[RBW] Re: How similar are the Bridgestone Atlantis (1), XO-1, All Rounder, Toyo Atlantis?

[NYCbikeguy]

Thanks for all of your wisdom, advice, and suggestions!
Special thanks to Jim for the links to the old readers! The story on the BS 
Atlantis was illuminating!

I had no clue about the Handsome XOXOs! I've seen them on ebay and CL 
before, but never batted an eye at them.
Now, I'll keep an eye out in my size to stock as a traveler/backup perhaps.

One day, I may have a custom frame with comparable geometries to 
XO-1/AR/Toyo Atlantis made with a few tweaks:
threadless fork/headset system
proper kickstand plate
dual canti/disc brake options
more braze ons for racks
ornate lugs! (refer to Wilbury head tube lugs. pics attached)

I'll have to budget properly for that dream to come true one day. I'll just 
need Joe Bell to stay healthy, well, and in business to work his magic on 
the frame by the time I save up for that custom. hah!

Thanks again, ya'll
-IY

On Tuesday, March 12, 2024 at 11:21:46 PM UTC-4 DavidP wrote:

> "what's stopping frame builders from building this sort of cross between 
> road/MTB on 26 inch wheels?"
>
> Handsome Cycles did two runs of an XO-1 replica, the XOXO, in 2012 and 
> 2021. Neither sold like hot cakes. 
> I picked up a 2012 frame in 2014 when they started looking like they might 
> sell out. 
> Most of its years were as an all rounder with 1.8s and fenders, then it 
> spent some time as kind of an ATB with 2.2s:
>
> [image: IMG_20220831_123853419_HDR.jpg]
>
> The latest configuration is back to the all rounder but it now has 
> Albatross bars and will be getting a front rack and basket.
>
> [image: PXL_20240308_222310190.jpg]
>
> As for modern bikes that are roadish and take large tires - there are 
> quite a few, due to the gravel thing, but they are 650b these days. But 
> like Ian said, go with a disc brake frame and you can build up a 26" 
> wheelset for it.
>
> Just a few examples:
> Brother Cycles Mr Wooden is a 650b rim brake bike that will take 50mm 
> tires.
> Crust has the Romanceur in canti (27.5x2.2) or disc (26x2.4 or 275.x2.2).
>
> -Dave
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Ron's Ortho... stem question

[iamkeith]

FWIW, from many years of doing so, I'll second the suggestion (not a 
promise or recommendation - disclaimer and all that) that 25.4 stems CAN  
work ok with 26.0 bars.  But the only ones Ive had scuccess with are 
high-end steel stems with a single bolt clamp.  They tend to have thinner 
steel that can bend and conform to the larger diameter bars.  Especially 
the Salsa ones, but also the Ritchey Force ones being discussed here.  I 
don't want to discourage you from trying - and it's a relatively cheap 
experiment - but I'm less certain it'll work with a removable faceplate 
construction.  Less of the material around the clamp circumference is 
un-restrained and free to flex.  It might work BETTER - I just don’t know.  
Tighten slowly and methodically, and watch to make sure that it's the steel 
stem that gets deformed, and not the aluminum handlebar.  I know it's not 
your current plan, but don't pry open a forged aluminum stem to fit a 
bigger bar.  Lastly,  the safe option is still a 31.8 faceplater stem with 
a 26.0 shim.  I get it if you want to try a 26.0 stem first though.  Just 
please let us know how it works out.
On Tuesday, March 12, 2024 at 4:37:59 PM UTC-6 Chris K wrote:

> Again, thanks much for all the replies and info. I think I'll get the 135 
> Faceplater. The reason for getting the Nitto Riv version instead of one of 
> these awesome Ritchie's is I need the extra height.
>
> FWIW, Ron says a 25.4 clamp works with the 26.0 bar if you pry it open 
> just a touch to fit it in. Bit of a hack I suppose, but I'm gonna give it a 
> shot.
>
> On Tue, Mar 12, 2024 at 3:27 PM Brian McDermott  
> wrote:
>
>>
>> I went from Billies to orthos on my Appaloosa, had to go from a 120 to 
>> 130 for the extra sweep. Finding a suitable 26.0 stem was a challenge, 
>> ended up with a Miyata pantographed stem from eBay.
>> On Sunday, March 10, 2024 at 10:03:24 AM UTC-7 Chris K wrote:
>>
>>> Hey all, I've got some Ortho Bars in my cart and looking for stem advice 
>>> from those who use this bar. Obv there are multiple fit and frame factors 
>>> that play into something like this, but curious what people are generally 
>>> going with. Here are the options I'm deciding between:
>>>
>>> - Faceplater 110mm
>>> - Faceplater 135mm
>>> - Tallux 12cm
>>>
>>> Will the 110 Faceplater be too short?
>>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Bags Bags Bags (BXB, Sackville, Apidura)

[Collin A]

And the BXB bag has sold...

All that's left is the littlest bag boy. Get it in Olive while you still 
can...

On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 9:25:41 AM UTC-7 Collin A wrote:

> Apidura bag has sold, the bagboy and BXB bag are still available...
>
> On Sunday, March 10, 2024 at 8:37:15 AM UTC-7 Collin A wrote:
>
>> Still got 'em, don't be afraid to make an offer...
>>
>> Collin in Berktown
>>
>> On Thursday, February 29, 2024 at 8:33:32 PM UTC-8 Collin A wrote:
>>
>>> Folks,
>>>
>>> Cleaning out the garage and I'm posting some spare bags that I'm not 
>>> using anymore!
>>> Photos here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/5nMqbvpGJVPSDqiR6
>>>
>>> Sackville Bagboy Olive, Older version without D-rings or skid plate. 
>>> Unused except for a short jaunt to get some groceries, practically new when 
>>> acquired from Bill several months ago. The wife prefers her 
>>> panniers...*asking 
>>> for $160 shipped*
>>>
>>> BagxBird better half frame bag. This is the older/prototype bag, black 
>>> camo with maglock, size medium (at the time). Fits great on at least a 47.5 
>>> AHH, 51 Appaloosa, and a 52H clem. Comes with free dirt from Mt Tam and 
>>> some sand from the American River :) A*sking for $70 shipped. *This is 
>>> probably the closest: Better Half - Small Long (S-M Bikes) | Bags by 
>>> Bird (bagsxbird.com) 
>>> 
>>>
>>> Apidura top tube bag, 1L size. It's pretty svelte and quite waterproof! 
>>> All my bikes have brake braze-ons or the top tubes are too short to avoid 
>>> thigh rub when pedaling out of the saddle. *Asking $50 shipped*. Racing 
>>> Top Tube Pack | Apidura 
>>> 
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Collin in Berkeley
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: VO Rando Rolling Chasis

[Collin A]

Bike/chassis has sold.

Thanks all!

On Wed, Feb 7, 2024 at 8:49 PM Collin A  wrote:

> Alrighty, its quiet out there...
>
> I'm open to parting out the chassis, and dropping the price for the whole
> enchilada to $900 plus split shipping from 94702 (probably around $40-60).
>
> Frame/Fork/headset - $650 plus "we split the shipping" from 94702. Will
> still include the barrel adjusters...
> Grand Cru Brakes - $130 shipped
> H Plus Son Wheelset - $150 plus "we split the shipping" from 94702
>
> Happy February,
> Collin in Soggytown (Berkeley)
>
> On Fri, Jan 26, 2024 at 10:27 AM Collin A 
> wrote:
>
>> Heyo,
>>
>> I managed to get my hands and build up the recent VO Rando Redux last
>> year and built it up as a racier bay-area hill climber bike, and it served
>> that role perfectly! However, I got a good deal on a Ritchey Road Logic
>> (what I originally wanted) and immediately failed my New Year’s resolution,
>> and as such am parting ways with the frameset, with some bonus parts to get
>> you going listed below:
>>
>> Asking $1000 + shipping
>> Photos: https://photos.app.goo.gl/TVZ3cbqpd59EmgCi6
>>
>>- Frame: Size Medium VO Rando. Fork cut approximately 65mm above the
>>current headset, and includes the starnut. Will Include the vertical 130
>>and horizontal 120 dropouts. I fit some 700x35 as measured tires in there
>>with the 130 dropouts. 2 scratches of note, but no dents or dings and 
>> never
>>crashed.
>>- Headset: Ritchey WCS threadless 1 1/8. It works!
>>- Brakes: VO Grand Cru mid-rach (they call them long reach but we all
>>know they are mid reach) brakes that the frame was specifically designed
>>around. These are bomber brakes, and the blue pads are *chef's kiss
>>- Wheelset: H Plus son archetype 32h f/r laced to shimano r7000 105
>>hubs with straight gauge spokes and brass nipples. These suckers just work
>>and work and work. I built up the rando with some lighter weight weenie
>>wheels, but I think these fit the spirit of the all-steel road bike a bit
>>more. They are great and should last as long as the bike. Tires will be
>>included to protect the rims during shipping (cause they are skinny)!
>>Includes the stalwart shimano quick releases
>>- Black no-name barrel adjusters. Lightish since they are plastic,
>>and again matches the black theme.
>>
>> If you are interested in just the frame, let me know and we can chat. But
>> for now I'd like to sell the whole setup. I've got some other parts that
>> could be included if you want more of a complete bike, namely drivetrain
>> parts, bars, seatpost, etc.
>>
>> If you were looking for a livelier version of the roadini, this might be
>> it.
>>
>> Collin in Berktown
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Roadini 50cm

[Ron Cramer]

Sorry for the confusion. By mistake I  ended up submitting two emails: one
with the picture and one with the price. $1300, includes professional
packing by my LBS.  Buyer pays for shipping by Bikeflights.

On Tue, Mar 12, 2024, 2:16 PM Greg J  wrote:

> price?
>
> On Tuesday, March 12, 2024 at 1:15:47 PM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> How was the ride? Looks like it has lots of elevation. How did you like
>> the Roadini?
>> Doug
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 12, 2024 at 1:40:04 PM UTC-4 cramer@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Impulse buy,  built it up last year to ride the Triple Bypass.  Maybe
>>> 250 miles on it. No dents, but a  small chip on the chainstay.
>>>
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[RBW] Re: How similar are the Bridgestone Atlantis (1), XO-1, All Rounder, Toyo Atlantis?

[Johnny Alien]

The original Clem used 26" on the smallest size. I don't ride a frame that 
small but I liked that the wheel size changed with every size. Part of me 
still wants a Heron or XO or something with a 26" wheel. Its a small part 
though.

On Tuesday, March 12, 2024 at 8:20:27 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> "what's stopping frame builders from building this sort of cross between 
> road/MTB on 26 inch wheels?"
>
> Clients not ordering them.  That's what's stopping them.  A frame builder 
> will likely build you one if you order it!
>
> BL in EC
> On Tuesday, March 12, 2024 at 2:22:57 PM UTC-7 NYCbikeguy wrote:
>
>> I'd like to defer this question to all of you knowledgeable riv owners 
>> out there-
>> I want to know how these frames evolved, what's different/the same, and 
>> are there any modern equivalents in terms of frame geometry? and finally... 
>> what's stopping frame builders from building this sort of cross between 
>> road/MTB on 26 inch wheels?
>>
>> pic for enjoyment. (insta @autodidactic_bikemechanic)
>>
>> [image: IMG_5314.jpg]
>>
>> Best,
>> IY
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2024

[Josh C]

wow

On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 3:33:10 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> $7000  In a word, HA!  At least they are taking offers...  
>
> BL in EC
>
> On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 12:28:26 PM UTC-7 Michael Morrissey wrote:
>
>> Heron Touring 
>> 55cm
>> $7000
>> Walled Lake, Michigan
>> Rare rare rare parts like Titanium Chris King headset, Nitto racks, and 
>> full Campagnolo...
>>
>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/176156925449?itmmeta=01HRQFP37XW2ZW9W57MX91XV8H=item2903c55e09:g:1-QAAOSwlT9le1Vr=enc%3AAQAI4A7jbJYmJLb0qhGidg8sdvoie5vcUpIvYrS%2BSMvrLJLvPiSDvKpjMsaHlJTCd1soc%2BS7lyI3DhBCJIMPjYbsw%2Bz2jx3FF1A8HaYOsrSGCGDojnJMNqrJC9m0GJvRkaVV7ejS4wIjNmkGPkl5PLpOEQlbXY8ub8%2FhPJelndP333HN%2B5YXfIBsGZBcK%2BedK1MLmQWY7kHqX4c4AzxDVzG%2B1rJVrllsTotNUBw2pKEhm%2BQDzzEV4sTfCquOQ0jScQhSElZQaXk3KjAGccNhRMGhT54kCgPjyFiebEPpJtvqbTfN%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR4C02O_FYw
>>
>> On Sunday, March 3, 2024 at 5:36:38 PM UTC-5 Matthew Williams wrote:
>>
>>> Roadini
>>> 57cm
>>> 2000
>>> Emeryville, CA
>>>
>>>
>>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/emeryville-rivendell-leo-roadini/7720529232.html
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: How similar are the Bridgestone Atlantis (1), XO-1, All Rounder, Toyo Atlantis?

[Bill Lindsay]

"what's stopping frame builders from building this sort of cross between 
road/MTB on 26 inch wheels?"

Clients not ordering them.  That's what's stopping them.  A frame builder 
will likely build you one if you order it!

BL in EC
On Tuesday, March 12, 2024 at 2:22:57 PM UTC-7 NYCbikeguy wrote:

> I'd like to defer this question to all of you knowledgeable riv owners out 
> there-
> I want to know how these frames evolved, what's different/the same, and 
> are there any modern equivalents in terms of frame geometry? and finally... 
> what's stopping frame builders from building this sort of cross between 
> road/MTB on 26 inch wheels?
>
> pic for enjoyment. (insta @autodidactic_bikemechanic)
>
> [image: IMG_5314.jpg]
>
> Best,
> IY
>

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[RBW] Re: How similar are the Bridgestone Atlantis (1), XO-1, All Rounder, Toyo Atlantis?

[ian m]

Seems like a decent number of options in the 26+ realm also, like the Crust 
Evasion and new Stridsland Beachcomber. Can't speak to geometry on those tho
On Tuesday, March 12, 2024 at 8:08:34 PM UTC-4 ian m wrote:

> There are similar bikes that *can *run 26" wheels due to using disc 
> brakes. The Velo Orange Polyvalent comes to mind. As much as I love the 
> 26er I don't see anyone outside of custom builds combining that wheel size 
> and rim brakes anymore
>
> On Tuesday, March 12, 2024 at 6:55:34 PM UTC-4 Jim M. wrote:
>
>> Ah, here it is on Cyclofiend's website: 
>> http://www.cyclofiend.com/Images/rbw/rr35_pg46.jpg
>> http://www.cyclofiend.com/Images/rbw/rr35_pg47.jpg
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 12, 2024 at 3:47:12 PM UTC-7 Jim M. wrote:
>>
>>> Great looking bike! 
>>>
>>> Bridgestone Atlantis was pre-Grant, designed by a Bridgestone employee 
>>> in Japan who took inspiration from French constructeurs, so a different 
>>> kind of bike than the others you mentioned. There's a Riv Reader article 
>>> about it that I cannot find at the moment but will post later.
>>>
>>> Why no more? No one has raced one since John Stamstad, no demand, steel 
>>> and 559 wheels are dead? All of the above? 
>>>
>>> jim mather
>>> walnut creek
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, March 12, 2024 at 2:22:57 PM UTC-7 NYCbikeguy wrote:
>>>
 I'd like to defer this question to all of you knowledgeable riv owners 
 out there-
 I want to know how these frames evolved, what's different/the same, and 
 are there any modern equivalents in terms of frame geometry? and 
 finally... 
 what's stopping frame builders from building this sort of cross between 
 road/MTB on 26 inch wheels?

 pic for enjoyment. (insta @autodidactic_bikemechanic)

 [image: IMG_5314.jpg]

 Best,
 IY

>>>

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[RBW] Re: How similar are the Bridgestone Atlantis (1), XO-1, All Rounder, Toyo Atlantis?

[ian m]

There are similar bikes that *can *run 26" wheels due to using disc brakes. 
The Velo Orange Polyvalent comes to mind. As much as I love the 26er I 
don't see anyone outside of custom builds combining that wheel size and rim 
brakes anymore

On Tuesday, March 12, 2024 at 6:55:34 PM UTC-4 Jim M. wrote:

> Ah, here it is on Cyclofiend's website: 
> http://www.cyclofiend.com/Images/rbw/rr35_pg46.jpg
> http://www.cyclofiend.com/Images/rbw/rr35_pg47.jpg
>
> On Tuesday, March 12, 2024 at 3:47:12 PM UTC-7 Jim M. wrote:
>
>> Great looking bike! 
>>
>> Bridgestone Atlantis was pre-Grant, designed by a Bridgestone employee in 
>> Japan who took inspiration from French constructeurs, so a different kind 
>> of bike than the others you mentioned. There's a Riv Reader article about 
>> it that I cannot find at the moment but will post later.
>>
>> Why no more? No one has raced one since John Stamstad, no demand, steel 
>> and 559 wheels are dead? All of the above? 
>>
>> jim mather
>> walnut creek
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 12, 2024 at 2:22:57 PM UTC-7 NYCbikeguy wrote:
>>
>>> I'd like to defer this question to all of you knowledgeable riv owners 
>>> out there-
>>> I want to know how these frames evolved, what's different/the same, and 
>>> are there any modern equivalents in terms of frame geometry? and finally... 
>>> what's stopping frame builders from building this sort of cross between 
>>> road/MTB on 26 inch wheels?
>>>
>>> pic for enjoyment. (insta @autodidactic_bikemechanic)
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_5314.jpg]
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> IY
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: How similar are the Bridgestone Atlantis (1), XO-1, All Rounder, Toyo Atlantis?

[Jim M.]

Ah, here it is on Cyclofiend's website: 
http://www.cyclofiend.com/Images/rbw/rr35_pg46.jpg
http://www.cyclofiend.com/Images/rbw/rr35_pg47.jpg

On Tuesday, March 12, 2024 at 3:47:12 PM UTC-7 Jim M. wrote:

> Great looking bike! 
>
> Bridgestone Atlantis was pre-Grant, designed by a Bridgestone employee in 
> Japan who took inspiration from French constructeurs, so a different kind 
> of bike than the others you mentioned. There's a Riv Reader article about 
> it that I cannot find at the moment but will post later.
>
> Why no more? No one has raced one since John Stamstad, no demand, steel 
> and 559 wheels are dead? All of the above? 
>
> jim mather
> walnut creek
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, March 12, 2024 at 2:22:57 PM UTC-7 NYCbikeguy wrote:
>
>> I'd like to defer this question to all of you knowledgeable riv owners 
>> out there-
>> I want to know how these frames evolved, what's different/the same, and 
>> are there any modern equivalents in terms of frame geometry? and finally... 
>> what's stopping frame builders from building this sort of cross between 
>> road/MTB on 26 inch wheels?
>>
>> pic for enjoyment. (insta @autodidactic_bikemechanic)
>>
>> [image: IMG_5314.jpg]
>>
>> Best,
>> IY
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: How similar are the Bridgestone Atlantis (1), XO-1, All Rounder, Toyo Atlantis?

[Jim M.]

Great looking bike! 

Bridgestone Atlantis was pre-Grant, designed by a Bridgestone employee in 
Japan who took inspiration from French constructeurs, so a different kind 
of bike than the others you mentioned. There's a Riv Reader article about 
it that I cannot find at the moment but will post later.

Why no more? No one has raced one since John Stamstad, no demand, steel and 
559 wheels are dead? All of the above? 

jim mather
walnut creek



On Tuesday, March 12, 2024 at 2:22:57 PM UTC-7 NYCbikeguy wrote:

> I'd like to defer this question to all of you knowledgeable riv owners out 
> there-
> I want to know how these frames evolved, what's different/the same, and 
> are there any modern equivalents in terms of frame geometry? and finally... 
> what's stopping frame builders from building this sort of cross between 
> road/MTB on 26 inch wheels?
>
> pic for enjoyment. (insta @autodidactic_bikemechanic)
>
> [image: IMG_5314.jpg]
>
> Best,
> IY
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Ron's Ortho... stem question

[Chris Kannen]

Again, thanks much for all the replies and info. I think I'll get the 135
Faceplater. The reason for getting the Nitto Riv version instead of one of
these awesome Ritchie's is I need the extra height.

FWIW, Ron says a 25.4 clamp works with the 26.0 bar if you pry it open just
a touch to fit it in. Bit of a hack I suppose, but I'm gonna give it a shot.

On Tue, Mar 12, 2024 at 3:27 PM Brian McDermott <
brianmarkmcderm...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> I went from Billies to orthos on my Appaloosa, had to go from a 120 to 130
> for the extra sweep. Finding a suitable 26.0 stem was a challenge, ended up
> with a Miyata pantographed stem from eBay.
> On Sunday, March 10, 2024 at 10:03:24 AM UTC-7 Chris K wrote:
>
>> Hey all, I've got some Ortho Bars in my cart and looking for stem advice
>> from those who use this bar. Obv there are multiple fit and frame factors
>> that play into something like this, but curious what people are generally
>> going with. Here are the options I'm deciding between:
>>
>> - Faceplater 110mm
>> - Faceplater 135mm
>> - Tallux 12cm
>>
>> Will the 110 Faceplater be too short?
>>
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[RBW] Re: Ron's Ortho... stem question

[Brian McDermott]

I went from Billies to orthos on my Appaloosa, had to go from a 120 to 130 
for the extra sweep. Finding a suitable 26.0 stem was a challenge, ended up 
with a Miyata pantographed stem from eBay.
On Sunday, March 10, 2024 at 10:03:24 AM UTC-7 Chris K wrote:

> Hey all, I've got some Ortho Bars in my cart and looking for stem advice 
> from those who use this bar. Obv there are multiple fit and frame factors 
> that play into something like this, but curious what people are generally 
> going with. Here are the options I'm deciding between:
>
> - Faceplater 110mm
> - Faceplater 135mm
> - Tallux 12cm
>
> Will the 110 Faceplater be too short?
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Roadini 50cm

[Ron Cramer]

Great weather this year, we were lucky.  Roadini road wonderful. The only
reason I am selling it is because (as my wife pointed out) it is the
functional equivalent of my Rambouillet. Doh!

On Tue, Mar 12, 2024, 2:15 PM Doug H.  wrote:

> How was the ride? Looks like it has lots of elevation. How did you like
> the Roadini?
> Doug
>
> On Tuesday, March 12, 2024 at 1:40:04 PM UTC-4 cramer@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Impulse buy,  built it up last year to ride the Triple Bypass.  Maybe 250
>> miles on it. No dents, but a  small chip on the chainstay.
>>
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[RBW] Re: Revisiting the Nitto 52f Basket Rack

[Bill Lindsay]

The best parking brake, in my opinion, is the sturdy velcro leg band off my 
pants leg.  I have it, and don't need it on my leg, since I'm parking my 
bike.  When I take off the parking brake it reminds me to put my leg band 
back on :). 

For steer-stopping, I keep a longer velcro strap connected to each of my 
two tandems (one HubbuHubbuH, one beater tandem).  When I park the tandem, 
I route the velcro strap around the down tube and the front wheel and pull 
it tight.  Now I can lean the machine against the wall or pole or fence and 
it stays a single rigid object, and prevents the front wheel turning.  It's 
a good system for that task.  If "parking flop" is the entirety of the 
problem, that's a $10 solution to "parking flop".  If "riding flop" or 
"steering flop" is part/all of the problem, a strap won't help you.  

I bought some Stout 650B tires, and strangely each tire came with this 
curiously nice long velcro strap.  It was too nice to toss, so I looked for 
a good reason to use it.  It's ~twice as long as a leg band.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 12:10:56 PM UTC-7 Michael Morrissey wrote:

> Hi Leah,
>
> Your Platypus is going to be amazing. I advocate that you get the Velo 
> Orange steering damper.
>
> However, to install it you are going to need to reroute your cables on the 
> downtube. Here's what you need for that, which allows you to run full 
> length outer housing. I have these for my rear brake on my Rivendell and 
> they work great. As a bonus, you can get cool cable outers in a contrasting 
> color (try Sim Works or Velo Orange for these): 
> https://www.amazon.com/ZYAMY-Bicycle-Hydraulic-Housing-Clamps/dp/B095P4GPQZ
>
> The steerstopper is a cool farkle (fancy accessory really kewl likely 
> expensive), but it's a $100 solution to a $10 problem. Try one of these on 
> your front brake lever first as a parking brake:
>
> https://www.amazon.com/Nite-Ize-Original-Reusable-Assorted/dp/B00SHBNE8E/ref=asc_df_B00SHBNE8E/?tag=hyprod-20=df0=19807628==g=15513276014631186794c===9067609=pla-318105899700=1=CjwKCAjw17qvBhBrEiwA1rU9w2QBemfat-bZ6llmXU4aAVZxoNtAa1OXdctlHdbXqGK7DcyUwTEkvxoC9MkQAvD_BwE
>
> Michael
> On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 11:22:42 AM UTC-4 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> @Tom,
>> Thank-you for your information. I appreciate it.  
>>
>> Kim Hetzel.
>>
>> On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 7:52:33 AM UTC-7 Tom Horton wrote:
>>
>>> kim, re the steerstopper on a clem L, I've had one on a clem L 64 for a 
>>> few years and works fineI don't load the front basket with bricks or 
>>> anything ultra heavy, but load of groceries, books, etc...no 
>>> problemsthe steerstopper guy wasn't sure it would work and even offered 
>>> to make a custom, longer version of the steerstopper; but the regular one 
>>> has been fine for me. you need to snug the receiver part up tight (but 
>>> beware, you can strip the threads if you get too exuberant).  I'd recommend 
>>> it for a clem L; also have them on a few other front basketed rivs, all 
>>> good.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, March 10, 2024 at 12:34:26 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 [image: IMG_5598.jpeg][image: IMG_5582.jpeg]Hi Friends,

 I’ve had a Nitto Basket Rack from Rivendell for a few years. I think it 
 looks awesome, it’s dead useful, but it annoyed me that it was heavy and 
 made my bars swing around on my mermaid Platy. But as I plan the build for 
 my 50 cm purple Platy (which is taking a million years) I am considering 
 putting the basket rack back into service. It pains me to see it sitting, 
 and it’s so pretty and unique that I just want to give it another try. 
 Maybe the 650b wheels will be less floppy with this rack? Maybe the 
 smaller, lighter bike won’t seem as penalized by the heft of this rack? It 
 would be such an easy experiment if it wasn’t for the dyno light/wiring 
 that is affected by the decision. It’s not a matter of simply pulling the 
 rack, because wire length, light mount, etc are affected and will not be 
 an 
 easy switch. My shop hates soldering and I certainly can’t do it. 

 I had started a thread long ago about this and a lot of people reported 
 similar experiences. Now that some more years have gone by, I’m curious if 
 opinions have changed, or if more people have these racks and would offer 
 their opinions. There isn’t much in the way of reviews to read online. 
 Maybe some here would offer theirs. If more folks are trying and loving 
 their Nitto Basket Racks, I’ll be likely to install mine. 

 Meanwhile, this beautiful Platypus sits in my living room on the shelf, 
 waiting for its parts to return from the anodizer. And, there’s fresh snow 
 on the ground. But talking bikes will get me through!
 Leah

>>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Roadini 50cm

[Greg J]

price?

On Tuesday, March 12, 2024 at 1:15:47 PM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:

> How was the ride? Looks like it has lots of elevation. How did you like 
> the Roadini?
> Doug
>
> On Tuesday, March 12, 2024 at 1:40:04 PM UTC-4 cramer@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Impulse buy,  built it up last year to ride the Triple Bypass.  Maybe 250 
>> miles on it. No dents, but a  small chip on the chainstay. 
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Roadini 50cm

[Doug H.]

How was the ride? Looks like it has lots of elevation. How did you like the 
Roadini?
Doug

On Tuesday, March 12, 2024 at 1:40:04 PM UTC-4 cramer@gmail.com wrote:

> Impulse buy,  built it up last year to ride the Triple Bypass.  Maybe 250 
> miles on it. No dents, but a  small chip on the chainstay. 
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Ron's Ortho... stem question

[Michael Monti]

As a huge fan of the old Ritchey force stems, I'm going to say that it is 
very likely that the stems pictured here are designed to accommodate 
cantilever brakes, aka with cable stops.  The clamp diameter being 25.4.  
Also, I have found these stems hold handlebars very well.  The issue with 
these stems is not scratching the bars during install because the steel 
sleeve (the 25.4 part) is a longer length than most single bolt stems 
making it difficult to install anything other than a flat bar.  So, my 
trick for this is to take out the bolt and put it in backwards, starting it 
through the threaded side on the bottom of the sleeve and placing a penny 
in front of the unthreaded side covering it and threading the bolt into the 
penny and with minimal torque the clamp diameter opens up helping to 
prevent any damage to your handlebars during install.  The downside to this 
single bolt stem vs. the faceplater stem is deciding you want to change 
your stem and having to undo one side your beautifully wrapped bars.

On Tuesday, March 12, 2024 at 10:41:39 AM UTC-7 El Sapo wrote:

>
> Are those stems with the cable stops 26mm clamp?
>
>
> On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 3:43:41 PM UTC-7 Jordan Rosenblum wrote:
>
>> Not unlike other folks, I found the width of the Ortho's demanded a 
>> longer stem than I use with Bosco and Tosco bars. Another option that I 
>> think sits somewhere between a face-plater and other single bolt stems are 
>> the Ritchey Force made by Nitto stems of the 90's, which you can 
>> occasionally find in even longer lengths. They are steel with a single 
>> bolt—and very pretty. The downside is that they don't have a ton of rise. 
>> As the poster above mentions, I have successfully used a Ritchey 25.4 clamp 
>> diameter stem with the 26.0 Ortho's, which were very secure—though I don't 
>> presume any knowledge of whether this is long-term safe. 
>>
>> I saw this post just as I was prepping a for-sale post of similar stems 
>> on another forum. If Chris or other folks are interested, the following are 
>> up for grabs, I am going to create a new post so that I don't derail the 
>> thread. These include a 120mm 25.4 faceplate stem, Ritchey 25.4 stems in 
>> 150 and 170mm(),  and a Ritchey 135mm, 26.0 (might be what you're 
>> looking for). Regardless, if you don't need a long steering column, I 
>> highly recommend the Ritchey Force stems if you can scrounge up the size 
>> that would work for you.
>>
>> Jordan in Portland, Oregon
>>
>> [image: IMG_6005.jpg]
>> [image: IMG_6011.jpg]
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 1:39:02 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> For what it is worth Ron used 25.4 clamp size stems and claims & claims 
>>> they work great. Got to spread that clamp I guess.
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Mar 11, 2024, at 12:09 PM, El Sapo  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> Wish I would have understood the issues with the 26 mm handlebar clamp 
>>> prior to purchasing the Ortho Bar. No megusta.The pics posted by iamKeith 
>>> don’t show that his hair, beard, and hip vibe are much greater riding the 
>>> bike with ortho bars.
>>> On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 7:50:27 AM UTC-7 Chris K wrote:
>>>
 Thank you all for the pics and advice! Very helpful.

 I'm putting these bars on a 1985 Trek 870. As Riv says on their 
 cardboard geo charts "don't obsess", but geometrically this old frame is 
 not terribly far off some Riv models, setting aside, of course, bb drop 
 and 
 stack (1985 Trek 870: 21.8" frame, 71º hta, 71.5º sta, 58.0 tt, 48.5 cs, 
 5.0 drop, 52.7 stack, 40.6 reach).

 My current set-up is Choco bars and an 8cm Dirt Drop. The height feels 
 fine, just slightly above saddle height, and the reach isn't bad either 
 but 
 could be ~1" longer. I'm fairly upright but can lean in and grip forward 
 as 
 needed. I just like the idea of more width and more flare.

 Are these details helpful? I'm maybe leaning toward the 135mm 
 Faceplater based on your replies, but that does seem long!
 On Sunday, March 10, 2024 at 5:48:02 PM UTC-6 Dan wrote:

> [image: IMG_9267.jpeg]I’ve got these bars lined up for my Appaloosa 
> build. 
> My local bike shop had a NOS Velo Orange Grand Cru stem in 120mm that 
> looks pretty perfect. It’s 26.0, and having no rise should be slightly 
> longer in reality than its length number suggests. I’m hoping that the 
> wider clamp section will help it to grip the bars well too, despite the 
> single bolt. 
>
>
> On Monday 11 March 2024 at 03:33:24 UTC+10:30 Chris K wrote:
>
>> Hey all, I've got some Ortho Bars in my cart and looking for stem 
>> advice from those who use this bar. Obv there are multiple fit and frame 
>> factors that play into something like this, but curious what people are 
>> generally going with. Here are the options I'm deciding between:
>>
>> - Faceplater 110mm
>> - 

[RBW] 50cm Roadini (cont)

[Ron Cramer]

Hit send by accident.  $1300. Buyer pays shipping.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Ron's Ortho... stem question

[El Sapo]

Are those stems with the cable stops 26mm clamp?


On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 3:43:41 PM UTC-7 Jordan Rosenblum wrote:

> Not unlike other folks, I found the width of the Ortho's demanded a longer 
> stem than I use with Bosco and Tosco bars. Another option that I think sits 
> somewhere between a face-plater and other single bolt stems are the Ritchey 
> Force made by Nitto stems of the 90's, which you can occasionally find in 
> even longer lengths. They are steel with a single bolt—and very pretty. The 
> downside is that they don't have a ton of rise. As the poster above 
> mentions, I have successfully used a Ritchey 25.4 clamp diameter stem with 
> the 26.0 Ortho's, which were very secure—though I don't presume any 
> knowledge of whether this is long-term safe. 
>
> I saw this post just as I was prepping a for-sale post of similar stems on 
> another forum. If Chris or other folks are interested, the following are up 
> for grabs, I am going to create a new post so that I don't derail the 
> thread. These include a 120mm 25.4 faceplate stem, Ritchey 25.4 stems in 
> 150 and 170mm(),  and a Ritchey 135mm, 26.0 (might be what you're 
> looking for). Regardless, if you don't need a long steering column, I 
> highly recommend the Ritchey Force stems if you can scrounge up the size 
> that would work for you.
>
> Jordan in Portland, Oregon
>
> [image: IMG_6005.jpg]
> [image: IMG_6011.jpg]
>
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 1:39:02 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> For what it is worth Ron used 25.4 clamp size stems and claims & claims 
>> they work great. Got to spread that clamp I guess.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Mar 11, 2024, at 12:09 PM, El Sapo  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> Wish I would have understood the issues with the 26 mm handlebar clamp 
>> prior to purchasing the Ortho Bar. No megusta.The pics posted by iamKeith 
>> don’t show that his hair, beard, and hip vibe are much greater riding the 
>> bike with ortho bars.
>> On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 7:50:27 AM UTC-7 Chris K wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you all for the pics and advice! Very helpful.
>>>
>>> I'm putting these bars on a 1985 Trek 870. As Riv says on their 
>>> cardboard geo charts "don't obsess", but geometrically this old frame is 
>>> not terribly far off some Riv models, setting aside, of course, bb drop and 
>>> stack (1985 Trek 870: 21.8" frame, 71º hta, 71.5º sta, 58.0 tt, 48.5 cs, 
>>> 5.0 drop, 52.7 stack, 40.6 reach).
>>>
>>> My current set-up is Choco bars and an 8cm Dirt Drop. The height feels 
>>> fine, just slightly above saddle height, and the reach isn't bad either but 
>>> could be ~1" longer. I'm fairly upright but can lean in and grip forward as 
>>> needed. I just like the idea of more width and more flare.
>>>
>>> Are these details helpful? I'm maybe leaning toward the 135mm Faceplater 
>>> based on your replies, but that does seem long!
>>> On Sunday, March 10, 2024 at 5:48:02 PM UTC-6 Dan wrote:
>>>
 [image: IMG_9267.jpeg]I’ve got these bars lined up for my Appaloosa 
 build. 
 My local bike shop had a NOS Velo Orange Grand Cru stem in 120mm that 
 looks pretty perfect. It’s 26.0, and having no rise should be slightly 
 longer in reality than its length number suggests. I’m hoping that the 
 wider clamp section will help it to grip the bars well too, despite the 
 single bolt. 


 On Monday 11 March 2024 at 03:33:24 UTC+10:30 Chris K wrote:

> Hey all, I've got some Ortho Bars in my cart and looking for stem 
> advice from those who use this bar. Obv there are multiple fit and frame 
> factors that play into something like this, but curious what people are 
> generally going with. Here are the options I'm deciding between:
>
> - Faceplater 110mm
> - Faceplater 135mm
> - Tallux 12cm
>
> Will the 110 Faceplater be too short?
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Ron's Ortho... stem question

[El Sapo]

Is a 1 bolt clamp is going to be adequate on the ortho? The options for 
mounting this bar are almost all troublesome. Oversized clamp with a shim? 
Faceplater that’s too short? Undersized clamp? Or the one bolt quill made 
for a road bike?

If you’re putting these bars on an 80’s MTN bike with a road bike style 
geometry frame. is it better to go longer like 130mm?

I’m that guy Grant tells to not overthink it. Matter of fact he did tell me 
that once already.


On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 5:57:12 PM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Someone better buy that Ritchey Force it's the perfect size and spiritual 
> aesthetic for the Orthos. 
>
> On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 6:43:41 PM UTC-4 Jordan Rosenblum wrote:
>
>> Not unlike other folks, I found the width of the Ortho's demanded a 
>> longer stem than I use with Bosco and Tosco bars. Another option that I 
>> think sits somewhere between a face-plater and other single bolt stems are 
>> the Ritchey Force made by Nitto stems of the 90's, which you can 
>> occasionally find in even longer lengths. They are steel with a single 
>> bolt—and very pretty. The downside is that they don't have a ton of rise. 
>> As the poster above mentions, I have successfully used a Ritchey 25.4 clamp 
>> diameter stem with the 26.0 Ortho's, which were very secure—though I don't 
>> presume any knowledge of whether this is long-term safe. 
>>
>> I saw this post just as I was prepping a for-sale post of similar stems 
>> on another forum. If Chris or other folks are interested, the following are 
>> up for grabs, I am going to create a new post so that I don't derail the 
>> thread. These include a 120mm 25.4 faceplate stem, Ritchey 25.4 stems in 
>> 150 and 170mm(),  and a Ritchey 135mm, 26.0 (might be what you're 
>> looking for). Regardless, if you don't need a long steering column, I 
>> highly recommend the Ritchey Force stems if you can scrounge up the size 
>> that would work for you.
>>
>> Jordan in Portland, Oregon
>>
>> [image: IMG_6005.jpg]
>> [image: IMG_6011.jpg]
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 1:39:02 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> For what it is worth Ron used 25.4 clamp size stems and claims & claims 
>>> they work great. Got to spread that clamp I guess.
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Mar 11, 2024, at 12:09 PM, El Sapo  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> Wish I would have understood the issues with the 26 mm handlebar clamp 
>>> prior to purchasing the Ortho Bar. No megusta.The pics posted by iamKeith 
>>> don’t show that his hair, beard, and hip vibe are much greater riding the 
>>> bike with ortho bars.
>>> On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 7:50:27 AM UTC-7 Chris K wrote:
>>>
 Thank you all for the pics and advice! Very helpful.

 I'm putting these bars on a 1985 Trek 870. As Riv says on their 
 cardboard geo charts "don't obsess", but geometrically this old frame is 
 not terribly far off some Riv models, setting aside, of course, bb drop 
 and 
 stack (1985 Trek 870: 21.8" frame, 71º hta, 71.5º sta, 58.0 tt, 48.5 cs, 
 5.0 drop, 52.7 stack, 40.6 reach).

 My current set-up is Choco bars and an 8cm Dirt Drop. The height feels 
 fine, just slightly above saddle height, and the reach isn't bad either 
 but 
 could be ~1" longer. I'm fairly upright but can lean in and grip forward 
 as 
 needed. I just like the idea of more width and more flare.

 Are these details helpful? I'm maybe leaning toward the 135mm 
 Faceplater based on your replies, but that does seem long!
 On Sunday, March 10, 2024 at 5:48:02 PM UTC-6 Dan wrote:

> [image: IMG_9267.jpeg]I’ve got these bars lined up for my Appaloosa 
> build. 
> My local bike shop had a NOS Velo Orange Grand Cru stem in 120mm that 
> looks pretty perfect. It’s 26.0, and having no rise should be slightly 
> longer in reality than its length number suggests. I’m hoping that the 
> wider clamp section will help it to grip the bars well too, despite the 
> single bolt. 
>
>
> On Monday 11 March 2024 at 03:33:24 UTC+10:30 Chris K wrote:
>
>> Hey all, I've got some Ortho Bars in my cart and looking for stem 
>> advice from those who use this bar. Obv there are multiple fit and frame 
>> factors that play into something like this, but curious what people are 
>> generally going with. Here are the options I'm deciding between:
>>
>> - Faceplater 110mm
>> - Faceplater 135mm
>> - Tallux 12cm
>>
>> Will the 110 Faceplater be too short?
>>
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[RBW] Re: Kool Stop Cross Threaded Dual Compund Brake Pads - PSA

[Garth]

Yes, those don't have the required threaded post length with spacers. In 
fairness to the pads, the photo shows how short the threaded posts are. 
Stuff happens and you ride on. 

You'd do better with these that appear to have the required length and 
spacers :
https://www.modernbike.com/avid-shorty-6-cross-brake-pad--cartridge-holder-set
https://www.modernbike.com/trp-threaded-xc-pads-cnc-alloy-rim-black
On Tuesday, March 12, 2024 at 12:37:46 AM UTC-4 Mike Godwin wrote:

> Hello Folks
>
> rant cross-posted on ibob list
>
> I ordered one bike's work of these pads  Kool-Stop Cross Threaded with 
> Dura 2 Dual Compound Brake Pad | Tree Fort Bikes 
> 
>  since 
> Riv does not have the 55 mm long Yokozuna pads any longer (on their web 
> page anyway) to install on one bike's work Dia Compe 980s. The product 
> description indicates they are "compatible with most Shimano and Avid 
> cyclocross brake systems." Well they are not compatible with Dia Compe 980 
> brake systems. 
>
> The product photo shows a short post, but cheese louise, these are best 
> for sidepull or centerpull brakes. So that leads the question, what Shimano 
> and Avid sidepull or centerpull brakes are used on cyclocross rim brake 
> systems?  I asked for a refund because of their POS description, but "no 
> refunds if used."  Well, I didn't use the ephing pads because I can't even 
> install them with the correct rim/pad contact angle. What a POS. I betcha 
> the pad compound is very good, but what worthless customer support. Blah!!!
>
> Ok done, with rant, anyone want some half price brake pads?
>
> Mike "Yokozuna pads in the mail from Merry Sale
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Revisiting the Nitto 52f Basket Rack

[Tom Horton]

I think band on brake levers are just so yr bike won t roll  not to stop flopI ve also used a few kinds of steering dampers incl velo orange  they do helpBut not so well as steer stopperPeter white has something too but as i recall it s specific to a frame he sellsSent from my iPhoneOn Mar 11, 2024, at 7:01 PM, John Bokman  wrote:Yeah, but surely this isn't going to solve the problem of the front wheel flopping? Seems like the Steerstopper does solve a legitimate problem. I have no doubt that there are others (maybe less expensive). but how is a rubber band around a brake lever going to stop the wheel from flopping when on a workstand, for example? Or when packing panniers? Or when loading the bike onto a bike rack? Etc.Respectfully,JohnPortland, OROn Monday, March 11, 2024 at 12:10:56 PM UTC-7 Michael Morrissey wrote:Hi Leah,Your Platypus is going to be amazing. I advocate that you get the Velo Orange steering damper.However, to install it you are going to need to reroute your cables on the downtube. Here's what you need for that, which allows you to run full length outer housing. I have these for my rear brake on my Rivendell and they work great. As a bonus, you can get cool cable outers in a contrasting color (try Sim Works or Velo Orange for these): https://www.amazon.com/ZYAMY-Bicycle-Hydraulic-Housing-Clamps/dp/B095P4GPQZThe steerstopper is a cool farkle (fancy accessory really kewl likely expensive), but it's a $100 solution to a $10 problem. Try one of these on your front brake lever first as a parking brake:https://www.amazon.com/Nite-Ize-Original-Reusable-Assorted/dp/B00SHBNE8E/ref=asc_df_B00SHBNE8E/?tag=hyprod-20=df0=19807628==g=15513276014631186794c===9067609=pla-318105899700=1=CjwKCAjw17qvBhBrEiwA1rU9w2QBemfat-bZ6llmXU4aAVZxoNtAa1OXdctlHdbXqGK7DcyUwTEkvxoC9MkQAvD_BwEMichaelOn Monday, March 11, 2024 at 11:22:42 AM UTC-4 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:@Tom,Thank-you for your information. I appreciate it.  Kim Hetzel.On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 7:52:33 AM UTC-7 Tom Horton wrote:kim, re the steerstopper on a clem L, I've had one on a clem L 64 for a few years and works fineI don't load the front basket with bricks or anything ultra heavy, but load of groceries, books, etc...no problemsthe steerstopper guy wasn't sure it would work and even offered to make a custom, longer version of the steerstopper; but the regular one has been fine for me. you need to snug the receiver part up tight (but beware, you can strip the threads if you get too exuberant).  I'd recommend it for a clem L; also have them on a few other front basketed rivs, all good.On Sunday, March 10, 2024 at 12:34:26 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:Hi Friends,I’ve had a Nitto Basket Rack from Rivendell for a few years. I think it looks awesome, it’s dead useful, but it annoyed me that it was heavy and made my bars swing around on my mermaid Platy. But as I plan the build for my 50 cm purple Platy (which is taking a million years) I am considering putting the basket rack back into service. It pains me to see it sitting, and it’s so pretty and unique that I just want to give it another try. Maybe the 650b wheels will be less floppy with this rack? Maybe the smaller, lighter bike won’t seem as penalized by the heft of this rack? It would be such an easy experiment if it wasn’t for the dyno light/wiring that is affected by the decision. It’s not a matter of simply pulling the rack, because wire length, light mount, etc are affected and will not be an easy switch. My shop hates soldering and I certainly can’t do it. I had started a thread long ago about this and a lot of people reported similar experiences. Now that some more years have gone by, I’m curious if opinions have changed, or if more people have these racks and would offer their opinions. There isn’t much in the way of reviews to read online. Maybe some here would offer theirs. If more folks are trying and loving their Nitto Basket Racks, I’ll be likely to install mine. Meanwhile, this beautiful Platypus sits in my living room on the shelf, waiting for its parts to return from the anodizer. And, there’s fresh snow on the ground. But talking bikes will get me through!Leah



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