Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Mountain Works Elf Pouch

[Kim H.]

Good find, Igor !

Kim.

On Sun, Aug 13, 2023, 4:09 PM Igor  wrote:

> Could get one from the source
> https://www.rivendellmountainworks.com/shop/elf-pouch-belt-pouch-for-hiking-and-travelling/
>
> On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 6:15:13 PM UTC-4 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> As a suggestion for something to hold you over until the RIV MOUNTAIN
>> WORKS ELF pouches return to being in stock again, I found a couple of pen
>> and pencil holders for school supplies from Walmart that work real well,
>> both for a tool pouch and another holding small items, like a tire tube,
>> cell phone, snacks, etc.
>>
>>
>> https://www.walmart.com/browse/office-supplies/pencil-pouches/1229749_9412206_8443517_8299765?action=SignIn=true
>>
>>
>> https://www.walmart.com/ip/Casual-Gray-Large-Pencil-Cases-for-Students-Back-to-School-Stationery-Organizer-for-School-Office-Supplies/766051509
>>
>> Kim Hetzel
>> Yelm, WA.
>>
>> On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 2:42:30 PM UTC-7 ted.l...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I’ve been waiting for these to come back but stupidly wasn’t signed up
>>> for the back on stock notifications (I am now!) and missed this last
>>> restock. They look super duper handy!
>>>
>>> On Sat, Aug 12, 2023 at 5:04 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>
 Can also recommend - since the Elf Pouch is out of stock again - the
 FlatSack. I don't actually use mine on the bike (it would fit in my Medium
 SaddleSack); I'm a transit bus driver and put paperwork, hole punch, Cliff
 Bar and my car key in it. Super handy!

 https://www.rivbike.com/products/sackville-flatsack-olive


 On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 10:18:13 AM UTC-7 jaredwilson wrote:

> I'll second the usefulness of these little bags, I take mine with my
> daily and love having my small items contained in one location.
>
> 10/10 recommend, congrats to those who got one before they sold out,
> and when they come back I highly recommend picking one up.
>
> jared
>
> On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 9:58:09 AM UTC-7 rockthr...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> These weren't announced as 'back in stock', but I just found them on
>> the website. I got one from the first batch and find it very useful. Belt
>> loops on the back to make it a very nice hip pack for carrying the core
>> essentials.
>>
>>
>> https://www.rivbike.com/products/rivendell-mountain-works-elf-pouch-belt-pouch
>>
>>
>> *disclaimer - if this post goes up after the bags sell out it's
>> because I'm still a newb and my content gets reviewed before.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Mountain Works Elf Pouch

[Igor]

Could get one from the 
source 
https://www.rivendellmountainworks.com/shop/elf-pouch-belt-pouch-for-hiking-and-travelling/

On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 6:15:13 PM UTC-4 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

> As a suggestion for something to hold you over until the RIV MOUNTAIN 
> WORKS ELF pouches return to being in stock again, I found a couple of pen 
> and pencil holders for school supplies from Walmart that work real well, 
> both for a tool pouch and another holding small items, like a tire tube, 
> cell phone, snacks, etc.
>
>
> https://www.walmart.com/browse/office-supplies/pencil-pouches/1229749_9412206_8443517_8299765?action=SignIn=true
>
>
> https://www.walmart.com/ip/Casual-Gray-Large-Pencil-Cases-for-Students-Back-to-School-Stationery-Organizer-for-School-Office-Supplies/766051509
>
> Kim Hetzel
> Yelm, WA. 
>
> On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 2:42:30 PM UTC-7 ted.l...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I’ve been waiting for these to come back but stupidly wasn’t signed up 
>> for the back on stock notifications (I am now!) and missed this last 
>> restock. They look super duper handy!
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 12, 2023 at 5:04 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>
>>> Can also recommend - since the Elf Pouch is out of stock again - the 
>>> FlatSack. I don't actually use mine on the bike (it would fit in my Medium 
>>> SaddleSack); I'm a transit bus driver and put paperwork, hole punch, Cliff 
>>> Bar and my car key in it. Super handy! 
>>>
>>> https://www.rivbike.com/products/sackville-flatsack-olive
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 10:18:13 AM UTC-7 jaredwilson wrote:
>>>
 I'll second the usefulness of these little bags, I take mine with my 
 daily and love having my small items contained in one location.

 10/10 recommend, congrats to those who got one before they sold out, 
 and when they come back I highly recommend picking one up.

 jared

 On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 9:58:09 AM UTC-7 rockthr...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> These weren't announced as 'back in stock', but I just found them on 
> the website. I got one from the first batch and find it very useful. Belt 
> loops on the back to make it a very nice hip pack for carrying the core 
> essentials. 
>
>
> https://www.rivbike.com/products/rivendell-mountain-works-elf-pouch-belt-pouch
>
>
> *disclaimer - if this post goes up after the bags sell out it's 
> because I'm still a newb and my content gets reviewed before.
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[RBW] Re: rack for Wald 139

['John Phillips' via RBW Owners Bunch]

+1 for Pass and Stow racks.

Old Man Mountain is now offering a wider platform Pizza Rack, but haven't 
tried it.

I would also recommend using the widest bars you're comfortable with for 
riding with big front loads, but YMMV.

Confession: I do not like big front loads.

John

On Tuesday, April 11, 2023 at 5:29:38 PM UTC-7 J Schwartz wrote:

> Greetings
> I'm interested in racking my Wald 139 big basket and am curious what ppl 
> are using for a rack.
> I just got an email that the basket rack is back in stock at RBW, and I'm 
> considering just buying it but I'm really just not onboard with spending 
> $288 on a front rack despite how well it's made and special it is..  I may 
> pull the trigger on it anyway but wanted to check here to see what users of 
> the 139 are doing to attach it to the fronts of their bikes.
> I already have an old Nitto R14 "Top Rack" that I know some people have 
> used in the front and zipped a 139 on top.  Mine is older and doesn't have 
> any diving board provisions so it's only 4 struts but I assume it's strong 
> enough if installed well.   My intention was to use that rack on the rear 
> of the bike though.
> Any suggestions for a support for the 139 that isn't $288?
> thanks
> JS
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Wheel Builder

[Josh C]

Thanks Laing. I do have a set of VO rims on a bike that I recently acquired 
and like them so far. I've ridden on them throughout the summer quite a 
bit. I like that they come in a polished finish but the highest hole count 
is 36. I'm not sure how they will hold up just yet, but they seem nice. 
Wish they did 'em in a 40h. I don't mind truing a wheel, and have a truing 
stand, but I'd rather have a pro build the wheel. 

On Sunday, August 13, 2023 at 2:05:52 PM UTC-4 lconley wrote:

> I almost always build my own wheels, but you cannot go wrong with either 
> Rich Lesnik (Rivendell / Hands On Wheels) or Peter White. I have had wheels 
> from both, and they were flawless. Not local to you though, west coast and 
> east coast respectively.
>
> I use Velocity or Velo Orange rims; Phil Wood, White Industries, Paul, 
> Curtis Odom or classic Campagnolo hubs (Nuovo Record or Tipo); and 
> Wheelsmith (out of production but still out there) or Sapim spokes. Most of 
> my wheels are now 40 and 48 spoke, but I do have quite a few 36 and even a 
> couple 32s.
>
> Laing
> Delray Beach FL
>
> On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 9:13:50 AM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>
>> I could use a recommendation for a good wheel builder. I've used 
>> prowheelbuilder.com in the past and have no complaints. Not sure how I 
>> landed on them. Just curious if there is another business that I should be 
>> looking into? I'm located in Indianapolis as well, and would prefer sending 
>> business to a local or at least midwest company if possible.  
>>
>> I'm looking for a set of 700c wheels for my Atlantis. I'm thinking I'll 
>> do velocity cliffhangers with a SON up front and a nice rear hub. The rear 
>> is not yet totally decided as I like quiet hubs but there are not many 
>> options in rim brake, 36-40h hubs these days. I've got an onyx silent hub 
>> on my crust and love it but they only go up to 32h and I'd prefer 36 or 40 
>> as I'm a big dude. Which is why I'm thinking about a white industry (loud 
>> as they come) rear hub in 36 or 40h. 
>>
>> Anyway. I'd like to hear about your preferred wheel builders. 
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] A College Clem

[Ryan]

Not to put a damper on things...but those in academia employed as 
professors can probably wheel their bikes into their offices(if they;ve got 
room or make room),  a  privilege students don't enjoy unless they're grad 
students who may be lucky enough to share office space.

And one other thing to note is that your son might add an inch or so to 
that 6'1'' frame. It's so weird...I've been reading and enjoying your posts 
since those boys were in elementary school...wow! 

On Sunday, August 13, 2023 at 12:46:28 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> These posts are so engaging. I have enjoyed reading all of them, and I see 
> your points and they are good ones. 
>
> I may send my son off with the 52 Clem as a test bike, but it really is 
> too small. My WORD, the big Clem L fits him so nicely. Still, I hate to 
> risk it right away before he really gets a lay of the land and sees where 
> the safe bike parking is located. Further complicating matters is that I 
> plan to get him a dyno wheelset and the 52 takes 650b and the big Clem 
> 700c. Not interchangeable, sigh. 
>
> I am most encouraged by those in academia who have reported they still 
> have their bikes after years of commuting with them. Bike thieves; there’s 
> gotta be a special place in hell for those…
> L
>
> On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 3:15:03 PM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> My take, in point form: 
>>
>> - Any bike is at risk of theft or vandalism in this situation, no matter 
>> how 'perfectly suited' to the job it is. 
>> - That said, the Clem L is definitely less attractive to thieves than a 
>> Surly, despite being better in our eyes. Surlys are much better known. 
>> - If you are comfortable with a real risk of losing it to theft, and want 
>> to see it live its life, I'd go for it
>> - If it's painful to think of it being stolen, I'd hold it back and buy a 
>> $300 single speed for its disposable nature
>>
>> On Saturday, 12 August 2023 at 10:00:07 UTC-7 dajo...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Let's make it 3 for 3.  Keep the new Clem at home.  There will be plenty 
>>> of time for him to enjoy it during college breaks, and post-college.  In 
>>> 20+ years as a campus pastor at a Big 12 university, I don't ever recall 
>>> seeing that nice of a bike on campus.
>>>
>>> David Jones 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Aug 5, 2023, 9:56 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 It nearly kills me to say it, but my older son will be heading to 
 college in a year. Freshman aren’t to bring cars to campus, so that leaves 
 buses, bikes, and your own two feet for transportation. My boys have grown 
 up riding Clem Hs; this son rides a 52 cm cast-off from my husband (who 
 doesn’t ride, sigh). 

 My 6’3” Dad had a blue 59 cm Clem on order when he died suddenly in 
 2020, and his blue Clem has sat, boxed, waiting for my boy to grow into 
 it. 
 I lugged the gargantuan box up from the basement last week to see how if 
 the bike would fit. “Now that I’ve obtained optimal height,” my son is 
 fond 
 of saying… 

 Anyway, he’s 6’1” now (likely still growing) and I need him to decide 
 if he wants to stick with his old Clem H (that he was fond of) or settle 
 into this Clem L. Because whichever bike he chooses is getting new wheels, 
 dyno and fenders and going to college with him. At first he was opposed to 
 the idea of a new Clem; he liked his old Clem, thought it looked cool. But 
 after the - as he calls it - Big Bike was assembled, he really began to 
 like it. “It looks elegant,” he said. It really does, all long and lithe, 
 in blue and silver. He put his saddle and bags on the bike and we test 
 rode 
 it tonight. He said, “I am really liking the Big Bike. I like that my 
 knees 
 don’t have anything to hit (geez, were his knees hitting his bars?!) and 
 it 
 looks elegant. It feels more at home now that I have my old saddle on it.” 

 I have mixed feelings about sending him to college with this bike, 
 because it’s so nice. I also doubt he’ll be able to get it on a bus bike 
 rack - and I have no idea how often he will want to do that. His bike life 
 is totally unknown at this point. All I know is that I’m getting him dyno 
 because the kid has never remembered to charge a light in his LIFE and I 
 will not sleep at night without it.The 52 takes 650b wheels and the 59 
 takes 700c, so I don’t want to buy the wheels until I know which bike he 
 really wants. But as of now, he wants his new bike.

 I know people will say we should just get a beater. I know why that 
 would be advisable, but I also hate to think of a Clem languishing when it 
 could be serving a noble purpose. I’d love for him and his Clem to journey 
 through undergrad together.

 I am wondering…has anyone gone to college or sent their kid to college 
 with a Clem? What do you have 

[RBW] Re: Wheel Builder

[lconley]

I almost always build my own wheels, but you cannot go wrong with either 
Rich Lesnik (Rivendell / Hands On Wheels) or Peter White. I have had wheels 
from both, and they were flawless. Not local to you though, west coast and 
east coast respectively.

I use Velocity or Velo Orange rims; Phil Wood, White Industries, Paul, 
Curtis Odom or classic Campagnolo hubs (Nuovo Record or Tipo); and 
Wheelsmith (out of production but still out there) or Sapim spokes. Most of 
my wheels are now 40 and 48 spoke, but I do have quite a few 36 and even a 
couple 32s.

Laing
Delray Beach FL

On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 9:13:50 AM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:

> I could use a recommendation for a good wheel builder. I've used 
> prowheelbuilder.com in the past and have no complaints. Not sure how I 
> landed on them. Just curious if there is another business that I should be 
> looking into? I'm located in Indianapolis as well, and would prefer sending 
> business to a local or at least midwest company if possible.  
>
> I'm looking for a set of 700c wheels for my Atlantis. I'm thinking I'll do 
> velocity cliffhangers with a SON up front and a nice rear hub. The rear is 
> not yet totally decided as I like quiet hubs but there are not many options 
> in rim brake, 36-40h hubs these days. I've got an onyx silent hub on my 
> crust and love it but they only go up to 32h and I'd prefer 36 or 40 as I'm 
> a big dude. Which is why I'm thinking about a white industry (loud as they 
> come) rear hub in 36 or 40h. 
>
> Anyway. I'd like to hear about your preferred wheel builders. 
>

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[RBW] FS: Tires

[twowheeledtexan]

Have a few sets of tires that need to be passed along. Prices per set and 
include shipping in US. Pics in the link.

Compass Switchback Hill Extralight 650bx48 $100  I forgot I had these 
otherwise I would have been using them. Light use.
Bruce Gordon Rock and Road 700x43 $60  Low miles on these
Riv Fatty Rumpkin 650bx41.5 $35  I got these used, never used them and have 
no idea how old or mileage but they feel like they'd be fine.
Schwalbe Ice Spiker Pro 29x2.25 $40  I had aspirations of using these in 
the winter, never happened. Bought them used, have tubeless gunk in them, 
but all the studs look to have lots of life left. 

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1-4xkrMUV1Jn3yUTzSyzUQE5DlsuBEs5i?usp=sharing

Thanks everyone!
Aaron

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Re: [RBW] A College Clem

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

These posts are so engaging. I have enjoyed reading all of them, and I see 
your points and they are good ones. 

I may send my son off with the 52 Clem as a test bike, but it really is too 
small. My WORD, the big Clem L fits him so nicely. Still, I hate to risk it 
right away before he really gets a lay of the land and sees where the safe 
bike parking is located. Further complicating matters is that I plan to get 
him a dyno wheelset and the 52 takes 650b and the big Clem 700c. Not 
interchangeable, sigh. 

I am most encouraged by those in academia who have reported they still have 
their bikes after years of commuting with them. Bike thieves; there’s gotta 
be a special place in hell for those…
L

On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 3:15:03 PM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote:

> My take, in point form: 
>
> - Any bike is at risk of theft or vandalism in this situation, no matter 
> how 'perfectly suited' to the job it is. 
> - That said, the Clem L is definitely less attractive to thieves than a 
> Surly, despite being better in our eyes. Surlys are much better known. 
> - If you are comfortable with a real risk of losing it to theft, and want 
> to see it live its life, I'd go for it
> - If it's painful to think of it being stolen, I'd hold it back and buy a 
> $300 single speed for its disposable nature
>
> On Saturday, 12 August 2023 at 10:00:07 UTC-7 dajo...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Let's make it 3 for 3.  Keep the new Clem at home.  There will be plenty 
>> of time for him to enjoy it during college breaks, and post-college.  In 
>> 20+ years as a campus pastor at a Big 12 university, I don't ever recall 
>> seeing that nice of a bike on campus.
>>
>> David Jones 
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 5, 2023, 9:56 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> It nearly kills me to say it, but my older son will be heading to 
>>> college in a year. Freshman aren’t to bring cars to campus, so that leaves 
>>> buses, bikes, and your own two feet for transportation. My boys have grown 
>>> up riding Clem Hs; this son rides a 52 cm cast-off from my husband (who 
>>> doesn’t ride, sigh). 
>>>
>>> My 6’3” Dad had a blue 59 cm Clem on order when he died suddenly in 
>>> 2020, and his blue Clem has sat, boxed, waiting for my boy to grow into it. 
>>> I lugged the gargantuan box up from the basement last week to see how if 
>>> the bike would fit. “Now that I’ve obtained optimal height,” my son is fond 
>>> of saying… 
>>>
>>> Anyway, he’s 6’1” now (likely still growing) and I need him to decide if 
>>> he wants to stick with his old Clem H (that he was fond of) or settle into 
>>> this Clem L. Because whichever bike he chooses is getting new wheels, dyno 
>>> and fenders and going to college with him. At first he was opposed to the 
>>> idea of a new Clem; he liked his old Clem, thought it looked cool. But 
>>> after the - as he calls it - Big Bike was assembled, he really began to 
>>> like it. “It looks elegant,” he said. It really does, all long and lithe, 
>>> in blue and silver. He put his saddle and bags on the bike and we test rode 
>>> it tonight. He said, “I am really liking the Big Bike. I like that my knees 
>>> don’t have anything to hit (geez, were his knees hitting his bars?!) and it 
>>> looks elegant. It feels more at home now that I have my old saddle on it.” 
>>>
>>> I have mixed feelings about sending him to college with this bike, 
>>> because it’s so nice. I also doubt he’ll be able to get it on a bus bike 
>>> rack - and I have no idea how often he will want to do that. His bike life 
>>> is totally unknown at this point. All I know is that I’m getting him dyno 
>>> because the kid has never remembered to charge a light in his LIFE and I 
>>> will not sleep at night without it.The 52 takes 650b wheels and the 59 
>>> takes 700c, so I don’t want to buy the wheels until I know which bike he 
>>> really wants. But as of now, he wants his new bike.
>>>
>>> I know people will say we should just get a beater. I know why that 
>>> would be advisable, but I also hate to think of a Clem languishing when it 
>>> could be serving a noble purpose. I’d love for him and his Clem to journey 
>>> through undergrad together.
>>>
>>> I am wondering…has anyone gone to college or sent their kid to college 
>>> with a Clem? What do you have to say about it? Photos in the next post…
>>> Leah
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Wheel Builder

[Josh C]

John: I'm glad to hear that you are enjoying them. By all accounts they are 
the industry standard for a touring type hub. Hard to beat on paper. I've 
just not experienced them personally. I've had cranks, bottom brackets and 
headsets and they've all been great. 

On Sunday, August 13, 2023 at 12:17:20 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:

> Mike: thanks. I love the onyx hub as well. Wish it came in 36h. I do most 
> of my bike work but I'm just not interested in building wheels. I'd rather 
> leave that to an experienced pro. 
>
> On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 12:51:57 PM UTC-4 John Dewey wrote:
>
>> The outlier here. I just built myself some WI hubs— after years of XTR 
>> silence I rather enjoy making a little noise. 
>>
>> And they’re so pretty. 
>>
>> Jock
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 12, 2023 at 9:41 AM Mike  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi--I recently splurged on an Onyx for my new Sam, and it is kind of 
>>> life changing (my *riding* life anyway) how awesome it is. Which is 
>>> good and bad, as now my other bicycles with very quiet vintage Deore hubs 
>>> seem "loud".
>>> In terms of finding a local wheel builder--maybe not exactly the answer 
>>> you're looking for, but I taught myself to lace wheels a number of years 
>>> ago and it was really not nearly as difficult as I initially thought it 
>>> would be.  Each wheel build gets easier than the previous, and it has now 
>>> become meditative even. And its way cheaper as you can shop around for your 
>>> own parts, either buying direct from manufacturer or finding stuff on 
>>> eBay.  I feel like a lot of folks here gravitate towards nice components.  
>>> For wheels in particular: nice hubs, nice rims, quality spokes (in exactly 
>>> the correct length)...I've found that gets you like 75% of the way towards 
>>> building a strong and true wheel.  
>>>
>>> Happy and safe (and quiet) riding to all this weekend,
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 8:10:01 AM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>>>
 Bones, 
 Thanks. That's good to know. 
 On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 8:07:11 AM UTC-4 Bones wrote:

> I do not have a DT 240 but I do have most of the other ones listed: 
> Silver, Deore, MI5, Onyx. I'm not a big fan of loud hubs and I found my 
> MI5 
> obnoxiously loud; I was having difficultly having conversations with my 
> riding friends while coasting. I took the hub apart and applied a 
> generous 
> amount of Phil's Tenacious Oil and it now sounds like a different hub. 
> Much 
> much quieter and quite tolerable.
>
> Bones
>
> On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 6:59:43 AM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>
>> The noise of the White Ind Mi5 does concern me to some degree. 
>> Curious does anyone have both a DT 240 and a White ind. Mi5 to compare 
>> the 
>> noise level? I've got a DT 240 on a bike and would rather nothing louder 
>> than that. 
>>
>> On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 6:56:26 AM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>>
>>> @Johnny, Keith: Thanks for the replies. I've had several wheel sets 
>>> built by Rich at hands on wheels. I may go that route and shoot him an 
>>> email. I'm pretty sure the wheels that I'm currently riding are from 
>>> Rich. 
>>>
>>> @Keith, Will, Garth: Not sure about the silver hubs. It'd think that 
>>> if it were simply out of stock, it'd say "out of stock" just like half 
>>> of 
>>> the items on the Riv site. I had a silver hub on a Clem a few years ago 
>>> and 
>>> liked it just fine. I was thinking of having the rear built with a 
>>> Silver 
>>> 36h but then didn't see em on the site. Odd. 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 4:39:37 PM UTC-4 Garth wrote:
>>>
 There's little choice for quiet hubs so if you need 36 you may as 
 well go with Deore's. For myself having a quiet hub is non-negotiable, 
 so 
 I've gone back to using threaded FW hubs for my future builds. The 
 irony is 
 that for the 7 cogs I use there's a better selection of freewheels 
 these 
 days than cassettes. Rich will build you fine wheels. I had him build 
 a set 
 of Alex DM24 rims with Deore/Suntour hubs for me but I've never used 
 them. 
 I also have 2 sets of Joe Young wheels. (He formerly built wheels for 
 Riv 
 way beck when before Rich.) He's in Granbury Texas, 
 youngwheels.com I think. I still ride the first set he built in 
 1999, and of course, they're as straight as an arrow. 

 There's many things that Riv has that aren't on the menu as I think 
 they're busy enough as it is and don't have much time for extensive 
 upkeep 
 of the website in totality. The "new" 7sp cassette hub was supposedly 
 coming sometime, but as for noise I'd be surprised if it was quiet. 
 Shimano 
 is by their own words 

Re: [RBW] Re: Wheel Builder

[Josh C]

Mike: thanks. I love the onyx hub as well. Wish it came in 36h. I do most 
of my bike work but I'm just not interested in building wheels. I'd rather 
leave that to an experienced pro. 

On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 12:51:57 PM UTC-4 John Dewey wrote:

> The outlier here. I just built myself some WI hubs— after years of XTR 
> silence I rather enjoy making a little noise. 
>
> And they’re so pretty. 
>
> Jock
>
> On Sat, Aug 12, 2023 at 9:41 AM Mike  wrote:
>
>> Hi--I recently splurged on an Onyx for my new Sam, and it is kind of life 
>> changing (my *riding* life anyway) how awesome it is. Which is good and 
>> bad, as now my other bicycles with very quiet vintage Deore hubs seem 
>> "loud".
>> In terms of finding a local wheel builder--maybe not exactly the answer 
>> you're looking for, but I taught myself to lace wheels a number of years 
>> ago and it was really not nearly as difficult as I initially thought it 
>> would be.  Each wheel build gets easier than the previous, and it has now 
>> become meditative even. And its way cheaper as you can shop around for your 
>> own parts, either buying direct from manufacturer or finding stuff on 
>> eBay.  I feel like a lot of folks here gravitate towards nice components.  
>> For wheels in particular: nice hubs, nice rims, quality spokes (in exactly 
>> the correct length)...I've found that gets you like 75% of the way towards 
>> building a strong and true wheel.  
>>
>> Happy and safe (and quiet) riding to all this weekend,
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 8:10:01 AM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>>
>>> Bones, 
>>> Thanks. That's good to know. 
>>> On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 8:07:11 AM UTC-4 Bones wrote:
>>>
 I do not have a DT 240 but I do have most of the other ones listed: 
 Silver, Deore, MI5, Onyx. I'm not a big fan of loud hubs and I found my 
 MI5 
 obnoxiously loud; I was having difficultly having conversations with my 
 riding friends while coasting. I took the hub apart and applied a generous 
 amount of Phil's Tenacious Oil and it now sounds like a different hub. 
 Much 
 much quieter and quite tolerable.

 Bones

 On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 6:59:43 AM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:

> The noise of the White Ind Mi5 does concern me to some degree. Curious 
> does anyone have both a DT 240 and a White ind. Mi5 to compare the noise 
> level? I've got a DT 240 on a bike and would rather nothing louder than 
> that. 
>
> On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 6:56:26 AM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>
>> @Johnny, Keith: Thanks for the replies. I've had several wheel sets 
>> built by Rich at hands on wheels. I may go that route and shoot him an 
>> email. I'm pretty sure the wheels that I'm currently riding are from 
>> Rich. 
>>
>> @Keith, Will, Garth: Not sure about the silver hubs. It'd think that 
>> if it were simply out of stock, it'd say "out of stock" just like half 
>> of 
>> the items on the Riv site. I had a silver hub on a Clem a few years ago 
>> and 
>> liked it just fine. I was thinking of having the rear built with a 
>> Silver 
>> 36h but then didn't see em on the site. Odd. 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 4:39:37 PM UTC-4 Garth wrote:
>>
>>> There's little choice for quiet hubs so if you need 36 you may as 
>>> well go with Deore's. For myself having a quiet hub is non-negotiable, 
>>> so 
>>> I've gone back to using threaded FW hubs for my future builds. The 
>>> irony is 
>>> that for the 7 cogs I use there's a better selection of freewheels 
>>> these 
>>> days than cassettes. Rich will build you fine wheels. I had him build a 
>>> set 
>>> of Alex DM24 rims with Deore/Suntour hubs for me but I've never used 
>>> them. 
>>> I also have 2 sets of Joe Young wheels. (He formerly built wheels for 
>>> Riv 
>>> way beck when before Rich.) He's in Granbury Texas, 
>>> youngwheels.com I think. I still ride the first set he built in 
>>> 1999, and of course, they're as straight as an arrow. 
>>>
>>> There's many things that Riv has that aren't on the menu as I think 
>>> they're busy enough as it is and don't have much time for extensive 
>>> upkeep 
>>> of the website in totality. The "new" 7sp cassette hub was supposedly 
>>> coming sometime, but as for noise I'd be surprised if it was quiet. 
>>> Shimano 
>>> is by their own words ditching most of their road and mtb groups in 
>>> favor 
>>> of the deathly black "Ican'tremember" line of bike parts that supposed 
>>> can 
>>> be used for road or mtb use. Of course, it was Shimano who messed 
>>> things up 
>>> by dividing them in the first place with different cable pulls. 
>>>
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[RBW] Re: WTT: Swift Panniers for Sackville HappiSack

[jaredwilson]

Will sell outright for what I paid, $220 + ship.

NLA from Swift, super useful bags just overkill for what I have going on 
right now.

Thanks!

On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 5:20:13 PM UTC-7 jaredwilson wrote:

> Looking to trade my pair of like new Swift panniers for a Sackville 
> HappiSack.
>
> I purchased these from group member Ryan Frahm earlier this year in like 
> new condition and used (1) bag about twice. 
>
> Some cat hair and dust from sitting around, I'll lint roll them before 
> shipping out, otherwise they're pretty much perfect condition.
>
> Looking for a tan, khaki, or olive HappiSack in good condition, bonus if 
> it has matching kangaroo pouch.
>
> Please respond off list if interested, thanks :)
>
> jared in central CA
>
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Re: [RBW] rack for Wald 139

[Minh]

just adding my exp.  i've had a wald basket on nitto racks for 10ish 
years.   personally i think the 139 is too big for the narrow racks like 
nitto mini front, and even the big front is too narrow IMO.the 
best/most stable i used was with the platrack.  i'm using a 137 on an 
simworks obento rack now and find its a good combo.  

also concur that you do have to worry about shimmy and overloading as it 
risks snapping the welds on the rack.  IMO, front rack loads should be 
mostly for light bulky loads

On Sunday, August 13, 2023 at 11:22:36 AM UTC-4 John Rinker wrote:

> Hey Luke, I don't really notice any basket shimmy on rough terrain. On 
> rare occasions the basket will cant slightly but that's not an issue 
> because it's easily tugged straight, and it's better than broken basket 
> wires. All in all, it's a better solution for me. As a bonus, the basket is 
> very easily removed without creating a plastic waste. 
>
> [image: IMG_1852.JPG][image: IMG_1853.JPG]
> Cheers, John
>
> On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 9:37:57 PM UTC-7 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>
>> John-
>>
>> That’s a great idea, especially since I hate using zip-ties. Do you ever 
>> have any basket shimmy where it moves around from being on rough terrain? I 
>> used some prototype straps from Matt at Pass & Stow to secure this basket 
>> to a five rail I have of his and it did that a lot. Admittedly, those were 
>> cloth rather than the rubber of Voilé straps.
>>
>> Luke in San Francisco
>>
>> On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 7:38:44 PM UTC-7 John Rinker wrote:
>>
>>> After looking at Luke's basket setup, I was wondering if anyone else has 
>>> experienced their rack breaking apart due to the attachment with zip ties? 
>>> The wires in the base of my first Wald broke in many places, and I believe 
>>> it was the combination of rough riding and the zip tie attachments. 
>>>
>>> Since this first basket I have used Voile straps to attach my baskets to 
>>> a RBW52F on my Hunq and a mini-front 32F on the Atlantis. As a result the 
>>> racks still take the same abuse but no longer break. I'm guessing this has 
>>> to do with a little bit more flexibility in the Voile straps.
>>>
>>> Anyway, perhaps this might be a PSA of sorts. 
>>>
>>> Cheers, John
>>>
>>> On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 2:19:50 PM UTC-7 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>>>
 [image: image.jpg]

 Revisiting this. I second the choice of a Lucas and don’t think a 
 narrow platform need be prohibitive. I just snagged a NOS Nitto Highrider 
 (35F). I opted to zip-tie some 400mm Nitto rack struts along the bottom if 
 my Wald to deal with that. Just a thought. 

 On Monday, April 17, 2023 at 8:49:52 AM UTC-7 clcocea...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> I use the Sunlite and the Soma Champs Elysees for my 139. 
>
> On Tue, Apr 11, 2023 at 7:29 PM J Schwartz  
> wrote:
>
>> Greetings
>> I'm interested in racking my Wald 139 big basket and am curious what 
>> ppl are using for a rack.
>> I just got an email that the basket rack is back in stock at RBW, and 
>> I'm considering just buying it but I'm really just not onboard with 
>> spending $288 on a front rack despite how well it's made and special it 
>> is..  I may pull the trigger on it anyway but wanted to check here to 
>> see 
>> what users of the 139 are doing to attach it to the fronts of their 
>> bikes.
>> I already have an old Nitto R14 "Top Rack" that I know some people 
>> have used in the front and zipped a 139 on top.  Mine is older and 
>> doesn't 
>> have any diving board provisions so it's only 4 struts but I assume it's 
>> strong enough if installed well.   My intention was to use that rack on 
>> the 
>> rear of the bike though.
>> Any suggestions for a support for the 139 that isn't $288?
>> thanks
>> JS
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