bought for the color, turns out to be a great 
>>> seat for me.
>>>
>>> So I  just finished the build last week and felt this was a good place 
>>> to share. I have a particular affinity for the Richard Sachs designed lugs.
>>>
>>> [image: _PSG0709- FM sRGB 2400px 1.jpg] 
>>>
>>> Here is a cloud folder of frame-only photos and a few after built.
>>> https://ln5.sync.com/dl/daf4b7440/vjrbrwbt-ipme6hme-k74hpdjr-9ky5ayyr
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] WTB Atlantis 55 cm

[Tyler McClure]

In search of an Atlantis 55cm, frame or complete. Let me know what you have 
or potentially have access to. Thanks in advance.

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[RBW] Re: any bike photos of bikes with the Dia compe 980's?

[jad...@gmail.com]

looks great with the black on the green Miyata.

On Saturday, February 11, 2023 at 10:23:01 AM UTC-7 alexander...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Got some for the Miyata Triple cross I built as a 2 speed a little while 
> back - I've loved them so far. Easy set up and good performance.
> [image: PXL_20221020_032052542.jpg]
>
>
> On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 9:33:34 AM UTC-6 jad...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> thinking of replacing my Tektro Oryx's (because the sux) with some 980's. 
>> Like to see how they look in the real world..
>
>

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[RBW] Riv Riders in Western NC

[Dick Pahle]

Checking to see if there are any Riv people, other than me, in the Brevard 
NC area. I ride a 2015 AHH. 

Dick

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[RBW] Homer Hilson Flatbar Setup- Brevets/PBP

[Don McCall]

Looking for subject pics and any feedback on doing long brevets on a Homer 
w/ flat bars, Thanks

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[RBW] Re: New build: 1985 Bridgestone MB-2

[Jose]

Amazing build! Did Grant P design the 1985 MB-1 and MB-2? 

On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 3:06:27 PM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> [image: MB-2 230115 S 00 Complete.jpg]
>
> Hi all — I just finished up a build, it's a 1985 Bridgestone MB-2. I have 
> a full build video up over here: https://youtu.be/gJPnbpzjbKg
>
> [image: MB-2 230115 S 01 Complete.jpg]
>
> I purchased the bike as a complete from Marketplace, it was stock but for 
> the saddle and tires. Everything was removed and I passed the frame over to 
> Rob Gassie at Bing Bicycles. He added some rack mounts to the fork and seat 
> stays, changes some the cable guides, added a third bottle boss to the 
> downtube and two additional bottle bosses to the underside. He also 
> stripped the frame to raw steel. 
>
> [image: MB-2 230115 S 02 Headbadge.jpg]
>
> Instead of paint I went for a raw finish. There are two applications of 
> patination acids, with and without heat, followed by clear lacquer and wax. 
>
> [image: MB-2 230115 S Rear mech.jpg]
>
> It's built up with a mix of parts from across time, all silver. 
> De-anodized some black Paul cantilevers and also de-anodized an XTR 
> RD-M952. Dead stock WTB grease guard headset purchased from Jacque Phelan. 
> Lots of Suntour, some TA cranks and modern parts from Japan. Crust x Nitto 
> Shaka bars, MKS bear trap pedals, Nitto cable hanger. 
>
> [image: MB-2 230115 S Downtube.jpg]
>
> I had some custom brass headbadges made with the old Bridgestone logo 
> which I shaped and finished. 
>
> [image: MB2 09 SM Head tube.jpg]
>
> Velocity Atlas 26" wheelset with a Kasai dynamo hub up front and an XTR 
> M900 in the rear. Front wheel by Rich at Rivendell, rear built by Andre at 
> my local bike shop. I'm running Rene Herse extra-light tires with a Rat 
> Trap Pass in the back and a Humptulips Ridge in front. 
>
> Many thanks to members here for helping out with parts when I needed them: 
> Trevor B., Dave H., Liz S. and Patrick M. 
>
> • Velocity Atlas 26" 32/32 wheelset
> • Rene Herse Antelope Hill, extra light
> • Rene Herse Rat Trap Pass, extra light
> • Shimano XTR M900 rear hub
> • Kasai 32H front hub
> • Schmidt Edelux II polished headlight
> • Busch + Müller light mount
> • Crust x Nitto Shaka handlebars, 54cm
> • Newbaum's cotton bar tape, white
> • Suntour Bar-Con shifters
> • Suntour Superbe levers
> • Paul Neo Retro cantilever brakes, front
> • Paul Touring cantilever brakes, rear
> • Hunter Nugz barrel adjusters
> • Dia Compe yoke hangers
> • Fairweather x Nitto stem-mounted cable hanger
> • Nitto Technomic 6cm stem, 26.0 clamp 
> • WTB New Paradigm Grease Guard headset 
> • TA Specialities Cyclotourist crankset, 48/42/28, 170mm 
> • Shimano 115mm square taper bottom bracket 
> • Shimano 9 speed 12-36 cassette
> • MKS XC-III pedals
> • Suntour AR front derailer
> • Shimano XTR MD-952 rear derailer 
> • Suntour XC Pro seat post 
> • Brooks Conquest saddle
> • Wheels Mfg. brass housing ferrules
> • Sim Works x Nissen brass cable ferrules
> • Sim Works x Nissen brake and shift housing 
> • Sim Works x Hoshi
> • M5 brass socket head screws
> • Shovel Research M5 brass slotted screws
>
> Larger pictures here: 
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_gXuRvwsKYVjG7GLMqFf2KGhPrYRNlp3/view?usp=sharing
>
> Thanks for lookin'! 
>

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Re: [RBW] WTB/WTT – Huret Jubilee Long Cage Rear Derailleur

[Luke Hendrickson]

That’s an issue I didn’t know that I would face with the Jubilee 臘‍♂️ 
Maybe the shop where I work could help with some sort of workaround or…?

On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 10:37:42 AM UTC-6 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Luke, totally with you on a cushy rando rig with 42s and want to build one 
> myself. I've enjoyed the Extralights on my Hillborne and MB-2, getting them 
> at cost would be nice! My first set was old, worn in and I got em for free 
> from a friend so much like drugs, they were free at first and now I'm 
> addicted. 
>
> How are you going to work around the dropout issue? I thought those were 
> threaded either for Huret or Campagnolo dropouts? 
>
> On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 11:16:24 AM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>
>>
>> Ha! Very true, Eric. With my original intent in mind, I’m interested in 
>> getting a frame that can fit 28s at least and then throw a Jubilee and 
>> matching fd on it. The only other $$ would probably be on some René Herse 
>> Extralights (which I can get at cost). 
>> On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 10:01:28 AM UTC-6 jak...@me.com wrote:
>>
>>> I have an early 90s RB-1 with 28s on it, and you can barely see the 
>>> light of day between the rubber and the frame.  Anything much larger is a 
>>> no-go without some chainstay mods and a switch to 650s on that frame.  That 
>>> Jubilee sure is purty though!
>>>
>>> On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 10:43:07 AM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Luke — That doesn't sound like a budget bike! Might you consider an 
 early 90s Bridgestone RB-1, slap some new tires on it and call it a day?

 I do love the idea of your build and the intended rims and components 
 you mentioned. Certainly a worthwhile build I'd love to see realized. It's 
 just gonna be costly! The Sachs-Huret front derailers are nice-looking. 

 Can anyone share their experiences with the Jubilee? I've never run 
 one, I'm curious how well they shift. What kind of cassette limitations do 
 you encounter with one? 


 On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 10:44:05 PM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson 
 wrote:

> Tempted… For about $50 more, there’s a nearly NOS example on eBay I 
> just found today.
>
> On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 7:09:28 PM UTC-6 MoVelo wrote:
>
>> No relation to me.
>>
>>
>> https://bikerecyclery.com/nos-huret-jubilee-long-cage-rear-derailleur-2248-touring-rare-take-off/
>>
>>
>> JP
>>
>> On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 4:15:33 PM UTC-6 Ken Mattina wrote:
>>
>>> Well since this is just a fun exercise, how about H plus Son rims? 
>>> Either the archetype or TB14.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Feb 12, 2023 at 1:49 PM Luke Hendrickson <
>>> phendr...@paulpath.net> wrote:
>>>
 Eric – French rando with or without fenders and perhaps 42mm tires 
 or so. Downtube shifters with a Berthoud saddle or Brooks (I have an 
 extra 
 B17 after all). No dynamo but leaning towards Atlas or Pacenti rims 
 with 
 polished or frosted hubs (no need for anything horribly expensive 
 here). 
 Leather wrapped drops with Gran Compe brake levers however I’m unsure 
 about 
 the gearing, crankset, pedals, or front derailleur. I’m leaning 
 towards a 
 matching Huret but TBD. 

 And this was meant to be a budget build for traveling purposes 
 only, too. 臘‍♂️

 Patrick – ha! You’ve helped muddy the waters some with a wonderful 
 assortment of components. This group is the best/worst lol. Those 
 Duprats 
 are STUNNING. 

 On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 3:20:40 PM UTC-6 Patrick Moore 
 wrote:

> On Sun, Feb 12, 2023 at 10:51 AM RichS  
> wrote:
>
>> Hey Luke, I like your idea but if you locate one of those 
>> gorgeous Jubilees you will have to compliment it with other jewel 
>> like 
>> components and a worthy frame.
>>
>> On Saturday, February 11, 2023 at 7:07:42 PM UTC-5 
>> rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Hands down the most beautiful, jewelry like rear derailleur ever 
>>> made, IMHO.
>>>
>>
> Picking up again on this thread: I do think that the Jubilee RD is 
> an aesthetic jewel (and I read that it actually shifts pretty well). 
> But 
> let's take this idea further. What *other *components would all 
> y'all choose to best complement a jewel-like Jubilee RD? Hubs, rims, 
> cranks, pedals, brakes, levers, seatposts, stems, bars, saddles, 
> racks, 
> cages, luggage, bells, lights?
>
> Stab #1. I tentatively suggest these for pretty as well as 
> superlative performance.
> Hubs: Phil. Accept no substitute. Amen. For dynamos, SON. Or 

Re: [RBW] WTB/WTT – Huret Jubilee Long Cage Rear Derailleur

[Eric Marth]

Luke, totally with you on a cushy rando rig with 42s and want to build one 
myself. I've enjoyed the Extralights on my Hillborne and MB-2, getting them 
at cost would be nice! My first set was old, worn in and I got em for free 
from a friend so much like drugs, they were free at first and now I'm 
addicted. 

How are you going to work around the dropout issue? I thought those were 
threaded either for Huret or Campagnolo dropouts? 

On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 11:16:24 AM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:

>
> Ha! Very true, Eric. With my original intent in mind, I’m interested in 
> getting a frame that can fit 28s at least and then throw a Jubilee and 
> matching fd on it. The only other $$ would probably be on some René Herse 
> Extralights (which I can get at cost). 
> On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 10:01:28 AM UTC-6 jak...@me.com wrote:
>
>> I have an early 90s RB-1 with 28s on it, and you can barely see the light 
>> of day between the rubber and the frame.  Anything much larger is a no-go 
>> without some chainstay mods and a switch to 650s on that frame.  That 
>> Jubilee sure is purty though!
>>
>> On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 10:43:07 AM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Luke — That doesn't sound like a budget bike! Might you consider an 
>>> early 90s Bridgestone RB-1, slap some new tires on it and call it a day?
>>>
>>> I do love the idea of your build and the intended rims and components 
>>> you mentioned. Certainly a worthwhile build I'd love to see realized. It's 
>>> just gonna be costly! The Sachs-Huret front derailers are nice-looking. 
>>>
>>> Can anyone share their experiences with the Jubilee? I've never run one, 
>>> I'm curious how well they shift. What kind of cassette limitations do you 
>>> encounter with one? 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 10:44:05 PM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>>>
 Tempted… For about $50 more, there’s a nearly NOS example on eBay I 
 just found today.

 On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 7:09:28 PM UTC-6 MoVelo wrote:

> No relation to me.
>
>
> https://bikerecyclery.com/nos-huret-jubilee-long-cage-rear-derailleur-2248-touring-rare-take-off/
>
>
> JP
>
> On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 4:15:33 PM UTC-6 Ken Mattina wrote:
>
>> Well since this is just a fun exercise, how about H plus Son rims? 
>> Either the archetype or TB14.
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 12, 2023 at 1:49 PM Luke Hendrickson <
>> phendr...@paulpath.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Eric – French rando with or without fenders and perhaps 42mm tires 
>>> or so. Downtube shifters with a Berthoud saddle or Brooks (I have an 
>>> extra 
>>> B17 after all). No dynamo but leaning towards Atlas or Pacenti rims 
>>> with 
>>> polished or frosted hubs (no need for anything horribly expensive 
>>> here). 
>>> Leather wrapped drops with Gran Compe brake levers however I’m unsure 
>>> about 
>>> the gearing, crankset, pedals, or front derailleur. I’m leaning towards 
>>> a 
>>> matching Huret but TBD. 
>>>
>>> And this was meant to be a budget build for traveling purposes only, 
>>> too. 臘‍♂️
>>>
>>> Patrick – ha! You’ve helped muddy the waters some with a wonderful 
>>> assortment of components. This group is the best/worst lol. Those 
>>> Duprats 
>>> are STUNNING. 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 3:20:40 PM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 On Sun, Feb 12, 2023 at 10:51 AM RichS  wrote:

> Hey Luke, I like your idea but if you locate one of those gorgeous 
> Jubilees you will have to compliment it with other jewel like 
> components 
> and a worthy frame.
>
> On Saturday, February 11, 2023 at 7:07:42 PM UTC-5 
> rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hands down the most beautiful, jewelry like rear derailleur ever 
>> made, IMHO.
>>
>
 Picking up again on this thread: I do think that the Jubilee RD is 
 an aesthetic jewel (and I read that it actually shifts pretty well). 
 But 
 let's take this idea further. What *other *components would all 
 y'all choose to best complement a jewel-like Jubilee RD? Hubs, rims, 
 cranks, pedals, brakes, levers, seatposts, stems, bars, saddles, 
 racks, 
 cages, luggage, bells, lights?

 Stab #1. I tentatively suggest these for pretty as well as 
 superlative performance.
 Hubs: Phil. Accept no substitute. Amen. For dynamos, SON. Or 
 perhaps a NOS Sturmey Archer Dynohub, all 4 lb of it. Oh, and a 
 rechromed, 
 2022 1937 SA TC hub looks PDG too.
 Rims: ? (I confess I choose by the best ratio of weight and 
 strength, very informally determined, so I can't say which are 
 prettiest.)
 Cranks: Dura Ace 7410 followed closely by the DA GA 200 / 

Re: [RBW] Re: 650b Homer

[Matt Miller]

Thank you for your suggestions. It is a custom Homer, and it’s a Waterford from about 2014, according to the serial number. It doesn’t have many mounts, actually. I think if i want a rack, I’ll need to use the canti posts. Need to look that up. May be easier to use a frame bag if I need to carry a bunch. I don’t anticipate this being a grocery-getter!I’ll keep playing with the brakes. I think I’ll have to add more spacers. The rims are pretty narrow. The cables are older and thick. The old pads were worn, so I replaced with thinline, but maybe I should have gotten thicker pads. As you can see, recreational marijuana was legalized here, and the front derailleur is super high. I need to address that, as well. The seller told me he tuned it up. Lol.I think the bars are kind of like albatross/dove. I should measure them. Sent from my iPhoneOn Feb 13, 2023, at 10:04 AM, iamkeith  wrote:Just beautiful.  Well done!So is this a new old stock saluki that you got to paint and decal the way you wanted?  I really like the color.Regarding the cantis,  i'm starting to think there's as much witcthcraft as science to getting them right.  Every once in a while I'll set some up, and they won't work well, and I'll realize that I've just been lucky the other times.  I have those same brakes on a bike and find them to be fantastic, so don't give up on them.  Small adjustments in straddle wire length make a big difference, as does the length from the shoe to the part of the brake that it bolts to.  (You can change the later to be either 3mm, 4mm, 5mm or 6mm by rearranging the spherical washers on the stud.  Usually, less is better (Less flex / bigger leverage ratio/start the pull with arms higher), but skinnier rims or wider post spacing sometimes mandate more spacers.  It looks like you can bolt the pads lower in the vertical adjustment slot, and a little lower on the rim, too - which should help.  Again, lower is better. (Think of the leverage ratio to the arm length on other side of the pivot, to where the cable attaches.)  After your cable stretches and shoes bed in, it'll get better.)  Salmon shoes are great but, if you'll only ride in dry weather, you might like normal black ones too.Shelon Brown and Black Mountain Cycles have articles on canti setup that are worth re-reading every once in a while.On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 3:09:41 PM UTC-7 Luke Hendrickson wrote:Just. Absolutely. Perfect. On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 9:56:06 AM UTC-6 steve...@gmail.com wrote:Wow, I really like that understated, elegant color (yes, I'm drooling).    I've seen that style of stem on  circa 1990's MTBs - I've  owned a Trek  that had one like it, though I think it was 1 1/8".   To my eye, with your level top tube a stem with about a neg 17 degree rise would complement the overall lines of the bike. Maybe a Technomic  to give you plenty of stack (assuming you're looking for that much height).   If you are inclined to splurge that gorgeous bike might even merit a lugged Nitto.     Might the pads on the cantis be past their "best if used before" date?   I have never found shoe sole brakes to be very reliable.     Enjoy that bike!!!   On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 2:06:11 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:Man that's a nice bike, I miss the old flat-toptube Toyo and Waterford frames. I personally like the stem but maybe it needs to be longer to stretch those bars away from you a little more, being too close might be why they feel narrow. But I'd ride it a bit first, the fit may work out for you after you've settled into the bike. Joe Bernard On Saturday, February 11, 2023 at 9:50:39 PM UTC-8 mmille...@gmail.com wrote:I wanted to share a few pics of my new (to me) AHH that a number of you helped give thoughts on. I've taken it out a few times, and have really enjoyed it. Definitely need to get the brakes set up better, though! I don't think I've had cantis in 20 years. My feet have been utilized often!!!I'd love some input on the stem/bars. There's nothing wrong with the stem (VO, I think?), but aesthetically, it looks a little imbalanced because of the frame size with the 650b tires, I think. I'm not sure what the bars are. It's a dull finish. It does feel a little narrow, but I wonder if a different stem may alleviate that feeling.Paint job definitely looks nicer outside than the seller's photo in his basement.Also need to give a huge thanks to Jake from Florida for the saddle. You are very generous. There are a couple prints that will be mailed to you this week. Thank you.Matt in STL



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Re: [RBW] Re: any bike photos of bikes with the Dia compe 980's?

[R Shannon]

Hello John,

Frame is an Audax Special. 725 tubing.
TT = 25.4
DT & ST = 28.6

Any other questions just let me know.
- Rich

On Sun, Feb 12, 2023 at 9:36 PM, John Bokman  wrote:

> King of Mercia?
>
> Tubing specs by chance? 753? 853?
>
> Looks like standard diameter tubing?
>
>
>
>
> On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 5:47:40 PM UTC-8 RichS wrote:
>
>> Thank you John, I appreciate it!
>> -Rich
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 12, 2023 at 8:39 PM, John Bokman  wrote:
>>
>>> Gorgeous Mercian, Rich!
>>>
>>> On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 9:57:41 AM UTC-8 RichS wrote:
>>>
 My Mercian with the 980s.

 Best,
 Rich in ATL

 On Saturday, February 11, 2023 at 6:54:32 PM UTC-5 JohnS wrote:

>
> Hello Mike with the Bob Jackson. Nice looking bike. What front cable
> hanger is that? I never seen one like it before.
> On Saturday, February 11, 2023 at 12:23:01 PM UTC-5
> alexander...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Got some for the Miyata Triple cross I built as a 2 speed a little
>> while back - I've loved them so far. Easy set up and good performance.
>> [image: PXL_20221020_032052542.jpg]
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 9:33:34 AM UTC-6 jad...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> thinking of replacing my Tektro Oryx's (because the sux) with some
>>> 980's. Like to see how they look in the real world..
>>
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Re: [RBW] WTB/WTT – Huret Jubilee Long Cage Rear Derailleur

[Luke Hendrickson]

Ha! Very true, Eric. With my original intent in mind, I’m interested in 
getting a frame that can fit 28s at least and then throw a Jubilee and 
matching fd on it. The only other $$ would probably be on some René Herse 
Extralights (which I can get at cost). 
On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 10:01:28 AM UTC-6 jak...@me.com wrote:

> I have an early 90s RB-1 with 28s on it, and you can barely see the light 
> of day between the rubber and the frame.  Anything much larger is a no-go 
> without some chainstay mods and a switch to 650s on that frame.  That 
> Jubilee sure is purty though!
>
> On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 10:43:07 AM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Luke — That doesn't sound like a budget bike! Might you consider an early 
>> 90s Bridgestone RB-1, slap some new tires on it and call it a day?
>>
>> I do love the idea of your build and the intended rims and components you 
>> mentioned. Certainly a worthwhile build I'd love to see realized. It's just 
>> gonna be costly! The Sachs-Huret front derailers are nice-looking. 
>>
>> Can anyone share their experiences with the Jubilee? I've never run one, 
>> I'm curious how well they shift. What kind of cassette limitations do you 
>> encounter with one? 
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 10:44:05 PM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>>
>>> Tempted… For about $50 more, there’s a nearly NOS example on eBay I just 
>>> found today.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 7:09:28 PM UTC-6 MoVelo wrote:
>>>
 No relation to me.


 https://bikerecyclery.com/nos-huret-jubilee-long-cage-rear-derailleur-2248-touring-rare-take-off/


 JP

 On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 4:15:33 PM UTC-6 Ken Mattina wrote:

> Well since this is just a fun exercise, how about H plus Son rims? 
> Either the archetype or TB14.
>
> On Sun, Feb 12, 2023 at 1:49 PM Luke Hendrickson <
> phendr...@paulpath.net> wrote:
>
>> Eric – French rando with or without fenders and perhaps 42mm tires or 
>> so. Downtube shifters with a Berthoud saddle or Brooks (I have an extra 
>> B17 
>> after all). No dynamo but leaning towards Atlas or Pacenti rims with 
>> polished or frosted hubs (no need for anything horribly expensive here). 
>> Leather wrapped drops with Gran Compe brake levers however I’m unsure 
>> about 
>> the gearing, crankset, pedals, or front derailleur. I’m leaning towards 
>> a 
>> matching Huret but TBD. 
>>
>> And this was meant to be a budget build for traveling purposes only, 
>> too. 臘‍♂️
>>
>> Patrick – ha! You’ve helped muddy the waters some with a wonderful 
>> assortment of components. This group is the best/worst lol. Those 
>> Duprats 
>> are STUNNING. 
>>
>> On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 3:20:40 PM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, Feb 12, 2023 at 10:51 AM RichS  wrote:
>>>
 Hey Luke, I like your idea but if you locate one of those gorgeous 
 Jubilees you will have to compliment it with other jewel like 
 components 
 and a worthy frame.

 On Saturday, February 11, 2023 at 7:07:42 PM UTC-5 
 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hands down the most beautiful, jewelry like rear derailleur ever 
> made, IMHO.
>

>>> Picking up again on this thread: I do think that the Jubilee RD is 
>>> an aesthetic jewel (and I read that it actually shifts pretty well). 
>>> But 
>>> let's take this idea further. What *other *components would all 
>>> y'all choose to best complement a jewel-like Jubilee RD? Hubs, rims, 
>>> cranks, pedals, brakes, levers, seatposts, stems, bars, saddles, racks, 
>>> cages, luggage, bells, lights?
>>>
>>> Stab #1. I tentatively suggest these for pretty as well as 
>>> superlative performance.
>>> Hubs: Phil. Accept no substitute. Amen. For dynamos, SON. Or perhaps 
>>> a NOS Sturmey Archer Dynohub, all 4 lb of it. Oh, and a rechromed, 2022 
>>> 1937 SA TC hub looks PDG too.
>>> Rims: ? (I confess I choose by the best ratio of weight and 
>>> strength, very informally determined, so I can't say which are 
>>> prettiest.)
>>> Cranks: Dura Ace 7410 followed closely by the DA GA 200 / 300. But 
>>> really, though, the prettiest cranksets of all time bar none are some 
>>> of 
>>> the best cottered steel cranks: ethereally slender, with a shine only 
>>> chrome can give. The lightest were lighther than some aluminum 
>>> "cotterless" 
>>> cranks.
>>> Brakes: I use Paul's for practical reasons and the polished silvers 
>>> are nice but I can't say that they're the prettiest.
>>> Pedals: ?? I use XTRs and XTs and Dura Ace SPDs and M540s but these 
>>> are not exactly pretty.
>>> Levers: ? I like the Dura Ace BL 7401.
>>> Seatpost: DA 7410.
>>> Bar: Rene Herse polished Nitto.
>>> 

[RBW] Re: 650b Homer

[iamkeith]

Just beautiful.  Well done!

So is this a new old stock saluki that you got to paint and decal the way 
you wanted?  I really like the color.

Regarding the cantis,  i'm starting to think there's as much witcthcraft as 
science to getting them right.  Every once in a while I'll set some up, and 
they won't work well, and I'll realize that I've just been lucky the other 
times.  I have those same brakes on a bike and find them to be fantastic, 
so don't give up on them.  Small adjustments in straddle wire length make a 
big difference, as does the length from the shoe to the part of the brake 
that it bolts to.  (You can change the later to be either 3mm, 4mm, 5mm or 
6mm by rearranging the spherical washers on the stud.  Usually, less is 
better (Less flex / bigger leverage ratio/start the pull with arms higher), 
but skinnier rims or wider post spacing sometimes mandate more spacers.  It 
looks like you can bolt the pads lower in the vertical adjustment slot, and 
a little lower on the rim, too - which should help.  Again, lower is 
better. (Think of the leverage ratio to the arm length on other side of the 
pivot, to where the cable attaches.)  After your cable stretches and shoes 
bed in, it'll get better.)  Salmon shoes are great but, if you'll only ride 
in dry weather, you might like normal black ones too.

Shelon Brown and Black Mountain Cycles have articles on canti setup that 
are worth re-reading every once in a while.





On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 3:09:41 PM UTC-7 Luke Hendrickson wrote:

> Just. Absolutely. Perfect. 
>
> On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 9:56:06 AM UTC-6 steve...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Wow, I really like that understated, elegant color (yes, I'm drooling).   
>>  I've seen that style of stem on  circa 1990's MTBs - I've  owned a Trek 
>>  that had one like it, though I think it was 1 1/8".   To my eye, with your 
>> level top tube a stem with about a neg 17 degree rise would complement the 
>> overall lines of the bike. Maybe a Technomic  to give you plenty of stack 
>> (assuming you're looking for that much height).   If you are inclined to 
>> splurge that gorgeous bike might even merit a lugged Nitto. Might the 
>> pads on the cantis be past their "best if used before" date?   I have never 
>> found shoe sole brakes to be very reliable. Enjoy that bike!!!   
>> On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 2:06:11 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Man that's a nice bike, I miss the old flat-toptube Toyo and Waterford 
>>> frames. I personally like the stem but maybe it needs to be longer to 
>>> stretch those bars away from you a little more, being too close might be 
>>> why they feel narrow. But I'd ride it a bit first, the fit may work out for 
>>> you after you've settled into the bike. 
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard 
>>>
>>> On Saturday, February 11, 2023 at 9:50:39 PM UTC-8 mmille...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I wanted to share a few pics of my new (to me) AHH that a number of you 
 helped give thoughts on. I've taken it out a few times, and have really 
 enjoyed it. Definitely need to get the brakes set up better, though! I 
 don't think I've had cantis in 20 years. My feet have been utilized 
 often!!!

 I'd love some input on the stem/bars. There's nothing wrong with the 
 stem (VO, I think?), but aesthetically, it looks a little imbalanced 
 because of the frame size with the 650b tires, I think. I'm not sure what 
 the bars are. It's a dull finish. It does feel a little narrow, but I 
 wonder if a different stem may alleviate that feeling.

 Paint job definitely looks nicer outside than the seller's photo in his 
 basement.

 Also need to give a huge thanks to Jake from Florida for the saddle. 
 You are very generous. There are a couple prints that will be mailed to 
 you 
 this week. Thank you.

 Matt in STL[image: IMG_2319.jpeg][image: IMG_2323.jpeg][image: 
 IMG_2325.jpeg][image: IMG_2326.jpeg]

>>>

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Re: [RBW] WTB/WTT – Huret Jubilee Long Cage Rear Derailleur

['Slacky Mac' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I have an early 90s RB-1 with 28s on it, and you can barely see the light 
of day between the rubber and the frame.  Anything much larger is a no-go 
without some chainstay mods and a switch to 650s on that frame.  That 
Jubilee sure is purty though!

On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 10:43:07 AM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Luke — That doesn't sound like a budget bike! Might you consider an early 
> 90s Bridgestone RB-1, slap some new tires on it and call it a day?
>
> I do love the idea of your build and the intended rims and components you 
> mentioned. Certainly a worthwhile build I'd love to see realized. It's just 
> gonna be costly! The Sachs-Huret front derailers are nice-looking. 
>
> Can anyone share their experiences with the Jubilee? I've never run one, 
> I'm curious how well they shift. What kind of cassette limitations do you 
> encounter with one? 
>
>
> On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 10:44:05 PM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>
>> Tempted… For about $50 more, there’s a nearly NOS example on eBay I just 
>> found today.
>>
>> On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 7:09:28 PM UTC-6 MoVelo wrote:
>>
>>> No relation to me.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://bikerecyclery.com/nos-huret-jubilee-long-cage-rear-derailleur-2248-touring-rare-take-off/
>>>
>>>
>>> JP
>>>
>>> On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 4:15:33 PM UTC-6 Ken Mattina wrote:
>>>
 Well since this is just a fun exercise, how about H plus Son rims? 
 Either the archetype or TB14.

 On Sun, Feb 12, 2023 at 1:49 PM Luke Hendrickson <
 phendr...@paulpath.net> wrote:

> Eric – French rando with or without fenders and perhaps 42mm tires or 
> so. Downtube shifters with a Berthoud saddle or Brooks (I have an extra 
> B17 
> after all). No dynamo but leaning towards Atlas or Pacenti rims with 
> polished or frosted hubs (no need for anything horribly expensive here). 
> Leather wrapped drops with Gran Compe brake levers however I’m unsure 
> about 
> the gearing, crankset, pedals, or front derailleur. I’m leaning towards a 
> matching Huret but TBD. 
>
> And this was meant to be a budget build for traveling purposes only, 
> too. 臘‍♂️
>
> Patrick – ha! You’ve helped muddy the waters some with a wonderful 
> assortment of components. This group is the best/worst lol. Those Duprats 
> are STUNNING. 
>
> On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 3:20:40 PM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Feb 12, 2023 at 10:51 AM RichS  wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Luke, I like your idea but if you locate one of those gorgeous 
>>> Jubilees you will have to compliment it with other jewel like 
>>> components 
>>> and a worthy frame.
>>>
>>> On Saturday, February 11, 2023 at 7:07:42 PM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com
>>>  wrote:
>>>
 Hands down the most beautiful, jewelry like rear derailleur ever 
 made, IMHO.

>>>
>> Picking up again on this thread: I do think that the Jubilee RD is an 
>> aesthetic jewel (and I read that it actually shifts pretty well). But 
>> let's 
>> take this idea further. What *other *components would all y'all 
>> choose to best complement a jewel-like Jubilee RD? Hubs, rims, cranks, 
>> pedals, brakes, levers, seatposts, stems, bars, saddles, racks, cages, 
>> luggage, bells, lights?
>>
>> Stab #1. I tentatively suggest these for pretty as well as 
>> superlative performance.
>> Hubs: Phil. Accept no substitute. Amen. For dynamos, SON. Or perhaps 
>> a NOS Sturmey Archer Dynohub, all 4 lb of it. Oh, and a rechromed, 2022 
>> 1937 SA TC hub looks PDG too.
>> Rims: ? (I confess I choose by the best ratio of weight and strength, 
>> very informally determined, so I can't say which are prettiest.)
>> Cranks: Dura Ace 7410 followed closely by the DA GA 200 / 300. But 
>> really, though, the prettiest cranksets of all time bar none are some of 
>> the best cottered steel cranks: ethereally slender, with a shine only 
>> chrome can give. The lightest were lighther than some aluminum 
>> "cotterless" 
>> cranks.
>> Brakes: I use Paul's for practical reasons and the polished silvers 
>> are nice but I can't say that they're the prettiest.
>> Pedals: ?? I use XTRs and XTs and Dura Ace SPDs and M540s but these 
>> are not exactly pretty.
>> Levers: ? I like the Dura Ace BL 7401.
>> Seatpost: DA 7410.
>> Bar: Rene Herse polished Nitto.
>> Saddle: ?
>> Cages: The Nitto one is prettiest but I gave up after 2 broke on me 
>> and sought solace in the uglier but still presentable and far, far 
>> stronger 
>> (and much cheaper) King Iris.
>> Racks: I don't use them, but I'd have to say Nitto for looks. I use 
>> customs or Tubus for practical.
>> Luggage: Rivendell post-Cartwright, but no g-damned tweed.
>> Bells: ? Spurcycle? I use these, but they're not shiny.
>> Lights: 

Re: [RBW] WTB/WTT – Huret Jubilee Long Cage Rear Derailleur

[Eric Marth]

Luke — That doesn't sound like a budget bike! Might you consider an early 
90s Bridgestone RB-1, slap some new tires on it and call it a day?

I do love the idea of your build and the intended rims and components you 
mentioned. Certainly a worthwhile build I'd love to see realized. It's just 
gonna be costly! The Sachs-Huret front derailers are nice-looking. 

Can anyone share their experiences with the Jubilee? I've never run one, 
I'm curious how well they shift. What kind of cassette limitations do you 
encounter with one? 


On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 10:44:05 PM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:

> Tempted… For about $50 more, there’s a nearly NOS example on eBay I just 
> found today.
>
> On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 7:09:28 PM UTC-6 MoVelo wrote:
>
>> No relation to me.
>>
>>
>> https://bikerecyclery.com/nos-huret-jubilee-long-cage-rear-derailleur-2248-touring-rare-take-off/
>>
>>
>> JP
>>
>> On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 4:15:33 PM UTC-6 Ken Mattina wrote:
>>
>>> Well since this is just a fun exercise, how about H plus Son rims? 
>>> Either the archetype or TB14.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Feb 12, 2023 at 1:49 PM Luke Hendrickson  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Eric – French rando with or without fenders and perhaps 42mm tires or 
 so. Downtube shifters with a Berthoud saddle or Brooks (I have an extra 
 B17 
 after all). No dynamo but leaning towards Atlas or Pacenti rims with 
 polished or frosted hubs (no need for anything horribly expensive here). 
 Leather wrapped drops with Gran Compe brake levers however I’m unsure 
 about 
 the gearing, crankset, pedals, or front derailleur. I’m leaning towards a 
 matching Huret but TBD. 

 And this was meant to be a budget build for traveling purposes only, 
 too. 臘‍♂️

 Patrick – ha! You’ve helped muddy the waters some with a wonderful 
 assortment of components. This group is the best/worst lol. Those Duprats 
 are STUNNING. 

 On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 3:20:40 PM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:

> On Sun, Feb 12, 2023 at 10:51 AM RichS  wrote:
>
>> Hey Luke, I like your idea but if you locate one of those gorgeous 
>> Jubilees you will have to compliment it with other jewel like components 
>> and a worthy frame.
>>
>> On Saturday, February 11, 2023 at 7:07:42 PM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hands down the most beautiful, jewelry like rear derailleur ever 
>>> made, IMHO.
>>>
>>
> Picking up again on this thread: I do think that the Jubilee RD is an 
> aesthetic jewel (and I read that it actually shifts pretty well). But 
> let's 
> take this idea further. What *other *components would all y'all 
> choose to best complement a jewel-like Jubilee RD? Hubs, rims, cranks, 
> pedals, brakes, levers, seatposts, stems, bars, saddles, racks, cages, 
> luggage, bells, lights?
>
> Stab #1. I tentatively suggest these for pretty as well as superlative 
> performance.
> Hubs: Phil. Accept no substitute. Amen. For dynamos, SON. Or perhaps a 
> NOS Sturmey Archer Dynohub, all 4 lb of it. Oh, and a rechromed, 2022 
> 1937 
> SA TC hub looks PDG too.
> Rims: ? (I confess I choose by the best ratio of weight and strength, 
> very informally determined, so I can't say which are prettiest.)
> Cranks: Dura Ace 7410 followed closely by the DA GA 200 / 300. But 
> really, though, the prettiest cranksets of all time bar none are some of 
> the best cottered steel cranks: ethereally slender, with a shine only 
> chrome can give. The lightest were lighther than some aluminum 
> "cotterless" 
> cranks.
> Brakes: I use Paul's for practical reasons and the polished silvers 
> are nice but I can't say that they're the prettiest.
> Pedals: ?? I use XTRs and XTs and Dura Ace SPDs and M540s but these 
> are not exactly pretty.
> Levers: ? I like the Dura Ace BL 7401.
> Seatpost: DA 7410.
> Bar: Rene Herse polished Nitto.
> Saddle: ?
> Cages: The Nitto one is prettiest but I gave up after 2 broke on me 
> and sought solace in the uglier but still presentable and far, far 
> stronger 
> (and much cheaper) King Iris.
> Racks: I don't use them, but I'd have to say Nitto for looks. I use 
> customs or Tubus for practical.
> Luggage: Rivendell post-Cartwright, but no g-damned tweed.
> Bells: ? Spurcycle? I use these, but they're not shiny.
> Lights: Edeluxe.
>
> Bad photo but best I could find of Duprat hollow-arm steel cottered 
> crank:
>
> [image: image.png]
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Re: [RBW] Re: any bike photos of bikes with the Dia compe 980's?

[Eric Marth]

I'd like to add I think the 980s are a great looking brake, nice for the 
price, classic, innocuous, they check a lot of boxes. 

You should buy that set from Jeff, you can't go wrong.

On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 10:24:32 AM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:

> Hey strong +1 that the Tektro Oryx brakes are terrible. Had a set on my 
> Surly LHT. 
>
> Here is a pic of the same LHT with 980s right before I sold it. 
>
> [image: surly01.jpg]
>
> [image: surly03.jpg]
>
> On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 11:07:00 PM UTC-5 Mike Godwin wrote:
>
>> Hi John S
>>
>> Erik Billings who did the braze-on mods and other frame stuff, I asked 
>> him to make a rigid longer drop cable hanger. It is chro-mo tubing, 
>> probably seat stay tube with a 6 mm barrel braze-on. Erik made two of them, 
>> one went to someone on the i-bob, 650b, or Riv list. Powder coated aluminum 
>> color when the frame was done in green.  He also made a couple of "paper 
>> clip" style rear cable hangers - longer than Nitto or SOMA - that hangs 
>> from the seat post clamp bolt. 
>>
>> Mike SLO CA
>> On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 6:36:48 PM UTC-8 John Bokman wrote:
>>
>>> King of Mercia?
>>>
>>> Tubing specs by chance? 753? 853?
>>>
>>> Looks like standard diameter tubing?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 5:47:40 PM UTC-8 RichS wrote:
>>>
 Thank you John, I appreciate it!
 -Rich 

 On Sun, Feb 12, 2023 at 8:39 PM, John Bokman  wrote:

> Gorgeous Mercian, Rich!
>
> On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 9:57:41 AM UTC-8 RichS wrote:
>
>> My Mercian with the 980s.
>>
>> Best,
>> Rich in ATL
>>
>> On Saturday, February 11, 2023 at 6:54:32 PM UTC-5 JohnS wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hello Mike with the Bob Jackson. Nice looking bike. What front cable 
>>> hanger is that? I never seen one like it before.
>>> On Saturday, February 11, 2023 at 12:23:01 PM UTC-5 
>>> alexander...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Got some for the Miyata Triple cross I built as a 2 speed a little 
 while back - I've loved them so far. Easy set up and good performance.
 [image: PXL_20221020_032052542.jpg]


 On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 9:33:34 AM UTC-6 jad...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> thinking of replacing my Tektro Oryx's (because the sux) with some 
> 980's. Like to see how they look in the real world..

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Re: [RBW] Re: any bike photos of bikes with the Dia compe 980's?

[Eric Marth]

I'd like to add I think the 980s are a great looking brake, nice for the 
price, classic, innocuous, they check a lot of boxes. 

If you can find 'em in stock in silver I'd say pick them up, you can't go 
wrong. 

On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 10:24:32 AM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:

> Hey strong +1 that the Tektro Oryx brakes are terrible. Had a set on my 
> Surly LHT. 
>
> Here is a pic of the same LHT with 980s right before I sold it. 
>
> [image: surly01.jpg]
>
> [image: surly03.jpg]
>
> On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 11:07:00 PM UTC-5 Mike Godwin wrote:
>
>> Hi John S
>>
>> Erik Billings who did the braze-on mods and other frame stuff, I asked 
>> him to make a rigid longer drop cable hanger. It is chro-mo tubing, 
>> probably seat stay tube with a 6 mm barrel braze-on. Erik made two of them, 
>> one went to someone on the i-bob, 650b, or Riv list. Powder coated aluminum 
>> color when the frame was done in green.  He also made a couple of "paper 
>> clip" style rear cable hangers - longer than Nitto or SOMA - that hangs 
>> from the seat post clamp bolt. 
>>
>> Mike SLO CA
>> On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 6:36:48 PM UTC-8 John Bokman wrote:
>>
>>> King of Mercia?
>>>
>>> Tubing specs by chance? 753? 853?
>>>
>>> Looks like standard diameter tubing?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 5:47:40 PM UTC-8 RichS wrote:
>>>
 Thank you John, I appreciate it!
 -Rich 

 On Sun, Feb 12, 2023 at 8:39 PM, John Bokman  wrote:

> Gorgeous Mercian, Rich!
>
> On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 9:57:41 AM UTC-8 RichS wrote:
>
>> My Mercian with the 980s.
>>
>> Best,
>> Rich in ATL
>>
>> On Saturday, February 11, 2023 at 6:54:32 PM UTC-5 JohnS wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hello Mike with the Bob Jackson. Nice looking bike. What front cable 
>>> hanger is that? I never seen one like it before.
>>> On Saturday, February 11, 2023 at 12:23:01 PM UTC-5 
>>> alexander...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Got some for the Miyata Triple cross I built as a 2 speed a little 
 while back - I've loved them so far. Easy set up and good performance.
 [image: PXL_20221020_032052542.jpg]


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> thinking of replacing my Tektro Oryx's (because the sux) with some 
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[RBW] WTT: my 170mm Sugino AT crank arms for your 175mm... or similar

[Patch T]

(Crosspost!) Hi Folks,

Looking to trade my 170mm Sugino AT crank arms for your same 175mm crank 
arms, or something comparably well-made + attractive + vintage-y/ish + 
triple 110/74... Ritchey Logic anyone :) ?  No need for chainrings.

Have other items to sweeten potential trades. Trying not to spend actual 
moneys at this time.

Thanks!
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[RBW] Re: New Handlebar Suggestions

[Johnny Alien]

@Joe the Albastache bars for sure get you more upright than drops. For 
someone coming from years of drop usage and looking to get a bit more 
upright I think its a good next move that also has the benefit of keeping 
the majority of your cockpit and brake set making it a much cheaper and 
quicker option. How upright will be dictated by your setup. Most of the 
people here set up sweptbacks with an angled down stem (requiring a super 
long stem) with a super long extension. I never understood the part about 
sweeping back when all you do is extend the stem so far that they sweep 
back less. On top of that the stem extends so far that the gripping the 
front area position becomes a stretch. An albastache with a short extension 
and angled up stem can get you reasonably upright. Just my opinion and at 
the end of the day handlebars are a bit of a personal thing so what works 
for one will be a disaster for another. For the record my personal favorite 
is the losco bar.

On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 4:09:26 AM UTC-5 John Johnson wrote:

> Hi Bob!
>
> I agree with Doug that handlebars are a mix of personal preference + bike 
> and body type + riding style. I rode Noodles for a long time on my X0-1 and 
> then switched to Albastache bars (which wasn't that much of a difference, 
> just a bit higher position than the noodles - like staying in the hoods all 
> the time more/less). The immediate benefit was not having to change brakes 
> or cables, I just unwrapped and swapped the bars, keeping the same levers 
> and shifters. On my other bikes I ride Toscos, Jones H Loop, and Bullmoose 
> bars. The XO is finally set up with Albatross bars and I feel like they are 
> a really great middle ground between aggressive (Albastache, Noodles) and 
> very swept back (B/L/Tosco, Chocos, or Billies). I don't have any magic 
> formula for stem length, etc., but I feel like the Albas are a good intro 
> to the world of swept-backitude.
>
> cheers,
>
> John
> [image: 2c955091-de31-49cf-a627-12b6fe75e5ad.jpg]
>
> On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 5:07:30 AM UTC+1 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> I would argue that Albastache isn't an upright/swept back bar as the OP 
>> specified, it's a dropbar with the curves lifted up so the low position is 
>> gone. Not that there's anything wrong with that! 
>>
>> On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 7:56:38 PM UTC-8 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>
>>> Albastache is the perfect medium. You can keep your brakes an all as 
>>> well.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 10:39:53 PM UTC-5 steve...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Another couple of swept back bar examples to add to the mix. Yep, I 
 also have a collection of stems and bars taking up space in the garage.
 First bar: Not a Riv/Not a Nitto, but similar to the Albastache, 
 mounted with a 25mm rise on a 35 deg x 90mm stem (it's a Whiskey Winston). 
 Lots of hand positions and a good range of fore-aft hip flexion. I can get 
 'aero-ish' on the forward bend.
 Second one is a VO Porter on a 70mm Technomic stem. It accomplishes 
 pretty much the same things. The hoods on the levers provide the forward 
 reach.  

 [image: sweptbackbars1.jpg]

 [image: Porteurbars1.jpg]




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[RBW] Re: 650b or 700 Bombadil frame question

[Garth]

Max, Your frame pictured appears to be a 60cm, which is measured center-BB 
to the top of the seat tube( C-T for short ).

The TT be measured center seat tube to center head tube ( C-C ). If 
measured along the top tube, regardless of angle, that's called the "actual 
TT". If the measured horizontally from the center-head tube horizontally to 
where it "would" meet the center seat tube(if it was that high), that's the 
effective TT( ETT ). The ETT is a virtual figure, it's "virtually" there 
but not actually !  Your TT ought to measure 63cm actual, 64cm effective. 
The effective can be a bit tricky, if you have a long straight edge with a 
level on it it's easy-er. 

For the canti wheel distance, just measure from the center dropout to the 
center canti post (where it meets the frame, not it's extension), along the 
seat stay. On the photo for example, you'd just draw a line along the chain 
stay between those two points, c-c.  Any way you do it will work as long as 
you're consistent. 

By your photo I assume you are referring to the fitting of tires with the 
fenders installed ? If so, well it's not sized for that, the max tire size 
is for no fenders. You have to take in account the actual tire shape/type 
itself also, a Marathon Supreme is more like a slick tire. Knobbies need 
more room. Your Supreme with "room to spare" to you, doesn't appear to have 
any room to spare to me. I assume the fenders are P50's ?  Fenders do need 
room for debris to pass. I have P50's and Big Ben's on my 60 Bomba and 
despite the tire being actually 46mm wide, it does rub very slightly 
against the mounting bracket rod inner hardware every so often when shaken 
hard. It's also a relatively tall tire, so that has to be accounted for 
also. So the clearance is just not vertical, it's also horizontal, the 
inner hardware, notably on SKS fenders. 


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