[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne Pictures Thread

[John Bokman]

 I already own one  - a pumpkin orange from 2017. If they offer the new one 
in the black they once sold, I'm in for another! I'll set it up as my 
"fast" Sam - no racks, light wheels and tires, etc. That is far and away my 
favorite of all the Riv colors I've seen, across the fleet.

John
Portland OR
On Monday, February 26, 2024 at 4:41:21 PM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:

> Who plans to buy a Sam Hillborne in May when they are due to arrive? And, 
> I wonder what colors they will offer. This photo thread is fun to see. 
> Doug
>
> On Monday, February 26, 2024 at 6:24:11 PM UTC-5 John Rinker wrote:
>
>> Great to see all these beautiful and functional Hillbornes. Although I 
>> don't have one myself, I do think the Hillborne blue/grey is my favorite of 
>> the Rivendell colors. 
>>
>> Cheers, John
>>
>> On Monday, February 26, 2024 at 1:17:36 PM UTC-8 Paul in Dallas wrote:
>>
>>> It is fun to see the variety of builds on the Sam's.
>>>
>>> It looks like the majority have some type of upright / swept back style 
>>> handlebars
>>> although of course the Sam is so versatile to accommodate a road bar if 
>>> preferred .
>>>
>>> If recalling correctly I saw orange, silver, light blue , green, black 
>>> and a yellow perhaps mustard like color Sam. (Not sure what Riv called it)
>>>
>>> Cool stuff.
>>>
>>> I'm enjoying the thread.
>>>
>>> Paul in Dallas 
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Philadelphia Bike Expo March 16 - 17

[Dave S]

My wife and I will be there.  Unsure if we’re coming Riv-equipped, but we 
usually leave Riv equipped!? 

Dave

On Monday, February 26, 2024 at 5:22:03 PM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:

> https://phillybikeexpo.com/
>
> Lots of things to do--the expo, rides, parties, coffee and meet ups.
>
> I'm going.  Who else?  I'm within walking distance to the expo (but will 
> be riding my Betty Foy there, because, well..., I should ride).  If anyone 
> needs any local assistance, please reach out via DM.  
>
> There is free bike valet parking by Neighborhood Bike works, and donations 
> accepted.  It's a great way to fund the community bike center.
>
> I hope to meet or see again lots of us happy Riv riders.
>
> Roberta
>

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[RBW] Re: Philadelphia Bike Expo March 16 - 17

[Julian Westerhout]

I plan on being there on Saturday opening through mid-afternoon -- but with 
my Brompton, not one of my Rivs...   :) 

Julian Westerhout
Bloomington, IL 

On Monday, February 26, 2024 at 7:56:02 PM UTC-6 Roberta wrote:

>
> I received this from Tom, who said it was ok to post for him. I look 
> forward to meet you, Tom. 
>
>i and friend patty will be there saturday mid morning thru sunday 
> afternoon staying  near expo
>
>
> She ll have her new purple platy and i will have one of my rivs  so 
> looking fwd to it  and we d be up for dinner satdy anywhere
>
>
> Can t reply to all from my phone  so just letting you know
>
>
> Tom horton  salisbury md
> On Monday, February 26, 2024 at 5:39:13 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> I’ll be there! I will be staying with a RivSister in a hotel close to the 
>> Convention Center. Not sure which Platypus I’m bringing, but I’ll 
>> definitely have one because I plan to do some of the featured rides during 
>> the weekend. Let’s all connect!
>> L
>>
>> On Monday, February 26, 2024 at 5:22:03 PM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:
>>
>>> https://phillybikeexpo.com/
>>>
>>> Lots of things to do--the expo, rides, parties, coffee and meet ups.
>>>
>>> I'm going.  Who else?  I'm within walking distance to the expo (but will 
>>> be riding my Betty Foy there, because, well..., I should ride).  If anyone 
>>> needs any local assistance, please reach out via DM.  
>>>
>>> There is free bike valet parking by Neighborhood Bike works, and 
>>> donations accepted.  It's a great way to fund the community bike center.
>>>
>>> I hope to meet or see again lots of us happy Riv riders.
>>>
>>> Roberta
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Philadelphia Bike Expo March 16 - 17

[Roberta]

I received this from Tom, who said it was ok to post for him. I look 
forward to meet you, Tom. 

   i and friend patty will be there saturday mid morning thru sunday 
afternoon staying  near expo


She ll have her new purple platy and i will have one of my rivs  so looking 
fwd to it  and we d be up for dinner satdy anywhere


Can t reply to all from my phone  so just letting you know


Tom horton  salisbury md
On Monday, February 26, 2024 at 5:39:13 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> I’ll be there! I will be staying with a RivSister in a hotel close to the 
> Convention Center. Not sure which Platypus I’m bringing, but I’ll 
> definitely have one because I plan to do some of the featured rides during 
> the weekend. Let’s all connect!
> L
>
> On Monday, February 26, 2024 at 5:22:03 PM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:
>
>> https://phillybikeexpo.com/
>>
>> Lots of things to do--the expo, rides, parties, coffee and meet ups.
>>
>> I'm going.  Who else?  I'm within walking distance to the expo (but will 
>> be riding my Betty Foy there, because, well..., I should ride).  If anyone 
>> needs any local assistance, please reach out via DM.  
>>
>> There is free bike valet parking by Neighborhood Bike works, and 
>> donations accepted.  It's a great way to fund the community bike center.
>>
>> I hope to meet or see again lots of us happy Riv riders.
>>
>> Roberta
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne Pictures Thread

[Doug H.]

Who plans to buy a Sam Hillborne in May when they are due to arrive? And, I 
wonder what colors they will offer. This photo thread is fun to see. 
Doug

On Monday, February 26, 2024 at 6:24:11 PM UTC-5 John Rinker wrote:

> Great to see all these beautiful and functional Hillbornes. Although I 
> don't have one myself, I do think the Hillborne blue/grey is my favorite of 
> the Rivendell colors. 
>
> Cheers, John
>
> On Monday, February 26, 2024 at 1:17:36 PM UTC-8 Paul in Dallas wrote:
>
>> It is fun to see the variety of builds on the Sam's.
>>
>> It looks like the majority have some type of upright / swept back style 
>> handlebars
>> although of course the Sam is so versatile to accommodate a road bar if 
>> preferred .
>>
>> If recalling correctly I saw orange, silver, light blue , green, black 
>> and a yellow perhaps mustard like color Sam. (Not sure what Riv called it)
>>
>> Cool stuff.
>>
>> I'm enjoying the thread.
>>
>> Paul in Dallas 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Campeur Front Rack

[Matthew Rebmann]

Nitto's stuff is top notch but it's not *quite* what I'm looking for. That 
all being said, if I just can't find what I'm looking for then I'll likely 
end up buying the Nitto rack. I'm just stubborn and figure I might get 
lucky if I'm persistent lol. 

I particularly like the integrated decaleur the VO Campeur rack has, along 
with the mirror finish (rather than Nitto's satin nickel) and it'll match 
nicely either VO's Campeur rear rack which I intend on buying soon. I'm 
honestly pretty surprised they discontinued it. 

On Monday, February 26, 2024 at 5:04:48 PM UTC-5 DTL wrote:

> That one on Alex Cycles even has the detachable low riders, good find!
>
> On Tuesday, February 27, 2024 at 8:54:12 AM UTC+11 Nikko in Oakland wrote:
>
>> They were out of stock for a very long time, but if you want to pay full 
>> retail... 
>>
>> https://alexscycle.com/products/nitto-front-camping-carrier-for-randonneur-1
>>
>> On Monday, February 26, 2024 at 11:30:40 AM UTC-8 matthew...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I lied: Still trying lol. My build is nearly complete and this rack 
>>> would be the cherry on top
>>>
>>> On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 4:20:19 PM UTC-5 Matthew Rebmann wrote:
>>>
 One last try- including a picture for clarity~

 Looking for the discontinued Velo Orange Campeur Front Rack, *not the 
 Nitto Campee Front Rack* which has a different finish and lacks the 
 integrated decaleur.


 [image: Velo Orange Campeur Front Rack - Special Order only - 
 BMTBonline.com]

 On Sunday, January 7, 2024 at 11:44:49 AM UTC-5 Matthew Rebmann wrote:

> (Bump) Still on the look out for the Campeur Front Rack
>
> On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 11:28:03 AM UTC-5 Matthew Rebmann wrote:
>
>> I'm working on a Velo Orange Polyvalent Touring build and the 
>> discontinued front rack is exactly what I'm looking for. I'd go the 
>> Nitto 
>> Campee but I'm aiming for a matching set and I prefer the aesthetics of 
>> VO's racks for this build (Nitto also carries a hefty price, even though 
>> it's worth it!). Any help would be greatly appreciated :)
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Cantilevers or Direct Mount-Centerpulls

[Brent Knepper]

I have a bleriot with paul centerpulls and it clears 42s with fenders, or 
48s without, but I too would prefer it to have cantis! the pauls are my 
only centerpull experience, and though they stopped well I always observed 
a lot of squishiness at the lever as well- which I've since reduced a lot 
of that squish with beefier/more rigid cable hangers, linear brake housing 
with filed flat ends, and even shimming the housing to close up gaps the 
cable stops

I can now see the remaining squish is the actually the power of the brakes 
compressing brake pads a *lot. *that's pretty cool when ya think of the 
modulation aspect, but my other bike with cantis and 48s has just as much 
braking power without all tinkering ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ time saved on brake tinkering 
just went into drivetrain tinkering but hey waddayagonnado

-Brent shruggin in chicago

On Monday, February 26, 2024 at 3:06:12 PM UTC-6 kyleco...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey Christian thanks for all your thoughts! To answer a couple of your 
> questions:
>
> *Which CPs are you considering and what is your max tire size? *
> I was looking at the Rene Herse cps. I'd be looking to run 44's, but 42's 
> seem to be more intended for the Bleriot 
> . The Rene Herse are 
> for sure pricey, and I will be spending a bit as it is with the frame 
> builder mods. However, they state they have the clearance for 42s and 
> fenders. I have a pair of dia-compe canti's 
>  
> I love on another bicycle, so much so I put a pair on my girlfriend's 
> bicycle. On that note: @Patrick - I've gotten pretty comfy now at setting 
> up canti's with drop bars. Specifically the dia-comps. It's all about 
> getting that straddle wire set up in the right position. I have done it 
> poorly on other pairs of cantis and been called out by real mechanics haha.
>
> *Will you be using fenders? *
> Potentially. I see most of these tours happening in summer and hopefully 
> some that require a flight in the nearish future. I'd probably snag a pair 
> of SKS for easy mounting and peace of mind when flying. not so much of a 
> big deal if my plastic fenders get damaged instead of banging up a nice 
> pair of honjos!
>
> *Are you planning on mounting anything to the brake studs (racks, lights 
> etc)?*
> If I did canti's I would likely get a Nitto M12 and attach it to the 
> brakes. I do plan on having low rider pannier attachments put on for a 
> nitto s rack 
> 
> .
>
>
> Kyle
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 26, 2024 at 12:17 PM christian poppell  
> wrote:
>
>> Hey Kyle! 
>>
>> I have used cantilevers and direct mounted centerpulls (MAFAC RAID with 
>> new Rene Herse hardware). If I could do it over I would have installed 
>> cantilevers. The downsides for centerpulls for me are modulation, fender 
>> fitting, and braze on locations on the fork. 
>>
>> Modulation - The MAFAC RAID brakes feel more squishy to me, even after 
>> adding a brake booster to the rear. Also, despite my best efforts, I have 
>> not been able to eliminate the howling from the rear brake. I threw 
>> everything at them, new bushings, toe in washers, salmon pads, black 
>> compound pads, sanded and filed the pads, sanded the rims, rode and braked 
>> in the rain and in the dirt. Nothing has stopped the howl. 
>>
>> Fender fitting - There would be a lot more room to mount fenders and 
>> large tires with cantilevers. Honjo h80s rub on the inside of the 
>> centerpull arms. If you want to go above 42mm tire with fenders I would go 
>> cantilever.
>>
>> Post location on the fork - Not a deal breaker but the posts are mounted 
>> really close to the fork crown. Its more of an aesthetic thing for me. In 
>> fact, its probably better as it moves the posts into the HAZ of the fork 
>> crown/blade joint
>>
>> Brian Chapman has some of the best reference images for how large tires, 
>> large fenders, and direct mount centerpulls should look. 
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/chapmancycles/35900124245/in/photostream/
>>
>> Which CPs are you considering and what is your max tire size? Will you be 
>> using fenders? are you planning on mounting anything to the brake studs 
>> (racks, lights etc) ?
>>
>> Good Luck! 
>> Christian
>> Phoenix, AZ
>> On Monday, February 26, 2024 at 10:07:56 AM UTC-7 kyleco...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> good question. I would think the brakes would play a part, but the 
>>> previous owner was running paul center pulls and 48s - I don't think the 
>>> frame could take any larger. Seems to be part of our good fortune of people 
>>> making products around larger tires these days. 
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 26, 2024 at 1:50 AM iamkeith  wrote:
>>>
 Would you gain any tire/fender clearace advantage by choosing 
 cantilevers?  Or will the chainstays end up being the thing that 
 determines 
 max size?

Re: [RBW] Re: Cantilevers or Direct Mount-Centerpulls

[Brent Knepper]

I have a bleriot with paul centerpulls and it clears 42s with fenders, or 
48s without, but I too would prefer it to have cantis! the pauls are my 
only centerpull experience, and though they stopped well I always observed 
a lot of squishiness at the lever as well- which I've since reduced a lot 
of that squish with beefier/more rigid cable hangers, linear brake housing 
with filed flat ends, and even shimming the housing to close up gaps the 
cable stops

I can now see the remaining squish is the actually the power of the brakes 
compressing brake pads a *lot. *that's pretty cool when ya think of the 
modulation aspect, but my other bike with cantis and 48s has just as much 
braking power without all tinkering ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ time saved on brake tinkering 
just went into drivetrain tinkering but hey waddayagonnado
On Monday, February 26, 2024 at 3:06:12 PM UTC-6 kyleco...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey Christian thanks for all your thoughts! To answer a couple of your 
> questions:
>
> *Which CPs are you considering and what is your max tire size? *
> I was looking at the Rene Herse cps. I'd be looking to run 44's, but 42's 
> seem to be more intended for the Bleriot 
> . The Rene Herse are 
> for sure pricey, and I will be spending a bit as it is with the frame 
> builder mods. However, they state they have the clearance for 42s and 
> fenders. I have a pair of dia-compe canti's 
>  
> I love on another bicycle, so much so I put a pair on my girlfriend's 
> bicycle. On that note: @Patrick - I've gotten pretty comfy now at setting 
> up canti's with drop bars. Specifically the dia-comps. It's all about 
> getting that straddle wire set up in the right position. I have done it 
> poorly on other pairs of cantis and been called out by real mechanics haha.
>
> *Will you be using fenders? *
> Potentially. I see most of these tours happening in summer and hopefully 
> some that require a flight in the nearish future. I'd probably snag a pair 
> of SKS for easy mounting and peace of mind when flying. not so much of a 
> big deal if my plastic fenders get damaged instead of banging up a nice 
> pair of honjos!
>
> *Are you planning on mounting anything to the brake studs (racks, lights 
> etc)?*
> If I did canti's I would likely get a Nitto M12 and attach it to the 
> brakes. I do plan on having low rider pannier attachments put on for a 
> nitto s rack 
> 
> .
>
>
> Kyle
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 26, 2024 at 12:17 PM christian poppell  
> wrote:
>
>> Hey Kyle! 
>>
>> I have used cantilevers and direct mounted centerpulls (MAFAC RAID with 
>> new Rene Herse hardware). If I could do it over I would have installed 
>> cantilevers. The downsides for centerpulls for me are modulation, fender 
>> fitting, and braze on locations on the fork. 
>>
>> Modulation - The MAFAC RAID brakes feel more squishy to me, even after 
>> adding a brake booster to the rear. Also, despite my best efforts, I have 
>> not been able to eliminate the howling from the rear brake. I threw 
>> everything at them, new bushings, toe in washers, salmon pads, black 
>> compound pads, sanded and filed the pads, sanded the rims, rode and braked 
>> in the rain and in the dirt. Nothing has stopped the howl. 
>>
>> Fender fitting - There would be a lot more room to mount fenders and 
>> large tires with cantilevers. Honjo h80s rub on the inside of the 
>> centerpull arms. If you want to go above 42mm tire with fenders I would go 
>> cantilever.
>>
>> Post location on the fork - Not a deal breaker but the posts are mounted 
>> really close to the fork crown. Its more of an aesthetic thing for me. In 
>> fact, its probably better as it moves the posts into the HAZ of the fork 
>> crown/blade joint
>>
>> Brian Chapman has some of the best reference images for how large tires, 
>> large fenders, and direct mount centerpulls should look. 
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/chapmancycles/35900124245/in/photostream/
>>
>> Which CPs are you considering and what is your max tire size? Will you be 
>> using fenders? are you planning on mounting anything to the brake studs 
>> (racks, lights etc) ?
>>
>> Good Luck! 
>> Christian
>> Phoenix, AZ
>> On Monday, February 26, 2024 at 10:07:56 AM UTC-7 kyleco...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> good question. I would think the brakes would play a part, but the 
>>> previous owner was running paul center pulls and 48s - I don't think the 
>>> frame could take any larger. Seems to be part of our good fortune of people 
>>> making products around larger tires these days. 
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 26, 2024 at 1:50 AM iamkeith  wrote:
>>>
 Would you gain any tire/fender clearace advantage by choosing 
 cantilevers?  Or will the chainstays end up being the thing that 
 determines 
 max size?
 On Sunday, February 25, 

Re: [RBW] Stainless bottle/ cage recommendation

['William Watson' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I've settled on Nitto R cages and Bivo water bottles. I like this combo; no 
rattle yet. 

I have both the insulated and uninsulated bivos that I swap depending on 
weather. It's nice to not have ice cold water on cold days in Minneapolis. 

On Monday, February 26, 2024 at 6:24:22 AM UTC-6 brok...@gmail.com wrote:

> King Iris, Delta INOX, VO Touriste… all the same basic design but at 
> varying price points. Personally, I have the INOX cages on all my bikes. 
> They don’t have the shiny finish of the King, or VO versions. Most people 
> ask me if they are titanium, but they are just stainless.
>
> I use the Kleen Kanteen classic stainless bottles with them, and it looks 
> classy and doesn’t rattle.
> [image: image0.jpeg]
>
> On Feb 26, 2024, at 12:23 AM, Adam Moss  wrote:
>
> +1 for king cages and I’ve recently discovered Bivo water bottles. 
> They’re excellent and silent. 
>
>
>
> On Sunday, February 25, 2024 at 8:33:57 PM UTC-8 John Dewey wrote:
>
>> + 1 Iris. Simple, indestructible, elegant shape,
>>
>> Jock
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 25, 2024 at 8:07 PM John Rinker  wrote:
>>
>>> I've enjoyed the Iris King cages 
>>> .
>>>  
>>> Very secure and quite elegant looking.
>>> [image: Screen Shot 2024-02-25 at 8.06.35 PM.png]
>>> Cheers, John
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, February 25, 2024 at 7:52:55 PM UTC-8 campyo...@me.com wrote:
>>>
 These have worked well for me. Adjustable fit to keep the bottle firmly 
 in place.

 [image: cfff0946e78b4f4406f14619c8cbfea9.jpeg]

 Mojave Water Bottle Cage 
 
 velo-orange.com 
 
 
  

 --Eric Norris
 campyo...@me.com
 Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
 YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 

 On Feb 25, 2024, at 7:03 PM, Bernard Duhon  
 wrote:

 Mates, 
  
 I would like to migrate to a stainless water bottle.  Most folks with 
 em I noticed a rattle I could not tolerate.
  
 Recommendation for a rattle free stainless bottle & cage ( of any 
 composition)  
  

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[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne Pictures Thread

[John Rinker]

Great to see all these beautiful and functional Hillbornes. Although I 
don't have one myself, I do think the Hillborne blue/grey is my favorite of 
the Rivendell colors. 

Cheers, John

On Monday, February 26, 2024 at 1:17:36 PM UTC-8 Paul in Dallas wrote:

> It is fun to see the variety of builds on the Sam's.
>
> It looks like the majority have some type of upright / swept back style 
> handlebars
> although of course the Sam is so versatile to accommodate a road bar if 
> preferred .
>
> If recalling correctly I saw orange, silver, light blue , green, black and 
> a yellow perhaps mustard like color Sam. (Not sure what Riv called it)
>
> Cool stuff.
>
> I'm enjoying the thread.
>
> Paul in Dallas 
>

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Re: [RBW] Going really large on Clems

[Mackenzy Albright]

I've ridden a 59 clementine and "sized up" 64 clem jr. I would have been 
equally happy with both in terms of ride and fit. I don't feel reach (TT) 
is an issue with hillibikes given their headtube angle and design around 
sweptback bars. I'd be cautious sizing up if you want to run flat bars. 
Aesthetically the saddle was a bit low in the seattube on the 64 for some 
peoples tastes - but had no issue with leg rub etc. The main reason I kept 
the 59 and resold the 64 was: a really tall person (the previous owner with 
regret) wanted the 64 back if I decided it wasn't for me as well as I found 
the previous Clementine (59) to have a slightly more traditional handling 
feel which worked better for it's utiliarian commuter purpose as I often am 
lugging around weight on a porteur rack for work. For unloaded trails and 
general rides I would have slightly preferred the new gen 64. Both are 
incredible riding bikes. I can't imagine my life without a Clem. 
On Saturday, February 24, 2024 at 1:07:39 PM UTC-8 Johnny Alien wrote:

> My PBH generally puts me in the middle of sizes. Either at the top of one 
> range or bottom of the net. For a step thru/general use bike I would go 
> with the size up and for a road setup or diamond frame model I would size 
> down. That has always worked for me. I understand that Rivendell will 
> sometimes suggest massively sizing up on step thru frames but I have never 
> been comfortable that way and also just don't like the look of a slammed 
> stem and seatpost.
>
> On Saturday, February 24, 2024 at 3:41:09 PM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Yes! 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Feb 24, 2024, at 2:38 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Isn't Grant's intention with these very long reaches to the bar, to allow 
>> bars with long sweepback on a stem of reasonable length and with a lot of 
>> rise?
>>
>> In my own case, with short arms and long torso and a drop bar level with 
>> or below saddle, I need a very undersquare frame (60 X 56 c-c is perfect) 
>> for a level top tube; of courses, if I were to use a non-drop bar with a 
>> lot of sweepback, things could be different.
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 11:23 AM Josh C  wrote:
>>
>>> I could fit on anything between 59-64cm with the low top tube but I'd 
>>> pick the 59 just to keep the overall length down. These bikes are already 
>>> crazy long, I don't want to make it longer unnecessarily, a 64 clem is like 
>>> riding an 80s Lincoln Towncar. I don't understand the draw of sizing up. 
>>
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[RBW] Re: Has anyone else tried the new Riv seat?

[Mackenzy Albright]

Bumping this thread! 

I just made an order from Blue Lug and noticed they had them in stock. I 
decided to give it a try since saddles are always a thing and my brooks are 
all getting quite old and stretched. Now that the seat has been out for a 
few months I am curious how ya'll are feeling about it given more saddle 
time. 

On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 8:24:54 AM UTC-8 Chris K wrote:

> Chris - I wanna say my Ergon saddle is the SR Allroad Comp. Nice basic 
> saddle.
>
> On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 7:58:55 AM UTC-7 Steven Seelig wrote:
>
>> I replaced a Brooks Flyer Curved on my Xtracycle now Bafang E-bike that 
>> is about as upright as it gets.  Agree that at first I wasn't sure where 
>> this part of my sit bone connected to that part of the saddle.  After a few 
>> more rides, I simply forgot it was on the bike at all.  Given that with 
>> e-bikes you are constantly shifting the assist and the 9 speed derailleur 
>> to hit the perfect sweet spot, and I ride in City traffic, perhaps I was 
>> not as in-tune as i would be on a quiet country road.  I prefer it to the 
>> Brooks and don't miss the absence of the spring in the least.  
>>
>> My experience is likely comparing persimmons to cumquats for someone 
>> riding unupright on an analog bike.
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 5, 2023 at 1:53:12 PM UTC-5 Tom Wyland wrote:
>>
>> I have it on my Platy currently. It replaced a Selle Anatomica H2 (at 
>> least for the winter). The SA was a tad too narrow since I swapped to 
>> slighly more upright bars. I haven't yet decided if the Riv saddle is too 
>> wide (by 1-2cm).  I don't really care for the wide nose of the Riv saddle, 
>> but I suppose I'll get used to it. I do like the flat shape and the amount 
>> of padding (minimal). It's good for a more upright ride due to the width.  
>> I may use it on my wife's bike to swap out the Bontrager commuter saddle 
>> (wide).  When viewed from the side, the Bontrager commuter saddle has 
>> shoulders that slope down where the Riv saddle is a flat profile. We both 
>> prefer saddles that have a flat profile.  I've also ridden a VO wide 
>> touring saddle and the Riv saddle is wider both in the nose and the rear.
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Philadelphia Bike Expo March 16 - 17

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

I’ll be there! I will be staying with a RivSister in a hotel close to the 
Convention Center. Not sure which Platypus I’m bringing, but I’ll 
definitely have one because I plan to do some of the featured rides during 
the weekend. Let’s all connect!
L

On Monday, February 26, 2024 at 5:22:03 PM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:

> https://phillybikeexpo.com/
>
> Lots of things to do--the expo, rides, parties, coffee and meet ups.
>
> I'm going.  Who else?  I'm within walking distance to the expo (but will 
> be riding my Betty Foy there, because, well..., I should ride).  If anyone 
> needs any local assistance, please reach out via DM.  
>
> There is free bike valet parking by Neighborhood Bike works, and donations 
> accepted.  It's a great way to fund the community bike center.
>
> I hope to meet or see again lots of us happy Riv riders.
>
> Roberta
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[RBW] Philadelphia Bike Expo March 16 - 17

[Roberta]

https://phillybikeexpo.com/

Lots of things to do--the expo, rides, parties, coffee and meet ups.

I'm going.  Who else?  I'm within walking distance to the expo (but will be 
riding my Betty Foy there, because, well..., I should ride).  If anyone 
needs any local assistance, please reach out via DM.  

There is free bike valet parking by Neighborhood Bike works, and donations 
accepted.  It's a great way to fund the community bike center.

I hope to meet or see again lots of us happy Riv riders.

Roberta

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Campeur Front Rack

[DTL]

That one on Alex Cycles even has the detachable low riders, good find!

On Tuesday, February 27, 2024 at 8:54:12 AM UTC+11 Nikko in Oakland wrote:

> They were out of stock for a very long time, but if you want to pay full 
> retail... 
>
> https://alexscycle.com/products/nitto-front-camping-carrier-for-randonneur-1
>
> On Monday, February 26, 2024 at 11:30:40 AM UTC-8 matthew...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I lied: Still trying lol. My build is nearly complete and this rack would 
>> be the cherry on top
>>
>> On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 4:20:19 PM UTC-5 Matthew Rebmann wrote:
>>
>>> One last try- including a picture for clarity~
>>>
>>> Looking for the discontinued Velo Orange Campeur Front Rack, *not the 
>>> Nitto Campee Front Rack* which has a different finish and lacks the 
>>> integrated decaleur.
>>>
>>>
>>> [image: Velo Orange Campeur Front Rack - Special Order only - 
>>> BMTBonline.com]
>>>
>>> On Sunday, January 7, 2024 at 11:44:49 AM UTC-5 Matthew Rebmann wrote:
>>>
 (Bump) Still on the look out for the Campeur Front Rack

 On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 11:28:03 AM UTC-5 Matthew Rebmann wrote:

> I'm working on a Velo Orange Polyvalent Touring build and the 
> discontinued front rack is exactly what I'm looking for. I'd go the Nitto 
> Campee but I'm aiming for a matching set and I prefer the aesthetics of 
> VO's racks for this build (Nitto also carries a hefty price, even though 
> it's worth it!). Any help would be greatly appreciated :)



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[RBW] Re: WTB: Campeur Front Rack

[Nikko in Oakland]

They were out of stock for a very long time, but if you want to pay full 
retail... 
https://alexscycle.com/products/nitto-front-camping-carrier-for-randonneur-1

On Monday, February 26, 2024 at 11:30:40 AM UTC-8 matthew...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> I lied: Still trying lol. My build is nearly complete and this rack would 
> be the cherry on top
>
> On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 4:20:19 PM UTC-5 Matthew Rebmann wrote:
>
>> One last try- including a picture for clarity~
>>
>> Looking for the discontinued Velo Orange Campeur Front Rack, *not the 
>> Nitto Campee Front Rack* which has a different finish and lacks the 
>> integrated decaleur.
>>
>>
>> [image: Velo Orange Campeur Front Rack - Special Order only - 
>> BMTBonline.com]
>>
>> On Sunday, January 7, 2024 at 11:44:49 AM UTC-5 Matthew Rebmann wrote:
>>
>>> (Bump) Still on the look out for the Campeur Front Rack
>>>
>>> On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 11:28:03 AM UTC-5 Matthew Rebmann wrote:
>>>
 I'm working on a Velo Orange Polyvalent Touring build and the 
 discontinued front rack is exactly what I'm looking for. I'd go the Nitto 
 Campee but I'm aiming for a matching set and I prefer the aesthetics of 
 VO's racks for this build (Nitto also carries a hefty price, even though 
 it's worth it!). Any help would be greatly appreciated :)
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Sam Hillborne Pictures Thread

[st nick]

It is fun to see the variety of builds on the Sam's.
It looks like the majority have some type of upright / swept back style 
handlebarsalthough of course the Sam is so versatile to accommodate a road bar 
if preferred .
If recalling correctly I saw orange, silver, light blue , green, black and a 
yellow perhaps mustard like color Sam. (Not sure what Riv called it)
Cool stuff.
I'm enjoying the thread.
Paul in Dallas 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Cantilevers or Direct Mount-Centerpulls

[Kyle Cotchett]

Hey Christian thanks for all your thoughts! To answer a couple of your
questions:

*Which CPs are you considering and what is your max tire size? *
I was looking at the Rene Herse cps. I'd be looking to run 44's, but 42's
seem to be more intended for the Bleriot
. The Rene Herse are
for sure pricey, and I will be spending a bit as it is with the frame
builder mods. However, they state they have the clearance for 42s and
fenders. I have a pair of dia-compe canti's

I love on another bicycle, so much so I put a pair on my girlfriend's
bicycle. On that note: @Patrick - I've gotten pretty comfy now at setting
up canti's with drop bars. Specifically the dia-comps. It's all about
getting that straddle wire set up in the right position. I have done it
poorly on other pairs of cantis and been called out by real mechanics haha.

*Will you be using fenders? *
Potentially. I see most of these tours happening in summer and hopefully
some that require a flight in the nearish future. I'd probably snag a pair
of SKS for easy mounting and peace of mind when flying. not so much of a
big deal if my plastic fenders get damaged instead of banging up a nice
pair of honjos!

*Are you planning on mounting anything to the brake studs (racks, lights
etc)?*
If I did canti's I would likely get a Nitto M12 and attach it to the
brakes. I do plan on having low rider pannier attachments put on for a
nitto s rack

.


Kyle



On Mon, Feb 26, 2024 at 12:17 PM christian poppell 
wrote:

> Hey Kyle!
>
> I have used cantilevers and direct mounted centerpulls (MAFAC RAID with
> new Rene Herse hardware). If I could do it over I would have installed
> cantilevers. The downsides for centerpulls for me are modulation, fender
> fitting, and braze on locations on the fork.
>
> Modulation - The MAFAC RAID brakes feel more squishy to me, even after
> adding a brake booster to the rear. Also, despite my best efforts, I have
> not been able to eliminate the howling from the rear brake. I threw
> everything at them, new bushings, toe in washers, salmon pads, black
> compound pads, sanded and filed the pads, sanded the rims, rode and braked
> in the rain and in the dirt. Nothing has stopped the howl.
>
> Fender fitting - There would be a lot more room to mount fenders and large
> tires with cantilevers. Honjo h80s rub on the inside of the centerpull
> arms. If you want to go above 42mm tire with fenders I would go cantilever.
>
> Post location on the fork - Not a deal breaker but the posts are mounted
> really close to the fork crown. Its more of an aesthetic thing for me. In
> fact, its probably better as it moves the posts into the HAZ of the fork
> crown/blade joint
>
> Brian Chapman has some of the best reference images for how large tires,
> large fenders, and direct mount centerpulls should look.
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/chapmancycles/35900124245/in/photostream/
>
> Which CPs are you considering and what is your max tire size? Will you be
> using fenders? are you planning on mounting anything to the brake studs
> (racks, lights etc) ?
>
> Good Luck!
> Christian
> Phoenix, AZ
> On Monday, February 26, 2024 at 10:07:56 AM UTC-7 kyleco...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> good question. I would think the brakes would play a part, but the
>> previous owner was running paul center pulls and 48s - I don't think the
>> frame could take any larger. Seems to be part of our good fortune of people
>> making products around larger tires these days.
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 26, 2024 at 1:50 AM iamkeith  wrote:
>>
>>> Would you gain any tire/fender clearace advantage by choosing
>>> cantilevers?  Or will the chainstays end up being the thing that determines
>>> max size?
>>> On Sunday, February 25, 2024 at 1:05:38 PM UTC-7 kyleco...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hey all,

 Just swooped up an old bleriot that I am going to be bringing to a
 local frame builder to do some mods to for racks and mounted brakes. I am
 looking to set this one up as a touring bike and torn between having
 cantilever or centerpull brake posts installed. Any thoughts from folks who
 have ridden both?

 Kyle

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Re: [RBW] Spring FS Post - Cranks, BB, Seatpost, Handlebars, Nitto Rack, Wool

[Michael Ullmer]

All sold, thanks all.

On Saturday, February 24, 2024 at 6:18:27 PM UTC-6 Michael Ullmer wrote:

> All sold except the Nitto R-14
>
> On Friday, February 23, 2024 at 10:43:14 AM UTC-6 Michael Ullmer wrote:
>
>> IRD BB is sold, open to offers on remaining items.
>>
>> On Thursday, February 22, 2024 at 11:33:58 AM UTC-6 Michael Ullmer wrote:
>>
>>> Update with sold items and price drops:
>>>
>>> 1) Tange IRD QB-95 68x122 Square Taper BB - $45
>>> --Tange's top of line square taper bb. This was on my Fitz, no longer 
>>> need though. Still buttery smooth.
>>>
>>> 2) Nitto Mustache RM-016N Handlebars - $30
>>> --Nitto Mustache RM-016N Heat Treated  Aluminium Handlebars. 26.0 Clamp. 
>>> Some tape residue, but good shape otherwise.
>>>
>>> 3) Thomson Masterpiece 27.2 Silver - 220mm - $35
>>> --Cut down to 22cm overall. The straight section of the post is about 
>>> 10cm. I used this on my Fitz Rando that has an integrated seat tube light 
>>> and needed a short seatpost to avoid hitting the wire inside the seat tube.
>>>
>>> 4) Deore XT FC-6206 Silver Square Taper Cranks 170mm with Shimano 122.5 
>>> BB - $50
>>> --This was on a Trek 520 my uncle gave to me. I ran as a single on a 
>>> different vintage Trek, but can be set up double or triple with spacers. 
>>> 110/74 BCD. Comes with the original cup/cone BB. No Chainrings. 
>>>
>>> 5) Patagonia Mens Medium Fisherman Sweater Blue - SOLD
>>> --100% wool. Beautiful deep blue color, very warm. I'm wearing my 
>>> Woolywarm sweater a lot more these days and want to pass this on. See pics 
>>> for measurements.
>>>
>>> 6) Patagonia Mens Long-Sleeved Recycled Wool Shirt - SOLD
>>> --60% recycled wool, 30% recycled poly, 10% recycled nylon. I have a 
>>> couple of these and am just downsizing. Great shape. It's a deep blue color 
>>> with yellow/red striping.
>>>
>>> 7) Nitto R-14 Rear Rack - $90
>>> --Comes with all hardware and struts. Would also trade for a Marks Rack.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, February 20, 2024 at 8:15:57 AM UTC-6 rmro...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 PM sent on bottom bracket.
 Sent from my iPhone

 On Feb 20, 2024, at 8:11 AM, Mike Ullmer  wrote:

 

 Continuing to clean out the unnecessaries. All prices don't include 
 shipping, but will be shipped via Pirateship:

 1) Tange IRD QB-95 68x122 Square Taper BB - $50
 --Tange's top of line square taper bb. This was on my Fitz, no longer 
 need though. Still buttery smooth.

 2) Nitto Mustache RM-016N Handlebars - $35
 --Nitto Mustache RM-016N Heat Treated  Aluminium Handlebars. 26.0 
 Clamp. Some tape residue, but good shape otherwise. 

 3) Thomson Masterpiece 27.2 Silver - 220mm - $40
 --Cut down to 22cm overall. The straight section of the post is about 
 10cm. I used this on my Fitz Rando that has an integrated seat tube light 
 and needed a short seatpost to avoid hitting the wire inside the seat tube.

 4) Deore XT FC-6206 Silver Square Taper Cranks 170mm with Shimano 122.5 
 BB - $60
 --This was on a Trek 520 my uncle gave to me. I ran as a single on a 
 different vintage Trek, but can be set up double or triple with spacers. 
 110/74 BCD. Comes with the original cup/cone BB. No Chainrings. 

 5) Patagonia Mens Medium Fisherman Sweater Blue - $50
 --100% wool. Beautiful deep blue color, very warm. I'm wearing my 
 Woolywarm sweater a lot more these days and want to pass this on. See pics 
 for measurements.

 6) Patagonia Mens Long-Sleeved Recycled Wool Shirt - $50
 --60% recycled wool, 30% recycled poly, 10% recycled nylon. I have a 
 couple of these and am just downsizing. Great shape. It's a deep blue 
 color 
 with yellow/red striping.

 7) Nitto R-14 Rear Rack - $100
 --Comes with all hardware and struts. Would also trade for a Marks Rack.

 Pics here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/KxSdnsek27UuM9Ka8

 Mike in Minneapolis


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Re: [RBW] Digest for rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com - 22 updates in 11 topics

[Rich Lesnik]

Regarding 26" touring tires, my favorite is the Schwalbe Marathon "Racer".

Rich Lesnik



On Mon, Feb 26, 2024 at 5:49 AM  wrote:

> rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
> 
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> 
>
>- Wheels, $200 <#m_7640522509275089700_group_thread_0> - 1 Update
>- Stainless bottle/ cage recommendation
><#m_7640522509275089700_group_thread_1> - 6 Updates
>- FS: Clem 45cm & Rosco Platypus 50cm Framesets
><#m_7640522509275089700_group_thread_2> - 1 Update
>- Cantilevers or Direct Mount-Centerpulls
><#m_7640522509275089700_group_thread_3> - 2 Updates
>- Northern Hemisphere Winter 2023-2024 Ride Photos
><#m_7640522509275089700_group_thread_4> - 4 Updates
>- Yet another tired question... <#m_7640522509275089700_group_thread_5>
>- 2 Updates
>- WTB: Sam Hillborne 54/55 <#m_7640522509275089700_group_thread_6> - 2
>Updates
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>Update
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>
> Wheels, $200
> 
> alan lavine : Feb 26 05:11AM -0800
>
> Any interest if I cover the shipping?
> Alan
>
> On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 11:36:47 AM UTC-5 alan lavine wrote:
>
> Back to top <#m_7640522509275089700_digest_top>
> Stainless bottle/ cage recommendation
> 
> Bernard Duhon : Feb 26 03:03AM
>
> Mates,
>
> I would like to migrate to a stainless water bottle. Most folks with em I
> noticed a rattle I could not tolerate.
>
> Recommendation for a rattle free stainless bottle & cage ( of any
> composition)
> Eric Norris : Feb 25 07:52PM -0800
>
> These have worked well for me. Adjustable fit to keep the bottle firmly in
> place.
>
> https://velo-orange.com/collections/cages/products/mojave-cage
> Mojave Water Bottle Cage
> velo-orange.com
>
>
> --Eric Norris
> campyonly...@me.com
> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy
>
> John Rinker : Feb 25 08:07PM -0800
>
> I've enjoyed the Iris King cages
> <
> https://kingcage.com/en-ca/collections/water-bottle-cages/products/iris-king-cage>.
>
> Very secure and quite elegant looking.
> [image: Screen Shot 2024-02-25 at 8.06.35 PM.png]
> Cheers, John
>
>
> John Dewey : Feb 25 08:33PM -0800
>
> + 1 Iris. Simple, indestructible, elegant shape,
>
> Jock
>
> Adam Moss : Feb 25 09:23PM -0800
>
> +1 for king cages and I’ve recently discovered Bivo water bottles. They’re
> excellent and silent.
>
> On Sunday, February 25, 2024 at 8:33:57 PM UTC-8 John Dewey wrote:
>
> Brian Turner : Feb 26 07:24AM -0500
>
> King Iris, Delta INOX, VO Touriste… all the same basic design but at
> varying price points. Personally, I have the INOX cages on all my bikes.
> They don't have the shiny finish of the King, or VO versions. Most people
> ask me if they are titanium, but they are just stainless.
>
> I use the Kleen Kanteen classic stainless bottles with them, and it looks
> classy and doesn't rattle.
>
> image0.jpeg
>
> On Feb 26, 2024, at 12:23 AM, Adam Moss  wrote:
>
> +1 for king cages and I've recently discovered Bivo water bottles.
> They're excellent and silent.
>
> On Sunday, February 25, 2024 at 8:33:57 PM UTC-8 John Dewey wrote:
>
> + 1 Iris. Simple, indestructible, elegant shape,
>
> Jock
>
> On Sun, Feb 25, 2024 at 8:07 PM John Rinker  wrote:
>
> I've enjoyed the Iris King cages. Very secure and quite elegant looking.
>
> Screen Shot 2024-02-25 at 8.06.35 PM.png
>
> Cheers, John
>
> On Sunday, February 25, 2024 at 7:52:55 PM UTC-8 campyo...@me.com wrote:
>
> These have worked well for me. Adjustable fit to keep the bottle firmly in
> place.
>
> cfff0946e78b4f4406f14619c8cbfea9.jpeg
>
> Mojave Water Bottle Cage
>
> velo-orange.com
>
> --Eric Norris
>
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>
> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
>
> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy
>
> On Feb 25, 2024, at 7:03 PM, Bernard Duhon 
> wrote:
>
> Mates,
>
> I would like to migrate to a stainless water bottle. Most folks with em I
> noticed a rattle I could not tolerate.
>
> Recommendation for a rattle free stainless bottle & cage ( of any
> composition)
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Re: [RBW] Re: Cantilevers or Direct Mount-Centerpulls

[christian poppell]

Hey Kyle! 

I have used cantilevers and direct mounted centerpulls (MAFAC RAID with new 
Rene Herse hardware). If I could do it over I would have installed 
cantilevers. The downsides for centerpulls for me are modulation, fender 
fitting, and braze on locations on the fork. 

Modulation - The MAFAC RAID brakes feel more squishy to me, even after 
adding a brake booster to the rear. Also, despite my best efforts, I have 
not been able to eliminate the howling from the rear brake. I threw 
everything at them, new bushings, toe in washers, salmon pads, black 
compound pads, sanded and filed the pads, sanded the rims, rode and braked 
in the rain and in the dirt. Nothing has stopped the howl. 

Fender fitting - There would be a lot more room to mount fenders and large 
tires with cantilevers. Honjo h80s rub on the inside of the centerpull 
arms. If you want to go above 42mm tire with fenders I would go cantilever.

Post location on the fork - Not a deal breaker but the posts are mounted 
really close to the fork crown. Its more of an aesthetic thing for me. In 
fact, its probably better as it moves the posts into the HAZ of the fork 
crown/blade joint

Brian Chapman has some of the best reference images for how large tires, 
large fenders, and direct mount centerpulls should 
look. https://www.flickr.com/photos/chapmancycles/35900124245/in/photostream/

Which CPs are you considering and what is your max tire size? Will you be 
using fenders? are you planning on mounting anything to the brake studs 
(racks, lights etc) ?

Good Luck! 
Christian
Phoenix, AZ
On Monday, February 26, 2024 at 10:07:56 AM UTC-7 kyleco...@gmail.com wrote:

> good question. I would think the brakes would play a part, but the 
> previous owner was running paul center pulls and 48s - I don't think the 
> frame could take any larger. Seems to be part of our good fortune of people 
> making products around larger tires these days. 
>
> On Mon, Feb 26, 2024 at 1:50 AM iamkeith  wrote:
>
>> Would you gain any tire/fender clearace advantage by choosing 
>> cantilevers?  Or will the chainstays end up being the thing that determines 
>> max size?
>> On Sunday, February 25, 2024 at 1:05:38 PM UTC-7 kyleco...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey all,
>>>
>>> Just swooped up an old bleriot that I am going to be bringing to a local 
>>> frame builder to do some mods to for racks and mounted brakes. I am looking 
>>> to set this one up as a touring bike and torn between having cantilever or 
>>> centerpull brake posts installed. Any thoughts from folks who have ridden 
>>> both?
>>>
>>> Kyle
>>>
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[RBW] Re: WTB: Campeur Front Rack

[Matthew Rebmann]

I lied: Still trying lol. My build is nearly complete and this rack would 
be the cherry on top

On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 4:20:19 PM UTC-5 Matthew Rebmann wrote:

> One last try- including a picture for clarity~
>
> Looking for the discontinued Velo Orange Campeur Front Rack, *not the 
> Nitto Campee Front Rack* which has a different finish and lacks the 
> integrated decaleur.
>
>
> [image: Velo Orange Campeur Front Rack - Special Order only - 
> BMTBonline.com]
>
> On Sunday, January 7, 2024 at 11:44:49 AM UTC-5 Matthew Rebmann wrote:
>
>> (Bump) Still on the look out for the Campeur Front Rack
>>
>> On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 11:28:03 AM UTC-5 Matthew Rebmann wrote:
>>
>>> I'm working on a Velo Orange Polyvalent Touring build and the 
>>> discontinued front rack is exactly what I'm looking for. I'd go the Nitto 
>>> Campee but I'm aiming for a matching set and I prefer the aesthetics of 
>>> VO's racks for this build (Nitto also carries a hefty price, even though 
>>> it's worth it!). Any help would be greatly appreciated :)
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: 700c Mavic/XT Wheelset 100/135

[Dave Grossman]

SOLD

On Monday, February 26, 2024 at 10:01:28 AM UTC-6 Dave Grossman wrote:

> Bump and a price drop
>
> $225 Shipped
> $175 Chicago Area Sale
>
> On Tuesday, February 13, 2024 at 2:20:02 PM UTC-6 Dave Grossman wrote:
>
>> Thanks Mike.  I'm always a "how are the bearings and true" question guy 
>> so I figured I'd help with that!
>>
>> On Tuesday, February 13, 2024 at 11:57:34 AM UTC-6 Mike Godwin wrote:
>>
>>> David, great idea with the spinning video.
>>> Mike "no need for another wheelset against the wall" in SLO CA
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, February 13, 2024 at 6:15:57 AM UTC-8 Dave Grossman wrote:
>>>
 I rode on these hoops on my Homer.  I sold the Homer and saved them as 
 a backup for my Hunq but haven't used them since and it is time to move 
 them on.

 700c
 100/135
 Mavic 117 Rims
 XT M770 Hubs
 All Silver!
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Re: [RBW] Re: Cantilevers or Direct Mount-Centerpulls

[Kyle Cotchett]

good question. I would think the brakes would play a part, but the previous
owner was running paul center pulls and 48s - I don't think the frame could
take any larger. Seems to be part of our good fortune of people making
products around larger tires these days.

On Mon, Feb 26, 2024 at 1:50 AM iamkeith  wrote:

> Would you gain any tire/fender clearace advantage by choosing
> cantilevers?  Or will the chainstays end up being the thing that determines
> max size?
> On Sunday, February 25, 2024 at 1:05:38 PM UTC-7 kyleco...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> Hey all,
>>
>> Just swooped up an old bleriot that I am going to be bringing to a local
>> frame builder to do some mods to for racks and mounted brakes. I am looking
>> to set this one up as a touring bike and torn between having cantilever or
>> centerpull brake posts installed. Any thoughts from folks who have ridden
>> both?
>>
>> Kyle
>>
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Re: [RBW] New bike decision (help!)

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks. Jones said he'd email me that OW of the chainstays at the
end-of-cranks position but never did. But research indicates that current
models won't give me the required 160 mm or lower Q and, in fact, after
much measurement and calculation the arithmetical evidence convinced me
that my quadruple goals -- 700C with true 3" width, 160 mm max Q, stays of
non-absured length, and sufficient air between outside knobs and inside
chainstays -- would be possible only with very carefully massaged plate
yoke between bb and chainstays. In the event, for now, I decided that I
don't need the hassle of another custom, and I chose instead to get a
fatter (compared to current 50 mm Soma SV) sandy path wheelset for the
Matthews #1.

As to the Gus, I'm sure it won't take a 622X76 tire, but I still wonder (a)
how fat a tire will it take and, (b) what the *minimum *Q is.

On Sun, Feb 25, 2024 at 7:30 AM Garth  wrote:

>
> Patrick,
>
> The Jones frame is made with a Boost 148 rear spacing which calls for a
> 51-53mm chainline. What this does is move the cassette 3mm further away
> from center. This is done for better tire and FD clearance. When I was
> looking at Jones frames, I read all this and while on the surface it seems
> one would be limited to using boost specific cranks, the obvious question
> arises . what's the difference between a boost crank and it's 51-53mm
> chainline and running a triple crank with either just the outer ring as a
> 1x, as long as you're in the 51-53mm chainline range ? Or, use the triple
> as a 2x with the chainline measured between the rings, given the proper
> length spindle ?  As far as the function, given the same chainlines, there
> is no difference, a 52mm chainline is a 52mm chainline. I see the potential
> issue though would be in using a road crank, to get the chainline out that
> far enough and the arms clearing the stays. This would require an
> appropriate length spindle, and if you're saying say, straight arm cranks,
> you may need a long-er spindle, which of course increases the tread width
> of the crank.
>
> So the first thing to know is the width of the stays where the crank arms
> go.
>
> All that said, Shimano does make a 52mm chainline XTR crank with a 162mm
> tread width, but doesn't list an inside arm width.  Otherwise there are
> lots of boost compatible cranks that are 168mm wide.
> https://bike.shimano.com/en-US/product/component/xtr-m9100/FC-M9100-1.html
> .
>
> I'm not sure how wide the Jones crank or how much clearance there is.
> Someone with a LWB would have to measure theirs.
>
> Also the White Industries Road.VBC crank w/121mm bb = 158mm tread width,
> 51.5mm chainline as a 1X, 47.5mm as a 2X. This might be too narrow to clear
> the stays though, see the specs, plus the measurement of the given frame.
> https://www.whiteind.com/product/square-taper-road-cranks/
>
> https://www.whiteind.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/Squaretapercrankdimensionsimage.jpg
>
> All in all that's the first hurdle to clear, the chainstay width for the
> cranks. Then go from there.
>
>
> As for a new frame for Gregger, I can't say what would work for you as my
> perspective is inherently biased from my own sensibilities.
> On Saturday, February 24, 2024 at 11:29:27 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> This is very interesting; I thought all Riv models except the various
>> road models were "country bikes" but to hear the Gus compared to a Jones
>> would seem to be high praise, from what I read about the Jones (it's one of
>> Bike Snob's keepers in his current bike purge).
>>
>> I just gave away my sole mountain bike -- the much modified Monocog 29er
>> -- in favor of a fatter-tire second wheelset for my Matthews "road bike for
>> dirt,"  but I'll have to consider a Gus if I ever decide to get another
>> mtb. Question: Can you get a =/< 160 mm Q with a Gus? What kept me from
>> getting a Jones was the >160 mm Q.
>>
>> Patrick Moore, also closing in very rapidly on 69, in ABQ, NM.
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 1:57 PM Richard Rose  wrote:
>>
>>> I’ve not ridden a Platypus but I’ve yet to hear it described as a trail
>>> bike. Love, love, love my Clem on & off road but if things get dicey it’s a
>>> bit overwhelmed with the lower bottom bracket - compared to my Gus. The Gus
>>> or the new Susie (get one! Run do not walk!) are singletrack machines. Yes
>>> they are good for other duties as well but are conceived & built to be
>>> mountain bikes. I am blown away by it on rough, rooty & slightly rocky
>>> singletrack. It is every bit the mountain bike that a Jones is (I had one)
>>> which is of course highly regarded in that category. I’ve yet to experience
>>> a pedal strike on the Gus. I’ve had quite a few on the Clem. And I am
>>> pretty decent at avoiding them if I do say so. So, IMHO if what you are
>>> looking for is a singletrack bike get the new Susie or try to find a
>>> leftover one/Gus.
>>> FWIW, I am closing on 69 years old & have ditched my full suspension
>>> bike in 

Re: [RBW] Cantilevers or Direct Mount-Centerpulls

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks; so just long-term and successful experience.

Aside: If you were to share ride photos from Portugal, I doubt people would
complain.

On Mon, Feb 26, 2024 at 12:48 AM Steven Sweedler  wrote:

> Patrick, when I sold a Raleigh International frame more than a decade ago,
> I committed to cantis only. The centerpulls on the Int. were not confidence
> inspiring on some of my local steep descents. I used Tektro 720’s, Paul Neo
> Retros and Shimano BR MC 70s. I haveused the MC 70s on at least 10 bikes
> for myself and friends and am very satidfied. The large KS pads last a few
> years and I get quiet strong braking. For the past few weeks I have been
> riding  some very steep dirt tracks  here in SW Portugal and had no issues.
> I bought a decent supply before prices crept up and have little interest in
> trying something else. An all too common attitude I adopt. I did switch to
> the shorter KS pads so the front brake opens all the way without hitting
> the fork blades.
>
> Steven Sweedler
> Plymouth, New Hampshire
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 25, 2024 at 8:57 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> Steven: I'm curious about your reasons. I'm not contradicting, just
>> asking because I'd like to know any secrets for setting up cantilevers
>> properly. In fact, among the best brakes all around that I ever used --
>> mixing power and modulation and "feel" -- were IRD long-arms set up with
>> salmons on my 2010 Sam Hill, but then the Riv staff installed and adjusted
>> those. Drop bar levers. Me, I've never been able to get more than
>> "acceptable" braking with cantis of any sort and drop bar levers.
>>
>> I had my 2020 Matthews built for cantilevers in order to clear 42 mm
>> tires with fenders, but I sometimes wonder if I would not have done better
>> to have had pivots added for centerpulls which, IME, are much easier to set
>> up and which (again, IME), stop more "powerfully."
>>
>> At first I used Tektro CR 720s; I got rid of the violent squeal and
>> shudder by radical pad toe-in, and after that they were "acceptable." I
>> replaced those with Pauls which allowed a more normal toe-in without squeal
>> or shudder and which were perhaps a wee bit stronger. Most recently I
>> swapped out the steel Shimano headset mount housing stop in the front for a
>> much more expensive RH one, and that did improve front braking "strength."
>> Now the brakes are "quite adequate" but not as good as good single pivots
>> or the backing-plate centerpulls I've used -- Mafacs, Weinmanns, Tourneys,
>> Dura Ace.* And among the worst brakes I ever had were the Mafac cantilevers
>> (even tried the longer-arm tandem model on the front) on an old Herse --
>> despite salmon pads and a lot of time fiddling with cable angles.
>>
>> So, please explain the reason for your preference, and let us know of any
>> secrets for setting up cantilvers for optimum performance. Perhaps you have
>> in mind cantilevers with "flat bar" levers?
>>
>> Again: Not arguing! Seeking knowledge!
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> * I was told -- Olof Stroh, were did you go? -- that Shimano made Dura
>> Ace centerpulls for about 6 months in 1976, and I owned a pair. Someone had
>> hand polished them to a Rene Herse-like gleam, but they didn't work any
>> better than the Tourneys; both worked "well" but not "exceptionally well."
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 25, 2024 at 1:08 PM Steven Sweedler 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> My vote is for cantilevers
>>>
>>> Steven Sweedler
>>> Plymouth, New Hampshire
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Feb 25, 2024 at 8:05 PM Kyle Cotchett 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hey all,

 Just swooped up an old bleriot that I am going to be bringing to a
 local frame builder to do some mods to for racks and mounted brakes. I am
 looking to set this one up as a touring bike and torn between having
 cantilever or centerpull brake posts installed. Any thoughts from folks who
 have ridden both?

 Kyle

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Re: [RBW] WTB 650B Dynamo Wheel & Question About Alex Rims

[tio ryan]

I appreciate that info, Josh! I'm in a similar situation with my Platypus — 
I'd like to add a dynamo, but I don't necessarily want to have mismatched 
rims, nor do I want my original front wheel just hanging on the wall. I had 
no idea what it'd cost to have the hub swapped on the existing wheel. 

On Saturday, February 24, 2024 at 1:14:37 PM UTC-5 Josh C wrote:

> Maybe just have someone lace a dyno hub into that existing wheel. I just 
> did this for my wife's platy and, other than buying a dyno hub, the work 
> only cost me $50. Beats buying another wheel just to have the original 
> hanging in my garage. 
>
> On Saturday, February 24, 2024 at 12:15:12 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Congrats on the new Clem. That's the model that I've most thought about 
>> recently. Perhaps one day ...
>>
>> I've ridden Alex rims on 2 Redline Monocog 29ers and based on those I'd 
>> say that Redline makes good, workmanlike modestly priced rims that are 
>> really all that most of us need. 584 (millimeters) is the "bead seat 
>> diameter," the diameter of the rim where the tire bead sits, thus a measure 
>> of the inner tire bead diameter, and thus further a quick-reference for 
>> tire height (which of course varies almost infinetly according to tire 
>> width); the 650B designation is an ancient French and nowadays confusing 
>> name for precisely that bead seat diameter, so that 650B = 584 mm bsd. 
>> 650B/584 bsd tires and rims are sortof kindof halfway between "road 
>> wheels/tires" or 700c/622 bsd and "twenty six inch wheels", of which there 
>> are too many varieties to enumerate here but which commonly refers to the 
>> most common mountain bike wheel 20 and 30 years ago with a 559 mm bsd.
>>
>> DM 18? I don't know but I'd guess that 18 mm is the inner width of the 
>> rim. Others can correct as necessary.
>>
>>  
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 9:51 AM Dennis Wong  wrote:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> Purchased my first Riv, a mustard colored Clem Jr H! 
>>>
>>> I think the bike has the original 650B wheels marked Alex Rims.  The are 
>>> about 31mm wide.  I'd was thinking of having someone build a new, matching 
>>> front wheel with a dynamo.  I looked at the Velocity and Alex Rim sites.  
>>> Other than the Rivendell Site 
>>>  (650B/27.5/584 x 
>>> DM18 x Shimano hubs) I don't see much on the web about these rims.  (What 
>>> does the 584 and DM18 mean?)
>>>
>>> Thank you.
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: 700c Mavic/XT Wheelset 100/135

[Dave Grossman]

Bump and a price drop

$225 Shipped
$175 Chicago Area Sale

On Tuesday, February 13, 2024 at 2:20:02 PM UTC-6 Dave Grossman wrote:

> Thanks Mike.  I'm always a "how are the bearings and true" question guy so 
> I figured I'd help with that!
>
> On Tuesday, February 13, 2024 at 11:57:34 AM UTC-6 Mike Godwin wrote:
>
>> David, great idea with the spinning video.
>> Mike "no need for another wheelset against the wall" in SLO CA
>>
>> On Tuesday, February 13, 2024 at 6:15:57 AM UTC-8 Dave Grossman wrote:
>>
>>> I rode on these hoops on my Homer.  I sold the Homer and saved them as a 
>>> backup for my Hunq but haven't used them since and it is time to move them 
>>> on.
>>>
>>> 700c
>>> 100/135
>>> Mavic 117 Rims
>>> XT M770 Hubs
>>> All Silver!
>>> No Skewers
>>>
>>> Pics Here:  https://photos.app.goo.gl/sCDoswkdpyrkwgQ37
>>>
>>> Any questions or more pics feel free to ask.
>>>
>>> Asking $250 shipped or $200 local meet up in the Chicagoland area.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Yet another tired question...

[Patrick Moore]

That's the Naches Pass. Excellent tire; I use the EL version with tubes and
Orange Seal.

On Mon, Feb 26, 2024 at 7:10 AM Jingy  wrote:

> I would suggest the Rene Herse 26 x1.8" tire ( I can't remember the
> name-not the Rat Trap Pass, the other one).
> So far that's been my favorite tire on my 26" wheeled All Rounder.
>
> Jim in Mpls
>
> On Sunday, February 25, 2024 at 8:59:35 PM UTC-6 ber...@bernardduhon.com
> wrote:
>
>> One more thing. Your continentals are the most uncomfortable tire I ever
>> rode.  I know cause I got 5000 mile before 1st flat.
>>
>> Paselas & Elk Pass are good for Erie canal.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com  *On
>> Behalf Of *Stephen Durfee
>> *Sent:* Sunday, February 25, 2024 5:50 PM
>> *To:* RBW Owners Bunch 
>> *Subject:* [RBW] Yet another tired question...
>>
>>
>>
>> My son and I are planning an adventure along the Erie Canal route for
>> this summer, with a few detours along the way to visit friends and explore
>> the Finger Lakes. I’m planning to ride my All Rounder (26” wheels) and
>> carry clothes and some gear for camping, but trying to keep the packing
>> light. It will be mostly a paved road trip, but we might get the chance to
>> get onto some gravel. With that as the back story, I’m curious about tire
>> recommendations. The bike came to me with Continental Contacts and  I’ve
>> experimented with Paselas and RH Elk Pass. I'm ready to try something new
>> and would welcome the suggestions,
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Re: [RBW] Yet another tired question...

[Patrick Moore]

The Elk Passes are the most wonderful road tires I've used, but at least on
my rims (13 mm IW) a bit narrow (27-28 mm) for anything except the firmest
and smoothest dirt surfaces. What about the Rene Herse Naches Pass, 559 X
42? They come in an extralight model at ~300 grams IIRC; I've been using
these, with tubes + Orange Seal, for several years and, while they don't
"seem" to roll as effortlessly as the 175 gram Elk Passes they roll very
well indeed and expand the scope of dirt surfaces that the bike can handle
-- I ride mine in shallow sand to take convenient dirt detours between
pavement sections, in order to avoid heavy pavement auto traffic.

On Sun, Feb 25, 2024 at 7:59 PM Bernard Duhon 
wrote:

> One more thing. Your continentals are the most uncomfortable tire I ever
> rode.  I know cause I got 5000 mile before 1st flat.
>
> Paselas & Elk Pass are good for Erie canal.
>
>
>
> *From:* rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com <
> rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Stephen Durfee
> *Sent:* Sunday, February 25, 2024 5:50 PM
> *To:* RBW Owners Bunch 
> *Subject:* [RBW] Yet another tired question...
>
>
>
> My son and I are planning an adventure along the Erie Canal route for this
> summer, with a few detours along the way to visit friends and explore the
> Finger Lakes. I’m planning to ride my All Rounder (26” wheels) and carry
> clothes and some gear for camping, but trying to keep the packing light. It
> will be mostly a paved road trip, but we might get the chance to get onto
> some gravel. With that as the back story, I’m curious about tire
> recommendations. The bike came to me with Continental Contacts and  I’ve
> experimented with Paselas and RH Elk Pass. I'm ready to try something new
> and would welcome the suggestions,
>
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[RBW] Re: I only have 1 chance to get a Rivendell.. which would you recommend?

[J S]

I prefer the Hillborne but I like it being closer to older bikes before the 
chainstays got longer and longer  at Riv. 
On Saturday, February 24, 2024 at 11:46:51 AM UTC-5 ahb...@gmail.com wrote:

> Only 1 chance because I'm living in Asia and the closest place I can buy 
> is from Blue Lug online store in Tokyo. So, I have to pay for shipping and 
> import tax.
>
> I mostly commute 90% and joy ride the rest. Wish and would one day will go 
> for long road touring. I'm considering the following model.
>
> A. Homer Hilsen OR Sam Hillborne. From my research, their geometry are 
> pretty much the same now. Except Hillborne is a bit heavier due to tube 
> reinforcement. I'm leaning toward A. Homer Hilsen because its lighter and I 
> can get one now.
>
> Also considering their Step Through. First choice would be Platypus then 
> Clem Smith Jr..
>
> Which one would you recommend and thanks in advance.
>

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Re: [RBW] Yet another tired question...

[Brian Turner]

RH Naches Pass 26 x 1.8"
I'm running them mounted on Velocity Atlas rims and they measure 41mm for
me. Excellent all-rounder tire!

-Brian
Lex KY

On Mon, Feb 26, 2024 at 9:10 AM Jingy  wrote:

> I would suggest the Rene Herse 26 x1.8" tire ( I can't remember the
> name-not the Rat Trap Pass, the other one).
> So far that's been my favorite tire on my 26" wheeled All Rounder.
>
> Jim in Mpls
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Re: [RBW] Yet another tired question...

[Jingy]

I would suggest the Rene Herse 26 x1.8" tire ( I can't remember the 
name-not the Rat Trap Pass, the other one).
So far that's been my favorite tire on my 26" wheeled All Rounder.

Jim in Mpls

On Sunday, February 25, 2024 at 8:59:35 PM UTC-6 ber...@bernardduhon.com 
wrote:

> One more thing. Your continentals are the most uncomfortable tire I ever 
> rode.  I know cause I got 5000 mile before 1st flat. 
>
> Paselas & Elk Pass are good for Erie canal.  
>
>  
>
> *From:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *Stephen Durfee
> *Sent:* Sunday, February 25, 2024 5:50 PM
> *To:* RBW Owners Bunch 
> *Subject:* [RBW] Yet another tired question...
>
>  
>
> My son and I are planning an adventure along the Erie Canal route for this 
> summer, with a few detours along the way to visit friends and explore the 
> Finger Lakes. I’m planning to ride my All Rounder (26” wheels) and carry 
> clothes and some gear for camping, but trying to keep the packing light. It 
> will be mostly a paved road trip, but we might get the chance to get onto 
> some gravel. With that as the back story, I’m curious about tire 
> recommendations. The bike came to me with Continental Contacts and  I’ve 
> experimented with Paselas and RH Elk Pass. I'm ready to try something new 
> and would welcome the suggestions,  
>
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[RBW] Re: I only have 1 chance to get a Rivendell.. which would you recommend?

[Sarah Carlson]

Another vote for the Platypus. It is such a versatile bike, you can really 
take it in so many different build directions without compromising your 
experience. When I think of all the ways I've seen the Platypus built up, 
it's king of mind boggling. People smiling out on trails with lots of bags 
and knobby tires, sporty version built up for the road, all purpose 
shopping and around town bike... I love all my bikes but with the step 
through I imagine this one will outlast the others when it gets tougher to 
swing my leg over a top tube. Hopefully that's way in the future... but 
it's one reason I'm happy to have a Platy.

Sarah

On Saturday, February 24, 2024 at 8:46:51 AM UTC-8 ahb...@gmail.com wrote:

> Only 1 chance because I'm living in Asia and the closest place I can buy 
> is from Blue Lug online store in Tokyo. So, I have to pay for shipping and 
> import tax.
>
> I mostly commute 90% and joy ride the rest. Wish and would one day will go 
> for long road touring. I'm considering the following model.
>
> A. Homer Hilsen OR Sam Hillborne. From my research, their geometry are 
> pretty much the same now. Except Hillborne is a bit heavier due to tube 
> reinforcement. I'm leaning toward A. Homer Hilsen because its lighter and I 
> can get one now.
>
> Also considering their Step Through. First choice would be Platypus then 
> Clem Smith Jr..
>
> Which one would you recommend and thanks in advance.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Northern Hemisphere Winter 2023-2024 Ride Photos

['Paul Germain' via RBW Owners Bunch]

 Tony, Thanks for that bit of Hillborne history.  I
As to the brake change, if pulling a wide tire without deflating it, the Paul 
centerpulls open wide. 
Paul
On Monday, February 26, 2024 at 12:40:53 AM EST, Tony Lockhart 
 wrote:  
 
 Hey Paul, Beautiful Homer that you've got! I really like the bags and mustache 
bars.
I bought my Sam in December of 2009.maybe in the first couple of runs? I'm 
not entirely certain. At any rate, those early ones didn't come with the accent 
head tubes. I've been daydreaming about getting the Sam repainted to a celeste 
or Homer bluemaybe even change ditch the canti posts and change over to 
side pulls. Haha, I knowsacrilege!

On Sunday, February 25, 2024 at 6:31:08 PM UTC-8 Bikie#4646 wrote:

Tony, nice image! Just curious, is your bike a repaint? No cream head tube or 
accents? I myself have a Homer which was restored and powder coated monochrome, 
except for modified decals. Since I also have a Sam Hillborne, it is nice to 
set it apart from that (and other Rivendells).Paul GermainMidlothian, Va.

On Saturday, February 24, 2024 at 9:22:32 AM UTC-5 Tony Lockhart wrote:


Early morning...Pasadena, CA
On Tuesday, February 13, 2024 at 7:05:45 PM UTC-8 kyleco...@gmail.com wrote:

Love the photos from Japan! Thanks for sharing.
On Tue, Feb 13, 2024 at 7:48 AM Takashi  wrote:

We have very little snowfall this winter. I think I wrote the same thing in the 
previous winter, but even less snow now.Anyway, here are a few photos from last 
Sunday.
Mt. Ontake:

Kiso Mountains:


Even with this little snowfall, I couldn't ride my bike on an unplowed 
road.Here, my bike is standing without help of kickstand.

Takashi

2024年2月13日火曜日 9:38:19 UTC+9 Collin A:

A bit of a delayed post, but I swung up by Riv World HQ a couple weekends ago 
and got some moody mid-ride photos in. What isn't pictured is the muddy mess 
the bike was about 20-30 minutes later.
FYI, the cazaderos are not great mud tires...but most already knew that I'm sure





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[RBW] Re: Wheels, $200

[alan lavine]

Any interest if I cover the shipping?
Alan

On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 11:36:47 AM UTC-5 alan lavine wrote:

> Bill is correct, also they are 700 not 650. Sorry 
>
> On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 10:56:49 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> The front should be 100mm, not 110.  The only 110mm fronts are current 
>> BOOST hubs.  
>>
>> BL in EC
>> On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 5:15:46 AM UTC-8 alan lavine wrote:
>>
>>> Hi All,
>>> These wheels, I’m 90% sure, came as original equipment on a Simple One I 
>>> got from a list member. Please correct me if I’m wrong. Hubs are high 
>>> flange Suzue 32 hole laced to Mavic MA3 rims. OLD 120/110. Rims measure 
>>> 14.5 ID and 20 mm OD. In good to very good condition, as smooth as they can 
>>> be and true.
>>> Rear hub is FW/FW not threaded for fixed.
>>> Asking $200 net to me. Prefer local pick up in NYC but will ship as 
>>> buyers expense.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Alan 
>>> NYC, Manhattan, UWS
>>>
>>>
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>
>>> *From: *Alan LaVine 
>>> *Subject: **Wheels*
>>> *Date: *February 14, 2024 at 9:19:02 PM EST
>>> *To: *alan 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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[RBW] FS: Clem 45cm & Rosco Platypus 50cm Framesets

[Charlie R]

Two Rivendell framesets never built:

Clem L 45cm dark green frameset.  This was from the last batch of Clems 
with the 26 inch wheelsets purchased maybe two years ago.  $1250.

Rosco Platypus 50cm frameset.  There were two colors available - purple and 
green.  This is the green.  $1500 - a bit less than I paid after shipping 
and taxes.

Both are located in north central Connecticut.  Pickup only - No shipping. 
Reason for sale is my advancing age and probability of never getting around 
to building the bikes up.  I do have a recently received Rivendell built 
Platypus going to the local bike shop today for it's final adjustments 
which undoubtedly will be my last bicycle at age 75.  Not a bad way of 
ending my riding career.

I have no pictures yet but a simple google will yield some for those who 
don't know what they are.  Contact me with any questions.


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[RBW] Re: Cantilevers or Direct Mount-Centerpulls

[iamkeith]

Would you gain any tire/fender clearace advantage by choosing cantilevers?  
Or will the chainstays end up being the thing that determines max size?
On Sunday, February 25, 2024 at 1:05:38 PM UTC-7 kyleco...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey all,
>
> Just swooped up an old bleriot that I am going to be bringing to a local 
> frame builder to do some mods to for racks and mounted brakes. I am looking 
> to set this one up as a touring bike and torn between having cantilever or 
> centerpull brake posts installed. Any thoughts from folks who have ridden 
> both?
>
> Kyle
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