[RBW] Re: Santa Cruz Mountains S24O - Monday (yes!) Sept. 2nd.

[Way Rebb]

Yes, I've never been up there but this should be fun. I'll be at Half Moon 
Bay Hike n Bike on Sunday if anyone wants to get lost in the hills with 
me...last we seen 'em they was ridin into the hills on their 
Rivendells

-Ray

On Friday, August 30, 2013 9:11:00 AM UTC-7, Andrew Letton wrote:

 Hi Anne  others,

 Yes I'm still planning an S240 for this coming Monday!  Ray W. is on a 
 tour to Big Sur and is planning to meet me at camp Monday and the more the 
 merrier!

 I've decided on the trail camp on the Butano Fire Road, near the Abandoned 
 Landing Strip on this map:
 http://www.parks.ca.gov/pages/536/files/ButanoWebLayout3Final10162010.pdf
 The approximate location is 37.223973,-122.293725
 This link shows the route from Skyline and Black Rd to the campsite:  
 http://goo.gl/maps/4wUUR

 It looks like it is at about 1600' elevation, so with luck, we'll be above 
 any coastal fog (Though yesterday morning it was foggy all the way to the 
 summit...).  Coming down the coast from the north, I'd go inland through 
 Pescadero, South on Cloverdale Rd, then up the Butano Fire Road. From 
 Skyline, I'll be heading W. on Hwy 9,  turning on Hwy 236 towards Big 
 Basin, and then right (North) on China Grade to Butano Fire Trail that 
 leads to the campground.

 Both routes involve several miles of dirt road, but it's nothing too 
 rough, and the last time my friend and I rode the route (on unladen bikes), 
 he did fine on 28mm tires (I was riding with 32mm tires).

 There are pit toilets but no water, so bring all the water you're going 
 to need.

 Here's an article about the campsite.  These guys hiked in on a hiker-only 
 trail, but came back out on the Butano Fire Road.

 http://www.avidbackpackers.com/htm/trips_2/butano.html

 I'm not sure whether there is cell coverage at the site, but ping me 
 off-list for my cell if you want to chat en-route or beforehand.

 I'm going to try to get there as early as I can, but knowing me, it will 
 likely be getting close to dark before I get to camp.

 I hope you can join me!

 cheers,
 Andrew
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 Andrew,

 Still planning the s24o Monday? Still want company?

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[RBW] Re: Santa Cruz Mountains S24O - Monday (yes!) Sept. 2nd.

[Way Rebb]

I might be able to make this. I have the week off and am heading down to 
Big Sur.  I'll be riding into Santa Cruz from Half Moon Bay on Monday.  New 
Brighton sounds good or somewhere along the coast.

-Ray

On Wednesday, August 21, 2013 3:29:32 PM UTC-7, Andrew Letton wrote:

 Hello Friends,
 I'm planning a birthday celebration S24O campout for Monday Sept. 2nd. and 
 would love some company.
 The location is not set in stone and I'm open to suggestions. Mixed 
 terrain riding is welcome and desired.   I live near the summit of Highway 
 17 (Redwood Estates) and I work in Scotts Valley.  I'm planning to ride 
 somewhere within a couple or three hours of home late Monday afternoon and 
 then ride from the camp to work on Tuesday morning.
 A few possible camp locations that come to mind:  
 - Castle Rock State Park hiker/biker campground (but I've done that 
 twice now, so somewhere new is preferred)
 - I hear that there's a campground between Big Basin and Butano parks 
 that's bike accessible
 - Niscene Marks park in Aptos has a campground that might be suitable
 - ...and I'm also open to guerrilla camping:  Wilder Ranch?  Other 
 options?
 I know the Monday of Labor Day weekend is probably not the best timing for 
 most, but it's what works for me, so that's when I'm going. :-)
 Let me know if you're interested in joining me!
 cheers,
 Andrew


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[RBW] Re: Devil's slide tunnel

[Way Rebb]

Thanks everyone, especially all the ride reports from those that have 
braved the new tunnel. I've decided to bite the bullet, ride into San Jose 
and throw the bike on a bus. :)   This is more of family get together I'm 
heading to anyway but this summer I'll probably take a trip through the new 
route. 

Regards,
Ray 

On Tuesday, May 14, 2013 1:22:19 PM UTC-7, Way Rebb wrote:

 Hello,

 Has anyone been down around the devil's slide area since the tunnel 
 opened?  I might be taking the Hillborne down to HMB or SC next week for a 
 few days.  It'd be nice to see the old coast road with no traffic!   


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[RBW] Devil's slide tunnel

[Way Rebb]

Hello,

Has anyone been down around the devil's slide area since the tunnel opened? 
 I might be taking the Hillborne down to HMB or SC next week for a few 
days.  It'd be nice to see the old coast road with no traffic!   

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[RBW] Re: Devil's slide tunnel

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I found some YouTube videos. H1 north bound doesn't look to bad.  The road 
is normal, meaning no narrower than many other sections of the coast, and 
the tunnel bypasses the worst of it.  South bound the tunnel starts at the 
top of the climb out of Pacifica with...ta da...concrete barriers and the 
tunnel ends with...ta da...concrete barriers!  They did leave about .0043 
inches between the white line and the barriers though.  :)

I've ridden the Craters of the Moon trail many times, I should say pushed 
COTM trail many times, but it gets kinda old though with a load of stuff 
clanking around on the Hillborne.  We're getting closer to a nice north 
south route through that area (yes, the climb out of Pacifica is nice.) 
 The barriers might be gone by summer.  I think I'll try it then.

-Ray

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[RBW] Re: Mt.Hamiliton S240 Feb 20- 21?

[Way Rebb]

Cool, your headed through my stomping grounds…Livermore.   Wish I
could make it but getting out on weekend are hard enough.  Mines Road
is a good ride, lots of bicycle traffic on the weekends and not flat,
okay compared to Diablo, Hamilton or the coast it's flat.   You need
to get out to Tracy and beyond, say camp at Caswell State Part, to
experience flat flat lands.

Your route through Livermore looks good, I commute part of it daily.
 One change I offer to suggest is where you get on Stanley Rd.
 Stanley Rd is a constant work in progress and major commute artery to
Pleasanton  I just stay on the trail, go under the bridges, hang a BIG
left to keep on that trail.   This will empty on the new multi-use
path on Stanley and you are back on track. Much nicer than Stanley.
You can see this the map.

There is also camping at Del Valle recreational area.  You'll pass the
intersection to Del Valle when you are on Mines Road and Del Valle
Road happens to be the biggest climb for miles around…if you feel the
urge to do some climbing…

Regards,
Ray

On Feb 1, 10:17 pm, Manuel Acosta manueljohnaco...@hotmail.com
wrote:
 Mike asked me about a s240 trip to Mt.Ham. Taking Will's suggestion. Trying
 to give enough notice so that people can actually come to these things.
 Hosting a s240 to Mt.Hamilition. Will be a mixed terrain ride. Long and a
 good amount of climbing. Two days 4000+ climbing.
 But the views and route are by far worth all the trouble.

 First day.
 Fremont Bart to Joseph D Grant Ranch. 50ish mileshttp://goo.gl/maps/Cixf4

 - Slight detour on Sierra(because Google can't change the directions).
 Instead of riding down Sierra riding down the Sierra Vista Trail into Alum
 Rock Park.
 - I take this route in reverse when I have time and it's a blast.

 Second day.
 Joseph D Grant Ranch back to Fremont Bart 80ishhttp://goo.gl/maps/9GpCF

 - Totally making this part up. Never been this far out I hear it pretty
 flat after Hamilton. I'm actually open to suggestions on making it more
 interesting.

 So there it is. Sorry for the weird dates I'm on my second winter break and
 I got a week off and my weekends are booked.
 Any suggestions on the route or interesting place to see would be helpful.

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[RBW] Re: What's your raffle entry consist of, and what are your plans for the prize?

[Way Rebb]

Yes dynamo, great idea, keep the sextant app on the phone charged when
I hit the water :)

On Dec 17, 2:04 am, IanA attew...@gmail.com wrote:
 With integrated dynamo wiring and a sail?







 On Sunday, December 16, 2012 11:56:30 PM UTC-7, Way Rebb wrote:

  I'm thinking of a Sam Hunqa-Pilson that converts into a kayak and I
  can float down the river.  I'm not sure it's possible :(

  On Dec 16, 3:58 pm, cbone97 cbon...@gmail.com wrote:
   A bit of fun since surely I'm not the only one who's been prompted to
   enter a $300 order this month and tempted to dream of what I'll ask
   Grant to cook up for me if I win.

   My order (placing tonight, destination is a V.O. Polyvalent I scored
   on fleabay.):

   2 Conti 650b 54mm tires
   2 tubes for 'em
   1 55 cm cromo Bosco bar
   8 sp cassette, 11-32t
   Sugino XD2, wide/low double
   2 corks
   total: $300.00

   My prize request:
   650b fat-tire capable love child of Bosco Rubbe (general tube
   configuration) and AHH (paint color / job, geometry elegance)

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[RBW] Re: A Typical Ride

[Way Rebb]

Now those are the rides I like.  Three/Four hour ride through the
local hills, along the trails...take off in the morning and have the
afternoon free for something else. I try to get out one or two weeks
during the summer and go somewhere camping or visiting but those
little rides are a nice break from commuting, shopping, jury duty..all
the I have to transport myself somewhere type rides.

Regards,
Ray

On Dec 16, 6:46 am, Jan Heine hein...@earthlink.net wrote:
 After all the discussion of long-distance rides, I was inspired to
 post on our blog about a typical ride. Like Grant's S24O camping
 trips, most of our rides don't go far from home, yet there is a lot of
 fun to be had. To me, the long adventures are like eight-course meals:
 special and memorable, but not what I'd want to do every week. Our
 weekly rides are more like daily fare: less elaborate and more easily
 digested, but very enjoyable nonetheless.

 http://janheine.wordpress.com/2012/12/15/a-typical-ride/

 Jan Heine
 Editor
 Bicycle Quarterly

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[RBW] Re: What's your raffle entry consist of, and what are your plans for the prize?

[Way Rebb]

I'm thinking of a Sam Hunqa-Pilson that converts into a kayak and I
can float down the river.  I'm not sure it's possible :(

On Dec 16, 3:58 pm, cbone97 cbon...@gmail.com wrote:
 A bit of fun since surely I'm not the only one who's been prompted to
 enter a $300 order this month and tempted to dream of what I'll ask
 Grant to cook up for me if I win.

 My order (placing tonight, destination is a V.O. Polyvalent I scored
 on fleabay.):

 2 Conti 650b 54mm tires
 2 tubes for 'em
 1 55 cm cromo Bosco bar
 8 sp cassette, 11-32t
 Sugino XD2, wide/low double
 2 corks
 total: $300.00

 My prize request:
 650b fat-tire capable love child of Bosco Rubbe (general tube
 configuration) and AHH (paint color / job, geometry elegance)

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[RBW] Re: Who rode their bicycle to vote in the US today?

[Way Rebb]

Awww, I walked.  Normally I ride everywhere, even three blocks to the
store but today for some reason I walked to the poll.  Maybe I'll ride
by and take a re-enactment photo later today. :)

On Nov 6, 11:03 am, Amit Singh asd...@gmail.com wrote:
 Got a photo of your Riv at the poll?  Send a link or post the photo!  :)

 I'll be riding to go vote this evening after work and will send a photo
 then.

 Amit

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell owners and Jefferson Airplane...

[Way Rebb]

Yes, yes, yes!

Baxters was a daily listen for about 20 years as background yoga
music, Surrealistic Pillow  Baxters is the only music on my phone.
Best RBW Owners Bunch thread in years!  Now work in a little Zappa...

Regards,
Ray

On Oct 23, 9:13 pm, lungimsam john11.2...@gmail.com wrote:
 Are you both a Rivendell owner and Jefferson Airplane fan?

 Was wondering about the SanFran cultural/possible generational link.

 I am a Marylander. But a Rivendell owner and Jefferson Airplane fan.
 Listening to You're my Best Friend while cycling on quiet roads in the
 Spring is such a nice feeling.

 There is a Rivendell/Mac question on Jim's site. Though more obscure,
 thought I would ask this one because of the SF area focus of the two, and
 I'm a fan of both.

 Moderator, feel free to remove if this question is not approporiate to the
 forum, with my apologies...

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[RBW] Re: King Grip Pedals

[Way Rebb]

I've had my Grip Kings few years now.  Early on the pedals started
clicking.  I began prying the plastic dust cap off to pack in some
grease but then I though of something.  Instead of taking them apart
took an old credit card and squeegee'd some grease in from the othere
side.  I squeegee'd and spun the pedal, squeegee'd and spun.  The
grease was sucked up like a sponge.  Never had a clicking problem
since.

Regards,
Ray

On Jul 17, 10:57 am, Rex Kerr rexk...@gmail.com wrote:
 I had some 5% back store credit burning a hole in my rivbike.com account,
 so I recently made a purchase.  (Thanks guys!)  Part of my order was a
 pair of King Grip pedals.  Did my first ride with them today and thought
 I'd share my thoughts for those who are considering them.

 The ride was my normal 10 mile commute, unseasonably cool with a slight
 breeze.  Rode in my size 14 Chaco sandals, with socks (fashion at its
 best!) due to the cooler temperatures.

 Last night I installed the pedals.  They were surprisingly light.  They
 look very bulky and heavy, but when I held them I was pleasantly surprised.
  Too lazy to find the grease, so I put a dab of wax based chain lube on the
 threads and figured the existing grease in the crank arms would be
 sufficient.  The spindles have both hex flats for a 14 mm pedal wrench and
 recessed holes for an allen wrench.  I used the flats since I already had
 the pedal wrench in hand from removing the MKS touring pedals.

 The MKS touring pedals were bothering me in that I was constantly suffering
 from pedal strike.  I tried, seriously, to teach myself how close they were
 to the ground, but it seemed that even on the most subtle of turns they
 would touch the ground.  The King Grip pedals, on the other hand, had
 amazing clearance.  I pedaled through every turn, even some that I
 shouldn't have and couldn't get them to hit the ground.  I tried standing
 with one foot low and swerving back and forth on the bike trail trying to
 get them to touch, and they didn't.  They had GREAT clearance!  (Grant
 responded to my previous complaints about the MKS pedals, indicating that
 the King Grips had the best clearance of the pedals they sell)

 On the MKS pedals I have been using powergrip straps.  I didn't miss the
 attachment at all with the King Grip pedals as the platform held the shoe
 in place well.

 Overall they were good pedals.  My concern, though, is that they felt too
 narrow.  I felt like I had to keep my feet in just the right place to keep
 them centered over the pedal, and yet I was still pushing against the
 straps of my sandals as my foot wanted to migrate outwards.  It may be
 because I tend to pedal somewhat toe out, and on my old Speedplay Frog
 pedals I always special ordered them with extra long spindles, but I think
 that I'd also prefer a longer spindle with the King Grip pedal so that I
 could feel like my foot was actually on the pedal.  Maybe I should try them
 with a set of those knee saver spacer, but I don't have any available.  I
 also quickly understood why some here have been adding an extra support
 along the outer edge and am somewhat tempted to go back through the
 archives and see who was selling those and try to modify these accordingly.

 Anyhow, hope that this quick review is helpful to anybody considering these
 pedals...

 -Rex

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[RBW] Re: S240- Samuel P Taylor Park- First Bike Camping trip for a handful of people

[Way Rebb]

Nice! Those marshmallows have a mind of their own.

On Jul 16, 8:44 pm, Manuel Acosta manueljohnaco...@hotmail.com
wrote:
 Great trip with great friends, new and old. Great talking to professional
 bike packer and Rivendell employee, Miles. We did a lot of advertising
 around the Marin Headlands with three Samuel Hillbornes, one Hunqipillar
 and one X0-4. Fun times.

 Pictures proved that we didn't freeze (until we rode over the bridge the
 next day):http://flic.kr/s/aHsjAEm6DY

 -Manny Doesn't look like its going to rain. Acosta

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[RBW] Re: I love my seersucker!

[Way Rebb]

I have a bunch of bamboo rayon.  At the time they were just Shirts On
Sale but they are good on bikes.  Lately I've taken to wearing white
billowy dress type shirts.  People look at me a little differently,
maybe they think I'm a Mormon.

On Jul 16, 2:45 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:
 I just delved into my closet and came out with a total of 4 (four)
 rayon shirts in loud but tasteful patterns -- ta dah! Each good for at
 least 4 hours of riding in hot weather over two days including daytime
 casual wear during non-riding hours and at least a single stint as
 pyjamas during the intervening night. (Yes, I bathe. And I usually let
 my shirt air while I sleep in something else.)

 AND I just discovered several silk dittos and today's ditto (21 miles)
 is so far neither steamy nor stinky. And of course I do have 2 or 3
 seersuckers: will have to compare these with those.

 On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 3:37 PM, Liesl li...@smm.org wrote:
  'Tis furnace-hot and sauna-steamy here in the Twin Cities. I need four more 
  MUSA seersuckers! Bring 'em back! I bought some non-MUSAs and there's just 
  no comparison. The MUSAs are more puckery and better weight and better 
  details. Why oh why didn't I get some plaids when I had the chance? Just in 
  case, I'd take a small or a medium...

  Liesl

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[RBW] Re: A nine day ride around

[Way Rebb]

dougP,

The trek around Devil's slide...don't tell anyone about this... but if
you approach from the south on Hwy 1, as I did, a little before you
hit the slide area there is small tree lined turn out with a wooden
gate and sign that looks like it might be a park or private road.
Ride over there and you've found it.  The path is well marked with a
map at the beginning and then signs through out the road.   Old San
Pedro road is what this is called.  You can google map Montara and
move the little guy up to Old San Pedro road on Hwy 1 and you will see
it.

From the north there might be a couple of ways, it doesn't end on Hwy1
but you can turn left on Linda Mar Blvd, go up a ways, turn right on
Adobe then left on Higgins.  Higgins will take you out to Old San
Pedro.

-Ray

On Jun 28, 9:23 am, dougP dougpn...@cox.net wrote:
 Ray:

 Can you detail the trek around Devil's Slide via the mystery road?
 I worked out something via Google earth a couple of years ago but
 never got to try it out.  I've since found Google's aerial views can
 be out of date.

 Thx,

 dougP

 On Jun 27, 9:46 pm, Way Rebb grayc...@mac.com wrote:







  Hello,

  I took a little vacation last week.  Spent nine days hike'n and bike'n
  the California State Parks, meandering my way from Livermore down to
  Big Sur and back up the coast.

  The first day was rough: Livermore to Santa Cruz.  Blazingly hot by
  the time I hit the hills outside of Los Gatos, fifty miles into the
  ride (about 70 total).  Traffic on Old Santa Cruz Hwy was heavy
  because Hwy 17 was stopped. I traveled most of the hills pushing the
  bike to keep away from the RVs.   Almost ran out of water but a
  fireman at a fire station let me fill my bottles at the outside faucet
  and finally hit that great cooling descent down Soquel San Jose Road
  about twelve hours after I started. Whew, I was beat but I made it.

  The days after that were great.  Miles of bike paths toward Monterey,
  zippy traffic on highway 1 around Moss Landing, back roads through
  quiet strawberry fields outside of Watsonville; tough climbs and fast
  descents in the hills approaching Big Sur; ferocious headwinds,
  sidewinds, tailwinds; several why am I doing this moments but many
  more I gotta do this again moments and on and on.

  I was planning to go further south, maybe to Santa Barbara or
  somewhere, but when I found out they allowed two nights of bike
  camping at Big Sur I stayed and enjoyed the park. Pushed backed up the
  coast with overnights at New Brighton, Half Moon Bay and, during the
  trek around Devils Slide via the mystery road, I thought why stop now,
  China Camp is just up the road!  Maybe I can get in one more night of
  camping.  Quite an adventure to find China Camp since I'd never been
  there.  Beautiful park!

  Maybe it is to early in the touring season but I didn't see may others
  out on the roads. I was the only one at New Brighton. I did see a mint
  '83 Specialized Expedition loaded for a trip across the country.  He
  bought the bike from a neighbor who bought it new but never used it.
  I told him the bike waited all these years for him to take it on a
  trip.

  Hillborne handled the ride perfectly and I really got to know my
  little chainring. I knew it was there never understood how useful it
  was, big gear too…anyway…here are a few pictures.

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/wrebb/sets/72157630307669764/

  Regards,
  Ray

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[RBW] Re: A nine day ride around

[Way Rebb]

Manny,

Yes, it was a surprise to see you.  I would have stopped a little
longer but you looked busy.

-Ray

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 Looks like a great trip. Funny that I ran into you on the pier on your way
 back.
 -Manny

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[RBW] Re: A nine day ride around

[Way Rebb]

Addison,

Saving google maps and I don't get along too good.  I will try it
again and post a link if I ever figure it out.

-Ray

On Jun 28, 5:33 am, Addison Wilhite addisonwilh...@gmail.com wrote:
 That looks like a great trip.  Did you map it on google and save it so you
 could share a link?  I've been mulling some sort of tour in CA this summer
 since my bike tour across Nevada fell through.

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[RBW] A nine day ride around

[Way Rebb]

Hello,

I took a little vacation last week.  Spent nine days hike'n and bike'n
the California State Parks, meandering my way from Livermore down to
Big Sur and back up the coast.

The first day was rough: Livermore to Santa Cruz.  Blazingly hot by
the time I hit the hills outside of Los Gatos, fifty miles into the
ride (about 70 total).  Traffic on Old Santa Cruz Hwy was heavy
because Hwy 17 was stopped. I traveled most of the hills pushing the
bike to keep away from the RVs.   Almost ran out of water but a
fireman at a fire station let me fill my bottles at the outside faucet
and finally hit that great cooling descent down Soquel San Jose Road
about twelve hours after I started. Whew, I was beat but I made it.

The days after that were great.  Miles of bike paths toward Monterey,
zippy traffic on highway 1 around Moss Landing, back roads through
quiet strawberry fields outside of Watsonville; tough climbs and fast
descents in the hills approaching Big Sur; ferocious headwinds,
sidewinds, tailwinds; several why am I doing this moments but many
more I gotta do this again moments and on and on.

I was planning to go further south, maybe to Santa Barbara or
somewhere, but when I found out they allowed two nights of bike
camping at Big Sur I stayed and enjoyed the park. Pushed backed up the
coast with overnights at New Brighton, Half Moon Bay and, during the
trek around Devils Slide via the mystery road, I thought why stop now,
China Camp is just up the road!  Maybe I can get in one more night of
camping.  Quite an adventure to find China Camp since I'd never been
there.  Beautiful park!

Maybe it is to early in the touring season but I didn't see may others
out on the roads. I was the only one at New Brighton. I did see a mint
'83 Specialized Expedition loaded for a trip across the country.  He
bought the bike from a neighbor who bought it new but never used it.
I told him the bike waited all these years for him to take it on a
trip.

Hillborne handled the ride perfectly and I really got to know my
little chainring. I knew it was there never understood how useful it
was, big gear too…anyway…here are a few pictures.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/wrebb/sets/72157630307669764/

Regards,
Ray

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Rally Bay Area Edition Ride Recap

[Way Rebb]

That was my first free weekend in quite a while. Very good day. Thank
you for the great ride Manny.  Here are a few more pictures. I left
the camera at home so I used the phone.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/wrebb/7182102849/in/set-72157630116192320/

Regards,
Ray

On Jun 11, 9:14 pm, Manuel Acosta manueljohnaco...@hotmail.com
wrote:
  Fun day.
  Grant's book signing at the Warming Hut was greeted by amazing weather and
  amazing bikes with amazing people. Glad I got to drag Grant along on this
  trip. It's kinda hard to plan a ride like this for people I don't know. So
  I figured I would just do a ride and if people wanted to follow that would
  be great. I already knew I didn't want to ride Tam that day. Despite the
  nice weather along the coast I knew riding more inland it would get
  uncomfortable or even down right miserable. At any point no ride should be
  like that. Unless you want it to be. And for this nice day with these great
  people it didn't seem like it was really necessary to go on a epic river
  crossing ride. (not like there is any epic river crossing around San
  Francisco) or dry dirt hill climbing. Opt for a tourist route of seeing the
  best of San Francisco. Riding over the bridgeinto Marin Headlands By some
  beachUp some hill with bunkers back over the bridge. Most of the route
  was kinda made up on the spot. Thanks for everyone that followed me (err
  dealt with my lack of route making skills). After we got over the bridge
  some people branched off to do their own thing including Grant himself.
  Kinda made me nervous about him getting back to Bart when he asked the
  question, I can get to Bart by going this way right? I'm pretty sure he
  made it to Bart. The ride continued passed the bridge pass Robin William's
  house pass the Legion of Honor  down some stairs pass Ocean's Beach
  into Golden Gate Park. Here the ride finished with Ice cream in the park.
  Fun ride amazing people, great looking day. Thanks to everyone that came
  out. Oh yea thanks to Grant for make a book about bike riding, then having
  a book signing for the book about bike riding, then coming along for the
  bike ride after the book signing for his book about bike riding.

  Pictures proved that it happened:
 http://flic.kr/s/aHsjzQkRRP

  -Manny  I think it's a right, maybe it was a left. Acosta

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Rally Bay Area Edition.

[Way Rebb]

That sounds fun. I can make an afternoon ride tomorrow.  Anywhere is
fine with me, even 25 laps around Crissy Fields. I will wear my good
shirt!

On Jun 7, 12:22 pm, Manuel Acosta manueljohnaco...@hotmail.com
wrote:
 Looks like the probably of two ride it is.
 Morning ride to Fred's for french toast.

 Afternoon ride after the book signing.

 As much as I would love to do both. I feel like some quality time with the
 lady friend is much needed. So might be out for the morning ride. More
 likely be able to do the afternoon ride after the book signing.

 I propose a mixed trail route in Rivendellish fashion over the bridge up
 Mt.Tam via climbing Rail Road Grade to the West
 Point Inn, descent to Panoramic Hwy on Old Stage coach, ride Panoramic Hwy
 to the Miwok trail head, ride the headlands back to Conzelman and then down
 to the Bridge. I did this ride with some of the SF Randonneurs a couple
 weeks back. Route can be found here. I pretty sure the route sheet is the
 one I described.

 http://bike.duque.net/assets/files/SF-Mixedterrain-101.pdf

 Let me know what everyone thinks. We can cut the ride shorter or make it
 longer. Or changed all together.

 -Manny

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[RBW] Re: Noodle Platrack Hillborne

[Way Rebb]

Nice setup!  Lots of little details to ohh and ahh over.  Did you make
the bracket for the light?

I've been thinking about a second Hillborne myself  (maybe an
Atlantis)..  A second bike to keep big racks on, ready to go, while
the current one keeps its pure roadie, but not clubby, set up.

Regards,
Ray

On May 13, 4:56 am, Thomas Lynn Skean thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net
wrote:
 I've been riding it some already but am still putting the finishing touches 
 on the new green Hillborne. These pictures show why I would like to have a 
 tan Sackville line.

 Saddle cover by RandiJo. Bar cover from VO. Mirror is BM from Peter White. 
 No bell yet. The Nitto bag grip is there for when I use my SaddleSack Medium, 
 which works quite nicely on the Mark's-Platrack combo. (Lately I've begun 
 thinking a Large would work too!)

 http://db.tt/ieE3Mv99http://db.tt/WI0HMh4Nhttp://db.tt/b6uQjx0lhttp://db.tt/jTJRtfDPhttp://db.tt/6jTxf2zm

 Yours,
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[RBW] Re: SimpleOne

[Way Rebb]

The last single speed I had was as a kid and his StingRay.  Getting a
bike with gears was a revelation. I remember actually riding, not
pushing the bike, up 73rd in Oakland with a big smile on my face.  I
doubt, in fact I know, I'd never get a single speed. I can get the
same effect by not changing gears for a while.  Maybe if it had all
the braze ons for a Rohloff or something like that.  Some people seem
to like them, just not for me.

On Apr 9, 7:11 pm, ted ted.ke...@comcast.net wrote:
 Jim writes: People think single-speed and in the same thought they

 think beater or winter bike or bar bike or whatever other
 utilitarian, un-romantic category applies.

 I figure Jim's dealt with way more folks buying bikes than I have so I
 wouldn't take issue with him about what people in the aggregate
 think. But I sure don't think that way. When I got my first ss/fixed
 bike (after grade school that is), I was concerned about winter in the
 midwest. I didn't want rear derailers freezing up packed full of
 slush. I wanted fenders so I wouldn't get covered with slush. I
 thought the 1/8th inch chain would lower the loads and wear better.
 But I wasn't particularly thinking cheep. I got campi track hubs,
 moderate weight tubular rims, suntour superbe cranks, lyotard platform
 pedals (ok they weren't expensive but they were nice), and chinelli
 bar and stem. If I could have afforded a better frame I think I would
 have.

 I understand fear of theft driving a desire for cheep. But not fear of
 the elements. I have never hesitated to take a nice bike out into the
 rain or snow because I was afraid it would get wrecked. I also see no
 conflict between utilitarian and aesthetics/elegance/beauty etc. Have
 you ever used snap-on tools?

 Clearly not enough people will pay 1k for a dedicated SS frame and
 fork to support the SO/QB in the marketplace. I just find it odd if
 thats not because almost nobody (outside of hipsterdom which, as noted
 previously, has a different aesthetic) really knows they like riding
 em. Of course I think lots of things are odd.

 On Apr 9, 3:16 am, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com
 wrote:







  Also, in reference to Ted's comment about the Cross-check being more an 
  analog to the Hillborne than to the SO:

  That's definitely true if you're talking about the Cross-check as a geared 
  bike. In that case, the two bikes have a lot of similarities, except one 
  looks fancier and costs $600 more (for the frameset only). The price 
  difference is more profound if you compare the CC stock complete bike to a 
  similarly equipped Hillborne, which is not available as a mass-market 
  complete bike. But lots of people, for various reasons, think the price 
  difference on the Riv is plenty acceptable. Lots of people are willing to 
  shell out for a special bike. Cool.

  But single-speeds are different. People think single-speed and in the 
  same thought they think beater or winter bike or bar bike or whatever 
  other utilitarian, un-romantic category applies. In that case, you look at 
  that $600 price difference and you think about rust and dents, and that 
  Surly, what it lacks in panache, it makes up in ruggedness and, ultimately, 
  in the worst case scenario, replaceability. In the case of single-speeds, 
  the preciousness that many of us assign to Rivendell bicycles is a 
  drawback. And that's why I say more mundane frames like the CC make it hard 
  to sell the QB/SO.

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[RBW] Re: Bike Fit - Back Pain - RivRiders Handlebar Survey

[Way Rebb]

I just shortened my stem from 10 to 8cm.  Doesn't sound like much but
it's like a new bike, everything just fell into place.  So much
better.  I had the bars raised to the limit but it always felt like I
was reaching for the positions, a little different that stretching.
During rides I started letting my hand drop into the various positions
on the bar thinking okay if this was in the right position my hand
would be here...or here...or here.  The positions were always about 2
or 3 cm away from the where the bar was.  Now I can actually make up
and down adjustments that make sense (rather than up, up, up)  and
have more of the stem inside the tube which makes for a much more
solid ride.

Regards,
Ray

On Apr 3, 11:09 am, Bruce Curry currybru...@gmail.com wrote:
 OK RivBikers.. You had me at Bike Porn.

 This is with the latest stem raise to 4cm above saddle height to
 alleviate back pain.  Will be adjusting per Dr. Esteban's advise later
 today to see if my spine remains intact.  I thank all those who
 contributed advise.  I do appreciate it.

 Photos attached 
 here:https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/sredir?uname=114171552924642549314ta...

 Note to anyone with either sensitivity or previously diagnosed
 addiction to Dungeoness crab porn... do not go past the first picture
 in this album.  It's a slippery slope people.  Recovery is long and
 hard.

 Bruce

 On Apr 3, 7:14 am, newenglandbike matthiasbe...@gmail.com wrote:







  Bill-   could you be a little less overt in your shameless gambits for more
  bike porn?   have you no dignity man?

  Now, back to the topic at hand:   Bruce, please post a picture of your bike
  already.

  -Matt

  On Tuesday, April 3, 2012 9:23:29 AM UTC-4, Bill M. wrote:

   Bruce,

   Can you post a good profile picture of your bike as it sits, and maybe one
   of you on the bike?

   Bill

   On Monday, April 2, 2012 5:05:14 PM UTC-7, Bruce Curry wrote:

   Tis the season to be putting on more miles and I am experiencing more
   pronounced lower back pain.  For some reason climbing makes it even
   worse.  I feel like my bars are too far forward for me but don't wan't
   to launch on a stem buying spree without some scientific study and
   addl input from group members.  The facts:

   64cm Ram with the bars about 3cm over saddle height, 60cm cockpit w/a
   12cm stem and a VO wayback seatpost w/a brooks B17.  I am tall with
   long torso  short arms.  When I look at my front hub thru my bars the
   hub is about an inch ahead of the line made by the bars (but since the
   bars are up so high this point is essentially moot).  What I think is
   probably the most telling issue is that my knees remain about 7 away
   from my bars (measured horizontally from each other from a purely
   eyeballed vertical plane separating my knee from the bars).  The
   method I used to take this measurement was to spin backwards holding
   onto the wall looking straight down at a tape measure to judge the
   imaginary horizontal distance from the farthest forward progress of
   the knee.

   Has anyone else faced this challenge?  Solution?  Does the knee-bar
   quotient seem like a rational metric.  Anyone else care to share
   their number?

   Bruce in Seattle

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[RBW] Re: Roadeo: What's in a name?

[Way Rebb]

Nobody know this but the word is actually pronounced ROAD.  Es and Os
are silent after Ds in creatively spelled previously Angloized Spanish
words.  rotare eadem rodear.  Just a bit of trivia I made up :)

On Apr 5, 4:34 pm, Aaron Young 1ce...@gmail.com wrote:
 I'm thinking its ROAD-eo, because of the curvy road on the head badge and
 the intended use of the bike.  But there's nothing wrong with making it
 your own and saying Ro-DAY-oh.

 Aaron Y.
 Rochester, NY

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[RBW] Re: Using a Sam Hillborne as a go fast-ish bike

[Way Rebb]

Hillborne is a complete dog going to work.  It wants to head to the
hills, the creek, down random streets it's never been down before, the
ocean 40 miles away...anywhere but work!  Takes all my bike whispering
skills to keep it pointed in the right direction.  Now, going home is
a different story.  The thing's a rocket!  I hear shrieks from those
helium filled plastic bikes as Hillborne blurs by, fenders and all.  I
can barely hang on.  Whoosh...

On Mar 25, 4:13 pm, SeanMac seanm...@gmail.com wrote:
 I'm considering pulling the trigger on one of the new blue Sam
 Hillborne's.  They look like really wonderful bikes.  Strong, versatile,
 attractive are words that come to mind when I think about this bike.  These
 are qualities that I find attractive.  However, I also like to go fastish.
 Can I do this with a Sam as well?

 I'm pushing 45 years old.  A few years ago I had a custom made go-fast bike
 built for me.  That bike goes fast, but is limited in what it can do.  I
 also have a Trek 520 Touring bike.  This bike, obviously, is built for
 touring.  Its not very fast, nor very lively.  In short, my Trek isn't much
 fun to ride.  I'm looking for a bike to fit in between these two bikes --
 one that will be able to carry a few bags and ride on stone dust bike paths
 (such as the Erie Canal path), but one that will not feel sluggish to ride
 (like my Trek).

 Most of the time, when I see photos of Sams, the bikes seem to be set up to
 be workhorses -- carrying a collection of bags and racks.  I want to be
 able to do this with a bike (thus the attraction to the bike in the first
 place).  However, I would like to use noodle bars and go on fast-ish club
 and recreational rides as well.  In fact, the vast majority of rides will
 be  20 - 30 mile out for fun and exercise rides.  Is the Sam well suited
 to this as well, or will it likely feel more like my Trek 520?  Most likely
 I would set up a Sam with Noodle bars and tires such as Roly-Poly or Jack
 Browns.

 I'm also considering having a custom built randonneur bike -- one that will
 be able to carry some load but also feel quick and lively to ride.
 However, if the Sam will meet my needs, it certainly would be a less
 expensive alternative.  I don't think that my body has any proportions that
 would make me difficult to fit (5ft, 11 inches tall, PBH 87.5, arm length
 35 inches) so I don't think that I *need* to go custom (though it sure is
 fun to do so!).

 Any thoughts on whether a Sam would be a good choice would be appreciated.

 Sean

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[RBW] Re: 46 Noodles swapped for 42s

[Way Rebb]

I've been thinking about going from 46 to 44.  I just swapped out a
10cm stem for an 8 on the Hillborne and its like a new bike.  I think
a little narrower bar would bring it all together.  I've also been
checking out the Compass Randonneur bars but they seem to be 38.5 or
something.  They look interesting though.

Regards,
Ray

On Feb 11, 4:39 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:
 I just swapped out the 46 cm Noodles for a pair of 42s (thanks, Dylan --
 I'll mail the 46s this coming week) and I must say that I much prefer the
 narrower ones. I've got them at the same height and reach and feared that
 they would feel too close, but they feel just right. I've tried wide bars
 -- Noodles, all sorts of different dirt drop flares including the original
 WTBs and Salsas, but I keep coming back to more narrow ones. In fact, I put
 38/42 -- or perhaps they are 37/41; forget --  Compass Bicycle Maes
 Parallels on the two Rivs and I must say those are the nicest road bars
 I've used. (And, they are made by NItto to an even nicer finish than the
 Noodles, etc).

 The only thing I miss -- slightly -- from the 46s is the additional room on
 the flats on either side of the rather wide tubular bar bag; but that is a
 minor price for the greater comfort otherwise.

 --
 Patrick Moore
 Albuquerque, NM
 For professional resumes, contact
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[RBW] Re: Campy Record 10 group on Rambouillet?

[Way Rebb]

...Campy from derailed on...  Auto spell correction attacks again!
Campy Front Derailleur.


On Feb 12, 11:52 pm, Way Rebb grayc...@mac.com wrote:
 If you post pics on Flickr you ought to blur out the
 plastic...err...carbon bits but Campy is fine.  I have a Campy from
 derailed on the Hillborne and that thing shifts fast!

 On Feb 11, 10:45 pm, Eric ericwolfo...@gmail.com wrote:







  Would I be breaking any RBW aesthetic rules by throwing on a Campy
  Record 10 group on my Ramouillet?

  And yes, carbon shifters/fd/rd but alloy cranks.

  Thoughts?

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[RBW] Re: Campy Record 10 group on Rambouillet?

[Way Rebb]

If you post pics on Flickr you ought to blur out the
plastic...err...carbon bits but Campy is fine.  I have a Campy from
derailed on the Hillborne and that thing shifts fast!

On Feb 11, 10:45 pm, Eric ericwolfo...@gmail.com wrote:
 Would I be breaking any RBW aesthetic rules by throwing on a Campy
 Record 10 group on my Ramouillet?

 And yes, carbon shifters/fd/rd but alloy cranks.

 Thoughts?

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[RBW] Re: Foss tubes

[Way Rebb]

They provide protection in the sense I didn't know something was amiss
until the tire actually went flat.  Maybe if I was really in-tune with
my tire pressure I'd have noticed my bi-weekly fill up needed a little
more air than usual.  Patching is easy though.  I think as long as I
use air in my tires and not cement an annual flat is just a part of
bicycle riding.

Also use 700 x35 marathon supreme in front and have two flats in two
years, keep at about 50 to 60 lbs.  Not bad.

Regards,
Ray

On Feb 1, 11:16 am, Jay in Tel Aviv jayin...@gmail.com wrote:
 Anyone try these yet? How do they compare to Slime Lites? Do they work
 for glass and wires or just nails and tacks?

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[RBW] Re: Supernova E3 tail light opinions

[Way Rebb]

You can also add a few more lights in back. I ride in the dark quite a
bit and I have three tail lights, all battery powered:  An old Vista
Light 5 LEd mounted to the rack, one on the fender and the Soma Bullet
light down where the rack attaches to the stay.  I also have one of
the reflective triangles Rivendell sells and the rack light makes a
nice glow through the mesh, especially in the fog.

Regards,
Ray

On Jan 22, 5:15 pm, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote:
 Jim is correct, about one night group ride is all I've done.  Rarely
 out that late.  More 5:30 a.m. commutes that caused this to come up.

 Have I ever been hit on the Hillborne with the E3 light?  No.
 Numerous close calls.  Hard to say if it's more than with a Planet
 Bike Superflash or a Nite Rider flashing light.

 My greatest area of concern is lack of visibility with the light.
 Three LEDs just sitting there, no amplification.

 Of course the other option would be to chuck the entire Supernova
 system and just use a BM system.

 If nothing else, it's giving me something to think about changing over
 the winter.  So it might not just be bar tape that gets replaced in
 the next month or so.

 Eric Platt
 St. Paul, MN

 On Jan 22, 11:12 am, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery







 thill@gmail.com wrote:
  I happen to know that EricP doesn't do many after-dark group rides, so 
  tailoring his lighting to other cyclists is probably not a priority. I rode 
  for awhile behind a guy who had one of those slow flash frequency DiNotte 
  taillights. I saw spots for days!

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell: Our First Real Sale

[Way Rebb]

Wow, the stuff sure sold quickly.  I saw the e-mail friday but was on
the road for my annual winter tour and didn't wan to use the iPhone
to buy stuff.  Everything I would have bought was gone except some
Olive old style pants.  I wear them around the offices/cubes and un-
velcro'd they look fairly normal (do these things ever wear out?) so I
bought a couple pair.

I'll have to put money toward a dyna hub which after this ride I think
I need more than the other things.  Serendipity they call it.

On Jan 2, 10:11 am, Geoff mocha...@hotmail.com wrote:
 Since this sale started, my wife and I have gone back to the well a few
 times...lol.  I definitely agree that it was wise to move quickly on the
 more popular items.  I was going to pick up another pair of old MUSA
 shorts during the first day of the sale...too late...every color in my
 size(L) was gone. :(

 Maybe my wife and I missed it, but it seems Riv has added their new MUSA
 pants to the sale.  My wife snatched up a pair of the old MUSA pants
 earlier in the sale, and I've just snagged a pair of the new ones...just
 a couple of bucks less than the old ones.  Worth checking out.  :)

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[RBW] Re: Trail Recommendation Database?

[Way Rebb]

I have something called 511 bike mapper in my links list:

http://511contracosta.org/bike/#

I've used it to find rides but never set them up.

Regards,
Ray

On Jan 2, 10:54 am, TSW tsesun...@gmail.com wrote:
 hi all,
 Sorry if this has been discussed already- is there a place where
 people have posted or can post trail recommendations?  Could be a
 thread here... or a Google spreadsheet perhaps?  I know there must be
 online resources... I was thinking something that's a bit more Riv-
 ish- country biking and all that- a mix of road and not terribly
 technical off-road.

 TIA,
 Tse-Sung
 Berkeley

 ps- yesterday, in our neck o' the woods, I started at Inspiration
 Point in Tilden and took a trail down into Wildcat Canyon, then took
 the Wildcat Creek trail all the way to the Alvarado Staging Area in El
 Sobrante.  A really nice ride.  Met some very nice dogs too :-)

 More:

 http://g.co/maps/dq3c7

 Hit the 3D button on the left, to fly it.

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[RBW] Re: Wow you go really fast on that thing

[Way Rebb]

My favorite comment was ..wow; look at those welds!.

-Ray

On Sep 30, 8:58 am, Allan in Portland allan_f...@aracnet.com wrote:
 Literally heard that last night in regards to my still-new-to-me AHH. Look,
 I know the tires are a little shabby, and the saddle doesn't fit the
 aesthetic (but it does fit me), but really, that thing?

 :-) OK, as it was coming from a young 20-something on a crabon looking
 Scattante bike with skinny tires and not much else, I figured it was a
 compliment.

 I should start a blog of unprompted comments Rivendells bring. So far, in
 less than 2 months I've had the usual how old is it on two different
 occasions. Some guy who looks like he doesn't ride bikes asked if I could go
 over 40 mph on it (was happy to show him the computer's max speed was
 currently recorded as 39.55). And not quite a comment, but the train rider
 in the seat next to me very conspicuously doing a web search on A. Homer
 Hilsen Not that I can blame any of them, (OK, I do hold it against the how
 old is? guys), it _is_ a great looking bike. In fact, as I often thing to
 myself, much better looking than it should considering it's built up almost
 entirely from second-hand accumulation.

 And finally, something (IMO) so cliched (no offense intended) I thought I'd
 _never_ do, before, well..., getting my own put together, the flickr photo
 set http://www.flickr.com/photos/47116230@N00/sets/7215762685182/.

 Best regards  hats off to Grant P,
 -Allan

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[RBW] Re: Foss Tubes

[Way Rebb]

The blue tape is rim liner.  I took off the old liner, cleaned up the
rim a bit and put on the new. Besides being a really nice shade of
blue I figured it's all engineered to work together (and engineers
don't do goofy things).

I even looked around the net a bit before I bought them which led to
their web site which had an installation manual.

http://www.foss.com.tw/default.php?language=_eng

Regards,
Ray

On Sep 23, 12:15 pm, Michael Hechmer mhech...@gmail.com wrote:
 OK, I now have the right size tube in my possession, but am still perplexed
 about what to do with the role of two sided tape.  What have others done -
 glued it to the rim tape, replaced the rim tape, glued it to the inside of
 the tire, created another dust catcher on a shelf, or tossed it out?

 michael,
 keeping the rubber side down and the sunny side up

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[RBW] Re: Foss Tubes

[Way Rebb]

Oops, I meant to put a smily thing or an LOL after the engineer
comment. :)

On Sep 23, 6:43 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:
 Engineers don't do goofy things, but then they hand it off to the marketing
 department...









 On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 6:41 PM, Way Rebb grayc...@mac.com wrote:
  The blue tape is rim liner.  I took off the old liner, cleaned up the
  rim a bit and put on the new. Besides being a really nice shade of
  blue I figured it's all engineered to work together (and engineers
  don't do goofy things).

  I even looked around the net a bit before I bought them which led to
  their web site which had an installation manual.

 http://www.foss.com.tw/default.php?language=_eng

  Regards,
  Ray

  On Sep 23, 12:15 pm, Michael Hechmer mhech...@gmail.com wrote:
   OK, I now have the right size tube in my possession, but am still
  perplexed
   about what to do with the role of two sided tape.  What have others done
  -
   glued it to the rim tape, replaced the rim tape, glued it to the inside
  of
   the tire, created another dust catcher on a shelf, or tossed it out?

   michael,
   keeping the rubber side down and the sunny side up

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 improving their taste than from improving their performance.* - RTMS

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[RBW] Re: Heinous Goatheads - Re-learning Old Lessons

[Way Rebb]

I've had a rough few months with flats from goatheads, after no flats
for over a year.  They squeak in though the sidewall of the Supremes.
I just put on a pair of Foss, rim liners and all, not for flat
protection, but ease of patching.  I retired several well patched
tubes and carry no spare.  I will soon see how well that works.  In 10
years I hope to have two well patched Foss tubes.

Regards,
Ray

On Sep 19, 6:55 pm, jimD rasterd...@comcast.net wrote:
 My epic tube patching fest continues.
 Normally when I get a flat I can track down the puncture patch it and be done 
 with the ordeal.
 I forgot that this doesn't apply when one rides through a patch of goatheads.
 I rode througha patch about a week ago and have been working on three tubes 
 ever since.
 One is now holding air, two are still flat, I've run out of einstein patches. 
 The tubes are covered in buboes
 from all the patches I've used.

 A while back I lived and rode in Albuquerque and learned that if I rode 
 through a patch of goatheads the best
 practice was to throw the tubes away. I should  have done that with these but 
 this has become a 'tool time' sort
 of challenge. I ordered more patches.
 The struggle continues.
 sigh,
 JimD

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[RBW] Re: Great American Bike Tour 1975

[Way Rebb]

I liked the music, typical 70s film music that nobody ever bought or
listened but Hollywood loved to use for cheesy movies.

From the bike fit section I tried the forearm (saddle to handle bars)
measure on the Hillborne and came up way short, about four inches,
barely reached the stem.  Interesting thing, I've been thinking of
trying a shorter stem. MIght be something to that.  I've read a
zillion different ways to fit a bike.  Is the way I have it
comfortable or optimal or am I just used to it, I dunno.

On Sep 5, 6:33 am, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote:
 A fun an interesting video with Rivish content--Brooks saddles,
 Pletscher racks, Rivish bike fitting and fashion. The rear disc brake
 on the bikes is interesting. Enjoy!

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k10233DdFi0

 --mike

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[RBW] Re: So...sick...of...flats....UGH!

[Way Rebb]

Those goat heads are a mean plant.  I think Marathon Pluses with about
4 or 5 Mr Tuffies inside and the rest filled with cement would give a
person a fighting chance.  Even then it might be iffy.

-Ray

On Aug 31, 5:26 pm, jinxed hbcl...@yahoo.com wrote:
 There are 5 bicycles hanging in the garage. There is *one tire* with air in
 it.

 My last 3 trips on the Hilsen have seen no fewer than 2 punctures per trip.
 All caused by goat heads.

 I think I am going to finally bite the bullet and pick up a set of
 Marathons. I have seen evidence of a 700 x 47 (41 actual) Marathon
 (Supreme??) on a Hilsen that would be stellar. I like the big meat on the
 hoops off road. Unfortunately the widest I see searching the web is 40
 nowbummer.

 There seems to be some pretty lofty praise on the Marathons being as anti
 flat as is available. From what I gather, the Supreme is the, well,
 supreme?

 Anyone gone the Foss route yet?

 The previous players:

 Sealants:
 True Goo - worked for a month, then stopped.
 Slime - slowed the leak a little then created a huge mess in the tire.
 Caffe Latex - worked for @ 2 months, then clogged the valve.

 Tires:
 700x37 Pasela TG.
 700x42 IRC Slick XC.
 700x32 Conti Twister Pro.
 700x35 Schwalbe Delta Cruisers with puncture protection.

 These tires excelled in different areas, but on the roads/path I take most
 often they all suffered the dreaded goat head rapture (rupture?) about
 equally.

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[RBW] New Bike? Sure feels like one!

[Way Rebb]

Hillborne spoke.

With nary a drop of uncertainty in his voice Hillborne thundered,
Change the flippin' chain you FOOL.  So I did and all was well,
right?

Nay!  Hillborne thrashed and sputtered and ground to a halt, gleefully
reveling in my dumbfounded pout. You will WALK to the LBS and buy a
new cassette.  I will not budge an inch further.  And so I did.  All
was well, right?

Humbug! Did I not mention the middle chain ring?, Hillborne mocked
while my legs whirled pathetically, anticipation melting from my
face.   And I did that too.  Now all was well, right…maybe?

I hesitated then gave a slight push on the pedal.  Hillborne responded
with a slight motion forward.  Another push on the pedal, another
motion forward then another and another rapidly gaining speed as
Hillborne, now soothed and quietly humming along, responding to each
shift effortlessly, looked up and said, Dude, get a life.
 
The End

http://www.flickr.com/photos/wrebb/sets/72157627362766465/

Regards,
Ray

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[RBW] Re: The bike collection (or hoard?)

[Way Rebb]

Now I feel bad.

Since I gave the 84 Lotus away I have the Hillborne and..uh..er...a 27
inch wheel, a couple of tires, 3 or 4 old brake pads, some ball
bearings and tools.

That Hillborne is probably the most useful thing I own but my mission
in the next 10 years:  amass one or two more bikes, maybe even all
Hillbornes, who knows!

Regards,
Ray

On Jun 22, 6:31 am, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote:
 After reviewing this thread I don't feel so bad about owning 5 bikes.
 At some point the CC will go, hopefully to make room for a mountain
 bike or a Bike Friday.

 --mike

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[RBW] Re: HS

[Way Rebb]

I'm thinking it's the the Rohloff equipped lugged Pedersen type bike
everyone's been wildly speculating about.

On Jun 17, 4:55 pm, Pondero cj.spin...@gmail.com wrote:
 Let the speculation begin...

 http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/knothole_post/365

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[RBW] Re: You have received a YouTube video!

[Way Rebb]

Nice video, you're getting good at putting these together.  I enjoyed
watching.  That ride would be a three, maybe four, day trip for me. :)

Regards,
Ray

On May 23, 11:19 am, Eric Norris campyonly...@me.com wrote:
 Saw several other riders on Rivs on this year's Davis Double, including 
 another rider on a pretty green Riv Road Standard.

 Here's my video of the ride:

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDjrxtbDi8Usns=em

 --Eric Norris
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[RBW] Re: Marathon Supreme Input please

[Way Rebb]

I've used the Supremes (35s) for 1.5 years now.   With the other tires
the first flat got a nice laugh from the folks at work: Don't you
love bikes? HaHa, by the third flat they weren't laughing anymore:
g, is this gonna be a habit?!.  Put on Supremes and voila...no
more flats on the commute.  Since you are going from Marathon Plus to
Supreme I think adjectives like lively and plush can be used to
describe the Supremes.  Bike handling descriptions really depends on
ones perspective...anyhow, I'd like to try the Duremes but the
Supremes have a lot if life left.

On May 16, 7:39 am, Mitch Browne mitch.bro...@gmail.com wrote:
 Currently commute daily 16 miles round trip on my 58 Atlantis with
 47mm Schwalbe Marathon Plus tires.  I've been pretty happy with the
 Schwalbes and have them on an XO-1 26x1.25 , Expedition, and Miyata
 1000 700x32's mostly for lazy flat protection.

 I've ordered a set of long board fenders that won't accomodate the
 47's. I am trying to decide on 700x35 or 700x40 Marathon Supremes for
 the summer at least. I like the bigger  tires since I fear no root,
 rock, or limb on my mostly flat ride in.

 I want to order the Supremes this week, can anyone share their
 personal experience?

 Mitch
 San Luis Obispo, CA

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[RBW] Re: Lay-aways

[Way Rebb]

I've never understood why lay away is more appealing than saving up
for something.

Of course in my case I never actually buy what I save up for.  For
example I recently saved up for another Hillborne. I figured I could
leave the big racks, bags, baskets on and be ready for vacations
(tours), trip to farmers market, anywhere I might need to haul stuff.
When I reached the Hillborne goal I thought hey just a little more
and I can get a Hunqapillar, that might be a more rugged tough stuff
hauler type bike. When I reached that goal I thought hey just save a
little more and I can get the Atlantis that might be the ultimate..
And as I reached that goal I thought hey with this money I can get
both a Hillborne AND a 21 iMac.  I didn't buy either but I thought
hey just a little more and I can get a custom. But why? There would
be nothing custom about it, probably just a Sam Hunq-a-pilson with
front brake cabling on the right.  Saving up is way to confusing.

-Ray

On Mar 1, 10:43 am, Pondero cj.spin...@gmail.com wrote:
 http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news_post/335

 Okay, how many read this and immediately thought, Hmmm(insert new
 bike dream here), 20% down would be...and remainder divided by 7
 equals...?

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[RBW] Re: Do we need a Hillborne Flickr group?

[Way Rebb]

Nice to see a Hillborne group. I added a few photos.  Some didn't show
up but those were the first few photos I uploaded to Flickr and don't
seem to show up anywhere except my own little space.   Maybe I have to
re-upload those.

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[RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18

[Way Rebb]

Wow this thread has jumped all over the place but back to cars and
bikes...

What I find irritating are the too polite motorists.  They will wave
me through a 4 way stop when it is their turn to go.  They will stop
and wave me across three other lanes of busy traffic as if everyone
will stop because they did.  I want to yell at these people just
drive. I'm trying to follow the same rules they are and calculate my
position in a much faster flow of traffic. I suppose they never know
what a bicycle will do.  I've seen plenty of bicycle riders and
cyclists do strange things.

So...Drivers, when it is your turn to go at a stop sign please go,
slowly if you want, but please go.  And don't try to squeeze by me at
stop signs because I didn't take the entire lane and left you with a
tiny fraction of a micron you think you can fit into.  Just pretend I
am in a car because I will beat you across the intersection anyway and
your life won't be slowed down the slightest.

-Ray

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[RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18

[Way Rebb]

Some of us use bikes as a primary means of transportation.
Transportation involved going to places you may not really want to get
to (jury duty, dentist appointments, etc) with varying levels of being
late.I don't believe transportation is chosen on the fun factor,
cars are just the default.  Judging by the people who arrive at work
exhausted from traffic I certainly enjoy my ride to work more.
Judging by the people who made a fuss about orbiting around finding a
parking spot at jury duty, I certainly enjoyed my bike/BART ride to
the Hayward courtroom more.

The fun factor is only a part of the reason I use a bike.  Other
reasons are I've saved literally thousands of dollars, which is
reflected in my bank account, by not driving.  Although I've donated
$0 directly to oil companies I have donated $bazillions in taxes for
freeways; to huge military projects to protect the oil fields; to
police, fire, clean up crews that have to respond to pile ups etc.
This cheap oil is terribly expensive.

Let's fund cheap oil the way we fund schools and people will be on
bikes soon enough.

-Ray

On Jan 19, 7:39 am, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:
 The best post of this thread! I agree: if it's not fun, why do it? Too
 much modern neo-puritanism out there already.

 Tho' kudos to those who ride in snow and *enjoy* it.





 On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 8:10 AM, Kelly Sleeper tkslee...@gmail.com wrote:
  and then there is organized bike rides that have 100's of people driving
  many miles to ride a bike a short distance then drive back home.  In St
  Louis, Mo Trailnet has one of these type rides weekly.  I would wager a
  single weekend ride here wipes out all the progress the comuters make in one
  day. Not saying don't comute, just saying I don't see cycling as green. It's
  entertainment for most folks or exercise but also an excuse / reason to
  drive thier cars many more miles.

  Cycling has many uses and is wonderful .. but riding just for green reasons
  is or would be weak for me.   I ride because I like riding.

  Kelly

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[RBW] Re: And now ... Video

[Way Rebb]

Bravo! Well done.

On Jan 16, 6:25 pm, Eric Norris campyonly...@me.com wrote:
 From yesterday's steel/leather/wool/friction-shifting ride on the CA coast:

 http://campyonlyguy.blogspot.com/

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[RBW] Re: cycling panda.

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Great photo set.  You talked me into it too, I'm trying a basket.

I am on my 4th front bag (a little loafer this time) and although they
are all excellent well made bags they all come with their own
problems: can't mount lights to handle bar, can't use pockets due to
shifter cables, hands tangled in cords attached to brakes etc.  Maybe
the little loafer (my favorite) inside a basket, that might work.

-Ray

On Jan 15, 11:00 pm, manueljohnacosta manueljohnaco...@hotmail.com
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 2 years. Same picture. Different story every time.

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/mannyacosta/sets/72157625833740246/

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[RBW] Re: Goals for 2011:

[Way Rebb]

I am planning to clean the drive train regularly.  I cleaned it
Saturday and it was a mess.  Huge chunks of gloppy stuff flying off
the cassette, caked on stuff scrapped off the derailleur cogs etc.
Deep down I knew the cassette was shinny silver and not dull black but
I didn't realize how shinny. I was also surprised to see the chain has
shiny bits in it.

So...instead of the whenever I think about it schedule I will clean
it every so often.  That may do the trick.

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Vindicated Once Again

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Zip tied duct tape mud flaps half way through their second winter
(okay a No Cal winter):

http://www.flickr.com/photos/wrebb/5289538488/

A good rugged bike deserves good rugged mud flaps.  Of course if this
was a custom or a Betty I'd use Monster Tape, but duct tape is plenty
good for the Hillborne.  :)

-Ray

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[RBW] Re: Riding posture - advice appreciated

[Way Rebb]

I agree with Dave Minyard.  I have (had) a similar bend in the back.
Certain Yoga postures/stretches, particularly stretching and keeping
the hamstrings loose and pliable, really help with bending at the
pelvis.  I keep my back straight when riding, not rigidly straight,
but I bend forward at the pelvis and keep my shoulders back and loose,
not hunched.  This make a long ride much more comfortable.

I also do backward bends by laying belly down on the floor and pushing
up my head and shoulders with my hands, cobra I think yoga folks call
it.  There are others but that is an easy one that works.  I think it
is important to keep the spine and muscle groups flexible.

Regards,
Ray

On Dec 20, 6:41 am, Paul Yeoh rawfoodcuis...@gmail.com wrote:
 After looking at some photos taken by Early Grey of me riding his Sam
 with drop bars (example 
 here:)http://www.flickr.com/photos/25150...@n08/5260456237/

 I noticed that I am particularly bent in the lower back. Well, no
 surprise really, I've noticed this elsewhere in my life but cycling on
 drop bars makes it really pronounced. What are the implications of
 this crooked posture? How would one go about straightening the spine
 during cycling or anything else?

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[RBW] Re: Out of the box! (some Sam double top tube pics)

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Nicely done!   Is that a 56?

I've seriously thought about a double TT orange to go with my single
TT first gen green one.  One for really heavy duty stuff, one other
for regular heavy duty stuff and one with VBreaks so I can tell them
apart.  I bet you have fun and get a lot of use out of that bike.

Regards,
Ray

On Dec 7, 2:36 am, Paul rawfoodcuis...@gmail.com wrote:
 Finally opened up the box and put the bike together. Many thanks to so
 many people who have made this happen, especially my sisters for a
 whopping birthday voucher, Gernot for planting the seed, Kip for
 watering it, Keven for organizing my order, Jay for building the bike,
 Rich for the wheels,Emil for packing it, Charlie for taking custody of
 it in Reno...

 Pics here, pardon my semi-nudity.

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/paulatwork/sets/72157625422498809/

 The bike is everything I expected (which is helluva lot). I love I
 love I love.

 Paul

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[RBW] Re: hillborne review

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On Nov 7, 9:26 pm, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote:
 Dunno if everyone saw this but my significant other pointed it out to me:

 http://lovelybike.blogspot.com/2010/11/born-for-hills-review-of-riven...

 Pretty seriously glowing review.

I really liked that review, and not just about the Hillborne either
Her description of the way she has been riding really struck home.
When I bought my bike I knew I'd ride to work and maybe around a
little but I had no idea I'd let the car sit un-started since June,
let my drivers license expire for several months, ride up and down the
CA coast, all over the Altamont hills, ride in the pouring rain and
the dead of night.   I think I am even getting lazy, I tend to ride
four blocks to the grocery store rather than walk.

A new bicycle has been the most useful thing I've bought in years.

-Ray

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[RBW] Re: VO Campagne handlebar review?

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I had the Campagne bag mounted to the front rack and thought it worked
great.  I mounted it two different ways. The first was just slide the
leather thing over the steel thing and use a toe strap to hold it to
the rack.  I was able to stuffed lots of things inside.  I think it is
mounted that way in this picture:  Inside is a spare tube, camera,
apples, nuts, glasses, maps, warm clothing etc.  It bulges out very
nicely.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/wrebb/4375751359/in/set-72157623480171652/

Since the bag got a little droopy when not full I made a wooden
platform, drilled a hole in the bag, bolted it on, and zip tied the
whole contraption to the rack:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/wrebb/4917605573/in/datetaken/

That stiffened the bottom up.  I missed the bulge factor but it made
it easier to just throw stuff into.  There was also a great spot to
carry my little pump:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/wrebb/4918208604/in/datetaken/

Eventually I needed the rack back to haul around a tent so I used the
Sackville bag rivendell sells but right now I have the Acorn
classic (as I call it) on the bike and have rack space.

What I didn't like about mounting the bag to the rack was rider side
pockets were unusable due to the shifter cables and there wasn't a lot
of room to fiddle with the elastic cord to close it.Overall there
isn't much I don't like about the bag except:  The buckles are in two
parts which is a little weird. (I think the GB bags have them also)
and the elastic cord holding it shut.  The magnet on the Riv bag is so
much better,  I may try to rig up a magnet to hold the Campagne bag
shut when it goes back on the Hillborne.

Regards,
 Ray

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 I know there have been a few discussions in this forum about the Velo
 Orange Campagne handlebar bag... Has anyone mounted it to a front
 rack, and if so, how has it worked for you?

 Thanks,
 BB

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[RBW] Re: Visit to Rivendell

[Way Rebb]

I went out there for two Irish straps and walked out with a new Brooks
saddle. Before that I walked out with a Big Rack.  Before that was
something else.  Strange thing is they didn't try to sell me any of
it.

-Ray

On Oct 13, 6:19 am, Ginz theg...@gmail.com wrote:
 Sounds like a good trip.  I innocently visted Rivendell a few months
 ago while on vacation.  Next thing I know, I ordered a Hunqapillar!
 Oops.

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[RBW] Re: good looking hunqs

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Those Hunquapillars are nice looking bikes.  The diag-a-tube looks
very natural.  If only I was a little bigger.

-Ray

On Oct 11, 6:17 pm, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote:
 I think he's on the list but I just saw this hunquapillar tonight:

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/devildotbunny/5072896097/

 This should be the one riv shows on their website b/c holy crap is
 that a gorgeous build.

 -sv

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[RBW] Seven day out-n-back.

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Hello,

I just finished up a great seven day out-n-back from SF to Monterey.
It was supposed to be a nine day loop heading one day east then south
through the California central valley with a cut over to the coast and
head up through Monterey to SF.  Day one was way to hot so I bailed on
that idea.

Instead I re-loaded the Hillborne and headed to SF where I meandered
down the coast, camping at state parks, stayed at Pigeon Point hostel
(after an aborted Big Basin run) and turned around at Sunset Beach
Monterey.  I pushed the bike over 92 (horrible road to ride a bike) to
Half Moon Bay going and took Devil's Slide coming back.  I hit Devils
Slide at 10 am and there wasn't much traffic.  I charged over at 2mph
without having to be at peace with entire world.

The Hillborne was great, I didn't have tons of stuff maybe 40 pounds
at most but the bike took the down hills smoothly and I felt in
control the entire way.  People talk about front end shimmy.  I did
feel that but only when I did weird things like stand up and lean over
the handle bars or ride with one arm and the other leg out (bike yoga)
otherwise it was steady ride.

The highlight of the trip was the other people on bikes i met along
the way.  One English couple were on the first night of their one year
around the world tour.  They had fully loaded Thorns with the Rolhoff
hubs, the super duper Trangia cooking set and a very roomy Hilleberg
tent. It sounded like a great adventure.  A french fellow was ending a
tour across the US, an Austrian couple were in the middle of a tour of
the west coast.  People doing border to border rides in both
directions and then there was me I'm just on vacation dang it! . It
was fun to see lots of Trangia stoves among the Europeans

The Hillborne generated some fun comments :  How old is that bike?,
What does the kick stand weigh?  Most people said the usual nice
bike but one fellow riding a fully loaded Lemond said Rivendell? I
hear they make great touring bikes,  yes they do!

I didn't take many pics, mostly Hillborne posed by the ocean. I have a
few posted here:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/wrebb/sets/72157624990502478/

Note the brand new B17 standard.  I retired the black Flyer Special
since the springs take up lots of saddle bag space.  The new saddle
felt great from the start and, I think, is springier that the flyer.

Regards,
Ray

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[RBW] Re: Seven day out-n-back.

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On Sep 19, 8:49 pm, doug peterson dougpn...@cox.net wrote:
 Ray:

 Congrats on a great trip  thanks for the pix.  Meeting all those
 fellow travelers shows you don't have to be on the road for a month to
 have a great time.  Everyone touring on a bike seems to have their own
 ideas on equipment, distance, routing, etc., that are endlessly
 fascinating.  College kids on hand-me-down MTBs seem to have as much
 fun as seasoned veterans on touring bikes.  It's all good; just better
 on a bike.

 dougP

I met two college age travelers who were using a souped up dolly to
pull their camping equipment. They'd been traveling that way for
several months and were nearly finished.  Amazing to see.

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[RBW] Re: Seven day out-n-back.

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On Sep 19, 9:02 pm, Allan in Portland allan_f...@aracnet.com wrote:
 What does the kick stand weigh?

 Maybe they were trying to figure out why you weren't using it? :-) I
 saw it being used in exactly two pictures, and those seemed to be the
 same scene just different angles.

 Congrats on the trip.

 Best,
 -Allan

Interesting observation.  I still prefer to lean the bike, loaded or
unloaded.  I generally use the kick stand at work, at weird bike racks
or if there isn't good lean-able space around.  Also for fixing flats,
adjusting fenders etc.

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[RBW] Re: Seven day out-n-back.

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On Sep 19, 9:39 pm, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.com wrote:

 Those considering a similar route should skip Highway 92 (which is
 indeed horrible at some points) and venture a bit south to  Tunitas
 Creek/Kings Mountain (beautiful, steep on Tunitas side) or go a little
 further south to Highway 84 (less beautiful, less steep, less
 climbing, more cars but perfectly fine for bikes). South of Highway 84
 there are more great roads off Highway 1.

I'll look into the Tunitas rout next time. I don't want to end up to
far south of Half Moon Bay.  That is generally my initial destination.
Livermore to Half Moon Bay is a good days ride (with BART to SF or
Millbrae).  Maybe I can pick up 84 over here, wind through the hills
and head north to HMB.

Devils slide is really what I want to avoid.  I have heard about a
mystery off road type rout around it and think I passed the southern
end on my way back but I don't know where to pick up going south.

Regards,
Ray

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[RBW] Life's little epics

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I've been mildly bummed that I haven't taken my epic 10 year journey
around the earth on a solid steel three speed from the fifties.

When these moments of misery wash over me I think back on all the
great little rides I do manage to squeak in.  Five hours here, eight
hours there plus the normal daily rides to work, coffee shops, post
office all the while looking down at a nice green bicycle designed and
put together by a small local company about 30 miles up the road.  I
think about all the great people I've met, those on bicycles and those
off bicycles (who say they'd like to be on one but...) and then I know
today is a great day to go for a bike ride.

Okay enough silly philostopher stuff. What I did was put together a
little photo essay about last weekend's ride.  Pretty typical weekend
that has become so routine I can't appreciate it as other do when they
say you rode there on a bicycle?.  Yes, people say that for even
these little dinky (to me) rides.

Saturday was a little shopping trip from Livermore to Dublin to
Pleasanton farmers market and back to Livermore.  Sunday was a ride
over Altamont Pass Road to Tracy and back.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/wrebb/sets/72157624658476139/

Regards,
 Ray

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[RBW] Re: Life's little epics

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Michael,

The tape is cloth tape, silver, with three or four coats of garnet
shellac applied over a year ago. It is getting a nice patina now.

The HB bag felt different for about the first 10 minutes.  Now I don't
even notice.  I used the VO bag mounted to the front rack for quite a
while.  That also felt different at first but I couldn't access the
pockets and fastening the latch was awkward. That was due to the way I
mounted it.  The decalleur would have been better but I would have to
take to much of the bike apart.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/wrebb/4918208604/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/wrebb/4917605573/

I love the magnet closure on the Sackville bag and the side pockets
are easy to access, being handle bar level,  Last century I used a
Kirtland mounted high and have never noticed negative handling
characteristics.  I'd say the handed is fine.

Tomatos ride in the saddle bag and are packed pretty tightly with the
onions and peppers and a bunch of other stuff. They survive the ride
with a nice tomato flavor.

Regards,
 Ray

On Aug 22, 3:56 pm, MichaelH mhech...@gmail.com wrote:
 Three questions, Ray.
 How do you like the leather HB tape?
 Does having a HB bag that hi up affect the bike handling?
 How do you get tomatoes home a bike without them getting all banged
 up?

 Michael
 in cool, rainy Westford, VT

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell as a beater bike?

[Way Rebb]

 Just curious of how others treat their
 rivendells? Are they really used to their full potential? Or locked
 away shameless in the garage because of their face value?

 -Manny

My Hillborne certainly isn't a beater.  A beater implies I have a
special occasion bike around.  Fortunately since the Hillborne is the
only bike I own it gets to haul me wherever I go (I've only driven
three times this year so far).  It can stay locked up outside malls,
movie theaters, hardware stores, post offices;  leaned against
buildings while I run inside for some coffee or a sandwich; take me up
and down the coast or leisurely rides to nowhere and still avoid the
beater tag.  I only like to own one of something (banjo, lamp,
computer, bike, vacuum etc) but that one is usually pretty good.

-Ray

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[RBW] Re: double-top-tube hillborne sighted in wild

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 See many non-parallel double top tubes Out In The World?

snip

I saw many weirdly shaped aluminum bikes but the few steel non-
parallel bikes I saw were the rickshaw variety.  I was interesting
being countries where bicycle racks overflow with bicycles.  All the
bikes had a well used look, baskets or milk crates attached, extra
seats bolted on, parts missing,  brushed paint jobs, rusty chains and
gears.  I can only aspire to that kind of use.  They all pedal free
and wear whatever.  Riv's latest bikes right on target I think
(whatever that means) .

Regards,
-Ray

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[RBW] Re: double-top-tube hillborne sighted in wild

[Way Rebb]

It's the rear brake cable guide that will divide us!  :)

I saw quite a few double top tubes in Asia (Flying Pigeon, Raleigh),
they don't see that unusual anymore.  I bet you have a lot of fun with
that one.  Wonder how I can swing a new Hillborne? (but, but, but,
it's over a year old...and the chain in dirty...)

-Ray

On Jul 2, 4:34 am, Thomas Lynn Skean thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net
wrote:
 Oh, hi! Yes, your wonderful pictures were the ones which made me expect the 
 fender boss. Excellent pictures! One's on the RBW site, I believe.

 Well, I do hope there isn't any internecine squabbling. Waterford, Taiwan... 
 brake bridge fender boss, no brake bridge fender boss... green, orange... it 
 should not divide us! We can maintain good relations despite our cultural 
 differences. After all, aren't they all true Hillbornes at the core? East, 
 west... this makes no difference!

 Surely we know... It's the number of top tubes that really matters!

 :)

 Yours,
 Thomas Lynn Skean

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[RBW] Re: double-top-tube hillborne sighted in wild

[Way Rebb]

I don't see anyhing missing that isn't on my SH.  I do see a welded on
rear cable guide in the back.  That is something different.

On Jun 30, 8:28 am, Thomas Lynn Skean thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net
wrote:
 Okay, it's a contest. There's no prize for being first, no shame in
 never finishing. A no drop contest, if you will.

 Does anyone notice what's missing from the frameset?


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[RBW] Re: Since we're talking about rides tomorrow..

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It's nice you can nickname your bike Louise.

I tried to call my bike Suzie for a while but knowing it was already
a Sam Hillborne put a squash on that idea.  Then I thought Sam really
meant Samantha but that was way to many syllables: sa-man-tha-hill-
borne.  So I gave up and now I just call it bicycle. :)

On Jun 11, 6:32 pm, Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com wrote:
 I'll be taking Louise, my Rambouillet, from Prattville to ...

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[RBW] Re: Diagonapillar blueprints revealed

[Way Rebb]

Double top tubes seem fairly common here in Singapore.  I've see quite
a few.  Many are old and made by Raleigh. They all seem to have seen
years of use. People just ride them to get where they are going.
Rivendell may have a more world view of bikes.  I like the way they
look and seem to take a beating.

Here is a link to some of the more colorful ones.  Note the diagonal
second top tube:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/wrebb/sets/72157623997048470/

Who knows, maybe there is a bright yellow Hillborne in my future. :)

-Ray

On May 3, 9:17 pm, rob markwardt robmar...@hotmail.com wrote:
  I once thought Rivendell bikes were ugly and look at me now... like we say 
  in Venezuela... ¡Nunca
  digas que de esta agua no beberé!

   And I, like usual, find myself thinking the opposite...saying that
 without knowing spanish, but longing for the pre-double-toptube days.

 No disrespect intended,
 Rob Markwardt

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[RBW] Re: My old Hillborne

[Way Rebb]

Thank you all for the kind words.

It was fun putting the post together. I'm not a real big internet
gabber but I've been following this groups adventures for a couple of
months and figured what the heck.  I think the bike is about
finished.  Very reliable low maintenance transportation which is what
I was looking for...although  I might go back to smaller bags in
summer, or maybe a bigger rack in back that I could really lash stuff
to with some big fat tires, or maybe change it all to baskets and try
to find an orange fork to put on or...

Regards,
 Ray

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[RBW] My old Hillborne

[Way Rebb]

Hello,

You folks seem like a fun group who might enjoy this.  I thought I'd
share some pics of my old Sam Hillborne…but first a story…no wait,
the pics, skip the story:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/wrebb/sets/72157623480171652/

Way back in 1982 or '83 I purchased a brand spanking new Lotus Eclair
touring bike in Santa Cruz, CA.  That bike served me well for many
years.  I don't know how many miles I put on it (tons) but I used it
for school, work, grocery stores, camping, tearing through the hills,
the valleys, rain or shine.  I didn't take long tours but did ride
every major, and most minor, roads/trails in Santa Cruz / Monterey
Counties probably a zillion times.

Fast forward 25 years to my recent move to Livermore, CA.  This place
is flat.  Poor old bike couldn't take that much pedaling and neither
could I.  We were used to standing and charging up hills or getting
low, butt back, flying down hills, very little long stretches where we
just pedaled.  Now, the bent chainring squawked, the bent rear
derailed squawked, my knees hurt after 30 miles or so, my neck hurt,
shoulders, bleah. After many adjustments and attempts to make the
endless pedaling more comfortable I decided I needed a new bike.
Naturally I went to a bicycle store.   Unfortunately very few of the
things they had with two wheels resembled a bicycle. I decided to hit
garage sales and flea markets.  Not much there either.  The bikes were
really beat up or aluminum mountain bikes or etc.  I wanted a steel
touring bike, one that I could put racks, bags, bungee cords on and
haul stuff.

Suddenly I remembered this web site I visited.  I had purchased a
couple of things in the past and I think they sold a bike called a…
umm… Atlantic maybe?  It took a while to find it but it was
Rivendell.  I saw they had the Hilsen.  It was almost what I was
looking for except it didn't have cantilevers.   It made number 2 on
my list.  The Kogswell made number 2 on my list as did a couple of
others but nothing made number 1 so far.  After about four more months
of garage sales I saw Rivendell announce the Hillborne. A bike between
the Hilsen and Atlantis with cantilevers!  Finally a strong possible
number 1.

In Dec 08 I took a ride out to Walnut Creek.  My first visit to
Rivendell and I was impressed.  Very friendly people and seeing the
bikes in person was awe inspiring!   The one Hillborne was out but
Kevin kept adjusting seat posts and saying here try this one
(Atlantis),  here try this one (Bombadill), here try this one (Hilsen)
until the Hillborne was back. I think I spent the entire day riding up
and down the trail with a huge smile on my face. When I got back on
the Lotus to ride home I immediately knew what was wrong.  The Lotus
was way to small.  It was like riding a circus tricycle.

I put a deposit on a Hillborne that day and picked it up in June of
'09 and have been riding ever since with no pain.  The Hillborne feels
like a luxury bike I can really stretch out on.  It takes the flats,
hills, streams, roads, ruts, fence posts, everything like butter on a
duck.

The pictures sorta document the first six months and they are fun for
me to look back on.  I'm surprised by how many places I've been with
the bike considering how little free time I have.  It hasn't been just
back and forth to work.  Bikes are a great way to get around and a
comfortable bike is even better.  Thank you for putting up with my
story.

-Ray

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