Re: [RBW] Bombadil - first ride and work in progress (some photos)

[Max Faingezicht]

These are Ultradynamico Mars Race in 29x2.2” mounted on Quill rims

https://ultradynamico.com/products/mars-race?variant=39763276660821

I’ll try to take pics this weekend.

Max

Sent from my iPad

> On Oct 19, 2023, at 5:20 PM, Thomas Wasko  wrote:
> 
> What are the specs on those tires (width, 650 or 700?)? How is clearance?
> 
>> On Friday, May 26, 2023 at 1:06:12 PM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:
>> A couple of pics from last week - Bombadil with new wheels (thanks Rich!) 
>> and rubber (thanks Ron!) around the Fresh Pond in Cambridge, MA
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I'm still debating whether to keep the UD Mars on it or to move them to 
>> another bike.
>> 
>> Max
>> 
>> 
>>> On Saturday, April 15, 2023 at 2:46:05 PM UTC-6 maxcr wrote:
>>> The Hunqa is a 58, so more standover clearance for sure than the 60 Bomba 
>>> (see below). I think they both max out at around 2.1 - 2.3" for tire width 
>>> depending on your comfort of tightness.
>>> 
>>> As for weight, I moved the Nitto 32 rack from the Hunqa to the Bomba, 
>>> thinking that lighter might be more fun in rougher terrain, but they are 
>>> both similar frames and not super heavy - at least not for me. The Bomba 
>>> currently weighs around 43 pounds with racks, bags and double kickstand.
>>> 
>>> Max
>>> 
>>> 
 On Friday, April 14, 2023 at 10:05:41 AM UTC-6 Matthew P wrote:
 Hey Max!
 
 I love that you consider the sanity of shipping bars back and forth across 
 the country. Thank you for that.
 I have similar concerns with buying direct from Blue Lug.
 
 Oh I remember the confusion about the wheel size! And thats quite a hefty 
 thread there.
 
 I was in a similar boat as you before: multiple Rivs that were kind of 
 similar. I used the wrong solution: I sold one that I really regret.
 Ideally the bike with the most standover clearance (/lowest/slopest top 
 tube) also fits the widest tires and is maybe the heavier of the two 
 bikes, becomes the trail bike. It gets the widest tires, no fenders. Thats 
 just my thinking. And the other bigger-but-lighter bike gets the skinnier 
 tires - I like min 42 mm, max 2.1" (units ... sorry) 
 Consider the Maxxis Ikons 2.2" (or 2.35"?) for your wider tire. But people 
 really like the Thuderburts you already have.
 Maybe make the Bombadil and Atlantis as different as possible in how you 
 set them up.
 
 And enjoy!!
 -Matthew, San Diego - Kumeyaay Land 
 
 
> On Thursday, April 13, 2023 at 10:06:18 PM UTC-7 maxcr wrote:
> Thanks Matthew; the paint is really something! 
> 
> It’s a 60 - take a look at the initial confusion I had before getting it 
> - here’s the thread: 
> https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/jK5Le9uiJ3E/m/mkygvvKuAAAJ
> 
> It’s a 700 wheel size and I think 2.1” would be comfortable and 2.3” or 
> more would be ambitious, particularly with knobs.
> 
> Following the Radavist’s bomba build, I had originally ordered MARS 2.3” 
> from ultradynamico but I got the wrong size (650) before getting the 
> bike… I returned them but still wonder how that would handle/look like, 
> so I might reorder at some point - what tires you would you use?
> 
> I’m lucky that I have a 58 Hunqapillar with 2.1” thunderburts and no 
> fenders as my hillibike, so I’m not in a hurry to make the change on the 
> Bombadil right now.
> 
> The seller said he got it from Riv in 2016, based on the serial, I think 
> it was made in ‘09 which seems in line with the timeline of when they 
> were being sold.
> 
> I’ll keep you in mind if I decide to swap the bullmoose bars although it 
> seems silly to have these huge heavy bars shipped from Riv to the east 
> coast to have them shipped back to CA.
> 
> Cheers!
> Max
>> On Friday, April 14, 2023 at 12:16:23 AM UTC-4 Matthew P wrote:
>> Hey there Max!
>> 
>> I love your blue Bombadil. It'd be a dream to score one at a reasonable 
>> price. I love that paint!
>> What is the frame size and wheel size?
>> I like fenders but I like even more maxing out my tire width. How wide 
>> can you go? You think about trying that?
>> Any idea on the year of the bike and where it was made?
>> Let me know if you want to sell the bullmoose bars  ;-)
>> 
>> Thanks for sharing and happy Bombadil'in!
>> 
>> -Matthew P in San Diego
>> 
>>> On Thursday, March 30, 2023 at 10:13:49 AM UTC-7 J J wrote:
>>> Thanks for the report and photos, Max. Beautiful build on a rare beast. 
>>> It looks like so much fun. Enjoy!
>>> 
>>> 
> On Mar 27, 2023, at 12:11 PM, maxcr  wrote:
> 
 The weather is turning and I finally "finished" my Bombadil build. 
 It's not quite finished because I'm not 100% sure I'll keep the 
 Bullmoose handlebars - they are very stiff which is great, but the 

Re: [RBW] Re: Who’s getting a Platypus tomorrow?

[Sally Bidleman]

Yes!

During last-minute stealth research, I discovered my husband actually
preferred purple! So this wonderful, very purple, bike will arrive between
his birthday and Xmas; I can cover both:) Best of all, his PBH is only 2 cm
different from mine; I can ride it, too...AND I get to pick out the color
for his handlebar tape...Much joy in the household tonight...!

On Thu, Oct 19, 2023 at 4:13 PM Leah Peterson 
wrote:

> What a beautiful note you left us, Armand. I really hope you do that
> Platypus write-up when the time comes because I would very much like to
> read it.
>
> I’m certain your Platypus will bring you into your daily bike ride realm
> better than any bike you’ve ever ridden. It’s so smooth. So effortless. A
> real joy-bringer.
>
> Congrats on your new bike and to everyone else who got one today, too. Did
> the rest of you on this thread get the Platypus you were trying for?
>
> Leah
>
> On Oct 19, 2023, at 5:22 PM, Armand Kizirian 
> wrote:
>
> After 18 years of near daily riding, and a few attempts at hodge podge
> 80s mtn bikes turned commuters that have come and gone, I plan on getting
> my first Riv, a Platypus.
>
> It is an entirely unnecessary purchase. I have had a two bicycle quiver
> for a majority of my adult life with resounding success. A Salsa Vaya and
> various steel hardtail mtb’s, both capable of spirited or loaded riding
> with more than enough comfort.
>
> I now have the luxury of all my commuting to be done in a 6 mile radius,
> 80% of the time. After incorporating silent retreats into my meditation
> practice a few years ago, the last bit of riding “fast” has lost its
> appeal, and a slower, more intentional pace of life has pervaded the way in
> which I move through the world (exceptions made for descending technical
> singletrack ;).
>
> This third addition, which I hope to have for another 18 years, will help
> bring something incredibly near and dear to me—my daily bike rides—into
> that realm.
>
> This is an impressive amount of money to spend on what most would consider
> to be a simple, upright, commuter bike, featuring a sun race drivetrain.
> Yet, still a bargain compared to traditionally built Riv’s. However, we all
> know where the value lies. I will collect my own parts slowly and make it
> my own.
>
> A 55cm purple Platypus for me. As a designer, Im not in love with the
> color. I find it a bit too saturated and flat, but at least it’s fun and
> different. I think this should be the last Ana Purple run. There are far
> too many glorious colors to have several Riv runs in one. I will close the
> gap with letting go of seemingly unnecessary preferences, something I’ve
> been experimenting with throughout my life lately with great success.
> Something that seems in line with the Rivendell “way.”
>
> I hope to post an excessively thorough review of the bicycle, with a ride
> report, through the lens of my background as an industrial designer,
> engineer, and most importantly, human being. :)
>
> Good luck to all!
>
>
>
> On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 7:04:20 AM UTC-7 Josh C wrote:
>
>>
>> I’m hoping to snag a 50cm green complete for my wife. I’ve had several
>> Rivs and she’s never had the experience. She’s mentioned several times that
>> a step-through style bike interests her. She has some purple Paul bits on
>> her current bike that I think will look nice with the green instead of two
>> different purples.
>>
>> This would be her townie bike. We ride to dinner, concerts, drinks,
>> casual 20-mile-ish family rides. That sort of thing. Her current rig is an
>> Indy fab titanium cross frame that, while being stupid light, simply
>> doesn’t have all of the options for racks and fenders that a Riv does.
>> She’ll love the fact that she can have fenders and the like.
>> On Wednesday, October 18, 2023 at 10:42:07 PM UTC-4 RBW Owners Bunch
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm certainly not in a position to by one but feel compelled to say that
>>> while I have not been a fan of any of the purple frames Riv has been doing
>>> (and frustrated that they are so hung up on it) the Platy looks so
>>> fantastic in that color.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, October 18, 2023 at 9:47:08 PM UTC-4 SallyG wrote:
>>>
 Will try for a 50 cm complete green for husband's Xmas present! Going
 to be tricky at work but I have supportive so-workers who know it's
 Platypus Day tomorrow:)

 On Wednesday, October 18, 2023 at 6:40:42 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding
 Ding! wrote:

> The preorder email was sent out today! Did you read it? Lots of
> completes for sale but only 24 frames.
>
> Set to arrive end of November. Sad you’ll have to wait so long.
>
> Who is getting one?
>
> What color?
>
> What plans for the bike?
>
> I just had a gorgeous 27 miles on my mermaid Platy today. Sublimely
> comfortable. Plenty fast.
>
> Leah
>
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[RBW] Re: Nutmeg Nor'Easter 2023

[Justin Kennedy]

Yes it looks terrible! Hope still fun tho  
On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 5:20:51 PM UTC-4 RBW Owners Bunch wrote:

> The forecast is getting worse the closer we get! 
>
> [image: Screenshot 2023-10-16 at 4.33.11 PM.png]
>
> On Sunday, October 15, 2023 at 11:25:02 PM UTC-4 J wrote:
>
>> I'll be there again, this time on a big ol pistachio Romanceur 
>>
>> On Sunday, October 15, 2023 at 1:58:35 PM UTC-4 lyon...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I'm going to add a mermaid gus to the mix--see you out there!
>>>
>>> Adam in Portland
>>>
>>> On Sunday, October 15, 2023 at 9:26:52 AM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy wrote:
>>>

 Most excellent! Looking forward to it and hoping the forecast improves. 
 On Sunday, October 15, 2023 at 1:52:35 AM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Justin and Stephen — I'll be on my Appaloosa so that'll be three 
> mermaid frames... at least! 
>
> On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 9:56:46 AM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:
>
>> Yep that was me!
>>
>> On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 9:23:52 AM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Stephen, i met you outside Luigi’s a couple weeks ago?? 
>>> On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 9:09:28 AM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:
>>>
 I’ll be there on the appa!

 On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 7:50:36 PM UTC-4 Kainalu V. 
 -Brooklyn NY wrote:

> Some day…
> Have fun!
> -Kai
>
> On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 4:07:20 PM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Patch! see ya there ;-)
>>
>> On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 3:14:56 PM UTC-4 Patch T wrote:
>>
>>> MEEE - but you knew that :)
>>>
>>> Patch in Brooklyn
>>>
>>> On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 10:16:37 AM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Curious if anyone else from the RBW Owners Bunch will be there 
 this year. If so, would love to say hello! I'll be on my mermaid 
 Platy.

 Cheers-

>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Who’s getting a Platypus tomorrow?

[Leah Peterson]

What a beautiful note you left us, Armand. I really hope you do that Platypus write-up when the time comes because I would very much like to read it.I’m certain your Platypus will bring you into your daily bike ride realm better than any bike you’ve ever ridden. It’s so smooth. So effortless. A real joy-bringer.Congrats on your new bike and to everyone else who got one today, too. Did the rest of you on this thread get the Platypus you were trying for? LeahOn Oct 19, 2023, at 5:22 PM, Armand Kizirian  wrote:After 18 years of near daily riding, and a few attempts at hodge podge 80s mtn bikes turned commuters that have come and gone, I plan on getting my first Riv, a Platypus. It is an entirely unnecessary purchase. I have had a two bicycle quiver for a majority of my adult life with resounding success. A Salsa Vaya and various steel hardtail mtb’s, both capable of spirited or loaded riding with more than enough comfort. I now have the luxury of all my commuting to be done in a 6 mile radius, 80% of the time. After incorporating silent retreats into my meditation practice a few years ago, the last bit of riding “fast” has lost its appeal, and a slower, more intentional pace of life has pervaded the way in which I move through the world (exceptions made for descending technical singletrack ;). This third addition, which I hope to have for another 18 years, will help bring something incredibly near and dear to me—my daily bike rides—into that realm.This is an impressive amount of money to spend on what most would consider to be a simple, upright, commuter bike, featuring a sun race drivetrain. Yet, still a bargain compared to traditionally built Riv’s. However, we all know where the value lies. I will collect my own parts slowly and make it my own. A 55cm purple Platypus for me. As a designer, Im not in love with the color. I find it a bit too saturated and flat, but at least it’s fun and different. I think this should be the last Ana Purple run. There are far too many glorious colors to have several Riv runs in one. I will close the gap with letting go of seemingly unnecessary preferences, something I’ve been experimenting with throughout my life lately with great success. Something that seems in line with the Rivendell “way.”I hope to post an excessively thorough review of the bicycle, with a ride report, through the lens of my background as an industrial designer, engineer, and most importantly, human being. :) Good luck to all! On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 7:04:20 AM UTC-7 Josh C wrote:I’m hoping to snag a 50cm green complete for my wife. I’ve had several Rivs and she’s never had the experience. She’s mentioned several times that a step-through style bike interests her. She has some purple Paul bits on her current bike that I think will look nice with the green instead of two different purples. This would be her townie bike. We ride to dinner, concerts, drinks, casual 20-mile-ish family rides. That sort of thing. Her current rig is an Indy fab titanium cross frame that, while being stupid light, simply doesn’t have all of the options for racks and fenders that a Riv does. She’ll love the fact that she can have fenders and the like. On Wednesday, October 18, 2023 at 10:42:07 PM UTC-4 RBW Owners Bunch wrote:I'm certainly not in a position to by one but feel compelled to say that while I have not been a fan of any of the purple frames Riv has been doing (and frustrated that they are so hung up on it) the Platy looks so fantastic in that color. On Wednesday, October 18, 2023 at 9:47:08 PM UTC-4 SallyG wrote:Will try for a 50 cm complete green for husband's Xmas present! Going to be tricky at work but I have supportive so-workers who know it's Platypus Day tomorrow:)On Wednesday, October 18, 2023 at 6:40:42 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:The preorder email was sent out today! Did you read it? Lots of completes for sale but only 24 frames.Set to arrive end of November. Sad you’ll have to wait so long. Who is getting one?What color?What plans for the bike?I just had a gorgeous 27 miles on my mermaid Platy today. Sublimely comfortable. Plenty fast. Leah



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Re: [RBW] Re: Northern Hemisphere Fall / Autumn Riding Photos 2023

[Keith Paugh]

Ooof!Dynamite.k.On Oct 19, 2023, at 2:25 PM, Josh (BertoBerg)  wrote:Absolutely gorgeous, Eric! Thanks for sharing.Josh YoungbergBI, WA



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[RBW] Re: Who’s getting a Platypus tomorrow?

[Johnny Alien]

Congrats!!! The Platy is a killer first RIv.

On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 5:22:16 PM UTC-4 RBW Owners Bunch wrote:

> After 18 years of near daily riding, and a few attempts at hodge podge 80s 
> mtn bikes turned commuters that have come and gone, I plan on getting my 
> first Riv, a Platypus. 
>
> It is an entirely unnecessary purchase. I have had a two bicycle quiver 
> for a majority of my adult life with resounding success. A Salsa Vaya and 
> various steel hardtail mtb’s, both capable of spirited or loaded riding 
> with more than enough comfort. 
>
> I now have the luxury of all my commuting to be done in a 6 mile radius, 
> 80% of the time. After incorporating silent retreats into my meditation 
> practice a few years ago, the last bit of riding “fast” has lost its 
> appeal, and a slower, more intentional pace of life has pervaded the way in 
> which I move through the world (exceptions made for descending technical 
> singletrack ;). 
>
> This third addition, which I hope to have for another 18 years, will help 
> bring something incredibly near and dear to me—my daily bike rides—into 
> that realm.
>
> This is an impressive amount of money to spend on what most would consider 
> to be a simple, upright, commuter bike, featuring a sun race drivetrain. 
> Yet, still a bargain compared to traditionally built Riv’s. However, we all 
> know where the value lies. I will collect my own parts slowly and make it 
> my own. 
>
> A 55cm purple Platypus for me. As a designer, Im not in love with the 
> color. I find it a bit too saturated and flat, but at least it’s fun and 
> different. I think this should be the last Ana Purple run. There are far 
> too many glorious colors to have several Riv runs in one. I will close the 
> gap with letting go of seemingly unnecessary preferences, something I’ve 
> been experimenting with throughout my life lately with great success. 
> Something that seems in line with the Rivendell “way.”
>
> I hope to post an excessively thorough review of the bicycle, with a ride 
> report, through the lens of my background as an industrial designer, 
> engineer, and most importantly, human being. :) 
>
> Good luck to all! 
>
>
>
> On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 7:04:20 AM UTC-7 Josh C wrote:
>
>>
>> I’m hoping to snag a 50cm green complete for my wife. I’ve had several 
>> Rivs and she’s never had the experience. She’s mentioned several times that 
>> a step-through style bike interests her. She has some purple Paul bits on 
>> her current bike that I think will look nice with the green instead of two 
>> different purples. 
>>
>> This would be her townie bike. We ride to dinner, concerts, drinks, 
>> casual 20-mile-ish family rides. That sort of thing. Her current rig is an 
>> Indy fab titanium cross frame that, while being stupid light, simply 
>> doesn’t have all of the options for racks and fenders that a Riv does. 
>> She’ll love the fact that she can have fenders and the like. 
>> On Wednesday, October 18, 2023 at 10:42:07 PM UTC-4 RBW Owners Bunch 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm certainly not in a position to by one but feel compelled to say that 
>>> while I have not been a fan of any of the purple frames Riv has been doing 
>>> (and frustrated that they are so hung up on it) the Platy looks so 
>>> fantastic in that color. 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, October 18, 2023 at 9:47:08 PM UTC-4 SallyG wrote:
>>>
 Will try for a 50 cm complete green for husband's Xmas present! Going 
 to be tricky at work but I have supportive so-workers who know it's 
 Platypus Day tomorrow:)

 On Wednesday, October 18, 2023 at 6:40:42 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding 
 Ding! wrote:

> The preorder email was sent out today! Did you read it? Lots of 
> completes for sale but only 24 frames.
>
> Set to arrive end of November. Sad you’ll have to wait so long. 
>
> Who is getting one?
>
> What color?
>
> What plans for the bike?
>
> I just had a gorgeous 27 miles on my mermaid Platy today. Sublimely 
> comfortable. Plenty fast. 
>
> Leah
>


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Re: [RBW] Re: Northern Hemisphere Fall / Autumn Riding Photos 2023

[Josh (BertoBerg)]

Absolutely gorgeous, Eric! Thanks for sharing.

Josh Youngberg
BI, WA

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[RBW] FS: Brooks Flyer x 2

[schralp]

Black carved and tan softened (no cutout). Both have less than 20 miles. I 
went back and forth but ultimately settled on B67 for both bikes which just 
fit me better. $100 obo for each. If you haven’t used a flyer be aware that 
all of the Brooks sprung saddles tend to have some squeaking when riding 
and there are things that can mitigate but may be hard to completely 
eliminate. Doesn’t bother me but everyone has a different tolerance for it. 

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[RBW] Re: Who’s getting a Platypus tomorrow?

[Armand Kizirian]

After 18 years of near daily riding, and a few attempts at hodge podge 80s 
mtn bikes turned commuters that have come and gone, I plan on getting my 
first Riv, a Platypus. 

It is an entirely unnecessary purchase. I have had a two bicycle quiver for 
a majority of my adult life with resounding success. A Salsa Vaya and 
various steel hardtail mtb’s, both capable of spirited or loaded riding 
with more than enough comfort. 

I now have the luxury of all my commuting to be done in a 6 mile radius, 
80% of the time. After incorporating silent retreats into my meditation 
practice a few years ago, the last bit of riding “fast” has lost its 
appeal, and a slower, more intentional pace of life has pervaded the way in 
which I move through the world (exceptions made for descending technical 
singletrack ;). 

This third addition, which I hope to have for another 18 years, will help 
bring something incredibly near and dear to me—my daily bike rides—into 
that realm.

This is an impressive amount of money to spend on what most would consider 
to be a simple, upright, commuter bike, featuring a sun race drivetrain. 
Yet, still a bargain compared to traditionally built Riv’s. However, we all 
know where the value lies. I will collect my own parts slowly and make it 
my own. 

A 55cm purple Platypus for me. As a designer, Im not in love with the 
color. I find it a bit too saturated and flat, but at least it’s fun and 
different. I think this should be the last Ana Purple run. There are far 
too many glorious colors to have several Riv runs in one. I will close the 
gap with letting go of seemingly unnecessary preferences, something I’ve 
been experimenting with throughout my life lately with great success. 
Something that seems in line with the Rivendell “way.”

I hope to post an excessively thorough review of the bicycle, with a ride 
report, through the lens of my background as an industrial designer, 
engineer, and most importantly, human being. :) 

Good luck to all! 



On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 7:04:20 AM UTC-7 Josh C wrote:

>
> I’m hoping to snag a 50cm green complete for my wife. I’ve had several 
> Rivs and she’s never had the experience. She’s mentioned several times that 
> a step-through style bike interests her. She has some purple Paul bits on 
> her current bike that I think will look nice with the green instead of two 
> different purples. 
>
> This would be her townie bike. We ride to dinner, concerts, drinks, casual 
> 20-mile-ish family rides. That sort of thing. Her current rig is an Indy 
> fab titanium cross frame that, while being stupid light, simply doesn’t 
> have all of the options for racks and fenders that a Riv does. She’ll love 
> the fact that she can have fenders and the like. 
> On Wednesday, October 18, 2023 at 10:42:07 PM UTC-4 RBW Owners Bunch wrote:
>
>> I'm certainly not in a position to by one but feel compelled to say that 
>> while I have not been a fan of any of the purple frames Riv has been doing 
>> (and frustrated that they are so hung up on it) the Platy looks so 
>> fantastic in that color. 
>>
>> On Wednesday, October 18, 2023 at 9:47:08 PM UTC-4 SallyG wrote:
>>
>>> Will try for a 50 cm complete green for husband's Xmas present! Going to 
>>> be tricky at work but I have supportive so-workers who know it's Platypus 
>>> Day tomorrow:)
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, October 18, 2023 at 6:40:42 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>
 The preorder email was sent out today! Did you read it? Lots of 
 completes for sale but only 24 frames.

 Set to arrive end of November. Sad you’ll have to wait so long. 

 Who is getting one?

 What color?

 What plans for the bike?

 I just had a gorgeous 27 miles on my mermaid Platy today. Sublimely 
 comfortable. Plenty fast. 

 Leah

>>>

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Re: [RBW] 2.25 Thunder Burt on a Platypus?

[Lonnie]

I have Schwalbe G-one all around tires (29x2.25) on Cliffhangers on my 
Platypus and they've been great.  Fairly fast rolling, but plenty of 
traction for some loose trails.  The tires fit the frame fine, though I 
have to deflate them about to get them around the V-brakes.  The unexpected 
issue I ran into involved the chain being too close to the tire.  Drive 
train is old sugino touring triple and 9-sp cassette.  When in the granny 
ring and biggest two cassette cogs and when riding rougher trails, the 
chain would hit the tire and get sucked in between the tire and the 
chainstay.  This never happened on smoother roads.

I eventually bought the widest (and offset) Shimano bottom bracket that Riv 
sells.  That seems to have fixed the problem, even on the rough trails.  

On Wednesday, October 18, 2023 at 6:58:34 AM UTC-5 DavidP wrote:

> I have a bike with a 29x2.25 Thunder Burt on an i29mm rim, on which the 
> casing measures wider than the knobs and is 56mm / 2.2" @ ~20psi. Variances 
> in individual tires aside that should be a good max as the Cliffhangers are 
> i25mm. I'm pretty sure this would work on my Platypus (60cm) if I didn't 
> have fenders installed which limit me to a 50mm tire.
>
> -Dave
>
> On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 5:54:37 PM UTC-4 penne...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hi Justin,
>> FWIW, the April 28 email newsletter featured a 60cm web special platy 
>> with 2.3" Teravail Ehlines. Will said: "It clears easily, although I 
>> wouldn't go any bigger. I suspect these tires are measured knob to knob, 
>> because calipers showed them as closer to 2.1 than 2.3. Still good!"
>> Mack 
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 3:29:05 PM UTC-6 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I would say it isn’t likely. I have the Soma Cazadero 700x50mm on my 
>>> wife’s 55 with Cliffhanger rims and there is no room to spare. 
>>> On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 7:10:49 AM UTC-7 ted.l...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 No specific experience mounting that combo but I can tell you that 
 2.25" tires on Cliffhanger rims, for me, measured 60mm. If you've got 
 calipers, you could check the spacing between tubes and get an idea from 
 that.

 On Tue, Oct 17, 2023 at 10:04 AM Justin Kennedy  
 wrote:

> I know it's beyond the official max tire size but wondering if anyone 
> has experience with big ol' tires on your Platy. Specifically, a 29'er 
> 2.25 
> Thunder Burt (mounted on a Cliffhanger) on a 60cm Platypus. Thanks!  
>
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[RBW] BBH hat FS

[Beth Hamon]

Book, bike, and Hatchet ball cap from the short-lived Riv venture.
Excellent condition.
Photos here: 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/bethness/53265044152/in/dateposted-public/
$50 includes USA shipping.
PayPal only.
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Re: [RBW] Bombadil - first ride and work in progress (some photos)

[Thomas Wasko]

What are the specs on those tires (width, 650 or 700?)? How is clearance?

On Friday, May 26, 2023 at 1:06:12 PM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:

> A couple of pics from last week - Bombadil with new wheels (thanks Rich!) 
> and rubber (thanks Ron!) around the Fresh Pond in Cambridge, MA
>
> [image: IMG_0361.jpeg]
>
> [image: IMG_0362.jpeg]
>
> I'm still debating whether to keep the UD Mars on it or to move them to 
> another bike.
>
> Max
>
>
> On Saturday, April 15, 2023 at 2:46:05 PM UTC-6 maxcr wrote:
>
>> The Hunqa is a 58, so more standover clearance for sure than the 60 Bomba 
>> (see below). I think they both max out at around 2.1 - 2.3" for tire width 
>> depending on your comfort of tightness.
>>
>> As for weight, I moved the Nitto 32 rack from the Hunqa to the Bomba, 
>> thinking that lighter might be more fun in rougher terrain, but they are 
>> both similar frames and not super heavy - at least not for me. The Bomba 
>> currently weighs around 43 pounds with racks, bags and double kickstand.
>>
>> Max
>>
>> [image: comp.jpg]
>> On Friday, April 14, 2023 at 10:05:41 AM UTC-6 Matthew P wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Max!
>>>
>>> I love that you consider the sanity of shipping bars back and forth 
>>> across the country. Thank you for that.
>>> I have similar concerns with buying direct from Blue Lug.
>>>
>>> Oh I remember the confusion about the wheel size! And thats quite a 
>>> hefty thread there.
>>>
>>> I was in a similar boat as you before: multiple Rivs that were kind of 
>>> similar. I used the wrong solution: I sold one that I really regret.
>>> Ideally the bike with the most standover clearance (/lowest/slopest top 
>>> tube) also fits the widest tires and is maybe the heavier of the two bikes, 
>>> becomes the trail bike. It gets the widest tires, no fenders. Thats just my 
>>> thinking. And the other bigger-but-lighter bike gets the skinnier tires - I 
>>> like min 42 mm, max 2.1" (units ... sorry) 
>>> Consider the Maxxis Ikons 2.2" (or 2.35"?) for your wider tire. But 
>>> people really like the Thuderburts you already have.
>>> Maybe make the Bombadil and Atlantis as different as possible in how you 
>>> set them up.
>>>
>>> And enjoy!!
>>> -Matthew, San Diego - Kumeyaay Land 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, April 13, 2023 at 10:06:18 PM UTC-7 maxcr wrote:
>>>
 Thanks Matthew; the paint is really something! 

 It’s a 60 - take a look at the initial confusion I had before getting 
 it - here’s the thread: 
 https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/jK5Le9uiJ3E/m/mkygvvKuAAAJ

 It’s a 700 wheel size and I think 2.1” would be comfortable and 2.3” or 
 more would be ambitious, particularly with knobs.

 Following the Radavist’s bomba build, I had originally ordered MARS 
 2.3” from ultradynamico but I got the wrong size (650) before getting the 
 bike… I returned them but still wonder how that would handle/look like, so 
 I might reorder at some point - what tires you would you use?

 I’m lucky that I have a 58 Hunqapillar with 2.1” thunderburts and no 
 fenders as my hillibike, so I’m not in a hurry to make the change on the 
 Bombadil right now.

 The seller said he got it from Riv in 2016, based on the serial, I 
 think it was made in ‘09 which seems in line with the timeline of when 
 they 
 were being sold.

 I’ll keep you in mind if I decide to swap the bullmoose bars although 
 it seems silly to have these huge heavy bars shipped from Riv to the east 
 coast to have them shipped back to CA.

 Cheers!
 Max
 On Friday, April 14, 2023 at 12:16:23 AM UTC-4 Matthew P wrote:

> Hey there Max!
>
> I love your blue Bombadil. It'd be a dream to score one at a 
> reasonable price. I love that paint!
> What is the frame size and wheel size?
> I like fenders but I like even more maxing out my tire width. How wide 
> can you go? You think about trying that?
> Any idea on the year of the bike and where it was made?
> Let me know if you want to sell the bullmoose bars  ;-)
>
> Thanks for sharing and happy Bombadil'in!
>
> -Matthew P in San Diego
>
> On Thursday, March 30, 2023 at 10:13:49 AM UTC-7 J J wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the report and photos, Max. Beautiful build on a rare 
>> beast. It looks like so much fun. Enjoy!
>>
>>
>> On Mar 27, 2023, at 12:11 PM, maxcr  wrote:
>>
>> The weather is turning and I finally "finished" my Bombadil build. 
>> It's not quite finished because I'm not 100% sure I'll keep the 
>> Bullmoose 
>> handlebars - they are very stiff which is great, but the angle isn't 
>> ideal 
>> for my wrists, we'll see but I think the Jones bar is more comfortable 
>> for 
>> me. I might also explore a super wide drop from Crust called the 
>> Nullabar. 
>> I'm also curious about some drivetrain changes, more on that in a future 
>> thread.
>>

[RBW] Re: Nutmeg Nor'Easter 2023

[Eric Marth]

The forecast is getting worse the closer we get! 

[image: Screenshot 2023-10-16 at 4.33.11 PM.png]

On Sunday, October 15, 2023 at 11:25:02 PM UTC-4 J wrote:

> I'll be there again, this time on a big ol pistachio Romanceur 
>
> On Sunday, October 15, 2023 at 1:58:35 PM UTC-4 lyon...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I'm going to add a mermaid gus to the mix--see you out there!
>>
>> Adam in Portland
>>
>> On Sunday, October 15, 2023 at 9:26:52 AM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Most excellent! Looking forward to it and hoping the forecast improves. 
>>> On Sunday, October 15, 2023 at 1:52:35 AM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Justin and Stephen — I'll be on my Appaloosa so that'll be three 
 mermaid frames... at least! 

 On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 9:56:46 AM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:

> Yep that was me!
>
> On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 9:23:52 AM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy wrote:
>
>>
>> Stephen, i met you outside Luigi’s a couple weeks ago?? 
>> On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 9:09:28 AM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:
>>
>>> I’ll be there on the appa!
>>>
>>> On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 7:50:36 PM UTC-4 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn 
>>> NY wrote:
>>>
 Some day…
 Have fun!
 -Kai

 On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 4:07:20 PM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy 
 wrote:

> Hi Patch! see ya there ;-)
>
> On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 3:14:56 PM UTC-4 Patch T wrote:
>
>> MEEE - but you knew that :)
>>
>> Patch in Brooklyn
>>
>> On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 10:16:37 AM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Curious if anyone else from the RBW Owners Bunch will be there 
>>> this year. If so, would love to say hello! I'll be on my mermaid 
>>> Platy.
>>>
>>> Cheers-
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Are Paul brakes worth the money?

[Michael McArthur]

I experienced the 'third design flaw' Max cites here whilst using Touring 
canti's and found it very frustrating. It limited my pad choice to very 
thin non-cartridge pads and choice of rims wider than 17mm inner width. I 
nearly ground off the extra lip that creates the pad/brake arm interference 
but instead just sold them. I've been much happier with the modern Shimano 
CX50/CX70 design and find it much more practical in every way. 

On Sunday, 15 October 2023 at 14:11:00 UTC-7 Max S wrote:

> I'll also chime in to say that Paul brakes have some advantageous features 
> (e.g., continuous spring tension adjustability), but also some features 
> that I find infuriating in actual use, and a few instances of downright 
> poor mechanical design. 
> One design flaw is the fully threaded mounting bolt on the Racer, which I 
> discussed in a slightly geeky thread on iBOB / with Mark Bulgier. It places 
> a stress riser precisely at the root, front of fork crown, where it should 
> be avoided at all costs. Perhaps the grade of the steel is above and beyond 
> what's been used in the past, but it would fail scrutiny in a basic 
> mechanical design class. 
> Another flaw has to do with using a separate steel sleeve fitting over the 
> canti stud. It puts the brake further out than it needs to, and the problem 
> it's presumably attempting to solve (warped studs, bearing corrosion?..) 
> creates problems with mounting in the first place, and is avoided entirely 
> by brass bushings on the majority of other brakes. I've encountered 
> problems mounting them on two frames, and a third frame I bought had one 
> VERY firmly stuck on the stud... Haven't had this issue with any of the 
> nearly two dozen conventional canti / V brakes I've used. 
> A third design flaw, IME, is the extra lip on the brake arm, forward of 
> and at 90% to the brake pad mounting hole, which limits how close the pad 
> can sit in the outboard direction. When trying to use this brake on bikes 
> with slightly narrower canti stud placement (which are good, from the 
> standpoint of minimizing pad dive), this extra lip creates rim clearance 
> problems. 
> But hey, you can get them in lots of colors, and they're US-made, and 
> they're made by an independent small shop, and they're a way to show you 
> care about your bike, which I do in plenty of other ways myself... And the 
> vast majority of us will not use them to the limit anyway. 
>
> I do like their brake levers, though! 
>
> - Max 
>
> On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 4:12:22 PM UTC-4 wboe...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Cost was a significant part of my argument, for sure.  Also, Zestes will 
>> work with the normal spring anchors on most posts.  I am not a fan of 
>> Paul's spring solution - it's tidy but I found it finicky to adjust (and 
>> keep adjusted) on the one set of minimotos I owned.  That said, the Zeste 
>> brakes are non-trivial to install.  Took me an hour to do the first but was 
>> slightly quicker with the second set.
>>
>> Will
>>
>> On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 4:06:41 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> And!!! Zests are half the price of Pauls!
>>>
>>> On Sat, Oct 14, 2023 at 2:05 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>>
 IME the problem with the Tektros wasn't the stopping power but the 
 sloppy pivots. They stopped about as well as the Pauls but they squealed 
 and juddered. The Pauls are machined much more precisely and don't squeal 
 at all or judder as much.

 On my bike, the Pauls are no worse than any other cantilever I've used 
 but their braking power is hardly beyond ordinary; the high end forged 
 single pivot on my gofast road fixed gear gives more retardation per 
 amount 
 of hand squeeze than the Touring on the front of my errand road bike or 
 the 
 Neo Retro in back. Ditto for any number of single pivots, dual pivots, 
 centerpulls, not to mention disks and V brakes.

 I wish I'd known about the Zests before I bought Pauls. Perhaps they 
 would have been more powerful.

 Still, the Pauls are beautifully made, so very easy to set up, and 
 perfectly functional, tho' I think they are more industrial looking that 
 elegant. Overall, taking all with all, I'm not unhappy.

 BUT! I will be very interested to hear others' comparison of the Zests 
 with Pauls; or of other cantilevers wtih Pauls.

 On Sat, Oct 14, 2023 at 12:21 PM Will Boericke  
 wrote:

> It's not surprising to me that Pauls would be better than the 720s.  I 
> know they (Tektro 720s) have a dedicated following; I can't understand 
> why.  In my experience, they were mediocre stoppers, replaced quickly by 
> Shimano CX70s and then by mini-Vs.  
>
> I just replaced some budget Shimano cantis on my commuter with Velo 
> Orange Zeste brakes and they're amazing.  For the $70 I paid, miraculous 
> even.  Hard to imagine that Pauls would be better.
>
> Will
>

[RBW] Re: FS- A lot of random stuff, Brompton, camping, tenkara,

[Kim H.]

@Drew -
What model is the Gyes leather saddle ?

Kim Hetzel.

On Sunday, October 15, 2023 at 1:56:19 PM UTC-7 Drw wrote:

> Had this stuff kicking around the garage and need it gone. All prices do 
> not include shipping. Pick up in Los angeles is totally welcome. Photos 
> here 
> 
> . 
> Thanks for looking,
> Drew
>
> *Yuba take off stuff- selling all together 65$ plus shipping*
> *all came off of a 2023 yuba kombi and are essentially new. not the 
> lightest or fanciest stuff, but clean and serviceable.*
> *-*handlebars with adjustable threadless stem and grips
> -Crank with 42t chainring, bashguard and plastic pedals
> -Saddle
>
> *Brompton take off stuff- selling all together for 150$ or a la carte 
> below*
> *all came off of a 2022 brompton and are essentially new*
> -M/H handlebars with brompton grips- 30$ plus shipping
> -Brompton standard saddle- 20$ plus shipping
> -Brompton rear rack with rear fender and ez wheels- 120$ plus shipping
> -EZ wheel upgrade wheels. Bigger/wider and with bearings- 20$ plus shipping
>
> *Velo Orange happy stem.* threadless, 90mm, 31.8, black. mounted but 
> never used.- 35$ plus shipping
> *Sunrace 9 speed cassette-* 11-40t excellent condition-15$ plus shipping
> *31.8 seatpost clamp- *free with any purchase
> *Microshift front derailler-* bottom pull. comes with a 31.8 clamp but it 
> is interchangeable- 15$ plus shipping
> *Gyes leather saddle-* wide-ish- 20$ plus shipping
> *20 in tubes-*1.75-2.125- 5 of them- 15$ plus shipping
> *Battery light and click bell-* free with any purchase
>
> *Agu venture frame bag-* unused- 20$ plus shipping
> *Dill pickle u-lock holder-* free with any purchase
>
> *Thermarest sit pad- *15$ plus shipping
> *Six moon designs lunar solo shelter- *seam sealed- used once in my 
> backyard- 200$ plus shipping (does not include stakes or trekking pole. 
> 295$ new)
> *Reyr Tiny cast tenkara- *Used a couple of times. comes with line, 
> leader, sleeve and replacement tip section. integrated line holder. really 
> awesome ultralight fishing setup. 100$ plus shipping
> *Stainless camping pan, plate and pot stand for alcohol stoves*- free 
> with any purchase
>
>

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[RBW] FS list Update x-posted from IBOB

[Rich Powers]

It seems we are all in a continual purchase/update/reevaluate/sell mode.
Here is an updated list of my fall purge.

Rich in Des Moines

Feel free to select a few items and make me an offer! Shipping/postage NOT
included unless noted, Paypal preferred to this address. Please contact me
off-list with any questions.  Pictures at:
https://goo.gl/photos/7FKym17mpqFnDNFA7

26” ROAD Wheelset with Campagnolo Veloce 130 mm 8-speed hubs. The set
includes a great condition 13-26t cassette. The rims are Sun DW6000 silver
32-hole eyeleted rims (21.5mm wide) They are lightly used and in great
shape, $235 shipped

ROAD 700c 32-hole Velocity Atlas eyeleted rims, Wheel Fanatyk  “Fix”
spoke-prep applied. The hubs are Shimano 400 130 mm REAR and Deore front.
Works with 8, 9, and 10 and 11-speed cassettes (spacer included) Sapim Race
DB 2.0-1.8-2.0 silver spokes, brass nipples. Hubs are black.  $325-shipped

Bags/packs All items below are new. A trip that never happened.  :-(

JANDD Fame pack- new with tags large size $45 mailed

Revelate Designs Sweetroll Handlebar Bag - NEW 15 Liters $ 95 Mailed

Revelate Designs Gas Tank Top Tube Bag NEW $45 Mailed

Revelate Designs Terrapin System Seat Pack - 14 Liters NEW $165 mailed

Used. Items

Veloce front triple derailleur bottom pull 1 ⅛” clamp excellent condition
$55 mailed

Veloce road calipers- short reach (about 39-49 mm) pads in great shape $60
mailed

Ritchey Tom Slick tires folding bead w/ tubes 26 x1” light use $45 for all
mailed

Terry stem is 75 mm long, and the quill is roughly 210 mm, used as pictured
$25

Terry bar 38 mm c to c used as pictured  $25

Random items

NEW Shimano 8-speed RIGHT trigger shifter- SL-M315-8r Altus  $ 16 mailed

Specialized stem 1 ⅛” steerer and 25.4 bar $20 mailed

WTB saddle used cromo tubular- roughly 132 mm about 280mm long. A Volt?  $35

Bar-end brake lever extensions-black  Brake from your bar-ends. $9 mailed

Lynskey Seat clamp 34.9 ID $15 mailed

Chainrings

Wickwerks 38 tooth -black ring 110 mm BCD 4 ARM model -looks unused $25
mailed

Sugino 45 T ring 5 arm 110 MM silver $20 mailed

Sugino 50 T ring 5 arm 110 MM silver $20 mailed

Sugino 28 T ring 74 MM silver #2 in photo $9 mailed (more miles than one
below)

Sugino 28 T small ring 74 MM silver ring $11 mailed

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Re: [RBW] Re: Best way to arrange 2-cog manual shifting for "single speed" disc braked bicycle

[JohnS]

Hello Patrick,

Did anyone mention the All City Nature Box 853 SSCX disk brake bike? The 
rear disk brake mount is slotted to allow for alignment. No idea how easy 
that would be to adjust on the fly.

JohnS
[image: AllCityNatureBoyRearDropOut.jpg]

On Wednesday, October 18, 2023 at 12:17:34 PM UTC-4 RBW Owners Bunch wrote:

> The updated numbers now corroborate the qualitative claim that it won't 
> fit.  So, have you ordered your new Paul Disc WORD hub yet?
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Wednesday, October 18, 2023 at 7:50:30 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Sorry, not 5 mm, the usual ~2mm Shimano spacer. Actually I think it's a 9 
>> speed spacer.
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 17, 2023 at 11:09 PM Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>
>>> Patrick Moore claims to have a 5mm spacer + a 3/32" cog on a hub.  
>>> Assuming his story is accurate, that's a stack up of 7.38mm
>>>
>>> Wesley said "put another cog on there", to which Patrick Moore said 
>>> there would be no room for the chain.  
>>>
>>> 8-speed Shimano cassette cogs are 1.8mm thick, and the right spacer 
>>> between Shimano 8-speed cassette cogs is 3.0mm in thickness.  So, if your 
>>> stack up was COG+SPACER+COG then that would add up to 1.8mm + 3.0mm + 1.8mm 
>>> = 6.6mm.  That's a shorter stack up than what you have, and would have a 
>>> spacing between cogs that you know works.  What's the problem?  Would the 
>>> "inner" cog run up against the spokes or something?  It sounds to me like 
>>> you have ample room to try two cogs plus a spacer and see what you think.  
>>> You frequently describe your box full of all generations of 7, 8, 9, 10 
>>> speed cassette cogs and spacers.  Give it a go!
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 4:09:12 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 I could indeed get a second cog into the place of the spacer but  
 there'd be no room for the chain.

 No, good thought, but you'd need 5 mm more of space for: big cog + 
 spacer + small cog; then lockring. As it is, the big cog and small cog 
 would have to butt up against each other; no room for chain.

 On Tue, Oct 17, 2023 at 4:18 PM Wesley  wrote:

> Ah. Can you not remove the 5mm spacer? That should be enough room for 
> a second cog, IMO.
> -W
>
> On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 3:02:19 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Not mine, said by seller to be a 2012 model. I have a 5 mm spacer, 
>> then the 3/32" cog, and then the lockring threads.
>>
>> Good to know that the caliper (again, list, almost vertically atop 
>> the rotor at top dead center, but actually offset a cm or two forward) 
>> can 
>> accommodate a bit of fore/aft axle movement.
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 17, 2023 at 3:56 PM Wesley  wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Patrick,
>>> My recollection of my monocog was that the freehub had room for 
>>> three cogs. I think there were spacers on the hub that covered up most 
>>> of 
>>> the free hub - remove the locking and you can do adjust the spacers as 
>>> necessary. If yours is the same, then you could just keep that wheel 
>>> and 
>>> put the additional cogs onto it.
>>>
>>> And, in case I wasn't clear in my earlier response, I think there is 
>>> plenty of adjustment room in the disc brakes to accommodate the rear 
>>> axle 
>>> being adjusted in the dropout.
>>> -Wes
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 10:44:19 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 That's interesting, and after blundering into a few search result 
 pages about money markets and currency conversion I got:

 http://www.monebikes.com/read-me/

 But he says nothing about adjustable chainstays,

 Still, he does talk about weird possibilities like 3" tires and 
 drop bars, so I must investigate.

 Really, though, to conclude this question, it seems that I can 
 either have a very simple bike with disc brakes as long as it's a 
 single 
 speed, or I can accommodate 2 cogs using some niche, complex 
 technology. I 
 think I'll either settle for a fixed drivetrain (no rear brake, no 
 problem) 
 or get off and walk. Rear rim brake not option since I want to use 
 disc 
 rims.

 On Tue, Oct 17, 2023 at 8:44 AM Coal Bee Rye Anne <
 lionsrug...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I have no personal experience with single speed disc nor 
> Rocker/Slider or any of the existing dropout configurations being 
> discussed 
> other than keeping a mental catalogue and casual interest of such 
> things as 
> I discover them... but what about telescoping chainstays?   
>
> I recall seeing a few interesting options including a build that 
> Rick Hunter did with a bottom bracket 

Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2023

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

I know that seller. He’s a good man and I hope he finds an equally nice 
buyer.

On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 2:14:30 PM UTC-4 greenteadrinkers wrote:

> Nice NOS Hunqapillar frame set:
>
>
> https://lansing.craigslist.org/bik/d/okemos-rivendell-hunqapillar-frameset/7678319217.html
>
> On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 11:23:35 AM UTC-4 RBW Owners Bunch wrote:
>
>> Rosco Bubbe
>> 58cm
>> eBay auction
>> Lake Linden, MI
>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/335072976787
>>
>> [image: roscobubbe.jpg]
>>
>

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[RBW] Boomerang Rivs

[Bill Lindsay]

I received my second "boomerang Riv" yesterday.  My definition of a 
"boomerang Riv" is:

-I bought it from Rivendell
-I sold it to somebody for whatever reason
-I bought it back again

My first boomerang Riv was my Hillborne frame set.  Boomerang Riv #2 is my 
R05C0 8U883 road complete.  It's the same BLUE 58cm as is on ebay right 
now.  I'm very pleased to have a liftatube bike back in the stable.  The 
build kit of this Rosco will get re-absorbed into inventory and will 
partially find its way on to a very weird upcoming build.  I'm going to 
develop a new build concept for the Rosco, and now have a frame to 
handwring over if I decide I need to join the 26.8mm handwringers.  Maybe 
I'll get my hands on a seat tube reamer and WOW it out to 27.2mm.  

A very amusing shipping detail was that my boomerang seller had a shop box 
up the bike.  they put the bike into a "bike box" and then put the bike box 
into an "e-bike box".  It was double boxed!  It was by far the most bullet 
proof box jobs I have seen.  

Pics when there are pics worth showing.

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

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Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2023

[greenteadrinkers]

Nice NOS Hunqapillar frame set:

https://lansing.craigslist.org/bik/d/okemos-rivendell-hunqapillar-frameset/7678319217.html

On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 11:23:35 AM UTC-4 RBW Owners Bunch wrote:

> Rosco Bubbe
> 58cm
> eBay auction
> Lake Linden, MI
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/335072976787
>
> [image: roscobubbe.jpg]
>

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Re: [RBW] Bike Makeover Thread

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

All is well! It’s still a fun thread. I’ll figure out the seat post 
eventually. It seems to me to be working fine the way I have everything, 
even if it does involve an ugly seat post. I love the grips so far and I 
only wish Deb would make some ivory ones to match my other saddle. 

Anyway, it’s fun to change up the look now and then. And with a growing 
number of RivSisters in the fan base, you can expect more fashion threads 
and bike outfit threads. 

On Wednesday, October 18, 2023 at 9:29:43 PM UTC-4 Coal Bee Rye Anne wrote:

> Apologies in advance for indulging in yet another non Riv build show and 
> tell, although this one has essentially served as my 
> Quickbeam/SimpleOne/Roaduno placeholder since I’ve acquired the frame.  
> Having dug up some of my previous build pics and finally documenting its 
> current build this afternoon I’ve just been reminiscing over some of my 
> impulsive makeovers and also laughing at the many parts that have passed 
> between frames (in some cases going full circle on multiple occasions!)
>
> Trekking bar ruffy tuffy roadish build 1.0
> Flipped north road scorcher
> Mustachioed underbike
> Choco low rider 
> Choco basketeer 
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Considering trading my Ram for a Lightning Bolt

[Coal Bee Rye Anne]

That sounds similar to a prior time they still had discontinued 1" 
threadless Grand Rando canti forks in the ivory color still listed on the 
site for an extended period.  They currently still have the newer disc 
Grand Rando 1" threadless forks still listed but also out of stock.  So 
yeah, seems they are often just slow to update the online shop with full 
removal of discontinued items and they got me a few times with sale items 
such as a drive side only NOS Ritchey triple crank arm in 177.5mm that was 
listed for something like $10 (that I excitedly thought I'd add to cart as 
a back-up for my own 177.5 set) and some proto tall stack 26.0 threadless 
stems only to find they were gone but lingered on the site for quite a 
while.

Brian Cole

On Wednesday, October 18, 2023 at 2:44:22 PM UTC-4 Garth wrote:

> Coal Bee Rye Anne,  I was going to mention the Soma low trail fork too, 
> but then I checked the stock and it's still not in stock and hasn't been 
> for at least the 8-9 months I have been checking. The disc version is in 
> stock however, so I doubt it has anything to do with supply issues for the 
> threaded versions. It seems there are some items or sizes of items they no 
> longer stock but aren't deleted from the system for whatever reason. I 
> found this out by emailing them as the availability of an item. 
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Considering trading my Ram for a Lightning Bolt

[MoVelo]

I've owned both the Ram and Rawland Nordavinden. I sold the Rawland and 
still have the Ram. The Rawland was nice but the Ram is soo much nicer 
in every way. 

Just my humble opinion

James Poulson


On Wednesday, October 18, 2023 at 5:33:31 PM UTC-5 Garth wrote:

> So it appears Max the Rawland is actually 59cm, center to top, 57.5mm 
> center to center. So it's just shy of your Ram. Not an issue. I compared 
> the two and if someone asked me if it's a suitable fit based on their 
> comparable Ram size, I'd have to say yes. 
>
> The Ram is a mere 13mm higher in stack height, center of the BB to the 
> horizontal center-top of the head tube. 
> The reach is within 3mm, so negligible . 
> The Rawland has a 1/2 degree steeper seat tube angle, which accounts for 
> like 6-7mm more forward placement of the top center of the seat tube in 
> relation to the center BB, but I recall you don't have your saddles slammed 
> all the way back so you have plenty of room on the rails. 
>
> Head tube angles are the same 73d and the upsloping TT is within 1/2d. 
> BB drop is within 2mm. 
> The Rawland link says it's 35mm max tire, 700c. That's a perfectly "fat" 
> road tire. 
> The trail though is only 29mm, that's 70mm of fork rake ! Wow. 
>
>  
> https://rawlandcycles.blogspot.com/2012/07/nordavinden-geometry-and-specifications.html
>
> Bikeinsights doesn't have images for the two frames, but the numbers alone 
> tells the story. 
>
>
> https://bikeinsights.com/compare?geometries=5c1bfbe96aaa140017a7c684,5c55ee6e40d7a00017e4e2d

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[RBW] Re: Who’s getting a Platypus tomorrow?

[Josh C]

I’m hoping to snag a 50cm green complete for my wife. I’ve had several Rivs 
and she’s never had the experience. She’s mentioned several times that a 
step-through style bike interests her. She has some purple Paul bits on her 
current bike that I think will look nice with the green instead of two 
different purples. 

This would be her townie bike. We ride to dinner, concerts, drinks, casual 
20-mile-ish family rides. That sort of thing. Her current rig is an Indy 
fab titanium cross frame that, while being stupid light, simply doesn’t 
have all of the options for racks and fenders that a Riv does. She’ll love 
the fact that she can have fenders and the like. 
On Wednesday, October 18, 2023 at 10:42:07 PM UTC-4 RBW Owners Bunch wrote:

> I'm certainly not in a position to by one but feel compelled to say that 
> while I have not been a fan of any of the purple frames Riv has been doing 
> (and frustrated that they are so hung up on it) the Platy looks so 
> fantastic in that color. 
>
> On Wednesday, October 18, 2023 at 9:47:08 PM UTC-4 SallyG wrote:
>
>> Will try for a 50 cm complete green for husband's Xmas present! Going to 
>> be tricky at work but I have supportive so-workers who know it's Platypus 
>> Day tomorrow:)
>>
>> On Wednesday, October 18, 2023 at 6:40:42 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>> Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> The preorder email was sent out today! Did you read it? Lots of 
>>> completes for sale but only 24 frames.
>>>
>>> Set to arrive end of November. Sad you’ll have to wait so long. 
>>>
>>> Who is getting one?
>>>
>>> What color?
>>>
>>> What plans for the bike?
>>>
>>> I just had a gorgeous 27 miles on my mermaid Platy today. Sublimely 
>>> comfortable. Plenty fast. 
>>>
>>> Leah
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Who’s getting a Platypus tomorrow?

[Arthur Mayfield]

I had a stock notice early last week on a 55 that I snapped up in 
seconds—on the way, delivery next Tuesday. It’s in Mermaid paint (which 
looks a lot like Bianchi Celeste on my screen), so I guess they found it 
among old stock. I’m thrilled to be able to get a frame in my size, either 
way. I’ll be able to use up some of my trove of NOS parts to build it up. I 
wish good luck to everyone hoping to get one today.

On Wednesday, October 18, 2023 at 10:42:07 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:

> I'm certainly not in a position to by one but feel compelled to say that 
> while I have not been a fan of any of the purple frames Riv has been doing 
> (and frustrated that they are so hung up on it) the Platy looks so 
> fantastic in that color. 
>
> On Wednesday, October 18, 2023 at 9:47:08 PM UTC-4 SallyG wrote:
>
>> Will try for a 50 cm complete green for husband's Xmas present! Going to 
>> be tricky at work but I have supportive so-workers who know it's Platypus 
>> Day tomorrow:)
>>
>> On Wednesday, October 18, 2023 at 6:40:42 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>> Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> The preorder email was sent out today! Did you read it? Lots of 
>>> completes for sale but only 24 frames.
>>>
>>> Set to arrive end of November. Sad you’ll have to wait so long. 
>>>
>>> Who is getting one?
>>>
>>> What color?
>>>
>>> What plans for the bike?
>>>
>>> I just had a gorgeous 27 miles on my mermaid Platy today. Sublimely 
>>> comfortable. Plenty fast. 
>>>
>>> Leah
>>>
>>

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