Re: [RBW] Re: How similar are the Bridgestone Atlantis (1), XO-1, All Rounder, Toyo Atlantis?

[Philip Williamson]

I would bet that it was a Riv spec, not a Bridgestone spec. 

Philip

On Wednesday, March 13, 2024 at 10:42:10 AM UTC-7 Bernard Duhon wrote:

> My Waterford custom 26 inch rim brake
> The speck sheet said “Atlantis” build
> I always thought they were copying  Riv specs
> Now I know it’s the Bridgestone specs
> Btw that’s my “winter” ride.
> PICT could be down the road from Brian’s ride
>
> Get Outlook for iOS 
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> *From:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com  on 
> behalf of Ian A 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 13, 2024 12:24:14 PM
> *To:* RBW Owners Bunch 
> *Subject:* [RBW] Re: How similar are the Bridgestone Atlantis (1), XO-1, 
> All Rounder, Toyo Atlantis? 
>  
> Tastes have changed. Disc brakes opened up a lot of design options for 
> randonneurs and touring bikes, making real rough stuff much more 
> manageable.  I have no intention of trading in my thin walled rSogn 650b 
> rim brake or my beloved and much abused Marinoni Turismo. But I bought the 
> Marinoni used in 2008 and the rSogn a number of years ago too now. Would I 
> buy the same if starting from scratch today? Not sure about that. I have 
> used the Marinoni for a lot rough stuff style touring and was seriously 
> underbiked in those times (all part of the fun and misery!). If I want to 
> take on the Baja Divide, I know the Marinoni just simply wouldn't be 
> appropriate, but there are many modern disc designs that could handle it 
> with aplomb.
>
> I love my two 26" bikes as well and have been stockpiling rims and even 
> brake pads to keep them in service. There are just so few options left in 
> keeping non-disc 26" bikes on the road, despite it being a versatile, 
> strong, light and awesome wheel size. The same can be said for 650b rim 
> brakes. Sometimes it's just more practical to follow the herd. Sometimes 
> the herd's got a point.
>
> IanA Alberta Canada
>
> On Tuesday, March 12, 2024 at 3:22:57 PM UTC-6 NYCbikeguy wrote:
>
> I'd like to defer this question to all of you knowledgeable riv owners out 
> there- 
> I want to know how these frames evolved, what's different/the same, and 
> are there any modern equivalents in terms of frame geometry? and finally... 
> what's stopping frame builders from building this sort of cross between 
> road/MTB on 26 inch wheels?
>
> pic for enjoyment. (insta @autodidactic_bikemechanic)
>
> [image: IMG_5314.jpg]
>
> Best,
> IY
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Re: [RBW] Re: Revisiting the Nitto 52f Basket Rack

[ian m]

Maybe it will lessen your dyno wiring worries but depending on the light 
you're running it's really easy to DIY a solution. The Busch and Muller 
wires are just like speaker wires and you can splice them together with 
very little effort. The wiring and connectors are available from a few 
spots like Analog Cycles and you just need to crimp a connector onto a 
wire. No soldering needed, I don't know how to either. Then you have a 
quick disconnect and when you decide you have an end result you're happy 
with you can put a heat shrink tube over the connection and hit it with a 
lighter to weatherproof the connection. Easy Peasy, really

On Wednesday, March 13, 2024 at 7:52:53 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Do did anyone get this rack and love it? I got a lot of suggestions about 
> how to stop wheel flop but I didn’t read a lot of reviews of this rack. 
> Anyone else?
> 
> I like the Velcro strap idea because it’s easy to take it off me and slap 
> it on the bike. I also think I just have to suffer the annoyance of the 
> front rack one *one* bike. I used to love my Nitto Big Front Rack from my 
> dog carrying days seen here: 
>
> [image: IMG_0488.PNG]
>
> [image: IMG_0486.PNG]
>
> I’m sure I had wheel flop. Did I not notice? Anyway, could one GET a 
> bigger basket? No. And I only had that giant rack so I could take that dog 
> along because he was such a nag. 
>
> Ok, I’ll just put the rack on because I have it and it’s pretty and it’s 
> useful. And then I’ll change my mind all over again and mess up my dyno 
> wiring and come here crying about it. This is the way.
> Leah
>
>
> On Mar 12, 2024, at 4:19 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
> 
>
> The best parking brake, in my opinion, is the sturdy velcro leg band off 
> my pants leg.  I have it, and don't need it on my leg, since I'm parking my 
> bike.  When I take off the parking brake it reminds me to put my leg band 
> back on :). 
>
> For steer-stopping, I keep a longer velcro strap connected to each of my 
> two tandems (one HubbuHubbuH, one beater tandem).  When I park the tandem, 
> I route the velcro strap around the down tube and the front wheel and pull 
> it tight.  Now I can lean the machine against the wall or pole or fence and 
> it stays a single rigid object, and prevents the front wheel turning.  It's 
> a good system for that task.  If "parking flop" is the entirety of the 
> problem, that's a $10 solution to "parking flop".  If "riding flop" or 
> "steering flop" is part/all of the problem, a strap won't help you.  
>
> I bought some Stout 650B tires, and strangely each tire came with this 
> curiously nice long velcro strap.  It was too nice to toss, so I looked for 
> a good reason to use it.  It's ~twice as long as a leg band.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 12:10:56 PM UTC-7 Michael Morrissey wrote:
>
>> Hi Leah,
>>
>> Your Platypus is going to be amazing. I advocate that you get the Velo 
>> Orange steering damper.
>>
>> However, to install it you are going to need to reroute your cables on 
>> the downtube. Here's what you need for that, which allows you to run full 
>> length outer housing. I have these for my rear brake on my Rivendell and 
>> they work great. As a bonus, you can get cool cable outers in a contrasting 
>> color (try Sim Works or Velo Orange for these): 
>>
>> https://www.amazon.com/ZYAMY-Bicycle-Hydraulic-Housing-Clamps/dp/B095P4GPQZ
>>
>> The steerstopper is a cool farkle (fancy accessory really kewl likely 
>> expensive), but it's a $100 solution to a $10 problem. Try one of these on 
>> your front brake lever first as a parking brake:
>>
>> https://www.amazon.com/Nite-Ize-Original-Reusable-Assorted/dp/B00SHBNE8E/ref=asc_df_B00SHBNE8E/?tag=hyprod-20=df0=19807628==g=15513276014631186794c===9067609=pla-318105899700=1=CjwKCAjw17qvBhBrEiwA1rU9w2QBemfat-bZ6llmXU4aAVZxoNtAa1OXdctlHdbXqGK7DcyUwTEkvxoC9MkQAvD_BwE
>>
>> Michael
>> On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 11:22:42 AM UTC-4 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> @Tom,
>>> Thank-you for your information. I appreciate it.  
>>>
>>> Kim Hetzel.
>>>
>>> On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 7:52:33 AM UTC-7 Tom Horton wrote:
>>>
 kim, re the steerstopper on a clem L, I've had one on a clem L 64 for a 
 few years and works fineI don't load the front basket with bricks or 
 anything ultra heavy, but load of groceries, books, etc...no 
 problemsthe steerstopper guy wasn't sure it would work and even 
 offered 
 to make a custom, longer version of the steerstopper; but the regular one 
 has been fine for me. you need to snug the receiver part up tight (but 
 beware, you can strip the threads if you get too exuberant).  I'd 
 recommend 
 it for a clem L; also have them on a few other front basketed rivs, all 
 good.


 On Sunday, March 10, 2024 at 12:34:26 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
 wrote:

> [image: IMG_5598.jpeg][image: IMG_5582.jpeg]Hi Friends,
>

Re: [RBW] Re: Revisiting the Nitto 52f Basket Rack

[Johnny Alien]

More dog photos please.

On Wednesday, March 13, 2024 at 7:52:53 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Do did anyone get this rack and love it? I got a lot of suggestions about 
> how to stop wheel flop but I didn’t read a lot of reviews of this rack. 
> Anyone else?
> 
> I like the Velcro strap idea because it’s easy to take it off me and slap 
> it on the bike. I also think I just have to suffer the annoyance of the 
> front rack one *one* bike. I used to love my Nitto Big Front Rack from my 
> dog carrying days seen here: 
>
> [image: IMG_0488.PNG]
>
> [image: IMG_0486.PNG]
>
> I’m sure I had wheel flop. Did I not notice? Anyway, could one GET a 
> bigger basket? No. And I only had that giant rack so I could take that dog 
> along because he was such a nag. 
>
> Ok, I’ll just put the rack on because I have it and it’s pretty and it’s 
> useful. And then I’ll change my mind all over again and mess up my dyno 
> wiring and come here crying about it. This is the way.
> Leah
>
>
> On Mar 12, 2024, at 4:19 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
> 
>
> The best parking brake, in my opinion, is the sturdy velcro leg band off 
> my pants leg.  I have it, and don't need it on my leg, since I'm parking my 
> bike.  When I take off the parking brake it reminds me to put my leg band 
> back on :). 
>
> For steer-stopping, I keep a longer velcro strap connected to each of my 
> two tandems (one HubbuHubbuH, one beater tandem).  When I park the tandem, 
> I route the velcro strap around the down tube and the front wheel and pull 
> it tight.  Now I can lean the machine against the wall or pole or fence and 
> it stays a single rigid object, and prevents the front wheel turning.  It's 
> a good system for that task.  If "parking flop" is the entirety of the 
> problem, that's a $10 solution to "parking flop".  If "riding flop" or 
> "steering flop" is part/all of the problem, a strap won't help you.  
>
> I bought some Stout 650B tires, and strangely each tire came with this 
> curiously nice long velcro strap.  It was too nice to toss, so I looked for 
> a good reason to use it.  It's ~twice as long as a leg band.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 12:10:56 PM UTC-7 Michael Morrissey wrote:
>
>> Hi Leah,
>>
>> Your Platypus is going to be amazing. I advocate that you get the Velo 
>> Orange steering damper.
>>
>> However, to install it you are going to need to reroute your cables on 
>> the downtube. Here's what you need for that, which allows you to run full 
>> length outer housing. I have these for my rear brake on my Rivendell and 
>> they work great. As a bonus, you can get cool cable outers in a contrasting 
>> color (try Sim Works or Velo Orange for these): 
>>
>> https://www.amazon.com/ZYAMY-Bicycle-Hydraulic-Housing-Clamps/dp/B095P4GPQZ
>>
>> The steerstopper is a cool farkle (fancy accessory really kewl likely 
>> expensive), but it's a $100 solution to a $10 problem. Try one of these on 
>> your front brake lever first as a parking brake:
>>
>> https://www.amazon.com/Nite-Ize-Original-Reusable-Assorted/dp/B00SHBNE8E/ref=asc_df_B00SHBNE8E/?tag=hyprod-20=df0=19807628==g=15513276014631186794c===9067609=pla-318105899700=1=CjwKCAjw17qvBhBrEiwA1rU9w2QBemfat-bZ6llmXU4aAVZxoNtAa1OXdctlHdbXqGK7DcyUwTEkvxoC9MkQAvD_BwE
>>
>> Michael
>> On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 11:22:42 AM UTC-4 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> @Tom,
>>> Thank-you for your information. I appreciate it.  
>>>
>>> Kim Hetzel.
>>>
>>> On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 7:52:33 AM UTC-7 Tom Horton wrote:
>>>
 kim, re the steerstopper on a clem L, I've had one on a clem L 64 for a 
 few years and works fineI don't load the front basket with bricks or 
 anything ultra heavy, but load of groceries, books, etc...no 
 problemsthe steerstopper guy wasn't sure it would work and even 
 offered 
 to make a custom, longer version of the steerstopper; but the regular one 
 has been fine for me. you need to snug the receiver part up tight (but 
 beware, you can strip the threads if you get too exuberant).  I'd 
 recommend 
 it for a clem L; also have them on a few other front basketed rivs, all 
 good.


 On Sunday, March 10, 2024 at 12:34:26 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
 wrote:

> [image: IMG_5598.jpeg][image: IMG_5582.jpeg]Hi Friends,
>
> I’ve had a Nitto Basket Rack from Rivendell for a few years. I think 
> it looks awesome, it’s dead useful, but it annoyed me that it was heavy 
> and 
> made my bars swing around on my mermaid Platy. But as I plan the build 
> for 
> my 50 cm purple Platy (which is taking a million years) I am considering 
> putting the basket rack back into service. It pains me to see it sitting, 
> and it’s so pretty and unique that I just want to give it another try. 
> Maybe the 650b wheels will be less floppy with this rack? Maybe the 
> smaller, lighter bike won’t seem as 

[RBW] Re: How similar are the Bridgestone Atlantis (1), XO-1, All Rounder, Toyo Atlantis?

[ian m]

On Wednesday, March 13, 2024 at 1:24:14 PM UTC-4 Ian A wrote:

I love my two 26" bikes as well and have been stockpiling rims and even 
brake pads to keep them in service. There are just so few options left in 
keeping non-disc 26" bikes on the road, despite it being a versatile, 
strong, light and awesome wheel size. 


The first wheelset I built myself has Riv prototype hubs (Velocity made? 
Maybe Bitex) laced to 26" ceramic Mavic rims and I didn't think I'd want to 
switch to 26" disc wheels until I found myself trying to find ceramic brake 
pads for the v-brakes and paid a *dumb* amount for some. 

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[RBW] Re: Roadini on F1 Track ride report

[John Rinker]

That's very cool, Mike. The promo video really captures how much fun it 
must be to ride those 20 turns, and it looks like there are some good 
swimmin' holes in which to cool off!  How long is the track? 

Thanks for sharing. 

Cheers, John

On Wednesday, March 13, 2024 at 3:05:13 PM UTC-7 Tom M wrote:

> Love the bar tape. Sounds like a good time.
> Tom in Alexandria, VA
>
> On Wednesday, March 13, 2024 at 4:37:05 PM UTC-4 mrg...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Howdy,
>>
>> We have a Formula 1 track in Austin called Circuit of the Americas and on 
>> many Tuesdays they have a bike night. Last night was the first one of the 
>> season. 
>>
>> The track is about a 3.36 mile loop with 1 very steep (11%) uphill (and 
>> corresponding steep downhill). The pavement is so smooth and free of 
>> debris, in certain places it makes a satisfying sticky-grippy sound as the 
>> tires roll. There is a bypass for the big hill if one does not want to do 
>> it every lap.  
>>
>> Aside from the novelty of riding on an F1 race track, the really special 
>> thing about it is it's just nice to ride somewhere without having a single 
>> thought about cars or having to stop for any reason. There's so much space. 
>> Everyone can ride at the pace they want. There are some really fun slight 
>> descent sections that are a blast to pedal hard and get going really fast 
>> under my own power (i.e. not just hill induced). Or just toodle around with 
>> your legs outstretched singing out loud.
>>
>> I brought my 57 Roadini and had a lovely time. This time was neat because 
>> my friend brought his 8-year-old twins who'd never been before. I was 
>> impressed they did the big downhill (I wouldn't have been brave enough at 
>> that age.)
>>
>> Definitely worth checking out if you're within striking range of Austin, 
>> especially before it gets too hot.
>>
>> Mike 
>>
>> https://circuitoftheamericas.com/bike-night/
>>
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2024

[Elisabeth Sherwood]

47cm upright Homer Hilson spotted on Craigslist here in the DC/Northern 
Virginia area.  (Not mine, other disclaimers, etc.!)

https://washingtondc.craigslist.org/nva/bik/d/reston-rivendell-homer-hilsen/7726857824.html

Liz
Washington, DC
On Wednesday, March 13, 2024 at 1:55:25 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Haha.  $700 would be a very good deal.  
>
> I'm intrigued by. his front rack.  I have two copies of that rack and mine 
> don't have a fender attachment point.  That spot is pretty important for a 
> full coverage metal fender setup.  I may throw him an offer for only the 
> racks, and see what happens.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Wednesday, March 13, 2024 at 10:24:06 AM UTC-7 chefd...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Maybe an accidental extra zero /  a misplaced decimal point???
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 13, 2024 at 9:59:37 AM UTC-7 LBleriot wrote:
>>
>>> Yikes!  I would love to add a Heron Touring to go with my Road, but this 
>>> Ebay listing is kind of a silly way to solicit real offers.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, March 13, 2024 at 12:26:30 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 Obviously the Chris King Headset Composite Index has gone through the 
 roof.

 On Tue, Mar 12, 2024 at 6:37 PM Josh C  wrote:

> wow
>
> On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 3:33:10 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> $7000  In a word, HA!  At least they are taking offers...  
>>
>> BL in EC
>>
>> On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 12:28:26 PM UTC-7 Michael Morrissey 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Heron Touring 
>>> 55cm
>>> $7000
>>> Walled Lake, Michigan
>>> Rare rare rare parts like Titanium Chris King headset, Nitto racks, 
>>> and full Campagnolo...
>>>
>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/176156925449?itmmeta=01HRQFP37XW2ZW9W57MX91XV8H=item2903c55e09:g:1-QAAOSwlT9le1Vr=enc%3AAQAI4A7jbJYmJLb0qhGidg8sdvoie5vcUpIvYrS%2BSMvrLJLvPiSDvKpjMsaHlJTCd1soc%2BS7lyI3DhBCJIMPjYbsw%2Bz2jx3FF1A8HaYOsrSGCGDojnJMNqrJC9m0GJvRkaVV7ejS4wIjNmkGPkl5PLpOEQlbXY8ub8%2FhPJelndP333HN%2B5YXfIBsGZBcK%2BedK1MLmQWY7kHqX4c4AzxDVzG%2B1rJVrllsTotNUBw2pKEhm%2BQDzzEV4sTfCquOQ0jScQhSElZQaXk3KjAGccNhRMGhT54kCgPjyFiebEPpJtvqbTfN%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR4C02O_FYw
>>>
>>> On Sunday, March 3, 2024 at 5:36:38 PM UTC-5 Matthew Williams wrote:
>>>
 Roadini
 57cm
 2000
 Emeryville, CA


 https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/emeryville-rivendell-leo-roadini/7720529232.html

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[RBW] Re: Roadini on F1 Track ride report

['Tom M' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Love the bar tape. Sounds like a good time.
Tom in Alexandria, VA

On Wednesday, March 13, 2024 at 4:37:05 PM UTC-4 mrg...@gmail.com wrote:

> Howdy,
>
> We have a Formula 1 track in Austin called Circuit of the Americas and on 
> many Tuesdays they have a bike night. Last night was the first one of the 
> season. 
>
> The track is about a 3.36 mile loop with 1 very steep (11%) uphill (and 
> corresponding steep downhill). The pavement is so smooth and free of 
> debris, in certain places it makes a satisfying sticky-grippy sound as the 
> tires roll. There is a bypass for the big hill if one does not want to do 
> it every lap.  
>
> Aside from the novelty of riding on an F1 race track, the really special 
> thing about it is it's just nice to ride somewhere without having a single 
> thought about cars or having to stop for any reason. There's so much space. 
> Everyone can ride at the pace they want. There are some really fun slight 
> descent sections that are a blast to pedal hard and get going really fast 
> under my own power (i.e. not just hill induced). Or just toodle around with 
> your legs outstretched singing out loud.
>
> I brought my 57 Roadini and had a lovely time. This time was neat because 
> my friend brought his 8-year-old twins who'd never been before. I was 
> impressed they did the big downhill (I wouldn't have been brave enough at 
> that age.)
>
> Definitely worth checking out if you're within striking range of Austin, 
> especially before it gets too hot.
>
> Mike 
>
> https://circuitoftheamericas.com/bike-night/
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Bags Bags Bags (BXB, Sackville, Apidura)

[Collin A]

Final bag is gone, thanks all and enjoy the warm weather.

Collin

On Tuesday, March 12, 2024 at 6:08:57 PM UTC-7 Collin A wrote:

> And the BXB bag has sold...
>
> All that's left is the littlest bag boy. Get it in Olive while you still 
> can...
>
> On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 9:25:41 AM UTC-7 Collin A wrote:
>
>> Apidura bag has sold, the bagboy and BXB bag are still available...
>>
>> On Sunday, March 10, 2024 at 8:37:15 AM UTC-7 Collin A wrote:
>>
>>> Still got 'em, don't be afraid to make an offer...
>>>
>>> Collin in Berktown
>>>
>>> On Thursday, February 29, 2024 at 8:33:32 PM UTC-8 Collin A wrote:
>>>
 Folks,

 Cleaning out the garage and I'm posting some spare bags that I'm not 
 using anymore!
 Photos here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/5nMqbvpGJVPSDqiR6

 Sackville Bagboy Olive, Older version without D-rings or skid plate. 
 Unused except for a short jaunt to get some groceries, practically new 
 when 
 acquired from Bill several months ago. The wife prefers her 
 panniers...*asking 
 for $160 shipped*

 BagxBird better half frame bag. This is the older/prototype bag, black 
 camo with maglock, size medium (at the time). Fits great on at least a 
 47.5 
 AHH, 51 Appaloosa, and a 52H clem. Comes with free dirt from Mt Tam and 
 some sand from the American River :) A*sking for $70 shipped. *This is 
 probably the closest: Better Half - Small Long (S-M Bikes) | Bags by 
 Bird (bagsxbird.com) 
 

 Apidura top tube bag, 1L size. It's pretty svelte and quite waterproof! 
 All my bikes have brake braze-ons or the top tubes are too short to avoid 
 thigh rub when pedaling out of the saddle. *Asking $50 shipped*. Racing 
 Top Tube Pack | Apidura 
 

 Cheers,
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Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2024

[Bill Lindsay]

Haha.  $700 would be a very good deal.  

I'm intrigued by. his front rack.  I have two copies of that rack and mine 
don't have a fender attachment point.  That spot is pretty important for a 
full coverage metal fender setup.  I may throw him an offer for only the 
racks, and see what happens.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Wednesday, March 13, 2024 at 10:24:06 AM UTC-7 chefd...@gmail.com wrote:

> Maybe an accidental extra zero /  a misplaced decimal point???
>
> On Wednesday, March 13, 2024 at 9:59:37 AM UTC-7 LBleriot wrote:
>
>> Yikes!  I would love to add a Heron Touring to go with my Road, but this 
>> Ebay listing is kind of a silly way to solicit real offers.
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 13, 2024 at 12:26:30 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Obviously the Chris King Headset Composite Index has gone through the 
>>> roof.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 12, 2024 at 6:37 PM Josh C  wrote:
>>>
 wow

 On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 3:33:10 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> $7000  In a word, HA!  At least they are taking offers...  
>
> BL in EC
>
> On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 12:28:26 PM UTC-7 Michael Morrissey wrote:
>
>> Heron Touring 
>> 55cm
>> $7000
>> Walled Lake, Michigan
>> Rare rare rare parts like Titanium Chris King headset, Nitto racks, 
>> and full Campagnolo...
>>
>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/176156925449?itmmeta=01HRQFP37XW2ZW9W57MX91XV8H=item2903c55e09:g:1-QAAOSwlT9le1Vr=enc%3AAQAI4A7jbJYmJLb0qhGidg8sdvoie5vcUpIvYrS%2BSMvrLJLvPiSDvKpjMsaHlJTCd1soc%2BS7lyI3DhBCJIMPjYbsw%2Bz2jx3FF1A8HaYOsrSGCGDojnJMNqrJC9m0GJvRkaVV7ejS4wIjNmkGPkl5PLpOEQlbXY8ub8%2FhPJelndP333HN%2B5YXfIBsGZBcK%2BedK1MLmQWY7kHqX4c4AzxDVzG%2B1rJVrllsTotNUBw2pKEhm%2BQDzzEV4sTfCquOQ0jScQhSElZQaXk3KjAGccNhRMGhT54kCgPjyFiebEPpJtvqbTfN%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR4C02O_FYw
>>
>> On Sunday, March 3, 2024 at 5:36:38 PM UTC-5 Matthew Williams wrote:
>>
>>> Roadini
>>> 57cm
>>> 2000
>>> Emeryville, CA
>>>
>>>
>>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/emeryville-rivendell-leo-roadini/7720529232.html
>>>
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[RBW] FS - VO Happy Stem, 90mm

['Bikie#4646' via RBW Owners Bunch]

(Please forgive the cross-post on the I-BOB list.)
I purchased a VO Happy Stem in the 90mm length and used it for about 50 
miles. It has VO's usual attention to details and polish. But I found 
another solution and hoping someone can make use of it now.
[image: IMG_8371.jpeg] 
Details: 
1-1/8" Threadless , 90mm length (resulting in 97mm vertical height.) 45 
degree rise. 
This stem is designed for 31.8mm bars but I can supply the VO alloy shims 
(25.4mm-to-31.8mm) as seen in my images and listed on their web site at 
$12.00. Yours for $6.00 additional if you need them. (I used them 
successfully with 26mm bars.)  
203g weight.
Additional info: Will not work with a threadless adapter. Long compression 
bolt means no stem cap required. 
As seen on the VO web site: 
https://velo-orange.com/collections/threadless-stems/products/vo-happy-stem-31-8mm?variant=50655225223
Flickr images: 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/albums/72177720315437684/
MSRP: $46 (plus tax & shipping) Yours shipped USPS at my expense for $36, 
plus $6 if you need the handlebar shims.
Reply off list for questions please.
Thanks,
Paul Germain
Midlothian, Va.

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[RBW] Re: How similar are the Bridgestone Atlantis (1), XO-1, All Rounder, Toyo Atlantis?

[Ian A]

Tastes have changed. Disc brakes opened up a lot of design options for 
randonneurs and touring bikes, making real rough stuff much more 
manageable.  I have no intention of trading in my thin walled rSogn 650b 
rim brake or my beloved and much abused Marinoni Turismo. But I bought the 
Marinoni used in 2008 and the rSogn a number of years ago too now. Would I 
buy the same if starting from scratch today? Not sure about that. I have 
used the Marinoni for a lot rough stuff style touring and was seriously 
underbiked in those times (all part of the fun and misery!). If I want to 
take on the Baja Divide, I know the Marinoni just simply wouldn't be 
appropriate, but there are many modern disc designs that could handle it 
with aplomb.

I love my two 26" bikes as well and have been stockpiling rims and even 
brake pads to keep them in service. There are just so few options left in 
keeping non-disc 26" bikes on the road, despite it being a versatile, 
strong, light and awesome wheel size. The same can be said for 650b rim 
brakes. Sometimes it's just more practical to follow the herd. Sometimes 
the herd's got a point.

IanA Alberta Canada

On Tuesday, March 12, 2024 at 3:22:57 PM UTC-6 NYCbikeguy wrote:

> I'd like to defer this question to all of you knowledgeable riv owners out 
> there-
> I want to know how these frames evolved, what's different/the same, and 
> are there any modern equivalents in terms of frame geometry? and finally... 
> what's stopping frame builders from building this sort of cross between 
> road/MTB on 26 inch wheels?
>
> pic for enjoyment. (insta @autodidactic_bikemechanic)
>
> [image: IMG_5314.jpg]
>
> Best,
> IY
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Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2024

[Stephen Durfee]

Maybe an accidental extra zero /  a misplaced decimal point???

On Wednesday, March 13, 2024 at 9:59:37 AM UTC-7 LBleriot wrote:

> Yikes!  I would love to add a Heron Touring to go with my Road, but this 
> Ebay listing is kind of a silly way to solicit real offers.
>
> On Wednesday, March 13, 2024 at 12:26:30 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Obviously the Chris King Headset Composite Index has gone through the 
>> roof.
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 12, 2024 at 6:37 PM Josh C  wrote:
>>
>>> wow
>>>
>>> On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 3:33:10 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 $7000  In a word, HA!  At least they are taking offers...  

 BL in EC

 On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 12:28:26 PM UTC-7 Michael Morrissey wrote:

> Heron Touring 
> 55cm
> $7000
> Walled Lake, Michigan
> Rare rare rare parts like Titanium Chris King headset, Nitto racks, 
> and full Campagnolo...
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/176156925449?itmmeta=01HRQFP37XW2ZW9W57MX91XV8H=item2903c55e09:g:1-QAAOSwlT9le1Vr=enc%3AAQAI4A7jbJYmJLb0qhGidg8sdvoie5vcUpIvYrS%2BSMvrLJLvPiSDvKpjMsaHlJTCd1soc%2BS7lyI3DhBCJIMPjYbsw%2Bz2jx3FF1A8HaYOsrSGCGDojnJMNqrJC9m0GJvRkaVV7ejS4wIjNmkGPkl5PLpOEQlbXY8ub8%2FhPJelndP333HN%2B5YXfIBsGZBcK%2BedK1MLmQWY7kHqX4c4AzxDVzG%2B1rJVrllsTotNUBw2pKEhm%2BQDzzEV4sTfCquOQ0jScQhSElZQaXk3KjAGccNhRMGhT54kCgPjyFiebEPpJtvqbTfN%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR4C02O_FYw
>
> On Sunday, March 3, 2024 at 5:36:38 PM UTC-5 Matthew Williams wrote:
>
>> Roadini
>> 57cm
>> 2000
>> Emeryville, CA
>>
>>
>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/emeryville-rivendell-leo-roadini/7720529232.html
>>
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Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2024

[LBleriot]

Yikes!  I would love to add a Heron Touring to go with my Road, but this 
Ebay listing is kind of a silly way to solicit real offers.

On Wednesday, March 13, 2024 at 12:26:30 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Obviously the Chris King Headset Composite Index has gone through the roof.
>
> On Tue, Mar 12, 2024 at 6:37 PM Josh C  wrote:
>
>> wow
>>
>> On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 3:33:10 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> $7000  In a word, HA!  At least they are taking offers...  
>>>
>>> BL in EC
>>>
>>> On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 12:28:26 PM UTC-7 Michael Morrissey wrote:
>>>
 Heron Touring 
 55cm
 $7000
 Walled Lake, Michigan
 Rare rare rare parts like Titanium Chris King headset, Nitto racks, and 
 full Campagnolo...

 https://www.ebay.com/itm/176156925449?itmmeta=01HRQFP37XW2ZW9W57MX91XV8H=item2903c55e09:g:1-QAAOSwlT9le1Vr=enc%3AAQAI4A7jbJYmJLb0qhGidg8sdvoie5vcUpIvYrS%2BSMvrLJLvPiSDvKpjMsaHlJTCd1soc%2BS7lyI3DhBCJIMPjYbsw%2Bz2jx3FF1A8HaYOsrSGCGDojnJMNqrJC9m0GJvRkaVV7ejS4wIjNmkGPkl5PLpOEQlbXY8ub8%2FhPJelndP333HN%2B5YXfIBsGZBcK%2BedK1MLmQWY7kHqX4c4AzxDVzG%2B1rJVrllsTotNUBw2pKEhm%2BQDzzEV4sTfCquOQ0jScQhSElZQaXk3KjAGccNhRMGhT54kCgPjyFiebEPpJtvqbTfN%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR4C02O_FYw

 On Sunday, March 3, 2024 at 5:36:38 PM UTC-5 Matthew Williams wrote:

> Roadini
> 57cm
> 2000
> Emeryville, CA
>
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/emeryville-rivendell-leo-roadini/7720529232.html
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Re: [RBW] Re: Ron's Ortho... stem question

[Chris Kannen]

Seems to be good agreement on the clamp mismatch.

Ron replied to a query about it with "the 4 bolt will meld to the slightly
larger diameter just fine -- if not a little better than a 1 or 2 bolt."



On Wed, Mar 13, 2024 at 10:23 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> +1 for the Ritchey Force stems; IME they clamp bars more immovably than
> single-bolt Nitto stems possibly because of their wider clamps.
>
> And +1 for using 25.4 mm steel stems with 26.0 bars. I used to regularly
> install 26.4 ("point 4") mm Cinelli Giro d'Italias into Salsa and Tioga
> mountain bike stems with 25.4 clamps in order to get them high enough on
> low-stack mountain bikes and XO-1. I never had problems getting the bar's
> curves around the wide, square clamps, or afterward while riding the
> combination. I do think that, as I did later, Nitto Dirt Drop stems or
> customs -- I had a couple made by Salsa -- are better.
>
> And +1 for not prying wider a forged aluminum stem.
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 12, 2024 at 10:11 PM iamkeith  wrote:
>
>> FWIW, from many years of doing so, I'll second the suggestion (not a
>> promise or recommendation - disclaimer and all that) that 25.4 stems CAN
>> work ok with 26.0 bars.  But the only ones Ive had scuccess with are
>> high-end steel stems with a single bolt clamp.  They tend to have thinner
>> steel that can bend and conform to the larger diameter bars.  Especially
>> the Salsa ones, but also the Ritchey Force ones being discussed here.  I
>> don't want to discourage you from trying - and it's a relatively cheap
>> experiment - but I'm less certain it'll work with a removable faceplate
>> construction.  Less of the material around the clamp circumference is
>> un-restrained and free to flex.  It might work BETTER - I just don’t know.
>> Tighten slowly and methodically, and watch to make sure that it's the steel
>> stem that gets deformed, and not the aluminum handlebar.  I know it's not
>> your current plan, but don't pry open a forged aluminum stem to fit a
>> bigger bar.  Lastly,  the safe option is still a 31.8 faceplater stem with
>> a 26.0 shim.  I get it if you want to try a 26.0 stem first though.  Just
>> please let us know how it works out.
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Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2024

[Patrick Moore]

Obviously the Chris King Headset Composite Index has gone through the roof.

On Tue, Mar 12, 2024 at 6:37 PM Josh C  wrote:

> wow
>
> On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 3:33:10 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> $7000  In a word, HA!  At least they are taking offers...
>>
>> BL in EC
>>
>> On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 12:28:26 PM UTC-7 Michael Morrissey wrote:
>>
>>> Heron Touring
>>> 55cm
>>> $7000
>>> Walled Lake, Michigan
>>> Rare rare rare parts like Titanium Chris King headset, Nitto racks, and
>>> full Campagnolo...
>>>
>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/176156925449?itmmeta=01HRQFP37XW2ZW9W57MX91XV8H=item2903c55e09:g:1-QAAOSwlT9le1Vr=enc%3AAQAI4A7jbJYmJLb0qhGidg8sdvoie5vcUpIvYrS%2BSMvrLJLvPiSDvKpjMsaHlJTCd1soc%2BS7lyI3DhBCJIMPjYbsw%2Bz2jx3FF1A8HaYOsrSGCGDojnJMNqrJC9m0GJvRkaVV7ejS4wIjNmkGPkl5PLpOEQlbXY8ub8%2FhPJelndP333HN%2B5YXfIBsGZBcK%2BedK1MLmQWY7kHqX4c4AzxDVzG%2B1rJVrllsTotNUBw2pKEhm%2BQDzzEV4sTfCquOQ0jScQhSElZQaXk3KjAGccNhRMGhT54kCgPjyFiebEPpJtvqbTfN%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR4C02O_FYw
>>>
>>> On Sunday, March 3, 2024 at 5:36:38 PM UTC-5 Matthew Williams wrote:
>>>
 Roadini
 57cm
 2000
 Emeryville, CA


 https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/emeryville-rivendell-leo-roadini/7720529232.html

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Re: [RBW] Re: Ron's Ortho... stem question

[Patrick Moore]

+1 for the Ritchey Force stems; IME they clamp bars more immovably than
single-bolt Nitto stems possibly because of their wider clamps.

And +1 for using 25.4 mm steel stems with 26.0 bars. I used to regularly
install 26.4 ("point 4") mm Cinelli Giro d'Italias into Salsa and Tioga
mountain bike stems with 25.4 clamps in order to get them high enough on
low-stack mountain bikes and XO-1. I never had problems getting the bar's
curves around the wide, square clamps, or afterward while riding the
combination. I do think that, as I did later, Nitto Dirt Drop stems or
customs -- I had a couple made by Salsa -- are better.

And +1 for not prying wider a forged aluminum stem.


On Tue, Mar 12, 2024 at 10:11 PM iamkeith  wrote:

> FWIW, from many years of doing so, I'll second the suggestion (not a
> promise or recommendation - disclaimer and all that) that 25.4 stems CAN
> work ok with 26.0 bars.  But the only ones Ive had scuccess with are
> high-end steel stems with a single bolt clamp.  They tend to have thinner
> steel that can bend and conform to the larger diameter bars.  Especially
> the Salsa ones, but also the Ritchey Force ones being discussed here.  I
> don't want to discourage you from trying - and it's a relatively cheap
> experiment - but I'm less certain it'll work with a removable faceplate
> construction.  Less of the material around the clamp circumference is
> un-restrained and free to flex.  It might work BETTER - I just don’t know.
> Tighten slowly and methodically, and watch to make sure that it's the steel
> stem that gets deformed, and not the aluminum handlebar.  I know it's not
> your current plan, but don't pry open a forged aluminum stem to fit a
> bigger bar.  Lastly,  the safe option is still a 31.8 faceplater stem with
> a 26.0 shim.  I get it if you want to try a 26.0 stem first though.  Just
> please let us know how it works out.

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