date:20240224

This is very interesting; I thought all Riv models except the various road
models were "country bikes" but to hear the Gus compared to a Jones would
seem to be high praise, from what I read about the Jones (it's one of Bike
Snob's keepers in his current bike purge).

I just gave away my sole mountain bike -- the much modified Monocog 29er --
in favor of a fatter-tire second wheelset for my Matthews "road bike for
dirt,"  but I'll have to consider a Gus if I ever decide to get another
mtb. Question: Can you get a =/< 160 mm Q with a Gus? What kept me from
getting a Jones was the >160 mm Q.

Patrick Moore, also closing in very rapidly on 69, in ABQ, NM.

On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 1:57 PM Richard Rose  wrote:

> I’ve not ridden a Platypus but I’ve yet to hear it described as a trail
> bike. Love, love, love my Clem on & off road but if things get dicey it’s a
> bit overwhelmed with the lower bottom bracket - compared to my Gus. The Gus
> or the new Susie (get one! Run do not walk!) are singletrack machines. Yes
> they are good for other duties as well but are conceived & built to be
> mountain bikes. I am blown away by it on rough, rooty & slightly rocky
> singletrack. It is every bit the mountain bike that a Jones is (I had one)
> which is of course highly regarded in that category. I’ve yet to experience
> a pedal strike on the Gus. I’ve had quite a few on the Clem. And I am
> pretty decent at avoiding them if I do say so. So, IMHO if what you are
> looking for is a singletrack bike get the new Susie or try to find a
> leftover one/Gus.
> FWIW, I am closing on 69 years old & have ditched my full suspension bike
> in favor of the Gus. As you allude to, I am a bit less aggressive on the
> Gus vs. the Ibis. I think that’s is smarter at my age. No less fun though.:)
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [RBW] Re: New bike decision (help!)

2024-02-24 Thread Kim H.

@Tim and Richard,

The lugged Susies' are scheduled to come out next month, March as per the 
schedule goes. The pre-sale went live on February 8, 2024. It appears that 
none of them are SOLD OUT between the frame sizes and colors. 

https://www.rivbike.com/products/frame-lugged-susie-w-longbolts-wolbis-slugstone?variant=41415129628783

In the meantime, the Clem frame sets and 52cm orange completes are in a 
second shipping container and won't be a RBW headquarters until next Month 
as per the current RBW newsletter from this past Friday.

https://us7.campaign-archive.com/?u=ad1569fa93a2ab2374ead2fde=e4bbcfef6b

Kim Hetzel.


On Saturday, February 24, 2024 at 6:19:56 PM UTC-8 Richard Rose wrote:

> What am I missing? Aren’t the Susie’s available right now? I mean, I know 
> they are not here yet but at least they have not sold out. 
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 24, 2024, at 9:12 PM, Tim Bantham  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Based on what you have described I would continue to ride your Krampus as 
> you wait for the Susie's to become available. 
>
> My past Riv's that I have personally owned have been an Appaloosa and a 
> Clem H. Those bikes are no longer in my stable. Between the two I enjoyed 
> riding the Appaloosa off road more so then the Clem H. I build the Clem H 
> as a purpose build analog mountain bike. I had a very nice build sparing no 
> expense and I hated that bike. Part of the problem is that I wanted the 
> bike to more then it was capable of. I live on the east coast where the 
> terrain is rocky and rooted. There is a lot of stuff that you have to get 
> off and walk with a fully rigged bike, The Clem was too long and unwieldy. 
> Riding it was a chore in woods. The long chain stays were more of a bug 
> than a feature. To be clear this was the Clem H which Riv no longer makes. 
> Maybe the Clem L is better. I am only sharing my opinion based on the Clem 
> H. 
>
> On the other hand the Appaloosa was set up as my dirt road touring bike. I 
> can share one experience when I was riding with friends who were all on 
> full suspension mountain bikes and/or hardtails and I had no difficulty 
> keeping up. The terrain on this particular set of trails was fast and flowy 
> and not rocky/rooted . The Clem H would have been more cumbersome in that 
> same situation. 
>
> I currently have a modern all carbon full suspension mountain bike that 
> easily handles the trails near me. Problem is that I don't ride it enough 
> so it is currently up for sale. That bike is not easy to live with either. 
> The suspension is something that I can't service myself, it has hydraulic 
> disc brakes which I consider to be fiddly. AND I really don't like driving 
> my bike in the car to get to the trailhead. 
>
> The Rivs that I currently own are a Platypus that I just finished building 
> up this month, An A. Homer Hilsen that is currently in my work stand and my 
> beloved Sam Hilborne. I've only ridden the Platy about 40 miles so far but 
> I love this bike! That said, I  won't love riding the Platypus off road. In 
> my opinion its just not the right bike for that. I personally would be much 
> more comfortable on the Sam. The Homer will be strictly used as my road 
> bike. 
>
> Keep riding the Surly that you own. Wait for the Susie and make a decision 
> at that point. I would hesitate to rush into anything else just because 
> they are currently available. 
>
> Hope that helps. 
>
>
>
>
> On Saturday, February 24, 2024 at 7:51:43 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> The riding you're describing says Susie but - as you say - the Clem L 
>> will handle most of it. I don't need lugs either and I love my L (haven't 
>> ridden it on trails yet but will), I think this is the way unless you're 
>> super into the looks/color of Susie. Also Clem L means cheaper and no 
>> waiting! 
>>
>> On Saturday, February 24, 2024 at 8:51:21 AM UTC-8 Gregger wrote:
>>
>>> Long time listener, first time caller.  
>>>
>>> It's a bit hard to tell if you lovely folks on this forum enjoy or 
>>> loathe these "help me pick a bike" posts - there are a lot of them - but I 
>>> really would greatly appreciate your input on my situation.  I bought a Leo 
>>> Roadini a while back (my first Riv) and love it for pavement and gravel 
>>> roads.  I now want to look into a trail bike for everything from dirt paths 
>>> to midwestern single track (grounded and cautious - I'm 62 years).
>>>
>>> So, I'm torn between a Platypus (love the aesthetics) and a Clem L (the 
>>> ride experience is evidently sublime?). Or should I wait for the new 
>>> stouter Susie to arrive (did I mention I weigh 205 lbs?).  I only ride for 
>>> exercise a couple of hours a day, so no lugging weight on racks or bags . . 
>>> .  would I overwhelm the Platypus frame in the woods?  Would the Clem have 
>>> the ground clearance for roots and rocks?  
>>>
>>> Obviously the Susie would be the safe and conservative choice, but I'm 
>>> not a very patient person (this May? Any

Re: [RBW] Re: New bike decision (help!)

You can still get an orange 51cm Gus frame from Riv. 

On Saturday, February 24, 2024 at 6:19:56 PM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> What am I missing? Aren’t the Susie’s available right now? I mean, I know 
> they are not here yet but at least they have not sold out. 
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 24, 2024, at 9:12 PM, Tim Bantham  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Based on what you have described I would continue to ride your Krampus as 
> you wait for the Susie's to become available. 
>
> My past Riv's that I have personally owned have been an Appaloosa and a 
> Clem H. Those bikes are no longer in my stable. Between the two I enjoyed 
> riding the Appaloosa off road more so then the Clem H. I build the Clem H 
> as a purpose build analog mountain bike. I had a very nice build sparing no 
> expense and I hated that bike. Part of the problem is that I wanted the 
> bike to more then it was capable of. I live on the east coast where the 
> terrain is rocky and rooted. There is a lot of stuff that you have to get 
> off and walk with a fully rigged bike, The Clem was too long and unwieldy. 
> Riding it was a chore in woods. The long chain stays were more of a bug 
> than a feature. To be clear this was the Clem H which Riv no longer makes. 
> Maybe the Clem L is better. I am only sharing my opinion based on the Clem 
> H. 
>
> On the other hand the Appaloosa was set up as my dirt road touring bike. I 
> can share one experience when I was riding with friends who were all on 
> full suspension mountain bikes and/or hardtails and I had no difficulty 
> keeping up. The terrain on this particular set of trails was fast and flowy 
> and not rocky/rooted . The Clem H would have been more cumbersome in that 
> same situation. 
>
> I currently have a modern all carbon full suspension mountain bike that 
> easily handles the trails near me. Problem is that I don't ride it enough 
> so it is currently up for sale. That bike is not easy to live with either. 
> The suspension is something that I can't service myself, it has hydraulic 
> disc brakes which I consider to be fiddly. AND I really don't like driving 
> my bike in the car to get to the trailhead. 
>
> The Rivs that I currently own are a Platypus that I just finished building 
> up this month, An A. Homer Hilsen that is currently in my work stand and my 
> beloved Sam Hilborne. I've only ridden the Platy about 40 miles so far but 
> I love this bike! That said, I  won't love riding the Platypus off road. In 
> my opinion its just not the right bike for that. I personally would be much 
> more comfortable on the Sam. The Homer will be strictly used as my road 
> bike. 
>
> Keep riding the Surly that you own. Wait for the Susie and make a decision 
> at that point. I would hesitate to rush into anything else just because 
> they are currently available. 
>
> Hope that helps. 
>
>
>
>
> On Saturday, February 24, 2024 at 7:51:43 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> The riding you're describing says Susie but - as you say - the Clem L 
>> will handle most of it. I don't need lugs either and I love my L (haven't 
>> ridden it on trails yet but will), I think this is the way unless you're 
>> super into the looks/color of Susie. Also Clem L means cheaper and no 
>> waiting! 
>>
>> On Saturday, February 24, 2024 at 8:51:21 AM UTC-8 Gregger wrote:
>>
>>> Long time listener, first time caller.  
>>>
>>> It's a bit hard to tell if you lovely folks on this forum enjoy or 
>>> loathe these "help me pick a bike" posts - there are a lot of them - but I 
>>> really would greatly appreciate your input on my situation.  I bought a Leo 
>>> Roadini a while back (my first Riv) and love it for pavement and gravel 
>>> roads.  I now want to look into a trail bike for everything from dirt paths 
>>> to midwestern single track (grounded and cautious - I'm 62 years).
>>>
>>> So, I'm torn between a Platypus (love the aesthetics) and a Clem L (the 
>>> ride experience is evidently sublime?). Or should I wait for the new 
>>> stouter Susie to arrive (did I mention I weigh 205 lbs?).  I only ride for 
>>> exercise a couple of hours a day, so no lugging weight on racks or bags . . 
>>> .  would I overwhelm the Platypus frame in the woods?  Would the Clem have 
>>> the ground clearance for roots and rocks?  
>>>
>>> Obviously the Susie would be the safe and conservative choice, but I'm 
>>> not a very patient person (this May? Any guarantees?), and I really do love 
>>> the purple Platypus available currently.  The Clem L would offer a slightly 
>>> larger tire clearance, and the low(ish) bottom bracket height would likely 
>>> be sufficient 94.3 % of the time; and tig welds are just fine with me 
>>> (sorry for the hurt feelings).
>>>
>>> Or, a forth option - to be truly difficult, should I keep riding my 
>>> Surly Krampus in the woods and continue to risk wiping out and injuring 
>>> myself - it just demands to be ridden with abandon, and I scare myself.  
>>> That's my problem I guess, not the bike's.

[RBW] Re: NorCal Coast Tour Route Feedback

2024-02-24 Thread Drurad (Sacramento)

My cousin and I did Eugene to SF a few years ago.  Eugene is nice because 
you can take the amtrak there with your bike to start the tour.  We bought 
the Adventure Cycling Maps.  $30 well spent.  The maps provide a number of 
quiet side roads that keep you off the freeway as much as possible, and 
they also include detailed information about bike shops, food, and 
hiker/biker camps along the way.  Here is the link:

https://www.adventurecycling.org/cyclosource-store/route-maps/?p:current=7

You may need Pacific Coast #2 and #3.  I may be able to dig around and find 
my old maps, but mine may be out of date. 

-Andrew
On Saturday, February 24, 2024 at 8:53:29 AM UTC-8 Zac wrote:

> Hi Stephen,
>
> I did this years ago and had a blast, despite one full day of rain on our 
> way to Leggett, which also coincided with stretches along Hwy 101. People 
> have different comfort levels regarding riding with traffic, but if—and 
> when!—I do this trip again I would probably look for side routes along that 
> stretch, say, between Garberville and Leggett; and maybe around Fort Bragg, 
> unless folks there have changed their attitude towards bike touring since I 
> last rode through. Other than those areas, I have fond memories of weaving 
> down Hwy 1 with barely a soul in sight for miles and miles. So I would 
> stick to the coast mostly, as in your second itinerary. Also, in my 
> experience, many of the roads that head inland in that area are significant 
> climbs, have little to no shoulder and lots of twists and turns that some 
> drivers like to race through. 
>
> You're gonna love it.
>
> On Sunday, February 11, 2024 at 12:38:21 PM UTC-8 Stephen wrote:
>
>> Hey All,
>>
>> This week I've been fantasizing about a tour route from Eureka to SF that 
>> follows the PCH but avoids riding on it as much as possible (within 
>> reason). So I've been playing around in rwgps and Gaia Gps maps to make 
>> some route drafts, trying to stay close to the coast but choosing alternate 
>> roads and dirt roads as much as possible to avoid traffic. 
>>
>> For the beginning of the route I used part of a Lost Coast tour route 
>> that ends and begins in Eureka. As for the end, I've done a fair bit of 
>> riding in Marin and have familiarity with the roads and trails up to Sir 
>> Francis Drake Road. Will probably make two different route endings, one for 
>> east bay and one for SF. (the route draft I have now is for eastbay) 
>>
>> I was wondering if anyone on the list had experience in the other areas 
>> up the coast, or has done a similar ride, or been on any of the roads I've 
>> routed or had recommendations? Sometimes you see a road on a map and in 
>> reality its private access or washed away. Would appreciate any thoughts or 
>> feedback or anybody who wants to nerd out on maps and routemaking.
>>
>> Playing with the idea of riding this on my appaloosa in April.
>>
>> ROUTES:
>> https://ridewithgps.com/routes/45561107
>> https://ridewithgps.com/routes/45561484
>>
>> Let me know if theres trouble accessing those.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New bike decision (help!)

What am I missing? Aren’t the Susie’s available right now? I mean, I know they are not here yet but at least they have not sold out. Sent from my iPhoneOn Feb 24, 2024, at 9:12 PM, Tim Bantham wrote:Based on what you have described I would continue to ride your Krampus as you wait for the Susie's to become available. My past Riv's that I have personally owned have been an Appaloosa and a Clem H. Those bikes are no longer in my stable. Between the two I enjoyed riding the Appaloosa off road more so then the Clem H. I build the Clem H as a purpose build analog mountain bike. I had a very nice build sparing no expense and I hated that bike. Part of the problem is that I wanted the bike to more then it was capable of. I live on the east coast where the terrain is rocky and rooted. There is a lot of stuff that you have to get off and walk with a fully rigged bike, The Clem was too long and unwieldy. Riding it was a chore in woods. The long chain stays were more of a bug than a feature. To be clear this was the Clem H which Riv no longer makes. Maybe the Clem L is better. I am only sharing my opinion based on the Clem H. On the other hand the Appaloosa was set up as my dirt road touring bike. I can share one experience when I was riding with friends who were all on full suspension mountain bikes and/or hardtails and I had no difficulty keeping up. The terrain on this particular set of trails was fast and flowy and not rocky/rooted . The Clem H would have been more cumbersome in that same situation. I currently have a modern all carbon full suspension mountain bike that easily handles the trails near me. Problem is that I don't ride it enough so it is currently up for sale. That bike is not easy to live with either. The suspension is something that I can't service myself, it has hydraulic disc brakes which I consider to be fiddly. AND I really don't like driving my bike in the car to get to the trailhead. The Rivs that I currently own are a Platypus that I just finished building up this month, An A. Homer Hilsen that is currently in my work stand and my beloved Sam Hilborne. I've only ridden the Platy about 40 miles so far but I love this bike! That said, I won't love riding the Platypus off road. In my opinion its just not the right bike for that. I personally would be much more comfortable on the Sam. The Homer will be strictly used as my road bike. Keep riding the Surly that you own. Wait for the Susie and make a decision at that point. I would hesitate to rush into anything else just because they are currently available. Hope that helps. On Saturday, February 24, 2024 at 7:51:43 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:The riding you're describing says Susie but - as you say - the Clem L will handle most of it. I don't need lugs either and I love my L (haven't ridden it on trails yet but will), I think this is the way unless you're super into the looks/color of Susie. Also Clem L means cheaper and no waiting! On Saturday, February 24, 2024 at 8:51:21 AM UTC-8 Gregger wrote:Long time listener, first time caller. It's a bit hard to tell if you lovely folks on this forum enjoy or loathe these "help me pick a bike" posts - there are a lot of them - but I really would greatly appreciate your input on my situation. I bought a Leo Roadini a while back (my first Riv) and love it for pavement and gravel roads. I now want to look into a trail bike for everything from dirt paths to midwestern single track (grounded and cautious - I'm 62 years).So, I'm torn between a Platypus (love the aesthetics) and a Clem L (the ride experience is evidently sublime?). Or should I wait for the new stouter Susie to arrive (did I mention I weigh 205 lbs?). I only ride for exercise a couple of hours a day, so no lugging weight on racks or bags . . . would I overwhelm the Platypus frame in the woods? Would the Clem have the ground clearance for roots and rocks? Obviously the Susie would be the safe and conservative choice, but I'm not a very patient person (this May? Any guarantees?), and I really do love the purple Platypus available currently. The Clem L would offer a slightly larger tire clearance, and the low(ish) bottom bracket height would likely be sufficient 94.3 % of the time; and tig welds are just fine with me (sorry for the hurt feelings).Or, a forth option - to be truly difficult, should I keep riding my Surly Krampus in the woods and continue to risk wiping out and injuring myself - it just demands to be ridden with abandon, and I scare myself. That's my problem I guess, not the bike's.Thank you so much in advance. I know I've probably left out relevant information, but I've tried to keep this somewhat short. Fail.

[RBW] Re: New bike decision (help!)

2024-02-24 Thread Tim Bantham

Based on what you have described I would continue to ride your Krampus as 
you wait for the Susie's to become available. 

My past Riv's that I have personally owned have been an Appaloosa and a 
Clem H. Those bikes are no longer in my stable. Between the two I enjoyed 
riding the Appaloosa off road more so then the Clem H. I build the Clem H 
as a purpose build analog mountain bike. I had a very nice build sparing no 
expense and I hated that bike. Part of the problem is that I wanted the 
bike to more then it was capable of. I live on the east coast where the 
terrain is rocky and rooted. There is a lot of stuff that you have to get 
off and walk with a fully rigged bike, The Clem was too long and unwieldy. 
Riding it was a chore in woods. The long chain stays were more of a bug 
than a feature. To be clear this was the Clem H which Riv no longer makes. 
Maybe the Clem L is better. I am only sharing my opinion based on the Clem 
H. 

On the other hand the Appaloosa was set up as my dirt road touring bike. I 
can share one experience when I was riding with friends who were all on 
full suspension mountain bikes and/or hardtails and I had no difficulty 
keeping up. The terrain on this particular set of trails was fast and flowy 
and not rocky/rooted . The Clem H would have been more cumbersome in that 
same situation. 

I currently have a modern all carbon full suspension mountain bike that 
easily handles the trails near me. Problem is that I don't ride it enough 
so it is currently up for sale. That bike is not easy to live with either. 
The suspension is something that I can't service myself, it has hydraulic 
disc brakes which I consider to be fiddly. AND I really don't like driving 
my bike in the car to get to the trailhead. 

The Rivs that I currently own are a Platypus that I just finished building 
up this month, An A. Homer Hilsen that is currently in my work stand and my 
beloved Sam Hilborne. I've only ridden the Platy about 40 miles so far but 
I love this bike! That said, I  won't love riding the Platypus off road. In 
my opinion its just not the right bike for that. I personally would be much 
more comfortable on the Sam. The Homer will be strictly used as my road 
bike. 

Keep riding the Surly that you own. Wait for the Susie and make a decision 
at that point. I would hesitate to rush into anything else just because 
they are currently available. 

Hope that helps. 

On Saturday, February 24, 2024 at 7:51:43 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> The riding you're describing says Susie but - as you say - the Clem L will 
> handle most of it. I don't need lugs either and I love my L (haven't ridden 
> it on trails yet but will), I think this is the way unless you're super 
> into the looks/color of Susie. Also Clem L means cheaper and no waiting! 
>
> On Saturday, February 24, 2024 at 8:51:21 AM UTC-8 Gregger wrote:
>
>> Long time listener, first time caller.  
>>
>> It's a bit hard to tell if you lovely folks on this forum enjoy or loathe 
>> these "help me pick a bike" posts - there are a lot of them - but I really 
>> would greatly appreciate your input on my situation.  I bought a Leo 
>> Roadini a while back (my first Riv) and love it for pavement and gravel 
>> roads.  I now want to look into a trail bike for everything from dirt paths 
>> to midwestern single track (grounded and cautious - I'm 62 years).
>>
>> So, I'm torn between a Platypus (love the aesthetics) and a Clem L (the 
>> ride experience is evidently sublime?). Or should I wait for the new 
>> stouter Susie to arrive (did I mention I weigh 205 lbs?).  I only ride for 
>> exercise a couple of hours a day, so no lugging weight on racks or bags . . 
>> .  would I overwhelm the Platypus frame in the woods?  Would the Clem have 
>> the ground clearance for roots and rocks?  
>>
>> Obviously the Susie would be the safe and conservative choice, but I'm 
>> not a very patient person (this May? Any guarantees?), and I really do love 
>> the purple Platypus available currently.  The Clem L would offer a slightly 
>> larger tire clearance, and the low(ish) bottom bracket height would likely 
>> be sufficient 94.3 % of the time; and tig welds are just fine with me 
>> (sorry for the hurt feelings).
>>
>> Or, a forth option - to be truly difficult, should I keep riding my Surly 
>> Krampus in the woods and continue to risk wiping out and injuring myself - 
>> it just demands to be ridden with abandon, and I scare myself.  That's my 
>> problem I guess, not the bike's.
>>
>> Thank you so much in advance.  I know I've probably left out relevant 
>> information, but I've tried to keep this somewhat short.  Fail.
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: New bike decision (help!)

The riding you're describing says Susie but - as you say - the Clem L will 
handle most of it. I don't need lugs either and I love my L (haven't ridden 
it on trails yet but will), I think this is the way unless you're super 
into the looks/color of Susie. Also Clem L means cheaper and no waiting! 

On Saturday, February 24, 2024 at 8:51:21 AM UTC-8 Gregger wrote:

> Long time listener, first time caller.  
>
> It's a bit hard to tell if you lovely folks on this forum enjoy or loathe 
> these "help me pick a bike" posts - there are a lot of them - but I really 
> would greatly appreciate your input on my situation.  I bought a Leo 
> Roadini a while back (my first Riv) and love it for pavement and gravel 
> roads.  I now want to look into a trail bike for everything from dirt paths 
> to midwestern single track (grounded and cautious - I'm 62 years).
>
> So, I'm torn between a Platypus (love the aesthetics) and a Clem L (the 
> ride experience is evidently sublime?). Or should I wait for the new 
> stouter Susie to arrive (did I mention I weigh 205 lbs?).  I only ride for 
> exercise a couple of hours a day, so no lugging weight on racks or bags . . 
> .  would I overwhelm the Platypus frame in the woods?  Would the Clem have 
> the ground clearance for roots and rocks?  
>
> Obviously the Susie would be the safe and conservative choice, but I'm not 
> a very patient person (this May? Any guarantees?), and I really do love the 
> purple Platypus available currently.  The Clem L would offer a slightly 
> larger tire clearance, and the low(ish) bottom bracket height would likely 
> be sufficient 94.3 % of the time; and tig welds are just fine with me 
> (sorry for the hurt feelings).
>
> Or, a forth option - to be truly difficult, should I keep riding my Surly 
> Krampus in the woods and continue to risk wiping out and injuring myself - 
> it just demands to be ridden with abandon, and I scare myself.  That's my 
> problem I guess, not the bike's.
>
> Thank you so much in advance.  I know I've probably left out relevant 
> information, but I've tried to keep this somewhat short.  Fail.
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Spring FS Post - Cranks, BB, Seatpost, Handlebars, Nitto Rack, Wool

2024-02-24 Thread Michael Ullmer

All sold except the Nitto R-14

On Friday, February 23, 2024 at 10:43:14 AM UTC-6 Michael Ullmer wrote:

> IRD BB is sold, open to offers on remaining items.
>
> On Thursday, February 22, 2024 at 11:33:58 AM UTC-6 Michael Ullmer wrote:
>
>> Update with sold items and price drops:
>>
>> 1) Tange IRD QB-95 68x122 Square Taper BB - $45
>> --Tange's top of line square taper bb. This was on my Fitz, no longer 
>> need though. Still buttery smooth.
>>
>> 2) Nitto Mustache RM-016N Handlebars - $30
>> --Nitto Mustache RM-016N Heat Treated  Aluminium Handlebars. 26.0 Clamp. 
>> Some tape residue, but good shape otherwise.
>>
>> 3) Thomson Masterpiece 27.2 Silver - 220mm - $35
>> --Cut down to 22cm overall. The straight section of the post is about 
>> 10cm. I used this on my Fitz Rando that has an integrated seat tube light 
>> and needed a short seatpost to avoid hitting the wire inside the seat tube.
>>
>> 4) Deore XT FC-6206 Silver Square Taper Cranks 170mm with Shimano 122.5 
>> BB - $50
>> --This was on a Trek 520 my uncle gave to me. I ran as a single on a 
>> different vintage Trek, but can be set up double or triple with spacers. 
>> 110/74 BCD. Comes with the original cup/cone BB. No Chainrings. 
>>
>> 5) Patagonia Mens Medium Fisherman Sweater Blue - SOLD
>> --100% wool. Beautiful deep blue color, very warm. I'm wearing my 
>> Woolywarm sweater a lot more these days and want to pass this on. See pics 
>> for measurements.
>>
>> 6) Patagonia Mens Long-Sleeved Recycled Wool Shirt - SOLD
>> --60% recycled wool, 30% recycled poly, 10% recycled nylon. I have a 
>> couple of these and am just downsizing. Great shape. It's a deep blue color 
>> with yellow/red striping.
>>
>> 7) Nitto R-14 Rear Rack - $90
>> --Comes with all hardware and struts. Would also trade for a Marks Rack.
>>
>> On Tuesday, February 20, 2024 at 8:15:57 AM UTC-6 rmro...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> PM sent on bottom bracket.
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Feb 20, 2024, at 8:11 AM, Mike Ullmer  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Continuing to clean out the unnecessaries. All prices don't include 
>>> shipping, but will be shipped via Pirateship:
>>>
>>> 1) Tange IRD QB-95 68x122 Square Taper BB - $50
>>> --Tange's top of line square taper bb. This was on my Fitz, no longer 
>>> need though. Still buttery smooth.
>>>
>>> 2) Nitto Mustache RM-016N Handlebars - $35
>>> --Nitto Mustache RM-016N Heat Treated  Aluminium Handlebars. 26.0 Clamp. 
>>> Some tape residue, but good shape otherwise. 
>>>
>>> 3) Thomson Masterpiece 27.2 Silver - 220mm - $40
>>> --Cut down to 22cm overall. The straight section of the post is about 
>>> 10cm. I used this on my Fitz Rando that has an integrated seat tube light 
>>> and needed a short seatpost to avoid hitting the wire inside the seat tube.
>>>
>>> 4) Deore XT FC-6206 Silver Square Taper Cranks 170mm with Shimano 122.5 
>>> BB - $60
>>> --This was on a Trek 520 my uncle gave to me. I ran as a single on a 
>>> different vintage Trek, but can be set up double or triple with spacers. 
>>> 110/74 BCD. Comes with the original cup/cone BB. No Chainrings. 
>>>
>>> 5) Patagonia Mens Medium Fisherman Sweater Blue - $50
>>> --100% wool. Beautiful deep blue color, very warm. I'm wearing my 
>>> Woolywarm sweater a lot more these days and want to pass this on. See pics 
>>> for measurements.
>>>
>>> 6) Patagonia Mens Long-Sleeved Recycled Wool Shirt - $50
>>> --60% recycled wool, 30% recycled poly, 10% recycled nylon. I have a 
>>> couple of these and am just downsizing. Great shape. It's a deep blue color 
>>> with yellow/red striping.
>>>
>>> 7) Nitto R-14 Rear Rack - $100
>>> --Comes with all hardware and struts. Would also trade for a Marks Rack.
>>>
>>> Pics here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/KxSdnsek27UuM9Ka8
>>>
>>> Mike in Minneapolis
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Gus /Susie bottom bracket -which one?

This issue (crank arm proper clearance) befuddles me also. With the Riv supplied Nitto brackets on both my Clem & Gus I have HUGE clearance. Small ring has plenty also. Clearly I could use a shorter spindle. Perhaps there is an issue with tire rub on these bikes? Running 55mm tires on Clem, 2.6” on Gus.Sent from my iPhoneOn Feb 24, 2024, at 11:48 AM, Patrick Moore wrote:It's good to know that these SL bbs are recommended by a knowledgeable professional -- well, since Peter carries them, that is probably recommendation in itself. I ordered one myself yesterday, a 127 mm to try to skim off a few mm of the Q on my Matthews "road bike for dirt" -- with the current 130 mm Phil there are about 3 mm of unused airspace between the inside of the left arm and the outside of the stay. Must also try that NOS 125 mm SunTour Greaseguard bb, but I fear that even with right arm skimming the stay on its side -- as it is with proper chainline -- the left arm will still rub.May soon have a NOS/NIB ST GG bb bearing assembly for sale Alas, the 127s are available only with plastic cups, but iboblist scuttlebutt says that they hold up fine, and Peter said he could not recall ever having problems with them. Still, I'd have preferred metal for aesthetic, philosophical, and moral reasons.On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 7:48 AM Richard Rose wrote:Good Morning! Attached here is a pic from Peter White website. BTW, I called, Peter answered & after a nice conversation I ordered over the phone. It arrived in two days. Nice transaction for sure. Also, these bottom brackets came highly recommended by Analog Cycles - good enough for me.:)The Shimano bb that I replaced was a 118, this Stronglight is 119. I ordered the more expensive one with the aluminum vs. plastic cups. Still just $50.00! And you are correct, I did not change anything else.

Re: [RBW] Re: Gus /Susie bottom bracket -which one?

Silver wide/low standard issue.Sent from my iPhoneOn Feb 24, 2024, at 11:46 AM, Kris Burns wrote:What crankset are you using?On Thursday, February 22, 2024 at 12:14:10 PM UTC-6 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:I asked about this when I bought my Gus and got no conclusive answers. I really did not get a conclusive answer from Riv either. When I ordered a bunch of components from Riv for my Gus build the answer I got about what BB to get went something like " we will look into it and send you the right one". The one I got does work but the box it came in does not give me the information I seek.Here are my questions. Gus and Susie have 73 shells. Riv does not list 73 bb's for sale. And they suggest which 68mm IRD one to get for your Gus/Susie - 123 width with right side spacer(?). Am I to conclude that 68mm bottom brackets work on a 73mm shell? An Tange bb has become available that is a 68mm with a 122.5 spindle. Will it work on my Gus. What about the drive side spacer?Please excuse my ignorance. I would like to upgrade my bottom bracket and really have no idea what will fit best. I gather a lot of different spindle lengths will work but not ideally?

[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne Pictures Thread

2024-02-24 Thread Norman R

https://www.flickr.com/groups/hillborne/pool/with/35194167362/
 I'm not sure how active this group still is but lots of great content.
-Norman 

On Saturday, February 24, 2024 at 3:10:35 PM UTC-5 Adam wrote:

> Enjoying this thread.
>
> Curious about the conti race kings. Those are 2.0s and they fit? Or am I 
> missing something?
>
> I've used Cazadero 50s and they cleared, but I didn't like them enough and 
> missed fenders. I'm always curious about other tires in that range though.
>
> I'll put a pic up eventually, but mine has RH hurricane ridge/Snoqualmie 
> pass, VO zeppelin fenders and the widest towel racks. I'm enjoying that 
> combo. I just added a nitto 34f and am not minding it, but haven't tried 
> really loading it down yet.
>
> Adam
>
>
> On Saturday, February 24, 2024 at 10:57:18 AM UTC-6 Marc Irwin wrote:
>
>> [image: Blued Sam.jpg]
>> Here's mine, many miles on this dude.  2X9 drive, Bosco Bars and C19 
>> saddle.
>>
>> Marc
>> On Wednesday, February 14, 2024 at 1:35:39 PM UTC-5 Paul in Dallas wrote:
>>
>>> After seeing various Sam owners pictures here and there on various 
>>> threads I thought I would start a thread dedicated to the versatile Sam's.
>>>
>>> Perhaps such a thread already exists?
>>>
>>> No worries if it does and perhaps someone could post a link if there is 
>>> one out there.
>>>
>>> Here is my Sam with upright bars.
>>>
>>> I'm an older Riv owner , almost 74 and still love riding and working on 
>>> bikes.
>>>
>>> I managed just over 2700 miles in 2023 ( not all on the Sam)
>>>  and hope to top that in 2024 the Good Lord willing.
>>>
>>> My bars are the  Sunlite North Road alloy version.
>>> ( They also have a steel version)
>>> I like these North Roads so much I have them on multiple bikes 
>>>
>>> I have a very tall stem column , (forget the brand)
>>> and a thread less stem, Origin8 I think.
>>> I need the bars way up for the old back.
>>> It works well for me and I've done up to 73 miles on it set up this way.
>>>
>>> I have a triple crank (need the granny to get up hills).
>>>  I'm using the more 
>>> modern Dia Compe thumb shifters, 
>>> Shimano derailers, 
>>> Tektro 559 brake calipers, 
>>> Velocity Dyad rims / Deore hubs wheelset and Soma Supple Vitesse EX 
>>> tires in a 700x42.
>>>
>>> I do recommend these tires as they are supple, seem to roll fast and 
>>> smooth and are relatively light for a tire this size at 380g's. No flats in 
>>> guessing 600 or so miles.
>>>
>>> The tan saddle is an Origin8 Comfort in about the same width as a B17. 
>>> It works well for me. I like the look and it's only about $40.
>>>
>>> I like working on bikes and built my Sam up myself.
>>>
>>> Safe riding to all.
>>>
>>> Paul in Dallas, TX area
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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[RBW] FS: Rat Trap Pass Tires

2024-02-24 Thread Grady Wright

RH RTP tires for sale. About 200 miles. Have been sitting in a wheel box 
for a couple years In my basement. $75
https://photos.app.goo.gl/vPbEoUbLM1mC1osc7

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Re: [RBW] New bike decision (help!)

2024-02-24 Thread DavidP

As Jim suggests, the Platypus isn't just a pavement bike (it'll actually 
fit 2.2s; mine has 50s and fenders) but, as Richard says, it's also not a 
trail bike. It's a good all-rounder and great on mixed surface, gravel-ish 
rides (and sure, some light singletrack is fair game). But if, as you say, 
you are looking for a bike specifically for "everything from dirt paths to 
midwestern single track" you'd be better suited by the Clem or Susie (and 
personally, I'd go for the Susie) even if you only put slightly bigger 
tires on it.

-Dave

On Saturday, February 24, 2024 at 4:15:27 PM UTC-5 bei...@gmail.com wrote:

> Welcome, Gregger!
>
> I have a Platy as my only riv, which I bought as a third option late 
> because I missed the Gus boat in Dec 2021 and the Atlantis boat in April 
> 2022. I mostly use the Platy for groceries, baby hauling and mixed gravel 
> but occasionally ride it on more Rocky Mountain bike trails here in 
> Boulder, CO. I KNOW I should be more careful and I USUALLY don’t have a 
> problem, but I do almost always accidentally pedal strike on the Platy. 
> Neither my Kona Rove nor my Karate Monkey have such a low bottom bracket, 
> and my experience generally has been that it’s safer to use the right tool 
> for the job. 
>
> What I’m saying is, ride the Krampus rigid (and maybe single speed) if you 
> want to slow down a bit, and ALSO get  the new Susie or the purple Platy 
> you’re fond of. They won’t go unridden!
>
> Happy pondering, 
>
> Christian
>
> On Saturday, February 24, 2024 at 1:57:27 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I’ve not ridden a Platypus but I’ve yet to hear it described as a trail 
>> bike. Love, love, love my Clem on & off road but if things get dicey it’s a 
>> bit overwhelmed with the lower bottom bracket - compared to my Gus. The Gus 
>> or the new Susie (get one! Run do not walk!) are singletrack machines. Yes 
>> they are good for other duties as well but are conceived & built to be 
>> mountain bikes. I am blown away by it on rough, rooty & slightly rocky 
>> singletrack. It is every bit the mountain bike that a Jones is (I had one) 
>> which is of course highly regarded in that category. I’ve yet to experience 
>> a pedal strike on the Gus. I’ve had quite a few on the Clem. And I am 
>> pretty decent at avoiding them if I do say so. So, IMHO if what you are 
>> looking for is a singletrack bike get the new Susie or try to find a 
>> leftover one/Gus.
>> FWIW, I am closing on 69 years old & have ditched my full suspension bike 
>> in favor of the Gus. As you allude to, I am a bit less aggressive on the 
>> Gus vs. the Ibis. I think that’s is smarter at my age. No less fun though.:)
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Feb 24, 2024, at 11:51 AM, Gregger  wrote:
>>
>> Long time listener, first time caller.  
>>
>>
>> It's a bit hard to tell if you lovely folks on this forum enjoy or loathe 
>> these "help me pick a bike" posts - there are a lot of them - but I really 
>> would greatly appreciate your input on my situation.  I bought a Leo 
>> Roadini a while back (my first Riv) and love it for pavement and gravel 
>> roads.  I now want to look into a trail bike for everything from dirt paths 
>> to midwestern single track (grounded and cautious - I'm 62 years).
>>
>> So, I'm torn between a Platypus (love the aesthetics) and a Clem L (the 
>> ride experience is evidently sublime?). Or should I wait for the new 
>> stouter Susie to arrive (did I mention I weigh 205 lbs?).  I only ride for 
>> exercise a couple of hours a day, so no lugging weight on racks or bags . . 
>> .  would I overwhelm the Platypus frame in the woods?  Would the Clem have 
>> the ground clearance for roots and rocks?  
>>
>> Obviously the Susie would be the safe and conservative choice, but I'm 
>> not a very patient person (this May? Any guarantees?), and I really do love 
>> the purple Platypus available currently.  The Clem L would offer a slightly 
>> larger tire clearance, and the low(ish) bottom bracket height would likely 
>> be sufficient 94.3 % of the time; and tig welds are just fine with me 
>> (sorry for the hurt feelings).
>>
>> Or, a forth option - to be truly difficult, should I keep riding my Surly 
>> Krampus in the woods and continue to risk wiping out and injuring myself - 
>> it just demands to be ridden with abandon, and I scare myself.  That's my 
>> problem I guess, not the bike's.
>>
>> Thank you so much in advance.  I know I've probably left out relevant 
>> information, but I've tried to keep this somewhat short.  Fail.
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Re: [RBW] New bike decision (help!)

2024-02-24 Thread Christian B-H

Welcome, Gregger!

I have a Platy as my only riv, which I bought as a third option late 
because I missed the Gus boat in Dec 2021 and the Atlantis boat in April 
2022. I mostly use the Platy for groceries, baby hauling and mixed gravel 
but occasionally ride it on more Rocky Mountain bike trails here in 
Boulder, CO. I KNOW I should be more careful and I USUALLY don’t have a 
problem, but I do almost always accidentally pedal strike on the Platy. 
Neither my Kona Rove nor my Karate Monkey have such a low bottom bracket, 
and my experience generally has been that it’s safer to use the right tool 
for the job. 

What I’m saying is, ride the Krampus rigid (and maybe single speed) if you 
want to slow down a bit, and ALSO get  the new Susie or the purple Platy 
you’re fond of. They won’t go unridden!

Happy pondering, 

Christian

On Saturday, February 24, 2024 at 1:57:27 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> I’ve not ridden a Platypus but I’ve yet to hear it described as a trail 
> bike. Love, love, love my Clem on & off road but if things get dicey it’s a 
> bit overwhelmed with the lower bottom bracket - compared to my Gus. The Gus 
> or the new Susie (get one! Run do not walk!) are singletrack machines. Yes 
> they are good for other duties as well but are conceived & built to be 
> mountain bikes. I am blown away by it on rough, rooty & slightly rocky 
> singletrack. It is every bit the mountain bike that a Jones is (I had one) 
> which is of course highly regarded in that category. I’ve yet to experience 
> a pedal strike on the Gus. I’ve had quite a few on the Clem. And I am 
> pretty decent at avoiding them if I do say so. So, IMHO if what you are 
> looking for is a singletrack bike get the new Susie or try to find a 
> leftover one/Gus.
> FWIW, I am closing on 69 years old & have ditched my full suspension bike 
> in favor of the Gus. As you allude to, I am a bit less aggressive on the 
> Gus vs. the Ibis. I think that’s is smarter at my age. No less fun though.:)
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 24, 2024, at 11:51 AM, Gregger  wrote:
>
> Long time listener, first time caller.  
>
>
> It's a bit hard to tell if you lovely folks on this forum enjoy or loathe 
> these "help me pick a bike" posts - there are a lot of them - but I really 
> would greatly appreciate your input on my situation.  I bought a Leo 
> Roadini a while back (my first Riv) and love it for pavement and gravel 
> roads.  I now want to look into a trail bike for everything from dirt paths 
> to midwestern single track (grounded and cautious - I'm 62 years).
>
> So, I'm torn between a Platypus (love the aesthetics) and a Clem L (the 
> ride experience is evidently sublime?). Or should I wait for the new 
> stouter Susie to arrive (did I mention I weigh 205 lbs?).  I only ride for 
> exercise a couple of hours a day, so no lugging weight on racks or bags . . 
> .  would I overwhelm the Platypus frame in the woods?  Would the Clem have 
> the ground clearance for roots and rocks?  
>
> Obviously the Susie would be the safe and conservative choice, but I'm not 
> a very patient person (this May? Any guarantees?), and I really do love the 
> purple Platypus available currently.  The Clem L would offer a slightly 
> larger tire clearance, and the low(ish) bottom bracket height would likely 
> be sufficient 94.3 % of the time; and tig welds are just fine with me 
> (sorry for the hurt feelings).
>
> Or, a forth option - to be truly difficult, should I keep riding my Surly 
> Krampus in the woods and continue to risk wiping out and injuring myself - 
> it just demands to be ridden with abandon, and I scare myself.  That's my 
> problem I guess, not the bike's.
>
> Thank you so much in advance.  I know I've probably left out relevant 
> information, but I've tried to keep this somewhat short.  Fail.
>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Roadini 50CM

2024-02-24 Thread Chris Fly

I have to assume it's this 
one: 
https://sandiego.craigslist.org/esd/bik/d/el-cajon-rivendell-radini-50cm/7719401355.html

On Saturday, February 24, 2024 at 12:00:44 PM UTC-8 Dorothy C wrote:

> What color?
>
> On Saturday, February 24, 2024 at 8:48:20 AM UTC-8 James B wrote:
>
>> I recently purchased this Roadini but due to circumstances of life, I 
>> must pare down my fleet.  $1800 for local pickup in the San Diego area.  I 
>> am willing to ship but buyer will be responsible for shipping. 
>> 50 cm frame  PBH range of 77-83
>> 9 cm Nitto stem
>> 46cm Nitto bars
>> Silver 2 shifters
>> Nitto Seatpost
>> Shimano Nexave Rear Derailleur
>> Microshift Front Derailleur
>> Velocity RIms laced to Shimano 105 hubs 32 hole
>> Panaracer 700x38 Gravelkings
>> Tektro R559 Brakes
>> Silver 2 crankset
>> Berthound Aravis Saddle (ti Rails)
>> The bike is in perfect condition with 0 scratches. 
>>
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Re: [RBW] Going really large on Clems

2024-02-24 Thread Johnny Alien

My PBH generally puts me in the middle of sizes. Either at the top of one 
range or bottom of the net. For a step thru/general use bike I would go 
with the size up and for a road setup or diamond frame model I would size 
down. That has always worked for me. I understand that Rivendell will 
sometimes suggest massively sizing up on step thru frames but I have never 
been comfortable that way and also just don't like the look of a slammed 
stem and seatpost.

On Saturday, February 24, 2024 at 3:41:09 PM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Yes! 
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 24, 2024, at 2:38 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Isn't Grant's intention with these very long reaches to the bar, to allow 
> bars with long sweepback on a stem of reasonable length and with a lot of 
> rise?
>
> In my own case, with short arms and long torso and a drop bar level with 
> or below saddle, I need a very undersquare frame (60 X 56 c-c is perfect) 
> for a level top tube; of courses, if I were to use a non-drop bar with a 
> lot of sweepback, things could be different.
>
> On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 11:23 AM Josh C  wrote:
>
>> I could fit on anything between 59-64cm with the low top tube but I'd 
>> pick the 59 just to keep the overall length down. These bikes are already 
>> crazy long, I don't want to make it longer unnecessarily, a 64 clem is like 
>> riding an 80s Lincoln Towncar. I don't understand the draw of sizing up. 
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Re: [RBW] I only have 1 chance to get a Rivendell.. which would you recommend?

2024-02-24 Thread Johnny Alien

For what you want it for and with price not factored in I would also vote 
for the platy. I think it will do everything the AHH can do but also give 
you the luxury of the step thru.

On Saturday, February 24, 2024 at 1:50:43 PM UTC-5 Eric Daume wrote:

> I would get the Sam for the effective brakes. I've never had a good 
> experience with long reach sidepulls. 
>
> Eric
>
> On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 11:46 AM Polipop  wrote:
>
>> Only 1 chance because I'm living in Asia and the closest place I can buy 
>> is from Blue Lug online store in Tokyo. So, I have to pay for shipping and 
>> import tax.
>>
>> I mostly commute 90% and joy ride the rest. Wish and would one day will 
>> go for long road touring. I'm considering the following model.
>>
>> A. Homer Hilsen OR Sam Hillborne. From my research, their geometry are 
>> pretty much the same now. Except Hillborne is a bit heavier due to tube 
>> reinforcement. I'm leaning toward A. Homer Hilsen because its lighter and I 
>> can get one now.
>>
>> Also considering their Step Through. First choice would be Platypus then 
>> Clem Smith Jr..
>>
>> Which one would you recommend and thanks in advance.
>>
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Re: [RBW] FS - Alex Singer LS wool jersey

2024-02-24 Thread 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch

PM sent. –Eric NOn Feb 24, 2024, at 9:00 AM, Patrick Moore wrote:Sheesh, I'm very tempted just for the front pockets, but someone just gave me a very nice LS wool jersey. Long ago I did have a retro-production Cycles Wolfe ss wool jersey with front pockets; I think Wolfe was an ancient Belgian team and, probably, marque. I see that current ones don't have the front pockets any more.It's a good thing that it's probably a bit large for me.On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 9:51 AM Jay Bird wrote:Hey there, I have a new Alex Singer jersey bought from Alex Singer cycles in Paris, France summer of 2022. It says it's size '7' - laid flat from pit to pit it measures 21" so probably around an XL (which is what I usually wear). Front and rear pockets.Shipped CONUS $125

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Re: [RBW] New bike decision (help!)

I’ve not ridden a Platypus but I’ve yet to hear it described as a trail bike. Love, love, love my Clem on & off road but if things get dicey it’s a bit overwhelmed with the lower bottom bracket - compared to my Gus. The Gus or the new Susie (get one! Run do not walk!) are singletrack machines. Yes they are good for other duties as well but are conceived & built to be mountain bikes. I am blown away by it on rough, rooty & slightly rocky singletrack. It is every bit the mountain bike that a Jones is (I had one) which is of course highly regarded in that category. I’ve yet to experience a pedal strike on the Gus. I’ve had quite a few on the Clem. And I am pretty decent at avoiding them if I do say so. So, IMHO if what you are looking for is a singletrack bike get the new Susie or try to find a leftover one/Gus.FWIW, I am closing on 69 years old & have ditched my full suspension bike in favor of the Gus. As you allude to, I am a bit less aggressive on the Gus vs. the Ibis. I think that’s is smarter at my age. No less fun though.:)Sent from my iPhoneOn Feb 24, 2024, at 11:51 AM, Gregger wrote:Long time listener, first time caller. It's a bit hard to tell if you lovely folks on this forum enjoy or loathe these "help me pick a bike" posts - there are a lot of them - but I really would greatly appreciate your input on my situation. I bought a Leo Roadini a while back (my first Riv) and love it for pavement and gravel roads. I now want to look into a trail bike for everything from dirt paths to midwestern single track (grounded and cautious - I'm 62 years).So, I'm torn between a Platypus (love the aesthetics) and a Clem L (the ride experience is evidently sublime?). Or should I wait for the new stouter Susie to arrive (did I mention I weigh 205 lbs?). I only ride for exercise a couple of hours a day, so no lugging weight on racks or bags . . . would I overwhelm the Platypus frame in the woods? Would the Clem have the ground clearance for roots and rocks? Obviously the Susie would be the safe and conservative choice, but I'm not a very patient person (this May? Any guarantees?), and I really do love the purple Platypus available currently. The Clem L would offer a slightly larger tire clearance, and the low(ish) bottom bracket height would likely be sufficient 94.3 % of the time; and tig welds are just fine with me (sorry for the hurt feelings).Or, a forth option - to be truly difficult, should I keep riding my Surly Krampus in the woods and continue to risk wiping out and injuring myself - it just demands to be ridden with abandon, and I scare myself. That's my problem I guess, not the bike's.Thank you so much in advance. I know I've probably left out relevant information, but I've tried to keep this somewhat short. Fail.

Re: [RBW] Going really large on Clems

Yes! Sent from my iPhoneOn Feb 24, 2024, at 2:38 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:Isn't Grant's intention with these very long reaches to the bar, to allow bars with long sweepback on a stem of reasonable length and with a lot of rise?In my own case, with short arms and long torso and a drop bar level with or below saddle, I need a very undersquare frame (60 X 56 c-c is perfect) for a level top tube; of courses, if I were to use a non-drop bar with a lot of sweepback, things could be different.On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 11:23 AM Josh C  wrote:I could fit on anything between 59-64cm with the low top tube but I'd pick the 59 just to keep the overall length down. These bikes are already crazy long, I don't want to make it longer unnecessarily, a 64 clem is like riding an 80s Lincoln Towncar. I don't understand the draw of sizing up. 



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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB 50cm Roadini

2024-02-24 Thread Brian Cunningham

Seems like a good deal! For approximately the cost of a frame/fork and a Berthoud saddle you get a complete bike! Sent from my iPhoneOn Feb 24, 2024, at 8:38 AM, Chris Fly wrote:Thanks, I'll check it out! I wonder if this is anyone on here? On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 7:15 AM Doug H. wrote:Here is one on craigslist... https://sandiego.craigslist.org/esd/bik/d/el-cajon-rivendell-radini-50cm/7719401355.htmlDougOn Friday, February 23, 2024 at 10:06:09 PM UTC-5 four...@gmail.com wrote:Hey all, still searching for a 50cm Roadini.. I know I can still get a new frameset, but hoping to get in with a bit cheaper route.. frameset or complete.. Thanks!

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[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne Pictures Thread

2024-02-24 Thread Adam

Enjoying this thread.

Curious about the conti race kings. Those are 2.0s and they fit? Or am I 
missing something?

I've used Cazadero 50s and they cleared, but I didn't like them enough and 
missed fenders. I'm always curious about other tires in that range though.

I'll put a pic up eventually, but mine has RH hurricane ridge/Snoqualmie 
pass, VO zeppelin fenders and the widest towel racks. I'm enjoying that 
combo. I just added a nitto 34f and am not minding it, but haven't tried 
really loading it down yet.

Adam


On Saturday, February 24, 2024 at 10:57:18 AM UTC-6 Marc Irwin wrote:

> [image: Blued Sam.jpg]
> Here's mine, many miles on this dude.  2X9 drive, Bosco Bars and C19 
> saddle.
>
> Marc
> On Wednesday, February 14, 2024 at 1:35:39 PM UTC-5 Paul in Dallas wrote:
>
>> After seeing various Sam owners pictures here and there on various 
>> threads I thought I would start a thread dedicated to the versatile Sam's.
>>
>> Perhaps such a thread already exists?
>>
>> No worries if it does and perhaps someone could post a link if there is 
>> one out there.
>>
>> Here is my Sam with upright bars.
>>
>> I'm an older Riv owner , almost 74 and still love riding and working on 
>> bikes.
>>
>> I managed just over 2700 miles in 2023 ( not all on the Sam)
>>  and hope to top that in 2024 the Good Lord willing.
>>
>> My bars are the  Sunlite North Road alloy version.
>> ( They also have a steel version)
>> I like these North Roads so much I have them on multiple bikes 
>>
>> I have a very tall stem column , (forget the brand)
>> and a thread less stem, Origin8 I think.
>> I need the bars way up for the old back.
>> It works well for me and I've done up to 73 miles on it set up this way.
>>
>> I have a triple crank (need the granny to get up hills).
>>  I'm using the more 
>> modern Dia Compe thumb shifters, 
>> Shimano derailers, 
>> Tektro 559 brake calipers, 
>> Velocity Dyad rims / Deore hubs wheelset and Soma Supple Vitesse EX tires 
>> in a 700x42.
>>
>> I do recommend these tires as they are supple, seem to roll fast and 
>> smooth and are relatively light for a tire this size at 380g's. No flats in 
>> guessing 600 or so miles.
>>
>> The tan saddle is an Origin8 Comfort in about the same width as a B17. 
>> It works well for me. I like the look and it's only about $40.
>>
>> I like working on bikes and built my Sam up myself.
>>
>> Safe riding to all.
>>
>> Paul in Dallas, TX area
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: New bike decision (help!)

2024-02-24 Thread Jim M.

Get the Platy if it's your favorite. Any Riv can be ridden anywhere. The 
limiting factor to me is tire size -- is 50mm enough for what you want? If 
not, wait for Susie.

happy trails!
jim mather
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On Saturday, February 24, 2024 at 8:51:21 AM UTC-8 Gregger wrote:

> Long time listener, first time caller.  
>
> It's a bit hard to tell if you lovely folks on this forum enjoy or loathe 
> these "help me pick a bike" posts - there are a lot of them - but I really 
> would greatly appreciate your input on my situation.  I bought a Leo 
> Roadini a while back (my first Riv) and love it for pavement and gravel 
> roads.  I now want to look into a trail bike for everything from dirt paths 
> to midwestern single track (grounded and cautious - I'm 62 years).
>
> So, I'm torn between a Platypus (love the aesthetics) and a Clem L (the 
> ride experience is evidently sublime?). Or should I wait for the new 
> stouter Susie to arrive (did I mention I weigh 205 lbs?).  I only ride for 
> exercise a couple of hours a day, so no lugging weight on racks or bags . . 
> .  would I overwhelm the Platypus frame in the woods?  Would the Clem have 
> the ground clearance for roots and rocks?  
>
> Obviously the Susie would be the safe and conservative choice, but I'm not 
> a very patient person (this May? Any guarantees?), and I really do love the 
> purple Platypus available currently.  The Clem L would offer a slightly 
> larger tire clearance, and the low(ish) bottom bracket height would likely 
> be sufficient 94.3 % of the time; and tig welds are just fine with me 
> (sorry for the hurt feelings).
>
> Or, a forth option - to be truly difficult, should I keep riding my Surly 
> Krampus in the woods and continue to risk wiping out and injuring myself - 
> it just demands to be ridden with abandon, and I scare myself.  That's my 
> problem I guess, not the bike's.
>
> Thank you so much in advance.  I know I've probably left out relevant 
> information, but I've tried to keep this somewhat short.  Fail.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Roadini 50CM

2024-02-24 Thread Dorothy C

What color?

On Saturday, February 24, 2024 at 8:48:20 AM UTC-8 James B wrote:

> I recently purchased this Roadini but due to circumstances of life, I must 
> pare down my fleet.  $1800 for local pickup in the San Diego area.  I am 
> willing to ship but buyer will be responsible for shipping. 
> 50 cm frame  PBH range of 77-83
> 9 cm Nitto stem
> 46cm Nitto bars
> Silver 2 shifters
> Nitto Seatpost
> Shimano Nexave Rear Derailleur
> Microshift Front Derailleur
> Velocity RIms laced to Shimano 105 hubs 32 hole
> Panaracer 700x38 Gravelkings
> Tektro R559 Brakes
> Silver 2 crankset
> Berthound Aravis Saddle (ti Rails)
> The bike is in perfect condition with 0 scratches. 
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[RBW] Re: FS: 58cm silver double top tube Appaloosa

2024-02-24 Thread 'Gary L' via RBW Owners Bunch

ScaD, I don’t know the recommendations but my PBH is 91 and it fit 
perfectly. I also had an older double top tube 58 Sam and it fit about the 
same.

On Saturday, February 24, 2024 at 11:51:21 AM UTC-5 ScaD wrote:

> That's a great looking bike! Do you happen to know the PBH recommendation 
> for that size, or have a link to the old geo chart? 
>
> I ride an older 58 cm Sam. Wonder if it's similar. 
>
> On Monday, February 12, 2024 at 7:27:39 PM UTC-5 Gary L wrote:
>
>> The saddle height in the pics is 80cm.
>>
>> Bill, your technical knowledge is way past mine - I'd always assumed the 
>> brake arms were the same and didn't notice any difference in feel. I will 
>> swap them front to back, thanks for the tip! And right now, I'd like to 
>> keep them with the complete bike. If the sale of just the frame frees them 
>> up, I'll get back with you.
>>
>> On Monday, February 12, 2024 at 6:36:23 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> I'm in the market for a set of M900 cantilevers.  Let me know if you 
>>> want me to liberate them
>>>
>>> Also, it looks to me like you have the brakes installed backwards.  The 
>>> M900s were very cleverly designed by Shimano to be slightly different, 
>>> FRONT vs REAR.  The intent was for them to feel the same in your hand.  The 
>>> REAR has a longer run of cable and housing, so would naturally feel 
>>> squishier.  So, they designed the REAR caliper to have a little bit shorter 
>>> arms, and a corresponding slightly lower Mechanical Advantage.  That offset 
>>> the squishiness of the cable and housing run, and the MA demands for a rear 
>>> brake are lower anyway because it's much easier to lock up a rear brake.  
>>> The FRONT had longer arms and a higher MA to complement the stiffer feel 
>>> from a much shorter cable run.  
>>>
>>> You have the longer arms installed in back and the shorter ones in 
>>> front.  At a glance you can tell them apart by the size of the hole in the 
>>> arm.  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Monday, February 12, 2024 at 1:24:47 PM UTC-8 Gary L wrote:
>>>
 I've decided to free up some garage space so my wonderful Appaloosa is 
 up for sale. It's a silver 58cm, double top tube earlier model, but not 
 sure about the year it was made (maybe two iterations ago?). As you can 
 see 
 from the pics, it is in very excellent condition with just some slight 
 discoloration on the head tube from cable rub.

 I'd be open to selling the whole bike (minus Brooks seat, bag, and 
 front rack) for $1950, or the F/F/HS/BB for $1100 obo. Also anywhere in 
 between priced accordingly.

 Component list:
 Deore LX front/rear derailleurs/175mm crank arms and rings
 Silver shifters
 XTR m900 cantis
 Tektro brake levers
 Noodle 46cm bars
 Generic seat post from Riv
 Wheels - Mavic Open Pro rims/Deore LX hubs, 36 DB spokes/Schwalbe 
 Marathon Supreme 40s (not the RH's pictured)

 I'm in Asheville, NC and local pickup would be easiest, but willing to 
 ship if buyer pays for packing/shipping. PayPal preferred.

 Lots of pics here:  https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0xGFqhgJG7q01p

 Send me a PM with any questions!

>>>

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Re: [RBW] Going really large on Clems

Isn't Grant's intention with these very long reaches to the bar, to allow
bars with long sweepback on a stem of reasonable length and with a lot of
rise?

In my own case, with short arms and long torso and a drop bar level with or
below saddle, I need a very undersquare frame (60 X 56 c-c is perfect) for
a level top tube; of courses, if I were to use a non-drop bar with a lot of
sweepback, things could be different.

On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 11:23 AM Josh C  wrote:

> I could fit on anything between 59-64cm with the low top tube but I'd pick
> the 59 just to keep the overall length down. These bikes are already crazy
> long, I don't want to make it longer unnecessarily, a 64 clem is like
> riding an 80s Lincoln Towncar. I don't understand the draw of sizing up.

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Re: [RBW] Going really large on Clems

To Ian’s point, the Clem is unique but very flexible & that long reach is not a limiting factor in my experience. I am (according to Riv) an “in betweener” size wise. I comfortably ride a 52 Clem L with a fistful of seatpost, Bosco bar & 135 FacePlater. Even with the long reach the Bosco needs the long stem - that’s how far back the Bosco comes. So if the longish ETT is “absurdly long” it’s what makes the bike work imho. Possibly important to note is that I have the stem almost at its limit height wise. I know I could ride one size up with less seatpost exposed and less stem exposed as well. I might also need a shorter stem, not sure.But, I also ride a large (57?) Gus which has a similarly long reach as the Clem. I only have a couple of inches of seatpost showing and use a less sweptback bar (Albacore) that has a bit of forward sweep also. So that bike only has a 35mm stem. The handlebars though different on these two bikes are in nearly identical grip positions relative to the saddle - and both are supremely comfortable. FWIW I do not have a long torso/arms. When you have a bike where standover is irrelevant there are all kinds of possibilities.Sent from my iPhoneOn Feb 24, 2024, at 12:27 PM, ian m wrote:I'm a proponent of sizing to the largest frame that you can comfortably standover, but obviously the Clem L throws that out the window. The thing to look out for on the Clem's is the absurdly long effective top tube. I previously owned a 52 Clem H (83PBH here) and I think it had a 61cm top tube?? Could never get comfortable even with albatross bars. Looks like the current models are even longer, but you are right, the reach remains near the same as the stack increases, bringing the handlebars up and closer to begin with. But a near 47cm reach is nothing to sneeze at, unless you have a very long torso/arms you'll be running exclusively very swept back bars. For comparison a Hillborne reach averages 10cm shorter.On Saturday, February 24, 2024 at 11:53:00 AM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:I've no advice on Riv sizing except that I personally prefer to downsize wrt their recommendations, but I do want to remind you that list rules require you to post photos of your bikes if they are at all interesting, and yours sound interesting indeed.[For the terminally earnest: No, there is no such list rule, but posting photos of interesting bikes is what old fashioned Catholic moral doctrine called a temporal work of mercy, like caring for the sick and visiting the imprisoned. That's a joke too.]So, please do!On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 9:49 AM Paul Donald wrote:Hi, I'm new here, all my Rivendell ownership is currently confined to their components all over my Riv-esque bikes, Soma Saga, New Albion Privateer, Schwinn High Sierra (that one is destined to be replaced with a proper Riv) Omnium Cargo. It would be nice to have the main course and not just be fiddling with the condiments.I've been reading what folks have written about Riv sizing, both here and on Rivs website, and was particularly interested in Grant's experiment with a 64 Clem for his 85mm PBH. I have a PBH of 85.5 so in theory I could do similar. Oddly, according to their spec sheets, a 64 has 1mm less reach than a 59.Anyone cheerfully riding against the grain size-wise?

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Re: [RBW] I only have 1 chance to get a Rivendell.. which would you recommend?

2024-02-24 Thread Eric Daume

I would get the Sam for the effective brakes. I've never had a good
experience with long reach sidepulls.

Eric

On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 11:46 AM Polipop  wrote:

> Only 1 chance because I'm living in Asia and the closest place I can buy
> is from Blue Lug online store in Tokyo. So, I have to pay for shipping and
> import tax.
>
> I mostly commute 90% and joy ride the rest. Wish and would one day will go
> for long road touring. I'm considering the following model.
>
> A. Homer Hilsen OR Sam Hillborne. From my research, their geometry are
> pretty much the same now. Except Hillborne is a bit heavier due to tube
> reinforcement. I'm leaning toward A. Homer Hilsen because its lighter and I
> can get one now.
>
> Also considering their Step Through. First choice would be Platypus then
> Clem Smith Jr..
>
> Which one would you recommend and thanks in advance.
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[RBW] Re: I only have 1 chance to get a Rivendell.. which would you recommend?

Welcome to the Bunch! For me the choice would be between the Homer and 
Platypus. Within that spectrum I would pick my preferred brakes, standover 
clearance, color and name. 

Joe Bernard 

On Saturday, February 24, 2024 at 8:46:51 AM UTC-8 ahb...@gmail.com wrote:

> Only 1 chance because I'm living in Asia and the closest place I can buy 
> is from Blue Lug online store in Tokyo. So, I have to pay for shipping and 
> import tax.
>
> I mostly commute 90% and joy ride the rest. Wish and would one day will go 
> for long road touring. I'm considering the following model.
>
> A. Homer Hilsen OR Sam Hillborne. From my research, their geometry are 
> pretty much the same now. Except Hillborne is a bit heavier due to tube 
> reinforcement. I'm leaning toward A. Homer Hilsen because its lighter and I 
> can get one now.
>
> Also considering their Step Through. First choice would be Platypus then 
> Clem Smith Jr..
>
> Which one would you recommend and thanks in advance.
>

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[RBW] Re: Going really large on Clems

Oh shoot, I put this on the wrong thread. Sorry! 

On Saturday, February 24, 2024 at 10:29:24 AM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Welcome to the Bunch! For me the choice would be between the Homer and 
> Platypus. Within that spectrum I would pick my preferred brakes, standover 
> clearance, color and name. 
>
> Joe Bernard 
> On Saturday, February 24, 2024 at 8:49:07 AM UTC-8 snipp...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi, I'm new here, all my Rivendell ownership is currently confined to 
>> their components all over my Riv-esque bikes, Soma Saga, New Albion 
>> Privateer, Schwinn High Sierra (that one is destined to be replaced with a 
>> proper Riv) Omnium Cargo. It would be nice to have the main course and not 
>> just be fiddling with the condiments.
>>
>> I've been reading what folks have written about Riv sizing, both here and 
>> on Rivs website, and was particularly interested in Grant's experiment with 
>> a 64 Clem for his 85mm PBH. I have a PBH of 85.5 so in theory I could do 
>> similar. Oddly, according to their spec sheets, a 64 has 1mm less reach 
>> than a 59.
>>
>> Anyone cheerfully riding against the grain size-wise?
>>
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[RBW] Re: I only have 1 chance to get a Rivendell.. which would you recommend?

2024-02-24 Thread Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!

Oh, what a fun thread! I’m glad you asked. Everyone knows what I’m going to 
say, but when has that ever stopped me? Everyone loves a Platypus. Will 
from Rivendell has said it’s his favorite, and he has all the Rivs, so 
there you go. I love mine so much I have 3. All for different purposes. And 
that step-through feature is unbeatable, especially when you load up your 
bike. But whatever you decide, do let us know!

On Saturday, February 24, 2024 at 11:46:51 AM UTC-5 ahb...@gmail.com wrote:

> Only 1 chance because I'm living in Asia and the closest place I can buy 
> is from Blue Lug online store in Tokyo. So, I have to pay for shipping and 
> import tax.
>
> I mostly commute 90% and joy ride the rest. Wish and would one day will go 
> for long road touring. I'm considering the following model.
>
> A. Homer Hilsen OR Sam Hillborne. From my research, their geometry are 
> pretty much the same now. Except Hillborne is a bit heavier due to tube 
> reinforcement. I'm leaning toward A. Homer Hilsen because its lighter and I 
> can get one now.
>
> Also considering their Step Through. First choice would be Platypus then 
> Clem Smith Jr..
>
> Which one would you recommend and thanks in advance.
>

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[RBW] Re: Going really large on Clems

Welcome to the Bunch! For me the choice would be between the Homer and 
Platypus. Within that spectrum I would pick my preferred brakes, standover 
clearance, color and name. 

Joe Bernard 
On Saturday, February 24, 2024 at 8:49:07 AM UTC-8 snipp...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi, I'm new here, all my Rivendell ownership is currently confined to 
> their components all over my Riv-esque bikes, Soma Saga, New Albion 
> Privateer, Schwinn High Sierra (that one is destined to be replaced with a 
> proper Riv) Omnium Cargo. It would be nice to have the main course and not 
> just be fiddling with the condiments.
>
> I've been reading what folks have written about Riv sizing, both here and 
> on Rivs website, and was particularly interested in Grant's experiment with 
> a 64 Clem for his 85mm PBH. I have a PBH of 85.5 so in theory I could do 
> similar. Oddly, according to their spec sheets, a 64 has 1mm less reach 
> than a 59.
>
> Anyone cheerfully riding against the grain size-wise?
>

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Re: [RBW] Going really large on Clems

2024-02-24 Thread Josh C

I could fit on anything between 59-64cm with the low top tube but I'd pick 
the 59 just to keep the overall length down. These bikes are already crazy 
long, I don't want to make it longer unnecessarily, a 64 clem is like 
riding an 80s Lincoln Towncar. I don't understand the draw of sizing up. 

On Saturday, February 24, 2024 at 12:26:54 PM UTC-5 ian m wrote:

> I'm a proponent of sizing to the largest frame that you can comfortably 
> standover, but obviously the Clem L throws that out the window. The thing 
> to look out for on the Clem's is the absurdly long effective top tube. I 
> previously owned a 52 Clem H (83PBH here) and I think it had a 61cm top 
> tube?? Could never get comfortable even with albatross bars. Looks like the 
> current models are even longer, but you are right, the reach remains near 
> the same as the stack increases, bringing the handlebars up and closer to 
> begin with. But a near 47cm reach is nothing to sneeze at, unless you have 
> a very long torso/arms you'll be running exclusively very swept back bars. 
> For comparison a Hillborne reach averages 10cm shorter.
>
> On Saturday, February 24, 2024 at 11:53:00 AM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> I've no advice on Riv sizing except that I personally prefer to downsize 
>> wrt their recommendations, but I do want to remind you that list rules 
>> require you to post photos of your bikes if they are at all interesting, 
>> and yours sound interesting indeed.
>>
>> [For the terminally earnest: No, there is no such list rule, but posting 
>> photos of interesting bikes is what old fashioned Catholic moral doctrine 
>> called a temporal work of mercy, like caring for the sick and visiting the 
>> imprisoned. That's a joke too.]
>>
>> So, please do!
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 9:49 AM Paul Donald  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi, I'm new here, all my Rivendell ownership is currently confined to 
>>> their components all over my Riv-esque bikes, Soma Saga, New Albion 
>>> Privateer, Schwinn High Sierra (that one is destined to be replaced with a 
>>> proper Riv) Omnium Cargo. It would be nice to have the main course and not 
>>> just be fiddling with the condiments.
>>>
>>> I've been reading what folks have written about Riv sizing, both here 
>>> and on Rivs website, and was particularly interested in Grant's experiment 
>>> with a 64 Clem for his 85mm PBH. I have a PBH of 85.5 so in theory I could 
>>> do similar. Oddly, according to their spec sheets, a 64 has 1mm less reach 
>>> than a 59.
>>>
>>> Anyone cheerfully riding against the grain size-wise?
>>>
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Re: [RBW] I only have 1 chance to get a Rivendell.. which would you recommend?

2024-02-24 Thread Victor Hanson

that's a solid reason to get it mate.  A Homer it is..

On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 8:46 AM Polipop  wrote:

> Only 1 chance because I'm living in Asia and the closest place I can buy
> is from Blue Lug online store in Tokyo. So, I have to pay for shipping and
> import tax.
>
> I mostly commute 90% and joy ride the rest. Wish and would one day will go
> for long road touring. I'm considering the following model.
>
> A. Homer Hilsen OR Sam Hillborne. From my research, their geometry are
> pretty much the same now. Except Hillborne is a bit heavier due to tube
> reinforcement. I'm leaning toward A. Homer Hilsen because its lighter and I
> can get one now.
>
> Also considering their Step Through. First choice would be Platypus then
> Clem Smith Jr..
>
> Which one would you recommend and thanks in advance.
>
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Re: [RBW] WTB 650B Dynamo Wheel & Question About Alex Rims

2024-02-24 Thread Josh C

Maybe just have someone lace a dyno hub into that existing wheel. I just 
did this for my wife's platy and, other than buying a dyno hub, the work 
only cost me $50. Beats buying another wheel just to have the original 
hanging in my garage. 

On Saturday, February 24, 2024 at 12:15:12 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Congrats on the new Clem. That's the model that I've most thought about 
> recently. Perhaps one day ...
>
> I've ridden Alex rims on 2 Redline Monocog 29ers and based on those I'd 
> say that Redline makes good, workmanlike modestly priced rims that are 
> really all that most of us need. 584 (millimeters) is the "bead seat 
> diameter," the diameter of the rim where the tire bead sits, thus a measure 
> of the inner tire bead diameter, and thus further a quick-reference for 
> tire height (which of course varies almost infinetly according to tire 
> width); the 650B designation is an ancient French and nowadays confusing 
> name for precisely that bead seat diameter, so that 650B = 584 mm bsd. 
> 650B/584 bsd tires and rims are sortof kindof halfway between "road 
> wheels/tires" or 700c/622 bsd and "twenty six inch wheels", of which there 
> are too many varieties to enumerate here but which commonly refers to the 
> most common mountain bike wheel 20 and 30 years ago with a 559 mm bsd.
>
> DM 18? I don't know but I'd guess that 18 mm is the inner width of the 
> rim. Others can correct as necessary.
>
>  
>
> On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 9:51 AM Dennis Wong  wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Purchased my first Riv, a mustard colored Clem Jr H! 
>>
>> I think the bike has the original 650B wheels marked Alex Rims.  The are 
>> about 31mm wide.  I'd was thinking of having someone build a new, matching 
>> front wheel with a dynamo.  I looked at the Velocity and Alex Rim sites.  
>> Other than the Rivendell Site 
>>  (650B/27.5/584 x 
>> DM18 x Shimano hubs) I don't see much on the web about these rims.  (What 
>> does the 584 and DM18 mean?)
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Going really large on Clems

2024-02-24 Thread ian m

I'm a proponent of sizing to the largest frame that you can comfortably 
standover, but obviously the Clem L throws that out the window. The thing 
to look out for on the Clem's is the absurdly long effective top tube. I 
previously owned a 52 Clem H (83PBH here) and I think it had a 61cm top 
tube?? Could never get comfortable even with albatross bars. Looks like the 
current models are even longer, but you are right, the reach remains near 
the same as the stack increases, bringing the handlebars up and closer to 
begin with. But a near 47cm reach is nothing to sneeze at, unless you have 
a very long torso/arms you'll be running exclusively very swept back bars. 
For comparison a Hillborne reach averages 10cm shorter.

On Saturday, February 24, 2024 at 11:53:00 AM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I've no advice on Riv sizing except that I personally prefer to downsize 
> wrt their recommendations, but I do want to remind you that list rules 
> require you to post photos of your bikes if they are at all interesting, 
> and yours sound interesting indeed.
>
> [For the terminally earnest: No, there is no such list rule, but posting 
> photos of interesting bikes is what old fashioned Catholic moral doctrine 
> called a temporal work of mercy, like caring for the sick and visiting the 
> imprisoned. That's a joke too.]
>
> So, please do!
>
> On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 9:49 AM Paul Donald  wrote:
>
>> Hi, I'm new here, all my Rivendell ownership is currently confined to 
>> their components all over my Riv-esque bikes, Soma Saga, New Albion 
>> Privateer, Schwinn High Sierra (that one is destined to be replaced with a 
>> proper Riv) Omnium Cargo. It would be nice to have the main course and not 
>> just be fiddling with the condiments.
>>
>> I've been reading what folks have written about Riv sizing, both here and 
>> on Rivs website, and was particularly interested in Grant's experiment with 
>> a 64 Clem for his 85mm PBH. I have a PBH of 85.5 so in theory I could do 
>> similar. Oddly, according to their spec sheets, a 64 has 1mm less reach 
>> than a 59.
>>
>> Anyone cheerfully riding against the grain size-wise?
>>
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>
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Re: [RBW] WTB 650B Dynamo Wheel & Question About Alex Rims

Congrats on the new Clem. That's the model that I've most thought about
recently. Perhaps one day ...

I've ridden Alex rims on 2 Redline Monocog 29ers and based on those I'd say
that Redline makes good, workmanlike modestly priced rims that are really
all that most of us need. 584 (millimeters) is the "bead seat diameter,"
the diameter of the rim where the tire bead sits, thus a measure of the
inner tire bead diameter, and thus further a quick-reference for tire
height (which of course varies almost infinetly according to tire width);
the 650B designation is an ancient French and nowadays confusing name for
precisely that bead seat diameter, so that 650B = 584 mm bsd. 650B/584 bsd
tires and rims are sortof kindof halfway between "road wheels/tires" or
700c/622 bsd and "twenty six inch wheels", of which there are too many
varieties to enumerate here but which commonly refers to the most common
mountain bike wheel 20 and 30 years ago with a 559 mm bsd.

DM 18? I don't know but I'd guess that 18 mm is the inner width of the rim.
Others can correct as necessary.

On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 9:51 AM Dennis Wong  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Purchased my first Riv, a mustard colored Clem Jr H!
>
> I think the bike has the original 650B wheels marked Alex Rims.  The are
> about 31mm wide.  I'd was thinking of having someone build a new, matching
> front wheel with a dynamo.  I looked at the Velocity and Alex Rim sites.
> Other than the Rivendell Site
>  (650B/27.5/584 x
> DM18 x Shimano hubs) I don't see much on the web about these rims.  (What
> does the 584 and DM18 mean?)
>
> Thank you.
>

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[RBW] Re: NorCal Coast Tour Route Feedback

2024-02-24 Thread Zac

Hi Stephen,

I did this years ago and had a blast, despite one full day of rain on our 
way to Leggett, which also coincided with stretches along Hwy 101. People 
have different comfort levels regarding riding with traffic, but if—and 
when!—I do this trip again I would probably look for side routes along that 
stretch, say, between Garberville and Leggett; and maybe around Fort Bragg, 
unless folks there have changed their attitude towards bike touring since I 
last rode through. Other than those areas, I have fond memories of weaving 
down Hwy 1 with barely a soul in sight for miles and miles. So I would 
stick to the coast mostly, as in your second itinerary. Also, in my 
experience, many of the roads that head inland in that area are significant 
climbs, have little to no shoulder and lots of twists and turns that some 
drivers like to race through. 

You're gonna love it.

On Sunday, February 11, 2024 at 12:38:21 PM UTC-8 Stephen wrote:

> Hey All,
>
> This week I've been fantasizing about a tour route from Eureka to SF that 
> follows the PCH but avoids riding on it as much as possible (within 
> reason). So I've been playing around in rwgps and Gaia Gps maps to make 
> some route drafts, trying to stay close to the coast but choosing alternate 
> roads and dirt roads as much as possible to avoid traffic. 
>
> For the beginning of the route I used part of a Lost Coast tour route that 
> ends and begins in Eureka. As for the end, I've done a fair bit of riding 
> in Marin and have familiarity with the roads and trails up to Sir Francis 
> Drake Road. Will probably make two different route endings, one for east 
> bay and one for SF. (the route draft I have now is for eastbay) 
>
> I was wondering if anyone on the list had experience in the other areas up 
> the coast, or has done a similar ride, or been on any of the roads I've 
> routed or had recommendations? Sometimes you see a road on a map and in 
> reality its private access or washed away. Would appreciate any thoughts or 
> feedback or anybody who wants to nerd out on maps and routemaking.
>
> Playing with the idea of riding this on my appaloosa in April.
>
> ROUTES:
> https://ridewithgps.com/routes/45561107
> https://ridewithgps.com/routes/45561484
>
> Let me know if theres trouble accessing those.
>
> Thanks!
>

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Re: [RBW] Going really large on Clems

I've no advice on Riv sizing except that I personally prefer to downsize
wrt their recommendations, but I do want to remind you that list rules
require you to post photos of your bikes if they are at all interesting,
and yours sound interesting indeed.

[For the terminally earnest: No, there is no such list rule, but posting
photos of interesting bikes is what old fashioned Catholic moral doctrine
called a temporal work of mercy, like caring for the sick and visiting the
imprisoned. That's a joke too.]

So, please do!

On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 9:49 AM Paul Donald  wrote:

> Hi, I'm new here, all my Rivendell ownership is currently confined to
> their components all over my Riv-esque bikes, Soma Saga, New Albion
> Privateer, Schwinn High Sierra (that one is destined to be replaced with a
> proper Riv) Omnium Cargo. It would be nice to have the main course and not
> just be fiddling with the condiments.
>
> I've been reading what folks have written about Riv sizing, both here and
> on Rivs website, and was particularly interested in Grant's experiment with
> a 64 Clem for his 85mm PBH. I have a PBH of 85.5 so in theory I could do
> similar. Oddly, according to their spec sheets, a 64 has 1mm less reach
> than a 59.
>
> Anyone cheerfully riding against the grain size-wise?
>
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[RBW] New bike decision (help!)

2024-02-24 Thread Gregger

Long time listener, first time caller.

It's a bit hard to tell if you lovely folks on this forum enjoy or loathe
these "help me pick a bike" posts - there are a lot of them - but I really
would greatly appreciate your input on my situation. I bought a Leo
Roadini a while back (my first Riv) and love it for pavement and gravel
roads. I now want to look into a trail bike for everything from dirt paths
to midwestern single track (grounded and cautious - I'm 62 years).

So, I'm torn between a Platypus (love the aesthetics) and a Clem L (the
ride experience is evidently sublime?). Or should I wait for the new
stouter Susie to arrive (did I mention I weigh 205 lbs?). I only ride for
exercise a couple of hours a day, so no lugging weight on racks or bags . .
. would I overwhelm the Platypus frame in the woods? Would the Clem have
the ground clearance for roots and rocks?

Obviously the Susie would be the safe and conservative choice, but I'm not
a very patient person (this May? Any guarantees?), and I really do love the
purple Platypus available currently. The Clem L would offer a slightly
larger tire clearance, and the low(ish) bottom bracket height would likely
be sufficient 94.3 % of the time; and tig welds are just fine with me
(sorry for the hurt feelings).

Or, a forth option - to be truly difficult, should I keep riding my Surly
Krampus in the woods and continue to risk wiping out and injuring myself -
it just demands to be ridden with abandon, and I scare myself. That's my
problem I guess, not the bike's.

Thank you so much in advance. I know I've probably left out relevant
information, but I've tried to keep this somewhat short. Fail.

[RBW] ISO: 53 to 57 Atlantis 2 or Hunq Preferably 650b

2024-02-24 Thread Dillon Maxwell

Howdy everyone,

I am searching for a 650b Atlantis or Hunq. Thanks to my oddly inbetween 
size PBH/reach I can swing down to a 53 and up to a 57 based on what I've 
gleaned from old Riv Geo charts.

Would prefer frame/fork, rolling chassis, stripped down build. But might be 
open to a complete.

I've been trying to hold out until May when Riv drops their new Sam 
Hillborne frames, but the money I've saved is burning a hole in my pocket!

Thanks,

Dillon

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[RBW] Re: FS: 58cm silver double top tube Appaloosa

2024-02-24 Thread ScaD

That's a great looking bike! Do you happen to know the PBH recommendation 
for that size, or have a link to the old geo chart? 

I ride an older 58 cm Sam. Wonder if it's similar. 

On Monday, February 12, 2024 at 7:27:39 PM UTC-5 Gary L wrote:

> The saddle height in the pics is 80cm.
>
> Bill, your technical knowledge is way past mine - I'd always assumed the 
> brake arms were the same and didn't notice any difference in feel. I will 
> swap them front to back, thanks for the tip! And right now, I'd like to 
> keep them with the complete bike. If the sale of just the frame frees them 
> up, I'll get back with you.
>
> On Monday, February 12, 2024 at 6:36:23 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> I'm in the market for a set of M900 cantilevers.  Let me know if you want 
>> me to liberate them
>>
>> Also, it looks to me like you have the brakes installed backwards.  The 
>> M900s were very cleverly designed by Shimano to be slightly different, 
>> FRONT vs REAR.  The intent was for them to feel the same in your hand.  The 
>> REAR has a longer run of cable and housing, so would naturally feel 
>> squishier.  So, they designed the REAR caliper to have a little bit shorter 
>> arms, and a corresponding slightly lower Mechanical Advantage.  That offset 
>> the squishiness of the cable and housing run, and the MA demands for a rear 
>> brake are lower anyway because it's much easier to lock up a rear brake.  
>> The FRONT had longer arms and a higher MA to complement the stiffer feel 
>> from a much shorter cable run.  
>>
>> You have the longer arms installed in back and the shorter ones in 
>> front.  At a glance you can tell them apart by the size of the hole in the 
>> arm.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Monday, February 12, 2024 at 1:24:47 PM UTC-8 Gary L wrote:
>>
>>> I've decided to free up some garage space so my wonderful Appaloosa is 
>>> up for sale. It's a silver 58cm, double top tube earlier model, but not 
>>> sure about the year it was made (maybe two iterations ago?). As you can see 
>>> from the pics, it is in very excellent condition with just some slight 
>>> discoloration on the head tube from cable rub.
>>>
>>> I'd be open to selling the whole bike (minus Brooks seat, bag, and front 
>>> rack) for $1950, or the F/F/HS/BB for $1100 obo. Also anywhere in between 
>>> priced accordingly.
>>>
>>> Component list:
>>> Deore LX front/rear derailleurs/175mm crank arms and rings
>>> Silver shifters
>>> XTR m900 cantis
>>> Tektro brake levers
>>> Noodle 46cm bars
>>> Generic seat post from Riv
>>> Wheels - Mavic Open Pro rims/Deore LX hubs, 36 DB spokes/Schwalbe 
>>> Marathon Supreme 40s (not the RH's pictured)
>>>
>>> I'm in Asheville, NC and local pickup would be easiest, but willing to 
>>> ship if buyer pays for packing/shipping. PayPal preferred.
>>>
>>> Lots of pics here:  https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0xGFqhgJG7q01p
>>>
>>> Send me a PM with any questions!
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Roadini build vid..

2024-02-24 Thread jay gaudani

Sharing this vid I just saw. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfxOxZzvRuo=3s

I own roadini for 8 months and love it.

Jay

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Re: [RBW] Re: Gus /Susie bottom bracket -which one?

Oh, and yes, very genial transaction between Peter and his order assistant
whose name I forget.

On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 9:48 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> It's good to know that these SL bbs are recommended by a knowledgeable
> professional -- well, since Peter carries them, that is probably
> recommendation in itself. I ordered one myself yesterday, a 127 mm to try
> to skim off a few mm of the Q on my Matthews "road bike for dirt" -- with
> the current 130 mm Phil there are about 3 mm of unused airspace between the
> inside of the left arm and the outside of the stay. Must also try that NOS
> 125 mm SunTour Greaseguard bb, but I fear that even with right arm skimming
> the stay on its side -- as it is with proper chainline -- the left arm will
> still rub.
>
> May soon have a NOS/NIB ST GG bb bearing assembly for sale 
>
> Alas, the 127s are available only with plastic cups, but iboblist
> scuttlebutt says that they hold up fine, and Peter said he could not recall
> ever having problems with them. Still, I'd have preferred metal for
> aesthetic, philosophical, and moral reasons.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 7:48 AM Richard Rose  wrote:
>
>> Good Morning! Attached here is a pic from Peter White website. BTW, I
>> called, Peter answered & after a nice conversation I ordered over the
>> phone. It arrived in two days. Nice transaction for sure. Also, these
>> bottom brackets came highly recommended by Analog Cycles - good enough for
>> me.:)
>> The Shimano bb that I replaced was a 118, this Stronglight is 119. I
>> ordered the more expensive one with the aluminum vs. plastic cups. Still
>> just $50.00! And you are correct, I did not change anything else.
>>
>
>

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[RBW] Going really large on Clems

2024-02-24 Thread Paul Donald

Hi, I'm new here, all my Rivendell ownership is currently confined to their 
components all over my Riv-esque bikes, Soma Saga, New Albion Privateer, 
Schwinn High Sierra (that one is destined to be replaced with a proper Riv) 
Omnium Cargo. It would be nice to have the main course and not just be 
fiddling with the condiments.

I've been reading what folks have written about Riv sizing, both here and 
on Rivs website, and was particularly interested in Grant's experiment with 
a 64 Clem for his 85mm PBH. I have a PBH of 85.5 so in theory I could do 
similar. Oddly, according to their spec sheets, a 64 has 1mm less reach 
than a 59.

Anyone cheerfully riding against the grain size-wise?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Gus /Susie bottom bracket -which one?