Re: [RBW] Rivendell Roadbike Curious

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Leah,Did I miss the part where you got a professional fitting somewhere local to you and then ordered a Custom Riv Road just for you? Heck, you could build a step thru custom Riv Road if you wanted! I bet that will be a beautiful bike. Yours, Riv Sister Liz On Apr 21, 2024, at 14:29, Chris Halasz  wrote:I see many here of the relatively long torso to short inseam chromosomal group recommending square frames (top tube similar to seat tube) geometries. I wonder if that will work for Leah. This never worked for my 5' 5" wife. The only non-custom dropped bar bike she ever fit decently on was the smallest of the Bleriots (49cm?) with 650b wheels to limit toe clip overlap (TCO), and that only worked with a maximally extended 50mm Technomic stem. We at one point purchased a Gunnar 50cm frame with nice short top tube. Upon receiving the frame, I realized it had something like a 75 degree seat tube, which would not work with my wife's long femurs, no matter the then available setback seat posts. So I recommend the *smallest* (i.e. shortest) sloping top tubed frame that will elevate the bars as much as possible, and discount threadless ahead-type forks and stems, allowing for plenty of elevation of the bars, and recommend no larger that 650b wheels and not-too-chunky (38mm max) tires to limit TCO. (I also don't recommend a cyclocross frame unless you really like standing over exposed top tube cables that are wiped clean by your shorts.)Unless, Leah, you have a long torso compared to your inseam, then you may ignore! And we all are anxious to see what you end up with. Personally? I'd love to hear how you drop the whole pack on a custom-painted Roaduno. Cheers ChrisSB, CAOn Sunday, April 21, 2024 at 2:20:57 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:As someone else said, skip the scruples and just try drop bars. They're comfortable, which is (I assert) the reason why they've been used for well over 100 years. Riders don't use drops because their bars are positioned far too low; the hoods position on modern bikes is like the hooks position on "traditional" road bikes. I've not used Albastaches but I've used many, many, Moustache bars and nope, not like drops. You might end up hating drops, but please try a few.Patrick "38 cm Maes Parallel road, 42 cm Maes Parallel dirt" MooreOn Sun, Apr 21, 2024 at 3:07 PM Leah Peterson  wrote:I promise not to be offended by a great wave of advice coming my way here - I have asked for it and you all have kindly delivered. Ok, ok….I really will consider drop bars. But I do wonder…everyone says they offer so many hand positions; but I only see people with their hands on the hoods. Are riders really utilizing different hand positions? Also, I saw a pic of an albastache with brake levers in the middle of the bar. Would this mimic the freedom of hand position changes a drop bar offers? I practiced tonight on my ride by grabbing the front of my Billie bars. It felt nice to be stretched out like that, but with no access to brakes or shifters from there I didn’t like to stay long. Unnerving.Sent from my iPhoneOn Apr 21, 2024, at 4:54 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:This is going to be a fun thread. Please don't take a great volume of advice as condescending; I think that this thread will elicit a very large amount of love for road bikes as a distinct genus of bicycle.I think you very particularly will benefit a great deal from the right road bike and that once you get things basically sorted you will find that you enjoy it immensely for the kind of riding you describe. There is a perfection of fit and feel and a real pleasure in riding a well set up traditional road bike -- I don't mean racing bike -- that you don't find with other combinations of frame, saddle, bar, and their relative positions. Really, this sort of setup on the right sort of frame is more comfortable, more natural, more pleasant for energetic riding than other setups; at least, I've always found it so, and there's a reason why the traditional road bike was developed so quickly after the chain-driven safety was invented and why it has remained largely the same for going on for 150 years.Note: I don't say that everyone who rides energetically should have a road bike, but everyone who does so and can try ought at least to give one a try. Again, there is an efficiency and comfort -- really, a "fit" like that of a custom suit or perfect tool -- offered by an intelligently spec'd and set up road bike that, you don't -- or at least, I don't, -- get with any other sort of bike.Me, based on my experience, I'd certainly start by keeping my eye out for a used Roadeo or Riv Road or LongLow or Ram or Heron. But for the final and perfect version, I'd not close my mind a priori to other makes. I am guessing, but I would not be surprised if, after your usual rapid learning cycle, this time with a road bike, you end up with a custom. My favorite bike of all time out of several scores is a custom Riv Road, but I've owned 

[RBW] The excellent old GP Sheldon/bikesite/mudsluts interview

[luckyturnip]

I’m sure this has been revived and discussed many times in the past thirty odd 
years, but I’m reading the Mudsluts (Sheldon Brown/bikesite?) interview with 
Grant Petersen and well if you haven’t read it you should. It’s mostly Grant 
trying not to make the whole interview about the internet and its future as a 
tool for bicycle businesses and customers.
I got here unironically via Google search so I can’t tell you when it’s from 
but early in the Rivendell days, maybe 1994 or 1995.
Someone more saavy can tell. Hopefully this link will work:
Https://sheldonbrown.com/bridgestone/mudslutsinterview.html

Liz in Sacramento 

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Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2024

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Mine is a 54 and I have the seat about that high, and I am a 5’7” woman with a 79pbh so my guess is it’s not a 54 if the rider is a 5’4” woman.Liz in Sacramento On Mar 24, 2024, at 06:47, Joe Bernard  wrote:Any guesses as to the size of this early Atlantis? My eye can't tell if it's 52 or 54cm, I'm fairly certain it's not a 50. On Saturday, March 23, 2024 at 1:44:07 PM UTC-7 jerry...@gmail.com wrote:*Not mine and no affiliation, just a shame for me it's not a 56 or 58cm.Rivendell Atlantis 2, serial #2 - $1,000 (Santa Cruz)https://sfbay.craigslist.org/scz/bik/d/santa-cruz-rivendell-atlantis-serial/7730132678.htmlOn Friday 22 March 2024 at 09:35:54 UTC-7 maxcr wrote:PSA: beautiful green 58cm Rambouillet in the FB riv buy/sell group.No connections to the seller and they don't seem to know their asking price yet, but if you've been looking for one, this one looks great!On Friday, March 22, 2024 at 9:56:55 AM UTC-4 Elisabeth Sherwood wrote:Btw, the Reston (VA) Homer is now down to $2,500.https://washingtondc.craigslist.org/nva/bik/d/reston-rivendell-homer-hilsen/7726857824.htmlOn Thursday, March 21, 2024 at 7:40:06 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:That Reston Homer is nicely appointed and a good deal for someone right for a 47cm!On Thursday, March 21, 2024 at 9:43:22 AM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:Your patience continues to earn you money.  Now the price is down to $6000.  Wait until September and you'll get paid to take it.  Bill LindsayEl Cerrito, CAOn Friday, March 15, 2024 at 8:46:10 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:I love a bargain On Friday, March 15, 2024 at 7:40:48 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:It's on special offer now to those of us who are watching it.  Now avaiable for the low low price of $6250.  Bill LindsayEl Cerrito, CAOn Wednesday, March 13, 2024 at 9:59:37 AM UTC-7 LBleriot wrote:Yikes!  I would love to add a Heron Touring to go with my Road, but this Ebay listing is kind of a silly way to solicit real offers.On Wednesday, March 13, 2024 at 12:26:30 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:Obviously the Chris King Headset Composite Index has gone through the roof.On Tue, Mar 12, 2024 at 6:37 PM Josh C  wrote:wowOn Monday, March 11, 2024 at 3:33:10 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:$7000  In a word, HA!  At least they are taking offers...  BL in ECOn Monday, March 11, 2024 at 12:28:26 PM UTC-7 Michael Morrissey wrote:Heron Touring 55cm$7000Walled Lake, MichiganRare rare rare parts like Titanium Chris King headset, Nitto racks, and full Campagnolo...https://www.ebay.com/itm/176156925449?itmmeta=01HRQFP37XW2ZW9W57MX91XV8H=item2903c55e09:g:1-QAAOSwlT9le1Vr=enc%3AAQAI4A7jbJYmJLb0qhGidg8sdvoie5vcUpIvYrS%2BSMvrLJLvPiSDvKpjMsaHlJTCd1soc%2BS7lyI3DhBCJIMPjYbsw%2Bz2jx3FF1A8HaYOsrSGCGDojnJMNqrJC9m0GJvRkaVV7ejS4wIjNmkGPkl5PLpOEQlbXY8ub8%2FhPJelndP333HN%2B5YXfIBsGZBcK%2BedK1MLmQWY7kHqX4c4AzxDVzG%2B1rJVrllsTotNUBw2pKEhm%2BQDzzEV4sTfCquOQ0jScQhSElZQaXk3KjAGccNhRMGhT54kCgPjyFiebEPpJtvqbTfN%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR4C02O_FYwOn Sunday, March 3, 2024 at 5:36:38 PM UTC-5 Matthew Williams wrote:Roadini57cm2000Emeryville, CAhttps://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/emeryville-rivendell-leo-roadini/7720529232.html



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[RBW] Want to buy Paul Levers (and a few other things)

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Hi all,
I am working on building my S/O a fancified late 70’s step thru Raleigh Sprite. 
It will be the first time I build my own wheels.
Anyhow unrelated to the wheels I am looking to buy a used pair of Silver Paul 
Love Levers.
If anyone is selling those please message me off list with price shipped to 
Sacramento.
If you’re wondering what else I am looking for the big thing is a Sturmey 
Archer S-RF3 hub and thumbshifter (120 old/32h). I waited too long to buy this 
and Handsome Cycles store appears to be closed. 
Due to the weird scams I have seen happening on this list please know that I 
will look for verification of your existence in our correspondence, and I will 
expect to pay you with Goods/Services for both our protection unless we meet in 
person.

Thanks,
Liz in Sacramento (unwilling to remove the Love Levers from my Atlantis) 

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Re: [RBW] FS: 59cm Clem H "Hillibike" with Jones, Thomson, Shimano XT, etc.

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Dang what a great deal, cheers fellow Sacramentan. (If you part it out I am interested in the stem-Liz) On Feb 17, 2024, at 12:39, Jeremy Till  wrote:I've got some exciting adventures on the horizon that would be best suited to having a slightly different bike in my stable, so I've decided to part ways (amicably) with my first-gen (2016) 59cm Clem Smith Jr, in the no-longer-available "H-type." This has been a great bike that I've really enjoyed riding, but I don't do it enough and I'm excited to pass it on to someone who will enjoy it.  Not to toot my own horn, but I was riding hillibikes before they were cool, or at least before Grant had thought up the term. When I bought this in 2016, I was mountain biking a lot and built this up from the start as a rim brake mountain bike, using things like wide, tubeless compatible rims, strong V-brakes, and trigger shifters. When VO brought out their 31.8mm quill stem in 2017 it got 710mm Jones Loop bars, which really tied the whole thing together, and that has been the basic setup with relatively minor modifications since then. Overall it's in good shape, never been crashed (that I can remember), and I've proactively replaced consumable parts before they've worn out. There's a couple of places where the green paint has chipped exposing the white primer below. Pictures are here. The build: Frame/fork: 59cm Clem H, Green. Geometry hereHeadset: FSA DuronWheels: Prototype Rivendell "Silver" hubs, laced to Velocity Cliffhangers (700c/29") with 36 double butted spokes each. Currently running ~1 year old Specialized Fast Trak 2.2" tires with tubes. Rims are tubeless compatible, but the rim tape is the original from when I built it up in 2016 so it could probably use a refresh if you are going to try to run them tubeless. Handlebars: Jones 710mm Loop H-Bar, butted aluminum, Jones Kraton grips Stem: Velo-Orange Removable Faceplate Quill Stem, 90mmSeatpost: Thomson Elite (zero setback)Saddle: Will come with a WTB Pure (pictured with WTB Deva), or will sell sans saddleBrake Levers: Shimano Deore "touring" (BL-T611)Brakes: Shimano XT v-brakesShifter: Shimano Sora 9spd Rapidfire w/ two-way releaseRear Derailleur: Shimano XT 9spd "Shadow" (RD-M772)(No front shifter or derailleur)Cranks: CODA-Branded Sugino 94/58mm BCD, 175mm, square taper w/ 36-22 Dimension 9spd alloy chainringsBottom Bracket: sealed cartridge unit, 107mm, I think it's a Tange?Pedals: Shimano Saint platform pedalsCassette: Shimano XT 9spd, 11-34Chain: SRAM PC 991Sale does not include the King Iris bottle cages pictured. Craigslist price is $1,600, happy to sell to a list member for $1,400. I'm in Sacramento, CA and would prefer a local sale, but if you're elsewhere and are willing to pay for boxing and shipping, let me know. -Jeremy Till



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Re: [RBW] ISO: A long rear rack

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Tom, unfortunately my Jaand is the regular non-expedition rack which is going to be about an inch too short.But it’s yours for shipping if you want. Message me off list. On Feb 7, 2024, at 13:14, Tom Wyland  wrote:Thanks, Liz.The irony is that the rack is like 90% covered by the pannier.  TomReston, VAOn Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 3:23:43 PM UTC-5 Lucky wrote:You need a Jaand Expedition rear rack.I might have one in the garage and will check after 5pm but if so, it won’t be very attractive. Liz in Sacramento On Feb 7, 2024, at 12:00, Tom Wyland  wrote:I picked up a cool Dutch twin panniers in Amsterdam for my Platy. I'm putting the large saddlesack and R14 rack on the shelf a bit. The double panniers looked so tiny on the big city bikes, but I can't find a bike rack in the US that has a platform 400mm (15.75 inches) long. Does anyone have a rear rack laying around that has a platform larger than 15 inches? Thanks,TomReston, VA



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Re: [RBW] ISO: A long rear rack

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You need a Jaand Expedition rear rack.I might have one in the garage and will check after 5pm but if so, it won’t be very attractive. Liz in Sacramento On Feb 7, 2024, at 12:00, Tom Wyland  wrote:I picked up a cool Dutch twin panniers in Amsterdam for my Platy. I'm putting the large saddlesack and R14 rack on the shelf a bit. The double panniers looked so tiny on the big city bikes, but I can't find a bike rack in the US that has a platform 400mm (15.75 inches) long. Does anyone have a rear rack laying around that has a platform larger than 15 inches? Thanks,TomReston, VA



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Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno and the state of single speed bikes

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Dare I…come in here with the Squid…?On Feb 2, 2024, at 15:01, DavidP  wrote:Hi Edwin, A few more I'm aware of:Crust Florida Man - 130mm spacing, track ends, removable canti-posts, 27.5x2.4 listed max so 55mm tires with a fender should be fineWabi Thunder - 120mm spacing, track ends, 700x44 (conservative?) maxHandsome Devil - 132.5mm spacing, semi-horizonal dropouts, 700x45ish max - mine has 38mm Gravel Kings with VO Zeppelin 52mm fenders but the tires measure smaller than stated size (~36mm). I'm using the Surly 130mm hub Bill mentioned on this bike to get a fixed gear option, but my other single speeds use single speed cogs and spacers on cassette hubs.-DaveOn Friday, February 2, 2024 at 5:16:12 PM UTC-5 Edwin W wrote:I like single speed bikes, many like single speed bikes. The simplicity, the possibility of fixed gear, it is the epitome of biking for me, I think.I like the idea of the roaduno. So far it looks like it will have 700c/622 wheel size, long reach side pull brakes. Rear facing drop outs. Those are the main factors to think about, because stem length, handlebar and lever type, fenders or not, dynamo or not, are flexible on most bikes.What is the competition, and what are they offering?Crust Lightning bolt single speed. 650b wheels with anti posts. BMC Monstercross. 700c wheels and cantilever posts. But that has 135mm rear spacing, so not exactly built for single speed.What else is out there that can take a 38mm (or so) tire with a fender?Edwin



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Re: [RBW] Re: NBOD: New Bike Ordered Day! The mythical canti-Roa!

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I rarely pipe up but do qualify here and pink is one of my favorite colors. I can’t wait to see this one On Feb 2, 2024, at 13:35, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!  wrote:Died. I have died over here. Am dead, currently. PINK? Pink and CREAM?! I love pink - all shades of it. I just yield to it. And nothing goes better with pink than cream!!! Oh, I cannot wait to see your new bike!!! SUPER APPROVEOn Friday, February 2, 2024 at 4:22:43 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:Only the RivSisters are allowed to read this update:Today, Rick emailed me about the cream accents he is painting on my color-matched aluminum fenders.  As far as I can tell, that is the last of the last details, which means New Frame Day may arrive before my 55th birthday on Thursday the 8th.  I'll repeat, this info is only for the RivSisters.  Everyone else will get this information after I've seen the finished product and can share photos.  Only the RivSisters get this early preview spoiler: My new Nobilette built Canti-Roadeo is Pink.  The frame and fork are Pink with Cream headtube and accents.  The Nobilette stem is Pink.  The Honjo fenders are pink with cream "French tips". Don't tell anybody else.  They'll find out soon enough...  :)Bill LindsayEl Cerrito, CAOn Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 11:21:06 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:Small update for the Sisters: Rick picked up my frame from Riv this week for paintBig update for the Sisters: I emailed Rick separately and he agreed to let me drop off my Rene Herse (Honjo) fenders to paint as well.  I'm beyond excited about that.  Bill LindsayEl Cerrito, CAOn Monday, December 4, 2023 at 6:03:36 AM UTC-8 sarahlik...@gmail.com wrote:I have already let Leah know, and we will be holding our breath for the big reveal wherever it shows up first. This is not even our first conversation about bike colors today, and won't be the last... because that's how we are. Your RivSisters are waiting!On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 7:13:08 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:I absolutely will be hoping for RivSister approval of my color way.  In my convo with Grant, he asked to photograph a number of the projects I've been working on or recently completed, like he may Blagh about it, and since this Canti-Roa is a relatively unique thing, I was going to give them first shot at the actual reveal.  Bill LindsayEl Cerrito, CaOn Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 5:17:12 AM UTC-8 sarahlik...@gmail.com wrote:I love seeing someone else's bike dream fulfilled! Congratulations on your new bike day and what color did you paint your bike??! (I promise you all your RivSisters want to know...) On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 8:19:18 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:Since starting this thread, I did spring for a fancy new wheel set that I'm pretty excited about.  I like the people and products at HED, and I appreciate their vestigial commitment to rim brakes.  They offer a premier rim treatment called RA black.  The rim is machined rough, and then hard anodized to give a super high friction braking surface.  It's supposed to be premier braking, and I'm excited to try it out.  Mocking up the weights of things, I may be able to pull in a full build at 18.5 pounds without rack and fenders, and maybe (just maybe) at 19.99lbs with rack and fenders.  We'll see how it turns out...  it will not be red. BL in ECOn Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 9:23:07 AM UTC-8 Ryan wrote:Can hardly wait to see it built up! Long wait but worth it I'm sure On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 9:57:15 AM UTC-6 George Schick wrote:You gonna stick with the default red/white Roadeo color scheme or choose something else?On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 8:45:33 AM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:...and 20 months later, it has arrived!  Rivendell received my Cantilever Roadeo from Nobilette this week, and it's off to paint.  I paid them a visit and gave it a look over.  It looks very nice and I'm eager to see it painted, and built up.  On my visit I had a very nice chat with Grant about various things, and a few of the familiar old faces were there, so it was a pleasant visit all around.  Bill LindsayEl Cerrito, CAOn Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 11:15:17 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:JohnI will definitely run my current Roadeo wheelsets.  27mm tubulars.  Rene Herse Stampede Pass (622-32) and Bon Jon Pass (622-35).  For kicks I'll probably check how Barlow Passes look on the bike (622-38).  I don't plan on using fenders.  I plan on being able to use fenders.  I don't have a width or model in mind at the moment.  I am considering using Rene Herse Cantilevers.  Those brakes are super light, super minimalist, and very not-adjustable.  My opinion is that they can only work great when a master builder builds the frame and fork with those brakes in mind.  Weigle and Nobilette are the two who I'd trust to execute that, because both have done it dozens of times.  I expect to take delivery about a year from now.  Nobilette's queue is indeed deep, and it contains other Roadeos, Riv customs, and Nobilettes. 

Re: [RBW] Re: Feeler: ISO extra-small 26er?

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Oooh yeah the Neutrino mini Velo! So many build options with that! On Jan 11, 2024, at 13:39, Garth  wrote:A Soma Buena Vista rim brake or disc come in 42cm size and 26" wheels !https://www.somafabshop.com/shop/category/frames-frame-parts-bicycles-frames-990VO has this one :https://velo-orange.com/collections/neutrino-mini-velo/products/neutrino-miniveloOn Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 3:54:30 PM UTC-5 Coal Bee Rye Anne wrote:Nothing to offer for sale, unfortunately,  but I would add a small Salsa Vaya 2 to your list (I don;t know the exact year range where the smallest all took 26" wheels but this is the one I recall specifically looking at:  
2015 Vaya 2 | Salsa Cycles When we last purchased a new bike for my 5' spouse it was narrowed down between the small Vaya 2 (which did have 26" wheels, disc brakes, and drops and came in a nice shade of blue) and the small Velo Orange Camargue (which also takes 26" wheels but canti/v-brakes and was frame only to allow us to build to suit.)  She ended up choosing the VO because she was indifferent on brake type, already had a drop bar road bike and wanted more of a flat bar set-up for a touring type all-rounder, and it was in a shade of green (preferred color) vs. the blue Salsa.On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 12:46:08 PM UTC-5 Michael Morrissey wrote:Hi Everyone,I'm thinking about getting a new bike for my wife. Currently, she has a Trek FX. She likes it a lot, but I can't help but think it doesn't fit her right. She is 5 feet tall, yet the bike has 700x35 tires. The frame is small but I think it's crazy to have an extra-small bike with the biggest wheel size. Google "Trek FX 13 inch" and look at this ridiculously proportioned bicycle. It looks like a penny-farthing.I think she would be much more comfortable on a steel 26" wheeled bike. I especially like it because I already own 3 vintage 26" mountain bikes as parts sources. She has expressed interest in getting a lighter bike, more roadish, with drop bars. She really likes the color blue, so I want to get her a blue bike. I spoke with a local custom builder, who loved the idea and quoted me $1800 for a custom frame. I've got an eBay notification going for the Surly Long Haul Trucker in extra-small 42cm. This would check all my boxes. I was wondering if anyone has experience (or ones they will get rid of cheap) with the smallest of touring bikes: Joe Appaloosa in 46cmAtlantis in 47cm?Surly Long Haul Trucker or Disc Trucker in 42cmClem Smith / Clementine in 45cm Buy another old Gary Fisher and add drop bars and call it a day? Others???I'd even consider a 24" wheeled bike for her. Crust bikes made a Romanceur in 24". Salsa makes a 24" gravel bike that looks really nice too.If anyone has one we could try, we are in NYC.Thanks! Michael 



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Re: [RBW] Feeler: ISO extra-small 26er?

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I might be in the minority here but I had a 26" wheeled Long Haul Trucker and found it to be a tank. I didn't like it much for ...really anything. In comparison I have a 26" wheeled old short wheelbase Atlantis and like it very much both on and off road. (I also have a 26" wheeled step thru Hard Rock built up with nice parts (Risco Platy inspired build) and absolutely love it.I saw yesterday on IG that Crust is thinking about another run of step thrus.  You could go cheap with something like the Hard Rock as your base until the perfect bike appears. That said, all of these listed bikes feel pretty chunky to me if your wife wants to go faster. What about a step thru Bassi Rachel, Handsome She-Devil, or similar?Me: female, 5'7 (so taller than your wife), my 2 cents for whatever that's worthOn Jan 11, 2024, at 09:46, Michael Morrissey  wrote:Hi Everyone,I'm thinking about getting a new bike for my wife. Currently, she has a Trek FX. She likes it a lot, but I can't help but think it doesn't fit her right. She is 5 feet tall, yet the bike has 700x35 tires. The frame is small but I think it's crazy to have an extra-small bike with the biggest wheel size. Google "Trek FX 13 inch" and look at this ridiculously proportioned bicycle. It looks like a penny-farthing.I think she would be much more comfortable on a steel 26" wheeled bike. I especially like it because I already own 3 vintage 26" mountain bikes as parts sources. She has expressed interest in getting a lighter bike, more roadish, with drop bars. She really likes the color blue, so I want to get her a blue bike. I spoke with a local custom builder, who loved the idea and quoted me $1800 for a custom frame. I've got an eBay notification going for the Surly Long Haul Trucker in extra-small 42cm. This would check all my boxes. I was wondering if anyone has experience (or ones they will get rid of cheap) with the smallest of touring bikes: Joe Appaloosa in 46cmAtlantis in 47cm?Surly Long Haul Trucker or Disc Trucker in 42cmClem Smith / Clementine in 45cm Buy another old Gary Fisher and add drop bars and call it a day? Others???I'd even consider a 24" wheeled bike for her. Crust bikes made a Romanceur in 24". Salsa makes a 24" gravel bike that looks really nice too.If anyone has one we could try, we are in NYC.Thanks! Michael 



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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO Clem Smith Jr L 45

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Pretty sure the orange one is 26" wheels and the blue is...650b?On Jan 6, 2024, at 17:43, Kim H.  wrote: and there is this one from the San Francisco Bay Area:https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/220717641081922/?rid=6952372144853343_id=1=0=0_code=commerce_attachmentOn Saturday, January 6, 2024 at 11:59:28 AM UTC-8 Lucky wrote:This has been on Sacramento CL a long timeRivendell Clem Smith Clementine - bicycles - by owner - bike sale - craigslistsfbay.craigslist.orgOn Jan 6, 2024, at 11:35, maxcr  wrote:Not a frameset but worth it!https://www.rivbike.com/products/45cm-clem-limeolive-web-specialOn Saturday, January 6, 2024 at 1:11:59 PM UTC-6 Carlos Quinteros Jr wrote:Hey all,Looking for a Clem L 45cm frameset. If anyone has one they are wanting to part with or knows of one for sale send them my way please.Thanks in advance!CarlosLA



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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO Clem Smith Jr L 45

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This has been on Sacramento CL a long timeRivendell Clem Smith Clementine - bicycles - by owner - bike sale - craigslistsfbay.craigslist.orgOn Jan 6, 2024, at 11:35, maxcr  wrote:Not a frameset but worth it!https://www.rivbike.com/products/45cm-clem-limeolive-web-specialOn Saturday, January 6, 2024 at 1:11:59 PM UTC-6 Carlos Quinteros Jr wrote:Hey all,Looking for a Clem L 45cm frameset. If anyone has one they are wanting to part with or knows of one for sale send them my way please.Thanks in advance!CarlosLA



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Re: [RBW] Re: Platypus or Clem - Please help me choose

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Damn now I want one, who has a 52 Clem in the Sacramento area I can look at?-LizOn Jan 3, 2024, at 11:03, Nick Shoemaker  wrote:So true, Richard!I'm an unabashed Clem-lover (thanks for selling me yours, Al!), but with the arrival of the Complete Platypus, I'd almost certainly pay the extra $500 for all of its extra fanciness/elegance/what-have-you. Prior to these completes, the price difference was almost 2x (Clem @ $2k, Platy @ almost $4k), so I think the Clem's value proposition isn't what it used to be. That said, the Clem can do things that aren't  *as*  possible on a Platy - namely fitting massive knobbies and loading up for multi-day singletrack adventures (read: "bikepacking") - if you want to do these sort of rides, go with a Clem, otherwise, I'd snap up one of those $2500 Platys before the price goes up!If you want to ride like this, choose Clem...(FYI Patrick, this is my 64cm Clem with 2.6" (65) front, 2.35" (57) rear with plenty of mud clearance; the 2.6 also fits on the rear without rubbing, but with virtually zero mud clearance)-NickOn Wednesday, January 3, 2024 at 11:54:46 AM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:“I wouldn’t overlook the Clem.” Truer words never spoken.Sent from my iPhoneOn Jan 3, 2024, at 11:47 AM, Tim Bantham  wrote:Hi Sean, I'm over here near the Albany end of the Erie Canal trail. I've had similar circumstances with my wife. She owned a Trek mixte which she really enjoyed. For years I've been telling her about the magic of Rivendell Bicycles which mostly went in one ear and out the other. She always responded by saying "but I like my current bike".  Last summer a used Platypus came up for sale. I showed her pictures and she was very interested until she saw the price tag. Even used this was too much for her to comfortably pay. Later in the summer we ended up ordering a CLEM complete from Riv. The end result was exactly what I was hoping. Once she experienced the long wheelbase of the Clem combined with the wider tires the difference between her old bike and the new Riv clicked for her. If you are hoping for a similar result I think either bike would be a great choice but I wouldn't overlook the Clem. Hope that helps! TimOn Monday, January 1, 2024 at 5:29:59 PM UTC-5 SeanMac wrote:Hi everyone.  Happy New Year!I am the proud owner of a grey Cheviot.  One of the reasons that I purchased that bike was to ride on bike trails near me (such as the Erie Canal Trail) with my wife.  She and I have done a bit of riding together.  However, as I am a more experienced cyclists, she sometimes gets frustrated with me.  Happily, riding my Cheviot has helped me to slow down and enjoy the ride with her.My wife has been riding a Trek hybrid bike that is at least 30 years old.  I would love for her to get something new for our rides together.  She is on-board with this idea (much to my delight).  A new Rivendell seems to be just the ticket to more quality bike time - for her alone and for us together.  The question, of course, is which model would be the best choice.Given that I have a Cheviot, a Platypus for her was my first suggestion.  I sense that it rides pretty similarly to my Cheviot - plush, stable and relatively quick once it gets going.  However, my wife was a bit surprised by the price tag of the Platty, and began to focus on the Clem.  When she asked why the Clem was less expensive I spoke about the lugs, but didn't know what else really differentiated the two bikes.  This is why I am reaching out to the group.I would be grateful if folks on the list who are familiar with both the Clem and Platypus would provide some additional insight into the differences between the two models.  I think that either bike would meet my wife's needs.  However, thoughts on which would best meet those needs are much appreciated.Thanks,SeanBuffalo, NY



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Re: [RBW] Re: WTT: Large Cheviot (60 cm.) for Medium Riv.

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Good luck with sale! If you are the person I saw riding yesterday near Land Park I can vouch for how nicely set up this bike is. On Jan 2, 2024, at 07:59, Drurad (Sacramento)  wrote:BumpOn Wednesday, December 27, 2023 at 3:52:26 PM UTC-8 Drurad (Sacramento) wrote:I am currently riding a large green Cheviot (60 cm).  I can't help feeling it is just a bit too big for me.  Sending this out to see if someone is riding a Riv in the 54-57 cm. range that they can't help feeling is just a bit too small for them.  Mostly interested in frame or rolling chassis trade.  Located in Sacramento, but am regularly in Bay Area, and sometimes LA.  Shipping a possibility, but not preferred.  Open to discussion off-list.Thanks, 



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[RBW] Is this you in Sacramento?

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Are you the man with a beard who rode past me on a green Platypus in Land Park 
Sacramento?
I’d love to check out your Platy some time.

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[RBW] Small Clem still on Sacramento CL

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This Clem is still for sale in Sacramento if anyone is looking for a small one. (Not mine/no affiliation)Rivendell Clem Smith Clementine - bicycles - by owner - bike sale - craigslistsacramento.craigslist.org



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Re: [RBW] WTPF -ALBA?

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Is the Albastache still available? Would love it if so.LizOn Dec 17, 2023, at 14:17, Jon Craig (Vendraen)  wrote:(WTPF = Want To Pay Forward)In this case - the people here have been so kind and helpful I'd like to give back. I have as spare parts 2 Nitto handlebars - a Noodle and and Albastache - plus a 70mm Tallux stem. They're free for the asking; I just ask you cover shipping. 



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[RBW] Tiny Clem FS in Sacramento (not mine)

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Just saw this on Marketplace. Someone here? 
Very small orange Clem. 
 Look at this post on Facebook 
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Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2023

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Looks like Friday Harbor (Washington) for the BombadilOn Oct 13, 2023, at 11:03, maxcr  wrote:PSA. Anyone looking for a beautiful (pricey) 60 Bombadil? *seller says they don't want to ship, but it's unclear where they are located.https://www.pinkbike.com/buysell/3716209/On Thursday, October 12, 2023 at 11:25:41 AM UTC-4 Matthew Williams wrote:Clem L F/F/Hs in Grilver!59cm900Berkeley-Oakland, CAhttps://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/berkeley-rivendell-clem-frameset/7674043888.html



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Re: [RBW] ISO 26" wheelset

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This guy on IG is constantly selling 26” wheelsets, as well as bikes/parts/etc.The MTB Recyclist (@the_mtb_recyclist) • Instagram photos and videosinstagram.comAs is Gringineer CyclesGringineer Cycles (@gringineercycles) • Instagram photos and videosinstagram.comI have no affiliation, just feel like recently I’ve seen a lot of people looking for 26-er/“vintage MTB”  stuff.On Oct 6, 2023, at 17:08, Andrew Huston  wrote:Ideally something with decent hubs (deore) and 32h if possible. Looking for some 2.1ish tires as well. Thanks!



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Re: [RBW] Craigslist 54cm Hunqapillar, $2250, Sunnyvale CA

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At this price I’m surprised it’s not sold! If I had the cash I’d already have made the time to go see if it fits, no matter the question of size! On Oct 1, 2023, at 08:28, m f  wrote:So, looking at a Hunqspec sheet and I don’t see a 51 listed. Dylan- when you discussed geometry, how did you land on “51”?On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 9:24:20 PM UTC-5 Erik wrote:Shoot.  A 54 and I would have driven to Sunnyvale tonight to buy that.  This was the bike I wanted before I got my first Riv.  On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 1:00:11 PM UTC-7 dylantho...@gmail.com wrote:it's actually a 51...i emailed with the sellerOn Friday, September 29, 2023 at 3:16:52 PM UTC-7 eliot...@gmail.com wrote:Dang…On Fri, Sep 29, 2023 at 2:21 PM John P. in SF  wrote:Not mine...https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/bik/d/sunnyvale-rivendell-hunqapillar/7671471793.html



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[RBW] Ron’s Ortho Bars but no bike conundrum? Buy mine!

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For anyone who bought Ron’s bars only to find they don’t have a bike to put them on, allow me to shamelessly cross post my lovely 1993 MB-4 (for sale on iBOB and local CL), which I’m happy to sell without cockpit…Ron’s bars would suit this bike exceptionally well!Feel free to e-mail if I actually caught anyone’s interest;)Liz in Sacramento Bridgestone MB-4 Classic 26” ATB - bicycles - by owner - bike salesacramento.craigslist.org



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Re: [RBW] A College Clem

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Don’t do it. I used to work on a college campus and the reality is, bikes are stolen like crazy, campuses are targeted by bike thieves, college kids are busy and forgetful and all it takes is one careless lockup and it’s (or parts of it’s)  gone. I don’t believe there’s any way to keep a nice bike like a Clem safe or intact on a college campus.Get a big steel 90’s MTB and put a Sunlite fake Albatross on it. Just my .02Congratulations to you for guiding your son towards the next phase of his life! On Aug 5, 2023, at 19:56, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!  wrote:It nearly kills me to say it, but my older son will be heading to college in a year. Freshman aren’t to bring cars to campus, so that leaves buses, bikes, and your own two feet for transportation. My boys have grown up riding Clem Hs; this son rides a 52 cm cast-off from my husband (who doesn’t ride, sigh). My 6’3” Dad had a blue 59 cm Clem on order when he died suddenly in 2020, and his blue Clem has sat, boxed, waiting for my boy to grow into it. I lugged the gargantuan box up from the basement last week to see how if the bike would fit. “Now that I’ve obtained optimal height,” my son is fond of saying… Anyway, he’s 6’1” now (likely still growing) and I need him to decide if he wants to stick with his old Clem H (that he was fond of) or settle into this Clem L. Because whichever bike he chooses is getting new wheels, dyno and fenders and going to college with him. At first he was opposed to the idea of a new Clem; he liked his old Clem, thought it looked cool. But after the - as he calls it - Big Bike was assembled, he really began to like it. “It looks elegant,” he said. It really does, all long and lithe, in blue and silver. He put his saddle and bags on the bike and we test rode it tonight. He said, “I am really liking the Big Bike. I like that my knees don’t have anything to hit (geez, were his knees hitting his bars?!) and it looks elegant. It feels more at home now that I have my old saddle on it.” I have mixed feelings about sending him to college with this bike, because it’s so nice. I also doubt he’ll be able to get it on a bus bike rack - and I have no idea how often he will want to do that. His bike life is totally unknown at this point. All I know is that I’m getting him dyno because the kid has never remembered to charge a light in his LIFE and I will not sleep at night without it.The 52 takes 650b wheels and the 59 takes 700c, so I don’t want to buy the wheels until I know which bike he really wants. But as of now, he wants his new bike.I know people will say we should just get a beater. I know why that would be advisable, but I also hate to think of a Clem languishing when it could be serving a noble purpose. I’d love for him and his Clem to journey through undergrad together.I am wondering…has anyone gone to college or sent their kid to college with a Clem? What do you have to say about it? Photos in the next post…Leah



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Re: [RBW] bike mechanic in Boise

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Hi Jim, Boise Bicycle Project has a great program there if someone doesn’t rec a specific mechanicIt’s a Co-opOn Jul 19, 2023, at 12:32, Jim S.  wrote:Hi, is there anyone with knowledge of Boise, Idaho who can recommend a bike mechanic? Thanks in advance for any info.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Wanted post worries

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Yes thanksIt is the Albastache I seek, and in a 25.4! Forgot to specify. On Jul 19, 2023, at 10:22, Davey Two Shoes  wrote:yea one was probably from me, I have an albatross, not stacheOn Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 4:47:22 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:The bottom line for me is if I don't recognize the contact I'm probably not going to mess with them. We're operating on faith here and that involves having enough history to justify the faith. Joe Bernard On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 9:50:16 AM UTC-7 Lucky wrote:Greetings all, 

I posted a want ad yesterday for an Albastache bar and got a couple responses from people I’ve never seen here before. I do know there are lurkers on the list so if Denise and Eduardo Garcia are members here please follow up with more info. 
It’s a shame we have to worry about scammers all the time now and my apologies if I am wrong.

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[RBW] Wanted post worries

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Greetings all, 

I posted a want ad yesterday for an Albastache bar and got a couple responses 
from people I’ve never seen here before. I do know there are lurkers on the 
list so if Denise and Eduardo Garcia are members here please follow up with 
more info. 
It’s a shame we have to worry about scammers all the time now and my apologies 
if I am wrong.

Liz in Sacramento 

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[RBW] Wanted: Albastache bar

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I want to try an Albastache. Anyone have one to sell? The less pristine the 
better as I’m in a “change the stem a lot” phase and the stems are not 
faceplaters.
I’m in Sacramento, reply off list please. 
Liz in Sac

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Re: [RBW] Atlantis touch up Testors Paint available

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Gosh DARN that was quick. There were three when I posted and I bought mine last night. Hopefully if someone nabbed them all they’ll share here. On Jun 30, 2023, at 08:16, Eliot Balogh  wrote:Out of stock :(On Fri, Jun 30, 2023 at 8:04 AM  wrote:Hey all,Awhile back there was some chatter about this discontinued color of Testors paint, 2135.I just bought a bottle from this eBay seller. Seems they have a couple more. No affiliation to seller nor can I speak to the condition or quality. Liz in Sacramento Model Master 1/2oz Enamel Paint-Various Colors Rare+Common | NOS/Sealed/NIOB  | eBayebay.com



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[RBW] Atlantis touch up Testors Paint available

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Hey all,Awhile back there was some chatter about this discontinued color of Testors paint, 2135.I just bought a bottle from this eBay seller. Seems they have a couple more. No affiliation to seller nor can I speak to the condition or quality. Liz in Sacramento Model Master 1/2oz Enamel Paint-Various Colors Rare+Common | NOS/Sealed/NIOB  | eBayebay.com



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Re: [RBW] Re: FS Paul Component parts

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If you find anymore pink small bits can you let me know?Thanks, lizOn Jun 6, 2023, at 09:13, Alex Wirth <4824...@gmail.com> wrote:Found some more Moon Units!Feel free to make me an offer on multipesUpdates what's left list below and pic: Adjusters:(1) pair gold(1) pair purple(1) pair silver(1) funky monkey(1) Klamper setMoon Units (pair):(1) black(1) Silver(1) Red(2) greenCheers!



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Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis Old vs New?

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My 2004 53 cm (54?) Atlantis with 26” wheels features toe overlap and not much room out back with a “fist full of seatpost”, for big baggage. It’s pretty nimble off road snd very stable on. Set up with Albatross, love it. On Apr 27, 2023, at 06:57, 'peech1...@yahoo.com' via RBW Owners Bunch  wrote:I am down to 2 bikes: a 2010 Hillborne and an Atlantis MIT.  Both are set up for upright riding with albatross bars.  I love them both.  Hillborne has the "toe clap overlip" (clever huh?) that the MIT doesn't.  Both have their merits with the hill borne seeming to be a zippier ride.  MIT is a tad more comfortable with 650b 47 tires as opposed to 700c 35 tires on the Sammy.  If I had to choose one bike it would be the Atlantis.  Just more comfortable and versatile.  Rivendell bikes really have improved my life.On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 10:25:24 PM UTC-5 Stephen wrote:I've never ridden an atlantis, older or newer, But I do ride a '21 joe appaloosa(60) (the joe is very similar to MIT atlantis) and a rambouillet(62/63), so I feel I can comment a little on long vs. short chainstays. In addition to taking the joe out on road and gravel, i treat it as my mountain bike. I've ridden a fair bit of twisty singletrack in NC and have never really felt inhibited by the long chainstays. Anytime theres a turn I can't make, I honestly wouldn't be able to do it on a shorter bike either. Also, I recently did a little test ride with a new packing setup and I felt it really demonstrated the magic of the long stays... rear rack and panniers. Just honestly blown away by how roomy the bike is and how out of the way the luggage is with the long rear end, and how little it affected the good handling of the bike. I'm typically a front basket guy, but these bikes do ride really nicely with the weight in the back. On other bikes I've had issue with my heels hitting the bags.Now the Ram with the more traditional geometry is also a fantastic riding bike. I'm not sure how the geometry compares to older atlantis', but the rear end is considerably shorter than the joe and MIT atlantis'. I currently run 700x38 panaracers on it and use it for paved and dirt roads. Obviously not as stable as the Joe on gravel, but its really a road bike and it kicks butt on pavement. I'd say I like the shorter rear end for pure road riding. If it were sturdier I could imagine putting bags on it for a tour, but it wouldn't be as spacious as the setup on the Joe.As others have stated, the older and newer atlantis' are really quite different bikes, and in choosing between options you just need to analyze what features you want. The newer models can fit bigger tires, are roomier, more stable, but come at the cost of being humungo bikes. For me personally, I like the extra tire clearance and I like having at least one long chainstay bike. These days its a bit of a key rivendell feature. I feel lucky to have both options in the stable.Also if its possible, the best thing to help in deciding is getting to try each style out to see what suits you. Maybe there is someone living close enough to you with a long chainstay bike you can try, or an older atlantis. worth checking the riv map John created or asking the group.On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 9:42:21 PM UTC-4 homer...@gmail.com wrote:My Toyo does not have “fork mounts” for a rack. Would that be a factor for consideration in your decision?… I will say that I LOVE this bike, but the combination of Paul “Moto-lites” & no fork mounts makes finding support for a front bag kind of tough.Just a thoughtHHOn Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 8:37:18 PM UTC-8 Ed Fausto wrote:Hi,I share the thoughts of Tom.I also have both a 51 Toyo Atlantis and a 50 MIT Atlantis.Although, I have used by Toyo Atlantis during my 2016 TransAm and it performed well with a fully loaded gears.My only cons on my Toyo is the toe clip overlap which is annoying for me specially when grinding up slowly uphills.I am by default a slow rider so toe clip often happens more frequently than other riders.When I got my MIT, I feel the difference is it is more stable than my Toyo.And of course, no more toe clip overlap :-)I have not yet ridden my MIT on long tours.As mentioned by others, since my MIT Atlantis is very much longer than my Toyo, it could be a challenge finding boxes after a long tour.Regards,Ed FaustoManila, PhilippinesPS Even with the toe clip overlap on my Toyo Atlantis, I will still keep it due to sentimental reasons after my 2016 TransAmOn Sunday, March 5, 2023 at 10:57:12 AM UTC+8 Tom Horton wrote:Re my toyo atlantis and my mit  expect there s a bit of sentimentality/long familiarity involved with the toyoBefore i built the mit atlantis up for trail riding i had a drop bar on it and did a few five or six day tours  not heavily loaded (carrying maybe 25-30 pounds if stuff)  it rode great   Never felt i wouldn t have gone further on itBut there s something about that massive toyo 68 a frame nowhere near maxed by my own 6-5 frame   I do not however 

Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Craigslist, etc 2023

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That’s a cool bike but for (shameless plug) $800 less you can buy my bike: Bridgestone MB-4 - bicycles - by owner - bike salesacramento.craigslist.orgOn Apr 26, 2023, at 07:49, Joe Bernard  wrote:Now for something completely different. This flamed Bridgestone would rule amongst all the Harleys and lifted pickups here in Lake County, CA. Pricey but I'm tempted! https://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/bik/d/napa-custom-bridgestone-mb/7613966006.htmlOn Monday, April 24, 2023 at 8:09:26 AM UTC-7 JAS wrote:Roadini, 61cm$2400, Orange!Seattle, WAhttps://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bik/d/seattle-large-road-bike-rivendell/7611983345.htmlRomulus, 24"$850Bellingham, WAhttps://bellingham.craigslist.org/bik/d/bellingham-rivendell-romulus/7613561566.htmlLegolas, 59cm$3400Portland, OR areahttps://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/d/portland-rivendell-legolas-59cm/7612121082.htmlAtlantis, 61cm$2500Port Townsend, WAhttps://olympic.craigslist.org/bik/d/nordland-rivendell-atlantis-61cm/7606421089.htmlAppaloosa, 56cm$2000Portland, ORhttps://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/d/portland-rivendell-joe-appaloosa/7610380104.html



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Re: [RBW] Re: Tosco sought

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Thanks! I ended up ordering one from Riv when they came in stockOn Apr 24, 2023, at 05:14, J Schwartz  wrote:FYI saw this on eBay, no relation to seller31.8 thoughhttps://www.ebay.com/itm/155504597735?hash=item2434cbdae7:g:FOgAAOSwFfFkOVvp=enc%3AAQAI4FUNdqfXh9ITe91ffrr5ECfoQdu5iDr%2B15UaqCp%2Bldzeq1Sq5UOwbeL3KNuH2UYkqb%2BSdEkee6RZWO%2FDr5YN9HEJzrhp214ovDSZ2Mn8RBZX6BHU4oT7J7hfpwsRVMWlewhnjBCUr3fEhVtP8XPw4F%2FVLYiIAiRI2hblJTujN3zv0Wf7L%2BDhmv4akTmUlK3DmeRzUOo1GBPAGs3Pa0Vq8sXmlCusgwj2hzC%2FFTdVFxVG7TjEA0nWFrzs73Q0TVTuha5a%2BHURZSs5p%2Bvf37YdYK%2FmiKYoPZcpUGswT1b9sIQV%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR9LH9LL2YQOn Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 8:56:43 PM UTC-4 Lucky wrote:I posted this a while back, no luck, and someone else posted today so they get first dibs on the fresh post but I am still looking for a Tosco bar.
I’m located in Sacramento and my first choice is the 60cm (25.4).
Please reply off list if you have one for sale (and the other person said no) with the shipped price. 

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Re: [RBW] Handlebar Recommendations Pls?

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Have you considered the Losco? I borrowed one and found it a nice low compromise to the Tosco and both way flatter than the Bosco.On Apr 21, 2023, at 13:19, Philip Barrett  wrote:You know, my old Dutch riding buddy Hans Der Barrs! He was fast in his day...Actually I'm currently using a set of Boscos on my Platypus, lovely & upright but due to my Piriformis issues I feel like I need to be a little more canted forward to take some pressure off the sit bones.The choices out there are overwhelming quite frankly. Maybe the Wavie but IDK, what do you think?



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Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis touch-up paint

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I posted this question to a model airplane forum and the exact match suggestion was Gunze 391 (Mr. Color Interior Turquoise Green).If I get any other suggestions I’ll update. Liz in Sacramento On Apr 17, 2023, at 12:06, Luke Hendrickson  wrote:Also interested should anyone know!On Monday, April 17, 2023 at 8:50:46 AM UTC-7 oldandin...@gmail.com wrote:Hi everyone,I'm seeing testors has discontinued their paints, and they had the exact match to the Atlantis green color. Does anyone know any alternative touch-up paint options? Thanks!Nick




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Re: [RBW] Riv-ish bikes for sale, terms apply

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Good for you, Jay. I love seeing the bike advocacy groups earning much needed funds for their grassroots efforts through these kinds of higher value donations. On Apr 13, 2023, at 09:14, Jay Lonner  wrote:Some years ago I built up Surly Long Haul Truckers for my adolescent daughters. Those daughters are now adults, and these bikes are in need of a new home. The black bike measures 20” from the center of the crank to the center of the seat cluster, the green one 19”. The fork steerers are uncut.The builds are very Riv-ish. Sugino cranks, Deore rear derailers, VO Porteur bars, SunTour friction thumbshifters, Tektro Oryx brakes. One bike has XT hubs, the other XTR. Tubus Cargo rear racks fitted with Busch and Muller 4D Toplights, Nitto M12 front racks with baskets. Paul Gino light mounts on the forks.Now here’s the catch — even though a lot of these parts are valuable, I’m not really interested in holding out for top dollar. I’d rather see these bikes get used in support of some sort of cycling advocacy. There’s a local non-profit community bike shop where I could drop them off, no problem. But I also remember a time in my life when money was tight and I had young daughters that I wanted to introduce to biking. I’m wondering if any of you kindred spirits out there in Riv-land  meet that description, and might be interested in working out some sort of deal for picking up one or both of these bikes on the cheap. Professional bargain hunters and/or eBay resellers need not apply — I reserve the right to be choosy.Jay LonnerBellingham, WA



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Re: [RBW] rack for Wald 139

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I really like my big Pelago rack which…I’d send a pic but it’s between bikes. But I’d recommend this one as well. On Apr 11, 2023, at 19:11, Keith Paugh  wrote:I have a Sim Works Obento under my 139 Half basket.It has a slightly wider footprint than the other racks I researched, and has been fantastic.Very stable & light. I’ve been really pleased.That being said, if I was going to do it again (and might do anyway), I think I’d get a Pass & Stow rack.I love that you can run your generator light cable internally, and I think the welded support struts look stronger and more nicely laid out than anything else I’ve seen.The times I’ve seen a photo of a bike and said “ooo, what rack is that?!” - it’s usually been a Pass & Stow.k.On Apr 11, 2023, at 6:09 PM, J Schwartz  wrote:Thanks NickI haven't seen tha, but looking at it, I think it may be too small ...the platform is 9.5" long so the 139 would hang 3.5" off the front .Definitely keeping weight in mind and also surface area below the basket.  I suspect something both wider and longer would be best.On Tuesday, April 11, 2023 at 8:55:20 PM UTC-4 nicklin...@gmail.com wrote:Have you considered a “Soma Lucas 3”?  Approx. $60 I believe.   Comes in black and silver. I have one and use it with a 137 and like it a lot.  Might work well with a 139.  Do keep the amount of weight you might want to carry (for safety) in mind though.  NickSent from my iPadOn Apr 11, 2023, at 5:29 PM, J Schwartz  wrote:GreetingsI'm interested in racking my Wald 139 big basket and am curious what ppl are using for a rack.I just got an email that the basket rack is back in stock at RBW, and I'm considering just buying it but I'm really just not onboard with spending $288 on a front rack despite how well it's made and special it is..  I may pull the trigger on it anyway but wanted to check here to see what users of the 139 are doing to attach it to the fronts of their bikes.I already have an old Nitto R14 "Top Rack" that I know some people have used in the front and zipped a 139 on top.  Mine is older and doesn't have any diving board provisions so it's only 4 struts but I assume it's strong enough if installed well.   My intention was to use that rack on the rear of the bike though.Any suggestions for a support for the 139 that isn't $288?thanksJS



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[RBW] Tosco sought

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I posted this a while back, no luck, and someone else posted today so they get 
first dibs on the fresh post but I am still looking for a Tosco bar.
I’m located in Sacramento and my first choice is the 60cm (25.4).
Please reply off list if you have one for sale (and the other person said no) 
with the shipped price. 

Thanks, Liz in Sacramento 

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Re: [RBW] PSA. Gringineer Cycles vintage parts site

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They’re very active on IG, responsive and seem legit. Gringineer Cycles (@gringineercycles) • Instagram photos and videosinstagram.comOn Mar 27, 2023, at 09:52, maxcr  wrote:I fell down the Suntour rabbit hole and stumbled into this site - thought you'd enjoy it: https://www.gringineer.com/I haven't bought anything, but they have some nice things including NOS Suntour parts, etc and free shipping.Seems legit and I saw the owner Joel has an LBS in Minnesota and an appreciation for vintage bikes and parts. I emailed him looking for a silver 1" Suntour brake hanger and he was very responsiveAnyone from the area know them?Max



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Re: [RBW] Re: Let's talk about the All Rounder

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Pretty bike, interesting that the Super Yummys are snug, I have them on my 2004 Atlantis and they fit great. For whatever reason I assumed the AR would be more roomy. On Mar 26, 2023, at 18:46, vernon brooks  wrote:I have been working on building up a recently purchased what I believe to be AR frame. I don't know much aside from it belonged to a guy in the St Louis area that had passed away. There is a date written in permanent marker (4/30/2004) on the fork in permIt marker and a partly visible serial number that is under the plastic cable guide on the lower part of the bottom bracket lug. The paint is very nice for a nearly 20 year old frame but thats what you get with a JB paint job. It has been fun sorting through parts I mostly had already and piecing this one together. Rich from Riv did build up a nice new set of wheels. Typically I put drop bars on my bikes but I decided to try something a little different this time. I'll include a picture of the current setup I am running. The 26X2.22 tires are maybe a little too snug but are fun for the trails in my area.Hope you all had a great weekend,Vern in San Francisco On Saturday, March 25, 2023 at 10:39:08 AM UTC-7 iamkeith wrote:For interest's sake, here's the original order form from when my AR was built, indicating available and buyer-selected options.  At the time (mid 1998 originally, but  mid 1999, by the time it was finalized), it looks like the mid-fork blade braze-ons were called "low-rider" rack mounts.  I've always thought that the nitto campee mini-rack was a Rivendell design, and may have happened later than this, and been designed to be backward compatible for older frames that selected this option.  That would explain why only some older frames don't have them, but most new ones do.On Thursday, March 23, 2023 at 6:49:54 AM UTC-6 James Valiensi wrote:Hi,Well that is interesting. I had the impression they hadn’t done the rack mounts earlier, from the conversations I had with them when placing my order. Perhaps it was a rare request back then. Anyways - I am happy the mounts are more or less standard now a days, they are so useful!That green bike is very nice.On Mar 22, 2023, at 5:07 PM, Andrew Letton  wrote:
My Joe Stark '99 All-Rounder has rack mounts on the fork blades.  Was it maybe just that Curt had not yet done rack mounts on the fork blades for Rivs at that point?cheers,Andrew in Sydney





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Hi,When I ordered my custom Rivendell in 2002 I requested rack mounts on the fork blades. They hadn’t done this before. I had to send a drawing showing what I wanted. They agreed and Curt Goodrich made my frame. Joe Stark was supposed to be my builder, but he went of the reversvation before he started on it. I met Curt a few times and I’m super happy with his work. So, front rack mounts were not part of the normal Rivendell catalog 20 years ago.JamesOn Mar 10, 2023, at 11:31 AM, m f  wrote:Hi - I'm new here! Not sure how many of you saw this on eBay over the past few months, but I was able to work with the seller and found a way to buy this 2000 All-Rounder (Curt Goodrich). I have a couple updates in mind (sweptback handlebar, Brooks saddle), but those will happen with time. First step will be new tires and tuning the mechanicals (Dura Ace except for crankset) so I can get a ride or two under my belt. If the seller is in this group - thanks again for all the help!Questions for the group: It seems odd to find an All Rounder, or any Riv for that matter, without rack mounts on the upper/mid fork blade. Would this have been a special request to not have them?What are the markers that indicate the frame was painted at Joe Bell's shop?On Sunday, March 20, 2022 at 8:09:10 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:The All Rounder like the XO-1 before it gets a lot of interest and praise, but I think that, like the XO-1 that preceeded it, it is an early design that has been superseded and bettered by later Grantian bikes, starting with the Atlantis and continuing with the Sam Hillborne and doubtless the more recent models.I say this having owned an XO-1 and having bought a custom Road based on the All Rounder, with lighter (753) tubing and slightly more upright hta (IIRC). My 1999 and 2003 Road customs, also built for 26" wheels, are better "All Round" both on pavement and in dirt than either XO-1 and the first Road custom, with much longer chainstays, slightly sacker head, and upsloping tts with extended head tubes. I say again that the later Road customs ride better on dirt, particularly sandy surfaces, than the XO-1 and the first gen, AR-based road custom.I think -- but I am open to reasoned rebuttal -- that an Atlantis or Sam Hill would be better for all round riding than either 

Re: [RBW] Rivendell Garage Sale Saturday

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Hey thank you Matthew!On Mar 25, 2023, at 15:01, Matthew Williams  wrote:Lucky, I looked for a Tosco for you but I didn't see one, sorry!Some more Scenes From a Swap Meet:



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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Garage Sale Saturday

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Still bummed to have missed this.I bet my Tosco bar was sad to miss me!Nice Hardrock I see!On Mar 25, 2023, at 10:52, Doug Van Cleve  wrote:Is that custom paint, or was there an orange Atlantis at some point?DougOn Sat, Mar 25, 2023 at 10:08 AM Keith Paugh  wrote:Did you achieve #7?(Beautiful Atlantis )k.On Mar 25, 2023, at 9:53 AM, Matthew Williams  wrote:



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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Garage Sale Saturday

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Is anyone from Sacramento going?I really wanted to go but ended up on call this weekend.I want a Tosco bar and planned to go get one but maybe there’s a sale one at the garage sale.If anyone from Sacramento was going and could look for a Tosco for me, I can pay immediately on demand. Please reply offlist.Liz in Sacramento On Mar 24, 2023, at 05:00, Eric Marth  wrote:Brendan — Since one's a racer/half-basket I think that throws off your calculus. How exactly, I can't be sure. On Thursday, March 23, 2023 at 11:21:35 PM UTC-4 Brendan Willard in SF wrote:I'll be there.  I set the Sam to carry home mode.  If I mount a 137 and a 139, do I have a Wald 276?On Thursday, March 23, 2023 at 8:20:53 PM UTC-7 Brendan Willard in SF wrote:On Thursday, March 23, 2023 at 8:20:23 PM UTC-7 Brendan Willard in SF wrote:I'll be there.  I set the Sam to carry home mode.  If I mount a 137 and a 139, do I have a Wald 376?On Thursday, March 23, 2023 at 6:18:54 PM UTC-7 divis...@gmail.com wrote:I'm going to use my usual get-to-WC method:1) wake, dress, coffee+carbs+insulin2) ride the four miles uphill from West Berkeley to Rockridge BART on my Trek 720 (I'm barely a mile from North Berkeley and Berkeley BART stations, but they're on a different line. I'd have to go to MacArthur to change trains, and backtracking ticks me off. Rockridge is the last stop on the Diablo Valley line before you cross the hills)3) ride to Walnut Creek BART, about 2 blocks from RBWHQFigure about 1 hour travel time, assuming that BART isn't cancelling alternate trains the way they've done every other time I've gone to Walnut Creek this year.Fortunately, they're starting at 10AM, instead of the 8 or 9AM that used to be the start time. I might actually get out the door at a reasonable hour and get there on time, to see if the NDS TA Criterium crankarm (which Joe Bunik said had gone AWOL somewhere about ten years ago, when I bought the DS arm) has finally resurfaced.Peter "if I've only got panniers, that caps what I can buy and carry off" AdlerBerkeley, CA/USAOn Thursday, March 23, 2023 at 2:45:45 PM UTC-7 Greg J wrote:I'm planning to ride over on my A/R, if anyone wants to join me.



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Re: [RBW] Gus is complete!

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That looks awesome! Congrats!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bike rack suggestions

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It’s very easy to use and install but I have the Heavy Duty two bike rack and find it very heavy and awkward. I have to add the other two additional trays once it’s on the car or I won’t be able to carry it alone. Even in two bike configuration I use my teen son to help carry. Me: healthy and relatively fit 48 year old femaleOn Feb 22, 2023, at 18:05, John Bokman  wrote:What about ease of installation? Are these 1UPS user-friendly in that regard? I am interested in the 1UP for all the reasons already mentioned, but also, because sometimes I'd have one bike, and sometimes I'd have to carry my wife's bike, and 2 kids' bikes, also. Nice to have the option of the add-ons (although getting ridiculously expensive). I think I'm finally done with putting my bike up on top of the car. Sadly, I'm not as strong and nimble as I was in my 20s, and my Rivendell is HEAVY (and I have a Sam).On Wednesday, February 22, 2023 at 7:26:20 AM UTC-8 bmfo...@gmail.com wrote:Also adding my vote/appreciation for the 1up. It is the best rack I have used, although 90% of time I use it I am carrying multiple mountain bikes so the fender is not an issue. The fact it contains 0 plastic was a big selling point for me. What I've done w/ fendered bikes is:1. Push front wheel arm against the tire2. Lightly push rear wheel arm against the rear fender3. Put a strap around the rear rim and rack tray at the 6o'clock position. This is similar to how the thule T2 rack and some others operate. The front arm keeps the bike from falling over laterally or moving forward, and the strap keeps the rear wheel from bouncing up or the bike from moving backwards.Another approach i've mocked up but not actually tried is moving the horizontal 'pin' in the rear wheel arm down so that it contacts the tire below the rear fender. This would provide secure resistance against forward and back motion, but would still require the extra strap to keep the rear wheel from bouncing up.I had an older thule T2 for awhile. It did work well w/ fendered bikes but overall it was not as user friendly or well-built as the 1up imo.-BrianOn Tuesday, February 21, 2023 at 10:43:05 PM UTC-6 jacob...@gmail.com wrote:You don’t have to go that hard. I just get super paranoid. I know the bike can’t go anywhere but you never know…. I personally think the Thule rack is easier to use but the 1Up is much lighter. It installs in about a minute. That 1Up fender attachment looks interesting. My mountain bike just got fendered but I haven’t mounted it in the rack yet. I don’t know that I would trust not being able to crush that tire (paranoia). Sent from my iPhoneOn Feb 21, 2023, at 10:33 PM, DamonLee  wrote:I thought the same thing Leah, it looks soft but not grippy therefore requiring downwards force to hold it. The swagman looks good as it doesn't rely on clamping the tops of the wheels in any capacity.The deformation on the tires in jacobs photo makes me think I'd never want to put that kind of pressure on a fender.DamonOn Wednesday, February 22, 2023 at 6:51:28 AM UTC+11 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:I am following this thread with interest. I have the Saris Freedom 4 bike rack, but that company seems to be lessening their quality and maybe even phasing out this rack. They have a new modular system they seem to want you to buy, and it isn’t going to play nice with mixtes with fenders. Now, I have heard so much good about the 1Up rack, but honestly HOW is that fender cushion gonna work? Won’t it just mash my metal fenders? Push them out of shape? Mess up the alignment? Maybe someone with a fendered mixte wouldn’t mind posting it on their 1Up rack? LeahOn Tuesday, February 21, 2023 at 8:44:49 AM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
Toshi,Occasionally, you can find 
the Yakima roof rack with Raptor bars with a claw on Craigslist:https://seattle.craigslist.org/est/bop/d/bellevue-yakima-lockjaw-upright-roof/7587045203.htmlI have the Yakima Raptor roof rack with two trays. I recently modified two trays into one for my 80" Clem Smith Jr. "L" bike. One day, I will not be able to lift my bike over my head onto the tray. For now, it works. Kim HetzelYelm, WA. 
On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 9:15:11 AM UTC-8 ttoshi wrote:Hi Jacob—it looks like the rear wheel bar on the 1up would crunch on my full coverage rear fender. What do you think?I use a Yakima roof rack with Raptor bars with a claw for my wife’s Betty, but those racks don’t seem to be sold anymore.Another alternative is a trunk rack with a top tube adapter for step throughs/mixtes.I bought a bar but have never needed to use it yet. Has anyone had any luck with those?Toshi in Oakland On Mon, Feb 20, 2023 at 4:30 AM Jacob Byard  wrote:I’ve got a 1up and a Thule t2. The Thule would not work with fenders. My 1pu is the single bike option and does a great job. Here’s a pic with an xl Gus. Road solid for about 50 miles of interstate and country roads. -JacobSent from my iPhoneOn Feb 20, 2023, at 7:10 AM, Brian 

Re: [RBW] Re: Bike rack suggestions

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Hey! That’s cool, thanks Scott. Time to make some fender cushions.On Feb 20, 2023, at 10:56, greenteadrinkers  wrote:If your car has a hitch with a 2" receiver and you can afford it, don't waste your money on anything other than a 1Up. You can get a single-bike heavy-duty rack for $430, the rack is expandable for up to 4 bikes, with each bike weighing no more than 50 lbs.https://www.1up-usa.com/product/quik-rack-single/1Up also offers a solution to accommodate fenders, which cost $13 per wheel: https://www.1up-usa.com/product/fender-cushion/IMO, don't waste your time or money on anything else.ScottOn Monday, February 20, 2023 at 12:20:41 PM UTC-5 Lucky wrote:I have a 1up also and have experienced interference with the fenders and the front rack/basket. I’m not sure any ideal combo of rack exists if you have these things on your bike. I certainly tried to find a solution that keeps the bike off the roof, and keeps bikes from rubbing/banging together. The 1up was the closest I could find to ideal. On Feb 20, 2023, at 09:15, Toshi Takeuchi  wrote:Hi Jacob—it looks like the rear wheel bar on the 1up would crunch on my full coverage rear fender. What do you think?I use a Yakima roof rack with Raptor bars with a claw for my wife’s Betty, but those racks don’t seem to be sold anymore.Another alternative is a trunk rack with a top tube adapter for step throughs/mixtes.I bought a bar but have never needed to use it yet. Has anyone had any luck with those?Toshi in Oakland On Mon, Feb 20, 2023 at 4:30 AM Jacob Byard  wrote:I’ve got a 1up and a Thule t2. The Thule would not work with fenders. My 1pu is the single bike option and does a great job. Here’s a pic with an xl Gus. Road solid for about 50 miles of interstate and country roads. -JacobSent from my iPhoneOn Feb 20, 2023, at 7:10 AM, Brian Turner  wrote:If I had to do it all over, I’d definitely go with a 1up rack. My Küat NV2.0 is great, and I’m fine with how it works with fenders and racks… but I feel like a 1up would be more secure in those cases. Also, my Medium Gus at 50” wheelbase is the absolute maximum length the Küat will handle.On Feb 20, 2023, at 1:05 AM, JAS  wrote:The 1Up rack has worked really well for me too.  It's spendy, but well made and has worked well with my Clem, Platypus and Bike Friday (all have fenders).JoyceOn Sunday, February 19, 2023 at 9:38:15 PM UTC-8 JW wrote:We love our 1UP rack and it works pretty well with fenders.On Sunday, February 19, 2023 at 9:24:08 PM UTC-8 Pam Bikes wrote:Looking for recommendations for a bike rack for a Prius for my fendered Betty.  Lots of tray mount racks seem to not be made for fenders.  And the hanging style would need a bar since my Betty is a step through.  This isn't for my car.  I don't like to drive.  Thanks in advance.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Bike rack suggestions

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I have a 1up also and have experienced interference with the fenders and the front rack/basket. I’m not sure any ideal combo of rack exists if you have these things on your bike. I certainly tried to find a solution that keeps the bike off the roof, and keeps bikes from rubbing/banging together. The 1up was the closest I could find to ideal. On Feb 20, 2023, at 09:15, Toshi Takeuchi  wrote:Hi Jacob—it looks like the rear wheel bar on the 1up would crunch on my full coverage rear fender. What do you think?I use a Yakima roof rack with Raptor bars with a claw for my wife’s Betty, but those racks don’t seem to be sold anymore.Another alternative is a trunk rack with a top tube adapter for step throughs/mixtes.I bought a bar but have never needed to use it yet. Has anyone had any luck with those?Toshi in Oakland On Mon, Feb 20, 2023 at 4:30 AM Jacob Byard  wrote:I’ve got a 1up and a Thule t2. The Thule would not work with fenders. My 1pu is the single bike option and does a great job. Here’s a pic with an xl Gus. Road solid for about 50 miles of interstate and country roads. -JacobSent from my iPhoneOn Feb 20, 2023, at 7:10 AM, Brian Turner  wrote:If I had to do it all over, I’d definitely go with a 1up rack. My Küat NV2.0 is great, and I’m fine with how it works with fenders and racks… but I feel like a 1up would be more secure in those cases. Also, my Medium Gus at 50” wheelbase is the absolute maximum length the Küat will handle.On Feb 20, 2023, at 1:05 AM, JAS  wrote:The 1Up rack has worked really well for me too.  It's spendy, but well made and has worked well with my Clem, Platypus and Bike Friday (all have fenders).JoyceOn Sunday, February 19, 2023 at 9:38:15 PM UTC-8 JW wrote:We love our 1UP rack and it works pretty well with fenders.On Sunday, February 19, 2023 at 9:24:08 PM UTC-8 Pam Bikes wrote:Looking for recommendations for a bike rack for a Prius for my fendered Betty.  Lots of tray mount racks seem to not be made for fenders.  And the hanging style would need a bar since my Betty is a step through.  This isn't for my car.  I don't like to drive.  Thanks in advance.



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Re: [RBW] Leker Leks Albacore bar (Simworks Ramble etc)

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I’m just very interested in all the bars coming out…the Worm bar is another (Magic Components) On Feb 2, 2023, at 10:40, Doug Van Cleve  wrote:Looks kinda cool, love the cottage industry aspect of it.  All of these types of bars seem VERY derivative of RBW and/or Nitto products though, IMHO of course.  Also pretty sure the steel Nitto stuff will also rust under the right (wrong ;^) conditions...DougOn Thu, Feb 2, 2023 at 10:31 AM Eliot Balogh  wrote:I think it looks cool but I’m pretty put off by the fact that it will rust…On Thu, Feb 2, 2023 at 8:28 AM  wrote:Speaking of the Ramble bar, has anyone checked out the Albacore bar by Lekerleks? Leker bars to be sold by Hope Cyclery. Sold at Mack’s Bikes and Goods. Made in PA. A wide steel Albatross inspired bar. Not sure they’re out there in the world yet.




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[RBW] Leker Leks Albacore bar (Simworks Ramble etc)

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Speaking of the Ramble bar, has anyone checked out the Albacore bar by 
Lekerleks? Leker bars to be sold by Hope Cyclery. Sold at Mack’s Bikes and 
Goods. Made in PA. A wide steel Albatross inspired bar. Not sure they’re out 
there in the world yet.

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[RBW] Hope Cyclery

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For those who aren’t on IG, Hope Cyclery in Johnstown, PA has one XL gold Susie 
partial build/frame/complete, 30% off Surly/All-City/Kona, and some nice parts 
on sale now (Paul etc) 

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[RBW] Saw my first Clem in person

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In SF at Haight Street. 
You: dark orange Clem L looked to be size L
Me: wide eyed admirer, to shy to say hi

Nice bike!

Blurry stalker pic: 

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Re: [RBW] My First Riv: Clem Smith Jr. L, it's all the way live

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What a great looking, useful bike!On Jan 18, 2023, at 11:47, mm  wrote:Welp, it's been a little under two years and I'm still very much in love with this bike. Dare I say favorite bike ever?  By far my favorite Riv ever; I had an orange Ram and a Toyo Homer since buying the Clem to chase the high but both didn't stick around too long.I've enjoyed countless miles of big smile casual riding, errand running, and short loaded tours. In summation this bike shines because of how versatile it is. I've ridden other bikes with "do it all" intentions (cross bike w/ racks) but the handling had much to be desired; far too responsive on the front end and too uncomfortable/sketchy when loaded on the rear end. Clem L fulfills the ability to be loaded and ride well. I really don't have any interest in drop bar touring bikes at any capacity while I have Clem L.Anywho, I just wanted to check in and share some iterations of the build, currently with a 1x12 transmission! I had a low-normal XT for a short time which was totally acceptable and novel. I think the best upgrade or change was the Sim Works Fun Bar 3 (RIP Terry Hall), I can't imagine going back to a bosco-type cockpit. If you're thinking about Clem L I highly suggest you CLEM IT UP. -Matt<52632307568_d17dede0d7_c.jpg><51274416243_3a37f1c90e_c.jpg><51273225695_70bd27b36c_c.jpg><52492573337_a65168034f_c (1).jpg><52303354108_fca2254841_c.jpg><52283682710_42d1a82bf8_c.jpg><51963057161_323262246a_c.jpg>



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Re: [RBW] Suntour and sardine stickers (and more hats)

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Dang those sardines are cute. GLWS!On Dec 29, 2022, at 15:06, Eric Marth  wrote:I have some new Suntour stickers and another batch of hats, if that's your thing! And I have some more sardine stickers (as seen on some bikes at Rivendell HQ)I've migrated over to Big Cartel as fielding orders through individual emails was a bit tricky to manage :) https://genericindustries.bigcartel.com/Thanks for looking



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[RBW] Re: Want to buy one or two Technomics

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George kindly reminded me that the Tallux is longer quilled so if anyone has 
that 110 in a Tallux vs regular Technomic I am interested. (Also the internet 
says it’s stronger, being cold forged) 
Apologies for the many posts. 

Liz

> On Dec 29, 2022, at 08:53, luckytur...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> I am looking for two used Technomic stems, 25.4 clamp, a 110mm and a 120mm. 
> Please email me off list if you have one or both for sale, with shipping to 
> 95818.
> Prefer used for the cost savings. 
> Thanks! Liz

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[RBW] Want to buy one or two Technomics

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I am looking for two used Technomic stems, 25.4 clamp, a 110mm and a 120mm. 
Please email me off list if you have one or both for sale, with shipping to 
95818.
Prefer used for the cost savings. 
Thanks! Liz 

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[RBW] Test

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I posted a message that was bounced back, running a test here
—Liz

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell-esq fat bike

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I just saw a lovely Tumbleweed Prospector on Tumbleweed’s IG set up as a fatbike with 26x4On Dec 15, 2022, at 13:39, Brian Turner  wrote:Speaking of Riv-esque? How about the Tanglefoot Bull Thistle? Pricey and extravagant for sure, but it sure is lovely. It's made by my buddy Alex Meade, too.On Thu, Dec 15, 2022 at 4:29 PM Coal Bee Rye Anne  wrote:There's also the updated Crust Scapegoat/bot which takes up to 26x4" through 29x3"https://crustbikes.com/collections/frames/products/scapegoatOn Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 4:23:20 PM UTC-5 Coal Bee Rye Anne wrote:I forgot the Blackborow was redesigned as a cargo long tail... I was never in the market for such a thing but did initially have a slight interest in the v1 Blackborow with the dinglespeed build: https://www.salsacycles.com/bikes/2015_blackborow_dsHere's a TI fat bike from Bearclaw with 463 chainstays, over 1000 wheelbase across all sizes and 1177 WB/66cm toptube at my XL size which rivals the 66 or 67cm TT of my Clem H, though angles of 73/70.5  definitely differ than 72.5/72.5 of my Clem.  No experience with fat bikes or Bearclaw in general but recall coming across some other Bearclaw models online and that they had a fat-fat tired model. https://bearclawbicycleco.com/frank-titanium-fat-bike/On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 3:53:02 PM UTC-5 Slin wrote:Joe - Have you taken a look at fat tire cargo bikes like the Surly Big Fat Dummy? Or the Salsa Blackborow? I don't have experience with either, but maybe they could be options to fit your use case?SOn Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 11:21:16 AM UTC-8 Joe D. wrote:Hello Rivendell aficionados! The short version: I’d like some advice on picking a fat bike (4-5” wide tires) that shares similar ride characteristics with the current crop of Rivendell long chainstay-long wheelbase bikes (e.g. Clem, Atlantis, Platy, Gus/Susie).The long version: I’m in the market for a full-on fat bike, with true 4-5 inch wide tires. I live in Montana and my previous winter riding with studded 3 inch tires just wasn’t enough. We’re a one car family, so in addition to riding on winter trails or snowy forest service roads for fun, I’ll use the bike for groceries and errands as well. And as much as I’d love an Atlantis or Platy for dirt roads, bike camping, and light trail use, the more economical choice would be to get a set of 29 inch wheels for a fat bike and run 2.8 or 3 inch tires in non-snow season for an all year off-road bike. Hence the importance of making a good choice now. How I came to desire a Rivendell-esq fat bike: A friend in another state got a 2019 Clem and raves about the comfy, stable ride with the long  chain stays/wheelbase. But the real kicker was when I got a Yuba Mundo Lux cargo bike (https://yubabikes.com/cargobikestore/yuba-mundo-lux/) for hauling my two kids around. The swept back bars get me sitting upright, and the crazy long chainstay (753mm) and wheelbase (1410) make 150lb loads totally manageable. It’s like a Cadillac. Since the Yuba, I’ve vowed that all my bikes will be long and upright. Fortunately upright stems and swept back bars can take care of the upright part for near any bike, so that leaves chainstay/wheelbase length as the big question for a fat bike.For reference, scroll down here (https://bikeinsights.com/compare?geometries=5d1ae74763bde8001707cf36,5e1faf637f17da00170c6e28,) and you can see the chainstay/wheelbase lengths on the Clem and Atlantis, both ~550mm for chainstays and ~1235mm for wheelbase. For fat bikes, consider these two models (https://bikeinsights.com/compare?geometries=5ff009522655ff0017c6e96a,61c0a2add559210021256cf2,). The Wyatt can actually have a longer wheelbase than the Rivendells with its sliding dropouts (1250 max wheelbase). But its chainstay is only 465, still long-ish for mountain bikes but not near what a Riv or cargo bike is. It achieves that with a slack head tube angle that pushes the front tire way out front.Alternatively, the Giant fat bike in the link has a similar max chainstay length as the Wyatt (460mm) but a shorter wheelbase (1170mm), leading to a more centered position on the bike. I’m unable to find any fat bikes with the combination of long chainstay/wheelbase that the Rivendell’s have.Any tips on which bike, and which geometry approach in general, would get me closest to the Rivendell/cargo bike-like comfort and ride quality? Other fat bikes? For simplicities sake, I guess don’t evaluate factors other than geometry, like frame material. For what it’s worth, there are very few chromoly fat bikes.(Sorry for the length! I appreciate anyone getting into such a bike-nerdy discussion)- Joe



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Re: [RBW] Re: Pedals, MKS XC Bear Trap III vs. MKS Bubble Pedals

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Unhelpful to the spin convo but I was pretty disappointed at the lack of grip with the beartrap. They look great but riding in Converse my feet just slip too much. Just traded one of my three sets for a pair of Lambdas. Are the Bubbly pedals grippy?On Dec 9, 2022, at 07:49, Minh  wrote:i have the bubbly (in copper, had to order from japan last year), and they do spin crazy with your hand, but i'm not really sure if there is a lot of value to this?  one thing i'd like to hear is people's feedback on the bubbly and hot spots, IMHO, i can feel the edges of the bubbly cage more than my lambda pedals.   but then i ride in soft sneakers.  On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 10:26:43 AM UTC-5 maxcr wrote:Thank you everyone for your replies, here's my takeaway after reading your comments and taking apart the bear traps to make sure they were properly greased and tightened (full disclosure this is the first pedal I take apart):I found this video from Ron: https://youtu.be/sjGrbm2XxhM - take a look at minute 5:10 - mine definitely don't spin like that, but I'm not sure why, maybe they'll get smoother with use, since these are brand new out of the box.It does seem like Simworks Bubbly & sealed cartridge will feel way smoother than Bear Traps period, but that might not translate to any improved feeling when pedaling. Also, the consensus is that Bear Traps are ok/good pedals.Thanks again, I'll install them and see how they feel.MaxOn Friday, December 9, 2022 at 9:29:22 AM UTC-5 fra...@gmail.com wrote:The bear trap will get smoother over time but never match the Bubbly, the Bubbly is the smoothest pedal I’ve ever seen. I prefer the larger platform of the Bubbly (they are on my commuter) but haven’t bought a set to replace my bear trap pedals on my Susie. Nothing wrong with the bear traps at all. On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 1:49:46 AM UTC-8 Garth wrote:Max,  your description sounds like they may be adjusted too tight, and/or you're simply noticing a difference between the open and cartridge bearings. Most pedals that I've owned didn't come with much grease either. More grease until it oozes out the sides !  Then make sure the bearing isn't loaded too much. Pedals from the factory are no guarantee of proper adjustment, not unlike Shimano hubs. As for the ability to spin, as long as it spins freely, it'll spin freely. Don't bother comparing the "feel" to cartridge bearing hubs because they're not cartridge bearings in the hubs. Neither bearing type means one will spin better or worse than the other.On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 1:50:12 AM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:I have the OG Suntours and they spin for days. Get a rebuilt pair plus add some vintage charm!On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 7:22:36 PM UTC-8 Jared Wilson wrote:Hey Max,Can't speak to the "why" aspect, but you're not crazy in your observation.We have (3) pairs of the BL BT III and (1) pair of the Bubbly pedals and they're not in the same category. Not to say there's anything wrong with the Bear Traps, but the Bubbly pedals are on an entirely different level.That said, either option good and you shouldn't regret your decision, you did what works for the time being and maybe later on down the road you get to try the alternative, but I wouldn't dwell on it all that much.Jared in SLOOn Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 7:05:10 PM UTC-8 maxcr wrote:Hi Everyone,I decided to get new pedals for the bike I'm building. First I went to my LBS (Cambridge Bicycles) and they suggested the Simworks Bubbly pedals - I really liked the spin on them and the looks, but unfortunately they only had the olives in stock. They sent me to the Simworks website, but the polished were sold out. (Their next order was going to be in about a month at best)Reading through the forum I saw good comments on the Blue Lug Bear Trap III and ordered them in silver. They arrived today and I'm surprised because they feel much less smooth than the bubbly ones. To be fair they are much less expensive $62 vs $100 but still, is this normal?Is it the lack of sealed bearings that affects rotational performance?Will I feel a real difference if I go with one over the other?Thanks for your opinions and knowledge.Max in Boston



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[RBW] Anyone in Sacramento have a Tosco bar?

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I’m looking to mock up a build with a Tosco before I commit. Anyone in 
Sacramento area happen to have one?
—Liz

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Re: [RBW] Re: When the Rivs are sold out and you need a bike for daily commuting...

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One of my favorite step thru bikes I gaze at online is Chucky Berl’s (Marygold 
Cyclery) Specialized Hard Rock built up as a upright touring/all-rounder bike. 
It reminds me of the Bosco Platy and makes me want to build one. 

> On Nov 13, 2022, at 08:23, Roberta  wrote:
> 
> 
> Nice!  I think mixte/ step thru frames are terrific for commuting, especially 
> if there’s a lot of stop and go. There’s something calming about riding mine 
> after a day at work. 
> 
> Roberta
>> On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 3:24:56 PM UTC-5 Stephanie A. wrote:
>> You might head to your LBS and pick up this guy:
>> 
>> I bought a Bianchi Torino Dama, in the late spring to commute around a 
>> college town (Princeton) and prepare to go car-free in my next stop 
>> (Boston). It's taken a couple of months to turn this into something that 
>> better suits my needs--mostly because of stock issues and uncertainty about 
>> what I actually needed. Grab some coffee, tea, and a snack, because it's 
>> been a journey.
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Re: [RBW] Using Your Rivendell Vs. Being Precious: A Spectrum

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Austin City Limits needs valet bike parking like Sacramento Area Bicycle 
Advocates offers at concerts. I parked a lot of crazy nice bikes at Aftershock 
this year! No Rivendells on my night though. 
In context, I ride my Atlantis and lean it on stuff and let it get scratches 
and dirty, but in the absence of bike valet or what I know to be safe parking, 
I don’t lock it to public racks.

> On Nov 8, 2022, at 16:34, Jim Bronson  wrote:
> 
> 
> I ride my Rivendells for almost everything, but I'm not going to lock them up 
> outside a grocery store or a bar.  Or an outdoor music festival, like Austin 
> City Limits with 75,000 people.  I have my beater for those things.
> 
> The Rivs get 99% of all the riding I do.  They get rode hard and put away 
> wet.  Grant needent fret.
> 
> Jim
> Austin suburbs, TX
> 
>> On Sat, Nov 5, 2022 at 5:15 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>  wrote:
>> Did you read Grant’s Blahg? He covers a lot of ground, but most notable to 
>> me was the Please Don’t Be Precious About Your Rivendell section. In sum, 
>> Grant is saying it saddens him to think of people riding beater bikes 
>> instead of their Rivendells to do daily, monotonous tasks - because those 
>> tasks make up a lot of real life. If one “saves” their Rivendell, it will 
>> not realize its potential, sit mostly unused and then pass to one’s heirs 
>> who will sell it in “near mint” condition on EBay, and how sad. What was the 
>> bike for?
>> 
>> I have found myself both guilty and innocent on the matter. My #1 favorite 
>> bike is my raspberry Platypus. I ride it all the time, because I bought it 
>> to ride it, but I also dread any harm coming to it, and I do guard it from 
>> that. I got a second Platypus that I dedicated to shopping and traveling 
>> with and promised not to be precious about it. But now and then I still am 
>> tempted to backslide. When traveling to the Philly Bike Expo I dithered 
>> about which bike to bring. I didn’t want my raspberry Platy damaged while 
>> locked up at racks and I feared it being stolen. Roberta said, “I don’t 
>> think you have a choice, Leah. That’s the bike people will expect you to 
>> bring.” And she was right, and I did. 
>> 
>> Then, there is Pam. Pam is at the other far end of the spectrum. Her bike is 
>> a model of beausage. Innumerable paint chips and little spots of rust cover 
>> her tiny Betty frame. Her Backabike bags are full of holes and the elastic 
>> closures are worn out. She locks it up and never worries about it. She did 
>> not obsessively stare out the restaurant window to see if it was still 
>> locked to the rack while we were at dinner (like yours truly). But she loves 
>> her bike, has real affection for it. She looked at me, eyes shining, and 
>> said exactly that. Ana, PurpleRiv, is another good example to us. She adores 
>> her bike, but has not spared it from hard work. Her bike has hauled obscene 
>> loads and taken her everywhere. I remember there was that one fateful 
>> camping trip for she 1. Posed it for a photo, only to have it topple and 
>> slide down the face of a boulder next to it. I believe she said she sat 
>> there and wept for 2 hours over her Joe Bell paint. And who among us would 
>> not do the same? 2. Same trip, another photo op, and the bike fell off a 
>> cliff. 
>> 
>> So, who truly loves their Rivendell? The one who lavishes it with care and 
>> protection? Or the one who pulls it out of the garage and into all of life - 
>> the mundane and the adventurous? 
>> 
>> On one end of the spectrum we have those who will only take a Rivendell out 
>> for special occasions so as not to spoil it, and on the other…well, we have 
>> Pam and Ana, who will give it a good thrashing. (Oh, don’t take it 
>> personally, friends, I’m being funny about both types of owners.)
>> 
>> I find myself wanting to be precious but fighting it and succeeding *most* 
>> of the time. I’m lucky that the raspberry paint hides beausage and dirt, so 
>> it looks pretty new. But a dent in the top tube or a large chip in the paint 
>> would really hurt my feelings. Heaven help me. 
>> 
>> Where are you on the spectrum? What words of wisdom might you have? What 
>> strategies do you employ? Do you want to change? Or are you unapologetically 
>> staying put on the matter? It might be fun to hear perspectives.
>> Leah
>> 
>> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Roscoe geo

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I just went looking for it and didn’t find it, was about to ask where it us.
—Liz

> On Nov 2, 2022, at 10:20, Johnny Alien  wrote:
> 
> Have they posted the Platy geometry? It seems to me they don't publish that 
> info anymore like they used to.
> 
>> On Wednesday, November 2, 2022 at 11:08:58 AM UTC-4 Wesley wrote:
>> Hi Liz,
>> Rosco Platy geometry is identical to the Platypus frame, so you can check 
>> those numbers.
>> -W
>> 
>>> On Wednesday, November 2, 2022 at 7:36:44 AM UTC-7 Lucky wrote:
>>> Good morning all, I apologize if this is easily obtained info but I’m 
>>> looking for the Roscoe Platy geometry and not finding it. I find 
>>> conversations about it but not the numbers. Can someone please direct me? 
>>> Thanks, Liz in Sacramento
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[RBW] Roscoe geo

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Good morning all, I apologize if this is easily obtained info but I’m looking 
for the Roscoe Platy geometry and not finding it. I find conversations about it 
but not the numbers. Can someone please direct me?
Thanks, Liz in Sacramento 

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Re: [RBW] Flyer vs. B67

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I have both seats. I prefer the B67 for bolt upright where I’m more back on my 
butt,  and the Flyer goes on my mountain bikes/more lean-over bikes. Flyer is 
narrower by quite a bit. It’s a B17 with springs. 

> On Aug 29, 2022, at 10:00, schralp  wrote:
> 
> Just joined after purchasing my first Country bike; a beaut of a lime olive 
> platypus. Goal is to get more upright and it was outfitted with albatross 
> bars which are about perfect. However, I put my Brooks professional from the 
> 70s on and it doesn’t quite match the more upright position. I’m thinking 
> Flyer vs b67. Any recommendations from this esteemed group and, how does one 
> avoid annoying squeaks with those spring saddles. My riding is essentially 
> road and hard packed dry trails in so. Cal. Thanks!
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Re: [RBW] Legolas Help

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Hey Tim: Here’s a snapshot of “Keven’s Legolas” from my RR39, Spring 2007, that 
has some info on the Legolas.



> On Aug 21, 2022, at 15:58, Tim Tetrault  wrote:
> 
> The Legolas, as I recall it, was a RBW CX bike. Thin walled tubing, snappy 
> handling, higher BB. Not a tourer, but a neat design. They had to stop 
> production I believe because of a C/D from the Tolkien estate?
> 
> Does any one here know which Riv Reader it's scouting report is best profiled 
> within, and as a bonus, anyone have a 61cm F/F that they are looking to sell?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Tim
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Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis Sizing

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OP what’s your location? If close to Sacramento you’re welcome to ride my 53.

> On Aug 15, 2022, at 11:46, 'Gerard Gunhouse' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>  wrote:
> 
> Not trying add complexity to the topic. I have a 83 PBH and  ride a 54.5 
> (Toyo) Atlantis I purchased new from Grant back in the 2002/3 timeframe. I am 
> not sure how long Rivendell actually made that frame size but for me it feels 
> like a custom
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Gunner
> 
>> On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 2:02:18 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>> Here's an original Toyo sizing chart, this will work with Waterford models, 
>> too. I'm shorter and would fit a 53, I think you need a 56 in these frames. 
>> 
>>> On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 10:40:53 AM UTC-7 Dick Combs wrote:
>>> Thanks, appreciate it
>>> 
 On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 12:57:06 PM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
 I'm right there with you; 83.5 / 84 PBH, and my saddle height is around 
 72-73cm. From what I've read and seen, you'd probably be a solid 53 on a 
 Toyo-built Atlantis. I've ridden a Toyo 58, and while I found it 
 comfortable to ride, it was really only because it had skinny tires and 
 swept-back bars. I would love to find a 56 Toyo to try out.
 
 Current models, you'd be a 53 or 55 depending on what tire sizes you'd 
 prefer to run. Personally, I like fatter tires and prefer riding rougher 
 terrain, so if I were to look at a current Atlantis, I'd go for a 53.
 
 I'm sure there are folks who have more real riding experience spanning all 
 years of the Atlantis, who could better advise.
 
> On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 12:29:59 PM UTC-4 Dick Combs wrote:
> Hello all, I have a PBH of 83.5, through the years the Atlantis frame 
> sizes fitting that PBH have changed. Could anyone tell me what range of 
> years and frame sizes would be appropriate for a PBH of 83.5, Thanks
> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis Sizing

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I agree, I have well over a fist full of seatpost on my 53 with my 79 PBH.

> On Aug 15, 2022, at 11:02, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> 
> Here's an original Toyo sizing chart, this will work with Waterford models, 
> too. I'm shorter and would fit a 53, I think you need a 56 in these frames. 
> 
>> On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 10:40:53 AM UTC-7 Dick Combs wrote:
>> Thanks, appreciate it
>> 
>>> On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 12:57:06 PM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> I'm right there with you; 83.5 / 84 PBH, and my saddle height is around 
>>> 72-73cm. From what I've read and seen, you'd probably be a solid 53 on a 
>>> Toyo-built Atlantis. I've ridden a Toyo 58, and while I found it 
>>> comfortable to ride, it was really only because it had skinny tires and 
>>> swept-back bars. I would love to find a 56 Toyo to try out.
>>> 
>>> Current models, you'd be a 53 or 55 depending on what tire sizes you'd 
>>> prefer to run. Personally, I like fatter tires and prefer riding rougher 
>>> terrain, so if I were to look at a current Atlantis, I'd go for a 53.
>>> 
>>> I'm sure there are folks who have more real riding experience spanning all 
>>> years of the Atlantis, who could better advise.
>>> 
 On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 12:29:59 PM UTC-4 Dick Combs wrote:
 Hello all, I have a PBH of 83.5, through the years the Atlantis frame 
 sizes fitting that PBH have changed. Could anyone tell me what range of 
 years and frame sizes would be appropriate for a PBH of 83.5, Thanks
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Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis Sizing

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79pbh, 31 inseam, and I own a 2004 Atlantis in size 53cm. 

> On Aug 15, 2022, at 09:57, Brian Turner  wrote:
> 
> 
> I'm right there with you; 83.5 / 84 PBH, and my saddle height is around 
> 72-73cm. From what I've read and seen, you'd probably be a solid 53 on a 
> Toyo-built Atlantis. I've ridden a Toyo 58, and while I found it comfortable 
> to ride, it was really only because it had skinny tires and swept-back bars. 
> I would love to find a 56 Toyo to try out.
> 
> Current models, you'd be a 53 or 55 depending on what tire sizes you'd prefer 
> to run. Personally, I like fatter tires and prefer riding rougher terrain, so 
> if I were to look at a current Atlantis, I'd go for a 53.
> 
> I'm sure there are folks who have more real riding experience spanning all 
> years of the Atlantis, who could better advise.
> 
>> On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 12:29:59 PM UTC-4 Dick Combs wrote:
>> Hello all, I have a PBH of 83.5, through the years the Atlantis frame sizes 
>> fitting that PBH have changed. Could anyone tell me what range of years and 
>> frame sizes would be appropriate for a PBH of 83.5, Thanks
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Re: [RBW] Inaugural tour on new-to-me Atlantis

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Fantastic, Mack!


> On Aug 9, 2022, at 10:16, Mack Penner  wrote:
> 
> I wrote up a relatively brief tour from which I am just home, here: 
> https://macksmilkshakes.tumblr.com/post/691589419370676224/pfrecord-scratchkw-tour-2022
> 
> The place references might be too local! Oh well. 
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Mack in Alberta 
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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: Atlantis 61cm Toyo

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No mid fork braze one or dual fork tip eyelets on my totally stock 2004ish 
Atlantis. 

> On Aug 3, 2022, at 09:50, Julian Westerhout  wrote:
> 
> Yes, I think that is the original fork. I think the bike on eBay is an early 
> Atlantis -- the early ones did not have mid-fork braze-ons and dual fork-tip 
> eyelets. See photos in the Riv brochure linked here:  
> http://notfine.com/rivreader/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Atlantis%2001.pdf
> 
> (I tried to attach the PDF but Google Groups says it is too big.)   :(  
> 
> Julian Westerhout
> Bloomington, IL  
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Re: [RBW] Re: Bike rack

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No I don’t. I have the 2” heavy duty double with two single add ons. I also 
have a minivan. So in the rare occasion the van is full and I can’t put two 
bikes inside I need all four trays. In that case I put on the double onto the 
car and then mount each add on separately. 
But I don’t leave it on because it was a huge investment and I’m afraid it will 
get swiped, so I wrassle that sucker inside for storage. 

> On Jul 30, 2022, at 16:17, Roberta  wrote:
> 
> Do you keep your one up base on your car all the time?
> 
>> On Saturday, July 30, 2022 at 7:09:26 PM UTC-4 Lucky wrote:
>> I love my 1-Up but it weighs so much. I have two add-ons so we can carry 
>> four bikes, and I absolutely can’t keep it all assembled all the time...too 
>> heavy and awkward. Also, on my son’s very large bike with rear Blackburn 
>> rack, the rack “arm” can’t lock to the wheel on that end. I use a strap in 
>> addition to the rack on that bike. 
>> I think maybe no rack is perfect though and this one is the best of the many 
>> I have tried. YMMV. 
>> 
 On Jul 30, 2022, at 16:02, Roberta  wrote:
 
>>> Fenders? Racks? Wheelbase?  They could impact your options. I have long 
>>> wheelbased Platy with fenders and racks. If you have a 60cm Chev it would 
>>> be in that long territory. 
>> 
>>> 
>>> Other things to consider— weight of rack, storage.  Do you need to lock 
>>> your bike to rack?  For me , typically traveling alone, this was important. 
>>> Nothing is 100% guaranteed but I’d never leave my bike not locked if I’d 
>>> need to leave it on rack while I left it for a bio break or bite to eat. 
>>> And, I’m not taking about the built in Lock, I ’m talking about u lock or 
>>> chain lock bike to carrier.  I cannot  lift one-up and didn’t trust the 
>>> fender option. 
>>> 
>>> I had the Kuat Beta and thought a terrific rack, best hanging rack out 
>>> there. Being a hanging rack, it checked all the boxes for me except it took 
>>> awhile to load bike with pipe insulation on the frame contact pints and 
>>> Irish straps to lessens the sway.  I use rack a lot and was ok with the 
>>> time issue until I found Saris freedom I’d wanted on Craig’s list.
>>> 
>>>  If I had to buy new, it would be saris freedom. I also think saris 
>>> superclamp is worth a look although superclamp doesn’t tick the “lock bike” 
>>> I saw it on another RBW’s car and he loved it. 
>>>   
>>> It’s fun finding new places to ride. 
>>> 
>>> Roberta 
>>> 
>>> 
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> Looking for recommendations to haul my Cheviot? 
> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Bike rack

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I love my 1-Up but it weighs so much. I have two add-ons so we can carry four 
bikes, and I absolutely can’t keep it all assembled all the time...too heavy 
and awkward. Also, on my son’s very large bike with rear Blackburn rack, the 
rack “arm” can’t lock to the wheel on that end. I use a strap in addition to 
the rack on that bike. 
I think maybe no rack is perfect though and this one is the best of the many I 
have tried. YMMV. 

> On Jul 30, 2022, at 16:02, Roberta  wrote:
> 
> Fenders? Racks? Wheelbase?  They could impact your options. I have long 
> wheelbased Platy with fenders and racks. If you have a 60cm Chev it would be 
> in that long territory. 
> 
> Other things to consider— weight of rack, storage.  Do you need to lock your 
> bike to rack?  For me , typically traveling alone, this was important. 
> Nothing is 100% guaranteed but I’d never leave my bike not locked if I’d need 
> to leave it on rack while I left it for a bio break or bite to eat. And, I’m 
> not taking about the built in Lock, I ’m talking about u lock or chain lock 
> bike to carrier.  I cannot  lift one-up and didn’t trust the fender option. 
> 
> I had the Kuat Beta and thought a terrific rack, best hanging rack out there. 
> Being a hanging rack, it checked all the boxes for me except it took awhile 
> to load bike with pipe insulation on the frame contact pints and Irish straps 
> to lessens the sway.  I use rack a lot and was ok with the time issue until I 
> found Saris freedom I’d wanted on Craig’s list.
> 
>  If I had to buy new, it would be saris freedom. I also think saris 
> superclamp is worth a look although superclamp doesn’t tick the “lock bike” I 
> saw it on another RBW’s car and he loved it. 
>   
> It’s fun finding new places to ride. 
> 
> Roberta 
> 
> 
>> On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 9:30:39 AM UTC-4 kbe...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Looking for recommendations to haul my Cheviot? 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone 
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Re: [RBW] Bike rack

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I’m always going to recommend the 1-up rack. Yes it’s very expensive. I finally 
gave in and bought one because we have such a variety of bike sizes in my 
household My only gripe is that it’s very heavy. (We do have the heavy duty 
version because some of the bikes are quite large/long). But I’m very happy 
with it (once it’s installed on the car). 

> On Jul 29, 2022, at 06:30, katherine Evanskbe  wrote:
> 
> Looking for recommendations to haul my Cheviot? 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [RBW] Bike Rental in Incline Village, Nevada?

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Village Ski Loft or Flume Trail Bikes are good options in Incline.

> On Jul 22, 2022, at 12:34, Matthew Williams  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone, can someone recommend a good/reputable outfit from which to 
> rent a bike?
> 
> Location: Incline Village, Nevada.
> 
> Recommendations and advice welcome.
> 
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[RBW] Maine Homer

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To the person on the beach in Midcoast Maine, if you are here on the list, your 
Homer was lovely against that backdrop. Thanks for letting me take a pic of it, 
even if it seemed an odd request. I hope you have many splendid miles ahead. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Silver Hupe sought

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It didn’t work for me because there wasn’t enough room between my saddle and 
tire (fistful of seatpost) and the bag was squashed so I sold it onwards. 

> On Jun 20, 2022, at 13:00, Slin  wrote:
> 
> So how did it go with the Hupe?
> 
>> On Saturday, September 4, 2021 at 8:50:05 AM UTC-7 Lucky wrote:
>> I got a Hupe and installed it. Yes, I read the other reviews, but still went 
>> for it. Hopefully I get the bag soon, gonna be an empty Hupe for a bit. 
>> Obligatory bike pic: 
>> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Mid-80 steel frames that could be Roadini standins

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Nice score and that Salsa stem is *chef’s kiss*

> On May 3, 2022, at 16:00, Yankeebird  wrote:
> 
> Ok, resurrecting this thread-
> 
> I thought about this long and hard over the winter, such a great convo, such 
> great tidbits. But I realized I really wanted was a Rambouillet- Riv, road 
> oriented, cheaper than a new Roadini, so I decided to sit and wait. Today, 
> thanks to this group and the For Sale thread I found a 62cm Ram 90min from 
> home and it's now MINE at an incredibly reasonable price. Absolutely 
> wonderful, solves my quest almost perfectly. I need to source some parts and 
> do a quasi-build, more later!
> 
>> On Saturday, October 30, 2021 at 2:38:54 AM UTC-4 Evan E. wrote:
>> Yankeebird,
>> 
>> For all I know, you’ve found a bike by now. But in case you haven’t, how 
>> about a minty Schwinn, built by Panasonic, circa 1984?
>> 
>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-1984-schwinn-super-sport/7400869490.html
>> 
>> Not my bike. I’m just an enabler.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Who posted a Thomson seatpost for sale?

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Yes thank you, they reached out to me but I’m still in the market!

> On Apr 22, 2022, at 12:09, Hopalong Cassidy  wrote:
> 
> Hi Lucky, 
> 
> I think it might have been Robert Dowtin, here's the listing, which includes 
> a silver Thomson Layback seat post. 
> 
> I hope this helps!
> 
> Lukas
> 
> 
>> On Wednesday, April 20, 2022 at 9:45:10 PM UTC-6 Lucky wrote:
>> Not sure if it was here or iBob but someone posted a 27.2 silver layback 
>> Thomson for sale and I can’t find the listing. I am seeking one if you are 
>> the seller and it’s not sold. Send me an email please. 
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Re: [RBW] Who posted a Thomson seatpost for sale?

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Thanks, I need the setback for this bike. 

> On Apr 22, 2022, at 05:15, Tom Norton  wrote:
> 
> 
> I have a regular one in silver.
> Tom
> NE Ohio
>> On Thursday, April 21, 2022 at 9:36:13 AM UTC-4 Lucky wrote:
>> Thanks, but I am looking for silver. 
>> 
>> > On Apr 20, 2022, at 22:45, Joe Mullins  wrote: 
>> > 
>> > I have a black Elite Masterpiece 27.2 setback. 
>> > 
>> > Thanks, 
>> > 
>> > Joe 
>> > 
>> >> On Apr 20, 2022, at 8:45 PM, lucky...@gmail.com wrote: 
>> >> 
>> >> Not sure if it was here or iBob but someone posted a 27.2 silver layback 
>> >> Thomson for sale and I can’t find the listing. I am seeking one if you 
>> >> are the seller and it’s not sold. Send me an email please. 
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Re: [RBW] Who posted a Thomson seatpost for sale?

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Thanks, but I am looking for silver.

> On Apr 20, 2022, at 22:45, Joe Mullins  wrote:
> 
> I have a black Elite Masterpiece 27.2 setback. 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Joe
> 
>> On Apr 20, 2022, at 8:45 PM, luckytur...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> Not sure if it was here or iBob but someone posted a 27.2 silver layback 
>> Thomson for sale and I can’t find the listing. I am seeking one if you are 
>> the seller and it’s not sold. Send me an email please. 
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[RBW] Who posted a Thomson seatpost for sale?

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Not sure if it was here or iBob but someone posted a 27.2 silver layback 
Thomson for sale and I can’t find the listing. I am seeking one if you are the 
seller and it’s not sold. Send me an email please. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Crust Clydesdale Forks and Rivs

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I *really* want a Clydesdale fork. I had a bike in mind to put it on, but now 
that they’re right in front of me, I can’t decide which to buy. I can only 
afford one. My current bike has a 1” steerer (Klunker bike). But it’s an 
expensive enough purchase that maybe it makes more sense to get the 1 1/8” for 
more applications, and get a different bike…
I wouldn’t put it on my Atlantis personally because I think it would be too 
heavy. 

> On Apr 16, 2022, at 21:58, J Imler  wrote:
> 
> Hi Max, I have a Clydesdale fork and a 10lb dog. It's perfect. 45lbs would 
> necessitate an electric assist in my opinion if you want to go for distance. 
> Otherwise, around the block a couple of times is likely. 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Saturday, April 16, 2022 at 6:09:22 PM UTC-7 maxcr wrote:
>> Hi Bunch,
>> 
>> I'm having some crazy thoughts ... thinking of outfitting my Sam or my 
>> Atlantis with a Clydesale Fork to carry my 45 pound dog.
>> 
>> Two question to the group: 1) Will the Clydesdale fork work with either the 
>> Sam or the Atlantis? 2) Am I crazy to try to carry a 45 pound dog on a bike?
>> 
>> Thanks for your thoughts.
>> 
>> Max
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[RBW] Hubbuhubbuh frame FS

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For those who follow “Zachhalesale” on IG, he has a blue Rivendell Hubbuhhubbuh 
frame for sale on Instagram for $2000 including headset and tandem cranks.

No affiliation 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bike route Pt Reyes area?

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Appreciate all the recs y’all. 

> On Feb 19, 2022, at 14:06, Collin A  wrote:
> 
> If you want to view the coast, a ride from Laguna Trailhead on the West side 
> of the peninsula to Coast campground is nice and flat, with some gorgeous 
> views and a great spot for a picnic while fully avoiding cars:
> 
> A bit more of a drive though...
> 
> Collin in Sactown
> 
>> On Saturday, February 19, 2022 at 12:40:23 PM UTC-7 Lucky wrote:
>> Short notice but I am looking to take the family riding in the Point Reyes 
>> area tomorrow. Anyone have a nice trail to recommend? The kids sketch out on 
>> anything too technical but dirt/gravel/having to walk occasionally is fine. 
>> Trying to avoid the road as much as possible. Thanks! 
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[RBW] Bike route Pt Reyes area?

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Short notice but I am looking to take the family riding in the Point Reyes area 
tomorrow. Anyone have a nice trail to recommend? The kids sketch out on 
anything too technical but dirt/gravel/having to walk occasionally is fine. 
Trying to avoid the road as much as possible. Thanks!

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Re: [RBW] Has anyone tried out their Uncle Ron's Orthopedic Bars?

[luckyturnip]

Am I wrong that these bars were hand bent by Ron and a vise,  vs “factory 
made”? 

> On Feb 17, 2022, at 10:13, 'John Phillips' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Eric,  The bar clamp section of my Ortho bars is much more off center than 
> yours, and I think if I sold them to someone sight unseen, they would be 
> justifiably PO'd. If I tried to clamp my Ortho bar in a stem, I would be 
> tightening the stem down on the section transitioning from the 25.4mm clamp 
> section to the 22.2 bar.
> 
> Crust emailed me within minutes telling me to send the bars back. This must 
> be a complete bummer for them, and I only hope they recover compensation from 
> the manufacturer.
> 
> I think if the shape of these bars was based on the Albatross rather than the 
> Bosco, they would fit more bikes, and give people more choices in stem length 
> to fit their bodies and riding positions. I think the Ortho's don't need 
> shorter grip sections, they just need some reach, maybe 3-5cm?
> 
> YMMV,
> 
> John
> 
>> On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 6:25:40 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>> @John & Sam: I'm sure you could easily unload those bars, even with the 
>> asymmetry! 
>> 
>> Now, regarding the asymmetry. I spent a bit of time looking closely at my 
>> bars last night. When I align the Ortho Bars with a loose set of Albatross 
>> bars with both sets facing the same way, nestled together, they very clearly 
>> don't line up. I assume that the Nitto bars are perfectly symmetrical given 
>> Nitto's reputation for precision. In the photo I placed the rule centered 
>> beneath the Albatross bars. 
>> 
>> However, when I flip the bars around into an interlocking orientation the 
>> clamps do appear centered. There must be some inconsistency with the rise or 
>> bends of the Ortho bars that prevents them from nestling on center with the 
>> Albatross bars when they're both oriented the same direction. When measuring 
>> I could not determine where the inconsistency is. 
>> 
>> I measured my Ortho bars from outside to outside, found the center line and 
>> measured to the left and right from there. There is a slight inconsistency 
>> in the textured clamp area but it's about 1.2mm. Same for the taper of the 
>> bar, which I measured with calipers. There's some inconsistency but for 
>> handlebars it's trivial.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>> On Wednesday, February 16, 2022 at 2:55:43 PM UTC-5 John Phillips wrote:
>>> I should have said I have the extinct 56cm Albatross bars which are also a 
>>> different shape, wider up near bend.
>>> 
>>> John
>>> 
 On Tuesday, February 15, 2022 at 11:30:00 PM UTC-8 brianmark...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 That’s odd. I didn’t notice anything off with mine, but now I’m curious 
 and will have to check. I think I disagree on them being not much wider 
 than Albas though.
 
> On Tue, Feb 15, 2022 at 13:13 'John Phillips' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>  wrote:
>I received my Ortho bars only to discover the bars are not 
> symmetrical. Both the structural 25.4mm bar clamp section and the 
> roughened grip section for the bar clamp are closer to the right hand 
> side of the bars, and neither is lined up with each other.  I could live 
> with the roughened section being a bit off, but the 25.4mm bar clamp 
> section is way too far over to the right. I wrote Crust an email asking 
> about a return. These bars are so wide you don't immediately notice 
> something is off, but when I pulled out my 56mm Albatross bars to 
> compare, I noticed the bar clamp sections wouldn't line up. I was trying 
> to measure just how much stem extension I was going to need to move over 
> from my Alba's to the Ortho bars, and saw something was really off.
> 
>These bars are not actually a ton wider than my Alba's so I'll just 
> stick with my albatross cockpit for now.
> 
> John
> 
>> On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 7:40:56 AM UTC-8 mcgr...@gmail.com wrote:
>> I'm going to throw up a WTT thread at some point, but the Ron's Ortho 
>> bars have just a couple of inch or inch and a half too much backwards 
>> reach for my 62cm Hunqapillar (pictured here with a 120mm Technomic).  I 
>> think I'd be better off with a Billie bar.  I'm in northern NJ, work in 
>> Manhattan, if anyone would be interested in a trade...
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 3:37:30 PM UTC-5 john...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>> Thanks John, maybe Ronny Romance just has a huge stack of 26mm clamp 
>>> stems from the 1990s in his parts stash :-)
>>> 
>>> I bought a used Clem H in April 2021 and built it with a set of steel 
>>> Ergotec Beach cruiser bars because they were the only thing
>>> I could find that looked even little a bit like the Ortho bars. I 
>>> really love the range of positions, and the sweep is much more natural 
>>> than flat mtb bars. Not so keen 

Re: [RBW] Re: If a group of people may want to put an order in to Blue Lug

[luckyturnip]

Ben, I think I have some 105 downtube shifters you can have for shipping. I can 
look tonight. 

Liz in Sacramento 

> On Feb 16, 2022, at 13:21, Ben Adrian  wrote:
> 
>  I was looking to do an order for some DT shifters, lights, bar tape, and a 
> front rack. Shipping was $80. While still kind of a good deal for air freight 
> from Japan, it's still much more that we Americans are used to paying. I took 
> out the front rack and the shipping went down to $40.
> 
> So, I'd be down to do a group order, especially for SoCal friends. Also, I'm 
> interested in your front racks and down tube shifters that you may have for 
> sale ;)
> 
> Cheers!
> Ben
> 
> On 2/15/2022 6:46 AM, exliontamer wrote:
>> I've put in an order recently  and have been amazed at how relatively quick 
>> and affordable it was. DHS is silly quick too. I think the key is getting 
>> odds & ends(exclusive grips, bar tape, that amazing x-pac zip up wallet, 
>> etc.) to make it worth while. 
>> 
>> On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 10:27:04 PM UTC-6 Joel S wrote:
>>> Excuse the iPad auto correct. 
>>> 
>>> Sent from ProtonMail for iOS
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 10:09 PM, 'JRStern11' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>>>  wrote:
 Soviet, ir was over $30 to ship a $30 light so it would depend on the 
 shipping for a larger order and if it then makes sense.  Logistics ok for 
 me.  
 
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> On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 6:51 PM, Sofie C  wrote:
> I actually thought of posting something similar -- there are a lot of 
> small things I'm interested in getting from Blue Lug, but I find myself 
> adding more to my cart than what I need to justify the shipping cost 
> I would be interested in going in on a group order, but with two young 
> kids and a ft job I'm not in a position to handle the logistics of 
> organizing one...
> On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 6:47:31 PM UTC-5 Joel S wrote:
>> Jared thank you I sent them a message so hopefully they’ll get back to 
>> me and if not I’ll give them a call. I really appreciate it
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from ProtonMail for iOS
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 6:33 PM, Justin  wrote:
>>> Joel, reach out to Jared or David at Hope Cyclery in Johnstown PA. They 
>>> are real sweethearts and get regular Blue Lug orders and keep the Koma 
>>> lights stocked. 
>>> https://hopecyclery.bigcartel.com/product/koma-light-rear
>>> best
>>> Justin
>>> On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 2:48:10 PM UTC-7 Joel S wrote:
 Shipping is very expensive. I have a hard tine justifying paying more 
 for shipping than for the 1 Koma light I want to get. If there are 
 others in this situation maybe we can put in a larger order and save 
 on shipping.
 
 I was using the Kiley lights but it seems they redesigned them and a 
 front light only gives 2 hours now befor needing a recharged when on 
 flash mode. My Koma lights seem to last longer.
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[RBW] Wanted: black Brooks Flyer

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Greetings:

Anyone have a used black Brooks Flyer for sale? Reply directly please. I’m in 
Sacramento. 

Thanks! 

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Re: [RBW] Re: 55cm Platypus for sale Davis, CA

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I can tell you this much: it’s not a California or UC Davis bike license. 

> On Jan 29, 2022, at 20:40, John Rinker  wrote:
> 
> It looks to me like either an ID bar code or a portal into another reality 
> where people live in friendly communities surrounded by respected habitats 
> suitable for the endemic species to thrive and the necessities of life are 
> procured on foot or by bicycle. And there's a river.
>> On Sunday, January 30, 2022 at 1:34:30 PM UTC+9 Joe Bernard wrote:
>> There will be no guesses. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Friday, January 28, 2022 at 2:04:54 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>> Any guesses as to what that big black sticker is on the seattube? College 
>>> parking or commuter train thing? I'm into these frames but I'm worried 
>>> about what's under there...
>>> 
>>> Joe Bernard
>>> 
 On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 5:13:13 PM UTC-8 Lucky wrote:
 NOT my bike but I am close enough to help if necessary. 
 
 https://sacramento.craigslist.org/bik/d/davis-rivendell-platypus/7438484202.html
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[RBW] 55cm Platypus for sale Davis, CA

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NOT my bike but I am close enough to help if necessary. 

https://sacramento.craigslist.org/bik/d/davis-rivendell-platypus/7438484202.html

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Re: [RBW] Best grocery pannier? Nice lightweight wool cycling "jacket" or full-zip mid-weight jersey?

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Here’s another in Fairfield (no affiliation) 

https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bop/d/fairfield-ortlieb-waterproof-pannier/7430036273.html

> On Jan 22, 2022, at 12:09, JAS  wrote:
> 
> Patrick,
> Here's an Ortlieb shopper I spotted this morning on the Seattle Craigslist:
> https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bop/d/bellevue-ortlieb-waterproof-bike-basket/7436299979.html
> 
> --Joyce
>> On Saturday, January 22, 2022 at 8:28:10 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>> Thank you, Pat; this is the one. REI is out and I don't see it on other 
>> sites, but I'll keep looking.
>> 
>>> On Sat, Jan 22, 2022 at 6:33 AM Pat Smith  wrote:
>>> Love my ortlieb bike shopper. Much better than a back roller for groceries. 
>>> It used to come in red. I've got one in red
>>> 
>>> https://www.rei.com/product/885305/ortlieb-bike-shopper-pannier-single
>>> 
>>> Pat in DC
>>> 
> On Saturday, January 22, 2022 at 12:03:39 AM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
> Thanks, Eric; and those come in red, too!
> 
> I want something with a flap and something that can be adapted to an 
> Ortlieb or Arkle-type "clamp" mounting system and be offset to the rear 
> by about 3". I've owned at least 2 different grocery panniers of this 
> design, and they work well on smooth unobstructed routes, but I've lost 
> one such similar pannier when riding on a dirt road; either fell off on a 
> bump, or perhaps was scraped off when I went through some path entry 
> barriers. (Fortunately I had nothing particularly valuable in the pannier 
> at the time.)
> 
>> On Fri, Jan 21, 2022 at 9:22 AM Eric Marth  wrote:
>> Forgive me if these don't check all of your boxes, I don't have that 
>> much processing power. But check 'em out! 
>> 
>> https://www.jandd.com/detail.asp?PRODUCT_ID=FGBP
 
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Re: [RBW] ISO Brooklyn Riv Bike 'Gang'

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Hi Minh, I’m not from NY so unfortunately can’t join your gang but I sure would 
enjoy if you posted some pics of your “over the top” Quickbeam! I’m a fan of 
ogling Quickbeams and your description is so fun.
Best of luck finding your people! 

> On Jan 21, 2022, at 19:25, Minh  wrote:
> 
> Hi all, my name is Minh and i'm on the lookout for other Brooklyn Riv'sters, 
> maybe we can start a gang, and by gang i mean a bunch of slow riders that 
> will use our age, wisdom and sharply appointed bikes to intimidate the 
> go-fast riders in Prospect Park.  
> 
> In all seriousness, i've got a Quickbeam here that i am desperately trying to 
> justify keeping in this cramped Park Slope apartment.  Something that would 
> go a long way towards that is to get out and ride with like-minded folks.   
> Maybe when it gets warmer we can do a ride out of town?  I know i've seen a 
> sharply dressed Riv Mixte riding thru the park, if you see me on my 
> QB--you'll know its me from the over the top accessories, please say hi!
> 
> If this is interesting please reply here, i'll collect names and we can start 
> a local mini thread? 
> 
> On a related note have a small pile of bike parts that i'm not likely to use 
> that i'd like to donate, if anyone is aware of a co-op that is open taking 
> donations, please let me know!
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Re: [RBW] FS: Riv Readers and Surly racks

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> On Jan 18, 2022, at 16:10, Eric Marth  wrote:
> 
> Hi all – A few things for sale, pictures are here. Thank you! 
> 
> Please respond off-list. 
> 
> Rivendell ephemera – $20 shipped
> A smattering of Rivendell Readers, six in all. The first Atlantis brochure, 
> three flyers and the 2018 full-color frames catalog. That's eleven items in 
> all. $20 shipped media mail CONUS. 
> 
> Surly front and rear racks – $200 plus shipping to you
> Black steel Surly racks, front and rear. Some surface wear through paint. 
> Sound condition overall. One bolt/nut/washer combo missing from front rack. 
> Let me know your zip code and I can get a shipping quote together. I will 
> also sell these separately. 
> 
> Eric
> Fredericksburg, Virginia 
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Re: [RBW] FS: Riv Readers and Surly racks

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I’ll take the Riv Readers if not claimed!

Liz in Sacramento 

> On Jan 18, 2022, at 16:10, Eric Marth  wrote:
> 
> Hi all – A few things for sale, pictures are here. Thank you! 
> 
> Please respond off-list. 
> 
> Rivendell ephemera – $20 shipped
> A smattering of Rivendell Readers, six in all. The first Atlantis brochure, 
> three flyers and the 2018 full-color frames catalog. That's eleven items in 
> all. $20 shipped media mail CONUS. 
> 
> Surly front and rear racks – $200 plus shipping to you
> Black steel Surly racks, front and rear. Some surface wear through paint. 
> Sound condition overall. One bolt/nut/washer combo missing from front rack. 
> Let me know your zip code and I can get a shipping quote together. I will 
> also sell these separately. 
> 
> Eric
> Fredericksburg, Virginia 
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[RBW] ICYM 55cm Cheviot for sale

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Golden Pliers has a 55 Cheviot for sale on their IG…orange!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Welder to add v-brake posts in SF Bay Area / Napa?

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Ahhh! Not to hijack but I had seen a pic of that MB-1 Erik Billings worked on 
and didn’t know who did it! Mystery solved now (and since no one is buying my 
MB-1 I guess it’s time to talk to a man about a fork…)

> On Jan 13, 2022, at 17:44, Pancake  wrote:
> 
> Thanks Irving and Bill (and off list responder). 
> I send Erik a message (also recommended by another reader off list) and will 
> try Ed too.
> 
> Hopefully this means I’m all set, but I am curious if anyone else has more 
> recommendations … keep ‘em coming!
> 
> Thanks for the quick help,
> Abe 
> 
>> On Thursday, 13 January 2022 at 15:42:24 UTC-8 Irving wrote:
>> Hey Abe,
>> 
>> I would highly recommend Erik Billings out of Oakland (Instagram/Website). 
>> Very easy to contact and deal with.
>> 
>> He did some surgery on a Crust Bombora that I'm looking forward to building 
>> up soon.
>> 
>> -Irving
>> SF, CA
>> 
>>> On Thursday, January 13, 2022 at 1:15:45 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>> I've had work of that kind done by Ed Litton, but I kind of know Ed, and 
>>> have had quick turnaround.  Others tell me that he has literally hundreds 
>>> of repair frames in his shop right now, which I imagine is multiple years 
>>> worth of work.  I want to take a the welding series of classes at Laney in 
>>> Oakland.
>>> 
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>> 
 On Thursday, January 13, 2022 at 12:00:33 PM UTC-8 Pancake wrote:
 Looking to add v-brake posts to my Sam Hillborne and Cheviot (jealous of 
 those Platys).
 I need a bike frame builder / welder who can add them and is not too busy. 
 Any recommendations? Preferably near Napa, but I can go a hour away for a 
 good builder. 
 
 I tried John of Fitz Bikes in Santa Rosa but he's busy with frames (as he 
 should be). Tried Jim G Racks on instagram but haven't heard back for a 
 while. 
 I don't need someone to paint the burned up sections after, I'll handle 
 that myself.
 
 Any other recommendations? 
 
 Take care,
 Abe in Napa
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Re: [RBW] Ron's Ortho Bars in stock at Crust

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I want to try these so badly but I need to *sell* not *buy* in 2022. Focus! 

These are the bars he has on his S-Works, right? I have a tall old Rockhopper 
in the garage and—



> On Jan 5, 2022, at 10:49, Eric Marth  wrote:
> 
> Some have cyclers have been waiting for these, Ron's swept-back super wide 
> bars. They quietly went up on the Crust site this week. I believe these are 
> based on Bosco bars that Ron modified by somehow flattening and bending them 
> to make 'em wider.  
> 
> https://crustbikes.com/products/rons-ortho-bar-for-whenever-it-shows-up
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Re: [RBW] Brass Bits?

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They’re not brass but gold ano, nonetheless Cable Cherries by Forager Cycles 
are an awfully pretty little accessory and small enough to look brass. Also 
available at Velo Orange and Blue Lug.


> On Dec 30, 2021, at 09:01, Justin Kennedy (Brooklyn, NY) 
>  wrote:
> 
> I love the look of the brass dust crank cap on Antonio's Susie build, which 
> got me searching for where to source it. I see Velo Orange used to stock 
> these but are currently sold out. And I know Blue Lug has them in stock but 
> it seems kinda crazy to order such a small part from Japan. 
> 
> Does anyone know of other sources? What other similar brass bits elevate a 
> bike?
> 
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[RBW] BOB list, lost to me

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Hey all, I have seen people ask before but I can’t figure out the solution. I 
was a long time BOB list member before I was a Riv member but I can’t get back 
in or even find the list without an error message anymore. I’d like to list my 
MB-1 for sale there, can anyone tell me the secret handshake and or weblink I 
need to get back on the iBOB list? 

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