Re: [RBW] Winter Riding Pants
I concur. -JimD (in sunny Santa Clara, Ca.) On Oct 18, 2014, at 3:56 PM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: When it drops below 60F, I stay inside! Brrr On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 3:55 PM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote: High of 45 IS indian summer. Grin. With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Cheers, David Member, Supreme Council of Cyberspace it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Pikes Peak Highway, First Attempt
Good on ya Deacon! And Andy could write copy for the Patagonia catalog - great description of adventuring. -JimD On Oct 16, 2014, at 2:42 AM, ascpgh asc@gmail.com wrote: Very good. Not at all about turning about before summiting, but rather having a complete assessment of the objective that includes the valuable retreat with assets intact. In the late '80s, my friend and I saw a sign at Lake San Cristobal, near Lake City, CO, that proclaimed Silverton 27 miles and accepted the challenge as a lunch ride, leaving the truck at the parking lot of a hotel. There was no lunch, Cinnamon Pass ate it and Engineer Pass made sure dinner was in danger too. Spent the night in Silverton so beaten by the ride that we opted for a road retreat around the mountain, first to Durango (met Ned Overend at Ed Zink's Moutain Bike Specialists), then up Wolf Creek Pass and back up the Rio Grande to Spar City. A debt for the hubris upon which we acted. We were spared from the full cost of our overestimations on the climb out of Pagosa Springs where a Creede local recognized us and took us the rest of the way. The best adventures are those you finish on your own terms and may tell of to others, not those you only finish. Great pictures and description of the magnitude of effect the wind can present. Andy Cheatham Pittsburgh On Wednesday, October 15, 2014 4:08:43 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote: My brain was a no-go yesterday and I was reflecting on how there is no substitute for being out riding or running or camping. Nothing approximates and one of those things, let alone the combo of bikepacking. So it was with elation that I woke this morning to clear skies and happy brain and headed down from our house to the Pikes Peak Highway turn-off to climb back up again. Wow! Did it feel good to be pedaling my way up the highway. Early on after the toll booth I switched to my low gear of 32-22 on the flip-flop side. The ride to Crystal Reservoir is steady climbing but relatively easy as it's in the woods, protected mostly from the wind, and still at the altitudes I ride frequently (8-10,000 feet). Things got interesting a bit after the halfway point (9.5 miles). The road was much more exposed to the wind, and it was steady at 30 mph with gusts to 40. The grade of the road was such that I may have been able to ride it sitting down without wind, but it would have been pushing it. Of course, standing make me a huge wall for the wind to blow against, trying heartily to send to backwards downhill. The next three miles to Glen Cove were very challenging. I stopped about ever half mile or so for a mini-breather, kicking into high-altitude climbing mode 3-4 miles before I figured I would. There was brief respite from the wind on occasional short sections of switchbacks, and I made it up these with relative ease, so perhaps on a less windy day that estimate would hold. I steadily made it to Glen Cove, 7 miles shy the summit. Of course those seven are likely doubly harder than the previous 12.5. Being near treeline, there was nothing to stop the wind, and the direction of the highway was mostly into its teeth. I tried standing pedaling and was able to inch my way forward. That, and me being wimpy, all combined to make the decision to turn around an easy one. The descent. Sublime. Wow. Smooth, curved flowing road. Amazing! Then I caught up with a vehicle and had to slow way, way down. On a straight-away I was able to pass, and did this several times. Passed bike tourists on the we drive you up, you bike down tour. The support van driver had cheered me on on the way up (in a good, didn't startle me way). The 4 mile section from the base of the PPH is a very familiar 4 miles of gentle climbing I usually do in 40-16t. Since I was already in that from the descent, I decided to stay in it and see how I did, to get a benchmark of if I was out of shape, or if the wind was a big factor. I had a headwind back, but rode it with ease. Hopefully that bodes well for the next time I give this a go, which I look forward to doing! https://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/sets/72157648378500158/ With abandon, Patrick www.MindYourHeadCoop.org www.OurHolyConception.org -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr
Re: [RBW] The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread
...what Bill said! -JimD On Aug 8, 2014, at 2:41 PM, Bill Lindsay tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: Don't hold your breath. Jan doesn't ride a Rivendell (even though he still owns one), and Jan knows that bike weight doesn't matter anywhere near as much as people think. Grant also knows that handwringing over bike weight is a pointless exercise. He doesn't know what his bike(s) weigh, doesn't care, knows it doesn't matter, and is busy doing things that are less pointless to him than weighing his bike(s). Me though, I don't mind being pointless. I weighed my road bike. My budget Roadeo: Frameset: Black Mountain Cycles 59cm, cane creek threadless headset wheels: Open pro 32 hole, ultegra rear, WTB front, vintage Dura Ace skewers, 12-25 9sp cassette, 700x32 challenge Eroica tires drivetrain: White Ind VBC cranks 44/30, White steel BB, Ultegra SPDs, Dura Ace F+R ders, DT shifters, SRAM chain components: flite saddle, ritchey alloy seatpost, noodle bars, civia bryant stem, Dia compe 610 centerpull brakes, paul funky monkey hangers, tektro levers, newbaums tape extras: alloy crane bell, gran compe ciclo ENE front rack, two king cages 23.5lbs On Friday, August 8, 2014 1:40:51 PM UTC-7, lungimsam wrote: ...still waiting for Jan Heine and Grant Petersen company to chime in on this...c'mon now y'all...join in on the fun... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Do you ride your drop bars above, at, or below saddle height on your Rivbikes?
I put my noodles at the same height as my saddle. -JimD On Aug 5, 2014, at 11:21 PM, Ken Mattina ken.matt...@gmail.com wrote: I put my handlebars about 2cm above my saddle. Ken On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 11:11 PM, Cyclofiend Jim cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote: Pretty much at. Mostly manage to wear out the bar tape pretty evenly, so I guess it's at a useful spot for my riding... ;^) - Jim / cyclofiend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Where did the spring go? Where did my hormones go? Where did my energy go? Where did my go go? Where did the pleasure go? Where did my hair go? -- Ray Davies -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Tagua nut'tons
Deacon gets the best sentence of the day award for: My experience with Tagua nut'tons is they're nuts as a button. That's not nuts. -JimD On Jul 26, 2014, at 12:27 PM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote: My experience with Tagua nut'tons is they're nuts as a button. They do not have a long life. I've embraced this reality and have a fairly eclectic set of replacement buttons on my shirts. My only rule is no unicorns or rainbows. I got a flower though. Grin. https://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/13974734143/in/photolist- With abandon, Patrick On Saturday, July 26, 2014 12:48:08 PM UTC-6, AaronY wrote: Hey Gang, The tagua nut buttons on my MUSA shirt keep breaking. I've replaced them with other tagua nut buttons, but still they break. I'm about ready to go back to good old reliable plastic buttons, but does anyone have another suggestion for a button that a classy hobo might use? Thanks, Aaron Stay Classy, San Diego Young The Dalles, OR -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] QR question
The horse has been beaten enough that it is now dead. -JimD -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Riv Owner Qualifications
Ha!!! On Jun 24, 2014, at 4:04 AM, justinaug...@gmail.com wrote: Unless you own the company you're not a Rivendell Owner. -J -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Under-biking the Saluki
First there were country bikes - then there were logging bikes. On Jun 24, 2014, at 4:51 AM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote: Fantastic, Tony! Your Saluki is looking a wee bit like those old Australian outback sheep sheerer bikes! Strap on your bed roll and you're all set. Grin. For compact carrying and amazing sawing power, I love my Silky Saw Big Boy 2000. Though the blade is only 14, it's truly amazing the diameter of tree or log I can cut with this folding saw (I've done 18-20 diameters). I take it for trail work when there are downed trees. It's also how I would have cut down the standing tree you used the axe on (though it's always fun to use the axe too!). It takes some learning so you are using wedges or the working with the wood's own weight to keep the saw from binding (cut on the side that will fall away from the saw). http://www.silkysaws.com/Silky_Saws/Folding-Curved_2 With abandon, Patrick On Monday, June 23, 2014 10:26:21 PM UTC-6, Tony DeFilippo wrote: I think I found an edge of my own personal envelope where the Saluki is involved on Sunday... not that it wasn't up to the task but I think this was a bit of a stretch. To be fair I had just re-built my MB-5 with Bosco's and 2.1 knobbies to use for this purpose but ended up loaning the bike out to a buddies son who needed it for a Boy Scout ride over the same weekend. So anyway, I decided to try and make the Saluki into an off-road axe/saw hauling utility vehicle to access some family property in Winchester VA. I'm hoping to spend alot more time up there in the next couple years and think a dedicated off road bike (dare I say fat bike?!?) is in my future. Bottom line was I didn't bring the 4wd vehicle so I was either riding or hiking in. I particularly wanted to finally demo the sweet Hultsfor Bruk American Felling Axe I picked up off the list a month or so ago but hadn't gotten any use out of it and my 36 bow saw. Yes that's surly junk straps and old toe clip straps holding the axe and bow saw on. I'm not endorsing or suggesting anyone else try this! I will be doing some more garage work to figure out a better, safer and more secure way to mount these things for the next iteration (and probably on a knobbier tired bike w/out fenders). It did, however, get the job done. My 'ride' out to the site I was working on is less than 1.5 miles and there was so much mud early and then hill after that I hike-a-biked most of it. The way back was easier to ride... I'm amazed how difficult I find starting up off-road hills from a dead stop. It is very disconcerting to have so much trouble getting the bike moving! Evidence of axe work (you'll just see the Bruks in the left picture against the far tree trunk. I had never chopped down a tree before today and so I can't really review the axe with any authority, but it seemed to do its job exceptionally well. I much preferred it for the big tasks than using my Fiskars X15 chopper. These two trees were standing dead pines that are adjacent to a semi-permanent campsite I'm putting in. I limbed both and stripped the bark and I'm hoping to go back and process them further to use in some construction projects! My Saluki and my dog (named Knish) at the platform that will eventually hold a shed and covered deck combo. On the way out I walked the bike, rolling it on the edges of this morass... what a mess. On the way back I carried the bike as best I could which worked better. The mud was so thick and has alot of clay so it really sticks good. The mud eventually jammed up the fenders and brakes as you can see a bit here. I need Riv to make a lugged, long-tail, fat/mid-fat tired bike that can haul outdoor tools and some firewood! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Riv steel tube wall thicknesses? Proprietary or public?
I've been bemused by the tube thread. Years ago I had a religious devotion to Reynolds 531 cause that was da bomb. I think tube fascination can be amplified. My vote is to give the butts and wall thickness in microns. so a 0.8 mm wall becomes 800 microns. Maybe even add some tolerance so 800 um +/- 8 um. Such precision should keep the wheels of feeds and speeds turning for another generation. -JimD ...and I guess I should add - ;) On Jun 19, 2014, at 11:45 PM, grant grant...@gmail.com wrote: Nothing's proprietary here. Related to that, about 25 years ago the Eddy Merckx brochure listed specs for everything on the frames except head tube angle, which was proprietary. The same era Gios frames listed frame sizes 48 thru 64, and every head and seat tube angle was 75 degrees. A while back we showed the new SILVER tube specs on cardboard. Tubing wall thicknesses matter at some level--if they're too thin, that's bad. It's really hard to derive anything useful from them. How much less does a 100mm length of 0.7 weigh than 0.8? Not much, and when you look at the meager gains in weight savings and the significant (I'd say, not everybody would) gains in strength, it's a good argument to go to 1.0, even. The new SILVER tubeset, which I haven't said much about because bragging about it makes it sound like I don't like normal butted tubes, and that's far, far off---but the SILVER is a single-butted tube. The downtube is 1.1 at the top end, has a long 70mm taper, and has an 0.8mm belly and no but (is 0.8) at the oppo-end. Somebody who doesn't get tubes would say single-butting is a short-cut. To my way of thinking, it's super smart and better (but not dramatically). You get 1.1 in the stressed area behind the head tube. The belly is 0.8, to resist twisting (talking about it overemphasizes it) and dents (more important if the bike falls over). THe 0.8 at the bb end is on the thin side, but this is a super low-stress area. The long butt on a long tube allows us to spec butt length according to frame size. This is a theoretical plus but a practical big nothing--- It would be easy to say, We leave the butt long on big frames, cut it short on smallies, but that doesn't account for light tallies or short stockies. The controversial 2TT is a better way to upstrength the big frames, far more effective than a thicker tube. More heavy too, but another 7oz or so, I don't care. I looked at the weight savings of long vs short butts, and it was like--a fraction of an OUNCE. At that point, forget it. Leave 'em long. Sometimes people ask what BRAND of tube we use, and if I'm in a bad mood (twice only in many years), I replied with Tell me what you know about Columbus SL vs Reynolds 531 vs Tange Prestige. Usually people know labels, not metallurgy. All the tube makers make good tubes, but a good tube is no guarantee of a good joint or frame. Years ago I'd have spend time on the spreadsheets, but I don't see the point now. It's not laziness or close-to-the vestness, as much as supplying numbers AS THOUGH they matter, AS THOUGH they are in and of themselves tellling, Then people who don't know what they mean feel bad, and who actually does know what they mean? 1.0mm sounds thick compared to 0,8mm, but it's still so thin. I like the 1,1 butts. They make more theoretical sense to me, and in a butt that's so short anyway (even our long ones), there's no time for it to get heavy. All the steel tube makers, I'm sure, list tube specs. I'm not sure they tell you much. Is eight-tenths of a millimeter too fat for the center portion of a downtube? I don't think so. On Thursday, June 19, 2014 5:06:44 PM UTC-7, Fullylugged wrote: They've published tube specs in the past (Ram for instance) but have drifted away from that. I think they want to think about the bike and the ride, not the tubing itself. On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 3:12 PM, Michael john1...@gmail.com wrote: Anyone know? I am interested to see what the blue Sams from 2013 are. Thanks for any info. Also, Bleriots. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d
Re: [RBW] Riv steel tube wall thicknesses? Proprietary or public?
Just a thought. Not saying it's a good one. Good or not it's a fun one! -JimD On Jun 20, 2014, at 12:57 PM, Robert F. Harrison rfharri...@gmail.com wrote: I like it, but can't we go further and get small enough that we can only speak about the thickness in probabilities? Then we could discuss frames as wave functions. At that point frames could be priced on the probability of their collapsing into something you can actually ride. For $1 you could get a frame in any size you like with almost no probability of it ever collapsing into something you could use. For more you get something a bit more probable, a Rivendell 66cm Schrodinger perhaps. Just a thought. Not saying it's a good one. Bob On Fri, Jun 20, 2014 at 7:52 AM, jimD rasterd...@comcast.net wrote: I've been bemused by the tube thread. Years ago I had a religious devotion to Reynolds 531 cause that was da bomb. I think tube fascination can be amplified. My vote is to give the butts and wall thickness in microns. so a 0.8 mm wall becomes 800 microns. Maybe even add some tolerance so 800 um +/- 8 um. Such precision should keep the wheels of feeds and speeds turning for another generation. -JimD ...and I guess I should add - ;) On Jun 19, 2014, at 11:45 PM, grant grant...@gmail.com wrote: Nothing's proprietary here. Related to that, about 25 years ago the Eddy Merckx brochure listed specs for everything on the frames except head tube angle, which was proprietary. The same era Gios frames listed frame sizes 48 thru 64, and every head and seat tube angle was 75 degrees. A while back we showed the new SILVER tube specs on cardboard. Tubing wall thicknesses matter at some level--if they're too thin, that's bad. It's really hard to derive anything useful from them. How much less does a 100mm length of 0.7 weigh than 0.8? Not much, and when you look at the meager gains in weight savings and the significant (I'd say, not everybody would) gains in strength, it's a good argument to go to 1.0, even. The new SILVER tubeset, which I haven't said much about because bragging about it makes it sound like I don't like normal butted tubes, and that's far, far off---but the SILVER is a single-butted tube. The downtube is 1.1 at the top end, has a long 70mm taper, and has an 0.8mm belly and no but (is 0.8) at the oppo-end. Somebody who doesn't get tubes would say single-butting is a short-cut. To my way of thinking, it's super smart and better (but not dramatically). You get 1.1 in the stressed area behind the head tube. The belly is 0.8, to resist twisting (talking about it overemphasizes it) and dents (more important if the bike falls over). THe 0.8 at the bb end is on the thin side, but this is a super low-stress area. The long butt on a long tube allows us to spec butt length according to frame size. This is a theoretical plus but a practical big nothing--- It would be easy to say, We leave the butt long on big frames, cut it short on smallies, but that doesn't account for light tallies or short stockies. The controversial 2TT is a better way to upstrength the big frames, far more effective than a thicker tube. More heavy too, but another 7oz or so, I don't care. I looked at the weight savings of long vs short butts, and it was like--a fraction of an OUNCE. At that point, forget it. Leave 'em long. Sometimes people ask what BRAND of tube we use, and if I'm in a bad mood (twice only in many years), I replied with Tell me what you know about Columbus SL vs Reynolds 531 vs Tange Prestige. Usually people know labels, not metallurgy. All the tube makers make good tubes, but a good tube is no guarantee of a good joint or frame. Years ago I'd have spend time on the spreadsheets, but I don't see the point now. It's not laziness or close-to-the vestness, as much as supplying numbers AS THOUGH they matter, AS THOUGH they are in and of themselves tellling, Then people who don't know what they mean feel bad, and who actually does know what they mean? 1.0mm sounds thick compared to 0,8mm, but it's still so thin. I like the 1,1 butts. They make more theoretical sense to me, and in a butt that's so short anyway (even our long ones), there's no time for it to get heavy. All the steel tube makers, I'm sure, list tube specs. I'm not sure they tell you much. Is eight-tenths of a millimeter too fat for the center portion of a downtube? I don't think so. On Thursday, June 19, 2014 5:06:44 PM UTC-7, Fullylugged wrote: They've published tube specs in the past (Ram for instance) but have drifted away from that. I think they want to think about the bike and the ride, not the tubing itself. On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 3:12 PM, Michael john1...@gmail.com wrote: Anyone know? I am interested to see what the blue Sams from 2013 are. Thanks for any info. Also, Bleriots. -- You received this message because you
Re: [RBW] Cheese
Well this is going about as well as could be expected, isn't it? On Jun 13, 2014, at 2:15 PM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Wensleydale or nothing! Cheers, David it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 9:38 AM, Ron Mc bulldog...@gmail.com wrote: oh dear, we forgot the crackers, Gromit. On Friday, June 13, 2014 11:31:32 AM UTC-5, Jason Leach wrote: With apologies to all of you, who collectively contribute to this list on a regular basis, and keep a positive and welcome tone; a cheese discussion is certainly off topic. FDA over regulation is important in the world no doubt, just not in an RBW thread. Would you all mind saying last words on the issue and moving back to bikes and ride reports? Jason SF,CA On Jun 13, 2014, at 8:56 AM, Philip Williamson philip.w...@gmail.com wrote: Another article: http://gordonzola.net/2014/06/11/people-care-about-cheese-wood-fda-issues-new-statement/ Philip www.biketinker.com On Friday, June 13, 2014 8:32:43 AM UTC-7, Hugh Flynn wrote: There has been quite the outcry as the result of what can only be viewed as Food Industry purchased legislation to stomp out competition from the increasingly popular small producers. The FDA has backed down for the moment, but Kraft etc have paid for their FDA regulations and will expect them to be enforced eventually. http://www.forbes.com/sites/gregorymcneal/2014/06/10/fda-backs-down-in-fight-over-aged-cheese/ Hugh cheese manufacturers are not the same as cheese makers Flynn Newburyport, MA On Jun 13, 2014, at 9:48 AM, Deacon Patrick wrote: Cheese is a great bike food. I love it on long rides. But it won't be as good as it has been because the FDA has made wooden boards illegal: http://cheeseunderground.blogspot.com/2014/06/game-changer-fda-rules-no-wooden-boards.html With abandon, Patrick www.MindYourHeadCoop.org www.OurHolyConception.org -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] A Tale of Two Saluki's
If we really are supposed to vote I'm real fond of that purple Saluki.
Who painted it? What is paint type and color?
Thanks,
JimD
On May 21, 2014, at 9:47 PM, Tony DeFilippo vpi...@gmail.com wrote:
By Bill and Tony (and Amy and Steve)
Almost ten years later two Saluki's get dragged into a garage to compare life
story's and go home with new riders! My Purple-Luki (#0017, via Amy) and
Bill's Green-Luki (#008, via Steve) are two great looking bikes. Both size
60cm Saluki's and the only noticeable frame delta is the lower placement of
the low rider braze on's for the Green-Luki. How cool is it to see these two
side by side as bare frames!?! I couldn't be happier with my 'fairway green'
bike and it sounds like Bill is looking forward to building up a striking
Moustache Bar'd rig with the Agapanthus Purple... seems like a win win!
Bill wanted to poll the list on personal color preferences between the two...
obviously he and I have already cast our votes but we're curious where the
RBW-OB's are on the Green vs Purple. What say you?!?
Regardless it is cool to know a bit about the history behind a used frame
('rolling art' as Bill said on Sunday)...
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Re: [RBW] Why Wear a Helmet?
I wear a helmet as insurance. Besides it's where I mount my mirror. I'd ride without the helmet before I rode without the mirror but, as it is, they are inextricably linked. Maybe we can have a 'discussion' about the use of mirrors? As to helmets and horses go watch the cross country portion of a 3 day trials. Those folks wear helmets some of them still get killed. -JimD On May 20, 2014, at 6:16 AM, Will waller.will...@gmail.com wrote: I dunno... I'm not helmet police, but I have sat outside the OR waiting for the surgeons to get done repairing my wife. I have listened to the surgeon tell me the helmet saved her life. It's a sobering experience. Afterwards, these helmet threads become somewhat annoying. Particularly when statistics suggest the surgeon's assessment is correct. It's better to be a doofus than an organ donor. On Monday, May 19, 2014 6:21:07 PM UTC-5, Doug Williams wrote: Yes, cyclists don't wear helmets in Europe and Asia...and they ride much more than we do. Studies have repeatedly shown that helmet laws and even volunteer wear a helmet campaigns REDUCE ridership. Reduced ridership makes the remaining cyclists less safe. It is well established that increased ridership makes biking safer for all cyclists, helmeted or not. I usually wear a helmet, but we (the cycling community) need to stop demonizing cyclists who don't wear helmets. The Helmet Wars make all cyclists less safe by decreasing ridership and by making bicycling look much more dangerous than it really is. The helmet police need to back off for their own safety and the safety of everyone else. I know I'm preaching to the choir here, but really! The next time I hear someone berating a cycling publication for a picture of a helmet-less rider I'm going to puke! OMG! You let your kid walk to school without a helmet? Bad Parent! You drive your kid to school in your car without helmets for everybody! Are you crazy! Doug On Monday, May 19, 2014 4:08:23 PM UTC-7, Michael wrote: I am curious as to why helmeted horse riding didn't come about until the 1900's(?), when there were thousands of previous years of un-helmeted horse riding, except for armour-ed combat on horseback. So, in modern society, I wonder why we are so safety conscious about helmets in cycling when we have so many aeons of non-helmeted horse riding and no one seemed to worry about it back then. And I also wonder why it seems (correct me if wrong) the USA seems so obsessed with it when Europe and Asia are not. And they do much more riding than us. And much more close-quarters with traffic than us. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] 30daysofbiking
Eunice, Thanks for one of the best 'rides' reports I've had the enjoyment of reading. It is beautifully poetic and sweetly poetic. You are truly an artist. Your photos and the accompanying writing are terrific. -JimD On May 1, 2014, at 6:10 PM, Eunice Chang sleepyn...@gmail.com wrote: I thought I'd share my experiences on 30 days of biking last month here: https://sleepyneko.exposure.co/30-days-of-biking Warning: it's kind of long and well, teary. But if you read it all the way through you might be rewarded with glimpses of Thumper Buttercup, aka Seth's A.H.H., which I tweaked for, er, emergency purposes. :) And I meant it when I said thanks for the ride reports. I couldn't imagine riding a bike post-death, and when I could two months later, it was a relief. But your ride reports created an itch so bad I had to absolutely scratch it, fears and grief be darned. My morning coffee rides are really a thing of joy. Anyway, thank you again and keep writing those ride reports. I'll keep pedaling along... Eunice -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] New Head-Badge Poster!
A work of art for sure! Thanks, JimD. On Apr 29, 2014, at 6:24 PM, Marty mgie...@mac.com wrote: Can't believe it's been two years since the last version - about time I came up with a new one. Bigger and better than ever, this one contains every badge variation I'm aware of and had access to. 42 in all! I don't doubt there are a few scarce variations out there, and of course as soon as I post this another few will show up, but such is life. 20 years of Rivendell history captured on a single page. Don't ask if I have them all - I don't. Grant loaned most of them to me to take photos of a long, long time ago. Others I had to photoshop from head tube shots. No stumps or canvas this time - I wanted to go clean to celebrate the beauty of the badges alone. They tell an amazing story. The file here is not the HiRes version. Once I clean things up a bit I will post a link to the file. I do not plan to print these for sale, it's more like a gift to the bunch for your loyalty and bunchiness. Give me a week or so to do that. Until then, have a look at some amazing artwork, brought to you by the clever, creative minds at Rivendell Bicycle Works, and the artists and badge-makers who brought these to life Enjoy! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. Riv Poster Sample 042914.jpg -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] GAP Trail from Confluence to Rockwood, PA
Poetic and inspiring words to live by. Yes, it's a long hard road. So what? It's the road you have and you can have whatever attitude you choose along the way. You can enjoy the view, the flowers, the stunning scents of new spring loam waking from under the melting snow, or you can allow fear and death to consume and define you. Thanks, JimD On Apr 25, 2014, at 6:30 AM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote: Och, Andy! How many of your compatriots learned to love wilderness adventure after that racing mentality? Gadzooks! Where you ended up, seeking and finding the gift so very oddly wrapped, is the best place to end up when the cause of suffering is beyond your control. Attitude within suffering controls everything is is always a choice within our grasp if we but know it. A huge part of my ministry to others with brain injury is to help them come to that realization. Yes, it's a long hard road. So what? It's the road you have and you can have whatever attitude you choose along the way. You can enjoy the view, the flowers, the stunning scents of new spring loam waking from under the melting snow, or you can allow fear and death to consume and define you. Which version do you think will be more fruitful, healing, joyous, and enjoyable? So while I never expect others to learn from suffering, I always strive to help them see the opportunity and take it if they choose. If I read you aright, that sounds like what you do as well, and that is a beautiful gift. And who knows, gifts like that often bloom out of sight of the one who planted the seed. Grin. With abandon, Patrick On Friday, April 25, 2014 6:15:55 AM UTC-6, ascpgh wrote: I never expect others to learn through suffering, certainly not about something that should be enjoyed. If it's your own gift to do so, appreciate your patience, perseverance, and insight, never assume it of others. It's just good manners to show others the good stuff. Andy Cheatham Pittsburgh -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Heron: Why the incorrect info about tire clearance?
+1 ;) -JimD On Apr 25, 2014, at 12:34 PM, Chris Chen cc...@nougat.org wrote: I want to repeat something that's kind of bugged me a few times: If you want to know about Rivendell Bicycles you can call or email them. They will tell you to the best of their availability. They run a business; it's in their interests to tell you what you want to know. They're not a church; you're not going to the Oracle at Delphi and you don't need to light incense. If you don't call, or feel sheepish about asking the Great Riv Gods, and something doesn't work out, don't blame them. (This is not directly related to this situation but...) We're not digging up dinosaur bones people. This is a going concern. cc On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 12:31 PM, David Hays 23writ...@gmail.com wrote: Last year I picked up my first Rivendell, a 650B 56 Homer that is listed as accepting tires up to 41mm. I had done a lot of research in this group but still felt lucky and relieved when 42mm Hetre's and fenders fit without incident. David On Apr 25, 2014, at 3:26 PM, Evan Baird vanster...@gmail.com wrote: Like it was made for em. On Friday, April 25, 2014 10:53:16 AM UTC-7, Tim Gavin wrote: Jim- Seems like a small thing to get so offended by. However, I was in your shoes when I picked up my '97 Rivendell Road. Riv Catalog 3 (1997) states that the Riv Road has clearance for 700x35c tires, but mine barely clears a 700x28c tire, with about 1 mm to spare under the brake bridge and fork crown. I was kinda disappointed to miss out on all this fluffy-yet-fast wide tires thing that Riv folks were so excited about. But, the intervening years since my Riv's creation have produced some alternative solutions. 650b wheels, tires, and long-reach sidepulls are now easily available. I converted my Riv Road to 650b, and now it fits a 38mm wide tire and full fenders. It has a great, comfy ride that feels wonderful, yet it's not appreciably slower than with larger diameter 700x28c. I'm not sure if Riv's specifications were slightly optimistic, if it's the difference in tires since then, or what. It was frustrating to find out my Riv is a bit of a lemon, but it's made some excellent lemonade! And it's really made me want an Atlantis or Hunq for fat 700c tire touring... Tim Gavin Cedar Rapids, IA On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 12:34 PM, Cyclofiend Jim cyclo...@earthlink.net wrote: Jim - I have to say that I'm not really following your point. Certainly, it's got to be frustrating to purchase something that doesn't do what you hoped it would. But, I'm not sure how you get from a 15 year old archived web page to losing trust in Rivendell. Second to that, tire profiles have changed a bit in the ensuing time frame. More round now, more larger sizes now. And every rim makes a tire sit a bit differently. With a couple of google stabs, I found several ref's to folks selling Heron roads (not sure on the model years), describing tire clearances that ran from 28 to 38. Enough that it would have caused concern enough to confirm with the seller. Heron was spun off from Rivendell long ago. Different models, different owner, a different company. Sorry to hear you had a bad outcome, but I don't think it's particularly appropriate to draw a far-reaching conclusion about trust from those data points. - Jim -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- I want the kind of six pack you can't drink. -- Micah -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from
Re: [RBW] Starting to wonder if all this frame stuff really matters.
+1 Had a Madone. It was a fine bike. I Like my Riv Custom way more. It rides and handles a skitch better. It looks WAY better. The Madone was a tool, the Riv is an object of desire. -JimD On Apr 22, 2014, at 7:23 AM, RJM crccpadu...@gmail.com wrote: I've done both carbon and steel. I prefer the steel frame even with a little extra weight since it is smoother than the madone I used to own. The Domane might be the better carbon bike for me though since it is supposed to be smoother than the Madone (speaking in the Trek lineup, of course) Honestly though, I'm not seeing the advantage of a carbon fork even though they sell them as having vibration dampening qualitiesespecially when my Riv rides so smooth. I don't see carbon riding that smooth, at least that has been my experience. To each his own though. On Monday, April 21, 2014 7:16:35 PM UTC-5, eflayer wrote: No matter how you fat you are, if you have never had the experience of comparing doing a climb on a 17 lb carbon bike and 22 + lb full steel (Rivendell), I suggest you give it a try and then get back to the group about your opinion of which you prefer. No doubt steel will hold up better through the millenia and won't crack in crash, but bikes don't crash that often and why not enjoy the ride in as many ways as you can? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Cheviot's poppy picture
I had this 'redirect loop' problem intermittently this weekend. Seems to be a bug accompanying the recent Flickr 'enhancements'. -JimD On Apr 13, 2014, at 6:45 PM, Cecily Walker cecily.wal...@gmail.com wrote: Is anyone else in the group getting trapped in a redirect loop when viewing Flickr photos? It doesn't seem to matter whether I click the link directly or if I copy it and paste it into another window. I sure hate missing out on all the springtime floral/Riv photos. :( On Saturday, April 12, 2014 6:50:41 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/10252787755 https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/4630014620 :-) Cheers, David it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 6:49 PM, cyclotourist cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: That's such a GREAT looking bike in any location!!! Cheers, David it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 6:43 PM, grrlyrida grrl...@gmail.com wrote: I think Rivbike's Cheviot poppy photo is one the prettiest pictures I've seen on their site (that's a lot of P's). When I visited my mom up in Santa Ynez Valley, I stopped by La Purisma Mission and saw a field of poppies. I couldn't resist snapping a photo of my bike in a poppy field a la Cheviot style. As you've noticed, I don't shy away from color. Anyone else inspired by poppies or flowers in the spring for bike photo opportunities? Ness -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Chain lube/wax
This stuff works great but no way will it stay 'clean'. http://chain-l.com/index.html -Jim On Apr 14, 2014, at 7:17 AM, Anne speedyc...@comcast.net wrote: Same recommendation here. Just wipe the chain sideplates after every ride. Lasts a long time. When you start to hear chain noise, add another half dozen drops. On Monday, April 14, 2014 9:35:05 AM UTC-4, danmc wrote: Patrick Not so sure about the solid waxes but do recommend you give NFS a try. Very highly recommended. http://ballersride.com/shop/nixfrixshun-chainlube-nfs Dan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] 33.3 vs 35 (Jack Brown vs Paselas)
+1 on JB Greens. For me on my Riv custom they are mighty fine. I've even hoarded a supply just in case -JimD On Apr 5, 2014, at 11:44 PM, john johnco...@comcast.net wrote: I'd go for the Jack's for sure. (Can't speak for the Blues, which I have not used, but the Greens, for sure, go for it!) The JB Greens do everything the Pasellas do but better. They're faster, more responsive, grippy, and at least for me, at least as puncture resistant. I like both tires a lot, but for my Sam HIllborne, at least, the JB Greens are the perfect match. On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 2:09:20 PM UTC-7, Mathew Greiner wrote: Sorry if this is an old, worn out topic. My main question is to do with the benefits of a smoother rolling tire (Jack Brown) vs a slightly fatter tire. The Pasela isn't that much larger than the Jack Brown, but on the other hand, the Jack Brown isn't that much larger than my current tires. Both would probably be an improvement, but in different ways. I don't have a strong preference along the fast rolling vs puncture resistance spectrum. I currently ride short to moderate rides-mainly city or well worn trails. I have 32mm Kenda Eurotreks that came with my Handsome Devil, which I have Rivved up as best I can (and which I like a lot and won't know any better until one of you puts a non-single speed Riv up for sale at just the right price in just the right size at just the right point in a paycheck cycle). -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] What does rollerblading in slow motion have to do with Rivendell and riding?
This is totally great! -JimD On Apr 4, 2014, at 6:52 PM, Eunice Chang sleepyn...@gmail.com wrote: I can't watch the video- it isn't captioned, so I don't know the details, but I get the gist of it. For what it's worth, I ride my bike first thing in the morning if I can, and it's usually the only time I get to ride. I just go to the coffee shop, fill my thermos, and go outside and watch the sun rise or people going in and out and have a small cup (it's a big thermos). Sometimes I write, sometimes I just sit there, sometimes I read the poem of the day in writer's almanac. Seth was the one who did the coffee ride- he'd ride every morning to bring us coffee, and he'd try to do it daily with exception of some very frigid mornings (he's a Southern boy after all). Sometimes it would be his only ride the whole day. I thought I'd try it out, and I've found a route that works for me (low key, very little traffic, wide roads, some hills). It's only 2 miles total, but it is definitely my happy place. When I ride to the coffeeshop, I ride into the sunrise, and when I'm ready to go back, the sun is behind me and has warmed me up. Most mornings I feel like singing at top of my lungs (though I stay quiet out of respect for my neighbors). And always, I feel like I'm riding with Seth when I ride my bike. I get to see dogs being walked, say hi to my neighbors, watch flights of birds, try not to run over inexperienced baby squirrels, and see the trees in bloom (currently, dogwoods, redbuds, magnolias, though thankfully, bradford pears are done for now). Soon it will be honeysuckle and jessamine time. I'm beginning to understand why he liked the morning rides. And no, there's no reason to ride to the coffeeshop other than that it feels like a sacred ritual that is both fun and invigorating and well, just brings me joy. The rare, unadulterated kind of joy that can coexist with the ever-present grief. And I'll always have Seth to thank for that (he taught me to ride a bike uhmm, 9 years ago). Enjoy the ride. -Eunice On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 11:08 AM, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote: The New York Times has an Op-Doc telling the story of a local San Diego resident who skates in slow motion along the boardwalk. You may have already seen it. I posted about it here, including a link to the 16 minute documentary: http://veloflaneur.wordpress.com/2014/04/04/moving-forward/ I'm not sure why, but I wrote it for you all and wanted to share the video with this group as soon as I saw it. Why? It reminded me of Just Ride - you don't need to give everything up to get a little stoke in your life. Just ride around the block during a 15 minute break from whatever else you are doing. Well, it gets really interesting around 8:45. There, Slomo talks about the neuroscience of forward motion. I don't know enough about neuroscience to call it out as BS, but its still a great story. Maybe that's one of the reasons why bike riding is so fun? Why do I feel my friendships formed through sharing bike rides are so strong? Maybe because we are experiencing stoke together. Seth Vidal is right. Enjoy. Regards! Esteban San Diego, Calif. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Wet 300k
Ha! JimD --- On Mar 31, 2014, at 8:32 PM, Jim Bronson jim.bron...@gmail.com wrote: It gets more mental than physical after a while. Sometimes it's a fine line between having enough caffeine to stay awake but not so much one has a panic attack. On Mar 31, 2014 7:05 PM, Michael john11.2...@gmail.com wrote: Wow!! I don't know how you Rando-peeps can go so far! That is amazing. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Beauty Shots of the Custom are up!
+1 Exactly! -JimD On Mar 29, 2014, at 7:26 AM, Patrick Moore bertin...@gmail.com wrote: By turn in I mean the way the bike responds in turns. All the Rivs I've owned (5) have exhibited in one degree or another a sublime smoothness in the transition between straight and turn, that is, no understeer nor oversteer. So much is this so, and sufficiently more than other bikes I've ridden, that it stands out clearly and consistently despite distinct differences in other handling qualities. All exhibit the same smooth turn in transition sufficiently to call it a common trait, all the way from the first Waterford road which was too quick (for my taste) with sub 1 tires, but still smooth in the transition; to the Sam Hill which was much slower, but again, still smooth in that transition, notably in fast downhill sweepers. Shy in ABQ. On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 3:10 PM, Liesl li...@smm.org wrote: On Patrick M.: I THINK the chainstays are around 55cm, so crazy long--but someone at Riv should confirm. And I don't even know what 'the signature Rivendell turn in' is, so you'll have to elaborate. I know that will be a challenge as you are so shy to post. On Handling: I got a great tutorial from Grant on the challenges of designing a bike for a short/small person. It's hard to do right and as a result, most tend to be tippy/twitchy. I would invite Grant to offer his ideas because I'll not do it justice. What I can say is that as a short woman who's been around the block a few times, I've had my share of ill-fitting, ill-handling bikes. Not this one. You get on and it feels right, rock-solid, go anywhere, do anything, feel like it's a part of you. that was instant. I think Manny felt it too--but Manny, I'd love it if you chime in too. -- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. Other professional writing services. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ Patrick Moore Albuquerque, Nouvelle Mexique, Etats Unis -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Riv on tires. LOL!
The horse is starting to look sorta bedraggled from all the beating. ButIt's not dead yet! :) -JimD On Mar 28, 2014, at 8:04 PM, Ron Mc bulldog...@gmail.com wrote: I was certainly joking, but it's always your mileage may vary because we all makes our choices on our perceptions of function - some people don't like Brooks B17 (I'm Not one of those). On Friday, March 28, 2014 2:15:56 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote: Ron, so were you joking above or just using empirical as a synonym for objective? Clearly you don't mean that there is NOTHING objective. My top tube is objectively 28.6mm in diameter. I objectively rode my road bike 3.6 miles from the car repair shop to my office. I subjectively enjoyed myself. The bike subjectively felt fast to me. My Bombadil is objectively heavier than my road bike and objectively slower with a given effort. Subjectively I sometimes prefer to ride the Bombadil and sometimes I prefer to ride my road bike. Just because people have different personal preferences doesn't mean that there are no objectively measureable quantities in the world of cycling. Personal preference is subjective, that's for sure. I can't tell you what you prefer, and you can't tell me what I prefer. But there are plenty of aspects of cycling that are objectively measureable. Those objective truths don't have to force your preference, but your preference doesn't change the measurements either. You just like what you like. Maybe what you mean is that there is nothing in cycling that is both purely qualitative and objective. Everybody makes qualitative judgments for themselves, subjectively. If that's what you meant, then I agree with you. Sorry for delving into Philosophical Phriday. I'm going to sneak out for a short ride on my lunch-hour On Friday, March 28, 2014 11:46:24 AM UTC-7, Ron Mc wrote: Bill is pretty accurate there, but I think the truth is nothing is objective in cycling. It's all subjective. And that's OK. We make our choices for the function we desire. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Saddlesack Medium and Biking to School
+1 on the medium saddle sack. It even fits in the bike lockers at work! -JimD On Mar 22, 2014, at 7:09 AM, Hudson Doerge htdoe...@yahoo.com wrote: I rececntly found myself unexpectedly clicking submit order for a medium saddlesack in tan. So far I am exceedingly happy with that decision. I've gotta say I really love the tan and think you will too. It's very classy and beautiful, yet rugged and understated. I think you'll be very happy with it. Hudsonq -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Boat Anchoring
;) -JimD On Mar 23, 2014, at 5:52 AM, Ron Mc bulldog...@gmail.com wrote: I think you're ok until your prescriptions require a larger saddle sack On Sunday, March 23, 2014 12:12:49 AM UTC-5, JimD wrote: Here's a current photo of the boat anchor parked at the Ant Farm, along with the new medium saddle sack: http://www.flickr.com/photos/rasterdogs/ -JimD (getting grumpier and grumpier day by day.) On Mar 22, 2014, at 8:03 AM, jimD raste...@comcast.net wrote: What? Does this mean that I have to move from the Retro-Grouch camp to the Weight-Weenie camp? -JimD (aka; Grumpy Old Man but never a Retro-Grouch) Hey, you kids, get off of my lawn! On Mar 21, 2014, at 6:34 AM, Scott G. sco...@primax.com wrote: My friend Dale explained as you get older the bike has to get lighter to maintain a constant speed. So 20 somethings should ride Raleigh DL-1s, 60 somethings get steel Colnagos with carbon tubular wheels. Once you reach 70, special carbon rando bikes with FMB 40mm tubies. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Boat Anchoring
What? Does this mean that I have to move from the Retro-Grouch camp to the Weight-Weenie camp? -JimD (aka; Grumpy Old Man but never a Retro-Grouch) Hey, you kids, get off of my lawn! On Mar 21, 2014, at 6:34 AM, Scott G. sco...@primax.com wrote: My friend Dale explained as you get older the bike has to get lighter to maintain a constant speed. So 20 somethings should ride Raleigh DL-1s, 60 somethings get steel Colnagos with carbon tubular wheels. Once you reach 70, special carbon rando bikes with FMB 40mm tubies. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Boat Anchoring
Here's a current photo of the boat anchor parked at the Ant Farm, along with the new medium saddle sack: http://www.flickr.com/photos/rasterdogs/ -JimD (getting grumpier and grumpier day by day.) On Mar 22, 2014, at 8:03 AM, jimD rasterd...@comcast.net wrote: What? Does this mean that I have to move from the Retro-Grouch camp to the Weight-Weenie camp? -JimD (aka; Grumpy Old Man but never a Retro-Grouch) Hey, you kids, get off of my lawn! On Mar 21, 2014, at 6:34 AM, Scott G. sco...@primax.com wrote: My friend Dale explained as you get older the bike has to get lighter to maintain a constant speed. So 20 somethings should ride Raleigh DL-1s, 60 somethings get steel Colnagos with carbon tubular wheels. Once you reach 70, special carbon rando bikes with FMB 40mm tubies. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Leaping onto an Atlantis
A tip of my virtual hat to this. Well said! -JimD On Mar 20, 2014, at 7:27 PM, Eunice Chang sleepyn...@gmail.com wrote: Emily, I'm going to quote someone who was wiser than me. If it makes you happy and enjoy the rides more, the cost is trivial. If it makes you ride more, that's a bonus. It's more of a quality thing. And if you can afford it, go for it. If you can't, you might want to look for an used Atlantis or a cheaper frame (Surly LHT comes to mind). The first time I rode an Atlantis, I wanted to ride it forever. Unfortunately it was on temporary loan, and I regret not buying it from the owner when I had the chance. Due to personal circumstances, I ended up with a custom mixte that cost about as much as a fully equipped Atlantis, and it was set up in Riv style, and it's been worth every penny. Never mind that I ride a mere two miles to the coffee shop, and not even everyday; every time I ride it I always want to ride more and look for new routes. Good luck with your decision. Eunice On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 10:15 PM, Hugh Smitham hughsmit...@gmail.com wrote: If your used to Carbon then yeah Steel can feel like an anchor...after riding on steel a while it's just a mind set and that anchor still seems to get from point A to point B with some rose smelling along the way :-) ~Hugh “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep moving.” ― Albert Einstein http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/ On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 7:12 PM, tdusky tdu...@comcast.net wrote: If the the large Atlantis is a boat anchor I would bet the small is as well. This is just my opinion. As is everyone else making comments here. Tires will also make a huge difference on the feel of the bike. :) Tom On Thursday, March 20, 2014 10:33:29 AM UTC-4, Emily Hutchinson wrote: Hello, I am trying to talk myself into or out of a really pretty new Atlantis with all it's parts. It would be the smaller frame because I'm short and average weight 130. The price tag is somewhere around 4000 all said and done and I feel stuck. My gut is pushing me in both directions because I've never ridden an Atlantis. I'm also out of country and can't just go find one to try. I love touring and I'd love to do some long international and national tours and live in Colorado with hills. Okay thanks.Someone help tip me! Is it irresponsible to spend this much money? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/Zv-tjShaOw8/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] TrunkSack vs. Saddlebag
I'm also a person that the B17 doesn't work for. A B17-N is much better. A Brooks Swift is perfecto. I've not tried a Swallow but, as I recall, the Swift/Swallow dimensions are similar. -JimD On Mar 20, 2014, at 8:08 AM, john johnco...@comcast.net wrote: Thanks Steve. These are the specifics I'm after. Perhaps I'll try a B.17N. My Sitz are 115M wide, so I definitely do better on a narrower saddle, especially as my bars are a tad lower than my saddle. On Thursday, March 20, 2014 6:06:20 AM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote: On 03/20/2014 02:46 AM, john wrote: Steve: The B.17 has bag loops, of course, but if I choose to ride a different saddle (heresy, I know) without bag loops, I can either choose to attach a saddlebag with aftermarket loops such as the VO, or carry my stuff in a different fashion. I was trying to determine how the loaded trunk rides versus the loaded saddlebag. I asked about the B.17N, the narrow version of the B.17, specifically to suggest it: everything you like about the B.17, only narrow. Loaded trunk bags are far more noticeable than a loaded saddlebag, a very noticeable tail-wagging-the-dog feeling. A loaded saddlebag is almost unnoticeable in my experience except when rocking the bike out of the saddle, but a heavily loaded trunk bag really feels like it's wagging the back of the bike. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] WTB: Sackville Saddlesack Medium
I too recently got this bag. I've been using a large Carradice bag for several years but it wasn't quite large enough for things I carry on my daily commute. Boy is the Saddlesack a great bag. Great design, very practical and clearly designed by folks who use what they make/sell. Plus it passes the wife test. When Patrysh first saw it, I could see that she had 'purse envy'. -JimD On Mar 18, 2014, at 7:13 PM, Hudson Doerge htdoe...@yahoo.com wrote: Just bought one from riv recently as well. In tan too, which I must say I prefer to the green. So gorgeous. I'm glad I didn't wait to pick one up. Rather than waiting, I'd go straight to the source. The bag is totally worth it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Boat Anchoring
I'll say this; the further I move toward my antiquity, the more I feel like a boat anchor. Irregardless of what bike I'm on. -JimD (trying to move gracefully into the sunset.) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Thoughts on Rivendell rough cuts on YouTube
+1 on thanks for sharing. -JimD On Mar 16, 2014, at 7:48 AM, Kellie Stapleton kellie.staple...@gmail.com wrote: Just watched enjoyed. Thanks for sharing. On Thursday, March 13, 2014 12:24:08 PM UTC-7, Chris Lampe 2 wrote: I just stumbled on a couple of documentary style compilations of interviews with some of the folks at RBW. I haven't seen them mentioned here so I thought I would link them so folks could check them out. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TWVBU23VEU -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Baby got new shoes ...
Jeffrey and/or anyone, I've got an early 62 cm Saluki (650B version) it has hammered Honjo fenders. I'm not sure what model honjos are , but they measure 46mm wide on the outside and ~41 mm wide internally (rolled fender edge to rolled fender edge). What fenders do you have on your Saluki and do you know their dimensions? How's the clearance on between your fenders and the Hetres? Thanks, JimD On Mar 2, 2014, at 6:37 AM, jeffrey kane jsk_onl...@mac.com wrote: Cross-post from the 650b group : I've been nursing a pair of Pari Moto's since mid-summer and the weather has helped extend their life (read: much reduced riding around here since December) ... but I've been telling myself to p/u a new set o' tires for the last month or so and had decided I go for those highly acclaimed Hetre EL's for a change. This will be my 4th season riding 650b, much of it on Hetres .. heck, I even commute on them year-round in NYC. So just as I was about to pull the trigger I see the post from Compass and voila, enter the Babyshoe Pass XL! Took 'em for a little solo 45 mile loop over the GWB to parts north yesterday in mid-30's temps on what was left of my November legs. Now, I'm no expert tire reviewer but I know what I've come to like ... and these last few years on PM's and Hetres have been some of the most enjoyable of my many years of riding. So here's my deep bow of respect to Mr. Heine and his cohorts at Compass ... and a great many thanks for making life so damn good for so many of us in their own small way! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Baby got new shoes ...and now JimD's baby needs 38's
OK, Since I can't fit Hetres on my 650 B Saluki what 38 mm 650B tires do folks suggest? Thanks, JimD On Mar 2, 2014, at 11:07 AM, Ron Mc bulldog...@gmail.com wrote: I agree, 46mm Honjos would be perfect with 38mm tires, but that's about the upper limit. On Sunday, March 2, 2014 12:54:12 PM UTC-6, jeffrey kane wrote: Hi Jim, The fenders you see are Berthoud 650b x 50's. Mike Kone sells them out of Boulder Bicycles. I have them on a Belriot also. The fit on either frame is tight but requires almost not crimping, which, is saying a lot since neither frame was optimized for 42's and fenders. The tire to fender inner-edge clearance is also what some might consider to be on the tighter side of ideal ... but I think not by much. I've had both bikes set up this way for 3+ years now and haven't had a problem ... and while I know that's a hardly scientific assessment, my riding consists of plenty of unpaved trails and year round NYC streets. That said, I have a pair of similarly sized Honjo's like your hanging in my garage. They fit 38's well but don't work for Hetres. If you have questions, give Mike Kone a call ... he's a great guy to hash out solutions with. On Sunday, March 2, 2014 11:01:52 AM UTC-5, JimD wrote: Jeffrey and/or anyone, I've got an early 62 cm Saluki (650B version) it has hammered Honjo fenders. I'm not sure what model honjos are , but they measure 46mm wide on the outside and ~41 mm wide internally (rolled fender edge to rolled fender edge). What fenders do you have on your Saluki and do you know their dimensions? How's the clearance on between your fenders and the Hetres? Thanks, JimD On Mar 2, 2014, at 6:37 AM, jeffrey kane jsk_o...@mac.com wrote: Cross-post from the 650b group : I've been nursing a pair of Pari Moto's since mid-summer and the weather has helped extend their life (read: much reduced riding around here since December) ... but I've been telling myself to p/u a new set o' tires for the last month or so and had decided I go for those highly acclaimed Hetre EL's for a change. This will be my 4th season riding 650b, much of it on Hetres .. heck, I even commute on them year-round in NYC. So just as I was about to pull the trigger I see the post from Compass and voila, enter the Babyshoe Pass XL! Took 'em for a little solo 45 mile loop over the GWB to parts north yesterday in mid-30's temps on what was left of my November legs. Now, I'm no expert tire reviewer but I know what I've come to like ... and these last few years on PM's and Hetres have been some of the most enjoyable of my many years of riding. So here's my deep bow of respect to Mr. Heine and his cohorts at Compass ... and a great many thanks for making life so damn good for so many of us in their own small way! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Dallas/Fort Worth Rivendell bike owners: I want to see some Rivendell bikes.
Here's another testimonial. I got a Romulus sight unseen, liked it a bunch, decided I wanted a custom. Asked that the custom be modeled/informed by the Romulus. The custom took ~ a year to arrive - best bike I've ridden in ~20 years - way better than the Romulus. You can't go wrong with a Rivendell! -JimD Pictures to prove it happened are here - Custom: http://www.flickr.com/photos/rasterdogs/sets/ Romulus http://www.cyclofiend.com/cc/2009/cc600-jimd0109.html On Feb 14, 2014, at 8:40 PM, dougP dougpn...@cox.net wrote: Will: While it seems like a gamble to buy a bike, especially a Really Nice Bike, without seeing one, I too can vouch that with Rivendell it works. In '02, I decided to by an Atlantis. When UPS delivered my bike in early '03, I had never even seen any Rivendell live in person. They built the bike, then did minimal dis-assembly to ship it. It took maybe 30-40 minutes for me to get the bike rolling, and within a few miles I knew this was the nicest riding bike I'd ever owned, in decades of riding. The bike now has well over 50,000 miles of happy riding on it. I truly hope you can connect with some local Rivendell owners. You will like their bikes and I expect you'll be pleasantly surprised by the people that ride them. dougP On Thursday, February 13, 2014 5:50:55 PM UTC-8, Will Wyatt wrote: I'm thinking of getting a Rivendell bike but would like to see one (or several) first. I enjoyed reading Just Ride and I like what I see online but would like to see a few examples in the steel before I lay down any cold hard cash. I'm probably looking at the Roadeo model, as I don't see myself ever doing any real touring. Anyone in the DFW area can simple email me and we can talk about getting together. Thanks, Wil Wyatt -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Wool, Ventile, and Quicksnow Non-Intentional Experiment
A mighty fine adventure write-up! Thanks, -JimD On Feb 3, 2014, at 12:19 PM, Liesl li...@smm.org wrote: I think this qualifies as Riv content given the nature of this winter for many of us in the cold climes, so indulge me for a moment This weekend, since it's too crappy to ride bikes, I went to my college dorm-mates (circa 1977-78) reunion on a small lake in northern Wisconsin. Cold temps (below zero as we drank morning coffee) and 2-3 feet of wet snow on the ground. Five of us headed out with our snowshoes onto the lake in the morning just as ice-fishermen were also heading out in their heavy 4-wheel drive pickup. I was attired in fantastic gear for snowshoeing: vintage buffalo plaid thick wool hunting pants, a down sweater with a wind-proof Empire Canvas cotton anorak over it, Empire boots, and leather chopper mitts. Very quickly, though, the truck got into trouble with 'snow-ice/lake slush and as we watched it, we realized the same thing was happening to us. We came to call this deep and foot-thick layer of slush 'quicksnow', because it acted a lot like quicksand. This slush can form when there's a really heavy snow cover on a lake and it depresses the ice and water seeps over the top or through ice fishing holes. Anyway, we see the truck spinning up green slush, look down at our feet and see that we too are sinking into about a foot of wet wet slush, and elect to *urgently* move to the shore, which was about 50-75 feet away. (see attached photo of the truck's standing-water tracks--water still standing 8 hours after this story happened!) Thinking the pier that someone hadn't taken out for the winter would do the trick, my friend Kris and I made a b-line toward it. But the pier was too high and covered with, again, over 2 feet of snow, and it became clear in a hurry that the pier was not our salvation; we're now about 20 feet from the shore. I look down and the decks of my snowshoes are covered in very watery slush that is instant-freezing to their decks and bindings. I attempt to move my literally freezing feet and fall over onto my side. Immediately and with dread, I feel ice water seeping in at my wrist and elbow. I now have a sense of panic because I am wearing a down sweater with a cotton anorak over it and my boots also have cotton tops. I can see that my wool hunting pants are in the water, but I don't feel it seeping through. I knew if I tried to right myself I would wallow more in this icy water and become perhaps really soaked. I calmly yet urgently said to my friend Kris, I need help getting up. She swiftly pulled me up and I got myself to a sappling on the shore. All of us made it out to the shore/road and back to the cabin with no hypothermia. I've attached before and end-of-the-day photos with both fetching ensembles. Okay, here's the Riv point: I wore my heavy wool pants, wool lined choppers, and wool-lined Empire canvas boots for the entire rest of the day, which was spent outdoors. I traded out my upper torso garments for a ski sweater and a Filson vest. Wool, the miracle fabric. Keeping people warm and alive for 10,000 years. My question: how would the Riv Rain Jacket have done? Would it have kept my down sweater dry in this situation? Any ventile-wearers (meaning at least you, Deacon Patrick) with any kind of similar experience? -Riv Chica Warrior of the Quicksnow! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. Image 5.jpgImage 20.jpgImage 11.jpg -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Wherz the rivbike.com site?
Saw a message on the Riv's Tumblr that there are troubles with the site and they are working on it. -Jim On Feb 2, 2014, at 12:17 PM, Michael john11.2...@gmail.com wrote: Not workin' in central Maryland either. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Update: the woman who is 5'2
+1 'Just Ride' -JimD On Feb 1, 2014, at 8:42 AM, blakcloud blakclou...@gmail.com wrote: Not quite. That bike is hovering around two grand, which is less than even a Betty Foy or Sam Hillborne. I am happy that she bought a bike. On Saturday, February 1, 2014 11:32:37 AM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote: no doubt she could have had a custom-frame Rivendell and change for the same money -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Who's riding a 55 Sam?
Were I you I'd ring them up. They have never been too busy to talk. Great folks. A discussion with a person at Riv who rides both bikes is something I wouldn't pass up. -JimD On Feb 1, 2014, at 5:19 PM, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: Actually, I did email them about this and didn't hear back. I'm sure they're busy. Don't want to bother them. Seems reasonable for them to update the geometry information. --mike On Saturday, February 1, 2014 6:37:36 AM UTC-8, Michael wrote: Just call or email them to ask. I am sure they will be glad to tell you. I emailed, and they told me and emailed me a blueprint of my 52 Sam, showing all measurements of tubes. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] 13 shots for 13...2013 that is...and maybe a few more...
Here are my 13 2013 Riv shots. http://www.flickr.com/photos/rasterdogs/sets/72157639689052935/ 'And maybe a few more' is a video slide show of the photos I took riding the 2013 Sierra To The Sea supported tour with pal Brian. I wasn't in great shape to undertake that ride but Brian was in the midst of training for an Ironman tri. He towed me through the portions of the ride where I was suffering. The Wind Farm was particularly notable as it was…well….windy - darn windy. I'm fortunate to have a ~12 mile round trip commute to/from work and was able to ride that most days. -JimD -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Sam Hillborne- why the switch from cantilever/center pulls?
+1 on the Silver side pulls. On Jan 12, 2014, at 7:15 AM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com wrote: There's no downside. The Tektro 559 aka Silver sidepulls are wonderful brakes. On Saturday, January 11, 2014 11:48:02 PM UTC-6, Tim Tetrault wrote: Anyone know the story behind the shift from cantilevers to side pulls on the Sam? I have a side-pull Sam now and look at the canti-posts on older Sams with envy. Thanks, as always. Apologies if this is an old topic- I gave a cursory search and couldn't find a previous post matching the topic. Tim in Seattle -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Sam Hillborne- why the switch from cantilever/center pulls?
I guess I'm not discriminating enough. I've never regarded the Silvers on my Riv Custom as 'spongy'. On my Tournesol I've got some fancy, pricy, Paul component centerpulls, mounted on centerpull posts, those brakes may be a bit more 'powerful' seeming than the Silvers. They don't impress me as being all that much better. In my world the Silvers are the value proposition when it comes to the balance of cost, performance, and lack of hassle. Maybe I'm a brake agnostic. -JimD On Jan 12, 2014, at 9:04 AM, Mike Schiller mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote: the downside is spongy feeling, lack of power and limited clearance for big tires. The upside is cost of the frame. Count me as a canti lover! ~mike Carlsbad ca. On Sunday, January 12, 2014 7:15:11 AM UTC-8, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: There's no downside. The Tektro 559 aka Silver sidepulls are wonderful brakes. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Regarding Seth Vidal
I've not known how to respond to Seth's accident and the pain that accompanies it. Michael's wise and poetic response is congruent with my feelings and far more articulate than anything I might say. -JimD On Jan 11, 2014, at 4:07 PM, Michael Hechmer mhech...@gmail.com wrote: Eunice, thank you for the update on how justice has moved in behalf of Seth. I hope and pray that you have been able to find some release from the pain of your loss. I have been through my own grief, but not to be compared to yours. I have also spent 13 years as a chaplain at a major medical center and have been honored to walk with many families through their losses. Ultimately, justice, however we may think about it, offers little help in moving through grief. Grief is about letting go of what is gone, developing a relationship with the memory, and developing a new relationship with life. I hope and pray you can celebrate the good times and joy you had with Seth, and find joy in your life now.. I have also spent 23 years supporting men in prison - leading workshops on nonviolence at a maximum security youth facility, and teaching meditation at a jail. Most of the men I have met have been people of color who suffered from addiction. They needed to be in treatment, not punishment. Forgiveness is a lot like grief because it requires letting go of the past and the desire to change or avenge the past. I hope and pray that you not be stuck in the past but are able to forgive, let go, and live, I also hope and pray you are able to find and receive the support you need now. Blessings, Michael On Thursday, January 9, 2014 10:15:49 AM UTC-5, Eunice Chang wrote: I thought some of you might be interested in an update about Seth's case. Yesterday was the sentencing/verdict. http://www.wral.com/man-pleads-guilty-in-durham-bicyclist-s-hit-and-run-death/13282993/ http://www.heraldsun.com/news/showcase/x1401031508/Man-sentenced-to-12-to-24-months-in-bikers-death http://www.newsobserver.com/2014/01/08/3516480/hit-and-run-driver-to-serve-1.html Eunice On Saturday, July 20, 2013 9:43:34 PM UTC-4, Eunice Chang wrote: Hi- You don't know me, but I'm Seth's partner Eunice. I have debated sending this, because I'm not really a Riv owner but thought you all might want to know. The bike he rode when he was killed was his Romulus. I don't know where it is, but it's probably being held for evidence. The other Riv bike he had, the Hilsen, was displayed prominently at his memorial service. I also wanted to thank you for your condolences. -Eunice On Tuesday, July 9, 2013 1:24:45 PM UTC-4, Jack wrote: Friends, I am deeply saddened to share the news with you that my friend and longtime Riv owner and active RBW list participant Seth Vidal was killed by a hit and run driver last night here in Durham, NC. The latest info about the tragedy is here: http://www.wral.com/bicyclist-killed-in-durham-hit-and-run/12639104/ http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/localid=9166340 Kind regards Jack --- Jack Warman Durham, NC -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Riv e-bike conversion?
+1 - electric assist looks good to me - beats PEDs. -JimD On Jan 10, 2014, at 7:38 PM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: IMHO, not anathema at all! I know there's that divide in the bicycling world between assists and not, but I think it's bogus. If it gets someone on a bike, or out of a car, then it's 100% OK by me. So there you have it, The Cyclotourist says it's OK! Feel free to quote me on that. Cheers, David it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 5:25 PM, David Mayne dma...@gmail.com wrote: I have a Bionx powered Bleriot. Severe osteo arthritis in the knee led to it, the only way I can ride much now in hilly Seattle. I got over any notion of shame. David On Friday, January 10, 2014, Ray Shine wrote: I have very seriously considered it -- several times. I am an old guy (65+) but in relatively good health. I don't need an ebike, but there are plenty of times where I would welcome the ability to use power assist on my pedaling. If I only cycled for health reasons, then I would see no point in a conversion. But I cycle mainly for transportation purposes, and because there is very little free/cheap parking in San Francisco. I carry cargo on my bike, and I have several hills in between my home and my office. I can and do make the commute each day without an ebike, but I would have no qualms at all using an ebike on the commute. Price has been a factor, as well. But, the technology is evolving very rapidly, and there are very reasonable ebikes on the market. I would be more inclined to go for a factory build now rather than a conversion. I see often some very impressive factory ebikes on the streets of SF. From: Cecily Walker cecily.wal...@gmail.com To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 2:01 PM Subject: [RBW] Riv e-bike conversion? I know the very idea is anathema, but has anyone had any experience with converting a Rivendell bike of any model to an e-bike? Thanks, Cecily -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- David -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] A restoration is kicked off, officially
;) On Dec 31, 2013, at 8:42 PM, Leslie leslie.bri...@gmail.com wrote: Is this the point where I confess that, getting married 25 years ago, I had a Grateful Dead t-shirt on under my suit? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] What deals they were!
+1 I don't remember what I paid for my custom but it has been the best money I've ever spent on a bike. -JimD On Dec 15, 2013, at 10:17 AM, reynoldslugs be...@perrylaw.net wrote: First one I bought was, I think, less than $1,000. Every frame I've purchased from Rivendell has been worth every penny. The first was around '99 or so, drove down to RBWWHQ to pick up a Heron Road. Not sure but I think it was $950, maybe as high as $1050. That frame became the bike that brought be back into cycling after almost 15 years. It's now the subject of an enjoyable 650B conversion project. thanks Grant - Max B -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Style!
Michael, Just get some Argyle knicker socks and all will be fine. On Dec 13, 2013, at 1:19 PM, Michael Hechmer mhech...@gmail.com wrote: I live in a small town of about 2200 souls and am already considered quite odd. I ride around on a bicycle, meditate, and encourage others to do it! If I started wearing wool knickers, I'd be written off as totally bonkers. Michael You are the universe becoming conscious of itself. On Thursday, December 12, 2013 6:49:03 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote: http://www.classiclightweights.co.uk/ Almost too tweedy! -- RESUMES THAT GET YOU NOTICED! Certified Resume Writer http://resumespecialties.com/index.html patric...@resumespecialties.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Albuquerque, NM -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] test
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[RBW] test
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[RBW] Beausage - Patagonia
http://wornwear.patagonia.com/?sssdmh=dm23.162756 Nice short film about long term usage. -JimD -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Hetres are done.The search continues.
As Grant points out in the new Riv Catalog, inflation pressure is a significant variable. I'm fond of Jack Brown Greens and vary the pressure between 40 psi and 65+ psi. There's a world of difference in 'feel' within that range. -JimD On Nov 28, 2013, at 7:05 AM, Patrick Moore bertin...@gmail.com wrote: Generally but not always true. Schwalbe models somehow are comfortable while being sturdy; I am thinking of the Big Apple (60 mm) and the Kojak (~35 mm). Perhaps they design even belted tires with supple sidewalls. On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 7:49 AM, Matthew J matthewj...@gmail.com wrote: The sturdier tires get, the less comfortable they are. Quite the dilemma, and one to which there is yet any easy solution. -- RESUMES THAT GET YOU NOTICED! Certified Resume Writer http://resumespecialties.com/index.html patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Albuquerque, NM -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] mechanical issues
Which causes me to wonder, is there grease in ketchup? -JimD (more confused than ever.) On Nov 25, 2013, at 3:26 PM, Patrick Moore bertin...@gmail.com wrote: This is a holy war subject that goes back generations. IIRC, the mighty Jobst (pause reverentially. Moment of silence. Mblmblmblmbl. Amen) urges us to grease. Phil, too, IIRC. At any rate, I've dutifully greased for decades and never had a crank arm come loose or otherwise go astray. Here is the holy write (mediated by Sheldon!): http://sheldonbrown.com/brandt/installing-cranks.html On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 12:56 PM, Perry bob...@gmail.com wrote: Grease everything. Then grease it again. Only this time, put your heart into it because you didn't use enough the first time. That's my philosophy, and dang! It works for me the same way Paleo works for Patrick. ;) Then there's this: To grease or not to grease? | Off The Beaten Path So for our René Herse cranks, we recommend that you lightly grease the crank spindle. Also grease the treads of the bolts. Then tighten the bolts to 25 Nm. That is it. If you like, you can check after your first ride that the bolts are tight. Thereafter, leave them alone. http://janheine.wordpress.com/2012/04/16/to-grease-or-not-to-grease/ • Perry -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- RESUMES THAT GET YOU NOTICED! Certified Resume Writer http://resumespecialties.com/index.html patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Albuquerque, NM -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Did Cavemen Eat Yams?
made me laugh. On Nov 23, 2013, at 1:14 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: Look, the diet itself is sound; it’s the philosophy that’s bullshit. Eat what you want. Just leave the damn cavemen out of it.” On 11/23/2013 04:04 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote: Sigh. Then it's a bunch of scientists making fools of themselves, much the same as Marlene Zuk did earlier this year. http://www.marksdailyapple.com/is-it-all-just-a-paleofantasy/#axzz2lVLlYgZq, setting up strawmen and knocking them down. I'd recommend for anyone interest in what the topic in general read The Story of the Human Body by Daniel E. Lieberman, an evolutionary biologist. With abandon, Patrick On Saturday, November 23, 2013 1:21:33 PM UTC-7, Eric Norris wrote: More about the Paleo Diet: http://mumanu.wordpress.com/2013/11/06/archaeologists-officially-declare-collective-sigh-over-paleo-diet/ From the article: “Nearly every food item you currently eat today has been modified from its ancestral form, typically in a drastic way, ” he began. “The notion that we have not yet adapted to eat wheat, yet we have had sufficient time to adapt to kale or lentils is ridiculous. In fact, for most practitioners of the Paleo Diet, who are typically westerners, the majority of the food they consume has been available to their gene pool for less than five centuries. Tomatoes, peppers, squash, potatoes, avocados, pecans, cashews, and blueberries are all New World crops, and have only been on the dinner table of African and Eurasian populations for probably 10 generations of their evolutionary history. Europeans have been eating grain for the last 10,000 years; we’ve been eating sweet potatoes for less than 500. Yet the human body has seemingly adapted perfectly well to yams, let alone pineapple and sunflower seeds.” -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Did Cavemen Eat Yams?
Oh gosh, isn't this the RBW-owners-bunch? We're all about cool aid. On Nov 23, 2013, at 1:37 PM, Perry bob...@gmail.com wrote: Marlene Zuk is a fool but Sisson we should listen to? Patrick, I love you man, but step away from the cool aid. • Perry -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Favorite Bike Build-up 'Secret'
Best tip ever! On Nov 20, 2013, at 7:13 AM, Patrick Moore bertin...@gmail.com wrote: 4. Have a favorite drink handy and pleasant music on the hi-fi. The last drowns out the cursing. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Any Rivsters here commute more than 10 miles one-way? Cold weather tips?
+1 on Marmot dri clime, even for balmy California. -Jim On Nov 14, 2013, at 5:34 PM, Zack zack...@gmail.com wrote: Used to live in Vermont. By far, my favorite riding gear I have ever purchased is a Marmot dri clime windshirt. I wore it on all but the coldest days of the winter (i.e. anything above 15 degrees F) and found it to be an amazing garment. It's like magic. With a merino long sleeve underneath, you are good to go. Blocks the wind, keeps you warm but not overheating. If you were standing around in it in 20 degree weather, it would not be warm enough, but on the bike it's perfect. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Catalogue
Yup, started reading it this weekend - a real treat. On Nov 3, 2013, at 11:19 AM, Patrick Moore bertin...@gmail.com wrote: I had a pleasant surprise last week when I found the new Riv catalogue in the box. As good as a reader! If Grant keeps up his diary, the dearth of bike stuff to read won't be as great. -- RESUMES THAT GET YOU NOTICED! Certified Resume Writer http://resumespecialties.com/index.html patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Albuquerque, NM -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Rivendell BBH visit
+1 best question of the day. On Nov 4, 2013, at 11:13 AM, Coconutbill evan.spa...@gmail.com wrote: Has anyone shaved with a hatchet? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Advice on choosing a warm coat. Slight topic drift.
+1 on the marmot dry clime -JimD On Oct 22, 2013, at 10:34 AM, Zack zack...@gmail.com wrote: if it is specific to riding (i.e. you are planning on wearing it while you ride!) i have a marmot dri clime jacket that is awesome. it is my go-to cold weather jacket. i wore mine all through vermont winters. the key is that it blocks the wind. it's almost like magic. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Stan's - In Tubes?
Ok, all the discussion about Stan's has got me pondering. I looked at their www site and couldn't find much about using the product in tubes. Is putting Stan's in tubes a recommended way to use the goop? I'm inclined to try it that way but wonder about practicality and implementation. -Jim In sunny Cupertino where there are only sporadic encounters with goat heads. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Stan's - In Tubes?
Patrick, I lived and rode in Albuquerque for ~10 years. It was riding there that got me in the habit of carrying three spare tubes (at least) AND a patch kit. Could you reprise how you get the goop into your tubes? Thanks, JimD On Sep 12, 2013, at 7:01 AM, Patrick Moore bertin...@gmail.com wrote: One more thing: I can't emphasize how liberating it is not to have to worry about goatheads. Hitherto, the sole remedy for goatheads was some horrible combination of Slime, 400 gram thornproof tubes, wooden belted tires, and thick tire liners. I described my travails with the Parigi Roubaix when first mounted and before Stan's -- 20 patches in a week. The sole thorn proof system I' used (Big Apples were pretty good but not proof) involved the combination above and riding it felt -- literally -- as if a gremlin were squeezing the brakes. The bosque roads, particularly those less used for recreation, are covered with this year's massive crop of goathead plants, sometimes the vines spreading across the path from side to side. I cheerfully rode through such a patch yesterday and, though the thorns are still to mature, it was not by any means something I'd have done pre-Stan's. On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 7:55 AM, Patrick Moore bertin...@gmail.com wrote: Stan's was invented for tubeless conversions but it works in tubes -- I've used it in my 30 mm Parigi Roubaix (~60 psi) and the F Freds (~25 psi). The sole downside of Stan's, as far as I can tell to date, is that it slowly dries up into little, golf-ball sized latex octopuses and you have to replace it. If used in tubes, this means putting up with the solids in your tubes or replacing the tubes every three to six months. With tubeless, of course, you can simply remove the tire and clean up the carcase. The one flat I've had on my two pairs of Stan's equipped tubes was in the higher pressure pair when a bad patch came undone. I expect Stan's, like other sealants, won't work as well on larger holes such as those from roofing nails, though I could be wrong. But, in my case, all flat dangers, for all practical purposes, are goatheads On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 7:49 AM, jimD rasterd...@comcast.net wrote: Ok, all the discussion about Stan's has got me pondering. I looked at their www site and couldn't find much about using the product in tubes. Is putting Stan's in tubes a recommended way to use the goop? I'm inclined to try it that way but wonder about practicality and implementation. -Jim In sunny Cupertino where there are only sporadic encounters with goat heads. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- RESUMES THAT GET YOU NOTICED! Certified Resume Writer http://resumespecialties.com/index.html patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Albuquerque, NM -- RESUMES THAT GET YOU NOTICED! Certified Resume Writer http://resumespecialties.com/index.html patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Albuquerque, NM -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Who's drinking the Kool Aid?
On Sep 7, 2013, at 10:42 PM, Daniel D. dddon...@gmail.com wrote: Different flavors are great. Trouble arises when someone thinks any flavor other than the ones they choose are crap and only fools would drink it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Who's drinking the Kool Aid?
Not so much in San Jose, Ca, area. Generally folks who know Rivendell, even those on (gasp) carbon fiber bikes know about and appreciate my custom Riv. In those rare cases that I'm asked if I'm a retro-grouch or why I'm riding such ancient technology my reply is that 'it's a great riding bike.' In my view there's all kinds of kook-aid. I'm fond of the lugged steel type, others are attracted to the carbon road brand, some like the full suspension mountain brand. It's all kook-aid and it's all riding. There's all kinds of cliques to join. -JimD On Sep 5, 2013, at 1:33 PM, Corwin Booth corwin.bo...@gmail.com wrote: I was trying to think of some clever reference to the Electric Kool Aid Acid Test, but failed. Probably the *only* think I don't like about riding my Hilsen are the occasional snarky comments about having imbibed in the Petersen Kool Aid. Never mind that everyone knows that we drink miruvor, or that I just happen to agree with riding with normal shoes, fenders, the largest saddlebag I've ever seen! (that was another comment, not uttered in an entirely friendly way), after years of experience... So I really want to respond by saying something about how this person or that drank the clipless Kool Aid, or the skinny tire Kool Aid, or the plastic saddle Kool Aid, and certainly the Karbon Kool Aid. But I never do. I'll bet other folks on this list have experienced this phenomenon... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Who's drinking the Kool Aid?
On Sep 7, 2013, at 11:11 AM, dougP dougpn...@cox.net wrote: I just tell people the 20th century was very good to me so I'll just stay there, thank you. One may have to attain a certain age for that to be believable. dougP On Saturday, September 7, 2013 10:13:17 AM UTC-7, JimD wrote: Not so much in San Jose, Ca, area. Generally folks who know Rivendell, even those on (gasp) carbon fiber bikes know about and appreciate my custom Riv. In those rare cases that I'm asked if I'm a retro-grouch or why I'm riding such ancient technology my reply is that 'it's a great riding bike.' In my view there's all kinds of kook-aid. I'm fond of the lugged steel type, others are attracted to the carbon road brand, some like the full suspension mountain brand. It's all kook-aid and it's all riding. There's all kinds of cliques to join. -JimD On Sep 5, 2013, at 1:33 PM, Corwin Booth corwin...@gmail.com wrote: I was trying to think of some clever reference to the Electric Kool Aid Acid Test, but failed. Probably the *only* think I don't like about riding my Hilsen are the occasional snarky comments about having imbibed in the Petersen Kool Aid. Never mind that everyone knows that we drink miruvor, or that I just happen to agree with riding with normal shoes, fenders, the largest saddlebag I've ever seen! (that was another comment, not uttered in an entirely friendly way), after years of experience... So I really want to respond by saying something about how this person or that drank the clipless Kool Aid, or the skinny tire Kool Aid, or the plastic saddle Kool Aid, and certainly the Karbon Kool Aid. But I never do. I'll bet other folks on this list have experienced this phenomenon... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Rack under load; Toplight mounted; Re-covered Flite
+1 having lived there for ~15 years prior to moving to Calif. I can testify that this is true. -JimD On Sep 6, 2013, at 4:52 PM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote: Parts of New Mexico operate outside the time-space-cultural continuum, causing ripple anomilies among matter and energy that achieve escape veloscity through the wormhole. They call this phenomenon enchantment. Hence the moniker New Mexico: Land of Enchantment. With abandon, Patrick On Friday, September 6, 2013 5:44:27 PM UTC-6, Tom Harrop wrote: I always thought the problem with Patrick's photos was the electrons getting flipped as they crossed the equator to reach me in Australia, but I'm perplexed to report that the upsidedownedness persists even here in Europe... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Moselle Valley ride
Wow. I'm jealous. -JimD On Aug 17, 2013, at 7:08 AM, Tom Harrop twhar...@gmail.com wrote: Over a couple of days last week Cat and I rode our Riv bikes (my 68 cm Bombadil and her 54 cm Homer) along part of the Moselle Valley bike path (Moselradweg) in Rheinland-Pfalz near the border between Germany and Luxembourg. We rode about 200 Km from Trier to Koblenz over 2.5 days plus a side trip or two. The Moselle Valley is a wine growing area and the weather was quite warm. These factors encouraged us to make frequent refreshment stops, which affected our overall speed somewhat, but it was definitely a go-slow-and-enjoy type of trip. We particularly liked the cold, dry Rieslings made from local grapes. In many cases the wineries had gardens or terraces right on the bike path, which are obviously targeted at tourists, but were enjoyable nonetheless. It was a very easy and relaxing ride—I can't remember any hills except where we left the path to ride up into the towns along the sides of the valley—in fact, the most highly represented demographic was probably retirees cruising from town to town on their E-bikes. So the bikes weren't put to any strenuous tests, but they acquitted themselves impeccably apart from a small issue with my Phil Wood hub that I knew about beforehand. The Bombadil carried my large self and most of the luggage without a problem—two panniers, a handlebar bag and a large SaddleSack. I can't say I notice any detrimental handling effects when it's fully loaded, even with (gasp) a front load—it's smooth, stable and steers easily no matter what. One definitely appreciates the 60 mm tyres when loaded (I mean the bike, not myself). We had thought about turning right along the Rhein and continuing for a couple more days from Koblenz to Mainz, but the weather turned nasty so we bailed. We're only an hour's train ride away so we can do that another time. Click here for a photo or two on Cat's flickr account. I'm afraid we didn't really stop to pose the bikes along the way but there are a couple of snaps taken during water breaks, but most are scenic shots so you'll have to pick out the bike ones! Tom Cologne, Germany. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Wearing Wool? How About Riding Wool?
On Jul 28, 2013, at 11:54 PM, Eric Norris campyonly...@me.com wrote: Spotted this at the California state fair. I'm seeing a whole new line of wool products. Forget twine wrapping--THIS is the future. Eric N www.CampyOnly.com CampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuyphoto.JPG-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Century ride training for the un-racer?
There's a ton of good advice here. For myself I'd say training for a century can make it an enjoyable adventure rather than a slog that one survives. …and it isn't just about the distance, cumulative feet climbed is at least as strong a determinant as distance. When I rode Sierra To The Sea this summer I didn't really do the preparation that I'd intended. I relied on my daily 11 mile commute and a few long, mostly flat rides. I survived the tour, had fun, got home totally exhausted. It was a beautiful ride: http://www.flickr.com/photos/rasterdogs/sets/72157634488579030/ Next year I'll do better preparation. -JimD On Jul 17, 2013, at 3:38 PM, Michael john11.2...@gmail.com wrote: Oh yes, Seagull Century. http://www.seagullcentury.org/ I look forward to counting the Rivendell bikes I see there. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Rivendell sittings yesterday, Markleeville Death Ride - was it you?
Max, Good on ya! I've tried twice but have been seduced by ice cream prior to Carson pass. -JimD On Jul 14, 2013, at 4:35 AM, reynoldslugs be...@perrylaw.net wrote: Did this challenging ride yesterday (www.deathride.com) for the seventh time. Quite beautiful, but less than 5% of the riders were on steel. I chose my Orange Rambouillet for the day. I was taking a break on the Ebbets Pass ascent when a nice guy on a tall Rivendell road passed me - his bike was a very nice deep green. Would love to know more about the bike and the paintunfortunately did not have time to talk, Was it you? Also got passed by a strong rider on a white Roadeo, I think right before the Carson Pass climb. Who could that be? Anyway, send a note if you were out on the DR yesterday. Best, Max Beach -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] shipping a bike to Karme Choling
+1 for Air Caddy. On Jul 14, 2013, at 8:44 AM, Joe Bartoe jbar...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi Bo, I have used the Air Caddy system to ship bikes with very good results. The bike is put into the box, attached to a fork mount. All you have to do at the back end is reattach the front wheel, rotate the handlebars into position, and re-insert the seatpost and tighten it down. I've shipped 3 bikes this way now with no issues. You can buy the Air Caddy and even get good pricing on shipping through this site: http://www.shipbikes.com/Whatis.html Hope that helps, Joe Joe Bartoe Synaptic Cycles Bicycle Rentals, Inc. email: j...@synapticcycles.com website: www.synapticcycles.com Twitter: @synapticcycles phone: 949-374-6079 Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2013 08:36:55 -0700 From: borus...@gmail.com To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] shipping a bike to Karme Choling My main bicycling buddy Anne is off to the Buddhist Center in St Johnsbury Vt for two years. She flies in for August and then drives from Washington State at the end of September. Anne comes into Hanover NH by bus and then gets picked up by car. We were thinking of packing and shipping her Miyata 1000 before she flies so she would have it for August and beyond. The bike shops in the area get stunningly bad reviews. Peter White is two hours away and two hours back. It wont kill Anne to do without her bike for August but if there is a solution it would be nice for her to have. Does anyone on the list have local knowledge which would solve Anne's problem? Even knowing there isnt a solution would help. Thanks Bo Richardson Bellingham Wa. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Rivendell sittings yesterday, Markleeville Death Ride - was it you?
You can find great ice cream after coming off of Ebbets prior to climbing Carson. Knowing this I'm no longer tempted to shoot for the five passes. The draw is just too strong. These days the most climbing I'm doing is up Monetbello road to Black Mtn in the Santa Cruz montains. I know the way to Peets when I come down from there. -JimD On Jul 14, 2013, at 2:11 PM, reynoldslugs be...@perrylaw.net wrote: Jim and Addison - I did see one fellow on a really nice looking Gunnar, perhaps it was you - - it was a relatively new Gunnar, I think it was white with the new style of decal. I might be wrong about the color (I was pretty popped when I saw it), I just remember thinking it was a very classy looking bike. As for ice cream and Carson Pass, sometimes it's just the thought of the ice cream (traditionally given out at the top of the pass) that keeps me going. I only did two passes this year - - I spent the last two weeks before the ride in Berlin and Munich eating German food and drinking German beer (Zero riding), and got off a 13 hour transatlantic flight exactly 36 hours before the ride. Not what anyone would call smart training - - so I stuck with the front side of Monitor and the front side of Ebbets, for about 6k' over 50 miles. I'll do better next year. The ride, even a short version, is an epic, magnificent day. The locals turn out in droves and cheer the riders - - literally the full population of Markleeville sits on the court house lawn and cheers the riders. Still looking for the owner of that pretty Rivendell road that passed me ascending Ebbets. Very nice deep emerald green. Max -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Sunday S24O
Speaking for myself, there can never be enough photos. -JimD On Jul 8, 2013, at 7:32 PM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote: Thanks, Doug. I sometimes wonder if I should hit you guys with another outing's photos, but I figure I live vicariously though other's ride reports and photos when I can't get out (whatever the reason) so perhaps someone will enjoy them. With abandon, Patrick On Monday, July 8, 2013 7:30:53 PM UTC-6, dougP wrote: Photos like that make we want to move someplace with lots of trees maybe even real weather (gotta think on that a bit). Capturing a rainbow is a real bonus. So often what our eye sees ends up looking sorta eh? in the photo. dougP On Monday, July 8, 2013 1:08:00 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote: I should have escaped 4th of July weekend on Thursday, but I wasn't that smart, so the town noise overloaded my brain and capacity to escape till Sunday morning. But I achieved escape velocity and made the 10 mile climb to Rampart Reservoir. Several fantastic thunderstorms, one including hail and zero count lightening, countless pipes and quiet solitude, and a jaw dropping double rainbow that followed the contours of the ridge on the other side of the inlet. Delicious! My brain and soul are doing much better now than when I left. http://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/sets/72157634546062347/ With abandon, Patrick www.MindYourHeadCoop.org www.OurHolyConception.org -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Getting a Bike on a Plane
Well done! On Jul 9, 2013, at 8:43 AM, James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.net wrote: Sorry Eric I can't help you, but I can't resist asking the following: If the clerk asks you what's inside your bike box and you answer Bombadil in an airport, are you in big trouble? : ) -Original Message- From: Eric Norris campyonly...@me.com If I'm asked what's inside, what should I say (it has been suggested that I answer, sporting goods, or a mobility device ... even an inline wheelchair)? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] 1 bike? Could you do it?
I have more than 1 bike but my Riv custom is the one that gets ridden the most. http://www.flickr.com/photos/rasterdogs/sets/72157604146015375/ If I ever put fenders on it I'll not keep the others. It would likely be a less than optimum choice for loaded touring but was all I could ask for on Sierra To The Sea: http://www.flickr.com/photos/rasterdogs/sets/72157634488579030/ I understood from Grant that my bike is similar to a Rodeo. Anne Paulson and her Rodeo are in the Sierra To The Sea set. -JimD On Jul 7, 2013, at 4:56 PM, Eric Platt epericmpl...@gmail.com wrote: Of course, even with cars, there is the concept of the winter beater. A northern concept for sure. Of course, if forced, could go to one bike. But then I wouldn't have anything to tinker on! As I've said before, it's like guitars. Sure, could have only one, but having more makes it easier to have the right tool for the job. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 9:19 AM, C.J. Filip c.j.fi...@hotmail.com wrote: If living temporarily 2 years someplace, yes, probably, if I was involved with work and it was a boring location. I'm established in a town I moved to about three years ago with a nice mix of terrain, road surfaces (and qualities) and my Saluki could definitely do all the things I want it to but a dedicated cross county mtb, a beater cross bike, a dedicated road bike (anti-unracer) are permanent residents. Oh, and there's a bike stashed at my parents ~3000 miles away for rides back in the hood. Even if I eliminated all bikes here, there'd still be the Indy Fab back home. On Sunday, July 7, 2013 5:11:12 AM UTC-7, ascpgh wrote: By way of the magnitude of units produced and the entire car, drivetrain included, being (mostly) unique and produced by the same company seems to give them quite an edge in reliability and durability. My car is plan C in my line up at best, but my expectation of being able to undertake a thousand mile drive at any moment is not absurd, nor outside of common expectation for a car. The logic for bicycles being applied to cars would be true if one had really exceptional requirements from an automobile. Off the lot models provide a spectrum of choice and expense to suit most; the game changes when modifications are made which seems the inverse of bicycles. Parts of a bike are collected and assembled by the brands which individuals can do as well, if not better, if the budget is not concerning; don't like the wheels but the bike was a close-out deal if for the component group alone, build some that really suit you. The threads of car group discussions about changing OEM run-flat tires to conventional ones and carrying a spare are epic. Andy Cheatham Pittsburgh On Saturday, July 6, 2013 9:28:54 AM UTC-4, justin...@gmail.com wrote: Do you all own a backup car for each car you own, too? Seems like expensive logic to me! -J -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Sunday S24O
The double rainbow photo is great! -JimD On Jul 8, 2013, at 1:08 PM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote: I should have escaped 4th of July weekend on Thursday, but I wasn't that smart, so the town noise overloaded my brain and capacity to escape till Sunday morning. But I achieved escape velocity and made the 10 mile climb to Rampart Reservoir. Several fantastic thunderstorms, one including hail and zero count lightening, countless pipes and quiet solitude, and a jaw dropping double rainbow that followed the contours of the ridge on the other side of the inlet. Delicious! My brain and soul are doing much better now than when I left. http://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/sets/72157634546062347/ With abandon, Patrick www.MindYourHeadCoop.org www.OurHolyConception.org -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Photos From This Summer's Sierra To The Sea Supported Tour
dougP, I've done some great, small group, supported tours and this ranks near the top. Let the musing begin…. -JimD On Jul 4, 2013, at 8:14 PM, dougP dougpn...@cox.net wrote: Jim: Thanks for the photos. I've heard of this tour but this really makes it interesting. A small group of us were doing our own trip through Napa / Sonoma a few years back, a couple of guys who'd toured in France offered that this area was the equal of Provence, without the currency exchange rate issue. And if you have to forage, Calistoga has pretty good pickings. It's not too early to start musing on 2014. dougP On Thursday, July 4, 2013 4:11:58 PM UTC-7, JimD wrote: A video slideshow and separate image files have been posted on Flickr: Video: http://www.flickr.com/photos/rasterdogs/9211890216/ Individual photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/rasterdogs/sets/72157634488579030/ This is a supported tour. We camped, our gear was transported by our great roadies. Meals were provided by caterers in the various places we camped. Calistoga was the exception, we had to forage there. That was a good thing. As the ride progressed we became more road hardened we developed ways to supplement our caloric requirements and ate some great food at places along the way. Discovered that chocolate milk shakes are a perfect 'recovery' drink. Drank some wine too. Oh, we did a fair amount of climbing. Riding through the wind farm was interesting, in places I found myself needing to peddle to move down hill. Through much of the tour we were on lightly traveled secondary roads. In some case the roads had been lightly maintained. I was happy to be on Jack Browns.The tour crosses California from the Sierras to the Golden Gate and is fabulously beautiful. Details for this annual tour are at: http://www.sierratothesea.org/tour_overview.php The Almaden Cycling Touring Club has been conducting this tour for many years and run it flawlessly. Additionally folks are posting photos here: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Sierra-to-the-Sea-Bicycle-Tour/133995396625061?v=wall This is a great ride and worth anyone's consideration. It was a ton of fun. -JimD -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Photos From This Summer's Sierra To The Sea Supported Tour
+1 generally on Anne's comments and +2 on crossing the bridge. Next time I do this ride I'm taking the SAG across the bridge. -JimD On Jul 4, 2013, at 10:15 PM, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.com wrote: I'm probably biased because Sierra to the Sea is in my backyard as it were, but this area of California is fantastic to ride in. You get everything of California: spectacular mountain scenery, classic California oak grasslands, old goldrush towns, farms in the Delta, beautiful wine country, riverside riding along the Russian River, coast riding along the Pacific Ocean. I'm hoping for a bigger Rivendell presence next year at Sierra to the Sea. It's a really good ride. This year it was mostly Californians, but I understand that in previous years there were more out-of-staters. There was one thing I wish they'd change, and maybe if we had more locals we would. The trip ends with a ride across the Golden Gate Bridge. People from out of the area think they want to do that. Actually, riding across the Bridge on a sunny summer weekend day at midday is awful: there was literally a wheel to wheel traffic jam of bikes going the other way, many of them uncertain riders on rentals. All riders in both directions must ride on the west sidewalk, which is narrow with crosswinds. Plus there are racey types who insist on passing closely, squeezing past the wobbly rental riders. It is just not fun, and if I never ride across the Golden Gate Bridge again it'll improve my life. On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 8:14 PM, dougP dougpn...@cox.net wrote: Jim: Thanks for the photos. I've heard of this tour but this really makes it interesting. A small group of us were doing our own trip through Napa / Sonoma a few years back, a couple of guys who'd toured in France offered that this area was the equal of Provence, without the currency exchange rate issue. And if you have to forage, Calistoga has pretty good pickings. It's not too early to start musing on 2014. dougP On Thursday, July 4, 2013 4:11:58 PM UTC-7, JimD wrote: A video slideshow and separate image files have been posted on Flickr: Video: http://www.flickr.com/photos/rasterdogs/9211890216/ Individual photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/rasterdogs/sets/72157634488579030/ This is a supported tour. We camped, our gear was transported by our great roadies. Meals were provided by caterers in the various places we camped. Calistoga was the exception, we had to forage there. That was a good thing. As the ride progressed we became more road hardened we developed ways to supplement our caloric requirements and ate some great food at places along the way. Discovered that chocolate milk shakes are a perfect 'recovery' drink. Drank some wine too. Oh, we did a fair amount of climbing. Riding through the wind farm was interesting, in places I found myself needing to peddle to move down hill. Through much of the tour we were on lightly traveled secondary roads. In some case the roads had been lightly maintained. I was happy to be on Jack Browns.The tour crosses California from the Sierras to the Golden Gate and is fabulously beautiful. Details for this annual tour are at: http://www.sierratothesea.org/tour_overview.php The Almaden Cycling Touring Club has been conducting this tour for many years and run it flawlessly. Additionally folks are posting photos here: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Sierra-to-the-Sea-Bicycle-Tour/133995396625061?v=wall This is a great ride and worth anyone's consideration. It was a ton of fun. -JimD -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- Anne Paulson My hovercraft is full of eels -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https
Re: [RBW] Photos From This Summer's Sierra To The Sea Supported Tour
Exactly right. Most of the out of area riders I met and rode with used the approach outlined by Anne. -JimD On Jul 5, 2013, at 9:21 AM, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.com wrote: You're better off traveling to San Jose. There are busses from a hotel right at the San Jose airport to the start, and bikes are transported as well. Then there are buses from the finish back to the same hotel. If you were from out of the area, you'd probably fly in or drive and stay at that hotel the night before the busses leave. On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 9:01 AM, dougP dougpn...@cox.net wrote: What are the logistics for getting to the start, assuming one is from out of the area arrives in San Francisco? dougP On Thursday, July 4, 2013 10:15:28 PM UTC-7, Anne Paulson wrote: I'm probably biased because Sierra to the Sea is in my backyard as it were, but this area of California is fantastic to ride in. You get everything of California: spectacular mountain scenery, classic California oak grasslands, old goldrush towns, farms in the Delta, beautiful wine country, riverside riding along the Russian River, coast riding along the Pacific Ocean. I'm hoping for a bigger Rivendell presence next year at Sierra to the Sea. It's a really good ride. This year it was mostly Californians, but I understand that in previous years there were more out-of-staters. There was one thing I wish they'd change, and maybe if we had more locals we would. The trip ends with a ride across the Golden Gate Bridge. People from out of the area think they want to do that. Actually, riding across the Bridge on a sunny summer weekend day at midday is awful: there was literally a wheel to wheel traffic jam of bikes going the other way, many of them uncertain riders on rentals. All riders in both directions must ride on the west sidewalk, which is narrow with crosswinds. Plus there are racey types who insist on passing closely, squeezing past the wobbly rental riders. It is just not fun, and if I never ride across the Golden Gate Bridge again it'll improve my life. On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 8:14 PM, dougP doug...@cox.net wrote: Jim: Thanks for the photos. I've heard of this tour but this really makes it interesting. A small group of us were doing our own trip through Napa / Sonoma a few years back, a couple of guys who'd toured in France offered that this area was the equal of Provence, without the currency exchange rate issue. And if you have to forage, Calistoga has pretty good pickings. It's not too early to start musing on 2014. dougP On Thursday, July 4, 2013 4:11:58 PM UTC-7, JimD wrote: A video slideshow and separate image files have been posted on Flickr: Video: http://www.flickr.com/photos/rasterdogs/9211890216/ Individual photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/rasterdogs/sets/72157634488579030/ This is a supported tour. We camped, our gear was transported by our great roadies. Meals were provided by caterers in the various places we camped. Calistoga was the exception, we had to forage there. That was a good thing. As the ride progressed we became more road hardened we developed ways to supplement our caloric requirements and ate some great food at places along the way. Discovered that chocolate milk shakes are a perfect 'recovery' drink. Drank some wine too. Oh, we did a fair amount of climbing. Riding through the wind farm was interesting, in places I found myself needing to peddle to move down hill. Through much of the tour we were on lightly traveled secondary roads. In some case the roads had been lightly maintained. I was happy to be on Jack Browns.The tour crosses California from the Sierras to the Golden Gate and is fabulously beautiful. Details for this annual tour are at: http://www.sierratothesea.org/tour_overview.php The Almaden Cycling Touring Club has been conducting this tour for many years and run it flawlessly. Additionally folks are posting photos here: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Sierra-to-the-Sea-Bicycle-Tour/133995396625061?v=wall This is a great ride and worth anyone's consideration. It was a ton of fun. -JimD -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- Anne Paulson My hovercraft is full of eels -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch
Re: [RBW] Photos From This Summer's Sierra To The Sea Supported Tour
The ferry is a fine idea. We've ridden from SF over to the Marin headlands, dropped into Sausilito and taken the ferry. Great fun! -JimD On Jul 5, 2013, at 11:05 AM, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.com wrote: I'll think about taking the ferry instead of riding across the bridge. The ride can't have all the riders take the ferry; that would be too many riders on a ferry. But I don't have to follow the prescribed route, and if I do the ride again, I'll take a ferry from Tiburon or Sausalito. It's one thing to cross the Bridge early in the morning, and quite another to cross it at midday on a weekend in summer. On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 10:16 AM, jimD rasterd...@comcast.net wrote: +1 generally on Anne's comments and +2 on crossing the bridge. Next time I do this ride I'm taking the SAG across the bridge. -JimD On Jul 4, 2013, at 10:15 PM, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.com wrote: I'm probably biased because Sierra to the Sea is in my backyard as it were, but this area of California is fantastic to ride in. You get everything of California: spectacular mountain scenery, classic California oak grasslands, old goldrush towns, farms in the Delta, beautiful wine country, riverside riding along the Russian River, coast riding along the Pacific Ocean. I'm hoping for a bigger Rivendell presence next year at Sierra to the Sea. It's a really good ride. This year it was mostly Californians, but I understand that in previous years there were more out-of-staters. There was one thing I wish they'd change, and maybe if we had more locals we would. The trip ends with a ride across the Golden Gate Bridge. People from out of the area think they want to do that. Actually, riding across the Bridge on a sunny summer weekend day at midday is awful: there was literally a wheel to wheel traffic jam of bikes going the other way, many of them uncertain riders on rentals. All riders in both directions must ride on the west sidewalk, which is narrow with crosswinds. Plus there are racey types who insist on passing closely, squeezing past the wobbly rental riders. It is just not fun, and if I never ride across the Golden Gate Bridge again it'll improve my life. On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 8:14 PM, dougP dougpn...@cox.net wrote: Jim: Thanks for the photos. I've heard of this tour but this really makes it interesting. A small group of us were doing our own trip through Napa / Sonoma a few years back, a couple of guys who'd toured in France offered that this area was the equal of Provence, without the currency exchange rate issue. And if you have to forage, Calistoga has pretty good pickings. It's not too early to start musing on 2014. dougP On Thursday, July 4, 2013 4:11:58 PM UTC-7, JimD wrote: A video slideshow and separate image files have been posted on Flickr: Video: http://www.flickr.com/photos/rasterdogs/9211890216/ Individual photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/rasterdogs/sets/72157634488579030/ This is a supported tour. We camped, our gear was transported by our great roadies. Meals were provided by caterers in the various places we camped. Calistoga was the exception, we had to forage there. That was a good thing. As the ride progressed we became more road hardened we developed ways to supplement our caloric requirements and ate some great food at places along the way. Discovered that chocolate milk shakes are a perfect 'recovery' drink. Drank some wine too. Oh, we did a fair amount of climbing. Riding through the wind farm was interesting, in places I found myself needing to peddle to move down hill. Through much of the tour we were on lightly traveled secondary roads. In some case the roads had been lightly maintained. I was happy to be on Jack Browns.The tour crosses California from the Sierras to the Golden Gate and is fabulously beautiful. Details for this annual tour are at: http://www.sierratothesea.org/tour_overview.php The Almaden Cycling Touring Club has been conducting this tour for many years and run it flawlessly. Additionally folks are posting photos here: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Sierra-to-the-Sea-Bicycle-Tour/133995396625061?v=wall This is a great ride and worth anyone's consideration. It was a ton of fun. -JimD -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- Anne Paulson My hovercraft is full of eels -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from
Re: [RBW] Photos From This Summer's Sierra To The Sea Supported Tour
Patrick, Do you like wine and cheese? Prior to dinner in Duncan Mills we shared wine we'd picked up en route and had great fun sampling the various types of wine folks had procured from the wineries along the way. Those who over imbibed had dues to pay the following days when we climbed Coleman valley road. -JimD On Jul 5, 2013, at 12:19 PM, Patrick Moore bertin...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the photos. I particularly noted the red wine-with-burger meal -- my kind! On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 5:11 PM, jimD rasterd...@comcast.net wrote: A video slideshow and separate image files have been posted on Flickr: Video: http://www.flickr.com/photos/rasterdogs/9211890216/ Individual photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/rasterdogs/sets/72157634488579030/ This is a supported tour. We camped, our gear was transported by our great roadies. Meals were provided by caterers in the various places we camped. Calistoga was the exception, we had to forage there. That was a good thing. As the ride progressed we became more road hardened we developed ways to supplement our caloric requirements and ate some great food at places along the way. Discovered that chocolate milk shakes are a perfect 'recovery' drink. Drank some wine too. Oh, we did a fair amount of climbing. Riding through the wind farm was interesting, in places I found myself needing to peddle to move down hill. Through much of the tour we were on lightly traveled secondary roads. In some case the roads had been lightly maintained. I was happy to be on Jack Browns.The tour crosses California from the Sierras to the Golden Gate and is fabulously beautiful. Details for this annual tour are at: http://www.sierratothesea.org/tour_overview.php The Almaden Cycling Touring Club has been conducting this tour for many years and run it flawlessly. Additionally folks are posting photos here: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Sierra-to-the-Sea-Bicycle-Tour/133995396625061?v=wall This is a great ride and worth anyone's consideration. It was a ton of fun. -JimD -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- http://resumespecialties.com/index.html patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Albuquerque, NM -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Photos From This Summer's Sierra To The Sea Supported Tour
A video slideshow and separate image files have been posted on Flickr: Video: http://www.flickr.com/photos/rasterdogs/9211890216/ Individual photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/rasterdogs/sets/72157634488579030/ This is a supported tour. We camped, our gear was transported by our great roadies. Meals were provided by caterers in the various places we camped. Calistoga was the exception, we had to forage there. That was a good thing. As the ride progressed we became more road hardened we developed ways to supplement our caloric requirements and ate some great food at places along the way. Discovered that chocolate milk shakes are a perfect 'recovery' drink. Drank some wine too. Oh, we did a fair amount of climbing. Riding through the wind farm was interesting, in places I found myself needing to peddle to move down hill. Through much of the tour we were on lightly traveled secondary roads. In some case the roads had been lightly maintained. I was happy to be on Jack Browns.The tour crosses California from the Sierras to the Golden Gate and is fabulously beautiful. Details for this annual tour are at: http://www.sierratothesea.org/tour_overview.php The Almaden Cycling Touring Club has been conducting this tour for many years and run it flawlessly. Additionally folks are posting photos here: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Sierra-to-the-Sea-Bicycle-Tour/133995396625061?v=wall This is a great ride and worth anyone's consideration. It was a ton of fun. -JimD -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] I'm not sure I get the connection between bikes and hatchets...
Hah! Well Done. -JimD On Jul 1, 2013, at 6:16 PM, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote: Of course, S24O might explain why I don't get it as a cycling tool. I've never bike camped, and the image I get of such an endeavor is me in the woods with a smartphone, scrolling through Twitter and hoping the scary animals don't get me. For a cyclist, I'm not very outdoorsy :) Joe is my room ready Bernard Vallejo, CA. On Monday, July 1, 2013 6:11:12 PM UTC-7, Matthew J wrote: They are cool. Hand made. Too heavy maybe for a multi-day camping trip, but GP champions the S240. For an over nighter, why not bring a fun axe to prep your fire? On Monday, July 1, 2013 4:56:23 PM UTC-5, Rex Kerr wrote: http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/axe425.htm http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/camping-axe-by-bahco.html I tend to tour heavy, but not THAT heavy! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Devil's Head Ramble
One of the best conclusions to one of the best adventures I've vicariously shared here. -JimD On Jun 8, 2013, at 5:33 AM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote: ….. No newspaper responded to my press release, Manny, sorry. But here are the photos. Grin. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] So.Cal Vs Nor.Cal Rumble ?
I've attended the Great Western Bicycle Rally based in Paso Robles for the past 4 years. This is held in early summer. Even when it is hot in PR, the coast and attendant cooler (much) micro climate is ~30 miles away. The diversity of riding and climate in this area is great. -JimD On Jun 7, 2013, at 10:41 PM, Mike Schiller mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote: the inland routes are too hot for summer. The See Cyn route is close to the ocean and would be fine. We would need to come up with another ride that goes north and is along the coast during mid day and afternoon. Maybe Stagecoach rd to Tv Tower rd to the coast and back thru Morro Bay. ~mike On Friday, June 7, 2013 10:22:26 PM UTC-7, Anne Paulson wrote: Better for fall/winter/early spring than for high summer. On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 9:38 PM, Mike Schiller mikey...@rocketmail.com wrote: food for thought http://pathlesspedaled.com/2013/01/california-dreaming-undiscovered-cycling-playground/ -- -- Anne Paulson My hovercraft is full of eels -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Great Western Bicycle Rally - 2013
The FujiFilm X cameras particularly the X100 and X100S make great cameras to use when riding. Thanks very much for the kudos on the photos. Almost all the pictures are made from raw files processed in LightRoom. I can't praise Paso Robles enough as a great place to ride. Lots of 'country bike' kind of riding there and much variety. Plus the Great Western Bicycle Rally is about as un-racerish multi-day event I've encountered. I enjoy all the little kids zooming around the fairgrounds on their bikes. Cheers, JimD On May 31, 2013, at 6:26 AM, bwphoto bwphotograph...@gmail.com wrote: Great photos! I've been drooling over the the x100 and similar cameras since they first came out. Their compactness reminds me the light and unencumbered feel of my old film cameras, while I love my DSLRs and lenses sometimes I yearn for simplicity. Your BWs are gorgeous, great tonality, they almost look like selenium toned prints, are those straight out of the camera or converted in post? Also, I loved your shots of the urban/suburban landscapes...and the story they tell. On Monday, May 27, 2013 10:42:18 PM UTC-5, JimD wrote: As is our custom, pal Brian and I spent this weekend at the Great Western Bicycle Rally in Paso Robles, CA. The rally is a great family affair and the variety of riding in Paso Robles is excellent. Pictures may prove that it happened: http://www.flickr.com/photos/rasterdogs/ JimD -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] UnRacer Paraphernalia description.
+1 …now I'm off to start my day's silliness. On May 30, 2013, at 7:07 AM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: I think looking silly is part of the human condition. :-) Cheers, David On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 6:40 AM, jeffrey kane jsk_onl...@mac.com wrote: Fussy? I don't know ...it is funny though ... but I also wonder why Riv/GP feels the need to contribute to an already polarized community (cyclers in general) ... while the button is innocuous enough in itself, all the anti-this and anti-that stuff seems unnecessary. I can't help but think whether you're into wearing sausage skin clothing or tooling around an a $4000.00 artisanal hobo bike with a $25.00 basket ... that sort of thing makes everybody come off looking silly. On Wednesday, May 29, 2013 10:31:07 AM UTC-4, Mike wrote: I was poking around the RBW site last night and noticed there are some new small items--Unracer pins, key fobs and magnets. I love the product description which isn't so much a product description as an Unracering battle cry. I don't think it's entirely serious but I like it. I'm sure there are those who will get all fussy about it. Oh well. Check it out: http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/pr71pin.htm mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Loaded Bombadil
And this may be heresy but you can have your cake and eat it too by joining supported tours. In a few weeks I'll start Sierra 2 the Sea. Rode it a couple of years ago and had a blast. JimD (Mr. Wimpy) On May 31, 2013, at 3:22 PM, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.com wrote: Dirty clothes every day? Hard, uncomfortable pad? Giving up the delicious food I like? *Shakes head utterly baffled*? What's the point of being uncomfortable and suffering? If I wanted to be uncomfortable, I wouldn't have bought a Rivendell. I think I'd like touring with Kelly. We have the same touring esthetic. Comfort, good food, hot coffee in the morning. I'm domestic about my touring: I like to settle into my comfortable home under the trees every night. Not for me the furtive after-dark sneak to the spot. On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 9:59 AM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote: Laundry? Change of clothes? Full sized sleeping pad? Food other than boiled or grilled? *Shakes head utterly baffled* What's the point of leaving home if you take it with you? Grin. For me, it was a revelation that I could, on the bike, bring a real tent and my Kelly Kettle and enough clothing that I needn't huddle in the sleeping bag at on cold evenings -- so we started at opposite sides of the spectrum. Have a wonderful trip! With abandon, Patrick On Friday, May 31, 2013 9:13:17 AM UTC-6, Kelly wrote: So the first car just left the driveway on their way to Norfolk. We'll get out of here about 1pm when I get off work. Went for another loaded ride last night.. bike is just so sweet. I had my wife hide the other camera and lenses so I wouldn't be tempted.. in my mind I keep thinking what's another 10 pounds at this point The load is good.. I guess I just don't see how people travel much lighter, and still cook / not just boil and such. It would be easy to cut say 10lbs but it's stuff I would miss and that gets used. Ive been on tours where I set stuff home via ups because I wasn't using it, but this is the stuff that gets used daily. I could save 2lbs with a smaller thermo rest... nope the comfort is much better as is. Save another 2 to 3 lbs with a smaller tent... .n... much to nice on stormy nights as is with two of us... oh.. off load 1/2 the tent on Dawns bike! now that would save me 4lbs right there. Save 2lbs with fewer days of clean clothes and do laundry more often... not worth it. Save 4lbs by not taking the large saddle sack... but what a loss for grocery hauling and picking up things along the way. Save a 2lbs by not taking coffee and french press.. NOT in this LIFE TIME Save a couple of pounds riding smaller tires.. really I thought of that.. sheesh Drop a pound geting rid of the kickstand I think it's time to think about adding camera stuff.. it's only weight and I have lots of gears. Kelly On Thursday, May 30, 2013 2:03:17 PM UTC-5, Kelly wrote: We are headed for a week on the Cowboy Trail. Here is the Bomba after she was loaded up and test ridden. Managed some high speed down hills, dirt, curbs, coffee and assorted ramblings.She's ready for the ride. Here are some photos in front of the House. http://www.flickr.com/photos/tksleeper/8893702606/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/tksleeper/8893054333/ The coffee shop -- http://www.flickr.com/photos/tksleeper/8893701496/ So I tried to pack lighter this time around. Though I ended up with lots more space / room the weight only dropped about 5 lbs. So in the photos is 70lbs of gear including bag and pannier weight. That's ok I traveled a lot of miles at 80ish pounds so why fight it. On a side note I took the AHH to the Horsey Hundred this last weekend. Carried about 15 to 20 lbs of camera gear and stuff both days and had a great time. http://www.flickr.com/photos/tksleeper/8892736746/ Note the large saddlesack makes a great camera case with the addition of some foam padding... http://www.flickr.com/photos/tksleeper/8603144807/in/set-72157632471917923 Have a great week next week while I'm riding my bike... oops another side note. of the 9 people going with me from St Louis for this ride, there are four Rivs, all from the St Louis area. Not to mention but a beautiful Bruce Gordon, 2 LHT, a Giant OCR Tour (my old one), and the Holdsworth resurrected again as a loaner bike. One more day of work and I'm outa here.. !!! Kelly -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out
[RBW] Great Western Bicycle Rally - 2013
As is our custom, pal Brian and I spent this weekend at the Great Western Bicycle Rally in Paso Robles, CA. The rally is a great family affair and the variety of riding in Paso Robles is excellent. Pictures may prove that it happened: http://www.flickr.com/photos/rasterdogs/ JimD -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Riv Suggestion Box: San Marcos
+1 On May 11, 2013, at 10:23 AM, John Blish jbl...@gmail.com wrote: The Soma badge is merely a cloaking device. Those with the means and ability can see through it and know it is a Riv design. Those who lack the means or ability to see that don't know the difference between a Riv and a Soma design anyway. You will be able to tell in which category to place someone who starts up a conversation based on how they identify it without them even knowing that you are doing so. -jb On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 2:17 PM, Doug Williams salg...@minbaritm.com wrote: I’m looking at getting a San Marcos from Rivendell soon. Of course, I would REALLY prefer a Roadeo, if only I could find another $1,300. But I digress. As a big Rivendell fan, I have to say that the one annoying thing about the San Marcos is the lack of anything (other than the very small print on the chainstay) that mentions that it is a Rivendell. Well, we can’t do anything about the decals (they have clear-coat over them) but what about the headbadge? Couldn’t Riv put a Rivendell headbadge on the San Marcos for those frames purchased from Riv HQ and fully assembled by Rivendell elves with all parts purchased from Rivendell? Sounds petty, I know. But reading the web, I am not the only one with this petty hang-up. A Rivendell headbadge could be a big incentive for people to buy the San Marcos from Rivendell instead of Amazon (or wherever). I hear that a blow dryer will soften up the glue and allow the San Marcos headbadge to be easily removed and replaced with a Rivendell one. J Of course, I don’t know what the Riv contract with Soma might say about this. Doug -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- John Blish Minneapolis MN USA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] A Photo From My Commute
Yes it's a custom. ~4 years old. Modeled after my now gone Romulus. I don't know what Grant did but it rides better (way better) than my Romulus did. More photos here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/rasterdogs/sets/72157604146015375/ -JimD On May 3, 2013, at 7:50 PM, Michael john11.2...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the pic. Nice looking bike and set up. Is that a Riv Custom? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Riding without a computer
Being a contrarian, I will not carry my watch on a bike ride. I do have a bike computer though . Now we should address helmets and chain lube. -JimD On May 4, 2013, at 9:11 AM, charlie cl_v...@hotmail.com wrote: I have a wristwatch so I know when to be where I am going.smart phones, Garmin's, cycle computers all very creepy to me. I know I can average 10-20 mph depending on the route/conditions with 12 mph being about average even when out of shape,tired or sick. Its easy to figure how long it will take me to get somewhere. On Friday, May 3, 2013 9:50:44 AM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote: My iPhone is my external brain (like a wheelchair for a paraplegic), so that's why I keep it with me. With abandon, Patrick On Friday, May 3, 2013 9:45:01 AM UTC-6, Eric Peterson wrote: The gadgets I use are important to me for two reasons: to collect information, and as navigational aids. I don't have much problem with them controlling me. If you want to be somewhere, or know where you are so you can determine when you will be somewhere, a cyclometer and basic GPS are pretty useful. I ride a lot of brevets, and also plan and ride a lot of local rides, so these tools are invaluable for those purposes. If you always ride the same routes then after a while you know the way, but I am always wanting to try new ones. However I do not have a smartphone, nor even a cell phone. It's baffling to me why everyone these days seems to think you need one. Eric Peterson Naperville, IL On Thursday, May 2, 2013 6:23:24 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote: The thread asking about computers got me thinking -- I bet there are others here who intentionally do not ride with a computer. I was curious your experiences. Here are mine… I ride without a computer. Why? Because I am too stupid to control the gadget rather than unwittingly allowing the gadget control me. For instance, rather than riding to effort, I found I rode to speed. It is much, much harder to listen to my body and what it needs with the allure of the utterly irrelevant speed number out in front of me. So, like an idiot, I try and keep a certain speed going up a hill or on a flat or in a headwind, rather than sensibly listening to my body and pedaling at a consistent effort. The idea here is that horses and other animal powered locomotion go by effort. They go slower up hills and in headwinds and with heavy loads. But I think my mindset living with a car and driving one for so many years became based on speed. I'm going 75 on the highway and sure there is a hill here, so I put the gas pedal down and maintain 75. This mentality ended up driving my cycling experience when I had a computer in front of me. I know it's idiotic, but there you are. WIth that number out there my mind could not let go the idea that I should maintain speed. But that is no fun (unless I choose it). So back in my pre-Riv days, when I rode a recumbent trike, I ditched the computer and have been much happier ever sense. I don't track or log milage, times or any other data (I don't for running either). I use maps (including my iPhone) for navigation, and that's it. No computer, for me, makes it much easier to Just Ride. With abandon, Patrick www.MindYourHeadCoop.org www.OurHolyConception.org -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] A Photo From My Commute
The past several days have been very summer like here in Northern Calif. I'm lucky to have a ~7 mile ride to work and am able to commute most days. Here's a photo taken on the bike trail (~1 mile) portion of the route : http://www.flickr.com/photos/rasterdogs/8704118372/in/photostream -JimD -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Riding without a computer
+1 mostly. I have one of those widgets that does all this 'normal' stuff and records altitude, I'm fond of that. -JimD On May 2, 2013, at 9:30 PM, hangtownmatt hangtownm...@yahoo.com wrote: Personally, I like my computer. Primarily, I like the odometer. I like to know how many miles I get out of a set of tires, a chain, and various other consumables/components. I like to know how many miles I rode his year, last year, and how many miles I have on my Sam Hillborne. I also keep a log. My log dates back to 1994.At 55, I'm not controlled by a speedometer. I really don't pay attention to it that much, but when I do, it helps keep things in perspective. And that might just be what I like most about it ... it keeps me from becoming a legend in my own mind. Matt -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Rivendell names
+1 on Paso Robles as a great place for riding. -JimD On Apr 27, 2013, at 7:50 PM, dougP dougpn...@cox.net wrote: Shot this northeast of Paso Robles a while back: http://www.flickr.com/photos/33786397@N03/8687623510/in/photostream Just stumbled across it in my random access photo filing system thought it may be of interest. There's a really fun loop from around the Paso Robles airport area, north to Hog Canyon (much nicer than it sounds) looping around to San Miguel, crossing 101 into the hills above Paso, then back into town. Lots of great riding up there, one of my favorite riding areas. dougP -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] First Generation Bosco's
Cool photo! Thanks, JimD On Apr 9, 2013, at 2:58 PM, Liesl li...@smm.org wrote: Well friends, imagine my surprise when I found this photo taken by my grandfather in about 1932. The girl on the right bicycle is my mother; the little guy up in the tree is her brother and the other girl is her sister. The boy on the Early Double Top-Tube Riv with the first bullmoose top-tube prototype Bosco's is a mystery. So now it all makes sense: it's genetic! Riv Chica Warrior, Jr. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. Mom Bikes, circa 1932.tiff -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] The Wasco County Ramble!
Too much information! ;) On Apr 7, 2013, at 11:23 AM, Andy Smitty Schmidt 54ca...@gmail.com wrote: Unlike in real life, most of what Mike said above is true. The one thing I'll add is that at one point in the Tygh Valley I did a snot rocket and it was so windy that the wind blew the projectile back onto my glasses. But it wasn't just on my glasses it was on the inside of my glasses. I was happy to have my $2 bandana from Riv on hand. On top of that all I have to add is a link to the pics I took... Wasco County Country Bike Ramble Pics --Smitty -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Sidepull brakes versus Cantilevers
+1 on the Silver side pulls. -JimD On Apr 5, 2013, at 12:05 AM, Brian Hanson stone...@gmail.com wrote: I have now ridden most of the brake types out there, and on my Rivs, I've had Silver sidepulls, Paul Racer centerpulls, and Tektro 720 cantis. All of them have stopped without issue - I've locked up all three at times doing hard panic stops, and have not had any spills (other than unclipping, but we don't talk about that in this group...) As for maintenance, by far my favorite are the Silver sidepulls. Super easy to install/adjust. Uber simple to release when I change a tire. If you want pure power, as in I'm ripping down a steep singletrack and need to slow down or die, I would go with V-brakes or hydraulic discs. Big knobby tires have more bite, so you need more brake (Mechanical Advantage) to make them break free and skid. Road tires don't need as much MA to skid... I am of average height/build for reference. If you are a Clydesdale, you would be best served by another opinion from a heavy rider. Brian Hanson Seattle, WA On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 11:25 AM, john johnco...@comcast.net wrote: I've been searching the archives for a specific topic which I have not found. Excuse me if I missed it. Due to the fact that an auto struck me while riding, ruining the original the fork of my Sam Hillborne (with cantilever studs), I got a replacement fork (Thanks Rivendell!) which didn't have the studs for canti's. Thus, I'm now using Tektro 559 sidepulls, rather than Tektro 720 canti's, which was spec'd on the bike. I've read much about types of brakes, their various attributes, and etc. Some argue cantilevers have more stopping power (greater mechanical advantage) than sidepulls. Some argue side pulls are simple, elegant, and easier to adjust. Some say, racers have been using sidepulls for years, why not me? Others say neither option is the best; centerpull brakes are the way to go. Then, there is the linear pull brake (V brake), which is another type of cantilever, I believe. Not to mention disc brakes, both mechanical and hydraulic Although I value statistical analysis (Bike Quarterly), I prefer to hear from people who actually ride certain brakes, and what the like, and dislike. I'm not enough of a tech-minded person to stay with all the detail of mechanics. The question is this: Those of you who have used both cantilevers and sidepulls on a Rivendell frame (especially on a Sam Hill, but any will do, I think), which do you prefer for stopping power (not aesthetics), and why? That is to say, if you were to spec a new bike, and it were a road bike, not intended for touring with massive loads but for day rides, multiday tours, even touring any distance with less than 50 pounds, which brakes would you choose, and why? I'm interested in knowing why Rivendell changed their choice of brakes on the stock Sam Hill. from a cantilevered bike to a side pull spec'd bike. Perhaps they save cost in frame production? Perhaps they prefer sidepulls? Perhaps they needed to purchase many of their designed Tektro 559's in order for Tektro to make them? In any case, I'd be curious to hear what folks have to say on the topic. As for myself...I'm still on the fence. I like the sidepull's looks much better. I like the ease of adjustment. I think their stopping power is not as great as the cantilevers - at least compared to my Tektro 720 cantilevers with yokozuma pads. But they're close. Close enough? Depends on how steep the hill, how much weight is on the bike, and etc., of course. In the end, I know it's a very personal choice. Thanks. John -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http
Re: [RBW] There's time for Everything.
'Gold fish on Diablo'? Now that's exotic, even for California! Jenny and Manny's photos are great. -JimD On Mar 24, 2013, at 10:05 PM, Manuel Acosta manueljohnaco...@hotmail.com wrote: http://www.plattyjo.com/2013/03/weekend-shenanigans-an-accidental-century-dirty-diablo/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
