Re: [Ext] [RBW] FS: Clem L frame 52cm

[Allingham II, Thomas J. (Retired Partner)]

Joe, what were you asking for the whole bike?

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On Dec 1, 2017, at 12:56 PM, Joe Bernard 
> wrote:

$750 shipped for the frameset, taking offers on the whole schlamozzle.

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Re: [Ext] [RBW] Hetres

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I might have a set -can check this afternoon.

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On Nov 24, 2017, at 6:08 PM, KC 
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Looks like I need new tires and just realized these are apparently discontinued 
and I'm not seeing any source online. Does anyone know a shop likely to have 
stock?

Thanks.

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Re: [Ext] [RBW] When a Riv is out of reach..

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Great bike, Bruce.  I've built a couple of Starlings, and they're really nice 
bikes for the $$$.

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Re: [Ext] [RBW] WTB: Swift Industries waxed canvas panniers

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I have a pair.  Used on one 6 day tour, look like new.  I think they were ~$350 
new.  How about $250 plus actual shipping?

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> Not meaning to sound like I'm gloating or anything, but I just picked up a 
> pair on local CL for $100 w/Arkel  camlocks and optional D-rings and straps. 
> Keep your eyes peeled and good luck with the hunt.
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Re: [Ext] [RBW] Re: OLD FS Posts

[Allingham II, Thomas J. (Retired Partner)]

What size are you and what kind of bike are you looking for?  If your PBH is 
84-88 or so I have several Rivs I'd be willing to talk about selling

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On Sep 10, 2017, at 10:59 AM, Cyclofiend Jim 
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Hi Joseph -

I am the moderator - there's only one.  If you ever have a question about 
non-RBW things, feel free to contact me using the "Contact Moderator" button.

It's probably been a while since I posted an explicit reminder to the group, 
but when replying to FS/FT/WTB/WTT/etc. posts, you should contact the poster 
directly. That prevents accidental sharing of personal information to the group 
at large.  This is a publicly searchable/viewable group, so if someone posts a 
phone number, address and says something like "but we're going to be out of 
town for the next two days", there are bad people who might take advantage of 
that.  I know you wouldn't do that, but I'd hate to tell you how many moderated 
posts contain information which I'd regard as too personal for public 
consumption.

If you contact the poster directly, that also spares everyone else the process 
of having to ignore that thread.  Some folks still do track this group through 
email.

Yes. People should indicate when something is sold.
Yes. People should indicate when something is sold.
Yes. People should indicate when something is sold.
Yes. People should indicate when something is sold.

I'm thinking people should indicate when something is sold. Editing the post 
subject would be good.  Kinda like leaving your campsite a bit cleaner than how 
you found it.

If they could delete the thread, even better.

Sorry for the initial confusion.  Hope all of that is clear.

- Jim

Jim Edgar / cyclofiend

On Sunday, September 10, 2017 at 7:52:04 AM UTC-7, Joseph Simmons wrote:
I am a new member and have joined in order to find a Bike for sale. a few 
questions if I may...

1.) I have responded to several FS postings. None have answered! I may be new 
to the group but my money is old and burning a whole in my pocket! Am I missing 
something?

2.) Many of the Posts tagged "FS" are 6 months to a year old. with a final 
Post...20 down the conversation, it's now sold. Do any of the authors or 
moderator(s) in this group delete Old posts with no current context or 
relevance..as in SOLD

Thank you for any help or guidance



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Re: [Ext] [RBW] Re: Atlantis Fender recommendations

[Allingham II, Thomas J. (Retired Partner)]

I have Berthoud 60mm stainless steel fenders over 50mm Marathon sUpremes on my 
Atlantis.I'm comfortable with the clearance, though others whose judgment I 
respect on this list think it's a little skinny.  But over 42mm tires they'd be 
perfect.  They are available from Peter White Cycles.  Excellent quality 
fenders.

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On Aug 7, 2017, at 7:41 PM, Bill Lindsay 
> wrote:

Velo Orange sells wide aluminum 700c fenders.  63mm are their widest model 
which they recommend for 52mm tires.

BL in EC

On Monday, August 7, 2017 at 4:18:07 PM UTC-7, John G. wrote:
Hey all,

I'm looking to get some fenders on my Atlantis. Here's the criteria:

- 700c wheels
- Snoqualmie Pass 44mm tires. Would consider going to 38mms, but honestly, I'd 
prefer to keep things fat. 50mm tires would be even better!
- I mostly ride on the road, but occasionally hit some light gravel
- I'd much prefer aluminum over plastic.

I don't think Honjo makes a set that meets my requirements. Any other 
recommendations, or am I wrong about Honjo?

Thanks,
John

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Re: [Ext] [RBW] Re: 200 miles on 10 bikes, an essentially pointless self-challenge

[Allingham II, Thomas J. (Retired Partner)]

Fantastic idea, Bill. You go!

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Re: [Ext] Re: [RBW] Saluki Links

[Allingham II, Thomas J. (Retired Partner)]

;-)

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Cyclofiend's Bleriot page includes a Rivendell comparison between the Bleriot 
and the Saluki

http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/bleriot/index.html

Cyclofiend's Hilsen page includes a Rivendell comparison between the Hilsen and 
the Saluki

http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/hilsen/index.html

What subtle differences do you think there are?  I think of the 650B Hilsen and 
the Saluki being identical.  Certainly they are functionally identical.  In my 
humble opinion, if there was a 54cm 650B Hilsen and a 54cm Saluki, built up the 
same and you test rode them both blindfolded, you would crash because riding a 
bicycle while blindfolded is really dangerous.

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 4:32:31 PM UTC-7, John Hawrylak wrote:
Justin

Thanks, I found these 2.  I was hoping for one with more RBW write up, like 
they did for the Blerliot.


John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ


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Subject: [RBW] Saluki Links

http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/geometry.html#saluki

http://www.cyclofiend.com/Images/pdf/rbw_saluki_flyer.pdf

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Re: [Ext] RE: [RBW] Re: FS SimpleOne size 60cm

[Allingham II, Thomas J. (Retired Partner)]

I'm 5'11" and my 60cm Quickbeam is probably my best-fitting bike.

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On Jul 16, 2017, at 6:03 PM, nawrock 
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I'm 5' 10" it fits me perfect.



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Subject: [RBW] Re: FS SimpleOne size 60cm

I want one so bad...but im 5'10 :(

On Sunday, July 16, 2017 at 1:51:50 PM UTC-4, Dave Nawrocki wrote:
Greetings,
Putting my SO up for sale.  This is one of a handful that came in with 
horizontal rear drop outs, not the angled ones, and is a great Maroon color.  I 
bought this directly from Riv in Sept 2010.  It is in really good condition a 
solid 8 out of 10. Has a couple very small nicks here and there, nothing that 
jumps out at you.

DOS freewheel 17x19
Shimano Tiagra brake levers
Tektro CR720 canitlever brakes
Crank XD2 double 38/40  172.5
Bottom bracket 107 Tange Super
Nitto 10cm Stem
Nitto Albatross CroMo the wide ones
Cork tape that has amber shellac and hemp twine
Misha cork grips
Rich built MA3 rims
Front hub is Suntour XC2000
Rear hub is Phil
Tires are Pasela 700x37 almost new
The Brooks sadle could be included
The Nitto touring cages are not included
The Fenders could be part of the deal, I dont really need them.
The seat stem is kind of the plain jane one that Riv sells.

Asking 1,500 plus shipping.
Paypal or Postal Money order works for me.

Thanks for looking!


Dave
Fort Collins, CO


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Re: [Ext] [RBW] FOR SALE: 58cm appaloosa

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Is this the double top tube version?

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> frame/fork/fsa headset/thomson seatpost
> butterscotch color
> 58cm
> excellent shape
> less than 2,000 easy miles
> $900 shipped
> i dunno how to post post on here...
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Re: [Ext] Re: [RBW] PSA Single Speed Sacramento $650

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No kidding.  Killer deal, the bike looks perfect.

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Re: [Ext] [RBW] Re: Shipping to U.K.

[Allingham II, Thomas J. (Retired Partner)]

I did check bikeflights website, and they're quoting $1100 one way for the two 
bikes.  Yikes!

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Shipping is really expensive. Check Bikeflights, but I bet it will be more than 
$500 per bike.

British Airways is pretty good about accommodating sports equipment: 
https://www.britishairways.com/en-us/information/baggage-essentials/sporting-goods-and-musical-instruments
 And I think the worst you'd get is an oversize baggage fee.

Free Country is the 
book Jay refers to. I found it a pleasant read, with some very humorous bits, 
including scrounging a child's bike for part of the trip.

I've only thought about riding that route so I can't give firsthand experience 
but I know there are plenty of guidebooks available.

happy trails!
jim m
walnut creek, ca


On Thursday, July 6, 2017 at 10:41:37 AM UTC-7, Jay in Tel Aviv wrote:
I read a book recently about 2 guys who did it without any money or equipment. 
Some kind of weird social experipent. They started at Lands End literally in 
their underwear, scrounged clothes, bikes etc and took it from there.

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[RBW] Re: Shipping to U.K.

[Allingham II, Thomas J. (Retired Partner)]

Also, has anyone actually done that south end to north end of the U.K. ride?  
Advice?

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> Hi, all!
>
> My son and I are planning a Lands End to John o' Groats tour next summer.  
> Does anyone have any insight into reliable and reasonably affordable avenues 
> for shipping two bikes from Philadelphia to the U.K. (specifically, Lands 
> End, or maybe Penzance)?  Riv content:  the bikes will be my Atlantis and my 
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[RBW] Shipping to U.K.

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Hi, all!

My son and I are planning a Lands End to John o' Groats tour next summer.  Does 
anyone have any insight into reliable and reasonably affordable avenues for 
shipping two bikes from Philadelphia to the U.K. (specifically, Lands End, or 
maybe Penzance)?  Riv content:  the bikes will be my Atlantis and my Rohloff 
Bombadil.

Thanks for any advice.

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Re: [Ext] [RBW] WTB: Silver Paul Funky Monkey Cable Stop

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I think I have one.  I can check this afternoon

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Well, I missed the one that Michael listed recently on iBOB, so I thought I'd 
put it out there...


Anyone have a Silver Paul Funky Monkey Cable Stop (front) that they'd like to 
move on?
I'd prefer the 7/8" one (to clamp to quill stem), but I would consider the 1" 
size as well.
thanks!
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Re: [Ext] [RBW] Re: FS: 68 cm Quickbeam $1275

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That's a sweet bike

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On Jun 21, 2017, at 9:46 AM, a spens 
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Forgot to mention, the seat belongs to Ryan and is not included.

Thanks,

Al



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Hi Folks,

I am putting up by much beloved Quickbeam fixie (purchased from one of my 
favorite people on this forum, Ryan H., whom many of you know).  My favorite 
riding Rivendell but selling due to some unfortunate back issues. Suited for 
tall riders ~ 6'3"-6'7". In great shape. The hub is a Sturmey Archer SX3 which 
gives three 3 different fixed gears which you can change on the fly.

$1275

Extras: Rivendell lugged stem, lovely Mavic 177.5 crankset, beautiful canti 
brakes, leather bar tape.

Link to pics at :   http://columbus.craigslist.org/bop/6186115627.html

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Re: [Ext] [RBW] Re: FS: 58 Simple One, Phil Hubs, Eno Crank and Eno FreeWheel, $1250

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I'm interested.  You may already have described, but I can't find -- can you 
give a brief description of condition and mileage?

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Re: [Ext] [RBW] Re: New Riv Model - Newsletter

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Congrats!

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Congratulations Bill!  I know you keep an inventory of spare parts.  Any idea 
of the drivetrain or wheels you are planning for it?  I'm getting one but 
haven't invested much time in thinking about the build.

On Monday, June 5, 2017 at 2:58:49 PM UTC-4, Chris Birkenmaier wrote:
I'm kind of surprised that no one has mentioned the comment in the May 30 
newsletter about not being able to get an orange Sam or a green/silver 
Appaloosa for at least 648 days BUT that something in the middle might be 
replacing them next year.  Having a bike between a Sam and a Joe seems to be 
splitting a finer line but I'm stoked to see what they come with (or maybe come 
up with).  I recently bought a silver 51 Joe and it has really calmed down my 
bike buying desires because it is just so good.  I have a Sam, Joe, Cheviot, 
San Marcos , Rosco Mountain Mixte on order and a Quickbeam so I don't need 
another.  But I'm endlessly interested in what they come up with.

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Re: [Ext] [RBW] Re: FS: 58 Simple One, Phil Hubs, Eno Crank and Eno FreeWheel, $1250

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How much for the wheelset?

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> Frame and crankset are sold. I still have a very nice single speed wheelset 
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Re: [Ext] [RBW] FS: 53cm Roadeo Frame/Fork/Headset/Bottom Bracket

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So sorry to hear about the situation.  You're right in setting priorities, of 
course, and luck has a way of turning around.  Too small for me, unfortunately, 
but it seems like a good deal.  Good luck!

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So I am having a personal situation with an in-law that involves bad 
investments, lost retirements, divorce, mexico, etc.  It is quite a story 
actually.  The end of it is that I need to free up finances because my family 
is more important than things. It involves selling all of my bikes and projects 
(except for one if I am lucky).  This one hurts the most because I have been 
wanting a Roadeo for a long time and finally managed to pick one up here on the 
forum.  I just purchased this a few months ago.  I stripped it of the 
traditional stuff that was on it and was planning on doing a modern build but 
didn't get to that.  I can post photos later or message me for some. It is 
white with blue accents. It was for sale here awhile ago and there were 
pictures in that thread as well.  At that time it had some paint dings on the 
bottom near the chain but those small dings have been corrected with some 
waterford correction paint.  The repairs are good but can be noticed if looking 
up close at it. Other than that there is nothing to report. It is in fantastic 
shape. It was a demo unit at Rivendell and not ridden much beyond that.  I will 
put it up on ebay this weekend but would rather have a quick sale here if 
possible.  Waterford built...quill stem version...53 cm.

$1450 shipped in the USA.  I have stuff for build kits if you are interested 
including wheels, cassettes and a full 5700 105 set with a compact crank and 
new bottom bracket (the bottom bracket that is installed is a square taper).

I am in a bind so I am open to working out deals if you want full sets or parts 
to go with it.  I wish I could hang onto it but this is what adulting is like I 
guess.

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Re: [Ext] [RBW] FS: White Industries 700c Wheelset

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What's the rear OLD?

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> handbuilt wheel set. straight, true and strong.
> white industries mi5 hubs (polished)
> dt swiss competition double butted spokes (silver)
> dt swiss brass nipples (silver)
> sun rims cr-18 rims (polished)
> stan's yellow tape installed
> 32h/32h
> beautiful, practical, lifelong wheelset. decided to finally go generator 
> front hub and figured i might as well start from scratch.
> looking for $450+shipping
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Re: [Ext] Re: [RBW] Re: Save Bruce Gordon Cycles

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Bruce has been uniformly helpful, even friendly, to me during at least half a 
dozen calls over the years.  Judge not, and all that...

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Been offline for a little lately with a graduation to attend, and other life 
events.  I'm glad to see some reasoned remarks posted on this plan to either 
fund BG's retirement or he will scap all his bikes.  That struck me as almost a 
gag post but I see that it is not.  Perhaps he should have started an IRA years 
ago like many folks must do?  What a waste of resources to just destroy a bunch 
of bikes but hey, they are his to do so, I guess.  Pretty confident I will not 
be funding his retirement though.

On Wednesday, May 24, 2017 at 11:32:15 AM UTC-4, Lee Legrand wrote:
FWIW, BG sounds like any number of people I've worked with over the years - to 
be honest, as I've grown older myself, I feel that I've become less patient 
with these sorts of folks. But at a basic humanitarian level, I can see how BG 
deserves could use some help.

Hi Steve Chan,

I cannot comment about Bruce Gorden personally since I never spoken to him but 
the comments of his attitude or behavior seems consistent to what I have read 
over the internet over the years.

I use to think that as I got older, I became less tolerant of people when they 
did things that I disapprove of or did things which I thought were unnecessary 
and cruel.  I understand your frustration but I am actually going the opposite 
way to where I started of being more tolerant.  For a person who has left jobs 
because I felt excessively exploited and mistreated, my opinion, although you 
did not ask, is that you cant take it personally when have bad behaviors.  It 
is allowing people pull your strings and you are giving them license to do so.  
People with bad attitudes hurt themselves in the end and it is no reflection on 
you as a person.

That was a hard lesson I had to learn because it had to be done repeatedly 
until I got it.  Its not you so do not take it personally and do not allow 
anyone to take away your peace.

On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 11:02 AM, R Gonet  
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Gordon's attitude is a big turnoff for me.  If he wants to scrap his bikes and 
cut off his nose to spite his face, I say let him do it.  And ask him to post 
some photos for us to see it happen.

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Re: [Ext] Re: [RBW] Re: FS -- Rivendell Wilbury 59cm complete bike -- UNIQUE BUILD -- $3200

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I was thinking of offering an alternative wheel set.  It's a shame, though -- 
the wooden wheels are plenty sturdy, and they're really gorgeous.

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That's a flat-out steal, Pudge

FWIW my custom was app. 6000 US (frame and components)  and while I had RBW 
build it with  top-notch components  and I'm happy with the bike and the build 
, it is certainly not  as  eclectic  as your Wilbury.  I wonder if the wooden 
wheels are giving folks pause, though

Good luck on that sale; I kinda hope someone here buys it and enjoys it. It's a 
gorgeous bike
On Wednesday, May 10, 2017 at 12:03:57 PM UTC-5, Pudge wrote:
Hope the house sells soon!  ?

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Re: [Ext] [RBW] HubbuHubbuH stoker storage compartment

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Very cool-looking, Bill.  The Saddlesack Small is a wonderful bag -- 
unbelievable volume in a compact package, with that superb Sackville quality 
construction, and no rack required!

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1.  I'm a bag matcher
2.  I believe that Rivendell has a hard time keeping the Sackville sewers 
employed on their own, and I believe that too few people are willing to pay a 
premium for MUSA products, and that combination puts the Sackville supply chain 
in question
3.  I believe that the Saddlesack Small is a unique bag in the marketplace in 
that it's a saddlebag designed to fit a small laptop computer.
4.  I discovered that there were very few Saddlesack Smalls in stock in Olive
5.  Investing in stoker-creature-comforts is a smart investment, in my 
experience
6.  My B-17 captain saddle paired with the Nitto Stoker Stem on my HubbuHubbuH 
seemed made for a Saddlesack Small

So, I bought an Olive Saddlesack Small with the intent to run it as a stoker 
storage compartment.  I had to lower the stoker stem just a little bit to make 
vertical room, but the sack is definitely resting on top of the stem.  I'll 
have to do some testing to see what types of stokers will have knee-clearance 
issues, but I'm confident that stokers under 5'6" will be totally fine.  I 
really like the idea of having easy access to whatever you want to throw in 
there.

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Re: [Ext] Re: [RBW] Re: FS -- Rivendell Wilbury 59cm complete bike -- UNIQUE BUILD -- $3200

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Hope the house sells soon!  

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Re: [Ext] [RBW] Cork grips shellac - clear vs. amber

[Allingham II, Thomas J. (Retired Partner)]

Amber.  And steel wool between coats.  Beautiful durable matte finish.  I'll 
try to find a pic of my Wilbury -- they're beautiful.

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Re: [Ext] Re: [RBW] Re: The Hubbuhubbuhs are here!

[Allingham II, Thomas J. (Retired Partner)]

DOUBLE APPROVE TANDEM!

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On May 6, 2017, at 10:05 PM, Ren? Sterental 
> wrote:

Thank you all for the compliments!

I had no idea there was a brown cabling option, but like you, now everyone in 
my house is pretty excited with the blue cabling. Let's see how if once all the 
cables are run, the effect is the same or it becomes overwhelming.

Can't wait for the rest of the parts to arrive.

Ren?

On Sat, May 6, 2017 at 4:20 PM Julian Westerhout 
> wrote:
Ren?,

Your build-so-far looks terrific!

We're going with B17 and Flyer S in honey. I've been looking for cream cable 
housing with no luck (anyone know of any?) -- I would like to match the decals, 
but am considering going with Velo-Orange's brown or perhaps a silver.

I must admit I sort of like the boldness of the blue on yours -- despite 
myself!   :)

Julian Westerhout
Bloomington, IL


On Saturday, May 6, 2017 at 6:06:35 PM UTC-5, Ren? wrote:
Yeah, the first time I saw an orange bike with a tan Brooks saddle I had an 
epiphany. They looked so awesome. Until that moment, and still today, almost 
every orange frame I see has black parts. It was the same when I saw the first 
silver frame with tan saddle and handlebar leather tape. Which is why my custom 
is configured that way.

This is certainly an awesome project, and these frames are so cool!

Ren?
On Sat, May 6, 2017 at 2:12 PM 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch 
 wrote:

Wow. These have to be the coolest, funnestest tandems ever. Big fat tires, 
double head badges, smiley faces, moosey stoker bars, Riv ride feel, lots of 
rider size adaptability, nice craftsmanship. Wow. Ren?, nice job on the build 
so far. The tan saddles look great. I try to stay away from too much black on 
the orange builds. Because, Halloween.


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Re: [Ext] [RBW] Re: FS: 58 Simple One, Phil Hubs, Eno Crank and Eno FreeWheel, $1250

[Allingham II, Thomas J. (Retired Partner)]

Excellent price, too.  My QB is my favorite among several Rivendell (and, for 
that matter, non-Rivendell) bikes

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On May 4, 2017, at 1:58 PM, Minh 
> wrote:

+1 on this, great bike, great build, great price.  my favorite bike.

if i was nitpicky, the only thing i'd hold against it is that it's not green.  
but then you'll likely have one of the few red ones.

On Thursday, May 4, 2017 at 12:39:44 PM UTC-4, allenmichael wrote:
The Quickbeams and Simple Ones are some of Rivendell's finest bicycles. My wife 
and I have plans to move on to a boat early next year, and I need to begin the 
process of selling large, more difficult to store items such as this bike (and 
a 56 Sam Hillborne that I will post after this bike moves on to a different 
owner). I'm only going to be able to have one full bike, and I want something 
that I can take off road, over rough country, and with a load. So ... up for 
sale.

The purchaser of this bike will likely discover it is their very favorite bike.

This version of the simple one has canti brakes and lots of braze-ons. The rims 
are CR-18's, the hubs are Phil Wood, the crank and freewheel are from White 
Industries. Matching Brooks saddle and Plump Grips.

The bike is in Portland, Oregon. The price is for local pick up. I'm willing to 
take it to a shop for boxing and to ship it on bike flights but at the buyer's 
expense.

Took lots of pictures yesterday: 
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ezzmredk531b04z/AADct6KF4hTYbijbl0cOjqxra?dl=0

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Re: [Ext] Re: [RBW] Re: FS -- Rivendell Wilbury 59cm complete bike -- UNIQUE BUILD -- $3200

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Nice pic!

But the wooden rims actually serve their function well -- in contrast, I 
suspect (though I have no personal knowledge) to the carbide lamp!

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On 05/02/2017 04:54 PM, Patrick Moore wrote:
I just noticed the rims -- very appealing, though I hear they require yearly 
upkeep, like your old station hack.

The author, Tim Moore, of the very entertaining "Gironimo: Riding the Very 
Terrible 1914 Tour of Italy", used NOS wooden rims on his period Pro bike, and 
made his own brake pads out of wine bottle corks. Note that the rims didn't 
give him problems, though many other components did.

I think wood rims would be very appealing on disc wheels.

as would a carbide headlamp for night operation along with a rear LED blinkie

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Re: [Ext] [RBW] Re: FS -- Rivendell Wilbury 59cm complete bike -- UNIQUE BUILD -- $3200

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Happy to pay reasonable license fees, in light of demonstrated efficacy of the 
concept!

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"Bill Lindsay Approach" is a registered trademark.  WINK!

Bill Lindsay
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On Tuesday, May 2, 2017 at 12:26:26 PM UTC-7, Pudge wrote:
Maybe I should try the Bill Lindsay approach: Provide the list with a menu of a 
half dozen bikes for sale, first three that sell go, and the survivors get kept.

It certainly worked for Bill, but those were some pretty special bikes!

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Re: [Ext] [RBW] Re: FS -- Rivendell Wilbury 59cm complete bike -- UNIQUE BUILD -- $3200

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Maybe I should try the Bill Lindsay approach: Provide the list with a menu of a 
half dozen bikes for sale, first three that sell go, and the survivors get kept.

It certainly worked for Bill, but those were some pretty special bikes!

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Re: [Ext] [RBW] Re: FS -- Rivendell Wilbury 59cm complete bike -- UNIQUE BUILD -- $3200

[Allingham II, Thomas J. (Retired Partner)]

Drew:

Your diagnosis is doubtless correct -- thanks for the clear-eyed assessment.  
I'm certainly not immune to a spot of self-delusion!

Here's an alternative offer to the list:  frame/fork/headset/bb + brakes + 
cockpit (stem, bars, grips and levers) for $1950 plus actual shipping?

Or make an offer for what you want, folks

Tom

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> Beautiful bike. I keep thinking I should buy a Wilbury or some riv step 
> through and just hold on to it for when I can't lift my legs.
>
> I do think it's gonna be hard to sell this way. Super high end, yet unique 
> and enigmatic parts either means you're gonna have to find someone with a lot 
> of extra money, or someone who has your exact taste and wants a bike to be 
> exactly what you wanted this one to be.
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> I'm in no position on any front to let another bike into my life, but if I 
> was, a green mixte would up there on the list.
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Re: [Ext] [RBW] Re: FS -- Rivendell Wilbury 59cm complete bike -- UNIQUE BUILD -- $3200

[Allingham II, Thomas J. (Retired Partner)]

Minh:

I know I should part it out for max value, but I just find it hard to break it 
up. Why do the wood rims scare you?   Bikes had wood rims for many decades.  
They ride great, stop fine, and look fantastic.  And they're quite sturdy.

Anyway, I hope the invitation to make offers for less than the whole package 
will generate some activity.

Tom

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On May 2, 2017, at 2:26 PM, Minh 
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Tom,

I think most of us would say this is a beautiful build, but it's also 
quintessentially Pudge :)

I love the wood rims, but don't need a show bike so those actually scare me to 
death!

You should get a little more interest if you separate it out.

On Tuesday, May 2, 2017 at 2:19:50 PM UTC-4, Pudge wrote:
OK, sound of crickets since I posted this suggests either (a) the bike is of no 
interest to list members as built, or (b) the price is way too high.

As to the former -- functionally, this bike is like a nearly new, super-fancy 
step through Quickbeam.  It's not for mountainous areas, true, but single 
speeds are FUN in appropriate areas.  It's a great bike.

As to the latter problem, PLEASE feel free to make offers, including aggressive 
offers or offers for less than the complete build -- I'd love to find a list 
member who would give this bike the use it deserves.



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On Apr 30, 2017, at 4:23 PM, Allingham II, Thomas J. (Retired Partner) 
<thomas.a...@skadden.com> wrote:

Warning: Long email, but the subject line and next paragraph basically say it 
all.

OK, folks, the time has come once again to cull some bikes. First up is my 
essentially new 59 cm Hunter Green Rivendell Wilbury.  Here's a pic:  
https://flic.kr/p/H2Zb8R  There are many others, including a lot of detail 
images, in this album:
https://flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/sets/72157631845152497<https://www.google.com/url?q=https%3A%2F%2Fflickr.com%2Fphotos%2F37542512%40N04%2Fsets%2F72157631845152497=D=1=AFQjCNHIonLWn4HAiwNI_NCDkEi8H7UgfA>

I would prefer to sell this as a complete bike, and to provide some incentive, 
I've set the asking price pretty low, compared to the actual and replacement 
cost of the gorgeous frame and beautiful (and unusual, in some cases unique) 
components.  I'm biased, of course, but I think any buyer who appreciates this 
kind of bike will be thrilled with this unique example.

I bought the frame/fork new from College Park Bicycles in Maryland -- it was in 
the owner's private stash.  As list members know, a frame like this can now 
only be obtained by ordering a custom from Rivendell, at about $3,500 for the 
frameset alone.  This build has about 10 miles on it -- no dings or scratches 
on the frame that I can find anywhere.

I built this bike up from scratch.  It is an unusual, even quirky, build -- a 
single speed drive train, with hand-built wheels using Italian wooden rims.  I 
intentionally set out to make this bike as pretty as I could, with much 
attention to every detail, but don't be deceived -- it is supremely 
comfortable, and great fun to jump on and ride.  Here is a full parts list.  
Except as noted, all parts are NOS.

Frame/fork/headset

Rivendell Wilbury 59cm

Bottom bracket

Shimano

Wheelset


Front hub

Peter Weigle-modified vintage Campagnolo


Front rim

Ghisallo Wooden

36 hole


Spokes

Wheelsmith


Rear hub

White Industries ENO Eccentric


Rear rim

Ghisallo Wooden

36 hole


Rear spokes

Wheelsmith

Tires

Grand Bois Hetres

Red

Freewheel

White Industries ENO

Chain

Wipperman stainless

Crankset

Peter Weigle-modified vintage Stronglight (I think it's a 49D?)

Pedals

MKS rubber block, w/ red rubber blocks subbed in to match the Hetres

Seatpost

Nitto Lugged Post

Saddle

Brooks B-17 Special (hand-hammered copper rivets)

Stem

Nitto Lugged Stem

Handlebars

Nitto Albatross

Grips

Rivendell Cork, shellacked

Brake levers

Tektro vintage-style

Brakes

VO Grand Cru centerpulls

Straddle cable hangers

Herse-style from Compass Cycles

Front bag

Tubular custom plaid bag from Eric Hjeltness

Rear bag

Lunch-bag style plaid bag from Eric Hjeltness


Also included is a beautiful leather wrapped thermos flask from Beg Bicycles in 
the UK, which fits the Nitto bottle cage perfectly, and matches the saddle.

Some pertinent measurements:

Seat tube 60cm
Virtual top tube 59cm
Saddle height as pictured 78cm
Reach (rear of saddle to rear ends of grips) 70cm

I have a PBH of around 87cm, and it fits me like a glove.  Moreover, since it's 
a mixte, the fit is flexible, as standover is not an issue.

I have just about $4,600 invested in this bike, which is essentially brand new. 
 Replacement cost would be an additional $1,700, so around $5,300.  I'm asking 
$3,200.  I'll consider delivery anywhere in the Middle Atlantic states, so if 
you're willing to meet me halfway, no need to ship within a radius of at least 
400 miles of Delaware.  Otherwise, actual shipping cost paid by buyer

[RBW] Re: FS -- Rivendell Wilbury 59cm complete bike -- UNIQUE BUILD -- $3200

[Allingham II, Thomas J. (Retired Partner)]

OK, sound of crickets since I posted this suggests either (a) the bike is of no 
interest to list members as built, or (b) the price is way too high.

As to the former -- functionally, this bike is like a nearly new, super-fancy 
step through Quickbeam.  It's not for mountainous areas, true, but single 
speeds are FUN in appropriate areas.  It's a great bike.

As to the latter problem, PLEASE feel free to make offers, including aggressive 
offers or offers for less than the complete build -- I'd love to find a list 
member who would give this bike the use it deserves.



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On Apr 30, 2017, at 4:23 PM, Allingham II, Thomas J. (Retired Partner) 
<thomas.alling...@skadden.com<mailto:thomas.alling...@skadden.com>> wrote:

Warning: Long email, but the subject line and next paragraph basically say it 
all.

OK, folks, the time has come once again to cull some bikes. First up is my 
essentially new 59 cm Hunter Green Rivendell Wilbury.  Here's a pic:  
https://flic.kr/p/H2Zb8R  There are many others, including a lot of detail 
images, in this album:
https://flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/sets/72157631845152497

I would prefer to sell this as a complete bike, and to provide some incentive, 
I've set the asking price pretty low, compared to the actual and replacement 
cost of the gorgeous frame and beautiful (and unusual, in some cases unique) 
components.  I'm biased, of course, but I think any buyer who appreciates this 
kind of bike will be thrilled with this unique example.

I bought the frame/fork new from College Park Bicycles in Maryland -- it was in 
the owner's private stash.  As list members know, a frame like this can now 
only be obtained by ordering a custom from Rivendell, at about $3,500 for the 
frameset alone.  This build has about 10 miles on it -- no dings or scratches 
on the frame that I can find anywhere.

I built this bike up from scratch.  It is an unusual, even quirky, build -- a 
single speed drive train, with hand-built wheels using Italian wooden rims.  I 
intentionally set out to make this bike as pretty as I could, with much 
attention to every detail, but don't be deceived -- it is supremely 
comfortable, and great fun to jump on and ride.  Here is a full parts list.  
Except as noted, all parts are NOS.

Frame/fork/headset

Rivendell Wilbury 59cm

Bottom bracket

Shimano

Wheelset


Front hub

Peter Weigle-modified vintage Campagnolo


Front rim

Ghisallo Wooden

36 hole


Spokes

Wheelsmith


Rear hub

White Industries ENO Eccentric


Rear rim

Ghisallo Wooden

36 hole


Rear spokes

Wheelsmith

Tires

Grand Bois Hetres

Red

Freewheel

White Industries ENO

Chain

Wipperman stainless

Crankset

Peter Weigle-modified vintage Stronglight (I think it's a 49D?)

Pedals

MKS rubber block, w/ red rubber blocks subbed in to match the Hetres

Seatpost

Nitto Lugged Post

Saddle

Brooks B-17 Special (hand-hammered copper rivets)

Stem

Nitto Lugged Stem

Handlebars

Nitto Albatross

Grips

Rivendell Cork, shellacked

Brake levers

Tektro vintage-style

Brakes

VO Grand Cru centerpulls

Straddle cable hangers

Herse-style from Compass Cycles

Front bag

Tubular custom plaid bag from Eric Hjeltness

Rear bag

Lunch-bag style plaid bag from Eric Hjeltness


Also included is a beautiful leather wrapped thermos flask from Beg Bicycles in 
the UK, which fits the Nitto bottle cage perfectly, and matches the saddle.

Some pertinent measurements:

Seat tube 60cm
Virtual top tube 59cm
Saddle height as pictured 78cm
Reach (rear of saddle to rear ends of grips) 70cm

I have a PBH of around 87cm, and it fits me like a glove.  Moreover, since it's 
a mixte, the fit is flexible, as standover is not an issue.

I have just about $4,600 invested in this bike, which is essentially brand new. 
 Replacement cost would be an additional $1,700, so around $5,300.  I'm asking 
$3,200.  I'll consider delivery anywhere in the Middle Atlantic states, so if 
you're willing to meet me halfway, no need to ship within a radius of at least 
400 miles of Delaware.  Otherwise, actual shipping cost paid by buyer.

Hit me up if you have any questions.  I'm probably going to be posting some 
other bikes in the next couple of weeks, too.

Thanks for considering.

Tom Allingham (Pudge, to the list!)





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Re: [Ext] [RBW] FS Wippermann Connex 9sX (nickel/stainless steel) 9 speed chain

[Allingham II, Thomas J. (Retired Partner)]

Thx!

Sent from my iPhone

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Hi Tom,

I shipped your chain via USPS with tracking number 9500114864177121059957

Thx,

Bruce Smitham




On Apr 30, 2017, at 8:18 PM, Allingham II, Thomas J. (Retired Partner) 
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Done.  Address is

Tom Allingham
927 Westover Road
Wilmington, DE 19807

Thanks!

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Sounds good. How about an extra $6.45 for shipping via USPS Priority? It would 
be $56.45 total via paypal "firends & family" or cover any associated fees to: 
wineh...@gmail.com<mailto:wineh...@gmail.com>

Let me know where you want it shipped and I can get it out tomorrow.

Cheers,

Bruce

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I'll take it, Bruce

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For sale Wippermann Connex 9sX (nickel/stainless steel) 9 speed chain. New in 
box and never opened. $50 plus shipping CONUS

Bruce in San Diego

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Re: [Ext] [RBW] FS Wippermann Connex 9sX (nickel/stainless steel) 9 speed chain

[Allingham II, Thomas J. (Retired Partner)]

Done.  Address is

Tom Allingham
927 Westover Road
Wilmington, DE 19807

Thanks!

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Sounds good. How about an extra $6.45 for shipping via USPS Priority? It would 
be $56.45 total via paypal "firends & family" or cover any associated fees to: 
wineh...@gmail.com<mailto:wineh...@gmail.com>

Let me know where you want it shipped and I can get it out tomorrow.

Cheers,

Bruce

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<thomas.alling...@skadden.com<mailto:thomas.alling...@skadden.com>> wrote:
I'll take it, Bruce

Sent from my iPhone

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<wineh...@gmail.com<mailto:wineh...@gmail.com>> wrote:

For sale Wippermann Connex 9sX (nickel/stainless steel) 9 speed chain. New in 
box and never opened. $50 plus shipping CONUS

Bruce in San Diego

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Re: [Ext] [RBW] FS Wippermann Connex 9sX (nickel/stainless steel) 9 speed chain

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I'll take it, Bruce

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[RBW] FS -- Rivendell Wilbury 59cm complete bike -- UNIQUE BUILD -- $3200

[Allingham II, Thomas J. (Retired Partner)]

Warning: Long email, but the subject line and next paragraph basically say it 
all.

OK, folks, the time has come once again to cull some bikes. First up is my 
essentially new 59 cm Hunter Green Rivendell Wilbury.  Here's a pic:  
https://flic.kr/p/H2Zb8R  There are many others, including a lot of detail 
images, in this album:
https://flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/sets/72157631845152497

I would prefer to sell this as a complete bike, and to provide some incentive, 
I've set the asking price pretty low, compared to the actual and replacement 
cost of the gorgeous frame and beautiful (and unusual, in some cases unique) 
components.  I'm biased, of course, but I think any buyer who appreciates this 
kind of bike will be thrilled with this unique example.

I bought the frame/fork new from College Park Bicycles in Maryland -- it was in 
the owner's private stash.  As list members know, a frame like this can now 
only be obtained by ordering a custom from Rivendell, at about $3,500 for the 
frameset alone.  This build has about 10 miles on it -- no dings or scratches 
on the frame that I can find anywhere.

I built this bike up from scratch.  It is an unusual, even quirky, build -- a 
single speed drive train, with hand-built wheels using Italian wooden rims.  I 
intentionally set out to make this bike as pretty as I could, with much 
attention to every detail, but don't be deceived -- it is supremely 
comfortable, and great fun to jump on and ride.  Here is a full parts list.  
Except as noted, all parts are NOS.

Frame/fork/headset

Rivendell Wilbury 59cm

Bottom bracket

Shimano

Wheelset


Front hub

Peter Weigle-modified vintage Campagnolo


Front rim

Ghisallo Wooden

36 hole


Spokes

Wheelsmith


Rear hub

White Industries ENO Eccentric


Rear rim

Ghisallo Wooden

36 hole


Rear spokes

Wheelsmith

Tires

Grand Bois Hetres

Red

Freewheel

White Industries ENO

Chain

Wipperman stainless

Crankset

Peter Weigle-modified vintage Stronglight (I think it's a 49D?)

Pedals

MKS rubber block, w/ red rubber blocks subbed in to match the Hetres

Seatpost

Nitto Lugged Post

Saddle

Brooks B-17 Special (hand-hammered copper rivets)

Stem

Nitto Lugged Stem

Handlebars

Nitto Albatross

Grips

Rivendell Cork, shellacked

Brake levers

Tektro vintage-style

Brakes

VO Grand Cru centerpulls

Straddle cable hangers

Herse-style from Compass Cycles

Front bag

Tubular custom plaid bag from Eric Hjeltness

Rear bag

Lunch-bag style plaid bag from Eric Hjeltness


Also included is a beautiful leather wrapped thermos flask from Beg Bicycles in 
the UK, which fits the Nitto bottle cage perfectly, and matches the saddle.

Some pertinent measurements:

Seat tube 60cm
Virtual top tube 59cm
Saddle height as pictured 78cm
Reach (rear of saddle to rear ends of grips) 70cm

I have a PBH of around 87cm, and it fits me like a glove.  Moreover, since it's 
a mixte, the fit is flexible, as standover is not an issue.

I have just about $4,600 invested in this bike, which is essentially brand new. 
 Replacement cost would be an additional $1,700, so around $5,300.  I'm asking 
$3,200.  I'll consider delivery anywhere in the Middle Atlantic states, so if 
you're willing to meet me halfway, no need to ship within a radius of at least 
400 miles of Delaware.  Otherwise, actual shipping cost paid by buyer.

Hit me up if you have any questions.  I'm probably going to be posting some 
other bikes in the next couple of weeks, too.

Thanks for considering.

Tom Allingham (Pudge, to the list!)





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Re: [Ext] [RBW] New charity build

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Auction was last night, and the bike fetched $2100.  First time it got a 
winning bid higher than its actual out of pocket cost to me!  This is the fifth 
year I've donated a bike, and it was clear that people are becoming 
increasingly familiar with the kind of bike being auctioned, and more 
comfortable with the high (relative to department store) prices.

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> Thanks, all. I will report the results -- not likely to fetch the $1800 last 
> year's Clementine managed, but who knows?
>
> Bill, that is the VO post, in 27.2. It's a pretty nice post, with good 
> setback. 2 bolt.
>
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>> Another beautiful build Tom! I second the interest in learning what it sells 
>> for, if you would not mind.
>> Thanks,
>> Erl
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Re: [Ext] [RBW] New charity build

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Thanks, all. I will report the results -- not likely to fetch the $1800 last 
year's Clementine managed, but who knows?

Bill, that is the VO post, in 27.2. It's a pretty nice post, with good setback. 
2 bolt.

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> Thanks,
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[RBW] New charity build

[Allingham II, Thomas J. (Retired Partner)]

Here are some pics of a new build for a fundraiser auction at my daughter's 
school. I built a Clementine last year, but thought I'd try a Mixte frame from 
New Albion Cycles this year.  I had broken the front dropout installing a 
headset a couple of years ago (stupidity!), so I bought a chrome replacement 
fork from SOMA. Riv content:  Extra long reach Tektro sidepulls, and Sneaker 
Pedals.  The rest of the build is pretty eclectic, and all from the parts bin.  
The floral pannier is from Basil, and yes, the bell is matchy-matchy.  Gotta 
get bidders' attention!

https://flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/sets/72157681076616781

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Re: [Ext] [RBW] FS: Pass and Stow Porteur Rack - Silver

[Allingham II, Thomas J. (Retired Partner)]

Truly superb rack. I have one on my Bombadil, and it's awesome

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On Apr 24, 2017, at 9:10 AM, David Banzer 
> wrote:

With a move out of the city, I've found my bike hauling needs have changed. 
This was on my Clem (59cm) and worked great.
I believe it is the 'Tall' version as it fit on Clem with 29x2.35 tires and 
fenders and fit perfectly.
Price is $230 plus shipping.
Paypal Personal on this one please.
An 'older' photo when Clem was setup for carrying a buncha stuff: 
https://www.instagram.com/p/BD6ghQHsmfx/?taken-by=treetopdesigns
Contact offlist with any questions or interest.
Thanks,
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Re: [Ext] Re: [RBW] Re: (maybe) WTB Brooks B68 - Question regarding brooks saddle for Joe Appaloosa

[Allingham II, Thomas J. (Retired Partner)]

This illustrates how. Personal saddle choice is. If I could put a slotted C17 
on every one of my bikes, I would.

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> I had a C17 for a short time. It's hard to imagine a saddle supposedly 
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Re: [Ext] Re: [RBW] Re: Opinions on saddlebags? Swift vs. Carradice vs. Sackville

[Allingham II, Thomas J. (Retired Partner)]

Have one. And a backup.  That stuff is da bomb.

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Tom

While you are remembering the things you forgot, I'll remind you to remember 
whether you need to add a tub of Phil Hand Cleaner.  That was the other thing I 
bought, because my tub just went dry.  If you have a full tub already, then you 
know.  If you never had one, you can thank me later when you get one.

Bill

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Oh man -- missed opportunity.  Time to make another cybervisit

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Re: [Ext] Re: [RBW] Re: Opinions on saddlebags? Swift vs. Carradice vs. Sackville

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Oh man -- missed opportunity.  Time to make another cybervisit

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Re: [Ext] Re: [RBW] Re: Opinions on saddlebags? Swift vs. Carradice vs. Sackville

[Allingham II, Thomas J. (Retired Partner)]

Bill's note inspired me to order up a blue Medium Saddlesack, too.
Because it's blue.
How 'bout you?

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> The blue will look great on my Road Stnd and my green Cheviot!
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Re: [Ext] [RBW] Re: kindness

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Wow. Thank you, Sky -- this message made my day.

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I couldn't agree more.  I've been in many chat group forums from guitars to 
antiques and other bike focused ones but this one is universally polite and 
"family friendly".  Not so in many others I'm afraid.

On Thursday, April 13, 2017 at 12:58:22 PM UTC-4, Sky Coulter wrote:
There are a lot of bike geek forums and lists out there. In addition to its 
focus on Rivendell Bicycle Works, what has made this group uniquely appealing 
to me is the kindness and courtesy members extend to one another.  It isn't an 
exaggeration to say that it has increased my faith in the basic decency of 
people.  I mostly just sort of eavesdrop on conversations between other 
members, but since my main bike geek friend who introduced me to this list 
passed away, I've been slowly becoming a more active participant.  Strangers in 
this group, connected by technology and common interest, have helped fill some 
of the void that my friend's passing left.  So I guess I'd just like to say 
thank you to everyone for the kind, courteous and respectful interactions; it 
has really helped me feel connected to a community.

Sky in new west

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Re: [Ext] [RBW] WTB: 61cm Atlantis

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I have a 61cm Atlantis I'm thinking of selling as a complete bike. It's a 
beauty.

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Re: [Ext] [RBW] Re: OT: Update on ECHS Mountain Bike Racing Team (some Riv content, plus begging for donations)

[Allingham II, Thomas J. (Retired Partner)]

Awesome!  You must be having a blast, Bill -- sounds like SO much fun

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On Mar 27, 2017, at 4:56 PM, Ryan Fleming 
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Great! is that you in the foreground?

On Monday, March 27, 2017 at 3:13:09 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
We met our Go-Fund-Me goal and we bought a trailer.  Race #3 was this past 
weekend and our riders got another 5 podium finishes, and we notched another 
2nd place in the team competition.  Interesting note: the team race trophies 
were handbuilt by local frame builder Cameron Falconer.

BL for ECHS

[https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/XM2wROg-ZMzCdKlwsnesnutG9inDnMnHCQl-gcp0dK39nkQ2rqfCyFBXBAziq1-niAQ_Qk5vWiYkvQg0Zp6QZVv9WeVlWXnQ7s12_MSFiALMd-N7dI-75Rw-XVkpmEWO1-jSdtVZbr7sak5Ii8TOkRRjtKUbttI4hz65htb7sybz4zONg8qTxZs-Zrwc=w5000-h5000]

Race

On Tuesday, March 14, 2017 at 7:52:46 AM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
One-thousand thank yous to those who could donate.  I'm really grateful.

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Monday, March 13, 2017 at 11:44:19 AM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
Many of you know I'm the volunteer team mechanic for El Cerrito High School 
Mountain Bike Racing Team.  I have a son at ECHS, but he's a swimmer.  I 
volunteered for the team almost entirely for me.  So far, it's one of the 
better things I've done for myself.  We race in the Norcal High School Cycling 
League, in the Southern Division.  We are one of six D1 teams, and by far the 
smallest.  D1 is dominated by Salinas High School, who regularly field ~40 
riders, while we field ~15.

Last weekend was our second race of the season and our team's best performance 
ever.  The race course was adjacent to Laguna Seca Raceway in Monterrey, CA.  
Our EC Gauchos won three races (JV Boys, JV Girls, and Soph Boys) and we got 
two second place medals and a fourth.  We placed second in the team competition 
behind Salinas, but beat both of our East Bay Rivals Berkeley and Albany.  We 
also hold a strong second place in the season-long team overall competition.  
It's a big challenge for our small team because you use your top 8 finishers to 
make your team score.  When you only field 15 riders, going 8 deep is tough.

My weekend had several highlights.  I solo-camped out at Laguna Seca Friday 
night, and the evening was so warm and dry that I didn't even have to use my 
rainfly.  I enjoyed a very pleasant coffee outside on Saturday morning.  Being 
on site gave me plenty of time to do a lap on the very challenging race course. 
 Grant would possibly approve that I underbiked with no shocks, but would 
undoubtedly disapprove at how much crabon I was running.  Besides personal 
stuff a couple of our kids dug incredibly deep and had best ever results.  
Being around their energy has been a sort of fountain of youth experience for 
me.

Sadly, during the offseason, our team trailer was stolen.  So we've been 
renting a U-Haul for each of these race weekends.  We have an opportunity to 
buy a used trailer now, but are quite short on funds.  If you feel like helping 
out a terrific group of kids with ANY amount, please check out our GoFundMe 
below.  Thanks

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

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RE: [Ext] [RBW] Re: New Batch of Rosco Mixtes - Maybe

[Allingham II, Thomas J. (Retired Partner)]

LAVENDER APPROVE

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Subject: Re: [Ext] [RBW] Re: New Batch of Rosco Mixtes - Maybe

I'm officially #7.  Orange is a non starter because the nature of the decals.  
As always, Grant and Roman indulged and humored me.  Some threw lavender in the 
ring which could be real cool.

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Re: [Ext] [RBW] Re: New Batch of Rosco Mixtes - Maybe

[Allingham II, Thomas J. (Retired Partner)]

As reputed #4, I second both of Conway's suggestions, maybe in reverse order.  
But it is very disturbing that there is not a single orange speed demon in my 
stable

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> Just emailed Grant.  Gonna replace my wife's 53 cm caseroll with the bubbe 
> which will fit me too so it'll see more use than the salsa does.  It'll make 
> a great kid hauler too, someday.
>
> It's supposed to be a different color so maybe we can influence that 
> decision.  I for instance, need an orange bike but always liked that frosty 
> root beer brown that ended up on a AHH way back when.
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Re: [Ext] [RBW] Re: New Batch of Rosco Mixtes - Maybe

[Allingham II, Thomas J. (Retired Partner)]

I'm #4!  Can't wait.  I resisted first time around, but the new run was too much

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> For some reason I didn't get the email. What size these? The huge ones or the 
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> well if that's what we are talking about.
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> Cheers!
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Re: [Ext] [RBW] Re: FS: Brooks, Sackville, Nitto Campee, Velo Orage, Honjo, Brand V

[Allingham II, Thomas J. (Retired Partner)]

Shipping address is

Tom Allingham
927 Westover Road
Wilmington, DE 19807

As soon as I can get to my computer I'll do the PayPal.

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On Mar 4, 2017, at 11:22 AM, Alex Moll 
> wrote:

Many items have sold. Here's what's left:

1.) Nitto Big Back Rack, Medium

5.) Brooks B17 Special

8.) Honjo fenders



On Friday, March 3, 2017 at 6:52:00 PM UTC-8, Alex Moll wrote:
Hello Gang,

Shipping charges are included for the lower 48. If you live in Canada, Alaska, 
or Hawaii - we'll split the difference. By the way, the free shipping deal 
assumes that you'll use the "personal" option with Paypal. I'm also happy to 
meet you on the weekend anywhere on the I-5 corridor between Marysville, WA and 
the U-district in Seattle.

Paypal to: amol...@comcast.net

All pics here: 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/39151498@N07/albums/72157679113949711/with/33193253276/

1.) Nitto Big Back Rack Medium. Excellent condition, barely used. $160 shipped.

2.) Sackville Tour Sacks, Grid Grey, never used. $160 shipped.

3.) Velo Orange chain guard. Includes mounting hardware, and some custom engine 
turning, which goes well with dimpled fenders. $40 shipped.

4.) Saddle sack, XSmall, "Brand V". $40 shipped.

5.)  Brooks B17 Special Honey, comes with Brooks saddle cover - $105 shipped.

6.) Tektro city brake levers. $20 shipped.

7.) Sackville Trunk Sack, Small, Grid Grey. $80 shipped.

8.) Honjo La Paon fenders, 45mm. Extra front stay - custom fit to my Rivendell 
custom (see a pic in the set.) Also includes Sackville grid grey mudflaps, 
Boulder diamond reinforcement, Boudler tapered spacer under the daruma, and 
r-clips and bolts. $125 shipped. I'd rather NOT ship these, so if you'll do a 
local pickup or meet between Marysville, and Seattle = I'll take $100.

Thank you.

Alex Moll
Marysville, WA




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Re: [Ext] [RBW] FS: Brooks, Sackville, Nitto Campee, Velo Orage, Honjo, Brand V

[Allingham II, Thomas J. (Retired Partner)]

I'll take the VO chainguard if it's still available

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On Mar 3, 2017, at 9:52 PM, Alex Moll 
> wrote:

Hello Gang,

Shipping charges are included for the lower 48. If you live in Canada, Alaska, 
or Hawaii - we'll split the difference. By the way, the free shipping deal 
assumes that you'll use the "personal" option with Paypal. I'm also happy to 
meet you on the weekend anywhere on the I-5 corridor between Marysville, WA and 
the U-district in Seattle.

Paypal to: amol...@comcast.net

All pics here: 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/39151498@N07/albums/72157679113949711/with/33193253276/

1.) Nitto Big Back Rack Medium. Excellent condition, barely used. $160 shipped.

2.) Sackville Tour Sacks, Grid Grey, never used. $160 shipped.

3.) Velo Orange chain guard. Includes mounting hardware, and some custom engine 
turning, which goes well with dimpled fenders. $40 shipped.

4.) Saddle sack, XSmall, "Brand V". $40 shipped.

5.)  Brooks B17 Special Honey, comes with Brooks saddle cover - $105 shipped.

6.) Tektro city brake levers. $20 shipped.

7.) Sackville Trunk Sack, Small, Grid Grey. $80 shipped.

8.) Honjo La Paon fenders, 45mm. Extra front stay - custom fit to my Rivendell 
custom (see a pic in the set.) Also includes Sackville grid grey mudflaps, 
Boulder diamond reinforcement, Boudler tapered spacer under the daruma, and 
r-clips and bolts. $125 shipped. I'd rather NOT ship these, so if you'll do a 
local pickup or meet between Marysville, and Seattle = I'll take $100.

Thank you.

Alex Moll
Marysville, WA




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Re: [Ext] [RBW] Re: Glorius and Wilbury

[Allingham II, Thomas J. (Retired Partner)]

No problem. Not much interest in my bike -- I was a little surprised.

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> On Feb 21, 2017, at 2:51 PM, Abcyclehank  wrote:
>
> Why oh why was there never a 65cm+ one.  Next best thing Grant, Will and 
> company conjured up and Jumbo Rosco Mountain Mixte and I am a happy happy man.
>
> Ryan "vertically challenged" Hankinson
> West Michigan
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Re: [Ext] [RBW] Wanted: Front Bag

[Allingham II, Thomas J. (Retired Partner)]

I have one that's brand new. PM me.

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> On Feb 20, 2017, at 11:10 PM, Pondero  wrote:
>
> Eric, I've got an old black Berthoud in that size.  But it is a fixer-upper, 
> and I just never get around to repairs.  The "hook" for the elastic closure 
> for the lid needs to be replaced.  It has some beausage, but I think a crafty 
> person could get it back in productive use.  You might be thinking of 
> something fancier for a new bike, but thought I'd mention it just in case it 
> strikes a chord.  Of course it would be priced much lower than the new ones.
>
> Chris Johnson
> Sanger, Texas
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Re: [Ext] Re: [RBW] New tires, perhaps?

[Allingham II, Thomas J. (Retired Partner)]

I don't think the Glorious lugs would work on the C-tine frame design. Angles 
wouldn't work.

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> On Feb 18, 2017, at 1:04 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>
> Also, just a thought, and maybe a dumb one, but has anyone ever asked for a 
> Clementine frame with more and Glorius lugs?
>
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>> On Feb 18, 2017, at 9:35 AM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>>
>> You guys are so bad for me. Enablers! Do you know, just yesterday I  hired a 
>> painter to repaint the inside of our house, and now I wish I had plunked 
>> down that money for the dream Riv instead. Maybe I could live with the muddy 
>> brown paint put on every wall but the bedrooms (ugh). Or maybe I could have 
>> spent the next year of my life, paintbrush in hand and have figured out how 
>> to do those huge walls over the spiral staircase (asking for a broken neck 
>> here). Maybe I could do the Inconvenient & Hard Things because there would 
>> be the dream Riv mixte in the garage!
>>
>> I even know what I would choose. Think: overkill. I would ask for the 
>> Cheviot frame with the Glorius lugs. It would be that luscious Rivendell red 
>> - with sparkles, is it tacky if it has sparkles?, with cream accents. Oh, 
>> and can my name be painted in some lovely place like we saw on that recent 
>> orange work of art on the Blug? It would have dynamo lighting (because oooh 
>> you fancy!) and a double kickstand and the prettiest Nitto racks they make. 
>> Ooooh, cream tires. And pixie dust. Lots of pixie dust.
>>
>> And now I must get control of myself and go back to choosing gray paint for 
>> the walls. Barf.
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
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>>> On Feb 18, 2017, at 5:04 AM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
>>>
>>>
 On 02/17/2017 11:23 PM, Ray Varella wrote:
 Leah,
   Not to be devils advocate, but if you are using your bike for 
 everyday transportation and or recreation, it makes good sense to have a 
 second bike.
 I've ever been reliant on a shop for my repairs and maintenance but there 
 have been many occasions where I was leaving for work and either had a 
 flat or something that I forgot to deal with the previous day and was able 
 to just grab another bike.

 Set them up a bit differently.
>>>
>>> Absolutely.  Agree 100%.  Even with a shop that has a policy of 
>>> prioritizing repairs to commuter bikes there will still be times when a 
>>> second bike will be a huge convenience.  How often have you discovered you 
>>> had a slow leak by finding one of your tires flat as you were getting ready 
>>> to ride to work?  And how many of us leave that much spare time in the 
>>> morning before heading to work that we can take the time to fix a flat 
>>> without feeling rushed and harried? I've been there often enough over the 
>>> years to really appreciate having a back-up.
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Re: [Ext] [RBW] Re: Glorius and Wilbury

[Allingham II, Thomas J. (Retired Partner)]

I have a 59 or 60 cm Wilbury that I'm thinking about selling. Anybody want to 
talk?  It's this one. Essentially brand new. 
https://flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/sets/72157631845152497

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On Feb 18, 2017, at 12:40 PM, Abcyclehank 
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Has anyone contacted Riv to get a new built semi-built and painted.  I know the 
more beautiful Ryan gave an estimate and I was thinking in the same range.
Wish more used ones popped up. Gorgeous and Wonderul respectively don't do 
these games justice.
When they are available they disappear quickly.

The taller Ryan
West Michigan

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Re: [Ext] [RBW] FS - 56cm Bombadil - 650B Goldilocks Bike!

[Allingham II, Thomas J. (Retired Partner)]

Tony bought this frame from me (and I only sold it because I had TWO 56cm 
Bombadil!). It's a stunning bike, and when Tony says those high-polish Bruce 
Gordon are the "crown jewel", he's not kidding. They are wonderful brakes, and 
GORGEOUS!

Someone buy this before I give in and buy it myself!

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On Feb 17, 2017, at 11:29 AM, Tony DeFilippo 
> wrote:

[https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-6084q9QXpGA/WKcdKA0fZbI/WRI/5x4fBrc8iY8gEqNEq42Uv9p1FMRUSlyoQCLcB/s400/DSC_1578.jpg]

Original parallel double top tube, ultra-spec'd Bombadil 
frame/fork/headset/bottom bracket for sale

Size -  56cm - I am a PBH ~90 and ride a 60cm Saluki, I find the Bombadil to 
ride nearly identical from a fit perspective with added top tube clearance of 
course.

Geometry - BB Drop 67mm / TT Upslope 6deg / Rear Hub Space 135mm / Approx 
Standover 85cm / ST Angle 72deg / HT Angle 71.5deg / Rake 5.2mm / TT 60.6cm / 
Chain Stay 45mm
*Per Cyclofiend - http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/bombadil/index.html

Condition - Plenty of nicks and chips, chainsuck, the seat tube decal has a 
tear, dropouts are paint chipped, and one of the top tubes has some paint 
rubbed off.  That said it's a stunning color and constantly gets comments when 
I ride it, if I keep the bike it won't get a paintjob any time soon as the 
overall appearance is good (beasauge!).  No rust and to no structural concerns.

Tire Clearance - 650B x 2.25" knobbies without fenders, 650B x 48mm with 
fenders - may have some more capacity for a 50mm slick but I haven't tried, see 
the pictures below with the Compass SBH 48's and fenders.

Test Rides - If you are local to DC-VA-MD area I'd be happy to let you ride it 
as I have it built up currently.

Sale Includes - Frame, Fork, Headset (Tange, likely original), Bottom Bracket 
(Shimano, new <250miles)

Asking Price - $1,400 shipping included via bikeflights in lower 48, paypal f/f 
or cash in person

Options - I can spec out a nearly complete build if requested, as it is 
currently built I'd probably need $2,250 and buyer would pay shipping. 
Drivetrain is essentially brand new 3x8 speed shimano w/ a clutch RD and Silver 
shifters, brand new chainrings, chain, cassette etc.  Nobby Nics on Shimano LX 
hubs, synergy rims, Nitto RM013 dirt drops and the crown jewel - Bruce Gordon 
Canti's.

Hit me up offlist for offers, discussion and more photo's if interested.  If it 
matters, I'm only selling in pursuit of a ~3" tired bike to complement my 
Saluki and XO-3.  If I didn't have quite so much blood, sweat and tears into my 
re-painted Saluki I'd probably sell it and keep the Bombadil as it's more 
versatile but as it is the Saluki is perfectly dialed in for commuting, light 
off-pavement and rail-trail functions and I love my matching frame/fender 
paintjob.

[https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-RHPx1T0WJk4/WKckIjLIusI/WRg/jbpeZczKcW8pLmipJDl8tVtbKqIvLvgnQCLcB/s400/DSC_1579.jpg]

[https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-QuDRVUpoGM0/WKckQgjz8BI/WRk/xV7ZXL3nqW0hAqH6tHDnEAjVlDgyeb77QCLcB/s400/IMG_20160208_210535878.jpg]

[https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-AKr4RVBnw_I/WKckVeAaLiI/WRo/fyZnYd1rYQ0qKgBP0FAhvZM7otcxTErSgCLcB/s400/IMG_20160208_210405709.jpg]

[https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Vgo5UyuidbU/WKckbkKlziI/WRs/oZ9xSwBAiCoemJ25wvZ-ukiKI-JaL_VZQCLcB/s400/IMG_20160811_195945894.jpg]


[https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-ewpQ4F8zMrs/WKckml6PV6I/WRw/MB2iFhrsH3ETBFH14IgOe1bIVMGtC6BdwCLcB/s400/DSC_1581.jpg]












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Re: [Ext] [RBW] Re: Glorius and Wilbury

[Allingham II, Thomas J. (Retired Partner)]

Fab ride , I can attest.

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On Feb 16, 2017, at 9:37 PM, Chris Birkenmaier 
> wrote:

Very helpful guys.  Thanks!  I'm afraid a 58 is too big for me.  Any idea on 
price?  Akin to a Roadeo frame, for instance?  Photos still encouraged!

On Thursday, February 16, 2017 at 9:12:27 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
Different names, same bike. Available as a semi-custom (built-to-order to a Riv 
spec), or you can by the 58cm Glorius Rich-at-Riv is selling. Compared to a 
Cheviot it has shorter chsinstays and super-fancy lugs. I suspect the tubing is 
a bit thinner, too.

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Re: [Ext] [RBW] Glorius and Wilbury

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I have a (weirdly built) Wilbury. I can post some pics later.

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Re: [Ext] [RBW] Glorius and Wilbury

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They're the same bike, different decals.  There's even one somewhere that has a 
Glorious badge and Wilbury transfers ( or vice versus, I forget).

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Re: [Ext] [RBW] Re: Ordering to delivery timeframe

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A metallic grey Atlantis?  Welcome to the club!  (It's obviously not very 
exclusive, given the identity of the two members I know)

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On Feb 6, 2017, at 1:37 PM, Bill Lindsay 
> wrote:

I don't know about 'typical' but I made my first "built to order" purchase from 
Rivendell in November.  I ordered a 650B Atlantis, and they said it would be 
roughly four months, due in part to the fact that lots of the Waterford folks 
take time off for hunting.  I was buying a couple things at RBW Headquarters a 
little while back and asked Will for an update and he checked for me.  He said 
my 'tentative' shipping date is 2/15/17 but he said to take that with a grain 
of salt also.

I did want a non-stock color on my Atlantis.  I did not want to break the bank, 
I just wanted something a little unique.  Will told me the easiest, lowest cost 
way to be a little bit original is to choose a 'stock option' color from 
Waterford.  He pointed me to about a dozen color choices on a webpage, and I 
picked a metallic grey.  He said all of those Waterford stock option colors are 
small upcharges, like $100 or less.  I'm not completely certain what the final 
price will be, but I'm convinced that Rivendell just passes on whatever expense 
they have to lay out to make it be the color you want.  If it's a Waterford 
color, it's fairly easy and cheap.  If it's a D paintjob, it's hundreds of 
dollars.  If it's a Joe Bell paintjob, it is even more.

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Friday, February 3, 2017 at 4:59:42 PM UTC-8, Andrew Huston wrote:
What has been the typical time from the order to delivery of Waterford made 
Atlantis or Hunqapillar?  I called Waterford and was told at least 8 weeks, 
which isn't too bad but I feel like it could be a bit longer, maybe a lot 
longer. I was also informed they are waiting for chainstays to complete current 
orders so that would likely put up a bit of a delay as well. It's winter here 
in MI so I have some time, I'd just hate to have wait until September. Also, 
has anyone opted for alternate color choices and what has the cost been, if you 
are willing to share. Many thanks.

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Re: [Ext] [RBW] WTB: Riv cheapy pedals

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I have a Clem takeoff and several other pairs of plastic pedals, Joe.  I can 
post pics for you when I get back home in a couple of hours

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> Does anybody have take-offs from a complete CLEM or Appaloosa build? I just 
> bought some VP Gripsters from RBW for my new-to-me singlespeed, and would 
> like to try the similar design plastic cheapies on another bike (Riv doesn't 
> sell them separately).
>
> Thanks,
> Joe Bernard
> Vallejo, CA.
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Re: [Ext] [RBW] Seatpost size for Atlantis?

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NO

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Hey folks,

The shop building up my Atlantis has informed me that my 27.2 seatpost Nitto 
S83 is a tad too tight. They're recommending a 27 inch seatpost. Does this jive 
with what you have on your Atlantis?

Thanks,
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Re: [RBW] 59cm Clementine f/s in York, PA (not mine)

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Sick deal. If I were closer...

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> I spotted this on my local Craigslist:
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> york.craigslist.org/bik/5961011513.html
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> It seems like a great deal, if you're interested, I could check it out for 
> you.
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Re: [RBW] Recommendation of a rear USB light or reflector that I can attach to the back of my Nitto R14 rear rack to cover those holes?

[Allingham II, Thomas J. (Retired Partner)]

That light is terrific, and mounts almost anywhere. I've mounted it on the rear 
of a Pletscher rack and a Nitto Rear Rack.  I can't remember what the back 
piece of the R-14 looks like, but I bet it will accommodate that light.

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I'm looking at the Hotrod 50 USB light they have on the Riv site but I'm not 
sure if it alone will connect to the rear of my R14 rear rack.

http://cygolite.com/product/hotrod-50-usb/

I've got my old light clipped to my bag but would like to put either a light or 
a reflector on the back of the rack that totally covers the holes (see pic of 
the back of the rack below).

Thanks in advance for any advice.
Dan


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Re: [RBW] PSA: Do NOT buy a Rivendell bicycle with a Lift-a-tube

[Allingham II, Thomas J. (Retired Partner)]

BTW, Bill, what's your opinion of the lift-a-tube?

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Sorry for the provocative title, it's sarcastic.  Here's the punchline content:

If you carry bikes up and down stairs frequently, you might be tempted to buy 
one of the Rosco Bubbe frames with a Lift-a-tube.  I was tempted like you, and 
I bought one.  I've commuted with it for a couple weeks, and now I can report 
that you should not buy one.because it will make you hate how lame and 
stupid all your other bikes are when it comes to portaging up and down stairs.

I've had to use a different bike as my BART bike the last two days, and 
carrying it up and down BART stairs in the past was "fine".  It was "not a big 
problem".  Now that I'm conditioned to the excellence of the lift-a-tube, 
carrying a normal bike up the stairs is like an inhuman torture device.  I'm 
telling you, if you think it's fine carrying your bike up stairs or down 
stairs, then DO NOT try a lift-a-tube bike, because it will ruin you.  Remain 
in the bliss of your ignorance.

Seriously though, using a different bike made it sink in just how awesome the 
lift-a-tube is.  If you never carry a bike up or down stairs, you don't need a 
lift-a-tube.  If the bike you carry up and down stairs is stripped down, light 
weight and uncluttered so it's easy to shoulder, then you probably don't need a 
lift-a-tube.  The liftatube is fabulous for everybody else, and I'm now in a 
state where I probably won't use most of my other bikes as BART bikes, because 
I'm spoiled by the lift-a-tube.  If you have a bunch of bikes and don't want to 
be similarly spoiled, don't try a lift-a-tube bike.

You're welcome

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Re: [RBW] Re: Brass Bells

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Yup yup

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On Jan 16, 2017, at 4:51 PM, Anton Tutter 
> wrote:

Eh, I kind of like the dulled look of patinated brass.

--Anton


On Monday, January 16, 2017 at 12:22:24 PM UTC-5, George Schick wrote:
Thanks for all the replies.  I did a bit of snooping around on the Web myself 
and came across a product made by Everbrite called ProtectaClear that looks to 
be exactly what y'all described only with a higher silicon oxide content just 
as Bill says.  What's kinda interesting is that I have 2 or 3 of these bells on 
different bikes and only this one seems to be unprotected; the others 
definitely have been coated with a sealer.  Begs the question, why would they 
offer a brass product like these bells that is obviously going to get exposed 
to all kinds of variable environmental conditions without sealing it?

BTW, Bill, I thought about possible "beausage" repercussions before I posted 
this issue, but as you say, I felt it was beyond regular wear and tear and 
belonged in the unkempt category.  Others may have different views...


On Monday, January 16, 2017 at 12:47:26 AM UTC-6, Bill in Roswell GA wrote:
I would think any type of modern auto paint protector sealant such as made by 
3M, Meguiars, Mothers, Turtlewax, Liquid Glass, etc., would work. And you can 
use it on your bike frame as well as the car. There are boat versions marketed 
but it's really all the same stuff. Such sealants typically last 8-12 months, 
whereas old school carnuba wax last about 3 months.

The nice thing about modern sealants is you can just spray it on, let it dry 
and wipe off any excess "haze" that may be left after it dries. Silicone 
dioxide is the ingredient used in such products. It protects hard surfaces, 
whether paint, chrome or brushed metal finish, raw or anodized. The more 
expensive sealants have more SiO2 per ounce than the cheaper ones and thus last 
longer. Treat your bell every few months and it should keep a nice appearance. 
And while you're at it, just do the whole bike. Sealant is particularly awesome 
on wheels to help protect from road grime (I rub it on with cloth to keep it 
off of the brake track and then hit up the track with a stone or 3M pad just to 
be sure it's clean).

I have 3 relatives who enter their cars in concours events and that's the stuff 
they use (weekend driver cars, not garage queens). It works great on my bike's 
OEM paint (none are powder coated but SiO2 works great on that, too) and my 
boat's gel coat.

Hopefully that helps and doesn't cause any controversy like chain lube does!

Cheers,
Bill in Roswell, GA





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Re: [RBW] Re: Best of 2016

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I love this exercise every year, seeing what everybody has done over the course 
of the year.  Also fun to look at my own previous "year in pics" albums ("13 
for '13", "14 for '14", and so forth).

Continuing that protocol, here are my "16 for '16" pics.  A week-long C/GAP 
tour, many shorter rides, some new builds, a couple of grandsons and one pic of 
my girls. A great year!

https://flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/sets/72157677304007820

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Looking through my pictures I didn't have too many of this year!
Here  are a few. A few fun rides with sons and 
friends, though most of my miles are going from A to B alone, and quite 
unremarkable!

On Sunday, January 1, 2017 at 7:40:53 PM UTC-6, stonehog wrote:
It feels like the time of year to post your "best of 2016" - are ya with me??  
OK - I'll start it off with the obligatory blog post (dwindling these days):  
https://stonehog.com/2016/12/31/2016-redux

And Flickr album: https://flic.kr/s/aHskRBkZQ9

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Re: [RBW] Re: Spyshots of my custom mixte - happy days

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OMG.  THAT IS A GORGEOUS COLOR, GORGEOUS BIKE.

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wow! Happy New Year, Ryan.
Tailwinds, shoji



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Mark at Rivendell was kind enough to shoot a few pics of my custom in progress. 
Inside shots but the color looks  like it turned out as I hoped

Hopefully you can view these.

Happy new year , everyone !

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Re: [RBW] Gilles Berthoud SEAT bag for sale

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On Dec 22, 2016, at 2:20 PM, Elton Pope-Lance 
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Gilles Berthoud #904 seat bag and QR mount.
7 Liter capacity
New, never mounted.
>$325 new
$250 shipped ConUS

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Re: [RBW] Clementine

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It's the lure of easy money
It's got a very strong appeal...

RIP, Mr Frey

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Re: [RBW] Clementine

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Natty Dread!

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> Rasta bar tape very natty! Approve :)
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Re: [RBW] Clementine

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Kickstarter filing to come.  

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> It's fantastic so far, but still unfinished: Green front hub and seatpost; 
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Re: [RBW] Clementine

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Paul will custom anodize for a fairly modest upcharge. I tried to combine some 
parts for multiple builds in each color lot.

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Wow!  This's inspiring.

Did you have to custom paint any of those components?  Or do they come in 
various color choices?!!

On Tuesday, 13 December 2016 11:15:16 UTC-8, Chris Birkenmaier wrote:
Tom my mailing address is West Chester but I'm in the Chadds Ford area.  If you 
know where Andy Wyeth's farm is, I'm less than a mile up the road.

On Tuesday, December 13, 2016 at 12:23:47 PM UTC-5, Pudge wrote:
Chris:  Southern Chester County?  Where, exactly?  Might be fun to get together 
for a ride.  Tom

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On Dec 13, 2016, at 12:04 PM, Chris Birkenmaier  wrote:

I salute you!  You can bling out my next bike anytime!  Actually I do think you 
are located near me.  I'm in southern Chester County.

On Tuesday, December 13, 2016 at 11:54:20 AM UTC-5, Ryan Fleming wrote:
Good one 

On Tuesday, December 13, 2016 at 10:26:37 AM UTC-6, Howard Hatten wrote:
Love the multi colored Clem.
Last time I saw that many colors in one place I think I ate something illegal 
in the 60's

Howard
Livonia Mi

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Re: [RBW] Clementine

[Allingham II, Thomas J. (Retired Partner)]

Chris:  Southern Chester County?  Where, exactly?  Might be fun to get together 
for a ride.  Tom

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On Dec 13, 2016, at 12:04 PM, Chris Birkenmaier 
> wrote:

I salute you!  You can bling out my next bike anytime!  Actually I do think you 
are located near me.  I'm in southern Chester County.

On Tuesday, December 13, 2016 at 11:54:20 AM UTC-5, Ryan Fleming wrote:
Good one 

On Tuesday, December 13, 2016 at 10:26:37 AM UTC-6, Howard Hatten wrote:
Love the multi colored Clem.
Last time I saw that many colors in one place I think I ate something illegal 
in the 60's

Howard
Livonia Mi

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Re: [RBW] Clementine

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The idea for this whole silly project was provoked by the red chainring, which 
Was the only single-ring crank I had available.  So to save dough, I didn't 
look for a green ring.  (Not that this project can fairly be characterized as 
"budget".)

The navigation lights thing was most definitely a happy accident.  Actually, 
the whole thing brings a smile every time I see it!

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>
>
>> On 12/13/2016 10:13 AM, Allingham II, Thomas J. (Retired Partner) wrote:
>> I tried to post some pics of this morning's spin on my newly-built 
>> Clementine, but for some reason it doesn't seem to have worked. So (with 
>> apologies for duplication if the other effort eventually goes through), here 
>> are a few pics:
>>
>> https://flic.kr/p/NWEK3P
>
> Following the navigation right-of-way lights protocol?  Or was that a happy 
> accident? ;-) (What's the matter, couldn't you find a green chain ring?)
>
>
>>
>> https://flic.kr/p/QbbXhp
>>
>> https://flic.kr/p/PZYsbi
>>
>> https://flic.kr/p/Q7WiDq
>>
>> And more detailed pics in the album, here:
>>
>> https://flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/sets/72157667368213545
>>
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[RBW] Clementine

[Allingham II, Thomas J. (Retired Partner)]

I tried to post some pics of this morning's spin on my newly-built Clementine, 
but for some reason it doesn't seem to have worked. So (with apologies for 
duplication if the other effort eventually goes through), here are a few pics:

https://flic.kr/p/NWEK3P

https://flic.kr/p/QbbXhp

https://flic.kr/p/PZYsbi

https://flic.kr/p/Q7WiDq

And more detailed pics in the album, here:

https://flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/sets/72157667368213545

Tom, shivering in Delaware



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RE: [RBW] News around today's RBWHQ visit

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100% thumbs up on the Fat-Lantis!

From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Lindsay
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2016 2:20 PM
To: RBW Owners Bunch
Subject: [RBW] News around today's RBWHQ visit

Today I visited RBW headquarters to order a frameset.  This year I sold two 
700c Rivendells (a 58cm Atlantis and a 55cm Appaloosa) in order to help pay for 
two 650B Rivendells.  I mocked up both of the 650B candidates to my saddle 
height (75.5cm) and took the canonical garage door photo of each:


[https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-svm1qF4DuEc/WEHGmvGQ1HI/DUg/qchnq4_n4EgeYWJMr35PdogZ7cYFBc7ugCLcB/s320/IMG_1441.JPG]

56cm 650B Atlantis



[https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-QNJ5-rus48M/WEHGv8xse1I/DUk/ulM0IO4ZRXUZB7A_kqWJa9HP0rxbZEuhACLcB/s320/IMG_1440.JPG]

53cm 650B Hunqapillar



Notably the Atlantis was wearing 27.5 x ~2.2" knobbies, which made it look 
super butch.  That's the main reason I'm sharing the photo(s) because that 2017 
Fat-Lantis is a bit of a novelty.  The 53cm Hunqapillar is a little bit of a 
downsize for me, but I think that would be my son's go-to bike when we do S24Os 
together, and he's an inch or two shorter than me and not likely to get to 
5'-10".



So, I went ahead and ordered the Atlantis, which is exciting.  I went with a 
small upcharge to order a non-standard but Waterford stock color.  I will keep 
it a secret, but I promise it is not a unique Atlantis color.  One of you has 
an Atlantis that I am blatantly copying, because it looks so darn good.



I was expecting a not-too-long turnaround, but Will explained to me that 
everybody from Waterford takes massive time off for deer-hunting season!  That 
cracked me up.  Anyway, now is just about the worst time for frame turnaround 
from those good Wisconsinites.  No harm done to me, as I've got plenty of other 
bikes to tide me over, but be warned if you are going to order something, that 
you will be well into Spring before you get it.



Bill Lindsay

El Cerrito, CA



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Re: [RBW] Re: RBW Website - Riv Staff bike builds

[Allingham II, Thomas J. (Retired Partner)]

Seems entirely in keeping with the overall Riv philosophy of calling things 
what they are.

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I really preferred the old site over the new one.

Also, I don't think a company should refer to a segment of their products as 
"cheaper". I'm not in marketing but I bet that's like in Marketing 101

"Imported Framesets - $850-1300

Made & painted in bunches, seasonally in-stock, cheaper"

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Re: [RBW] Winter's coming, book recommendation

[Allingham II, Thomas J. (Retired Partner)]

Thanks, Erl. Let me know how you like it.

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> Tom,
> Congratulations!  It is in my Amazon shopping cart.  I look forward to 
> reading it.
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[RBW] Winter's coming, book recommendation

[Allingham II, Thomas J. (Retired Partner)]

Folks:

Over the years (usually as we approach, or loll around in, the winter 
doldrums), listmembers have posted requests for reading recommendations, and 
I've gotten a number of great suggestions from those threads.  I want to return 
the favor.

Yesterday was the publication date of my son Sam's debut short story 
collection, The Great American Songbook.  (Riv content:  Sam has logged many 
thousands of miles on his much-loved Quickbeam!)  For those of you who enjoy 
short stories, this is a wonderful collection - and you don't have to trust my 
(completely unbiased!) opinion.  Multiple enthusiastic reviews from well-known 
authors, publishers and book critics - including a finalist for the National 
Book Award - can be found at this link:  
http://astrangeobject.bigcartel.com/product/the-great-american-songbook , where 
you can buy the book if you're interested.  (It's also available on Amazon, if 
you're more of an Amazon Prime person.)  The stories are both hilarious and 
heartbreaking (sometimes at the same time!), and beautifully written.  I really 
can't recommend the book highly enough.

We return you now to our regularly scheduled programming

Tom





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RE: [RBW] clem smith L and ibert babyseat

[Allingham II, Thomas J. (Retired Partner)]

Sky:

I think it's very likely you could make one 52cm Clem "L" (or Clementine – I 
like the old name) work for both of you.

I have a 59cm Clementine (I like the old name), which fits my 87cm PBH 
perfectly – sounds like you and I are very similarly sized.  I generally ride 
saddle heights about 78cm.  I've built up three different 52cm Clementines (one 
for my youngest son's g/f, two for charity auctions), and I was able to ride 
all three of those bikes quite comfortably, though there was a lot of seat post 
showing.  If I recall rightly, listmember Tony DeFilippo (who I think might be 
a little taller than I am) built up a 52cm Clementine for his wife, and was 
also able to ride it comfortably – Tony can confirm.  As for whether the reach 
would be too far for your wife, I'd check with Riv, but I don't think there's 
anything in the geometry of the Clementine that would make the reach 
incompatible with Riv's PBH range at the low end of that range.  FWIW, if she 
had any reach issues, you could use a short stem with Bosco bars to solve the 
issue.  I would note that all three of the Clementines that I've built had 
Boscos, and that cockpit didn't prevent me from riding those bikes comfortably 
– the reach was OK for me.

I don't know if pics will help you think about the issue, but here are albums 
of the three 52cm Clementines I've built.

https://flic.kr/s/aHskE6n5w6

https://flic.kr/s/aHskBMHxNf

https://flic.kr/s/aHskuxGW4P

Tom Allingham
Wilmington, DE


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To: RBW Owners Bunch
Subject: [RBW] clem smith L and ibert babyseat

Hi all,

I bought an ibert seat for baby bike rides over short distances. I mounted it 
on my romulus and found I didn't have enough space left over on the top tube to 
dismount safely.  I think I might have enough room on my bombadil, but the 
standover leaves nothing to the imagination and I worry about being unstable on 
the bike while getting the baby on and off.  So last night I was thinking about 
possibly buying a clem smith L model as a baby transport bike.

Ideally, I'd really like it if the one bike could work for both my wife and I 
for going for rides with the baby.  My saddle height is 78cm; my wife's is 
66cm.  So by the clem smith brochure, the 52cm clem smith L should be able to 
accommodate both those saddle heights. Although I do worry about the reach to 
the bars - whether it'll be too far for my wife, whether it'll be too short for 
me.So I'm hoping the group wisdom can offer some advice.

Has anyone tried an ibert front child seat on a clem smith L bike?  Good times?
And has anyone with a 66cm or 78cm saddle height tried riding the 52cm clem 
smith L? how was the fit?  I'd really like it if I can just adjust saddle 
height between riders and have it fit both of us. And if it'll be a poor fit, 
better a poor fit for me than my wife.

Thanks for your conveyed opinions, thoughts, and experiences.

Sky in new west
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RE: [RBW] FS: 55cm Butternut Appaloosa

[Allingham II, Thomas J. (Retired Partner)]

Thank goodness.

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Subject: [RBW] FS: 55cm Butternut Appaloosa

Sale pending.

BL

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 55cm Butternut Appaloosa

[Allingham II, Thomas J. (Retired Partner)]

Couldn't that potential disappointment be easily remedied by wrapping and 
twining and shellacking the chainstay now (assuming it matters to a buyer)?

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On Nov 12, 2016, at 2:03 PM, Bill Lindsay 
> wrote:

My complete Appaloosa did not come with a chainstay protector of any kind.  I 
expected a long chainstay bike like this would be very prone to chainslap, 
unless you run a clutch rear der.  So, I figured I would get around to wrapping 
a cloth handlebar tape chainstay wrap, but I did not get around to it.  So, 
there's a fair bit of chainslap chipping.  If you really want a brand new 55cm 
Appaloosa, and want to keep it pristine, then this is the area of the frame 
that will bum you out the most.

Bill

On Saturday, November 12, 2016 at 8:20:33 AM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:
I'd like to clarify something.  I am not selling a complete bike.  See this 
list and this price:

frame-fork-headset
stock seatpost and saddle
stock wheelset, tires and tubes (no cassette)
SKS P65 fenders
stock choco-moose handlebars
stock kickstand

$1300 shipped

That's everything you would get.  See things that are not on that list?  You 
get nothing that is not on this list.

No crankset or bb
no pedals
no chain or derailers
no brakes brakelevers or shifters


On Friday, November 11, 2016 at 12:32:50 PM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:
Are you bummed that you can't buy a 55cm Appaloosa?  Are you double bummed that 
the Butternut color of 55cm Appaloosa sold out in the pre-sale, and never gave 
you a chance at one?

I love mine, but I've fallen for the 650B Hunqapillar.  If you want to buy my 
Appaloosa, I promise I will turn around your money and buy a MUSA Hunqapillar.

I'm offering the following:

frame-fork-headset
stock seatpost and saddle
stock wheelset, tires and tubes (no cassette)
SKS P65 fenders
stock choco-moose handlebars
stock kickstand

$1300 shipped

Here's a photo of the complete bike:  
https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/29852875792

I talked to Grant about it and he said he's not mad if I sell the Appaloosa 
that I just recently bought.  He gets it that I love 650B.

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

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Re: [RBW] Good news, bad news: Rejoining the peloton

[Allingham II, Thomas J. (Retired Partner)]

A.  Some welcome good news!  Glad to have you back, in whatever amount 
suits you, Patrick.

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> Hey everybodyhhh! We have to stop talking about Patrick now, he's 
> back..
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> Good to have you back, brother!
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> Peace,
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Re: [RBW] FS: 55cm Butternut Appaloosa

[Allingham II, Thomas J. (Retired Partner)]

Seriously?  That's a sweet bargain!

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On Nov 11, 2016, at 2:32 PM, Bill Lindsay 
> wrote:

Are you bummed that you can't buy a 55cm Appaloosa?  Are you double bummed that 
the Butternut color of 55cm Appaloosa sold out in the pre-sale, and never gave 
you a chance at one?

I love mine, but I've fallen for the 650B Hunqapillar.  If you want to buy my 
Appaloosa, I promise I will turn around your money and buy a MUSA Hunqapillar.

I'm offering the following:

frame-fork-headset
stock seatpost and saddle
stock wheelset, tires and tubes (no cassette)
SKS P65 fenders
stock choco-moose handlebars
stock kickstand

$1300 shipped

Here's a photo of the complete bike:  
https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/29852875792

I talked to Grant about it and he said he's not mad if I sell the Appaloosa 
that I just recently bought.  He gets it that I love 650B.

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

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Re: [RBW] WTB/WTT Dia-Compe 980 or 982 brakes

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I think I have a set of these you can have, but won't be home to check till 
Monday. If you haven't found a set before then, ping me

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On Nov 11, 2016, at 9:20 AM, R. Alexis 
> wrote:

Hi RBW Members,

I am looking for some Dia-Compe 980 cantilever brakes to go on the front of my 
1994 Bridgestone MB-1 retro build. I was using a set of one of the Dia-Compe 
980 brakes that originally came on my 1986 Mongoose ATB along with other parts 
that I still had from that bike when I warrantied the frame, but moved the set 
to my 1986 Schwinn Voyageur touring bike when I revised the build on it. I put 
a set of Dia-Compe 987 brakes on there to replace it, but would really like to 
get some 980s to better fit the look and style of this bike build.

Willing to go with the Dia-Compe 982 on the build, if that is what I can find. 
Those look pretty nice in comparison to the 980. I have a one wheels worth of 
Dia-Compe 960 brakes that I can trade. Was going to use it on the rear of the 
Schwinn Voyageur and move that 980 to the front of the Bridgestone MB-1, but 
decided that I prefer to leave those on there. I also would be willing to trade 
a bikes worth set of Dia-Compe 984 brakes for a complete bikes worth set of 980 
or 982 brakes. I also have some Dia-Compe 986 and 987 brakes that I could 
trade. Please contact me directly on this issue.

Thanks,

Reginald Alexis

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Re: [RBW] Fenders for 700c Hunqapillar

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On my Atlantis, I use the 60mm Berthouds over Schwalbe Marathon Supremes 
nominal 50mm that measure pretty true.  I think there's adequate clearance 
(especially because the fender profile is pretty flat -- that is, the cross 
section arc is pretty flat), but others on the list with whom I've ridden and 
whose judgment I respect are more skeptical (Minh from DC, for one). But I and 
others ridden that bike a lot on roads and trails and have never had an issue 
with that fender/tire combo.  There are pics on my Flickrstream that give some 
indication of the clearance, in this album:  
https://flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/sets/72157624427413755

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On Nov 10, 2016, at 3:44 PM, Reed Kennedy 
> wrote:

The widest fenders I'm aware of are these 60mm from Berthoud:
http://store.biketouringnews.com/gilles-berthoud-stainless-fenders-700c-x-60mm/
And these 63mm from VO:
http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/accessories/fenders/700c/vo-fluted-63mm-fenders-700c.html

Both listings say they should work with 50mm tires.

I've not used either of these specific fenders, but I have installed numerous 
pairs of VO's other fenders and have been happy with them.

That said, if I were putting them on a bike that didn't have to go on a roof 
rack I'd probably go with the Berthouds. They look a bit longer, and people 
speak highly of the flattened stays.

Would love to hear how they work out if you try 'em! My 700c Hunq is currently 
my only fenderless bike...


Best,
Reed

On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 1:00 PM, adam leibow 
> wrote:
Hello,
I am going on LA>SF tour this January, and I want to explore my fender options 
before it's too late. I will be using 50mm tires and it seems like one rule of 
thumb people use is to use a fender that's 10mm wider than the tire size. So, 
in my case, I want a 60mm wide fender according to this rule. What options are 
available for me? I don't want to use the sks/esge options. I want something 
nicer, along the lines of Honjo and Berthoud.

700x50 seems the widest Berthoud offering, and the wider Honjo's seem 650b 
specific... Anybody have any rec's??? thanks!


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Re: [RBW] An idea I was too lazy to execute is now a kickstarter

[Allingham II, Thomas J. (Retired Partner)]

This is a cool and useful product idea and appears to be a well thought out 
project.

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I mentioned here years ago that I wanted to develop a magnetic dynamo wire 
connector.  Something that would pop apart and would self-plug magnetically 
like a Mac power cord.  I never spent any actual work on it, but somebody has a 
kickstarter doing it.  I just pledged to get a couple.

Dyna-snap

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

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Re: [RBW] Mudflap quandry

[Allingham II, Thomas J. (Retired Partner)]

Ryan:

I wasn't being sensitive to perceived criticism -- some of my bikes  a bit 
"twee", as I understood the term when I looked it up (having seen it in a post 
from Patrick Moore --sorry for the misattribution).

As for the Berthoud flaps, I have a set on my Atlantis, and they are 
functionally superb and attractive, too. The key is to make the leather stiff 
enough to stay off the wheel and stop the spray, but flexy enough to deal with 
curbs.  The Berthouds on my Atlantis walk that line very effectively.

Tom

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On Nov 10, 2016, at 5:18 PM, Ryan Fleming 
> wrote:

well my  post(using twee) actually and I've seen them on your bikes and they 
look fine. I do like the berthoud mudflaps a lot. I'm just getting the stock 
mudflaps for the SKS cream longboards on my mixte though. My partner made me 
some homemade jobs on my X0-1 from, I think, deerhide, and these work OK but 
the leather's really supple so sometimes it rubs against the rear tire which 
was annoying until I figured out that that was the cause of rubbing noises from 
my rear wheel.

On Thursday, November 10, 2016 at 11:16:19 AM UTC-6, Pudge wrote:
PATRICK, I have these on several bikes, and they work very well -- stiff enough 
to do their job, but flexible enough to negotiate curbs, etc.  They hold up 
well in use. They look "used" almost right away, but at least in my experience 
never look trashed out. And the reflective material piece is VERY reflective. I 
like 'em. (But you've seen my bikes, which are doubtless on the "twee" (to use 
your word) side.

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On Nov 9, 2016, at 6:59 PM, Patrick Moore  
wrote:

I see that Riv has one of those fancy, left-coast-type gussied up, pretty 
mudflaps made from effete cotton and leather -- probably voted for Hillary -- 
for $18. Good shape, though (mudflap, not Hillary). OTOH, Riv has the Longboard 
rubber mudflap in decent, middle-American black rubber, for $8.

I'm tempted to buy the Sackville one just 'cause it's so purty, but damned if 
I'm not afraid of being teased for it.

Seriously, how does one of these look after 100 miles of splash, mud, and 
slush? Like a tux worn too long away from the dry cleaner?

The Longboard one is a guaranteed performer, I'm sure, but I think that the 
Sackville one actually has a better shape, as far as I can tell -- the photos 
of the LB one aren't as detailed as I'd like to see.

Which one? This is for the '03's Berthoud fenders. The '03 is nice looking, but 
nothing on it chosen merely for pretty.

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Re: [RBW] Mudflap quandry

[Allingham II, Thomas J. (Retired Partner)]

PATRICK, I have these on several bikes, and they work very well -- stiff enough 
to do their job, but flexible enough to negotiate curbs, etc.  They hold up 
well in use. They look "used" almost right away, but at least in my experience 
never look trashed out. And the reflective material piece is VERY reflective. I 
like 'em. (But you've seen my bikes, which are doubtless on the "twee" (to use 
your word) side.

Sent from my iPhone

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> wrote:

I see that Riv has one of those fancy, left-coast-type gussied up, pretty 
mudflaps made from effete cotton and leather -- probably voted for Hillary -- 
for $18. Good shape, though (mudflap, not Hillary). OTOH, Riv has the Longboard 
rubber mudflap in decent, middle-American black rubber, for $8.

I'm tempted to buy the Sackville one just 'cause it's so purty, but damned if 
I'm not afraid of being teased for it.

Seriously, how does one of these look after 100 miles of splash, mud, and 
slush? Like a tux worn too long away from the dry cleaner?

The Longboard one is a guaranteed performer, I'm sure, but I think that the 
Sackville one actually has a better shape, as far as I can tell -- the photos 
of the LB one aren't as detailed as I'd like to see.

Which one? This is for the '03's Berthoud fenders. The '03 is nice looking, but 
nothing on it chosen merely for pretty.

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RE: [RBW] Schwalbe Smart Sam 29 x 2.1 on Clem Smith / Clementine 59 cm

[Allingham II, Thomas J. (Retired Partner)]

Just saw this, so you may long ago have gotten an answer, but… I am in the 
process of building up a Clementine 59 with Schwalbe Big Ones (29 X 2.35), and 
there is more than ample room.  So I'm sure the somewhat smaller Smart Sams 
would fit easily.

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Subject: [RBW] Schwalbe Smart Sam 29 x 2.1 on Clem Smith / Clementine 59 cm

Has anyone tried this combination? Is there adequate clearance fore and aft?

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Re: [RBW] Locks

[Allingham II, Thomas J. (Retired Partner)]

I really like the Abus lock you referenced. It has a sturdy but lightweight 
holster that mounts to water bottle cage braze-ons.  I put mine under the down 
tube on my Bombadil and Atlantis, and I don't even notice it's there until I 
need it.

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On Oct 21, 2016, at 9:08 PM, Surlyprof 
> wrote:

Since Leah brought up the issue of security here's a question that has been 
nagging at me.  Is there a decent lock that's smaller and lighter than a 
standard Ulock and would fit easily into a Keven's bag?  For weekday commuting 
the Hillborne is loaded down with heavy 36hole A719 wheels, a Wald basket, 
Shopsack, med saddlesack, sturdy Ulock, computer bag, etc.  On the weekends and 
summers, I like to lighten things up.  I switch out the wheels for 32 hole 
Synergys with Barlow Pass ELs, lose the Wald and Shopsack, swap the med 
saddlesack for a Keven's bag and head out for fun, light rides without the 
baggage of my daily commute.  However, in case I need to stop anywhere, I still 
strap the heavy Ulock on the rear rack.  Does anyone have a suggestion for 
smaller, lightweight lock solutions for quick stops?  Riv is carrying a lock I 
may purchase that is about 1/2 the weight of my Ulock but they say it is a 
tight fit in a Keven's bag (http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/lk10.htm).  
Another alternative is this Abus folding lock but, for the price, it doesn't 
seem to buy me much weight loss from my Kryptonite Evolution 
(https://www.abus.com/eng/Mobile-Security/Bike-Safety-and-Security/Locks/Folding-locks/Bordo-GRANIT-X-Plus-6500).

Any suggestions?
John "who's still nervous when he only straps his helmet to the front wheel and 
downtube while getting a coffee"

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RE: [RBW] Taking Risks

[Allingham II, Thomas J. (Retired Partner)]

Why not just take the front wheel or the saddle or both with you?

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Subject: Re: [RBW] Taking Risks

What I generally do anytime that I am leaving the bike without a lock (which I 
rarely carry) is just prevent it from being ridden off.   I'll do some 
combination of loosening all the QR levers, intentionally overshift to drop the 
chain off the big ring and generally wrap a toe strap around a crank arm or 
stays/spokes.Someone can still grab the bike and toss it in the truck, but 
most bike thefts are ride-off crimes of opportunity.If they grab it from 
the rack and the front wheel falls off or they can't pedal away, hopefully 
they'll grab something else.
People don't steal your bike because its anything special, people steal bikes 
because they are easy to take.
Scott

On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 11:00 AM, LeahFoy 
> wrote:
I got to school and realized I don't have my bike lock. I'm here only for an 
hour or two to volunteer in my son's 2nd grade class. I have no choice but to 
leave The Best Bike in the World unlocked in the rack in front of the school 
office. TBBITW is finally set up exactly the way I've always dreamed - Big 
Nitto Front Rack, Big Nitto Back Rack, baskets and bags galore, and all the 
other accoutrements. It would be a crying shame to lose it now. All I can think 
about is this week's post from The Bike Snob about his stolen bike - which he 
left at HIS son's school!

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RE: [RBW] Re: HELP!

[Allingham II, Thomas J. (Retired Partner)]

Back from trip, without incident, thanks to the group and Peter.  Thanks to 
all, and especially the wise man in Hillsborough, New Hampshire.  I'll try to 
get a ride report out soon.

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Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: HELP!

Tom did call. It wasn't the axle that broke, it was the skewer. He's probably 
heading for a bike shop now to buy a new one. Hope he has great weather for the 
trip.

On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 11:53 AM, Jim M. 
> wrote:
Maybe call Peter White? If anyone would know and could respond in an emergency, 
I'd think it would be Peter. Good luck!


On Tuesday, October 11, 2016 at 8:39:42 AM UTC-7, Pudge wrote:
Folks:

A friend and I are in Pittsburgh to start a ride to D.C. on the GAP/C We 
just snapped the axle on a SON 28 dynamo hub. Does anyone have any ideas how we 
might cobble together a replacement?  Would a standard Q/R skewer work?  Any 
ideas would be welcome.

Tom

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Re: [RBW] Re: SUPERNOVA DYNO LIGHTS

[Allingham II, Thomas J. (Retired Partner)]

Great mod.  Great rack, too -- does anyone know what it is?

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On Oct 12, 2016, at 4:51 PM, Patrick Moore 
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That's a wonderfull rear rack.

On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 2:03 PM, Jeremy Till 
> wrote:
Here's a neat mod of a Honjo fender to accept the Supernova rack mount light, 
by Steve Rex:

https://flic.kr/p/aLoBf6

On Sunday, October 9, 2016 at 3:06:40 PM UTC-7, Ginz wrote:
I like everything about mine except there is no fender mounted taillight 
available.

That means you must use a rack mount or seatpost mount.

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Re: [RBW] S Protovelo Build

[Allingham II, Thomas J. (Retired Partner)]

Awesome.

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On Oct 17, 2016, at 3:33 PM, S. Greco 
> wrote:

This has been my favorite-of-all-time bike for the last 5+ years or so.
It was originally clear powdercoat direct from Rivendell with the older 
Protovelo decals.
Bilenky did the repaint, added the couplers, paul racer braze-ons, modded the 
stem, and added campy style cable guides to the bottom bracket.
The rack, fenders, and hub shells were powdercoated locally.
I bought this as a frame and fork and had been johnny cashing it one piece at a 
time for quite a while. I think it is currently at peak-bling.
I'm about to put drops back on it so I figured I'd snap some pictures.
The color is light minty green in the daytime and looks almost glow-in-the-dark 
at night.

This bike has been ridden hard since I got it - daily commuter, tours, camping, 
etc. - its never let me down.
My previous bike was a Schwinn Suburban so this was a bit of an upgrade. No 
speedometer though :)

[https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-A6ZUDraBg74/WAUlXRPRKUI/AMI/1uBYoL9fBaoy352FuVJAy5KIw1Z4hsWuACLcB/s400/DSCF8701.jpg]
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Re: [RBW] Re: Quickbeam Sighting

[Allingham II, Thomas J. (Retired Partner)]

No, it's a Nitto Camper Lowrider, but with the lowrider attachments for 
panniers removed

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On Oct 16, 2016, at 11:19 AM, RichS 
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Eric, it's always a highlight to encounter a Riv in the wild. I've even chased 
down a few!

Tom, that's a hefty looking saddlebag on your son's sweet looking QB. Is it 
sitting on a VO rack? Presumably it handled the load okay?

Many thanks,
Richard

On Friday, October 14, 2016 at 11:09:12 PM UTC-4, Eric Karnes wrote:
Walked by this Quickbeam locked up near the U Penn campus this afternoon. My 
SimpleOne was locked up one block north on Market. Belong to anyone on here? 
It's the first Riv I've seen in Philly.

Eric



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