[RBW] Re: Ron's Ortho... stem question

[Chris K]

Thank you all for the pics and advice! Very helpful.

I'm putting these bars on a 1985 Trek 870. As Riv says on their cardboard 
geo charts "don't obsess", but geometrically this old frame is not terribly 
far off some Riv models, setting aside, of course, bb drop and stack (1985 
Trek 870: 21.8" frame, 71º hta, 71.5º sta, 58.0 tt, 48.5 cs, 5.0 drop, 52.7 
stack, 40.6 reach).

My current set-up is Choco bars and an 8cm Dirt Drop. The height feels 
fine, just slightly above saddle height, and the reach isn't bad either but 
could be ~1" longer. I'm fairly upright but can lean in and grip forward as 
needed. I just like the idea of more width and more flare.

Are these details helpful? I'm maybe leaning toward the 135mm Faceplater 
based on your replies, but that does seem long!
On Sunday, March 10, 2024 at 5:48:02 PM UTC-6 Dan wrote:

> [image: IMG_9267.jpeg]I’ve got these bars lined up for my Appaloosa 
> build. 
> My local bike shop had a NOS Velo Orange Grand Cru stem in 120mm that 
> looks pretty perfect. It’s 26.0, and having no rise should be slightly 
> longer in reality than its length number suggests. I’m hoping that the 
> wider clamp section will help it to grip the bars well too, despite the 
> single bolt. 
>
>
> On Monday 11 March 2024 at 03:33:24 UTC+10:30 Chris K wrote:
>
>> Hey all, I've got some Ortho Bars in my cart and looking for stem advice 
>> from those who use this bar. Obv there are multiple fit and frame factors 
>> that play into something like this, but curious what people are generally 
>> going with. Here are the options I'm deciding between:
>>
>> - Faceplater 110mm
>> - Faceplater 135mm
>> - Tallux 12cm
>>
>> Will the 110 Faceplater be too short?
>>
>

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[RBW] Ron's Ortho... stem question

[Chris K]

Hey all, I've got some Ortho Bars in my cart and looking for stem advice 
from those who use this bar. Obv there are multiple fit and frame factors 
that play into something like this, but curious what people are generally 
going with. Here are the options I'm deciding between:

- Faceplater 110mm
- Faceplater 135mm
- Tallux 12cm

Will the 110 Faceplater be too short?

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[RBW] Re: Has anyone else tried the new Riv seat?

[Chris K]

Chris - I wanna say my Ergon saddle is the SR Allroad Comp. Nice basic 
saddle.

On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 7:58:55 AM UTC-7 Steven Seelig wrote:

> I replaced a Brooks Flyer Curved on my Xtracycle now Bafang E-bike that is 
> about as upright as it gets.  Agree that at first I wasn't sure where this 
> part of my sit bone connected to that part of the saddle.  After a few more 
> rides, I simply forgot it was on the bike at all.  Given that with e-bikes 
> you are constantly shifting the assist and the 9 speed derailleur to hit 
> the perfect sweet spot, and I ride in City traffic, perhaps I was not as 
> in-tune as i would be on a quiet country road.  I prefer it to the Brooks 
> and don't miss the absence of the spring in the least.  
>
> My experience is likely comparing persimmons to cumquats for someone 
> riding unupright on an analog bike.
>
> On Tuesday, December 5, 2023 at 1:53:12 PM UTC-5 Tom Wyland wrote:
>
> I have it on my Platy currently. It replaced a Selle Anatomica H2 (at 
> least for the winter). The SA was a tad too narrow since I swapped to 
> slighly more upright bars. I haven't yet decided if the Riv saddle is too 
> wide (by 1-2cm).  I don't really care for the wide nose of the Riv saddle, 
> but I suppose I'll get used to it. I do like the flat shape and the amount 
> of padding (minimal). It's good for a more upright ride due to the width.  
> I may use it on my wife's bike to swap out the Bontrager commuter saddle 
> (wide).  When viewed from the side, the Bontrager commuter saddle has 
> shoulders that slope down where the Riv saddle is a flat profile. We both 
> prefer saddles that have a flat profile.  I've also ridden a VO wide 
> touring saddle and the Riv saddle is wider both in the nose and the rear.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Ron's Ortho vs. Nitto Albatross

[Chris K]

J, question about your mothbars - do you find yourself ever using other 
hand positions?

Intrigued by this bar but it looks like holding on anywhere but the ends 
would be awkward with such a wide bar.

On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 4:20:31 PM UTC-6 J wrote:

> I've always had problems with swept back bars, tried many over the years 
> from Riv, Velo O, Soma and the Albatross bar lasted the longest (6 months?) 
> on any bike but they were never really comfortable either. Everything 
> always felt too narrow for my shoulder width and gave me neck pain. I had 
> an opportunity to try the Tumbleweed Persuader bars on my hardtail, and 
> even though the back sweep threw the fit off it still got my gears turning 
> about wider swoopy bars. I widened some Albatross bars in a vice and really 
> felt like I was getting somewhere but started having saddle comfort issues 
> from riding upright again, an issue I've always had. Last year I got to try 
> Ron's Ortho bars on his Atlantis and they felt ridiculous in the moment, 
> but a day later I was still thinking about them. They'd been sold out for 
> so long I gave up and sourced some Magic Components Mothbars, and they've 
> been great! They turned an old aluminum mtb I wasn't riding into a bike I'd 
> happily take for a casual ride under 30 miles. 
>
> [image: 2xzuKpol[1].jpg]
> [image: JMRTj5Ql[1].jpg]
> [image: 6ySLdfsl[1].jpg]
> [image: TPvZVebl[1].jpg]
>
> On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 3:01:00 PM UTC-4 exliontamer wrote:
>
>> The Albatross is my favorite upright bar. I'm a fairly tall guy with 
>> fairly big hands and it really only has 1 1/2 hand positions for me but I 
>> love the feel of it. It's stiff enough for trails, upright enough to 
>> commute on, etc. They live on my older Toyo Atlantis. I do think the newer 
>> revisions like the Billie work a lot better for newer Rivs with longer top 
>> tubes. The Billie in particular is incredible. It would just have too much 
>> sweepback for me on the Atlantis without using a comically long stem and I 
>> would lose that forward bend position without having to lean a lot.
>> As to Ortho bars I don't know how well they work for smaller statured 
>> riders. I just put a pair on my Cheviot and they feel good out of the gate 
>> but for someone who doesn't have broad shoulders they could be overkill. 
>> On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 11:22:34 AM UTC-5 Glen wrote:
>>
>>> I'm a Billie Bar convert thanks to a kind list member and prefer them 
>>> for the extra hand position in front of the brake levers. Yes they could 
>>> look nicer with some extra rise, I'd prefer to look at a swooped up bar 
>>> than a tall stem but that doesn't impact my ride only my gaze when looking 
>>> at my bike instead of riding it. 
>>>
>>> Regarding the usability of the front hand position. I find myself there 
>>> when I need one of two things, getting out of the wind while fighting a 
>>> head wind or giving myself a good long stretch while still seated. With a 
>>> 13cm stem and Billies I can get a really good stretch without getting off 
>>> the bike. 
>>>
>>> FWIW my Billies are on a 64cm Atlantis
>>>
>>> On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 6:00:25 PM UTC+2 kirkebc...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I've been riding Billie bars on my 90s Novara mtb for about two years 
 and absolutely love them for all the reasons Eric mentioned. 
 I have two critiques: I wish they had a little bit more rise and they 
 just aren't quite as aesthetically appealing as Albatross bars, which just 
 seem to have a smoother overall curvature and shape. I'd love it if 
 someone 
 made a handlebar that was an Albatross with essentially the same width and 
 extended sweep back of the Billie bars. 
 On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 2:34:41 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi David — I've run Albatross, Billie and Ortho bars on different 
> bikes and have enjoyed them all. I think that the Billies are the sweet 
> spot, more sweep back and wider than the Albatross and not out there in 
> mutant territory like the Orthos. 
>
> All three bars have a similar shape but each has more sweep back than 
> the next and they get wider along the scale as well. I do like having 
> more 
> sweep back to accommodate levers, thumb-mounted shifters *and *to 
> have a nice long grip position in the hooks which I find good for 
> spirited 
> riding and climbing out of the saddle. 
>
> I don't think I'll run *Albatross* bars again, despite their beauty 
> and the classic shape. Just not enough room for levers, thumb shifters 
> and 
> the hooks grip position for me. I'd consider it with bar end shifters but 
> don't see myself running swept back bars and bar-ends together anytime 
> soon. The image below, from Rivendell Catalog No. 20, is how I fell in 
> love 
> with the Albatross bar. 
>
> [image: Screenshot 2023-08-25 at 3.12.33 PM.png]
>

Re: [RBW] Re: Has anyone else tried the new Riv seat?

[Chris K]

With several more rides and miles, I am liking it more and more. I like the 
ability to move around on it. No soreness. Currently set up in a fairly 
upright position, around 60º or so.

The horn is still a little wider than I would prefer, but I guess I'm 
getting used to it.

On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 12:49:07 PM UTC-7 cramer@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Didn't. Looks comfortable. If it was a little bit narrower I'd keep it.  
> NWT. Never mounted. 
>
> On Tue, Nov 14, 2023, 10:14 AM Jon Craig (Vendraen)  
> wrote:
>
>> Huh - I'm curious.  Did you ever have the black plastic one they included 
>> with the 2016 Sam completes?  If so, how does it compare?
>>
>> On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 4:41:29 PM UTC-5 Tom Goodmann wrote:
>>
>>> Riv shipment just delivered, including the new seat, which I mounted 
>>> right away for a neighborhood spin.  I find it immediately comfortable and 
>>> am eager to try it on a longer ride; first impressions are very positive.  
>>> Have any of you ridden it yet?
>>>
>>> Now for that new derailer/derailleur!
>>>
>>> Tom
>>> Miami, FL, where it is currently 82ºF
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Long chainstay content: Esker Hayduke LVS review at The Radavist

[Chris K]

Thanks for the link.

I saw a solo rider on a tandem the other night. Rally long 
chainstay on that ride, haha

On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 2:07:31 PM UTC-7 Jeremy Till wrote:

> I thought some on here might be interested in The Radavist's review of 
> the Esker Hayduke LVS 
> , 
> which they posted last week. The Hayduke LVS is a new titanium hardtail 
> mountain bike with long (600mm) chainstays. 
>
> I though it would be of interest for a number of reasons: 
>
>1. Another company (aside from Rivendell and Jeff Jones) thinks long 
>chainstays are a good enough idea to build a production model around them.
>2. The reviewer, John Watson (owner of the Radavist), gives Grant his 
>due credit for some of the thinking behind long chainstays, although it's 
>unclear to me if Esker themselves credit him for influencing the design. 
>3. The review is favorable (to put it mildly) and everything John says 
>about riding the Hayduke LVS reflects my feelings about riding my 59cm 
> Clem 
>H (with 56cm chainstays) off-road. I don't do it much anymore, but back 
>before I had a kid I did a fair amount of mountain biking on it and I 
> loved 
>the sure-footed feeling on climbs and the long wheelbase stability on the 
>descents, compared to other hardtails and full-suspension bikes I had 
>ridden with more "standard" MTB geometry (read: short chainstays). In 
> fact, 
>I would argue that the fact that the Esker is completely otherwise a 
>standard hardtail with suspension fork, disc brakes, and dropper seatpost 
>points to the fundamental soundness of the long-chainstay design, given 
>that it seems to work even if you don't buy into all of Grant's 
>particularities when it comes to component selection.  
>
> I hope others enjoy reading it too! The accompanying video of the 
> bikepacking trip they took is also fun.  
>
> -Jeremy Till
> Sacramento, CA
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Has anyone else tried the new Riv seat?

[Chris K]

Just put one on and I'm not sure I like it... yet. The material is comfy 
but I can't tell where I should be sitting on it, if that makes any sense. 
Coming from an Ergon saddle the nose of the Riv saddle is super wide. 
That's my least favorite part of the shape.

On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 10:13:58 AM UTC-7 modemm...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Huh - I'm curious.  Did you ever have the black plastic one they included 
> with the 2016 Sam completes?  If so, how does it compare?
>
> On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 4:41:29 PM UTC-5 Tom Goodmann wrote:
>
>> Riv shipment just delivered, including the new seat, which I mounted 
>> right away for a neighborhood spin.  I find it immediately comfortable and 
>> am eager to try it on a longer ride; first impressions are very positive.  
>> Have any of you ridden it yet?
>>
>> Now for that new derailer/derailleur!
>>
>> Tom
>> Miami, FL, where it is currently 82ºF
>>
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[RBW] Bridgestone CB-0 59mm for sale

[Chris K]

I wanted to see if anyone here is interested in this frame before I put it 
up on my local Craigslist (Denver).

The frame is the largest size, 59mm. Here's a link to the frame geometry. 


The components are a mish-mash, some are probably original but all need a 
little attention. The frame has some superficial rust spots. I rode it 
around town for a few years.

Not even sure what to ask for it. $100 + shipping? If you are looking for 
this specific frame let me know.

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Re: [RBW] Your preferred handlebar for longer rides

[Chris K]

Thanks for the replies. I guess the answer is... all of the above!

Billie, Choco, Albatross, Bosco, and some non-Riv options.
On Friday, October 21, 2022 at 11:39:57 AM UTC-6 David Pulsipher wrote:

> Albatross for everything. Have done four day tours with them, and short 
> rides. Everything in between. Super super comfortable.
>
> On Friday, October 21, 2022 at 10:23:36 AM UTC-6 larson@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> In the past I have ridden mostly with drop bars and still do. I have done 
>> some touring with Jones loop bars, and like them very much. This spring I 
>> built up my first Riv, an Appaloosa, and chose Billie bars. I have come to 
>> believe these bars are the most comfortable of any bar I have tried. I have 
>> ridden up to about 60 miles, usually mixed terrain, and have no soreness in 
>> hands, shoulders or neck. I think that the flex in these bars with a quill 
>> stem is one of the factors. I tried bullmoose bars and liked them for 
>> off-road riding, but much stiffer and overall less comfortable for me.
>>
>> On Friday, October 21, 2022 at 8:58:24 AM UTC-5 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I have been waiting what feels like forever for those Billie bars to 
>>> come back in stock Eric! I like the Better sco quite a bit, but the forward 
>>> position isn’t great for me. Still very comfortable overall though. Just 
>>> can’t wait to try the Billie! I have the Albatross on my Clem H and they 
>>> are great, slightly more width and room to move should make them even 
>>> better. 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 4:21:28 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I am happy to report that the 55 wide Bosco has proved itself for me. I 
>>>> routinely go 40’ish miles of mixed surface & as far as 60. I have felt as 
>>>> fresh at the end of these rides as at the start. I have no doubt that it 
>>>> (Bosco) is but one component of the Clem recipe; geometry, long & high 
>>>> stem, plush tires.., it seems a perfect blend.
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 20, 2022, at 3:57 PM, Brian Turner  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>>
>>>> The bars I've found most comfortable for longer days in the saddle 
>>>> (which I define as 40 to 65 miles) are as follows:
>>>> Salsa Cowchipper 48cm (flared gravel drop)
>>>> Velo Orange Grand Cru Randonneur bars 48cm (more traditional drop but 
>>>> with a bit of flare and a very slight rise / sweep in the ramps)
>>>> Jones Loop bars 66cm (adventure-style bar with a nice sweep)
>>>>
>>>> I've also used Tosco / Bosco style swept-back bars, but like you, 
>>>> around 30 miles and I start to wish I had a different position.
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Oct 20, 2022 at 3:25 PM Chris K  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Just a general question to the group: what handlebar do you like best 
>>>>> for rides longer than say, 15 miles?
>>>>>
>>>>> I assume many of you would say drops. So to refine the question a bit, 
>>>>> what non-drop bar do you like best for longer rides?
>>>>>
>>>>> Personally, almost all of my rides are in the 2-15 mile range. I run 
>>>>> bike errands and/or commute by bike in the city most days, accounting for 
>>>>> most of these miles. For this mileage and use, the Billie bar is a proven 
>>>>> winner for me. However, this summer I took a few 20-30 mile rides further 
>>>>> afield and felt myself wanting something different. Part of my problem is 
>>>>> I 
>>>>> only have one bike - an around-town errand bike that is being asked to go 
>>>>> on longer rides on both pavement and gravel, and hills start to come into 
>>>>> play. The other problem is I want to stick with MTB levers and shifters. 
>>>>> I 
>>>>> don't want to do a drop bar conversion. I did pick up both a Choco and a 
>>>>> Wavie to try out. No significant miles ridden with them yet though.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyway, I know it comes down to personal preference and many other 
>>>>> factors. Nonetheless, I do wonder which of the Rivendell handlebars 
>>>>> emerge 
>>>>> as favorites for longer riding?
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[RBW] Your preferred handlebar for longer rides

[Chris K]

Just a general question to the group: what handlebar do you like best for 
rides longer than say, 15 miles?

I assume many of you would say drops. So to refine the question a bit, what 
non-drop bar do you like best for longer rides?

Personally, almost all of my rides are in the 2-15 mile range. I run bike 
errands and/or commute by bike in the city most days, accounting for most 
of these miles. For this mileage and use, the Billie bar is a proven winner 
for me. However, this summer I took a few 20-30 mile rides further afield 
and felt myself wanting something different. Part of my problem is I only 
have one bike - an around-town errand bike that is being asked to go on 
longer rides on both pavement and gravel, and hills start to come into 
play. The other problem is I want to stick with MTB levers and shifters. I 
don't want to do a drop bar conversion. I did pick up both a Choco and a 
Wavie to try out. No significant miles ridden with them yet though.

Anyway, I know it comes down to personal preference and many other factors. 
Nonetheless, I do wonder which of the Rivendell handlebars emerge as 
favorites for longer riding?

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Choco bar, any condition

[Chris K]

Found one from someone here on the list. Thanks, all :)

On Thursday, October 6, 2022 at 2:29:00 PM UTC-6 Chris K wrote:

> If you have a Choco bar you would like to get ride of, let me know.
>
> They are in stock for $120, so I guess I'm looking for deal, less than 
> $100 shipped or some such.
>
> Thanks!
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[RBW] WTB: Choco bar, any condition

[Chris K]

If you have a Choco bar you would like to get ride of, let me know.

They are in stock for $120, so I guess I'm looking for deal, less than $100 
shipped or some such.

Thanks!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Best all-around useful saddlebag?

[Chris K]

Brilliant, just saw that same set-up on Bags X Bird's site. Thank you much.



On Friday, September 30, 2022 at 12:24:38 PM UTC-6 brok...@gmail.com wrote:

> https://www.instagram.com/p/CQJxhNoB3PL/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
>
>
> On Sep 30, 2022, at 2:16 PM, Chris K  wrote:
>
> Question - can you run a handlebar bag, or a saddlebag on the handlebars 
> bikepacking-style, if you have canti brakes? How does one negotiate the 
> cable?
>
>
>
> On Monday, August 29, 2022 at 3:00:00 PM UTC-6 Hetchins52 wrote:
>
>> They are now being sold by REI. So that would require a big ramp up. 
>> Here’s part of a page from my REI phone app:
>> [image: image0.jpeg]
>> David
>>
>> On Aug 29, 2022, at 1:13 PM, Brian Turner  wrote:
>>
>> Evan - they used to be, but Swift announced last year (I think) that 
>> they were needing to switch most of their production of their more popular 
>> bags overseas in order to keep up with demand. I believe they still make a 
>> few things and special projects in the PNW.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, August 29, 2022 at 3:46:03 PM UTC-4 Evan E. wrote:
>>
>>> Is the Swift Zeitgeist made in USA? It says here on this page, under the 
>>> "Specs" tab
>>>
>>> https://builtbyswift.com/shop/zeitgeist-pack/
>>>
>>> that it is "Made in Surabaya, Indonesia out of recycled materials." 
>>>
>>> ^ Not a criticism. Just a question.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Best all-around useful saddlebag?

[Chris K]

Question - can you run a handlebar bag, or a saddlebag on the handlebars 
bikepacking-style, if you have canti brakes? How does one negotiate the 
cable?

On Monday, August 29, 2022 at 3:00:00 PM UTC-6 Hetchins52 wrote:

> They are now being sold by REI. So that would require a big ramp up. 
> Here’s part of a page from my REI phone app:
> [image: image0.jpeg]
> David
>
> On Aug 29, 2022, at 1:13 PM, Brian Turner  wrote:
>
> Evan - they used to be, but Swift announced last year (I think) that they 
> were needing to switch most of their production of their more popular bags 
> overseas in order to keep up with demand. I believe they still make a few 
> things and special projects in the PNW.
>
>
>
> On Monday, August 29, 2022 at 3:46:03 PM UTC-4 Evan E. wrote:
>
>> Is the Swift Zeitgeist made in USA? It says here on this page, under the 
>> "Specs" tab
>>
>> https://builtbyswift.com/shop/zeitgeist-pack/
>>
>> that it is "Made in Surabaya, Indonesia out of recycled materials." 
>>
>> ^ Not a criticism. Just a question.
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[RBW] Re: Best all-around useful saddlebag?

[Chris K]

Good stuff. Thanks, all! I did in fact I did get a new bike and haven't yet 
bought a bag! It will complement the bag nicely :)





On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 9:52:04 AM UTC-6 alexander...@gmail.com 
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> Recently got a Buffalo Bags Big Buffalo- haven't had a chance to use it 
> much but its huge and seems well made. 
>
> I've also been using a Realm Wald basket bag for a while. I have the 
> smaller version and it can fit a ton. Not sure if you have a bag for your 
> basket already but it definitely expands the capacity. I know people have 
> done shorter tours with their basket bags and a few other small bags
>
> On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 7:45:53 AM UTC-5 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Just now seeing this thread, so I thought I would share some thoughts. 
>> After trying several of the more common brands you see most folks using 
>> these days, here's my ranking on experience:
>>
>> Carradice Nelson longflap - I bought this direct from the UK (cheaper) 
>> after using a "zipped roll" for over a decade. I also bought a QR Bagman 
>> support because I ride smaller bikes (54 cm range) and don't have a lot of 
>> space between my saddle and rear tire. The Nelson has a good deal of room 
>> and I find myself using the extra flap quite a bit on overnights. I added a 
>> thin sheet of poly material to the interior to give it some internal 
>> stiffening because I don't like floppy bags. The price, reputation, and 
>> classic styling of these Carradice bags makes them a good choice, but my 
>> main sticking point for daily use is the dang leather straps and metal 
>> buckles. I know it's part of the classic charm but I find them annoyingly 
>> fiddly and am always wishing for the ease of plastic clip buckles and nylon 
>> webbing.
>>
>> Fabio's Chest - I have a small waxed canvas version, and it's a very 
>> handsome, well-made bag. Even the small is more than enough for my 
>> bikepacking needs for overnights or multi-day trips (although I'm always 
>> running front AND rear bags when bikepacking). The roll-top combined with a 
>> long-flap feature is perfect for over-stuffing and still keeping your stuff 
>> dry and secure. The side pockets are huge, and I love the ability to close 
>> them simply with the velcro tabs OR a nylon buckle if you so choose. The 
>> small size also works well as a basket bag when paired with a Wald 137. My 
>> only critique of the Fab's Chest is I wish it had an internal dowel for 
>> rigidity like the Carradice and BxB offerings. The thin plastic strip sewn 
>> into the mounting area is similar to that of the Swift Zeitgeist, but I 
>> think these bags are better served with more robust "framework" for 
>> stability. When used as a saddlebag, I support it with a Nitto R14 rear 
>> rack.
>>
>> BxB Goldback (SM) - Far and away the best all-around saddlebag I've 
>> found. Jay's designs combine all the best elements of the above mentioned 
>> bags, and they are the best designed and built bags I've used. I currently 
>> own the Goldback, the Teardrop handlebar bag (no longer in production) and 
>> a Better Half frame bag. Size-wise, it fits somewhere between a Zeitgeist 
>> and the Carradice Nelson. It combines the drawstring cinch interior of the 
>> Carradice with a longflap that is designed to wrap over the top edge, 
>> keeping the elements out even when stuffed full (something I can't say for 
>> the Nelson). Mine came with both an interior and an exterior dowel, and 
>> Jay's ample use of daisy-chain loops on the underside and backside of the 
>> bag really let you tailor the fit to your bike setup. What the BxB bags 
>> seem to excel at is in the rock-solidness of them. Whereas my other bags 
>> tend to shift and flop around a bit on rough terrain, all of my BxB bags 
>> just stay solid no matter the load. I'm really not sure what accounts for 
>> this because they share many of the same mounting features as the other 
>> two, but Jay's bags just ride so much better than the others. I can use my 
>> Goldback with the Carradice Bagman support, or supported by the R14 rack 
>> depending on how much load I need to weigh it down with.
>>
>> Hope this info helps!
>> -Brian
>>
>> On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 1:47:00 AM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> I respect your decision to buy a new bike for your upcoming new bag 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 5:50:38 PM UTC-7 Chris K wrote:
>>>
>>>> Wanted to say a quick thank you for all of these really helpful 
>>>> replies. Being my first post, it didn't appear for 

[RBW] Re: Best all-around useful saddlebag?

[Chris K]

Wanted to say a quick thank you for all of these really helpful replies. 
Being my first post, it didn't appear for several days and I sort of lost 
track of this thread. Next thing you know it's a month later and I found 
all of your great answers. Haven't bought a bag yet, but it will surely be 
one of the ones mentioned here. Delayed the purchase as I'm thinking of 
buying a new bike first :)

On Tuesday, April 19, 2022 at 1:33:41 PM UTC-6 Drw wrote:

> Another vote for BagsXbird. I was a perennial saddlebag switcher for 
> years, but my small bxb bag hasn't left the bike since i got it. I also 
> bought a bigger one for overnights/touring. They are expensive but the 
> quality is phenomenal and he's really solved/added some cool and useful 
> details to the standard design. 
>
> On Tuesday, April 19, 2022 at 5:58:11 AM UTC-7 lconley wrote:
>
>> I was unaware that there were Alps in Australia.
>>
>> Laing
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 19, 2022 at 2:00:50 AM UTC-4 Nick Payne wrote:
>>
>>> For a reasonable size saddlebag that needs no rack underneath, the BXB 
>>> bags are pretty nice, but also quite expensive They come provided with a 
>>> stiffener inside, a piece of dowel to prevent the sides of the bag coming 
>>> forward into contact with your legs, and also a nylon strap with hook that 
>>> attaches from top to bottom of the centre of the opening to prevent the 
>>> middle of the bag sagging onto the tyre when loaded. Here's the one I have:
>>> [image: IMG_20200726_180051.jpg]
>>>
>>> For greater capacity, I use a Carradice Camper Longflap hanging off a 
>>> Nitto R50 saddlebag grip and with a Nitto saddlebag rack underneath. That 
>>> holds enough for a several day long tour if I'm staying in hotels/motels. 
>>> Here it is loaded up for such a tour in the Australian Alps:
>>> [image: IMG_0102.JPG]
>>>
>>> Nick
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Best all-around useful saddlebag?

[Chris K]

Hi all - I'm new to the group and figured you all would have opinions on 
"the best all-around useful saddle bag," if you could only own one.

For context, I ride a Bridgestone CB-0 set up with a front rack and Wald 
basket. This is great, but I sometimes wish for a little more capacity in 
the form of a bag. Based on Rivendell's site, the Bagboy or the Happisack 
seem to fit this "all-around useful" purpose and size. I mostly ride around 
town but want to do some overnights this summer as well.

Would you recommend definitely getting one over the other? I'm also looking 
at the Swift Zeitgeist or Catalyst.

Thanks!

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