Re: [RBW] Re: Ride Report: The Willard Bay 200k

[John Bokman]

Whatever Roadini you're riding is FAST! I want one! However, I suspect 
there may be something to do with the motorCongrats.

On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 12:17:13 PM UTC-7 Brady Smith wrote:

> Hi John, 
>
> I think this is a 2020 Roadini, so the answer is probably first gen.  I 
> bought the frame off this list. In theory it clears a 38mm tire; the 
> biggest I've tried is 35mm. I had 32mm Continental Grand Prix 4 Seasons on 
> it for this ride, which seems to be the sweet spot for most riding I do on 
> this bike.
>
> I normally use a Black Mountain Cycles monster cross for randonneuring and 
> keep the Roadini stripped down for weekend road adventures, but the 
> weather/conditions were such that I didn't need to worry about layers or 
> supplies or lighting on this ride, so the Roadini got the call. Great bike. 
>
> BMS
>
> On Wed, Apr 24, 2024 at 1:12 PM John Bokman  wrote:
>
>> Is this a first gen, or later roadini?  Curious: on what tires did you 
>> ride this event? Any pictures?
>>
>> John
>> Portland, OR
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 10:01:38 AM UTC-7 Brady Smith wrote:
>>
>>> I'd been looking forward to this ride for a long time. 
>>>
>>> I turned 40 in the fall, not long after my dad was diagnosed with 
>>> leukemia. He knew he was sick when he started the first day of RAGBRAI last 
>>> summer and found the first 40 hot and hilly miles of an 80 mile day 
>>> unbearably, miserably difficult. 
>>>
>>> He's fine now, at least for now, having made amazingly quick and 
>>> complication free work of chemotherapy and a bone marrow transplant, 
>>> facilitated by the extraordinary generosity of a college student whom I owe 
>>> a case of beer and then some when we're allowed to know who he is, and the 
>>> skill of the oncologists and transplant team at the University of Colorado. 
>>>
>>> Needless to say, this illness provoked a fair amount of reflection and 
>>> no small amount of urgency when it comes to cycling, especially since 
>>> cycling has been so central to our relationship, and since the appearance 
>>> of the leukemia on a week-long cycling event made it abundantly clear just 
>>> how quickly one can go from able to not-so-able. 
>>>
>>> I've been a randonneur for a while, having gotten into it during my days 
>>> commuting from Fort Lee, NJ into NYC. Until last year, I'd only ever 
>>> managed 200ks, largely due to family and work obligations. I've always 
>>> loved the sport, and wanted to do more, but it was also incredibly easy for 
>>> things to get in the way, especially given how limited our brevet calendar 
>>> is where I live now in Utah, and how busy one gets as an educator in the 
>>> spring. 
>>>
>>> This fall, though, I put my name in the lottery for 
>>> London-Edinburgh-London 2025, and I got in. I've never been a slow rider, 
>>> but I've never been particularly fast either. My 300k last year was 15 
>>> hours; I managed 400k in 21 hours, and that with a few flats and a sidewall 
>>> cut and some patching of tubes at a Wendy's while eating a cheeseburger in 
>>> the hopes of not having to do it again in the mountains in the dark. 
>>>
>>> I could probably manage LEL after a summer of randonneuring, but at 300k 
>>> a day for five days is imposing no matter what one has done before. I set a 
>>> goal to get faster--to lose some weight and finally be able to ride with 
>>> the PBP finishers who always blasted off at the start of our brevets, never 
>>> to be seen again. I doubled down on weekend nordic skiing this winter and 
>>> bought a Zwift hub, upon which I mount my Roadini, which is transformed, 
>>> somewhat irritatinglly, into an S-Works Tarmac in the app. Tired of running 
>>> alone in the dark and the cold before work, I started riding most mornings, 
>>> sometimes doing group rides, sometimes racing, sometimes just plugging 
>>> along next to a pacer bot. 
>>>
>>> It's boring but effective. I could tell on my first mountain bike rides 
>>> this spring that I was stronger. I was climbing hills in higher gears than 
>>> I ever had before. I set a new personal best up Emigration Canyon a few 
>>> weeks ago. But a 200k is not a short weekend ride, and my one opportunity 
>>> to go long ahead of this event was a mixed bag, though in hindsight that 
>>> was probably entirely due to having spent a few days prior couch surfing in 
>>> a friends' apartment in NYC. 
>>>
>>> When we

[RBW] Favorite clip-in/flat pedal combo?

[John Bokman]

Rivsters: 

I've ridden many many years on Speedplay Frogs with great enjoyment.
I've also ridden for years on flat pedals (MKS Sylvan Touring are my 
favorite) with great enjoyment.

I'm now curious about trying something I thought I'd never try: A 
clipless-flat combo pedal.  Because there are times  - especially on longer 
rides - when I want more foot support than my flat pedals provide. (Yes, 
I've used larger flat pedals - VP Vice - and found no effective difference 
to my MKS Sylvan in this regard.)

So for those of you who still ride clipless, and who in fact use a combo 
pedal: What's your favorite?

John

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[RBW] Re: Ride Report: The Willard Bay 200k

[John Bokman]

Is this a first gen, or later roadini?  Curious: on what tires did you ride 
this event? Any pictures?

John
Portland, OR

On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 10:01:38 AM UTC-7 Brady Smith wrote:

> I'd been looking forward to this ride for a long time. 
>
> I turned 40 in the fall, not long after my dad was diagnosed with 
> leukemia. He knew he was sick when he started the first day of RAGBRAI last 
> summer and found the first 40 hot and hilly miles of an 80 mile day 
> unbearably, miserably difficult. 
>
> He's fine now, at least for now, having made amazingly quick and 
> complication free work of chemotherapy and a bone marrow transplant, 
> facilitated by the extraordinary generosity of a college student whom I owe 
> a case of beer and then some when we're allowed to know who he is, and the 
> skill of the oncologists and transplant team at the University of Colorado. 
>
> Needless to say, this illness provoked a fair amount of reflection and no 
> small amount of urgency when it comes to cycling, especially since cycling 
> has been so central to our relationship, and since the appearance of the 
> leukemia on a week-long cycling event made it abundantly clear just how 
> quickly one can go from able to not-so-able. 
>
> I've been a randonneur for a while, having gotten into it during my days 
> commuting from Fort Lee, NJ into NYC. Until last year, I'd only ever 
> managed 200ks, largely due to family and work obligations. I've always 
> loved the sport, and wanted to do more, but it was also incredibly easy for 
> things to get in the way, especially given how limited our brevet calendar 
> is where I live now in Utah, and how busy one gets as an educator in the 
> spring. 
>
> This fall, though, I put my name in the lottery for 
> London-Edinburgh-London 2025, and I got in. I've never been a slow rider, 
> but I've never been particularly fast either. My 300k last year was 15 
> hours; I managed 400k in 21 hours, and that with a few flats and a sidewall 
> cut and some patching of tubes at a Wendy's while eating a cheeseburger in 
> the hopes of not having to do it again in the mountains in the dark. 
>
> I could probably manage LEL after a summer of randonneuring, but at 300k a 
> day for five days is imposing no matter what one has done before. I set a 
> goal to get faster--to lose some weight and finally be able to ride with 
> the PBP finishers who always blasted off at the start of our brevets, never 
> to be seen again. I doubled down on weekend nordic skiing this winter and 
> bought a Zwift hub, upon which I mount my Roadini, which is transformed, 
> somewhat irritatinglly, into an S-Works Tarmac in the app. Tired of running 
> alone in the dark and the cold before work, I started riding most mornings, 
> sometimes doing group rides, sometimes racing, sometimes just plugging 
> along next to a pacer bot. 
>
> It's boring but effective. I could tell on my first mountain bike rides 
> this spring that I was stronger. I was climbing hills in higher gears than 
> I ever had before. I set a new personal best up Emigration Canyon a few 
> weeks ago. But a 200k is not a short weekend ride, and my one opportunity 
> to go long ahead of this event was a mixed bag, though in hindsight that 
> was probably entirely due to having spent a few days prior couch surfing in 
> a friends' apartment in NYC. 
>
> When we pulled out of the Centerville Walmart and headed north along a 
> mostly flat course to the tiny town of Corinne, Utah and back again, my 
> plan was "Hold on as long as you can, but no longer." 
>
> It was a beautiful day, with a high of around 70 degrees, and a slight 
> headwind as we moved north, which meant that we would largely have the wind 
> at our backs as we came home. I stayed with the lead group, mostly much 
> more seasoned riders than me, up through the first control, thinking that 
> I'd drop back after we headed out to make sure I didn't blow up later in 
> the ride. 
>
> When push came to shove, though, I kept on going. The second quarter of 
> the ride was hilly and windy, and I started to feel a bit queasy as I 
> worked through a big section of rollers that led up to lunch. 
>
> At lunch, I mentally resolved to drop back and save myself the misery that 
> I figured was out ahead, but after eating and getting back on the road, I 
> couldn't bring myself to do it. I spent fifteen miles yo-yoing off the back 
> of the group, watching my heart rate spike, thinking that I was about to 
> lose them for good, until the pizza/soda/bratwurst/energy bar combo I ate 
> in Corinne kicked in, and I realized I was going to stay with the pack 
> through to the end. 
>
> The last 40 miles or so were pure cycling bliss, a pack of riders on a mix 
> of steel and carbon riding swiftly along the shorelands of the Great Salt 
> Lake. I've always cruised alone around 15 miles an hour, perhaps having the 
> energy to go faster but never really willing to push it; watching the group 
> pass 20 

[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne Pictures Thread

[John Bokman]

Black and green are very, very nice. However, I'm excited to see a 
Periwinkle up on the Riv site! Might have to get Sam #2.

John

On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 9:18:12 PM UTC-7 gre...@gmail.com wrote:

> Love this Sam. Is this the same green the new batch of Sam's are coming in?
>
> On Monday, March 18, 2024 at 8:21:13 a.m. UTC-6 Davey Two Shoes wrote:
>
>> [image: Image (002).jpeg]T
>> This bike brings me tremendous joy
>> On Monday, February 26, 2024 at 11:26:18 PM UTC-5 John Bokman wrote:
>>
>>>  I already own one  - a pumpkin orange from 2017. If they offer the new 
>>> one in the black they once sold, I'm in for another! I'll set it up as my 
>>> "fast" Sam - no racks, light wheels and tires, etc. That is far and away my 
>>> favorite of all the Riv colors I've seen, across the fleet.
>>>
>>> John
>>> Portland OR
>>> On Monday, February 26, 2024 at 4:41:21 PM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:
>>>
>>>> Who plans to buy a Sam Hillborne in May when they are due to arrive? 
>>>> And, I wonder what colors they will offer. This photo thread is fun to 
>>>> see. 
>>>> Doug
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, February 26, 2024 at 6:24:11 PM UTC-5 John Rinker wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Great to see all these beautiful and functional Hillbornes. Although I 
>>>>> don't have one myself, I do think the Hillborne blue/grey is my favorite 
>>>>> of 
>>>>> the Rivendell colors. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers, John
>>>>>
>>>>> On Monday, February 26, 2024 at 1:17:36 PM UTC-8 Paul in Dallas wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> It is fun to see the variety of builds on the Sam's.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It looks like the majority have some type of upright / swept back 
>>>>>> style handlebars
>>>>>> although of course the Sam is so versatile to accommodate a road bar 
>>>>>> if preferred .
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If recalling correctly I saw orange, silver, light blue , green, 
>>>>>> black and a yellow perhaps mustard like color Sam. (Not sure what Riv 
>>>>>> called it)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cool stuff.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm enjoying the thread.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Paul in Dallas 
>>>>>>
>>>>>

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[RBW] Re: Ordaho, Desert Shenanigans Loop- Trip Report

[John Bokman]

Super Cool! Thanks for posting Diana. It is indeed a splendid part of the 
World.

John
Portland, OR

On Sunday, April 21, 2024 at 7:52:04 AM UTC-7 diana@gmail.com wrote:

> [image: PXL_20230708_195428168.jpg]
> ^end picture, dirt people. 
>
> Apologies for the odd way of posting. I still have NOT figured out how to 
> post more than a single picture (which is an improvement from before when I 
> used a google photo link).
> On Sunday, April 21, 2024 at 7:50:04 AM UTC-7 Diana H wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> [image: PXL_20230708_125055855.jpg]
>> Day 7 picture - I didn't mention we rode past portions of the OR Trail. 
>> Amazingly cool!
>>
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[RBW] Re: Drop Bombadil in the depths of the Old Forest

[John Bokman]

Looks great Jason. Also curious about the stem. And wondering what width 
tires under those fenders? Looks like you may have break-away fender tabs 
on there?

John
On Wednesday, March 27, 2024 at 5:31:52 PM UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:

> This bike is not new to most of you, but I wanted to share a proper photo 
> taken by a friend of the current configuration. The photo was taken midway 
> up a low-traffic, rather technical hiking trail that followed a creek up 
> the mountain to the powerline cut where we were aiming. None of it was 
> rideable, nor did we expected it would be. It's a heck of an upper body 
> workout, and frustrating at times, but I've been enjoying these "rides" 
> where we try to link up sections we know are good using as little pavement 
> as possible. The key has been to accept that there will be some 
> hike-a-bike. 
>
> Anyhow, the Bombadil, which I've had since October 2020, purchased from 
> Joe, and repainted by Chris DeKerf around Christmas 2021, is now in "drop 
> bar adventure bike" configuration. It's strange, no doubt, to have a 
> Hillborne and Bombadil and to put the drop bars on the Bombadil. But my 
> logic is - the Hillborne is a great commuter and errand bike on Albatross 
> and with the pannier rack. It's got a kickstand, too. The Bombadil may be 
> stout but it's capable of just about anything, and with drop bars it feels 
> pretty sporty and not unlike a 'monstercross' rig. Just prettier. 
>
> Plans at present include: install the SON fender mount tail light I have 
> around, add a M1-B front rack so I can run a larger bag, and swap the 
> bright fender flap for a grey Riv one I have kicking around. I also have a 
> full canvas camp setup using R-10 and Tubus Tara racks; looking forward to 
> some more adventures on this soon! 
>
> [image: 103081.jpg] 

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Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2024

[John Bokman]

I'm not on FB. Anyone have info on this bike? Who's selling, where located, 
for instance?

John
Portland, OR

On Friday, March 22, 2024 at 9:35:54 AM UTC-7 maxcr wrote:

> PSA: beautiful green 58cm Rambouillet in the FB riv buy/sell group.
>
> No connections to the seller and they don't seem to know their asking 
> price yet, but if you've been looking for one, this one looks great!
>
> [image: ram.jpg]
>
> On Friday, March 22, 2024 at 9:56:55 AM UTC-4 Elisabeth Sherwood wrote:
>
>> Btw, the Reston (VA) Homer is now down to $2,500.
>>
>>
>> https://washingtondc.craigslist.org/nva/bik/d/reston-rivendell-homer-hilsen/7726857824.html
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, March 21, 2024 at 7:40:06 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> That Reston Homer is nicely appointed and a good deal for someone right 
>>> for a 47cm!
>>>
>>> On Thursday, March 21, 2024 at 9:43:22 AM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 Your patience continues to earn you money.  Now the price is down to 
 $6000.  Wait until September and you'll get paid to take it.  

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

 On Friday, March 15, 2024 at 8:46:10 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I love a bargain 
>
> On Friday, March 15, 2024 at 7:40:48 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> It's on special offer now to those of us who are watching it.  Now 
>> avaiable for the low low price of $6250.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 13, 2024 at 9:59:37 AM UTC-7 LBleriot wrote:
>>
>>> Yikes!  I would love to add a Heron Touring to go with my Road, but 
>>> this Ebay listing is kind of a silly way to solicit real offers.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, March 13, 2024 at 12:26:30 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Obviously the Chris King Headset Composite Index has gone through 
 the roof.

 On Tue, Mar 12, 2024 at 6:37 PM Josh C  
 wrote:

> wow
>
> On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 3:33:10 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> $7000  In a word, HA!  At least they are taking offers...  
>>
>> BL in EC
>>
>> On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 12:28:26 PM UTC-7 Michael Morrissey 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Heron Touring 
>>> 55cm
>>> $7000
>>> Walled Lake, Michigan
>>> Rare rare rare parts like Titanium Chris King headset, Nitto 
>>> racks, and full Campagnolo...
>>>
>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/176156925449?itmmeta=01HRQFP37XW2ZW9W57MX91XV8H=item2903c55e09:g:1-QAAOSwlT9le1Vr=enc%3AAQAI4A7jbJYmJLb0qhGidg8sdvoie5vcUpIvYrS%2BSMvrLJLvPiSDvKpjMsaHlJTCd1soc%2BS7lyI3DhBCJIMPjYbsw%2Bz2jx3FF1A8HaYOsrSGCGDojnJMNqrJC9m0GJvRkaVV7ejS4wIjNmkGPkl5PLpOEQlbXY8ub8%2FhPJelndP333HN%2B5YXfIBsGZBcK%2BedK1MLmQWY7kHqX4c4AzxDVzG%2B1rJVrllsTotNUBw2pKEhm%2BQDzzEV4sTfCquOQ0jScQhSElZQaXk3KjAGccNhRMGhT54kCgPjyFiebEPpJtvqbTfN%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR4C02O_FYw
>>>
>>> On Sunday, March 3, 2024 at 5:36:38 PM UTC-5 Matthew Williams 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Roadini
 57cm
 2000
 Emeryville, CA


 https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/emeryville-rivendell-leo-roadini/7720529232.html

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Re: [RBW] It's New Bike What?

[John Bokman]

That ride looks like so much fun! Love the color pop of the Red brakes on 
Purple frameset. Reminds me of days on my 1994 Maroon mustached XO-3. Also 
my 1990 MB2 (because it was also purple). Thanks for posting Corwin.

John

On Saturday, March 23, 2024 at 3:30:25 AM UTC-7 Eric Daume wrote:

> Looks great, and I love the color, and the fat tires with the Albastache 
> combo.
>
> I think you win the Riv with the lowest bars award!
>
> Eric
>
> On Sat, Mar 23, 2024 at 2:03 AM Corwin Zechar  wrote:
>
>> It's definitely not new bike day. That was back in the first week of 
>> February. Not even New Bike Month. So it's New Bike Quarter?
>>
>> Anyway, I picked up my much anticipated and long-awaited custom Rivendell 
>> last month. Some interesting aspects include:
>>
>> 1) SRAM drop bar levers mounted on opposite sides (with respect to normal 
>> drop bar mounting) on Nitto Albastache bars - as suggested by Bill Lindsay.
>>
>> 2) A Fizik Aliante Gamma saddle recovered by Mick Peel in Australia and 
>> sporting the Rivendell logo.
>>
>> 3) A Rich Lesnik built wheelset with Onyx hubs and Velocity Quill rims.
>>
>> 4) SRAM rear derailer and SRAM bar-end shifters.
>>
>> 5) Shimano Ultegra 6650 compact double crankset with TA Specialities 
>> chainrings
>>
>> 6) Chris King bottom bracket with outboard bearings.
>>
>> 7) DT Swiss skewers.
>>
>> 8) Custom lug carving by Mark Nobilette.
>>
>> 9) Ritchey Micro Road pedals.
>>
>> 10) Tektro CX 8.4 short-pull V-brakes.
>>
>> The main difference between my new custom and the old custom are the 
>> cantilever posts and lug carving.
>>
>> I can report that my new custom feels just like my old custom - wherever 
>> it is. I rode the bike in the Redlands Strada Rossa last Saturday and it 
>> performed flawlessly - despite my lack of experience on dirt roads and 
>> singletrack.
>>
>> A few photos illustrating the most salient aspects follow...
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>> Corwin
>>
>> [image: drivetrain.jpg][image: carvedLugs.jpg]
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[RBW] Re: Revisiting the Nitto 52f Basket Rack

[John Bokman]

Yeah, but surely this isn't going to solve the problem of the front wheel 
flopping? Seems like the Steerstopper does solve a legitimate problem. I 
have no doubt that there are others (maybe less expensive). but how is a 
rubber band around a brake lever going to stop the wheel from flopping when 
on a workstand, for example? Or when packing panniers? Or when loading the 
bike onto a bike rack? Etc.

Respectfully,
John
Portland, OR
On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 12:10:56 PM UTC-7 Michael Morrissey wrote:

> Hi Leah,
>
> Your Platypus is going to be amazing. I advocate that you get the Velo 
> Orange steering damper.
>
> However, to install it you are going to need to reroute your cables on the 
> downtube. Here's what you need for that, which allows you to run full 
> length outer housing. I have these for my rear brake on my Rivendell and 
> they work great. As a bonus, you can get cool cable outers in a contrasting 
> color (try Sim Works or Velo Orange for these): 
> https://www.amazon.com/ZYAMY-Bicycle-Hydraulic-Housing-Clamps/dp/B095P4GPQZ
>
> The steerstopper is a cool farkle (fancy accessory really kewl likely 
> expensive), but it's a $100 solution to a $10 problem. Try one of these on 
> your front brake lever first as a parking brake:
>
> https://www.amazon.com/Nite-Ize-Original-Reusable-Assorted/dp/B00SHBNE8E/ref=asc_df_B00SHBNE8E/?tag=hyprod-20=df0=19807628==g=15513276014631186794c===9067609=pla-318105899700=1=CjwKCAjw17qvBhBrEiwA1rU9w2QBemfat-bZ6llmXU4aAVZxoNtAa1OXdctlHdbXqGK7DcyUwTEkvxoC9MkQAvD_BwE
>
> Michael
> On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 11:22:42 AM UTC-4 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> @Tom,
>> Thank-you for your information. I appreciate it.  
>>
>> Kim Hetzel.
>>
>> On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 7:52:33 AM UTC-7 Tom Horton wrote:
>>
>>> kim, re the steerstopper on a clem L, I've had one on a clem L 64 for a 
>>> few years and works fineI don't load the front basket with bricks or 
>>> anything ultra heavy, but load of groceries, books, etc...no 
>>> problemsthe steerstopper guy wasn't sure it would work and even offered 
>>> to make a custom, longer version of the steerstopper; but the regular one 
>>> has been fine for me. you need to snug the receiver part up tight (but 
>>> beware, you can strip the threads if you get too exuberant).  I'd recommend 
>>> it for a clem L; also have them on a few other front basketed rivs, all 
>>> good.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, March 10, 2024 at 12:34:26 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 [image: IMG_5598.jpeg][image: IMG_5582.jpeg]Hi Friends,

 I’ve had a Nitto Basket Rack from Rivendell for a few years. I think it 
 looks awesome, it’s dead useful, but it annoyed me that it was heavy and 
 made my bars swing around on my mermaid Platy. But as I plan the build for 
 my 50 cm purple Platy (which is taking a million years) I am considering 
 putting the basket rack back into service. It pains me to see it sitting, 
 and it’s so pretty and unique that I just want to give it another try. 
 Maybe the 650b wheels will be less floppy with this rack? Maybe the 
 smaller, lighter bike won’t seem as penalized by the heft of this rack? It 
 would be such an easy experiment if it wasn’t for the dyno light/wiring 
 that is affected by the decision. It’s not a matter of simply pulling the 
 rack, because wire length, light mount, etc are affected and will not be 
 an 
 easy switch. My shop hates soldering and I certainly can’t do it. 

 I had started a thread long ago about this and a lot of people reported 
 similar experiences. Now that some more years have gone by, I’m curious if 
 opinions have changed, or if more people have these racks and would offer 
 their opinions. There isn’t much in the way of reviews to read online. 
 Maybe some here would offer theirs. If more folks are trying and loving 
 their Nitto Basket Racks, I’ll be likely to install mine. 

 Meanwhile, this beautiful Platypus sits in my living room on the shelf, 
 waiting for its parts to return from the anodizer. And, there’s fresh snow 
 on the ground. But talking bikes will get me through!
 Leah

>>>

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Re: [RBW] Best Rivendell for pavement riding

[john Bokman]

Custom paint, Rich?

How are you finding the brakes? Very nice looking. I’m running cantilevers on 
my workhorse Sam (Shimano CX 70), but if I can manage to hustle a second sam in 
“fast” mode, I may well choose these (given your approval, of course).

> On Mar 7, 2024, at 5:55 PM, RichS  wrote:
> 
> And for another take on the Sam Hillborne as a superb bike on pavement, give 
> a nod to mounting a pair of 32mm Grand Bois Cypress. Also pure bliss:-)
> 
> 
> Best,
> Rich in ATL
> On Thursday, March 7, 2024 at 12:26:08 PM UTC-5 mathiass...@gmail.com wrote:
> @laing
> 
> Well.
> 
> That's some garage you've got there. I spy north of $2k invested in leather 
> saddles alone. I approve.I have sent the pictures to my family and informed 
> them that I will no longer take complaints about how I have "too many 
> bicycles" and related nonsense.
> 
> Thanks for this!
> 
> cheers -mathias
> 
> 
> 
> On Thursday, March 7, 2024 at 9:15:26 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
> Or you can buy a bunch of Rivendells and keep most of them
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Note that comfort depends a lot upon your body proportions. When I finally 
> got a Rivendell custom for my drop bar road bike, the top tube was 10 cm 
> longer than the seat tube.
> 
> Laing
> 
> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 12:57:14 AM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
> The other way to discover what you really want to ride is to buy a lot of 
> bikes that sort of look like what you want (you are not sure what you want), 
> upgrade them all, repeat several times as you try to perfect previously 
> unrealized imperfections, then sell them at a loss. Do this for a couple of 
> decades, then buy customs. This method costs a bit more than the other one.
> 
> But yes, ride lots of Rivendells. All those I've owned (I bought 5 including 
> a 2nd-gen Ram and kept one that will turn 25 in April) all had a certain 
> common handling and "feel" in common. And I do think that a Ram, if you don't 
> want to spring for a Roadeo, might well be what you are looking for.
> 
> 
> On Mon, Mar 4, 2024 at 7:39 PM Corwin Zechar > wrote:
> ... Ride lots of bikes - Rivendells if possible. Think carefully about what 
> you want. Don't be afraid to try different things. Meditate on the 
> differences. And most of all, practice patience if you are looking for a Ram.
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Re: [RBW] Winter Riding in Alberta

[John Bokman]

Up grade is right! My family and I visited Vic last summer, and oh boy, 
there are some steep grades on that island. Didn't have my bike with me, 
but the trail system looked fantastic.

-John

On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 8:20:31 AM UTC-8 penne...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks, John! And thanks, Ian! I love it here on the prairie although it's 
> hard not to think that a move to Vic will be at least a slight upgrade :)
> Mack 
>
> On Monday, March 4, 2024 at 6:58:28 PM UTC-7 iwdbu...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I’m so disappointed that I didn’t discover these videos until today! I’ve 
>> been living in southern Alberta for 4 years and I haven’t found much 
>> content that captures what it’s like to ride around here. Great videos.
>>
>> Ian 
>> Of Toronto, in Calgary, soon to be Victoria
>> On Monday 4 March 2024 at 16:35:06 UTC-7 John Bokman wrote:
>>
>>> Fantastic vids (Summer, Autumn, Winter)! Reminds me of riding in Western 
>>> Montana. Eager to see your spring Vid!
>>>
>>> John
>>> Portland,OR
>>>
>>> On Sunday, March 3, 2024 at 8:02:34 AM UTC-8 penne...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've updated this series with a tale of winter: 
>>>> https://youtu.be/kJDmtL1OyBk?si=4uUgYg0kLhPasb06
>>>> Happy Sunday,
>>>> Mack
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, October 25, 2023 at 11:52:03 AM UTC-6 Mack Penner wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks, Stephen! Glad to hear it :)
>>>>> Mack 
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday, October 24, 2023 at 8:56:01 PM UTC-6 RBW Owners Bunch 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> These are so good Mack, missed the first one back in august. Makes me 
>>>>>> want to go ride my bike.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -stephen
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tuesday, October 24, 2023 at 7:15:22 PM UTC-4 RBW Owners Bunch 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For those inclined to follow along, here's my "tale of fall 
>>>>>>> <https://youtu.be/QHYWEnqN7s4?si=i8Ymj1yL6kf62I_v>," which in 
>>>>>>> southern alberta is now all but over, snow on the ground and still 
>>>>>>> falling, 
>>>>>>> something like -10 degrees Celsius today. If you're hardcore, you might 
>>>>>>> also consider this semi-absurd overnighter 
>>>>>>> <https://youtu.be/g5Wgyit7vYs?si=2iADWpUXSwrEZw4m> I took my poor 
>>>>>>> brother on at the end of September. 
>>>>>>> Mack
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 7:20:18 PM UTC-6 RBW Owners Bunch 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Great looking rides. Been a while since I explored that part of the 
>>>>>>>> world. 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 6:40:53 PM UTC-4 Andrew Letton wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Love it!  Especially the butterfly cameo!
>>>>>>>>> cheers from Oz,
>>>>>>>>> Andrew
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 01:36:32 AM GMT+10, Mack Penner <
>>>>>>>>> penne...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi people,
>>>>>>>>> I have been on a small eric rohmer kick this year, and when I 
>>>>>>>>> started watching the tales of the four seasons it occurred to me that 
>>>>>>>>> it 
>>>>>>>>> would be fun to document a week of riding in every season. I had the 
>>>>>>>>> idea 
>>>>>>>>> in the summer, so first up is my tale of the summer. Nothin' fancy, I 
>>>>>>>>> just 
>>>>>>>>> perched my phone on my water bottle like a hundred times during my 
>>>>>>>>> daily 
>>>>>>>>> rides in the week from 14-18 August. I was gonna put it to music, but 
>>>>>>>>> then 
>>>>>>>>> I thought that if the goal is to document seasonal riding vibes the 
>>>>>>>>> sounds 
>>>>>>>>> that the season makes are important! Filmed in southern alberta on my 
>>>>>>>>> atlantis, my joe, my homer, and finally my quickbeam. 
>>>>>>>>> Vid's here <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jR01_FmkQOE>. Hope 
>>>>>>>>> you find it fun!
>>>>>>>>> Enjoy the rest of August,
>>>>>>>>> Mack 
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Re: [RBW] Best Rivendell for pavement riding

[John Bokman]

Fantastic Jock!  What brakes are you using?

-John

On Monday, March 4, 2024 at 9:00:07 AM UTC-8 John Dewey wrote:

> I clearly recall the first time I hopped on my RAM 2004. 
>
> Epiphany! 
>
> A few years ago I sent it off for the Joe Bell Treatment…now it’s as 
> beautiful and tasty as any bespoke two-wheeler. 
>
> https://flic.kr/p/2kafNb7
>
> Jock
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 4, 2024 at 8:24 AM Mike Godwin  wrote:
>
>> I think my FS Roadeo is a good contender! All prodding aside, it is a 
>> great pavement bike, works well on dirt roads too as it will fit 700x35 
>> tires.
>> Mike SLO CA
>> On Monday, March 4, 2024 at 7:50:49 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> The Ram is indeed a worthy contender, but I was thinking of current 
>>> models (I think those I listed are current ...?)
>>>
>>> On Sun, Mar 3, 2024 at 3:49 PM Corwin Zechar  wrote:
>>>
 Patrick -

 You forgot the Ram!

 Regards,

 Corwni
 On Saturday, March 2, 2024 at 2:23:07 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Roadeo, Roadini, Sam, Homer, and the Nitto Noodle?
>
> FWIW, after having used any number of drop bars, my favorite is the 
> Maes Parallel, available from Rene Herse but not from Rivendell. 
> (Rivendell 
> ought to offer it!)
>
> Patrick Moore, present and former owner of 5 Rivendell drop bar 
> road/roady-ish bikes
>
> On Sat, Mar 2, 2024 at 11:56 AM Chuck Blessing  
> wrote:
>
>> I really like the Rivendell approach to bikes and bike technology 
>> with the idea of a more upright posture and a long wheelbase for long 
>> rides 
>> at a comfortable pace, but it seems like the models all lean heavily to 
>> what they call "country bikes."  I like to ride from my house, and that 
>> means riding almost exclusively on smooth (mostly) pavement. Can anyone 
>> suggest which models are better suited for road riding? Reading and 
>> comparing the descriptions, it seems that the Homer might be a good 
>> choice, 
>> or possibly the Appaloosa or Atlantis? Or the new Charlie Gallop, though 
>> I 
>> haven't heard much about how it is supposed to ride? I tried a Roadini 
>> (which I recently listed here and sold), but I think it was too big for 
>> me. 
>> I never felt comfortable on it. Maybe I just needed it in the right 
>> size. 
>>
>> I would like the bike to work well with drop bars because of the 
>> multiple hand positions and they're just what I'm used to. I tried a 
>> bike 
>> with swept bars recently, but found I wasn't comfortable on longer 
>> rides. 
>> And when riding on streets with minimal shoulder width, I felt like I 
>> was 
>> going to catch the end of them on mailboxes or other obstacles. Maybe 
>> there's a handlebar in Rivendell's catalog that works well for road 
>> riding?
>>
>> I'd appreciate any comments, especially if someone does this type of 
>> riding and has tried several of these models. Thanks.
>>
>> Chuck
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Re: [RBW] Winter Riding in Alberta

[John Bokman]

Fantastic vids (Summer, Autumn, Winter)! Reminds me of riding in Western 
Montana. Eager to see your spring Vid!

John
Portland,OR

On Sunday, March 3, 2024 at 8:02:34 AM UTC-8 penne...@gmail.com wrote:

> I've updated this series with a tale of winter: 
> https://youtu.be/kJDmtL1OyBk?si=4uUgYg0kLhPasb06
> Happy Sunday,
> Mack
>
>
> On Wednesday, October 25, 2023 at 11:52:03 AM UTC-6 Mack Penner wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Stephen! Glad to hear it :)
>> Mack 
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 24, 2023 at 8:56:01 PM UTC-6 RBW Owners Bunch wrote:
>>
>>> These are so good Mack, missed the first one back in august. Makes me 
>>> want to go ride my bike.
>>>
>>> -stephen
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, October 24, 2023 at 7:15:22 PM UTC-4 RBW Owners Bunch wrote:
>>>
 For those inclined to follow along, here's my "tale of fall 
 ," which in southern 
 alberta is now all but over, snow on the ground and still falling, 
 something like -10 degrees Celsius today. If you're hardcore, you might 
 also consider this semi-absurd overnighter 
  I took my poor 
 brother on at the end of September. 
 Mack

 On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 7:20:18 PM UTC-6 RBW Owners Bunch wrote:

> Great looking rides. Been a while since I explored that part of the 
> world. 
>
> On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 6:40:53 PM UTC-4 Andrew Letton wrote:
>
>> Love it!  Especially the butterfly cameo!
>> cheers from Oz,
>> Andrew
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 01:36:32 AM GMT+10, Mack Penner <
>> penne...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>>
>>
>> Hi people,
>> I have been on a small eric rohmer kick this year, and when I started 
>> watching the tales of the four seasons it occurred to me that it would 
>> be 
>> fun to document a week of riding in every season. I had the idea in the 
>> summer, so first up is my tale of the summer. Nothin' fancy, I just 
>> perched 
>> my phone on my water bottle like a hundred times during my daily rides 
>> in 
>> the week from 14-18 August. I was gonna put it to music, but then I 
>> thought 
>> that if the goal is to document seasonal riding vibes the sounds that 
>> the 
>> season makes are important! Filmed in southern alberta on my atlantis, 
>> my 
>> joe, my homer, and finally my quickbeam. 
>> Vid's here . Hope you 
>> find it fun!
>> Enjoy the rest of August,
>> Mack 
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[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne Pictures Thread

[John Bokman]

 I already own one  - a pumpkin orange from 2017. If they offer the new one 
in the black they once sold, I'm in for another! I'll set it up as my 
"fast" Sam - no racks, light wheels and tires, etc. That is far and away my 
favorite of all the Riv colors I've seen, across the fleet.

John
Portland OR
On Monday, February 26, 2024 at 4:41:21 PM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:

> Who plans to buy a Sam Hillborne in May when they are due to arrive? And, 
> I wonder what colors they will offer. This photo thread is fun to see. 
> Doug
>
> On Monday, February 26, 2024 at 6:24:11 PM UTC-5 John Rinker wrote:
>
>> Great to see all these beautiful and functional Hillbornes. Although I 
>> don't have one myself, I do think the Hillborne blue/grey is my favorite of 
>> the Rivendell colors. 
>>
>> Cheers, John
>>
>> On Monday, February 26, 2024 at 1:17:36 PM UTC-8 Paul in Dallas wrote:
>>
>>> It is fun to see the variety of builds on the Sam's.
>>>
>>> It looks like the majority have some type of upright / swept back style 
>>> handlebars
>>> although of course the Sam is so versatile to accommodate a road bar if 
>>> preferred .
>>>
>>> If recalling correctly I saw orange, silver, light blue , green, black 
>>> and a yellow perhaps mustard like color Sam. (Not sure what Riv called it)
>>>
>>> Cool stuff.
>>>
>>> I'm enjoying the thread.
>>>
>>> Paul in Dallas 
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Intro post, pics of my RIvs, and a Homer fit question

[John Bokman]

Ted, thanks for that handy tip concerning fit. My Sam fits just how you 
describe: Elbow at saddle nose, fingertips just brushing the bars. I'd 
never measured this way before, but knew immediately when I swapped a 7 cm 
stem from the original 10cm stem that it was a vast improvement. I'd always 
felt that my other bike (not a riv) was just a tad too long, also. By 
employing your method, I have since shortened the stem (7cm from 9cm). 
Noticeable improvement for me.

John
On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 8:42:40 AM UTC-8 Ted Durant wrote:

> On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 1:20:53 PM UTC-8 eitanz...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
> That said, as beautiful as this bike is, I haven't been able to get 
> comfortable on it. I am too stretched out. 
>
>
> Yup, that is a beautiful bike! I know the feeling of being too stretched 
> out, even as someone who is naturally quite flexible and likes to ride in a 
> pretty low back position. My Sams are set up with a shorter reach than my 
> other bikes and I have found I like it. Contrary to the others and to 
> "conventional wisdom", I have not found saddle fore-aft position to be so 
> critical that I have to nail it to the mm. I am comfortable and feel 
> similarly powerful over a range of 15-20mm. My Sams have much shallower 
> seat tube angles than my other bikes, and I have the saddles pushed forward 
> a bit, but not a lot. Like a couple of other posters, I wouldn't hesitate 
> to go to an 8 or even 7cm stem to get the reach that you like. I use my 
> personal cubit to judge reach - put your elbow against the front of the 
> saddle and see where your finger tips lie relative to the handlebars. Most 
> my bikes have the bars about 20mm ahead of my fingers. On my Sams my 
> fingers just touch the bars.
>
> As others have pointed out, Noodle bars have a pretty good reach. In 
> addition, the TRP brake lever hoods are looong. The combined effect is 
> quite a bit of extra reach. I very much like having lots of reach and drop 
> on the bars so my position varies a lot as I move my hands. But it does 
> mean you need a shorter stem so the on-the-hoods position feels neutral.
>
> Ted Durant
>
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[RBW] Re: Intro post, pics of my RIvs, and a Homer fit question

[John Bokman]

I would try the shorter stem. I have a Sam that I initially thought was too 
long for me, even though I'm smack dab in the middle of the charts for PBH 
sizing. (My legs are long, my torso not so much.) I installed a 7 cm stem 
(from a  10 cm ) and it made enough of a difference for me to get 
comfortable. I could probably go to an even shorter stem (I'm using Nitto 
tecnomic) but the 7cm stem seems short enough. If you are using a 
Technomic, I believe you can get as short as a 5 cm (could be wrong, but 
I'm pretty sure you can get a 6, anyway). In my case, as I have become more 
flexible, with better bike posture, I have noticed a long top tube does not 
cause me undue problems. Just something to consider - or not.

John
Portland OR

On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 2:42:05 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Here are a few thoughts:
>
> People who know exactly what works for them figure it out over a long time 
> with lots of bikes, and have a set of numbers in their pocket so they can 
> know before buying whether a particular will set up correctly for them.  It 
> sounds like you don't have that all figured out for yourself.  Is that a 
> reasonable assumption?
>
> People who don't have their fit completely figured out for themselves are 
> usually well advised to get a fitting from an experienced fitter who 
> understands the target use-case.  Can you find such a person?  Have you had 
> anybody who knows about such things look at you while you are riding?  
>
> This is intended for an endurance/all-road use case.  Are you currently an 
> endurance athlete?  Or do you aspire to be an endurance athlete?  Do you 
> want the bike to fit the body you have, or the body you intend to have?  
>
> Those are my thoughts.  Best of luck
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 1:20:53 PM UTC-8 eitanz...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi all, wanted to introduce myself and my bikes. Over the last six months 
>> I went from zero to two Rivendells, and joined this group--though this is 
>> my first post: First up, a Cheviot, picked up secondhand, as my city bike. 
>>  Previous owner built this up swanky: Son, XTR,, Pacenti, Paul, XT, etc. . 
>> added the front and rear racks. I also picked up a Riv Happisack, which 
>> alternates with the YEPP mount. Apologies for the distinctly un-glamorous 
>> garage pic:
>>
>>
>> [image: IMG_2009.jpeg]
>>
>> I love this bike. It is exceedingly comfortable and beautiful. 
>>
>> Last month I took delivery of a Homer,  which I had built up to be a 
>> zippy road bike with a classic look: 9 speed friction shifting using the 
>> Dia Compe shifters to XT derailleur, Rene Herse crankset, Paul brakes, the 
>> TRP drilled brake levers, with Velocity Quill rims on Deore hubs. 
>>
>> [image: IMG_2739.jpeg]
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> That said, as beautiful as this bike is, I haven't been able to get 
>> comfortable on it. I am too stretched out. I have tried raising the bars a 
>> bit from these pics, but fundamentally I think the reach is too long. I 
>> gave my height/PBH to Antonio at Rivendell, and they set the bike up with 
>> an 80mm stem. I have ordered a 70mm version of the stem, though I'm 
>> concerned that's getting pretty short. Next step if that's not enough is 
>> try a shorter-reach handlebar, in a narrower size.  If that doesn't work I 
>> fear I will need to sell the bike. I could replace the drops with upright 
>> bars, but I already have the Cheviot and specifically wanted a drop-bar 
>> endurance/all-roadish bike. 
>>
>> I get the need to raise the bars, but I don't want a situation where the 
>> bars are 5" above the saddle. 
>>
>> Any thoughts on other ways to get this bike to fit better?
>>
>> Thanks!
>> --Eitan (in Los Angeles)
>>
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Re: [RBW] Brake cables and housing

[John Bokman]

Wow, I guess I'll just maintain with occasional lubricant and not bother. I 
thought many riders changed cables and housing every year or so? Guess not. 
For the record, my braking is fine (Shimano cx70 cantilevers mated to 
Shimano tiagra levers and koolstop salmon pads). Just wondering how much 
better they'd be with newly installed housing and cable. And now I see 
there are all sorts of new (to me) specialty housing and cables on which to 
spend money...Thanks for the replies.

John

On Saturday, February 3, 2024 at 5:04:06 PM UTC-8 aeroperf wrote:

> Every 5000 miles the cables on my Sam get cleaned and lubed with Phils 
> Tenacious Oil.
>
> John Dewey - that is an outstanding photograph.
>
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[RBW] Brake cables and housing

[John Bokman]

Obviously there are infinite variables (weather, amount of miles ridden, 
etc.), but the question is: 
How often do you all change your cables and housing? 

I ride daily, often in wet conditions. My braking is sufficient, but I'm 
always wondering if it couldn't be a bit better with new cable and housing? 
Of course that requires removing my years old, many layered shellac over 
cloth tape

Just curious.

John
Portland, OR

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Re: [RBW] Re: Hillborne fork on a Heron?

[John Bokman]

Great looking bike! Love those Herons...the Barlow Xlights are so nice. 
Transformative.

John

On Saturday, January 27, 2024 at 1:38:34 PM UTC-8 h...@chrisdedinsky.com 
wrote:

> I haven't given up on this updated tire clearance dream. But for the time 
> being have gone and put more appropriate shoes back onto my Heron. I was 
> able to score some RH 700C x 38 Barlow Pass extra lights off FB market this 
> week. Where I am in south central BC the weather has settled down after 
> that big cold snap and some rain even melted the snow on our local rail 
> trail out to the airport. I fendered up and tried out the new tires. Super 
> plushy! 
>
> [image: IMG_4564_Jan27-24.jpg]
>
>
>
> On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 9:09:21 AM UTC-8 Chris Dedinsky wrote:
>
>> Jason - I know in my heart that's the smart decision, especially with 
>> regard to the design considerations. It's probably fortuitous that nobody 
>> has gotten in touch with a possible fork as of yet. With any luck, I'll be 
>> distracted with other bike notions sooner than later. 
>>
>> On Sunday, November 12, 2023 at 4:07:12 PM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> For what it's worth, one of my riding pals runs the 700x38 Rene Herse 
>>> knobbies and they're delightful as well, so if you choose to size down to 
>>> address the issue I don't think you'll be missing out a whole lot.  Plus, 
>>> that keeps the BB height, etc closer to the design values. 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, 9 November 2023 at 16:44:06 UTC-8 h...@chrisdedinsky.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Thank you for the kind words! It's really a delightful unit.  

 On Thursday, November 9, 2023 at 4:15:56 PM UTC-8 brok...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> I just want to chime in to say, that’s the sexiest Heron I’ve ever 
> seen. So well done! 落
>
> On Nov 9, 2023, at 7:10 PM, Chris Dedinsky  
> wrote:
>
> Appreciate the threadless insight too Wes. I wouldn't have considered 
> that as an option. Bit I'll keep it in mind as I do a bit more research. 
> Thank you!
>
>
>
> On Thursday, November 9, 2023 at 7:52:34 AM UTC-8 Wesley wrote:
>
>> Just FYI, you have more choices than you might think with the fork. 
>> If you find a fork you like but the steerer is too long, you can still 
>> use 
>> it!
>>
>> If the upper race can't thread all the way down to the cup, you can 
>> swap your headset for a 1" threadless headset, and screw the top nut not 
>> the fork threads to provide preload to the headset without having to use 
>> the typical internal nut of a treadless headset. This means you can 
>> still 
>> use a quill stem with a threadless headset! I did this recently with a 
>> threaded fork having a vry long steerer in order to get my 
>> handlebars 
>> higher. Happy to provide ics later if that would be helpful.
>> -Wes
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 8, 2023 at 12:22:21 PM UTC-8 
>> h...@chrisdedinsky.com wrote:
>>
>>> This week I was commuting home from work on my Heron. I got a flat 
>>> on my Challenge Strada Bianca 36 tires and on a whim—certainly inspired 
>>> by 
>>> the recent 'Rondini' episode of Ron's bikes YouTube episode—decided to 
>>> stuff in a pair of much too large 700x42 Hurricane Ridge tires to enjoy 
>>> until the snow falls. Which should be pretty quick here in British 
>>> Columbia's southern interior.
>>>
>>> The fork clearance is decidedly too tight and perhaps irresponsible, 
>>> if not dangerous. I'm gonna keep my fenders on as I'm not sure how long 
>>> this experiment will last. So far a couple of sporting trips back and 
>>> forth 
>>> to work. 
>>>
>>> It has got me thinking though, has anyone out there modified their 
>>> Heron to have more modern Riv tire clearances? In the vein of a Sam 
>>> Hillborne. I was daydreaming about putting a more tolerable fork and 
>>> crimping the chainstays, so I could run up in the +45 range. Although 
>>> the 
>>> rear wheel has much more than a few sheets of paper in clearance and 
>>> the 
>>> irrevesability of crimping makes me nervous. 
>>>
>>> Would love to hear any thoughts on the pro's/con's. And if there are 
>>> any extra hillborne forks out there for a ~57 frame, I may be 
>>> interested. 
>>> If so, I can give specs. I know I should leave a perfectly wonderful 
>>> frameset alone, but I can't help but wonder about it. 
>>>
>>> Here are some pics that make the fit seem even more dramatic on that 
>>> front fork. 
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_4368.jpg]
>>> [image: IMG_4363.jpg]
>>> [image: IMG_4364.jpg]
>>> [image: IMG_4365.jpg]
>>> [image: IMG_4366.jpg]
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[RBW] Re: Roadini Build is complete

[John Bokman]

Brenton, thanks for the post; nice looking bike. As weather allows, please 
let us know how this bike rides compared to your Sam (especially when it 
was in drop-bar mode). I'm sure I'm not the only Sam rider who is curious 
about this comparison.

John
On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 10:49:51 AM UTC-8 brenton...@gmail.com wrote:

> I haven't ridden it enough to decide if it was the perfect +1 yet, but it 
> was a fun project. I will report back after some miles.
>
> It was great way to spend my time during 2 weeks of Portland 
> snow+ice+wind. Did lots of research, and learned a ton more about 
> components I was only mildly interested in before. Shopping for NOS+used 
> parts on eBay was surprisingly fun, especially if you're after components 
> that most folks ignore. I watched all the "built by blue lug" videos, 
> highly recommend watching for both zen, appreciation of expertise, and 
> educational instruction (though they are not intentionally instructional).
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Advantages of triple drivetrains (VO post)

[John Bokman]

Agreed. Speaking only for myself, the reason for using a triple,  is for 
loaded hauling. I have plenty low enough low on my compact double for other 
riding (44/30 with a 12-36 9-speed cassette). Obviously, this depends on 
terrain, one's riding habits, and vigor. However, what I fail to understand 
is, as nice as the new VO crank looks to be, the ratio has a big ring of 48 
teeth. Why? I can't imagine needing larger than a 44 tooth big ring for 
such a setup. If they offered a 44-34-24, I'd be very interested. 
Otherwise, I'd buy the crank and immediately swap out the big ring. I 
guess, to answer my own question, they are trying to please all of the 
people all of the time.

On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 1:14:25 PM UTC-8 Steven Sweedler wrote:

> One point that I think is being missed, is for loaded touring bikes 
> triples make more sense. Though I am not camping I still am carrying around 
> 40 lbs on a 32 lb bike, low gears are especially useful on long and/or 
> steep hills. When home in central  New Hampshire many of my favorite roads 
> are diificult if not impossible for me to ride without a 15-18” gear.
>
> Steven Sweedler
> Plymouth, New Hampshire
>
> On Tue, Jan 9, 2024 at 8:43 PM Chris Halasz  wrote:
>
>> I'm planning on going from 3x to 1x on my all-around Tosco'd LHT. Maybe 
>> even do that today, and replace the big ring with the Rivendell chainring 
>> guard. 
>>
>> I haven't used the 48 in a long, long time. As for the 26 inner: there 
>> was a t-shirt from the 80s from a bike shop in Ketchum that read, "if you 
>> ain't hikin', you ain't mountain bikin'". If it gets that low, I appreciate 
>> the change in blood circulation by just walking those few minutes. 
>>
>> - Chris
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 12:30:47 PM UTC-8 John Hawrylak, Woodstown 
>> NJ wrote:
>>
>>> Bill L stated:   " If it were me, I'd experiment with a 42-tooth big 
>>> ring before going to a triple"
>>>
>>> Question to Bill:   Will a 42T large ring result in the FD hitting the 
>>> chain stay in the inner ring of a triple (say 24T or 26T) ???
>>>
>>> PS  I agree with your comment on the 46-11 being a very high gear.
>>>
>>> John Hawrylak
>>> Woodstown NJ
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 3:21:33 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 Ben

 You run a 46/30 with an 11-34 11sp cassette.  If it were me, I'd 
 experiment with a 42-tooth big ring before going to a triple.  46x11 is 
 pretty darn high for a commuter/city bike.  Anything higher than a 4:1 in 
 my book is for the sole purpose of pedaling at >>40mph.  That is a real 
 use-case in hilly areas, but not for me, and especially not for a 
 commuter/city bike.  That's just a suggestion.  The jump from 42 to 30 is 
 much less dramatic.  

 BL in EC

 On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 11:25:39 AM UTC-8 bunny...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> I've been kind of triple-curious again. I live in a hilly part of L.A. 
> My commuter/city bike has an 11-34 11s with a 46/30 front. I've been 
> finding the 46 to 30 jump to feel pretty large. It feels much more 
> dramatic 
> than 50-34. For instance, if I switch big to small in the from, I'll sift 
> down at least 3 cogs on the back to totally avoid spinning out 
> immediately. 
> I sometimes find myself mildly cross chaining in either direction to find 
> the right gear.
>
> So I've been thinking of either going 1x, or 3x. My other bike is 1x, 
> and it's a carbon all-road/gravel thing. I like the setup for rougher 
> terrain. Also, I just don't like the idea of having duplicate bikes. I 
> also 
> romanticize the bike I had about 20 years go, which had an 11-27 9 speed 
> with 24/36/46. At the time, it felt luxurious, natural, and easy. But I 
> didn't know then what I know now, and many times when I've set up a 
> modern 
> bike like this one from my past, I get quickly disillusioned and undo 
> that 
> change.
>
> I kinda feel like the headline should be "triples: still fun and 
> useful for hands on bike nerds who like to tinker."
>
> Ben
>
> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 10:44:06 AM UTC-8 
> captaincon...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I dissent.  Front derailers are unnecessarily complicated to setup, 
>> and so are triple chainrings, especially on XD2s.  I have 1X 10 one two 
>> bikes, and love it, and I just specced a 1X 11 with a Deore 5100 
>> derailer 
>> and 11-51 cassette for my BMC Monstercross.  The whole drivetrain cost 
>> less 
>> than a nice triple crankset, it's all lighter too.  Check out Analog 
>> Cycles 
>> for inspiration.
>> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 11:45:17 AM UTC-6 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>
>>> For years Grant/Rivendell argued against lots of gears in the rear 
>>> because people didn't need to shift that much. The message was to push 
>>> through if its too hard or even 

[RBW] Re: 2024 Frame Schedule

[John Bokman]

Jason, I concur with your assessment of the new Atlantis. I had always 
pined for one, ever since the inception of the model. In fact, other than 
the "LongLow", it was the first Riv I coveted. But, alas, things have 
changed (Grant would say for the better).

I finally purchased a Riv, the original 60cm model Sam, in 2009. I now ride 
a size smaller Sam (the 58cm). I think it is from the 2017 era? At any 
rate, I had a local builder install canti-bosses, like the original had. I 
find it to be surprisingly stout. In fact, I regularly load it for bear, 
and find it to be more bike than I want in some instances (uphill, without 
a load, for example). I believe that the "new" Sam is more stout than the 
original. In fact, it felt lighter in the hand to both myself and my 
mechanic who had history with both of these bikes. Turns out the seat tube 
had changed from 27.2 to 26.8. My mechanic thinks the thicker steat tube is 
the answer to the increased heft. That, and the longer chainstays.

All to say, I understand your want for an old school Atlantis in the 
lineup. But, as someone who rides a larger framed 700c Sam (can't speak to 
the 650B Sam), it's pretty right on for this purpose. The thing I think 
that could be improved as a loaded tourer is the tire clearance. Being able 
to fit a 2" tire under a fender would make it outstanding. I suppose this 
would make it the de-facto "new Atlantis"? Just musing...

John

On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 7:42:26 PM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:

> Word is the Sam is unchanged from previous batches, geometry-wise, which 
> is wonderful news as Sam is perfect.  No plans to pick up anything this 
> year, in fact it's my fourth annual "no new bikes" resolution which has 
> failed three times thus far. 
>
> I am a big fan of the new Susie's combination of specs, more stout than 
> the old one (which was flexy to the extent it didn't make a good off-road 
> tourer for most people) but quill stem. Dig that.
>
> I find the Appaloosa to be a lot better on the eyes than the modern 
> Atlantis and I struggle to understand why since they're nearly the same. In 
> my dream scenario, the Atlantis would go backwards slightly to bit a little 
> more roadish in geometry, something similar to the Sam, but with the 
> additional stoutness and tire clearance. I feel like this more road-focused 
> true touring bike is currently missing in the lineup, and still falls 
> within modern Riv sensibilities. Of course, I have no say in this, but a 
> guy can dream. 
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday 11 January 2024 at 13:03:05 UTC-8 drewfi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Saw this in the last email:
>>
>>
>>- February - Clems
>>- March - Lugged Susies - kind of a new model
>>- April - Roaduno bikes and frames - new model
>>- May - Sam Hillbornes
>>- June - Appaloosas
>>- July - Platypus bikes and frames
>>- August - Charlie Gallop, nu model, bikes and frames, more info later
>>- September - Roadini
>>
>> Been waiting to pick up a Sam for a lng time. Anyone else have plans 
>> to pick up a new frame in 2024? 
>>
>> Also, Looks like the foreboding about the Atlantis going into retirement 
>> is holding true with more appaloosas coming in the summer. Anyone out there 
>> still pining for that turquoise dream? 
>>
>> - Drew  
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Berthoud Decaleur

[john Bokman]

Thanks Ron.  FWIW I would definitely want the longer stays. I’ve pretty much 
determined my sweet spot for the majority of my riding is 35mm in a 622. So 
long as I can fit a 35mm tire with metal fenders, I’m a happy camper. Not the 
skinniest, not the fattest, just right. 

I know this is a Rivendell thread, but I can’t resist (I’m confident Grant 
would approve of the inquiry into building methods). For those interested, 
notice that Mercian still builds in the old way, using the open hearth to join 
the tubes:

https://www.merciancycles.co.uk/craftmanship/frame-building/ 
<https://www.merciancycles.co.uk/craftmanship/frame-building/>

> On Jan 9, 2024, at 4:28 AM, Ron Mc  wrote:
> 
> John, adding a ps
> My buddy Stevo has the KOM with 16" chainstays, and it really limited his 
> options. . 
> He has the PDW fenders with 25-mm tires.  
> 
> 
> 
> He also had a very unusual fit of jealousy when he learned Tad had sold me my 
> Mercian - three times we had the conversation about "he would have bought it"
> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 5:51:00 AM UTC-6 Ron Mc wrote:
> Hi John, just catching up.  
> The 17" chainstays would fit 35-mm tires with room to spare (also w/ Honjo 
> fenders).  
> The Woody's fenders are 44-mm wide, but also 8-mm thick.  My buddy Tad was 
> running 28-mm Vittoria Corsa Control gravel tires, but also having clearance 
> issues.  
> (I gave away these tires, but took a lead on them, and run the 30-mm now on 
> my International under Honjo 44-mm fendeers - great ride and better clearance 
> than 32-mm Stampede Pass).  
> 
> I built a wheelset on 126-mm 6-sp Grand Bois cassette hubs (killer exchange 
> rate), and IRD Cadence rims I already had stashed away (from closeout).  
> The perfect tires under the wood fenders are 30-mm Challenge Strada, which 
> completely solved clearance issues, and the widest tire that fits these 
> fenders.  
> I've always liked these tires for toughness and ride comfort, they're a 
> little cold-blooded, but fast and super-smooth when they warm up.  
> On the right is the best photo I have to show fender fit and tire width.  
> I call these tires low profile because of their short sidewalls.  
>  
> 
> 
> On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 12:11:11 PM UTC-6 John Bokman wrote:
> Ron, excuse me if I missed it, but what size tires are you running on this 
> machine? Does it fit 35mm tires under fenders?
> 
> John
> 
> 
>> On Jan 6, 2024, at 9:12 AM, Ron Mc > wrote:
>> 
> 
>> Thank you John - they still offer King of Mercia, and prices have gone way 
>> up from the $600 spec sheet on my '85 frame.  
>> https://www.merciancycles.co.uk/product-category/frames/ 
>> <https://www.merciancycles.co.uk/product-category/frames/>
>>  
>> 
>> On Saturday, January 6, 2024 at 10:50:52 AM UTC-6 John Bokman wrote:
>> Love, love, love, that Mercian! Thanks for the head's up on the Decaleur and 
>> the great post with all the deets. As an owner of the horizontal decaleur, I 
>> concur that it's a great product. Nice to know I can find parts as needed 
>> now, or another for a future bike. BTW I have one in the modern style for 
>> the faceplate stem (different bike obviously) and that is brilliant, also.
>> 
>> Can't be sure but I thought I'd been informed that Mercian still builds 
>> their bikes truly by hand (no machines to speak of). On the jig, one maker 
>> at a time. One of my absolute favorite brands across the models. They all 
>> look stunning.
>> 
>> John
>> 
>> On Saturday, January 6, 2024 at 6:57:56 AM UTC-8 Ron Mc wrote:
>> oops, this was the link I wanted to share on Tad's Umberto Dei condorino 
>> restoration
>> https://thecabe.com/forum/threads/1940-umberto-dei.179124/ 
>> <https://thecabe.com/forum/threads/1940-umberto-dei.179124/>
>> 
>> On Saturday, January 6, 2024 at 8:53:02 AM UTC-6 Ron Mc wrote:
>> thank you Takashi, the Mercian is a labor of love x2, and I'm going to end 
>> up writing you an essay.  
>> 
>> My friend Tad put the Woody's fenders on the bike.  Background on Tad, he 
>> has a hobby business restoring and turning antique bikes.  Part of his job 
>> includes traveling in the company tradeshow van.  He previews Craigslist, 
>> makes appointments, and brings home bikes and parts.  Best example of his 
>> work, this 1940 Umberto Dei, from bare frame to this condorino with the 
>> correct chaincase and Dei-pantogrammed chainset - even a Dei-pantogrammed 
>> bike bell.  
>>  
>> https://thecabe.com/forum/attachments/a92ae443-f071-4438-a925-ecf02a1b56d7-jpeg.735360/
>>  
>> <https://thecabe.com/forum/attachments/a92ae443-f071-44

Re: [RBW] Re: Berthoud Decaleur

[John Bokman]

Love, love, love, that Mercian! Thanks for the head's up on the Decaleur 
and the great post with all the deets. As an owner of the horizontal 
decaleur, I concur that it's a great product. Nice to know I can find parts 
as needed now, or another for a future bike. BTW I have one in the modern 
style for the faceplate stem (different bike obviously) and that is 
brilliant, also.

Can't be sure but I thought I'd been informed that Mercian still builds 
their bikes truly by hand (no machines to speak of). On the jig, one maker 
at a time. One of my absolute favorite brands across the models. They all 
look stunning.

John

On Saturday, January 6, 2024 at 6:57:56 AM UTC-8 Ron Mc wrote:

> oops, this was the link I wanted to share on Tad's Umberto Dei condorino 
> restoration
> https://thecabe.com/forum/threads/1940-umberto-dei.179124/
>
> On Saturday, January 6, 2024 at 8:53:02 AM UTC-6 Ron Mc wrote:
>
>> thank you Takashi, the Mercian is a labor of love x2, and I'm going to 
>> end up writing you an essay.  
>>
>> My friend Tad put the Woody's fenders on the bike.  Background on Tad, he 
>> has a hobby business restoring and turning antique bikes.  Part of his job 
>> includes traveling in the company tradeshow van.  He previews Craigslist, 
>> makes appointments, and brings home bikes and parts.  Best example of his 
>> work, this 1940 Umberto Dei, from bare frame to this condorino with the 
>> correct chaincase and Dei-pantogrammed chainset - even a Dei-pantogrammed 
>> bike bell.  
>> [image: A92AE443-F071-4438-A925-ECF02A1B56D7.jpeg] [image: 
>> C5CF7551-9F4B-445C-AB27-24682312CC83.jpeg]
>>
>> https://thecabe.com/forum/attachments/a92ae443-f071-4438-a925-ecf02a1b56d7-jpeg.735360/
>> At one point, he had to generate $10,000 to help his son, and sold a 
>> stable of bikes, including the Dei, 
>> but he held out the Mercian for me, because he knew I would want it.  
>>
>> We're polar opposites on building bikes - he wants period reproduction, I 
>> want comfort and reliability.  
>> Everything he used on the Mercian was worn out - he rode the bike twice - 
>> clicking bottom bracket, clicking 1st generation Phil hubs, molasses 
>> freewheel, clicking headset.  Dura Ace brakes that made you stop like Fred 
>> Flintstone.  Cinelli 65 deep drops.  V-O front rack that formed a truss and 
>> took the life and soul from that marvelous fork.  
>> [image: 7CBko1k.jpg] [image: 4atVIBe.jpg]
>>
>> The only parts I kept were the fenders, seat post, crank arms, shifters 
>> and FD.  
>> It took me miles of road shock and a year to work all this out and bring 
>> her back to life.  I had a NOS Blueline RD to replace the aged VGT.  
>> Phil BB, new Tange headset, wheelset built on Grand Bois 6-sp cassette 
>> hub, stem to fit me, Cinelli 64 bar, Gran Compe CP brakes and mini rack.  
>> BTW, the best fit and most tire under the wood fenders are Challenge 
>> "open tubular" (clincher), because of their short sidewalls.  
>> Here's my final gear chart, and final form.  
>> [image: LSJQShl.jpg]
>> [image: qXVvT4f.jpg]
>>
>> On Saturday, January 6, 2024 at 8:00:48 AM UTC-6 Takashi wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Ron,
>>>
>>> I'm not in need of a decaleur right now, but that Mercian is so 
>>> beautiful!
>>> (It's no secret that I'm partial to wooden fenders.)
>>>
>>> Takashi
>>>
>>>
>>> 2024年1月6日土曜日 13:17:52 UTC+9 Ron Mc:
>>>
 Thanks again, Steve - this is my longest-term bike, and the baseline 
 for measurements any time I build a bike.  
 It's cozy beyond words.  Great aero position on the moustache bar, and 
 the wide reach gives you excellent control.  



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Re: [RBW] Re: Berthoud Decaleur

[John Bokman]

Ron, I haven't seen an Ostrich bag like yours. Is this a F-106? Does the 
lid open away from you or toward you when riding? 

Thanks,
John

On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 9:12:01 AM UTC-8 Ron Mc wrote:

> Here's the result with the new decaleur on my 15-l Ostrich front bag on 
> Viner gravel bike - rock solid
>
> [image: a7PB030002.JPG]
>
> On Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 12:10:01 PM UTC-6 Ron Mc wrote:
>
>> Thanks Rich, 
>> They're like sapphires all over the bike.  
>> There are a few choices for the titanium, Wanyifa sells on Amazon and Ali 
>> Express; ebay seller Great Gears, and automotive shops like Acer and 
>> ProBolt.  
>> For the brake bolts, I went to the quality automotive shops, for the trim 
>> parts, was happy with Amazon delivery.  
>> [image: a4P3120003.JPG]  [image: a4P3120005.JPG]
>> Seatpost clamp bolt from Germany.  
>> Also found a couple of Rocky Mountain vendors with titanium bottle cage.  
>> [image: a4P3120011.JPG]  [image: 4P9080004.JPG]
>>
>> I started this nonsense when I was hanging a double kickstand on my Viner 
>> to keep it stable with a loaded 15-l front bag.  
>> Discovered I could replace this much steel with titanium ordering custom 
>> from Wanyifa.  
>> I've worked this bike over, replacing M5 w/ Ti
>> [image: 7pSd0pS.jpg]
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 11:36:00 AM UTC-6 RichS wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Ron,
>>>
>>> No need to be embarrassed by your Mercian. A bike that gorgeous requires 
>>> every detail to suit. It shows how much you care. 
>>> I'll have to rethink my choice of fasteners! 
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Rich in ATL
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 1, 2024 at 8:54 PM Ron Mc  wrote:
>>>
 Hi Rich, 
 Thanks friend.  
 While the Berthoud decaleur is the best in function, it's also the best 
 in non-function - it's clean and inoffensive when it's not supporting a 
 bag.  

 [image: P3220007.JPG]

 Thanks again - my Mercian is embarrassingly pretty, and received blue 
 titanium fasteners everywhere I could use them, along with blue Paul Moons 
 and Gino.  
 Instead of a brake bolt, the Dia Compe CP have female threads in the 
 caliper backplate, so I could use blue titanium M6 bolt through the fork 
 crown and rear brake bridge.  

  [image: P1150003.JPG]  [image: P1090002.JPG]   [image: 1P1080020.JPG]

 On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 7:32:14 PM UTC-6 RichS wrote:

> Ron,
>
> Thank you for posting this. I have always like the Berthoud decaleur; 
> good to know they're available. Might be time time to lose the cords that 
> attach to the drops on my hbars. Also, great looking handlebar/bag setup 
> and a gorgeous Mercian!
>
> Happy New Year!
> Rich in ATL 
>
> On Sunday, December 31, 2023 at 7:55:40 PM UTC-5 Ron Mc wrote:
>
>> Hi, 
>> Haven't posted here in awhile, but this group ought to appreciate the 
>> heads up.  
>> Berthoud decaleur is back in stock in all varitions - it's been 
>> absent for 10 years.  
>> I just ordered one I need, horizontal stem bolt and 90-mm reach.  
>> Their Christmas sale was still in effect today - free DHL Express 
>> from France.  
>> With VAT subtracted, mine is coming home for 97 euro.  
>>
>> https://berthoudcycles.fr/en/883-899-handlebar-bag-decaleur.html#/186-length-50mm/187-stem_type-ahead_4_bolt_faceplate
>>
>> IMO, best decaleur design ever.  
>> [image: tSF2Er6.jpg]
>>
>> Since I'm here, my '85  Mercian, Gran Compe CPs with Ene-mini 
>> front-brake-bolt rack and Berthoud Singer mini front bag.  
>> [image: a8PA290006.JPG]
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Will Cliffhangers leave me hanging?

[John Bokman]

I have found the Marathon Supremes (700x35 and 700x38) to be great for 
urban riding/touring purposes. But, they are now sadly discontinued. The 
"replacement" is the Marathon "efficiency" which I can't quite get my head 
around...Another tire that I now enjoy for such purposes is the Panaracer 
Pasella Protite. Less expensive, great rolling, maybe not quite as 
flat-resistant, but so far so good (fingers crossed). I had used the 
original Pasellas, but found them to be flat-prone. The new ones seem to 
roll as well, but be much more flat-prone. Of course, I'm not riding on 
shoulders of highways where lots of tire and shrapnel conspire to deflate 
tires.

https://www.schwalbetires.com/Marathon-Efficiency-11654366
https://www.panaracerusa.com/products/pasela-protite-folding-urban-commuter-tire

FWIW, have haven't had trouble mounting Schwalbes (Marathon Green Guard, 
Marathon Supreme, Marathon Mondial) on Velocity Dyads nor Quill. They were 
a bit tougher to mount on Sun Rims (CR 18, I believe?). I think the key is 
to get the tire beads well into the center of the wheel well before 
proceeding with mounting.

John, Portland OR

On Thursday, December 28, 2023 at 1:54:52 PM UTC-8 maxcr wrote:

> Marathon Supremes have been quite supple and easy to mount for me
> Max
>
> On Dec 28, 2023, at 3:24 PM, Ed Carolipio  wrote:
>
> 
>
> I've had similar problems with the Cliffhangers and other tubeless 
> compatible rims. Two things I did to make life easier: (1) ensure the tire 
> bead is in the center channel, as Josiah pointed out; and (2) use a thin 
> plastic tubeless rim tape (Stan's, Velocity, Muc-Off) even when running 
> tubes and limit it at one layer. Never use the cloth rim tape (like Velox) 
> and avoid the rubber rim strips (like Ritchey).
>
> You didn't mention if you had a wire bead or folding bead tires. Wire 
> beads are hit-and-miss with different rims. I've found I have a lot less 
> trouble with folding bead tires.
>
> You also didn't mention which Marathons you're running. IMO the base 
> Marathons are the ones folks abhor. I opt for the highest option Marathons, 
> which used to be the Marathon Supremes but currently I think are Almotions, 
> and always in a folding bead. It's a much more supple and lighter tire with 
> similar flat performance and durability. I haven't had direct experince 
> with the Mondials but people speak highly of those when touring off road.
>
> --Ed Carolipio
> Redondo Beach, CA
>
> On Thursday, December 28, 2023 at 8:46:32 AM UTC-8 Curtis wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Looking for some Cliffhanger wisdom.  It seems that I am having a good 
>> amount of trouble mounting Schwalbe Marathons on my Cliffhangers.  So much 
>> so that I worry about a tire change in the field, such as the Oregon 
>> Outback, and been stranded.  I am now carrying a large screwdriver to get 
>> the leverage  needed to mount the last bit of tire on the rim.  Have not 
>> pinched more that two tubes in the last fifty years of flat fixing.  
>> Yesterday, I pinched two and scratched the heck out of the rim.  Not to 
>> mention bending the cool aluminum CyclePro tire levers that I have had 
>> since high school.
>> Any advice would be appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Curtis
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Northern Hemisphere Fall / Autumn Riding Photos 2023

[John Bokman]

Excellent shot, John!

John B
Portland OR

On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 4:05:22 PM UTC-8 John Rinker wrote:

> Somewhere in the middle of Nevada...
> [image: IMG_2546.jpeg]
>
> On Wednesday, November 29, 2023 at 12:40:28 PM UTC-8 coco...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Eric: Thanks! The front fender rubs constantly lol, but otherwise it is 
>> too handy!
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 29, 2023 at 11:09 AM Eric Marth  wrote:
>>
>>> Love those fendered fat tires, Coco!  :o) 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 28, 2023 at 1:04:55 PM UTC-5 coco...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Some from October in Squamish BC!

 On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 9:33:53 AM UTC-8 wrongw...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Tally-ho! 
>
> An early test run of my nearly-new (and absolutely new-to-me) 62cm 
> 2018 Rivendell Joe Appaloosa. The bike provides a super stable and cushy 
> ride, which I relish, but currently is a slight "work in progress" in 
> terms 
> of bars, racks, and other fitments. To be deployed in the future, some 
> first generation Crust Towel Rack bars, Shimano bar-end shifters, Tektro 
> brake levers, a rear Nitto Campee rack, and various tire packages. 
>
> This particular ride was along the White River State Trail, a section 
> of the former Milwaukee Road rail corridor in southeast Wisconsin, which 
> runs from Elkhorn in Walworth County, 19 miles eastward to Dover in 
> Racine 
> County, with a gap at Burlington. A section of the trail sits due north 
> of 
> the Wisconsin resort community of Lake Geneva ("Chicagoland's 
> playground"). 
> The first image was taken about a mile west of the Burlington trailhead, 
> on 
> the utility bridge a tad off the trail and perpendicular to it. The 
> bridge 
> spans the White River and allows the farm in the northern distance to 
> trundle its vehicles across the river and the east-west running trail 
> itself and so to access the fields on the southern side of the trail. It 
> is 
> a peaceful spot from which to watch the river meander and to espy Johnny 
> and Mary Muskrat as they sally forth from their watery den.
>
> [image: DSC00998 - Copy.JPG]
> The next three photos were taken in tiny and bucolic Springfield, 
> approximately six miles from the western start of the trail in Elkhorn, 
> along State Trunk Road 120 and Depot Street. The old Springfield Lumber, 
> Feed & Fuel Co. buildings along the former railbed now serve as Pedal & 
> Cup's bike rental depot. Note the bicycle shadow cast from the sign in 
> the 
> upper-right hand side of the image.
>
> [image: DSC00999 - Copy.JPG]
>
> [image: DSC01010 - Copy.JPG]
>
> Across the road from the Lumber Company resides the former Milwaukee 
> Road train depot, preserved pretty much in its original 1911 livery, but 
> now used not to sell tickets and ship steamer trunks but to purvey Pedal 
> & 
> Cup's delicious ice cream and coffee (alas, closed for the season).
>
>
> [image: DSC01011 - Copy.JPG]
>
> Should any leisurely-minded and lollygagging-inclined fellow Rivendell 
> enthusiasts within reach wish to come together for a party-paced ride 
> some 
> uncharacteristically balmy autumn day or sometime come Spring, do let me 
> know. Cheese-and-watercress sandwiches and bergamot-infused tea shall be 
> on 
> the menu. 
>
>
> Cheerio,
>
>
> Peter (aka "Wrongway Pete")
> Whitewater, Wisconsin
>
> *"For here is entertainment in excelsis, the sight, the sound and the 
> scent of thingsWhy cycling for joy is not the most popular passtime 
> on 
> earth is still a mystery to me." ---Frank J. Urry, "SALUTE TO CYCLING"*
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[RBW] Re: mounting a light to Nitto 32F

[John Bokman]

Lookin' good under the hood Paul.

On Monday, November 27, 2023 at 5:33:46 PM UTC-8 Paul Richardson wrote:

> if i could wave a magic wand and add a light tab, i certainly would, but 
> for now i'm pretty smitten with my new chainring mount.  can't believe it 
> was that easy!  and grateful again to the input here for steering me in the 
> right direction.  just in time for winter night rides!!
>
> paul
> takoma park, md.
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[RBW] Re: Gunnar Crosshairs

[John Bokman]

Gorgeous. Thanks for posting. What's your gear range if I may ask? What 
brakes are you using?

John

On Tuesday, November 28, 2023 at 9:23:34 AM UTC-8 exliontamer wrote:

> Got this built up & just wanted to share. I was looking for a Roadini but 
> this happened to pop up in my size & the price was too good to resist. 
> Can't speak highly enough about it. Wish I liked the Gunnar "Star Wars" 
> logo more but that's my only complaint. Very happy to have a tiny piece of 
> Waterford history. 
> [image: IMG_5103.jpg]
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Re: [RBW] Front Derailleur Suggestions

[John Bokman]

What I'm wondering is if the Alpina triple will work with a 10-speed setup?

John
Portland OR

On Friday, June 16, 2023 at 10:30:17 PM UTC-7 Ed Carolipio wrote:

> Hi Matt,
>
> That FD works excellent for me on a Crust Canti Romanceur (130mm rear hub 
> spacing) running 44-34-24 Silver crank and 110mm BB. I had to mount the FD 
> higher than I wanted to clear a pretty tall chainstay when on the smallest 
> ring so the gap between the cage and 44T ring is pretty big (~5mm).
>
> Details on the drivetrain - FD: IRD Alpina on a Problem Solvers FD mount 
> adapter; Crankset: Silver with 44T Dimension outer (ramped and pinned), 34T 
> Origin middle, and 24T Silver inner; BB: Shimano 68x110; RD: Altus RD 
> M-301; Chain: KMC X9; Cassette: Shimano HG 11-36; Shifters: Silver1 mounted 
> on the downtube.
>
> --Ed C.
> On Friday, June 16, 2023 at 10:47:47 AM UTC-7 Matthew Williams wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone, for my existing drivetrain:
>>
>> RD: Shimano Deore M591
>> Cassette: 9sp Shimano XTR 11/34T
>> SIlver crankset 44/34/24 (standard-issue from Rivendell)
>> 9sp chain
>>
>> I need a front derailleur with a narrow 9sp cage.
>>
>> Would the Alpina Triple front derailleur work with my setup? Is the 
>> Alpina Triple designed to work with 7/8-speeds, or 9/10 speeds?
>>
>>
>> https://www.interlocracing.com/shop/60120-ird-alpina-front-derailleur-triple-braze-on-4020
>>
>> (It’s braze-on, so I would be getting the 28.6 clamp.)
>>
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Re: [RBW] Quoc Gran Tourer shoes, 44

[john Bokman]

Oops, forgot:

John
Portland, OR

> On May 26, 2023, at 9:06 AM, John Bokman  wrote:
> 
> Hi Rivsters.
> 
> For your consideration are a pair of gorgeous Quoc shoes. These are New, in 
> Box, never used, nor have cleats been mounted. Unfortunately, they feel just 
> slightly too small, so I want to try and pass them on to someone for whom 
> they're "just right".
> 
> The reason I took the plunge is the sole. Really nice and grippy, and they're 
> much more stable underfoot than any clipless shoes I've tried. Nice product.
> 
> $175 you pay shipping.
> 
> Please reply off list.
> 
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/1TqxB2matByhBPbt6
> 
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[RBW] FS: Quoc Gran Tourer shoes, 44

[John Bokman]

Hi Rivsters.

For your consideration are a pair of gorgeous Quoc shoes. These are New, in 
Box, never used, nor have cleats been mounted. Unfortunately, they feel 
just slightly too small, so I want to try and pass them on to someone for 
whom they're "just right".

The reason I took the plunge is the sole. Really nice and grippy, and 
they're much more stable underfoot than any clipless shoes I've tried. Nice 
product.

$175 you pay shipping.

Please reply off list.

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Re: [RBW] Plea for help with photos

[John Bokman]

Thanks. I have never used the icon with the mountains, only the paperclip. 
Good to know.

On Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 9:27:55 AM UTC-7 brizbarn wrote:

> I've had some luck with clicking the picture icon (mountains), rather than 
> the paper clip to post photos.  However, I can usually only post one or two 
> photos max into each post.  If I try to post more photos in one posting, it 
> tells me my message is too long and to try again.  I always prefer the 
> photos being here in the conversation, rather than a link to somewhere 
> else, so it would great to know how some people post a larger group of 
> photos here in one conversation post.  I am using a MacBook pro usually, 
> not an iPhone.
>
> On Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 9:08:00 AM UTC-7 John Bokman wrote:
>
>> When you say you create the link and "paste it" are you specifically 
>> saying you "invite people" in google photos? I can copy the link but can't 
>> "invite" rbw owners bunch.
>>
>> On Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 9:04:56 AM UTC-7 John Bokman wrote:
>>
>>> For sure I can see it!
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 4:55:11 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> Permit me to try this. I had an existing album in my Google photos app. 
>>>> I was able to “copy link” & paste it here; can you see it?
>>>>
>>>> [image: 
>>>> Y7zHoTXLwdayjp7XYedS6IWnpL43mQJymaeOZBBuMNFxGuB-4UWdOMJ0h1NMSSZoPbKNIoNeN_W28QchXfrv70ULpDUMhMZwB_mUgBRFTvpf40IIVgmSM7m4e684nLrtS67Fk3K5mw=w600-h315-p-k.jpeg]
>>>>
>>>> Gus! <https://photos.app.goo.gl/C7VAntDBoDHCZDcf8>
>>>> app.goo.gl <https://photos.app.goo.gl/C7VAntDBoDHCZDcf8>
>>>> <https://photos.app.goo.gl/C7VAntDBoDHCZDcf8>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On May 24, 2023, at 3:50 PM, John Bokman  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> rmmose:
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the thoughts. In my case, I create a link to my album but 
>>>> can't share it because my phone (apple) doesn't recognize the riv owners 
>>>> bunch. As in, it is not listed in my contacts, even though I added it to 
>>>> my 
>>>> contacts. Make sense? Sort of?
>>>>
>>>> John
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 10:49:25 AM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi John. That is what I do. I create a Google photo album and then 
>>>>> paste a link to that album. A bigger frustration for me is not being able 
>>>>> to create a new post or “conversation” from my phone. I am sure there is 
>>>>> a 
>>>>> good reason for this but I don’t get it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 24, 2023, at 1:30 PM, John Bokman  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Rivsters.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm soliciting help in attaching photos to messages. In the past I 
>>>>> have used the paperclip to attach singular photos from my computer.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now, I'm thinking it should, theoretically, be easier to attach 
>>>>> multiple pictures by using google photos (which I've just installed on my 
>>>>> apple phone). I am under the impression I can create a link to my album 
>>>>> (selected photos only of course) and then "share" the link to the group 
>>>>> members.
>>>>>
>>>>> Am I getting this right? Any recommendations before I proceed further?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks all.
>>>>>
>>>>> John
>>>>>
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Re: [RBW] Plea for help with photos

[John Bokman]

When you say you create the link and "paste it" are you specifically saying 
you "invite people" in google photos? I can copy the link but can't 
"invite" rbw owners bunch.

On Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 9:04:56 AM UTC-7 John Bokman wrote:

> For sure I can see it!
>
> John
>
> On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 4:55:11 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Permit me to try this. I had an existing album in my Google photos app. I 
>> was able to “copy link” & paste it here; can you see it?
>>
>> [image: 
>> Y7zHoTXLwdayjp7XYedS6IWnpL43mQJymaeOZBBuMNFxGuB-4UWdOMJ0h1NMSSZoPbKNIoNeN_W28QchXfrv70ULpDUMhMZwB_mUgBRFTvpf40IIVgmSM7m4e684nLrtS67Fk3K5mw=w600-h315-p-k.jpeg]
>>
>> Gus! <https://photos.app.goo.gl/C7VAntDBoDHCZDcf8>
>> app.goo.gl <https://photos.app.goo.gl/C7VAntDBoDHCZDcf8>
>> <https://photos.app.goo.gl/C7VAntDBoDHCZDcf8>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On May 24, 2023, at 3:50 PM, John Bokman  wrote:
>>
>> rmmose:
>>
>> Thanks for the thoughts. In my case, I create a link to my album but 
>> can't share it because my phone (apple) doesn't recognize the riv owners 
>> bunch. As in, it is not listed in my contacts, even though I added it to my 
>> contacts. Make sense? Sort of?
>>
>> John
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 10:49:25 AM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Hi John. That is what I do. I create a Google photo album and then paste 
>>> a link to that album. A bigger frustration for me is not being able to 
>>> create a new post or “conversation” from my phone. I am sure there is a 
>>> good reason for this but I don’t get it.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On May 24, 2023, at 1:30 PM, John Bokman  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Rivsters.
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm soliciting help in attaching photos to messages. In the past I have 
>>> used the paperclip to attach singular photos from my computer.
>>>
>>> Now, I'm thinking it should, theoretically, be easier to attach multiple 
>>> pictures by using google photos (which I've just installed on my apple 
>>> phone). I am under the impression I can create a link to my album (selected 
>>> photos only of course) and then "share" the link to the group members.
>>>
>>> Am I getting this right? Any recommendations before I proceed further?
>>>
>>> Thanks all.
>>>
>>> John
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Plea for help with photos

[John Bokman]

For sure I can see it!

John

On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 4:55:11 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Permit me to try this. I had an existing album in my Google photos app. I 
> was able to “copy link” & paste it here; can you see it?
>
> [image: 
> Y7zHoTXLwdayjp7XYedS6IWnpL43mQJymaeOZBBuMNFxGuB-4UWdOMJ0h1NMSSZoPbKNIoNeN_W28QchXfrv70ULpDUMhMZwB_mUgBRFTvpf40IIVgmSM7m4e684nLrtS67Fk3K5mw=w600-h315-p-k.jpeg]
>
> Gus! <https://photos.app.goo.gl/C7VAntDBoDHCZDcf8>
> app.goo.gl <https://photos.app.goo.gl/C7VAntDBoDHCZDcf8>
> <https://photos.app.goo.gl/C7VAntDBoDHCZDcf8>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 24, 2023, at 3:50 PM, John Bokman  wrote:
>
> rmmose:
>
> Thanks for the thoughts. In my case, I create a link to my album but can't 
> share it because my phone (apple) doesn't recognize the riv owners bunch. 
> As in, it is not listed in my contacts, even though I added it to my 
> contacts. Make sense? Sort of?
>
> John
>
> On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 10:49:25 AM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hi John. That is what I do. I create a Google photo album and then paste 
>> a link to that album. A bigger frustration for me is not being able to 
>> create a new post or “conversation” from my phone. I am sure there is a 
>> good reason for this but I don’t get it.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On May 24, 2023, at 1:30 PM, John Bokman  wrote:
>>
>> Hi Rivsters.
>>
>>
>> I'm soliciting help in attaching photos to messages. In the past I have 
>> used the paperclip to attach singular photos from my computer.
>>
>> Now, I'm thinking it should, theoretically, be easier to attach multiple 
>> pictures by using google photos (which I've just installed on my apple 
>> phone). I am under the impression I can create a link to my album (selected 
>> photos only of course) and then "share" the link to the group members.
>>
>> Am I getting this right? Any recommendations before I proceed further?
>>
>> Thanks all.
>>
>> John
>>
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Re: [RBW] Plea for help with photos

[John Bokman]

rmmose:
Thanks for the thoughts. In my case, I create a link to my album but can't 
share it because my phone (apple) doesn't recognize the riv owners bunch. 
As in, it is not listed in my contacts, even though I added it to my 
contacts. Make sense? Sort of?

John

On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 10:49:25 AM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi John. That is what I do. I create a Google photo album and then paste a 
> link to that album. A bigger frustration for me is not being able to create 
> a new post or “conversation” from my phone. I am sure there is a good 
> reason for this but I don’t get it.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 24, 2023, at 1:30 PM, John Bokman  wrote:
>
> Hi Rivsters.
>
>
> I'm soliciting help in attaching photos to messages. In the past I have 
> used the paperclip to attach singular photos from my computer.
>
> Now, I'm thinking it should, theoretically, be easier to attach multiple 
> pictures by using google photos (which I've just installed on my apple 
> phone). I am under the impression I can create a link to my album (selected 
> photos only of course) and then "share" the link to the group members.
>
> Am I getting this right? Any recommendations before I proceed further?
>
> Thanks all.
>
> John
>
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[RBW] Plea for help with photos

[John Bokman]

Hi Rivsters.

I'm soliciting help in attaching photos to messages. In the past I have 
used the paperclip to attach singular photos from my computer.

Now, I'm thinking it should, theoretically, be easier to attach multiple 
pictures by using google photos (which I've just installed on my apple 
phone). I am under the impression I can create a link to my album (selected 
photos only of course) and then "share" the link to the group members.

Am I getting this right? Any recommendations before I proceed further?

Thanks all.

John

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Re: [RBW] Roadini 1000 mile review

[John Bokman]

Piaw, thanks for taking the time to measure!

Although I have been a customer of Rivendell since their inception and  was 
a Bridgestone rider previously, I would like to support them as much as 
possible. However, I find it frustrating that they don't list frame tubing 
specs. I understand there are many reasons why they would not do so. But, 
as someone who would be buying a frame from out of state, sight unseen, 
it's a tough sell. As you rightly suggest, the only way to know how it 
feels is to ride one.

On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 7:22:41 AM UTC-7 pi...@gmail.com wrote:

> I got out my calipers --- the top tube, head tube, and seat tubes are 29mm 
> (most likely 28.6), and the downtube is 31.5mm (most likely 31.8). It 
> doesn't feel stiff to me, but since I broke 2 ti frames, my guess is each 
> time I broke one my custom builder proceeded to build me bikes with 
> thicker/heavier tubing, so it's quite possible that my ti touring bike is 
> so stiff that OS tubing feels right. The seatpost is 26.8mm, so that means 
> the tube is 1.2mm thick at the ends and thinner in the middle. Since the 
> tubes used by Rivendell aren't disclosed, you'd have to ride it to see how 
> stiff you think it is. I don't have a 1993 Bridgestone RB-1 to compare, but 
> when I rode that one I wasn't nearly as strong or as abusive to bicycles as 
> I am now. I was considerably lighter (113 pounds), and wasn't taking my 
> road bikes off pavement, jumping ditches, etc. (That RB-1 died when a Volvo 
> hit me)
>
> Looking at this page: 
> https://www.veloduo.co.uk/blogs/news/steel-frame-tubing-fact-and-mythology, 
> the typical steel frame seat tube has an outside diameter of 28.6 (which is 
> pretty much what I measured). I know Grant is conservative about tubing 
> (which is why I'm so confident about riding the Roadini off pavement), so a 
> wall thickness of 1.2mm (being 0.4mm thicker than the 531 standard) 
> wouldn't surprise me.
> On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 4:01:04 AM UTC-7 Eric Daume wrote:
>
>> Hi John,
>>
>> I’m 6’3”, 180 pounds, and briefly had a 61cm Roadini. It has some weird 
>> tapering to the tubes, but I think it was basically double OS on that size. 
>> Maybe 28.6 tapering to 31.8 or something. It felt stiff and not 
>> particularly responsive to me. It’s not like an old vintage road bike with 
>> a 25.4mm top tube. 
>>
>> My ‘84 Trek rides better, but doesn’t have the tire clearance or long 
>> wheelbase of the Roadini. 
>>
>> Eric
>>
>>
>> On Friday, May 19, 2023, John Bokman  wrote:
>>
>>> Piaw, thanks for the comments and pictures! Looks like you're having 
>>> loads of fun.
>>>
>>> I would likely be running  downtube shifters and a 2x with a long cage 
>>> derailieur to get my low gears. You must be running, what,  an 11x50? I'm 
>>> sorry for the redundant question if it's listed on the website,  but are 
>>> these oversized tubes? They look to be 28.6cm at least? Yet you still feel 
>>> it is a compliant frame? (No judgement, just trying to decipher.)
>>>
>>> On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 5:35:17 PM UTC-7 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> Here are some pictures of my Roadini: 
>>>> https://www.amazon.com/photos/shared/XO7eDWt_RaCyVFynaZsftA.vhwY43mas9VqIf5gM0Swqo
>>>>
>>>> The bike as pictured weighs 24 pounds. It was 21 pounds with no toolbag 
>>>> and lighter wheels and 30mm tires. It's possible to get lighter steel (or 
>>>> titanium) bikes, but then the costs go up dramatically as you're likely to 
>>>> have to go custom with correspondingly high wait times.
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 5:26 PM John Bokman  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for the review! As a daily drop-bar Sam rider, I'm well 
>>>>> accustomed to the Rivendell ride. It's been a great bike for my uses: 
>>>>> commuting, heavy loading. But, as a light (155# @ 6 foot tall), spinner,  
>>>>> I 
>>>>> wish for a bike that is lighter, less stiff, and more flexible to ride 
>>>>> when 
>>>>> I want to charge hills and generally explore at speed on day rides. I am 
>>>>> interested in this frame for these reasons. But I hesitate because I'm 
>>>>> not 
>>>>> sure of the tubing specs. I don't want it to be too much bike for me! Sam 
>>>>> is less than ideal on the rides I imagine doing on the Roadini.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd love to see some photos of your machine if you have any available.
>>>>>
>>>>> John
>>>>> Portland, OR

Re: [RBW] Roadini 1000 mile review

[John Bokman]

Eric, thanks for your thoughts. I was guessing the frame tubes were about 
as thick as my Sam. I know there is a lot more to how a bike feels than 
purely frame tube size, but I'd be reluctant to go to the same tubing for 
this type of bike and my desired riding.

On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 4:01:04 AM UTC-7 Eric Daume wrote:

> Hi John,
>
> I’m 6’3”, 180 pounds, and briefly had a 61cm Roadini. It has some weird 
> tapering to the tubes, but I think it was basically double OS on that size. 
> Maybe 28.6 tapering to 31.8 or something. It felt stiff and not 
> particularly responsive to me. It’s not like an old vintage road bike with 
> a 25.4mm top tube. 
>
> My ‘84 Trek rides better, but doesn’t have the tire clearance or long 
> wheelbase of the Roadini. 
>
> Eric
>
>
> On Friday, May 19, 2023, John Bokman  wrote:
>
>> Piaw, thanks for the comments and pictures! Looks like you're having 
>> loads of fun.
>>
>> I would likely be running  downtube shifters and a 2x with a long cage 
>> derailieur to get my low gears. You must be running, what,  an 11x50? I'm 
>> sorry for the redundant question if it's listed on the website,  but are 
>> these oversized tubes? They look to be 28.6cm at least? Yet you still feel 
>> it is a compliant frame? (No judgement, just trying to decipher.)
>>
>> On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 5:35:17 PM UTC-7 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Here are some pictures of my Roadini: 
>>> https://www.amazon.com/photos/shared/XO7eDWt_RaCyVFynaZsftA.vhwY43mas9VqIf5gM0Swqo
>>>
>>> The bike as pictured weighs 24 pounds. It was 21 pounds with no toolbag 
>>> and lighter wheels and 30mm tires. It's possible to get lighter steel (or 
>>> titanium) bikes, but then the costs go up dramatically as you're likely to 
>>> have to go custom with correspondingly high wait times.
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 5:26 PM John Bokman  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks for the review! As a daily drop-bar Sam rider, I'm well 
>>>> accustomed to the Rivendell ride. It's been a great bike for my uses: 
>>>> commuting, heavy loading. But, as a light (155# @ 6 foot tall), spinner,  
>>>> I 
>>>> wish for a bike that is lighter, less stiff, and more flexible to ride 
>>>> when 
>>>> I want to charge hills and generally explore at speed on day rides. I am 
>>>> interested in this frame for these reasons. But I hesitate because I'm not 
>>>> sure of the tubing specs. I don't want it to be too much bike for me! Sam 
>>>> is less than ideal on the rides I imagine doing on the Roadini.
>>>>
>>>> I'd love to see some photos of your machine if you have any available.
>>>>
>>>> John
>>>> Portland, OR
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 10:04:16 AM UTC-7 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Max tire width according to Rivendell is 42mm. I don't like to push it 
>>>>> that close, so I think in practice I won't run anything more than 38mm 
>>>>> actual width. I have no TCO on the Roadini. The TCO exists on my custom 
>>>>> touring bike, which has a geometry copied from the 1993 Bridgestone RB-1 
>>>>> with a longer chainstay and lower BB.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, May 17, 2023 at 9:55 AM Ian A  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Piaw,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you for your review. You mention fitting nominally 40mm wide 
>>>>>> tires and I would be curious to know what the maximum tire widths with 
>>>>>> and 
>>>>>> without fenders are? 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your review in the final paragraph draws reference to toe-clip 
>>>>>> overlap (TCO) and I was wondering if you could expand on that. Do you 
>>>>>> experience TCO on the Roadini?  I wasn't quite sure if you were 
>>>>>> referencing 
>>>>>> the Roadini or an idea for a custom in this snippet of the review "  It 
>>>>>> gets rid of the toe clip overlap (which doesn't bother me but now that I 
>>>>>> know how to solve it without making a bike handle badly".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> IanA Alberta Canada
>>>>>> On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 9:54:06 AM UTC-6 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've now ridden my Roadini for 1000 miles, and I wrote my review: 
>>>>>>> https://blog.piaw.net/2023/05/rivend

Re: [RBW] Re: Roadini 1000 mile review

[John Bokman]

Piaw, thanks for the comments and pictures! Looks like you're having loads 
of fun.

I would likely be running  downtube shifters and a 2x with a long cage 
derailieur to get my low gears. You must be running, what,  an 11x50? I'm 
sorry for the redundant question if it's listed on the website,  but are 
these oversized tubes? They look to be 28.6cm at least? Yet you still feel 
it is a compliant frame? (No judgement, just trying to decipher.)

On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 5:35:17 PM UTC-7 pi...@gmail.com wrote:

> Here are some pictures of my Roadini: 
> https://www.amazon.com/photos/shared/XO7eDWt_RaCyVFynaZsftA.vhwY43mas9VqIf5gM0Swqo
>
> The bike as pictured weighs 24 pounds. It was 21 pounds with no toolbag 
> and lighter wheels and 30mm tires. It's possible to get lighter steel (or 
> titanium) bikes, but then the costs go up dramatically as you're likely to 
> have to go custom with correspondingly high wait times.
>
> On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 5:26 PM John Bokman  wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the review! As a daily drop-bar Sam rider, I'm well accustomed 
>> to the Rivendell ride. It's been a great bike for my uses: commuting, heavy 
>> loading. But, as a light (155# @ 6 foot tall), spinner,  I wish for a bike 
>> that is lighter, less stiff, and more flexible to ride when I want to 
>> charge hills and generally explore at speed on day rides. I am interested 
>> in this frame for these reasons. But I hesitate because I'm not sure of the 
>> tubing specs. I don't want it to be too much bike for me! Sam is less than 
>> ideal on the rides I imagine doing on the Roadini.
>>
>> I'd love to see some photos of your machine if you have any available.
>>
>> John
>> Portland, OR
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 10:04:16 AM UTC-7 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Max tire width according to Rivendell is 42mm. I don't like to push it 
>>> that close, so I think in practice I won't run anything more than 38mm 
>>> actual width. I have no TCO on the Roadini. The TCO exists on my custom 
>>> touring bike, which has a geometry copied from the 1993 Bridgestone RB-1 
>>> with a longer chainstay and lower BB.
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 17, 2023 at 9:55 AM Ian A  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Piaw,
>>>>
>>>> Thank you for your review. You mention fitting nominally 40mm wide 
>>>> tires and I would be curious to know what the maximum tire widths with and 
>>>> without fenders are? 
>>>>
>>>> Your review in the final paragraph draws reference to toe-clip overlap 
>>>> (TCO) and I was wondering if you could expand on that. Do you experience 
>>>> TCO on the Roadini?  I wasn't quite sure if you were referencing the 
>>>> Roadini or an idea for a custom in this snippet of the review "  It 
>>>> gets rid of the toe clip overlap (which doesn't bother me but now that I 
>>>> know how to solve it without making a bike handle badly".
>>>>
>>>> IanA Alberta Canada
>>>> On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 9:54:06 AM UTC-6 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I've now ridden my Roadini for 1000 miles, and I wrote my review: 
>>>>> https://blog.piaw.net/2023/05/rivendell-roadini-1000-mile-review.html
>>>>>
>>>>> I think I'm agreeing with the folks who say that gravel bikes are 
>>>>> simply 1990s style mountain bikes with 700c wheels and 1x drivetrains.
>>>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadini 1000 mile review

[John Bokman]

Thanks for the review! As a daily drop-bar Sam rider, I'm well accustomed 
to the Rivendell ride. It's been a great bike for my uses: commuting, heavy 
loading. But, as a light (155# @ 6 foot tall), spinner,  I wish for a bike 
that is lighter, less stiff, and more flexible to ride when I want to 
charge hills and generally explore at speed on day rides. I am interested 
in this frame for these reasons. But I hesitate because I'm not sure of the 
tubing specs. I don't want it to be too much bike for me! Sam is less than 
ideal on the rides I imagine doing on the Roadini.

I'd love to see some photos of your machine if you have any available.

John
Portland, OR

On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 10:04:16 AM UTC-7 pi...@gmail.com wrote:

> Max tire width according to Rivendell is 42mm. I don't like to push it 
> that close, so I think in practice I won't run anything more than 38mm 
> actual width. I have no TCO on the Roadini. The TCO exists on my custom 
> touring bike, which has a geometry copied from the 1993 Bridgestone RB-1 
> with a longer chainstay and lower BB.
>
> On Wed, May 17, 2023 at 9:55 AM Ian A  wrote:
>
>> Piaw,
>>
>> Thank you for your review. You mention fitting nominally 40mm wide tires 
>> and I would be curious to know what the maximum tire widths with and 
>> without fenders are? 
>>
>> Your review in the final paragraph draws reference to toe-clip overlap 
>> (TCO) and I was wondering if you could expand on that. Do you experience 
>> TCO on the Roadini?  I wasn't quite sure if you were referencing the 
>> Roadini or an idea for a custom in this snippet of the review "  It gets 
>> rid of the toe clip overlap (which doesn't bother me but now that I know 
>> how to solve it without making a bike handle badly".
>>
>> IanA Alberta Canada
>> On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 9:54:06 AM UTC-6 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I've now ridden my Roadini for 1000 miles, and I wrote my review: 
>>> https://blog.piaw.net/2023/05/rivendell-roadini-1000-mile-review.html
>>>
>>> I think I'm agreeing with the folks who say that gravel bikes are simply 
>>> 1990s style mountain bikes with 700c wheels and 1x drivetrains.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Introducing the Charlie H Gallop Protovelo

[John Bokman]

@ Brendonoid: Wondering if you could not try Centerpulls on your Sam? They 
can be mighty effective. You could always braze on posts (I have done this 
on my Sam for the record) if the Centerpulls don't do it for you.

John
On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 6:31:28 AM UTC-7 brendonoid wrote:

> I was 100% buying a Charlie until the brake change now I am 95% not going 
> to buy one. I have never had a problem with R559s and have used them on 
> quite a few bikes but their clearance limitations are the real problem. Wet 
> weather downhill performance can be weak but it isn't a deal breaker. I 
> want big slicks on a road bike and the Charlie was going to be that bike 
> for me. Oh well.
>
> Thinking more and more about welding canti posts onto my old sidepull Sam 
> instead though...
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Re: [RBW] Re: Bike rack suggestions

[john Bokman]

Thanks Chris. It looks like it has one now:

https://www.1up-usa.com/product/quik-rack-single/ 
<https://www.1up-usa.com/product/quik-rack-single/>


> On Apr 6, 2023, at 5:19 PM, Chris L  wrote:
> 
> Read the 1UP descriptions very carefully.  I'm pretty sure when I bought 
> mine, they sold a 1.25" hitch version but I think it didn't have the ability 
> to be locked to the hitch, which was a must-have for me.  Heck, mine might be 
> a 1.25" with a spacer to make it 2". 
> 
> On Thursday, April 6, 2023 at 6:33:43 PM UTC-5 John Bokman wrote:
> Furthermore, I'm interested in hearing from those who use a 1.25" hitch 
> rather than the 2" hitch. I believe my Toyota Matrix can only accomodate a 
> 1.25" hitch (yet to install one). Is the 1.25 inch hitch suitable for a heavy 
> rack such as the 1UP, or other heavy beast?
> 
> On Thursday, April 6, 2023 at 4:30:34 PM UTC-7 John Bokman wrote:
> in Jacob's excellent picture, it looks like the front wheel is held down at 
> just about the area my Tubus Tara front rack's hoop is located. I'm wondering 
> if I were to adjust the holder further in front of the wheel: Would this 
> compromise security?  Otherwise, I might be able to place the holder in the 
> 4" between Tara's hoop and the front of my fender? Has anyone tried the 1up 
> with a Tubus Tara?
> 
> With auto racks, it seems if it's not one thing, it's another. To think, I 
> used to ride a bike with no fenders, nor racks of any kind! That was long 
> ago
> 
> John
> On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 4:30:01 AM UTC-8 jacob...@gmail.com <> wrote:
> I’ve got a 1up and a Thule t2. The Thule would not work with fenders. My 1pu 
> is the single bike option and does a great job. Here’s a pic with an xl Gus. 
> Road solid for about 50 miles of interstate and country roads. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Jacob
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 20, 2023, at 7:10 AM, Brian Turner > wrote:
>> 
>> 
> 
>> If I had to do it all over, I’d definitely go with a 1up rack. My Küat NV2.0 
>> is great, and I’m fine with how it works with fenders and racks… but I feel 
>> like a 1up would be more secure in those cases. Also, my Medium Gus at 50” 
>> wheelbase is the absolute maximum length the Küat will handle.
>> 
>>> On Feb 20, 2023, at 1:05 AM, JAS > wrote:
>>> 
> 
>>> The 1Up rack has worked really well for me too.  It's spendy, but well 
>>> made and has worked well with my Clem, Platypus and Bike Friday (all have 
>>> fenders).
>>> 
>>> Joyce
>>> 
> 
>>> On Sunday, February 19, 2023 at 9:38:15 PM UTC-8 JW wrote:
> 
>>> We love our 1UP rack and it works pretty well with fenders.
>>> 
> 
>>> On Sunday, February 19, 2023 at 9:24:08 PM UTC-8 Pam Bikes wrote:
>>> Looking for recommendations for a bike rack for a Prius for my fendered 
>>> Betty.  Lots of tray mount racks seem to not be made for fenders.  And the 
>>> hanging style would need a bar since my Betty is a step through.  This 
>>> isn't for my car.  I don't like to drive.  Thanks in advance.
> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Bike rack suggestions

[John Bokman]

Furthermore, I'm interested in hearing from those who use a 1.25" hitch 
rather than the 2" hitch. I believe my Toyota Matrix can only accomodate a 
1.25" hitch (yet to install one). Is the 1.25 inch hitch suitable for a 
heavy rack such as the 1UP, or other heavy beast?

On Thursday, April 6, 2023 at 4:30:34 PM UTC-7 John Bokman wrote:

> in Jacob's excellent picture, it looks like the front wheel is held down 
> at just about the area my Tubus Tara front rack's hoop is located. I'm 
> wondering if I were to adjust the holder further in front of the wheel: 
> Would this compromise security?  Otherwise, I might be able to place the 
> holder in the 4" between Tara's hoop and the front of my fender? Has anyone 
> tried the 1up with a Tubus Tara?
>
> With auto racks, it seems if it's not one thing, it's another. To think, I 
> used to ride a bike with no fenders, nor racks of any kind! That was long 
> ago
>
> John
> On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 4:30:01 AM UTC-8 jacob...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I’ve got a 1up and a Thule t2. The Thule would not work with fenders. My 
>> 1pu is the single bike option and does a great job. Here’s a pic with an xl 
>> Gus. Road solid for about 50 miles of interstate and country roads. 
>>
>> [image: image0.jpeg]
>>
>
>>
>> -Jacob
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Feb 20, 2023, at 7:10 AM, Brian Turner  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> If I had to do it all over, I’d definitely go with a 1up rack. My Küat 
>> NV2.0 is great, and I’m fine with how it works with fenders and racks… but 
>> I feel like a 1up would be more secure in those cases. Also, my Medium Gus 
>> at 50” wheelbase is the absolute maximum length the Küat will handle.
>>
>> On Feb 20, 2023, at 1:05 AM, JAS  wrote:
>>
>> The 1Up rack has worked really well for me too.  It's spendy, but well 
>> made and has worked well with my Clem, Platypus and Bike Friday (all have 
>> fenders).
>>
>> Joyce
>>
>> On Sunday, February 19, 2023 at 9:38:15 PM UTC-8 JW wrote:
>>
>> We love our 1UP rack and it works pretty well with fenders.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, February 19, 2023 at 9:24:08 PM UTC-8 Pam Bikes wrote:
>>>
>>>> Looking for recommendations for a bike rack for a Prius for my fendered 
>>>> Betty.  Lots of tray mount racks seem to not be made for fenders.  And the 
>>>> hanging style would need a bar since my Betty is a step through.  This 
>>>> isn't for my car.  I don't like to drive.  Thanks in advance.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Bike rack suggestions

[John Bokman]

in Jacob's excellent picture, it looks like the front wheel is held down at 
just about the area my Tubus Tara front rack's hoop is located. I'm 
wondering if I were to adjust the holder further in front of the wheel: 
Would this compromise security?  Otherwise, I might be able to place the 
holder in the 4" between Tara's hoop and the front of my fender? Has anyone 
tried the 1up with a Tubus Tara?

With auto racks, it seems if it's not one thing, it's another. To think, I 
used to ride a bike with no fenders, nor racks of any kind! That was long 
ago

John
On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 4:30:01 AM UTC-8 jacob...@gmail.com wrote:

> I’ve got a 1up and a Thule t2. The Thule would not work with fenders. My 
> 1pu is the single bike option and does a great job. Here’s a pic with an xl 
> Gus. Road solid for about 50 miles of interstate and country roads. 
>
> [image: image0.jpeg]
>
> -Jacob
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 20, 2023, at 7:10 AM, Brian Turner  wrote:
>
> 
>
> If I had to do it all over, I’d definitely go with a 1up rack. My Küat 
> NV2.0 is great, and I’m fine with how it works with fenders and racks… but 
> I feel like a 1up would be more secure in those cases. Also, my Medium Gus 
> at 50” wheelbase is the absolute maximum length the Küat will handle.
>
> On Feb 20, 2023, at 1:05 AM, JAS  wrote:
>
> The 1Up rack has worked really well for me too.  It's spendy, but well 
> made and has worked well with my Clem, Platypus and Bike Friday (all have 
> fenders).
>
> Joyce
>
> On Sunday, February 19, 2023 at 9:38:15 PM UTC-8 JW wrote:
>
>> We love our 1UP rack and it works pretty well with fenders.
>>
>> On Sunday, February 19, 2023 at 9:24:08 PM UTC-8 Pam Bikes wrote:
>>
>>> Looking for recommendations for a bike rack for a Prius for my fendered 
>>> Betty.  Lots of tray mount racks seem to not be made for fenders.  And the 
>>> hanging style would need a bar since my Betty is a step through.  This 
>>> isn't for my car.  I don't like to drive.  Thanks in advance.
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[RBW] Re: Riv Riders Interactive Map is Live!

[John Bokman]

Thanks for setting this up John!

John in Portland

On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 1:41:43 PM UTC-8 fra...@gmail.com wrote:

> Very cool, thank you for setting this up!
>
> On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 1:40:02 PM UTC-8 John Rinker wrote:
>
>> Pins are dropping!
>> [image: Screen Shot 2023-03-11 at 2.37.15 PM.png]
>>
>> On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 1:59:58 PM UTC-7 John Rinker wrote:
>>
>>> The Map of Riv Riders is ready!* Thanks to Dave's example of the 
>>> 'Unicycle Community Map' I've put together a similar interactive map that 
>>> Riv Riders can now populate with your location. 
>>>
>>> As mentioned, the purpose of this map is to help Riv riders find each 
>>> other, connect and plan rides.
>>>
>>> Here's a link to the site:
>>>
>>> Map of Rivendell Riders 
>>> 
>>>
>>> There is a Google form registration that, once completed and manually 
>>> updated by me, will put a pin of your location on the map. 
>>>
>>> You can 'drop' this pin in a couple of ways:
>>>
>>> 1. Provide your address
>>>
>>> 2. Provide a random address in your city or town
>>>
>>> 3. Provide map coordinates (latitude, longitude)
>>>
>>> Check it out and if it seems interesting to you then register and wait 
>>> for your pin to show up. 
>>>
>>> Cheers, John
>>>
>>> *I'll call it a beta version because I just learned how to connect 
>>> Google forms, maps, and sites together. Seems to work well though.
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Bike rack suggestions

[John Bokman]

Paul, thanks for digging deeper. It does indeed look like it would work for 
me. I'd probably spring for the double bike rack; at $580, it ain't cheap, 
but it seems comparable, or less expensive, that many options out there. As 
to the Yakima Raptor: I have had one for 25- or -so years, and it always 
just works. I give it no special treatment, no pampering, and it just 
works. Unfortunately,  it doesn't have a clone in a hitch-mounted rack. 
I've always been impressed with my various old-school Yakima racks, going 
on 35 years old now. So I want to give them the business, but they don't 
seem to make what I want: a simple-to-use, platform hitch rack that doesn't 
impinge on my fenders. In fact, I'm surprised that there are so few options 
for fendered bikes across brands. I guess not everyone lives in Portland, 
Oregon, like me. Who knew?

John

On Saturday, February 25, 2023 at 12:00:45 PM UTC-8 Paul Clifton wrote:

> Page 4 of the PDF instructions show the preferred arm location. It's like 
> basically as long as you can get it up to about 7 o'clock, you should be 
> good:
> https://rockymounts.com/content/51339_REV_5_sml.pdf
>
> I didn't see any reviews or video instructions. must be niche product :)
>
> I may spring for one of these next time I need another rack, which may be 
> never, but it'd really encourage me to put fenders back on some of my bikes.
>
> Paul
>
> On Saturday, February 25, 2023 at 1:55:02 PM UTC-6 Paul Clifton wrote:
>
>> yeah, John, I had the same thought. I might do a search on youtube or 
>> something for a review that shows it actually working.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, February 25, 2023 at 11:46:20 AM UTC-6 John Bokman wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for the recommendation Paul. I'm wondering if the front arm can 
>>> be rotated forward a bit? My fenders are longer in front than the ones 
>>> shone on the Ebike.
>>>
>>> John
>>> On Saturday, February 25, 2023 at 6:44:35 AM UTC-8 Paul Clifton wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've stayed out of this thread because the Yakima roof rack I use has 
>>>> already been mentioned (the one that clamps the downtube) and my 
>>>> Rockymounts rack isn't ideal for fenders, but I just went to Rockymounts 
>>>> site and they have a rack specifically for fenders: 
>>>> https://rockymounts.com/
>>>>
>>>> I looks like they have a hitch mount version: 
>>>> https://rockymounts.com/products/highnoon-fc-solo-fits-both-1-25-2.html
>>>> I guess it adds a backstop behind the front wheel, so the arm can grab 
>>>> the front of the front wheel and squeeze it against the backstop. Pretty 
>>>> smart design IMO. 
>>>>
>>>> And it looks like maybe there's a roof rack version launching in a 
>>>> couple days. Here's a screenshot I grabbed:
>>>> [image: Screenshot 2023-02-25 084056.png]
>>>>
>>>> FWIW, I'm really happy with the quality and stability of my Rockymounts 
>>>> rack. It's this roof rack that works with really fat tires: 
>>>> https://rockymounts.com/products/tomahawk.html. I think the price has 
>>>> gone up, but when I was shopping I thought it seemed like the best 
>>>> price/quality option, and it has definitely been great.
>>>>
>>>> I understand why people don't want to clamp the downtubes of their 
>>>> bikes, but as far as functionally holding a bike with fenders, the old 
>>>> Yakima Raptors work really really well if you can find one. Buying used is 
>>>> a reasonable proposition. These things dont wear out: 
>>>> https://www.pinkbike.com/buysell/1915462/
>>>>
>>>> So, just throwing that rockymounts option into the mix :)
>>>>
>>>> Paul in AR
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday, February 19, 2023 at 11:24:08 PM UTC-6 Pam Bikes wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Looking for recommendations for a bike rack for a Prius for my 
>>>>> fendered Betty.  Lots of tray mount racks seem to not be made for 
>>>>> fenders.  
>>>>> And the hanging style would need a bar since my Betty is a step through.  
>>>>> This isn't for my car.  I don't like to drive.  Thanks in advance.
>>>>
>>>>

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[RBW] Re: Bike rack suggestions

[John Bokman]

Thanks for the recommendation Paul. I'm wondering if the front arm can be 
rotated forward a bit? My fenders are longer in front than the ones shone 
on the Ebike.

John
On Saturday, February 25, 2023 at 6:44:35 AM UTC-8 Paul Clifton wrote:

> I've stayed out of this thread because the Yakima roof rack I use has 
> already been mentioned (the one that clamps the downtube) and my 
> Rockymounts rack isn't ideal for fenders, but I just went to Rockymounts 
> site and they have a rack specifically for fenders: 
> https://rockymounts.com/
>
> I looks like they have a hitch mount version: 
> https://rockymounts.com/products/highnoon-fc-solo-fits-both-1-25-2.html
> I guess it adds a backstop behind the front wheel, so the arm can grab the 
> front of the front wheel and squeeze it against the backstop. Pretty smart 
> design IMO. 
>
> And it looks like maybe there's a roof rack version launching in a couple 
> days. Here's a screenshot I grabbed:
> [image: Screenshot 2023-02-25 084056.png]
>
> FWIW, I'm really happy with the quality and stability of my Rockymounts 
> rack. It's this roof rack that works with really fat tires: 
> https://rockymounts.com/products/tomahawk.html. I think the price has 
> gone up, but when I was shopping I thought it seemed like the best 
> price/quality option, and it has definitely been great.
>
> I understand why people don't want to clamp the downtubes of their bikes, 
> but as far as functionally holding a bike with fenders, the old Yakima 
> Raptors work really really well if you can find one. Buying used is a 
> reasonable proposition. These things dont wear out: 
> https://www.pinkbike.com/buysell/1915462/
>
> So, just throwing that rockymounts option into the mix :)
>
> Paul in AR
>
> On Sunday, February 19, 2023 at 11:24:08 PM UTC-6 Pam Bikes wrote:
>
>> Looking for recommendations for a bike rack for a Prius for my fendered 
>> Betty.  Lots of tray mount racks seem to not be made for fenders.  And the 
>> hanging style would need a bar since my Betty is a step through.  This 
>> isn't for my car.  I don't like to drive.  Thanks in advance.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Bike rack suggestions

[John Bokman]

What about ease of installation? Are these 1UPS user-friendly in that 
regard? I am interested in the 1UP for all the reasons already mentioned, 
but also, because sometimes I'd have one bike, and sometimes I'd have to 
carry my wife's bike, and 2 kids' bikes, also. Nice to have the option of 
the add-ons (although getting ridiculously expensive). I think I'm finally 
done with putting my bike up on top of the car. Sadly, I'm not as strong 
and nimble as I was in my 20s, and my Rivendell is HEAVY (and I have a Sam).

On Wednesday, February 22, 2023 at 7:26:20 AM UTC-8 bmfo...@gmail.com wrote:

> Also adding my vote/appreciation for the 1up. It is the best rack I have 
> used, although 90% of time I use it I am carrying multiple mountain bikes 
> so the fender is not an issue. The fact it contains 0 plastic was a big 
> selling point for me. 
>
> What I've done w/ fendered bikes is:
>
> 1. Push front wheel arm against the tire
> 2. Lightly push rear wheel arm against the rear fender
> 3. Put a strap around the rear rim and rack tray at the 6o'clock position. 
> This is similar to how the thule T2 rack and some others operate. The front 
> arm keeps the bike from falling over laterally or moving forward, and the 
> strap keeps the rear wheel from bouncing up or the bike from moving 
> backwards.
>
> Another approach i've mocked up but not actually tried is moving the 
> horizontal 'pin' in the rear wheel arm down so that it contacts the tire 
> below the rear fender. This would provide secure resistance against forward 
> and back motion, but would still require the extra strap to keep the rear 
> wheel from bouncing up.
>
> I had an older thule T2 for awhile. It did work well w/ fendered bikes but 
> overall it was not as user friendly or well-built as the 1up imo.
>
> -Brian
>
> On Tuesday, February 21, 2023 at 10:43:05 PM UTC-6 jacob...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> You don’t have to go that hard. I just get super paranoid. I know the 
>> bike can’t go anywhere but you never know…. 
>>
>> I personally think the Thule rack is easier to use but the 1Up is much 
>> lighter. It installs in about a minute. 
>>
>> That 1Up fender attachment looks interesting. My mountain bike just got 
>> fendered but I haven’t mounted it in the rack yet. I don’t know that I 
>> would trust not being able to crush that tire (paranoia). 
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Feb 21, 2023, at 10:33 PM, DamonLee  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> I thought the same thing Leah, it looks soft but not grippy therefore 
>> requiring downwards force to hold it. The swagman looks good as it doesn't 
>> rely on clamping the tops of the wheels in any capacity.
>> The deformation on the tires in jacobs photo makes me think I'd never 
>> want to put that kind of pressure on a fender.
>>
>> Damon
>> On Wednesday, February 22, 2023 at 6:51:28 AM UTC+11 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>> Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> I am following this thread with interest. I have the Saris Freedom 4 
>>> bike rack, but that company seems to be lessening their quality and maybe 
>>> even phasing out this rack. They have a new modular system they seem to 
>>> want you to buy, and it isn’t going to play nice with mixtes with fenders. 
>>>
>>> Now, I have heard so much good about the 1Up rack, but honestly HOW is 
>>> that fender cushion gonna work? Won’t it just mash my metal fenders? Push 
>>> them out of shape? Mess up the alignment? Maybe someone with a fendered 
>>> mixte wouldn’t mind posting it on their 1Up rack? 
>>> Leah
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, February 21, 2023 at 8:44:49 AM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Toshi,

 Occasionally, you can find the Yakima roof rack with Raptor bars with a 
 claw on Craigslist:

 https://seattle.craigslist.org/est/bop/d/bellevue-yakima-lockjaw-upright-roof/7587045203.html

 I have the Yakima Raptor roof rack with two trays. I recently modified 
 two trays into one for my 80" Clem Smith Jr. "L" bike. One day, I will not 
 be able to lift my bike over my head onto the tray. For now, it works. 

 Kim Hetzel
 Yelm, WA. 


 On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 9:15:11 AM UTC-8 ttoshi wrote:

> Hi Jacob—it looks like the rear wheel bar on the 1up would crunch on 
> my full coverage rear fender. What do you think?
>
> I use a Yakima roof rack with Raptor bars with a claw for my wife’s 
> Betty, but those racks don’t seem to be sold anymore.
>
> Another alternative is a trunk rack with a top tube adapter for step 
> throughs/mixtes.
>
> I bought a bar but have never needed to use it yet. Has anyone had any 
> luck with those?
>
> Toshi in Oakland 
>
> On Mon, Feb 20, 2023 at 4:30 AM Jacob Byard  
> wrote:
>
>> I’ve got a 1up and a Thule t2. The Thule would not work with fenders. 
>> My 1pu is the single bike option and does a great job. Here’s a pic with 
>> an 
>> xl Gus. Road solid for about 50 miles of interstate and 

Re: [RBW] Re: any bike photos of bikes with the Dia compe 980's?

[John Bokman]

King of Mercia?

Tubing specs by chance? 753? 853?

Looks like standard diameter tubing?




On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 5:47:40 PM UTC-8 RichS wrote:

> Thank you John, I appreciate it!
> -Rich 
>
> On Sun, Feb 12, 2023 at 8:39 PM, John Bokman  wrote:
>
>> Gorgeous Mercian, Rich!
>>
>> On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 9:57:41 AM UTC-8 RichS wrote:
>>
>>> My Mercian with the 980s.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Rich in ATL
>>>
>>> On Saturday, February 11, 2023 at 6:54:32 PM UTC-5 JohnS wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hello Mike with the Bob Jackson. Nice looking bike. What front cable 
>>>> hanger is that? I never seen one like it before.
>>>> On Saturday, February 11, 2023 at 12:23:01 PM UTC-5 
>>>> alexander...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Got some for the Miyata Triple cross I built as a 2 speed a little 
>>>>> while back - I've loved them so far. Easy set up and good performance.
>>>>> [image: PXL_20221020_032052542.jpg]
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 9:33:34 AM UTC-6 jad...@gmail.com 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> thinking of replacing my Tektro Oryx's (because the sux) with some 
>>>>>> 980's. Like to see how they look in the real world..
>>>>>
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[RBW] Re: any bike photos of bikes with the Dia compe 980's?

[John Bokman]

Gorgeous Mercian, Rich!

On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 9:57:41 AM UTC-8 RichS wrote:

> My Mercian with the 980s.
>
> Best,
> Rich in ATL
>
> On Saturday, February 11, 2023 at 6:54:32 PM UTC-5 JohnS wrote:
>
>>
>> Hello Mike with the Bob Jackson. Nice looking bike. What front cable 
>> hanger is that? I never seen one like it before.
>> On Saturday, February 11, 2023 at 12:23:01 PM UTC-5 
>> alexander...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Got some for the Miyata Triple cross I built as a 2 speed a little while 
>>> back - I've loved them so far. Easy set up and good performance.
>>> [image: PXL_20221020_032052542.jpg]
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 9:33:34 AM UTC-6 jad...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 thinking of replacing my Tektro Oryx's (because the sux) with some 
 980's. Like to see how they look in the real world..
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Shimano Altus low range question

[john Bokman]

Thanks for the info Doug! This sounds exactly how I’d want to use my potential 
setup, and why I want to revert to 3X-land.

> On Nov 1, 2022, at 8:40 PM, dougP  wrote:
> 
> Just another confirmation that the large pulley Altus that Rivendell carries 
> will handle an 11-36 9 speed. I have this on my Atlantis. Shimano always 
> seems to be conservative in their ratings. It's on a triple with a 34 middle 
> & I use the entire cassette on that ring. 44 outer is only used up to maybe 
> the 3rd cog from the big, and the 24 inner out to maybe the 4th cog from the 
> inner.
> 
> dougP
> 
> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 4:52:38 PM UTC-7 krhe...@gmail.com 
> <http://gmail.com/> wrote:
> I found this picture from a Rivendell customer's bike in Rivendell's blog ?  
> Needless to say, I was quite amazed to see the capacity and potential at the 
> same time. This could very well branch out into lengthy conversations between 
> members herein. 
> Enjoy !
> 
> Kim Hetzel
> Yelm, WA.
> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 4:39:42 PM UTC-7 John Bokman wrote:
> Thanks everyone for your comments.
> 
> Doug I didn’t know that there were different versions of the Altus?  I think 
> I have the large pulley. 
> 
> 
>> On Nov 1, 2022, at 4:27 PM, Doug H. > wrote:
>> 
> 
>> I have the newer, smaller pulley version of the Altus on my Clem and just 
>> installed a 7 speed 11-36 cassette and it works fine. My 9 speed topped out 
>> at 34 that I had on there stock.
>> Doug
>> 
>> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 7:24:30 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>> If we are talking about the cool looking big pulley Altus RD then I do 
>> indeed have that rigged up on my Clem L with an 11-36 9 speed rear. No 
>> roadlink used and no problems. Just works as-is. Not sure if it matters but 
>> I am 1x with this setup so no triple up front but it does shift a 9 up to 36.
>> 
>> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 6:10:03 PM UTC-4 Mackenzy Albright wrote:
>> I switched wheelsets and forgot to switch out my 11-42 cassette and 
>> accidentally friction shifted my altus to 38-42 and it didn't explode. I 
>> think it has much more range than spec'd. I otherwise use 38/24 double with 
>> a 11-36 cassette normally. 
>> 
>> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 2:01:39 PM UTC-7 John Bokman wrote:
>> Thanks for the real world recommendation Dave!
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 1, 2022, at 1:59 PM, DavidP > wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>>> In my experience you can usually expect to go a bit above stated max cog. 
>>> While the RD-M310 is rated to 34t, I would give it a go with a 36t.
>>> I have a bike with a Deore M531 (rated to 34t) shifting a 9 speed 40t.
>>> That said hangers can vary and if you find it's not quite there then a 
>>> short hanger extension (road link or similar) will get you there.
>>> 
>>> -Dave
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 4:34:41 PM UTC-4 J Imler wrote:
>>> I don't think you'll have any problem, especially if you use a Wolftooth 
>>> Roadlink <https://www.wolftoothcomponents.com/products/roadlink>. May not 
>>> even be necessary though. I think I got a 42t low gear using said setup, 
>>> but that was an 8 speed.
>>> 
>>> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 1:23:29 PM UTC-7 John Bokman wrote:
>>> HI Rivsters.
>>> 
>>> I'm wondering if anyone has successfully shifted a 12-36 shimano 9-speed 
>>> cassette with an Altus RD?
>>> 
>>> I currently have an altus, and like it well enough, but am using a 44x30, 
>>> 11-32 8 speed.
>>> 
>>> The new setup would be a triple up front (48-34-24), and a 12-36. 
>>> 
>>> According to Shimano, the Altus only shifts up to a 34 cog.
>>> 
>>> Just wondering if any of you Rivsters have been able to shift lower than 
>>> that?
>>> 
>>> I can hunt for another derailer if need be, but would much rather not. I 
>>> don't like the looks of the one Riv sells (Shimano Deore 592) because it 
>>> doesn't have the barrel adjuster. I guess  could potentially go to the 
>>> Alvio, or the used market. I actually have a Deore something or other which 
>>> does shift to 36, but it's R Rise, and I have never gotten used to the 
>>> reverse movement. Drives me mad!
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> John
>>> Portland OR
>>> 
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Re: [RBW] Shimano Altus low range question

[john Bokman]

Thanks everyone for your comments.

Doug I didn’t know that there were different versions of the Altus?  I think I 
have the large pulley. 

> On Nov 1, 2022, at 4:27 PM, Doug H.  wrote:
> 
> I have the newer, smaller pulley version of the Altus on my Clem and just 
> installed a 7 speed 11-36 cassette and it works fine. My 9 speed topped out 
> at 34 that I had on there stock.
> Doug
> 
> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 7:24:30 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
> If we are talking about the cool looking big pulley Altus RD then I do indeed 
> have that rigged up on my Clem L with an 11-36 9 speed rear. No roadlink used 
> and no problems. Just works as-is. Not sure if it matters but I am 1x with 
> this setup so no triple up front but it does shift a 9 up to 36.
> 
> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 6:10:03 PM UTC-4 Mackenzy Albright wrote:
> I switched wheelsets and forgot to switch out my 11-42 cassette and 
> accidentally friction shifted my altus to 38-42 and it didn't explode. I 
> think it has much more range than spec'd. I otherwise use 38/24 double with a 
> 11-36 cassette normally. 
> 
> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 2:01:39 PM UTC-7 John Bokman wrote:
> Thanks for the real world recommendation Dave!
> 
> 
>> On Nov 1, 2022, at 1:59 PM, DavidP > wrote:
>> 
> 
>> In my experience you can usually expect to go a bit above stated max cog. 
>> While the RD-M310 is rated to 34t, I would give it a go with a 36t.
>> I have a bike with a Deore M531 (rated to 34t) shifting a 9 speed 40t.
>> That said hangers can vary and if you find it's not quite there then a short 
>> hanger extension (road link or similar) will get you there.
>> 
>> -Dave
>> 
>> 
>> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 4:34:41 PM UTC-4 J Imler wrote:
>> I don't think you'll have any problem, especially if you use a Wolftooth 
>> Roadlink <https://www.wolftoothcomponents.com/products/roadlink>. May not 
>> even be necessary though. I think I got a 42t low gear using said setup, but 
>> that was an 8 speed.
>> 
>> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 1:23:29 PM UTC-7 John Bokman wrote:
>> HI Rivsters.
>> 
>> I'm wondering if anyone has successfully shifted a 12-36 shimano 9-speed 
>> cassette with an Altus RD?
>> 
>> I currently have an altus, and like it well enough, but am using a 44x30, 
>> 11-32 8 speed.
>> 
>> The new setup would be a triple up front (48-34-24), and a 12-36. 
>> 
>> According to Shimano, the Altus only shifts up to a 34 cog.
>> 
>> Just wondering if any of you Rivsters have been able to shift lower than 
>> that?
>> 
>> I can hunt for another derailer if need be, but would much rather not. I 
>> don't like the looks of the one Riv sells (Shimano Deore 592) because it 
>> doesn't have the barrel adjuster. I guess  could potentially go to the 
>> Alvio, or the used market. I actually have a Deore something or other which 
>> does shift to 36, but it's R Rise, and I have never gotten used to the 
>> reverse movement. Drives me mad!
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> John
>> Portland OR
>> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Shimano Altus low range question

[john Bokman]

Thanks for the real world recommendation Dave!

> On Nov 1, 2022, at 1:59 PM, DavidP  wrote:
> 
> In my experience you can usually expect to go a bit above stated max cog. 
> While the RD-M310 is rated to 34t, I would give it a go with a 36t.
> I have a bike with a Deore M531 (rated to 34t) shifting a 9 speed 40t.
> That said hangers can vary and if you find it's not quite there then a short 
> hanger extension (road link or similar) will get you there.
> 
> -Dave
> 
> 
> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 4:34:41 PM UTC-4 J Imler wrote:
> I don't think you'll have any problem, especially if you use a Wolftooth 
> Roadlink <https://www.wolftoothcomponents.com/products/roadlink>. May not 
> even be necessary though. I think I got a 42t low gear using said setup, but 
> that was an 8 speed.
> 
> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 1:23:29 PM UTC-7 John Bokman wrote:
> HI Rivsters.
> 
> I'm wondering if anyone has successfully shifted a 12-36 shimano 9-speed 
> cassette with an Altus RD?
> 
> I currently have an altus, and like it well enough, but am using a 44x30, 
> 11-32 8 speed.
> 
> The new setup would be a triple up front (48-34-24), and a 12-36. 
> 
> According to Shimano, the Altus only shifts up to a 34 cog.
> 
> Just wondering if any of you Rivsters have been able to shift lower than that?
> 
> I can hunt for another derailer if need be, but would much rather not. I 
> don't like the looks of the one Riv sells (Shimano Deore 592) because it 
> doesn't have the barrel adjuster. I guess  could potentially go to the Alvio, 
> or the used market. I actually have a Deore something or other which does 
> shift to 36, but it's R Rise, and I have never gotten used to the reverse 
> movement. Drives me mad!
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> John
> Portland OR
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Re: [RBW] Re: Shimano Altus low range question

[john Bokman]

Interesting…thanks for the link! I wonder how Shimano determines what one of 
their detailers is capable of shifting? In other words, if they believe a 
derailer (lets say its an Altus, for example) is good for up to a 36 low cog, 
maybe they say it’s only good for up to a 34 tooth low cog, to give themselves 
some “wiggle room”? I’ve heard for years that many different derailers can, 
potentially, shift lower than their stated limitations.



> On Nov 1, 2022, at 1:34 PM, J Imler  wrote:
> 
> I don't think you'll have any problem, especially if you use a Wolftooth 
> Roadlink <https://www.wolftoothcomponents.com/products/roadlink>. May not 
> even be necessary though. I think I got a 42t low gear using said setup, but 
> that was an 8 speed.
> 
> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 1:23:29 PM UTC-7 John Bokman wrote:
> HI Rivsters.
> 
> I'm wondering if anyone has successfully shifted a 12-36 shimano 9-speed 
> cassette with an Altus RD?
> 
> I currently have an altus, and like it well enough, but am using a 44x30, 
> 11-32 8 speed.
> 
> The new setup would be a triple up front (48-34-24), and a 12-36. 
> 
> According to Shimano, the Altus only shifts up to a 34 cog.
> 
> Just wondering if any of you Rivsters have been able to shift lower than that?
> 
> I can hunt for another derailer if need be, but would much rather not. I 
> don't like the looks of the one Riv sells (Shimano Deore 592) because it 
> doesn't have the barrel adjuster. I guess  could potentially go to the Alvio, 
> or the used market. I actually have a Deore something or other which does 
> shift to 36, but it's R Rise, and I have never gotten used to the reverse 
> movement. Drives me mad!
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> John
> Portland OR
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[RBW] Shimano Altus low range question

[John Bokman]

HI Rivsters.

I'm wondering if anyone has successfully shifted a 12-36 shimano 9-speed 
cassette with an Altus RD?

I currently have an altus, and like it well enough, but am using a 44x30, 
11-32 8 speed.

The new setup would be a triple up front (48-34-24), and a 12-36. 

According to Shimano, the Altus only shifts up to a 34 cog.

Just wondering if any of you Rivsters have been able to shift lower than 
that?

I can hunt for another derailer if need be, but would much rather not. I 
don't like the looks of the one Riv sells (Shimano Deore 592) because it 
doesn't have the barrel adjuster. I guess  could potentially go to the 
Alvio, or the used market. I actually have a Deore something or other which 
does shift to 36, but it's R Rise, and I have never gotten used to the 
reverse movement. Drives me mad!

Thanks,

John
Portland OR

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[RBW] Re: Saddle Cover Issue w/Saddlebag

[John Bokman]

Free is a good price. However, Randi Jo for the win! I have used her covers 
for years here in the PNW on different types of saddles. She makes 
different covers for different saddle shapes. I leave mine all year round. 
They last a very long time. Well worth the money.

John
Portland

On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 10:52:16 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Hi Joyce, 
>
> I have this cover made my Brooks, it stretches over the back of the saddle 
> and covers the bag loops. This pic shows it on a B17 but there's an 
> adjuster thingy at the back (not the velcro strap, that's for rolling it 
> up) and it fits kinda loose on my saddle, it should work on an SA. You 
> wanna try it? Send me a shipping address and you can have it for the low 
> low price of FREE! I inexplicably have two of these and hardly ever use 
> even of them so it's all yours. 
>
> Joe Bernard
> joeremi62 gmail com
> text 415 786 4623 <(415)%20786-4623>
>
> On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 9:25:59 AM UTC-7 JAS wrote:
>
>> I love the look and utility of a saddlebag, thus I've tried a Sackville 
>> Bagboy and Swift Zeitgeist on Platy and Clem obtained from folks on this 
>> list.  Here's the issue:  I have Selle Anatomica leather saddles, the rainy 
>> times are coming to the Pacific Northwest and the saddle cover won't fit 
>> properly with the bags attached.  What's a girl to do?   
>>
>> How do you protect your leather saddle when riding in the rain when 
>> you've got a saddle bag attached to the loops on the saddle?  Do you use a 
>> cover when riding or only when you're off the bike?  I'm not using a Brooks 
>> saddle...do the loops get in the way of the cover or is the Selle Anatomica 
>> design the problem?  I'm probably making a bigger deal out of this than 
>> necessary, but I don't want to wreck my saddle.  Must I remove the 
>> saddlebags and use a trunk bag and/or pannier for winter riding?  Is there 
>> a better solution?  I will look forward to your ideas.
>>
>> Joyce
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Front low rider rack for Sam Hillborne

[John Bokman]

My wife has the Front rack on her daily driver (Surly LHT). I got it for 
her because I couldn't find a better alternative for supporting her large 
Wald basket at the time. It is indeed very heavy (2# or so) but so, so 
stout, with multiple attachment points, and hardware for life. I would have 
felt comfortable riding my kids on the front, when they were little. It's 
that strong and well-braced.
Like Scott, I am curious about the Tubus Grand Ex. I would try it if my 
current setup were not so appropriate for my needs. I am a huge fan of 
Tubus. Maybe not the most elegant of racks, but strong! And no heavier than 
need be, with functional design. Good value for money.

John in Portland, OR
On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 3:12:45 PM UTC-7 David Pulsipher wrote:

> I don't have a Sam - but I do have two Surly front racks and love their 
> ruggedness and function. Perfect for lowrider, and also mounting a basket.
>
> On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 3:45:12 PM UTC-6 John Bokman wrote:
>
>> I've been super pleased with the Tubus Tara setup on my Sam (converted to 
>> cantilevers). I know you want to use the existing bosses for your rack set 
>> up; I did too. But in practice, the fork clamps for the Tara are excellent 
>> - like everything else they do. They haven't budged in the 7 or so years 
>> I've had them installed - and this is an everyday ride.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 11:58:12 AM UTC-7 Scott wrote:
>>
>>> Bob:
>>>
>>> Have you tried the Tubus Grand Expedition front rack? It's not a tiny 
>>> rack. I've been running it for dirt touring/bikepacking and am very pleased 
>>> with it (as well as the rear counterpart).
>>>
>>> Good luck in your search.
>>>
>>> Scott
>>>
>>> On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 04:15:44 PM MDT, BobW  
>>> wrote: 
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for the input.  Ideally, I'm looking for a rack where the 
>>> attachment point align with the standard Riv braze on point at the dropout 
>>> and mid-fork.  It appears that the Nitto Mark's MF2 rack that Rive carries 
>>> works, but is kind of pricey @ $221 (
>>> https://www.rivbike.com/products/nitto-marks-hub-area-rack-with-hoop-mf2-20236?_pos=6&_sid=f551ef3e9&_ss=r
>>> )
>>> So looking for less expensive alternatives to this.  Thanks!!
>>>
>>> On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 10:36:29 AM UTC-4 brianmark...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Not that it's entirely helpful, but when I had a buddy add canti posts 
>>> to my Sam for a 650b conversion, I also had him add lowrider bosses for a 
>>> Tubus Tara. 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 9:13:45 AM UTC-4 captaincon...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Here's how I did it:
>>>
>>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/bQ6G2tBKHaWeErrr8
>>>
>>> I never really used it, but I don't like racks and prefer large front 
>>> handlebar bags.
>>>
>>> On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 4:55:28 PM UTC-5 BobW wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm considering taking my Sam on some bike tours so looking into from 
>>> lowrider rack for front panniers.  I already have a rear Tubus rack, so 
>>> would be wanting to utilize the low riders for additional panniers.  
>>> Looking for suggestions for proven solutions that fit the same well.   BTW, 
>>> my Sam is a non-canti model - sidepull calipers.
>>>
>>> Thanks!!
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[RBW] Re: Production year of my Sam Hillborne?

[John Bokman]

I had a 2009 that looked the same (Orange headtube color).

On Tuesday, April 12, 2022 at 4:27:36 PM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks, all. 
>
> And let's hear it for Bill Lindsey everyone, Bill Lindsey. Thanks for 
> coming out to the Chuckle Hut this evening, have a safe drive home and 
> don't forget to tip your servers! We'll be back next Tuesday night. 
>
> On Tuesday, April 12, 2022 at 5:42:00 PM UTC-4 aeroperf wrote:
>
>> Yes, that should be the production year.
>> My Sam Hillborne tag says “Serial M14052003 date 4/8/15”.  The frame was 
>> produced in 2014, and I purchased it in April 2015.
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Saluki, first ride

[John Bokman]

Sweet looking ride you got there. Congratulations.

On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 12:25:31 PM UTC-7 Joel S wrote:

> [image: 94A4BDD3-7098-4E68-A063-89DFAD04AC39.jpeg]Today the weather was 
> perfect, I had to stop to take off my windbreaker and I probably could have 
> worn shorts.  So the bike is very smooth, I don’t remember how my too big 
> 56cm rode anymore but this 54 is pretty much perfect.  Outfitted with 
> everything from my 55cm Bleriot except the brakes.  I was quite surprised 
> by the ride as if memory serves it felt different than the Bleriot.  Very 
> stable (more surefooted than the Bleriot), no surprises in handling.  The 
> one difference is that when I put the seat on this (which was always 
> attached to the seatpost from the Bleriot the setback is a bit more).  I 
> always ride with my seat set levels as this just works for me.I really have 
> no idea why it felt so good but it had me questioning the Hillborne which 
> always felt more sure footed than the Bleriot, but I will ride that after 
> awhile on this one and see. After riding the Hillborne on rollers all 
> winter the muscles that were not used are letting themselves be known.  I 
> am very pleased that I bought this frame, just lovely in every way. 
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Flat Pedal Users: Favorite size/shape?

[John Bokman]

Yeah, they are pricey. Much more than a little marine grease, which is what 
I used to slather on the spindles of my VP Vice today. Turns out, when I 
look at all the pedals out there, mine are hard to beat, considering they 
are every day "just ride" pedals. About 100x100 square, not too heavy, 
plenty grippy, nice and thin, spin well enough (although admittedly not 
smooth), and inexpensive. I think I paid $45 for them many years ago. I 
can't really complain; they have been a good value, all considered.

(Thanks to Garth for reminding me to just throw some grease in them again.)



On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 11:55:53 AM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:

> Man those are pricey but I love that they are about the same weight as 
> composite pedals, they look great and are made in America. I am going to 
> give those a shot sometime soon.
>
> On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 2:32:38 PM UTC-4 cycli...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Review of the Yoshimura Chilao pedals on The Radavist.
>>
>>
>> https://theradavist.com/2021/10/i-cant-get-enough-of-these-yoshimura-chilao-mtb-pedals/
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 7:34:48 PM UTC-7 John Bokman wrote:
>>
>>> Indeed, those look excellent. Definitely worth a hard look. 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 6:00:52 PM UTC-7 Michael Morrissey wrote:
>>>
>>>> Does the Pedaling Innovations rebuild kit work for VP Vice pedals? It 
>>>> looks like the axle and bearings are the same.
>>>>
>>>> Anyone know?
>>>>
>>>> Also a nice choice for a high-end pedal are these bad boys, made in the 
>>>> USA:
>>>> https://yoshimuracycling.com/products/chilao-performance-bicycle-pedal
>>>>
>>>> Michael
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 7:08:29 PM UTC-4 Joe in the Pay Area 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Black Ops Torqlite UL platform pedals, now almost impossible to find.  
>>>>> And why does my reply have just a half line of height? Can baely see what 
>>>>> I 
>>>>> type!
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 9:38:42 AM UTC-7 George Rosselle wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I have the Spank Oozy pedals on my Chameleon and like them a lot, 
>>>>>> metal, low profile, and availabe bushings that are easy to replace. Too 
>>>>>> bad 
>>>>>> you don't like composites, I also have Race Face Chesters on a couple 
>>>>>> bikes 
>>>>>> and find them to be just as good and much less expensive.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 12:24:19 PM UTC-4 Paul Choi wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I like the Blue Lug MKS XC-III pedals. Not too big and they hold my 
>>>>>>> 8.5 shoes well. They look like the bear trap pedals that I had on my 
>>>>>>> Redline BMX bike back in the early 80's. I got mine from Hope Cyclery. 
>>>>>>> They 
>>>>>>> have them in six colors. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 8:39:05 AM UTC-7 John Bokman wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks for all the good suggestions, everyone. I'm Narrowing down 
>>>>>>>> the parameters, I think. So far, what I think I want:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 1. Metal pedal body, not composite.
>>>>>>>> 2. Rebuildable pedal (can rebuild parts be had?).
>>>>>>>> 3. At least as long as the Vice (106mm, I think).
>>>>>>>> 4. At least 100mm wide.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Does anyone have experience with the Xpedo Spry? it looks to tick 
>>>>>>>> some boxes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://xpedo.com/product/pedals/flats/spry/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 8:18:37 AM UTC-7 John Bokman wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes, I did grease theses once already.  Grease is inexpensive, so 
>>>>>>>>> of course, I could regrease them.  As for the Catalyst,  I don't want 
>>>>>>>>> to go 
>>>>>>>>> there for a few reasons:
>>>>>>>>> 1. I already experience toe overlap (fenders on my 700c Sam) at 
>>>>>>>&g

[RBW] Re: Flat Pedal Users: Favorite size/shape?

[John Bokman]

Indeed, those look excellent. Definitely worth a hard look. 

On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 6:00:52 PM UTC-7 Michael Morrissey wrote:

> Does the Pedaling Innovations rebuild kit work for VP Vice pedals? It 
> looks like the axle and bearings are the same.
>
> Anyone know?
>
> Also a nice choice for a high-end pedal are these bad boys, made in the 
> USA:
> https://yoshimuracycling.com/products/chilao-performance-bicycle-pedal
>
> Michael
>
> On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 7:08:29 PM UTC-4 Joe in the Pay Area wrote:
>
>> Black Ops Torqlite UL platform pedals, now almost impossible to find.  
>> And why does my reply have just a half line of height? Can baely see what I 
>> type!
>>
>> On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 9:38:42 AM UTC-7 George Rosselle wrote:
>>
>>> I have the Spank Oozy pedals on my Chameleon and like them a lot, metal, 
>>> low profile, and availabe bushings that are easy to replace. Too bad you 
>>> don't like composites, I also have Race Face Chesters on a couple bikes and 
>>> find them to be just as good and much less expensive.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 12:24:19 PM UTC-4 Paul Choi wrote:
>>>
>>>> I like the Blue Lug MKS XC-III pedals. Not too big and they hold my 8.5 
>>>> shoes well. They look like the bear trap pedals that I had on my Redline 
>>>> BMX bike back in the early 80's. I got mine from Hope Cyclery. They have 
>>>> them in six colors. 
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 8:39:05 AM UTC-7 John Bokman wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for all the good suggestions, everyone. I'm Narrowing down the 
>>>>> parameters, I think. So far, what I think I want:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. Metal pedal body, not composite.
>>>>> 2. Rebuildable pedal (can rebuild parts be had?).
>>>>> 3. At least as long as the Vice (106mm, I think).
>>>>> 4. At least 100mm wide.
>>>>>
>>>>> Does anyone have experience with the Xpedo Spry? it looks to tick some 
>>>>> boxes.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://xpedo.com/product/pedals/flats/spry/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 8:18:37 AM UTC-7 John Bokman wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, I did grease theses once already.  Grease is inexpensive, so of 
>>>>>> course, I could regrease them.  As for the Catalyst,  I don't want to go 
>>>>>> there for a few reasons:
>>>>>> 1. I already experience toe overlap (fenders on my 700c Sam) at 
>>>>>> times, and the length of the pedal is way longer than the Vice.
>>>>>> 2. I don't like riding with my foot so far forward of the axle. In 
>>>>>> other words, I'm not an arch-pedaler, which is what the Catalyst calls 
>>>>>> for, 
>>>>>> unless I'm mistaken.
>>>>>> 3. I'm not convinced I need something that long. Again, how long is 
>>>>>> long enough?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 1:17:51 AM UTC-7 Garth wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Do you add grease to your Vice pedals John ?  I always add grease to 
>>>>>>> any pedal, open them up, slather some grease on the axle and slide the 
>>>>>>> body 
>>>>>>> back on the excess oozes out the axle side. I have 2 pairs of Vice and 
>>>>>>> they've been flawless. Before these I did this with Wellgo MG-1's.  
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I wear size 14 shoes and the Vice size and shape works great with 
>>>>>>> the shoes I wear. I pedal near midfoot, not totally. A longer platform 
>>>>>>> would not necessarily be any better. That's what always struck me about 
>>>>>>> Pedal Innovations. I already pedalled mid foot, my feet were already 
>>>>>>> "supported"...(as if any other pedal doesn't offer support !).  What 
>>>>>>> they 
>>>>>>> neglect in their "science", is using *short cranks along with a 
>>>>>>> midfoot stroke*. With 185mm cranks it didn't work for me, too much 
>>>>>>> of a reach despite a lowered saddle, awkward.  With 170 . a little 
>>>>>>> better but still ... nope. Then I tried 152/150's.. ahhh .. 
>>>>>>> swet spot of both midoot power and pedal speed.  As the French say 
>>>

[RBW] Re: Flat Pedal Users: Favorite size/shape?

[John Bokman]

Thanks for all the good suggestions, everyone. I'm Narrowing down the 
parameters, I think. So far, what I think I want:

1. Metal pedal body, not composite.
2. Rebuildable pedal (can rebuild parts be had?).
3. At least as long as the Vice (106mm, I think).
4. At least 100mm wide.

Does anyone have experience with the Xpedo Spry? it looks to tick some 
boxes.

https://xpedo.com/product/pedals/flats/spry/


On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 8:18:37 AM UTC-7 John Bokman wrote:

> Yes, I did grease theses once already.  Grease is inexpensive, so of 
> course, I could regrease them.  As for the Catalyst,  I don't want to go 
> there for a few reasons:
> 1. I already experience toe overlap (fenders on my 700c Sam) at times, and 
> the length of the pedal is way longer than the Vice.
> 2. I don't like riding with my foot so far forward of the axle. In other 
> words, I'm not an arch-pedaler, which is what the Catalyst calls for, 
> unless I'm mistaken.
> 3. I'm not convinced I need something that long. Again, how long is long 
> enough?
>
> On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 1:17:51 AM UTC-7 Garth wrote:
>
>> Do you add grease to your Vice pedals John ?  I always add grease to any 
>> pedal, open them up, slather some grease on the axle and slide the body 
>> back on the excess oozes out the axle side. I have 2 pairs of Vice and 
>> they've been flawless. Before these I did this with Wellgo MG-1's.  
>>
>> I wear size 14 shoes and the Vice size and shape works great with the 
>> shoes I wear. I pedal near midfoot, not totally. A longer platform would 
>> not necessarily be any better. That's what always struck me about Pedal 
>> Innovations. I already pedalled mid foot, my feet were already 
>> "supported"...(as if any other pedal doesn't offer support !).  What they 
>> neglect in their "science", is using *short cranks along with a midfoot 
>> stroke*. With 185mm cranks it didn't work for me, too much of a reach 
>> despite a lowered saddle, awkward.  With 170 . a little better but 
>> still ... nope. Then I tried 152/150's.. ahhh .. swet spot of 
>> both midoot power and pedal speed.  As the French say back in the day  
>> soo-play ... soo-play ! 
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 9:24:43 PM UTC-4 John Bokman wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all.
>>> I've been riding VP Vice pedals for a few years now. It took a long 
>>> while (aprx. a year) to get used to riding flats, coming from Speedplay 
>>> Frogs. Finally, it took, and I'm happy on the flats for my commuter (Sam 
>>> Hill).
>>>
>>> However, the Vice have developed play, rattle a bit, and generally feel 
>>> gritty, and I have been experimenting with different ideas. I've recently 
>>> used the old MKS Touring pedals, and RMX sneaker pedals. These are okay, 
>>> but what I've discovered is that for my riding,  flats without connection 
>>> (no clips/straps, powergrips) feel better underfoot with a fairly large 
>>> platform, and low stack height,  like the Vice. And yet I know many of you 
>>> enjoy the Riv-approved MKS Gamma, lambda, and Allways models. All of these 
>>> appear to be taller, and all are narrower than the vice. And yet...I 
>>> wonder: how big is big enough? I'm not racing downhill, fully padded and 
>>> helmeted, on a double boinger, like my neice. I just ride my bike here and 
>>> there, long distances, when time allows.
>>>
>>> I always want to support Riv when possible. But I am looking at many 
>>> other pedals that Riv does not sell. What are some of your favorites, and 
>>> why? For what use? If you use the aforementioned MKS pedals, what is your 
>>> opinion of them? Do you like the size/shape? I'm wondering if the length of 
>>> the pedal is more important than the width. The Gamma, Lambda, and Allways, 
>>> for instance, are all longer than the Vice, while being slimmer. 
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>> John
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Flat Pedal Users: Favorite size/shape?

[John Bokman]

Yes, I did grease theses once already.  Grease is inexpensive, so of 
course, I could regrease them.  As for the Catalyst,  I don't want to go 
there for a few reasons:
1. I already experience toe overlap (fenders on my 700c Sam) at times, and 
the length of the pedal is way longer than the Vice.
2. I don't like riding with my foot so far forward of the axle. In other 
words, I'm not an arch-pedaler, which is what the Catalyst calls for, 
unless I'm mistaken.
3. I'm not convinced I need something that long. Again, how long is long 
enough?

On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 1:17:51 AM UTC-7 Garth wrote:

> Do you add grease to your Vice pedals John ?  I always add grease to any 
> pedal, open them up, slather some grease on the axle and slide the body 
> back on the excess oozes out the axle side. I have 2 pairs of Vice and 
> they've been flawless. Before these I did this with Wellgo MG-1's.  
>
> I wear size 14 shoes and the Vice size and shape works great with the 
> shoes I wear. I pedal near midfoot, not totally. A longer platform would 
> not necessarily be any better. That's what always struck me about Pedal 
> Innovations. I already pedalled mid foot, my feet were already 
> "supported"...(as if any other pedal doesn't offer support !).  What they 
> neglect in their "science", is using *short cranks along with a midfoot 
> stroke*. With 185mm cranks it didn't work for me, too much of a reach 
> despite a lowered saddle, awkward.  With 170 . a little better but 
> still ... nope. Then I tried 152/150's.. ahhh .. swet spot of 
> both midoot power and pedal speed.  As the French say back in the day  
> soo-play ... soo-play ! 
>
> On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 9:24:43 PM UTC-4 John Bokman wrote:
>
>> Hi all.
>> I've been riding VP Vice pedals for a few years now. It took a long while 
>> (aprx. a year) to get used to riding flats, coming from Speedplay Frogs. 
>> Finally, it took, and I'm happy on the flats for my commuter (Sam Hill).
>>
>> However, the Vice have developed play, rattle a bit, and generally feel 
>> gritty, and I have been experimenting with different ideas. I've recently 
>> used the old MKS Touring pedals, and RMX sneaker pedals. These are okay, 
>> but what I've discovered is that for my riding,  flats without connection 
>> (no clips/straps, powergrips) feel better underfoot with a fairly large 
>> platform, and low stack height,  like the Vice. And yet I know many of you 
>> enjoy the Riv-approved MKS Gamma, lambda, and Allways models. All of these 
>> appear to be taller, and all are narrower than the vice. And yet...I 
>> wonder: how big is big enough? I'm not racing downhill, fully padded and 
>> helmeted, on a double boinger, like my neice. I just ride my bike here and 
>> there, long distances, when time allows.
>>
>> I always want to support Riv when possible. But I am looking at many 
>> other pedals that Riv does not sell. What are some of your favorites, and 
>> why? For what use? If you use the aforementioned MKS pedals, what is your 
>> opinion of them? Do you like the size/shape? I'm wondering if the length of 
>> the pedal is more important than the width. The Gamma, Lambda, and Allways, 
>> for instance, are all longer than the Vice, while being slimmer. 
>>
>> Thanks.
>> John
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Flat Pedal Users: Favorite size/shape?

[John Bokman]

Hi all.
I've been riding VP Vice pedals for a few years now. It took a long while 
(aprx. a year) to get used to riding flats, coming from Speedplay Frogs. 
Finally, it took, and I'm happy on the flats for my commuter (Sam Hill).

However, the Vice have developed play, rattle a bit, and generally feel 
gritty, and I have been experimenting with different ideas. I've recently 
used the old MKS Touring pedals, and RMX sneaker pedals. These are okay, 
but what I've discovered is that for my riding,  flats without connection 
(no clips/straps, powergrips) feel better underfoot with a fairly large 
platform, and low stack height,  like the Vice. And yet I know many of you 
enjoy the Riv-approved MKS Gamma, lambda, and Allways models. All of these 
appear to be taller, and all are narrower than the vice. And yet...I 
wonder: how big is big enough? I'm not racing downhill, fully padded and 
helmeted, on a double boinger, like my neice. I just ride my bike here and 
there, long distances, when time allows.

I always want to support Riv when possible. But I am looking at many other 
pedals that Riv does not sell. What are some of your favorites, and why? 
For what use? If you use the aforementioned MKS pedals, what is your 
opinion of them? Do you like the size/shape? I'm wondering if the length of 
the pedal is more important than the width. The Gamma, Lambda, and Allways, 
for instance, are all longer than the Vice, while being slimmer. 

Thanks.
John


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[RBW] Re: Pigeonholed in Bicycle Philosophy

[John Bokman]

Gorgeous Rich! What are those brakes if I may ask?

John 
Portland OR

On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 7:55:15 AM UTC-8 RichS wrote:

> Andy, that's an enviable and enjoyable album. Johnny is really nice and 
> his tucked away atelier is a steel art and craft happening. Not well 
> documented but here is my thing in its final "happened" state. Riv content: 
> it's what got me pigeonholed here:-)
>
> Best,
> Rich in ATL
>
>
> On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 9:48:44 PM UTC-5 ascpgh wrote:
>
>> An album of the thing happening: 
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/PxJUkK7TtCQSdk2A7
>>
>> Andy Cheatham
>> Pittsburgh
>>
>> On Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 1:00:15 PM UTC-5 J. W. wrote:
>>
>>> Lovely post Andy. You wrote:
>>>
>>> The conclusions that I have found and my riding objectives shaped the 
 bike I had made for me and those objective needs. I took 20 years of 
 almost 
 there, but have it nailed now. 
>>>
>>>
>>> I am new here so I haven't seen it if you've posted it before--can you 
>>> post a picture of this bike? Thanks! Jon in Montreal
>>>
>>

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[RBW] WTB: Old School Riv Boxy Bag and F-15 rack

[John Bokman]

Hi all.
Long story short, I'm searching for what I once had: a Nitto F-15 handlebar 
bag support, and it's accompanying Riv Boxy Bag. ( I actually ran a 
Carradice handlebar bag, not the Riv bag, which wasn't yet in production; 
unfortunately both  were stolen from my garage, many years ago.)  

Thanks all. 

John B.
Portland OR

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[RBW] WTT: MKS/VP pedals for MKS pedals

[John Bokman]

Hi all. I'm looking for MKS Allways pedals for Sam. I have two pedals that 
are surplus to my needs:
1. MKS Sylvan Touring (nearly new)
2. MKS Urban Platform (nearly new, just threaded into crank arms and not 
ridden; I also have XL Deep toe clips and straps if you want 'em)
3. (I also have VP Vice, nearly new, in silver if interested in non-MKS)

If any of you rivsters are looking to unload your Allways pedals, lemme 
know!

John Bokman
Portland, OR

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[RBW] Re: Everglades

[John Bokman]

Great shots Laing!

On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 7:22:59 AM UTC-8 lconley wrote:

> I haven't been riding a whole lot since I moved to south Florida as the 
> roads are kind of crowded with people that don't pay a lot of attention to 
> what they are doing. Most of my riding had been on the El Rio Trail 
> commuting to work. So I did some research. I live in Delray Beach, which is 
> the "thinnest" part of the populated part of south Florida. The beach is 
> four miles due east and the Everglades starts seven miles due west. Three 
> miles north of that is the Arthur R Marshall Loxahatchee National Wildlife 
> Refuge. It turns out that there is a path on top of the dike at the edge of 
> the Everglades. I have a Lifetime Senior Pass for National Parks, etc., so 
> yesterday I decided to to put my Mystery Bike in the back of the Element to 
> go see what I could see.
>
> [image: EGs.jpg]
>
> I guess this qualifies as gravel. No cars other than one park truck, just 
> a few pedestrians, occasional kitted-out bikers on a carbon fiber gravel 
> bikes, a few people on Walmart mountain bikes, the occasional small boat in 
> the canal, and an airplane doing acrobatics over head. Zero elevation 
> change. Not a lot of change in the view, but very quiet when the airplane 
> wasn't around - low stress riding. Didn't see any alligators, but they are 
> out there. I will be back for longer rides (with a water bottle). This 
> trail goes north and south for many miles - I think it is 40+ miles in 
> total.
> The single speed Mystery bike on 29x2 Big Bens is about perfect for this. 
> I do need to transfer some Ergon grips onto it from another bike. The 
> Rustines grips just don't cut it.
>
> [image: EG2s.jpg]
>
> Laing
> Delray Beach FL
>

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[RBW] Re: Shortening Stem Length

[John Bokman]

I originally had a 10 cm Nitto technomic on my Sam. That was definitely too 
long for me. I swapped to a 7cm stem and have been much happier. For what 
it's worth, I ride a 58cm Sam, have long legs relative to my torso, and 
ride with bars below saddle height. Rivs tend to have long top tubes, so 
what you might use on a different frame may not work well on the Riv.  I'd 
try to measure when sitting on the bike, in your riding position (have 
someone else to help do the measurement). What does 2cm (1") shorter feel 
like? 

John Bokman
Portland OR

On Wednesday, February 16, 2022 at 11:53:38 AM UTC-8 Sean B. wrote:

> For awhile I've been riding my 2018 51cm AHH on a 9cm stem with the Nitto 
> Noodles. Last summer I decided over the winter I wanted to shorten the 
> reach a bit. I feel slightly stretched out when riding in the hoods, so I 
> tend to ride on the ramps/tops. Shortening it 1cm is too little. So should 
> I go for a 2cm or 3cm change? It's hard to see without actually riding on 
> them, but my guess is the 2cm change might be the best for me (I realize 
> this is super subjective). Does anyone else have experience with this 
> issue?  
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 55cm Hillborne PRICE DROP

[John Bokman]

Riv has changed their sizing on these (and other) frames over the years. 
This looks to be the first gen Sam because the headtube is solid orange - 
not cream accent. Meaning, the 60cm frame is quite a bit bigger than the 
current 58cm frame. Unless I'm mistaken, it would correlate more closely to 
the now 62cm frame.

I owned a 2009 60cm frame  (solid orange, no cream accent) and found it too 
big (long). In retrospect the 56cm (next size down) would have been 
perfect. I "know" this, because I now ride a 58cm Sam (roughly the "same" 
size of the old 56) that is "perfect".



On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 7:52:04 AM UTC-8 MoVelo wrote:

> Ahmed
>
> Your Hillborne looks great. I am in the market for one but in a larger 
> size. If your's was a 58 I'd be all over it.
>
> I do see there is a 60cm on Ebay with a starting bid of $2200.00. I am a 
> little confused about that size tho as the chart I have shows a 58 and then 
> a 62. I confess I haven't been following the Sams as closely as some on 
> this list have, and so I don't have a good grasp on the heritage. Rivendell 
> does seem to refine the bikes as the years go on. I noticed the current 
> generation as shown on their website has different seat stay connections as 
> yours. 
>
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/165308900740?hash=item267d2da584:g:qd4AAOSwF0Vh9upF
>
> You might follow it to see where the bidding ends up to get an idea of 
> what they bring there. 
>
> Good luck.
>
> JP in Central NE
>
> On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 9:11:32 AM UTC-6 E. Ricky Creek wrote:
>
>> I hope you find a buyer, Ahmed. 
>> I hope folks realize that the Hillborne was sort of the bike that started 
>> the whole modern era of Rivendells, as I don't feel like the Hillborne gets 
>> as much regard as the newer, evolved models. The Bomba came first as a 6 
>> degree upsloping tubed bike, but the Hillborne was the first of the Taiwan 
>> expanded geometry bicycles that have come to exemplify Rivendell (this is 
>> according to my fuzzy memory). It was meant to be a do all, beat it up, 
>> ride it like crazy, never repaint it (I recall grant saying he hoped nobody 
>> would ever repaint one), and pass it down to your children bike. I honestly 
>> think anyone looking for a Riv and fits this 55cm Hillborne couldn't find a 
>> better bicycle. I have had a super secret 56cm double TT Waterford 
>> Hillborne since 2011 and it is a never sell for me. It was my primary 
>> touring bicycle for a number of years, also commuter, shopper, and do all 
>> bicycle. It can use drops or uprights. Folks seem to want a Riv mixte or 
>> droptube, and I have had both and sold them both because I never actually 
>> used the lower tube for stepping "in" to the bicycle, I still throw my leg 
>> over, and with the expanded geometry of the Hillborne, you don't have to 
>> worry about standover anyway.
>> Also, and this is again only my experience, I never got along with the 
>> long wheelbase that the newer Riv's have. I much prefer the ride of my old 
>> style Atlantis, Hillborne, and Simpleone. 
>> I hope this helps anyone on the fence. 
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 11:10:33 PM UTC-6 Ahmed Elgasseir wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Chris!!! 
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 1, 2022 at 7:20 PM Chris Halasz  wrote:
>>>
 Ahmed 

 The Sam is a very nice build and color - just one size too small for 
 me. 

 On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 1:06:31 PM UTC-8 Ahmed Elgasseir wrote:

> PRICE DROP. I got absolutely no response at all so. guess I am 
> too high? OR No one wants a Hillborne these days? Make a reasonable 
> offer. 
>
> Ahmed in San Mateo
>
> On Saturday, January 29, 2022 at 6:22:31 PM UTC-8 Ahmed Elgasseir 
> wrote:
>
>> Let's try this again
>> For Sale my 55cm Hillborne. Purchased in 2019 from Riv. Velocity 
>> Atlas 700c, Silver cranks and MKS pedals, Berthoud saddle, Nitto 
>> seatpost 
>> and Nitto Dirtdrop stem, Crust/Nitto dropbars plus Brooks bartape with 
>> stem 
>> shifter. Nitto front rack with Wald big basket. Only about 1k miles on 
>> it. 
>> Selling to thin the herd and make room for another build. $2900 and 
>> prefer 
>> local only. Would love to sell it here before I put it up on Craigslist. 
>>
>> thanks
>> Ahmed in San Mateo, CA
>>
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>>> Department 

Re: [RBW] Re: Great Blue Homers

[John Bokman]

I love my quills, but one thing I don't love is that mounting tires is 
frustrating! Dyads, no problem.

On Monday, November 29, 2021 at 8:43:50 AM UTC-8 lconley wrote:

> Send ideas! Dyads or A23s? - Neither - Quills are lighter and take a wider 
> tire and are supposed to be stronger than A23s.
>
> Laing
>
>
> On Monday, November 29, 2021 at 11:18:39 AM UTC-5 John G. wrote:
>
>> I ended up deciding to buy a Homer complete. Crashed my wet-weather bike 
>> last Monday and separated my shoulder. Took it as a sign that I need fatter 
>> tires and more stable handling. I have an 90 pbh and I'm going with a 58, 
>> which surprised me, since I would've been a 61.5 last time. Worried it'll 
>> be too small, but I trust Riv. I'm thinking about albastaches or drops, but 
>> I do intend to take this on longer event rides, so I want to be sure the 
>> bars work for that. I have mustaches on my Quickbeam and I love them for 
>> rides up to 40-50 miles.
>>
>> I've never actually bought a complete from Riv, so I'm excited about the 
>> spec'ing process. Send ideas! Dyads or A23s? Albastaches or Noodles? Which 
>> crank? 
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Convert to Tubeless?

[John Bokman]

Thanks for that link Andrew. Very detailed.

-John

On Sunday, March 7, 2021 at 8:13:24 AM UTC-8 Andrew Turner wrote:

> I second Analog tubeless tape. Really great stuff. Here's another tutorial 
> for tubeless if needed: http://www.omtm.cc/tire-talk
>
> On Sunday, March 7, 2021 at 6:29:56 AM UTC-6 spencer robinson wrote:
>
>> What Mike M. Said.  Also, Velocity A23/ gravel king tires are a good 
>> match, I have that combo on my Sam, they jumped on the rims with a floor 
>> pump
>>
>> On Saturday, March 6, 2021 at 5:27:14 PM UTC-5 velomann wrote:
>>
>>> My experience is limited but so far (knock on wood) positive.
>>> Based on that, and understanding others feel differently (sometimes 
>>> strongly) here's my recommendation.
>>>
>>> Don't use Stans tubeless tape. It's too stiff, hard to apply just right, 
>>> and too thick.
>>> Don't use Gorilla tape for the reasons mentioned.
>>> Buy some of the economical and highly effective tubeless tape Analog 
>>> cycles sells. I don't know what it was originally, but the stuff works 
>>> great. Use two layers because.
>>> https://analogcycles.com/product/analog-tubeless-tape/
>>>
>>> I bought a Topek Tubibooster because a compressor was overkill for me, I 
>>> didn't want to have to depend on borrowing one from whoever, and I have a 
>>> friend who has been very successful with multiple tubeless set-ups using 
>>> this: 
>>> https://www.amazon.com/Topeak-TubiBooster-One-Color-Size/dp/B084Z468P6
>>>
>>> That said, I haven't had to use it. I've so far been able to set up 
>>> tubeless with just a regular Joe Blow floor pump. I credit that to using 
>>> good tubeless rims (HED Belgium, Velocity Dually) and good tubeless 
>>> compatible tires (WTB Byway, WTB Trail Boss), the Analog tape, good 
>>> tubeless valves, and liberal soapy water on the beat before pumping 
>>> vigorously. So far has worked like a charm.
>>>
>>> We'll see if my luck continues. This week I'll be setting up some 
>>> Terravail Sparwood tires on WTB KOM i23 light rims. My next wheelset build 
>>> will be Velocity A23 rims with Panaracer Gravelking SK tires. Fingers 
>>> crossed.
>>>
>>> More tubeless info from Analog Cycles: 
>>> https://analogcycles.com/true-facts-components/analogs-tubeless-set-up-guide/
>>>
>>> Learning new bike skills is a good thing. 
>>>
>>> Do It & Good Luck!
>>>
>>> Mike M
>>>
>>> On Thursday, March 4, 2021 at 8:46:57 PM UTC-8 philipr...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Okey dokey folks - I'm thinking I'd like to convert my Clem Smith 
 (650b) to tubeless. Reason being that my neighborhood and favorite route 
 to 
 the trails is pretty much old school industrial and I'm constantly 
 fighting 
 punctures from debris. Since the Alex rims look to support a tubeless set 
 up it seems like I'll need the following;

- tubeless compatible tires
- rim tape (Gorilla)
- tubeless valve stems
- tire sealant

 I have done the same conversion on a dirt motorcycle so familiar with 
 the concept and install procedures but...

 What am I missing? Any caveats? Am I mad to attempt this? Plus any 
 other advice would be most welcome.

>>>

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Re: [RBW] Anyone have toe overlap issues?

[John Bokman]

I agree. I ride a 58 cm Sam, and I experience overlap (58cm frame; 175 mm 
cranks; 700x38 tires; berthoud stainless fenders; size 10 street shoes on 
VP Vice pedals). It's a fantastic bike, but overlap can be annoying in stop 
and go traffic and while riding offroad. I wish 58 cm Sams were available 
in 650b!

John

On Wednesday, February 3, 2021 at 10:36:17 AM UTC-8 Christopher Cote wrote:

> I really dislike toe overlap. I have had it on pretty much every road bike 
> with fenders I've ever had, even a Toyo Atlantis with 26" wheels. It's 
> tolerable for pure paved road riding, but any kind of slow speed 
> underbiking, country biking, hilibiking, etc and it's a no-go for me.
>
> Chris
>
>
> On Wednesday, February 3, 2021 at 1:27:51 PM UTC-5 aeroperf wrote:
>
>>
>> My 2015 Sam is the only bike I have ever had toe overlap with. It’s 
>> always interesting when my downgoing toe hits the upgoing front tire on a 
>> low speed turn.  55 Sam, size 10 shoe, 622x42 tires.
>> I thought that, like pedal strike, it was just something you trained 
>> yourself not to do.
>>
>>

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[RBW] WTB: MKS Urban Platform Pedals

[John Bokman]

Any Rivsters out there who tried, and decided to pass on these and are 
willing to let them go (not too dear)? I'm growing tired of my VP VICE 
digging hell out of my shoes, and find the platform is larger than I really 
need. Also, I've had significant durability issues with the bearings, so am 
looking for a silky-smooth pedal my dogs can jibe with that will last. 
(Since I have not tried these, I'm reluctant to buy new and discover they 
are not my cup of tea.)

Bonus: If you have any cage clips I'd be interested in those, too.

Thanks all.

John
Portland OR

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[RBW] New Saddlebag Cotton

[John Bokman]

I have used Carradice bags and still use a Cartwright series Baggins 
saddlebag (Adam). My one gripe with these bags is that excess moisture can 
provide a good environment for mildew growth. I ride in a moist climate 
(Portland, OR) and am not always able to bring my bike in for storage while 
at work. Thus, in the 8 months a year when it rains, a saddlebag can become 
saturated and not completely dry.

This is not a knock on the bags, just a fact of life in a wet climate using 
this material. So I am curious to know if the newer Scottish Cotton fabric 
is more impervious to microbial growth than the older cotton that Riv used 
for their bags (or indeed than Carradice cotton). 

As a data point: I have used a Nylon X-PAC handlebar bag that has also 
fallen victim to mildew growth - albeit not as quickly or with such 
deleterious effects - so I believe no product is 100% impervious given long 
hours in the rain without being able to come inside more often. I'm not 
expecting a miracle fabric in this regard, just curious if the newer cotton 
is any better than the older concerning microbes.

Also another thought regarding waxed cotton: I don't believe I would apply 
wax any longer. Seems to me it just traps the funk and prevents the bag 
from breathing.

Of course, this is all academic at present, as it is nearly 100 degrees 
outside with no chance of rain in sight! But I have been considering 
another saddlebag, and one thing that might prevent me from doing so would 
be the thought of microbial growth


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[RBW] Re: Website is live featuring beautiful bikes & surroundings

[John Bokman]

Beautiful photos. Well done site. Thanks.

On Saturday, July 25, 2020 at 6:05:09 PM UTC-7, Andrew Turner wrote:
>
> COVID gave me time to spruce up my website  and 
> it's at a point where I'm comfortable making it public. The majority of it 
> is dedicated to riding and the surroundings I'm lucky enough to see and 
> document, so I figured I'd share it here. 
>
> Enjoy! 
> - Andrew
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[RBW] Re: FS: 60cm Orange Rambouillet $800 Complete

[John Bokman]

Why did the Covid situation have to take my job? I would be so on this 
otherwise! And local, too!

On Monday, July 20, 2020 at 10:17:01 PM UTC-7, maxcr wrote:
>
> Same, except it is my size... I don’t need another bike, I don’t need 
> another bike, I need another bike? 
> Max

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[RBW] Rivendell Paint

[John Bokman]

Segueing off a thread on the new Sam Hillbornes upcoming: How exactly are 
stock Rivendells painted? They are so glossy looking, so thick and zesty, 
they don't look powder-coated to my eye. If they are powder-coated, how do 
they achieve this effect? Regardless of how they are painted, who does the 
painting, and where? I have yet to see a better paint job on a production 
bike than a Rivendell.

John
Portland, OR

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[RBW] Re: Cantilever brake recommendations

[John Bokman]

Shimano CX-70 (no longer in production) are the best I've used for stopping 
power, modulation, and feel. I believe the CX-50 is the same functional 
brake, and is a bargain, in my estimation. If you want to spend even less, 
I would go with the Tektro CR 710.

On Thursday, July 16, 2020 at 9:14:06 AM UTC-7, Ginz wrote:
>
> Shimano cx-50. 

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[RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

[John Bokman]

Sorry if you already answered this and I missed it, but: How does the ride 
of your HOmer compare to that of your Hillborne? Is the Homer noticeably 
more sprightly? Noticeably a better climber? Etc.

Thanks. I own a  700c Hillborne and love it, but I want to get a 650b bike, 
also, and don't need something as stout as my Sam.

On Wednesday, June 24, 2020 at 3:08:32 PM UTC-7, Adam Leibow wrote:
>
> here's a similarly bad photo of my new MIT homer, which i bought a few 
> weeks ago. loving it so far
>
> [image: IMG_1356.jpeg]
>
>
>
> On Friday, February 1, 2019 at 11:29:13 AM UTC-8, Adam Leibow wrote:
>>
>> hi all, i want to create a thread where you just post a picture of your 
>> rivendell(s) whenever you feel like it. hope this is OK w/ the mods. i love 
>> lookin at pics of em all day. i will start with my sam hillborne.
>>
>>
>> [image: IMG_3920.jpeg]
>>
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Re: [RBW] daily post ur riv

[john Bokman]

Nice! What kind of pedals are coming your way?

> On Jul 15, 2020, at 10:44 AM, Jason Fuller  wrote:
> 
> I got out for 30km on the new iteration of the XO-1 last night, and am very 
> pleased with this change to the flat-bar setup! It now fills the "speedy, fun 
> around-town bike" hole in my quiver, whereas before it overlapped strongly 
> with my Hillborne (and felt less refined).  I also ordered a few things for 
> it from Riv yesterday: pedals, 38T ring and guard, Tallux, and grey silicone 
> grips. Shipping / exchange to Canada is brutal, but fair trade-off for the 
> health care :D 
> 
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, 15 July 2020 at 04:38:43 UTC-7 Ryan M. wrote:
> Thanks, Patrick. It was definitely an adventure especially when I spooked 
> that gar that was laying in the water over the road. 
> 
> The last year here in Kentucky it seems like it has rained constantly. We've 
> had an abnormally wet time of it. 
> 
> On Sunday, July 12, 2020 at 2:51:45 PM UTC-5 Deacon Patrick wrote:
> When your wheel becomes a rudder, Ryan, you know you're in deep! Looks like 
> fun adventure, and we could use some of that rain if you have any left! Grin.
> 
> With abandon,
> Patrick
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[RBW] Re: FS - Nitto, VO Racks, Paul Centerpulls, Misc.

[John Bokman]

Bummer. So sorry to hear this!
How would a different design alternately route the wire to avoid this slot 
in the BB shell, I wonder?


On Friday, June 12, 2020 at 1:13:54 PM UTC-7, velomann wrote:
>
> John,
>
> Re: Rambler, first the bottom bracket cracked. I rode it for over a year 
> with an incrementally growing crack spreading up the seat tube. This is 
> apparently an issue with the Zen Fabrication Ramblers - at least 4 of them 
> including mine. There's a slot in the BB between the seat tube and down 
> tube to allow for internal routing of the taillight wire, but it means 
> those tubes are not welded in a full circle as they would be normally, and 
> obviously a BB shell with a perpendicular slot cut in the top is going to 
> be compromised. Rob from Ocean Air says fault of welders, but other 
> manufactures of Ramblers refused to follow that design spec for fear of 
> exactly what happened to mine and others. Bantam Ramblers are fine, as I 
> assume are the Page Street Ramblers, but I'd steer clear of the ones made 
> by Zen knowing what I know now. 
> And then I crashed it last August and buckled the top tube and down tube, 
> so the slow death was hastened.
>
> Mike M
>
> On Friday, June 12, 2020 at 11:47:26 AM UTC-7, John Bokman wrote:
>>
>> Mike, what happened to the Rambler? Such a nice looking bike.
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 10, 2020 at 3:21:12 PM UTC-7, velomann wrote:
>>>
>>> Stuff I really like but realistically am not going to use in foreseeable 
>>> future:
>>>
>>> All prices are plus shipping in the 48.
>>>
>>> Nitto Campee Front Rack with detachable lowriders - $120. I love this 
>>> rack and ran it for several years and a few tours on my Rambler. That bike 
>>> is dead and the replacement has custom racks so I no longer have a bike for 
>>> this.  * for what it's worth I bought this rack from Manny, so you KNOW 
>>> it's bombproof.
>>>
>>> Nitto Rear Rack - $110. Not sure of the model. It's similar to the 
>>> 32R/33R but it's neither. Most closely resembles the Simworks On the Road 
>>> Rack 
>>> https://www.sim.works/products/on-the-road-carrier?variant=16532776835 but 
>>> not exactly. Note the last hole on the dropout tang is cut off, there's a 
>>> chance if you wanted to mount this on a tall 700c bike it wouldn't fit. 
>>> Otherwise you should be fine. I'm not a rear rack guy so only used this a 
>>> couple times.
>>>
>>> Velo Orange Front and Rear Constructeur Racks - $50/each - Excellent 
>>> condition.
>>>
>>> Paul Racer Centerpull Brakes 2 pairs (one bike's worth) $150. These also 
>>> came off the Rambler. Excellent brakes. I ran them with 650x42 tires with 
>>> fenders. NOTE: These are NOT the ones with the center mount. You need posts 
>>> designed for centerpulls or mod your bike or build a custom for these 
>>> brakes.
>>>
>>> Paul anodized Brake Adjuster nuts - 2 red, 2 blue, $30. I used these to 
>>> bling the Centerpulls, but they will go on any Paul nutted brakes.
>>>
>>> Check the flickr album here for pics and other goodies for sale (brake 
>>> levers, derailleurs, Bridgestone saddle, B.O.B coin purse...)
>>>
>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/8199310@N04/49992315273/in/dateposted-public/
>>>
>>> Mike M
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS - Nitto, VO Racks, Paul Centerpulls, Misc.

[John Bokman]

Mike, what happened to the Rambler? Such a nice looking bike.

On Wednesday, June 10, 2020 at 3:21:12 PM UTC-7, velomann wrote:
>
> Stuff I really like but realistically am not going to use in foreseeable 
> future:
>
> All prices are plus shipping in the 48.
>
> Nitto Campee Front Rack with detachable lowriders - $120. I love this rack 
> and ran it for several years and a few tours on my Rambler. That bike is 
> dead and the replacement has custom racks so I no longer have a bike for 
> this.  * for what it's worth I bought this rack from Manny, so you KNOW 
> it's bombproof.
>
> Nitto Rear Rack - $110. Not sure of the model. It's similar to the 32R/33R 
> but it's neither. Most closely resembles the Simworks On the Road Rack 
> https://www.sim.works/products/on-the-road-carrier?variant=16532776835 but 
> not exactly. Note the last hole on the dropout tang is cut off, there's a 
> chance if you wanted to mount this on a tall 700c bike it wouldn't fit. 
> Otherwise you should be fine. I'm not a rear rack guy so only used this a 
> couple times.
>
> Velo Orange Front and Rear Constructeur Racks - $50/each - Excellent 
> condition.
>
> Paul Racer Centerpull Brakes 2 pairs (one bike's worth) $150. These also 
> came off the Rambler. Excellent brakes. I ran them with 650x42 tires with 
> fenders. NOTE: These are NOT the ones with the center mount. You need posts 
> designed for centerpulls or mod your bike or build a custom for these 
> brakes.
>
> Paul anodized Brake Adjuster nuts - 2 red, 2 blue, $30. I used these to 
> bling the Centerpulls, but they will go on any Paul nutted brakes.
>
> Check the flickr album here for pics and other goodies for sale (brake 
> levers, derailleurs, Bridgestone saddle, B.O.B coin purse...)
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/8199310@N04/49992315273/in/dateposted-public/
>
> Mike M
>

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Re: [RBW] Hot Waxing Chains

[john Bokman]

I just use 8 drops and I’m good to go!

> On Jun 5, 2020, at 3:06 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
> 
> One more satisfied customer, I guess! NFS is the one lube that from reports I 
> would consider using in place of Molten Speed Wax. Must get around to buying 
> some.
> 
> Question to you sandy/dusty/silty surface riders: I'd be interested to hear 
> how NFS performs in dry conditions of this sort. I'm talking about the sort 
> of surfaces where even a single 10 mile ride will coat everything from top 
> tube to drivetrain and disc calipers in a thick coating of dust. (Dust is the 
> principal reason for using fenders on my Matthews; doesn't keep all the dust 
> off, but it certainly lessens the amount on things above the knee.)
> 
> Also, for longer-term users: Did Michael overdo the application? Do you 
> really need to put a drop on only 12 links out of N?
> 
> On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 2:10 PM Michael Hechmer  > wrote:
> So I bought a bottle of NFS (Nixfrikshun) for my trust Saluki, now 
> dressed up in brandy new TA rings.  I followed the instructions to put a drop 
> on 12 links and spin the chain backwards 12 times.  There was no sign of any 
> lube on the big ring, so I added 4 more drops and spun 12 times.  Still no 
> sign of any lube.  Added 4 more drops & spun.  No sign of any lube, but this 
> time I lightly rubbed a finger across the chain and could feel just the 
> thinnest film of oil.  Went out for an hours ride on dirt roads.  The bike 
> ran quietly, or as quietly as tires can roll over loose dirt, shifted 
> flawlessly; certainly no chain squeak. Returning I checked the rings & chain 
> and saw a small amount of lube on the rings.  No visible dirt.  Wiped the 
> chain and the big ring down.  
> 
> I'm definitely impressed and thanks to Robert Tilley for the suggestion.
> 
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> 
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Re: [RBW] Hot Waxing Chains

[John Bokman]

I also have been very impressed with NFS. I used to use boeshield, and 
triflow, and finishlineWhere I live in Oregon it is wet 8 months a 
year. I commute daily, and oil gunking up the drivetrain can be a real 
mess. So I tried the NFS simply to keep everything cleaner. It has been the 
cleanest I've used,  and also longest lasting.

On Friday, June 5, 2020 at 1:10:55 PM UTC-7, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>
> So I bought a bottle of NFS (Nixfrikshun) for my trust Saluki, now 
> dressed up in brandy new TA rings.  I followed the instructions to put a 
> drop on 12 links and spin the chain backwards 12 times.  There was no sign 
> of any lube on the big ring, so I added 4 more drops and spun 12 times. 
>  Still no sign of any lube.  Added 4 more drops & spun.  No sign of any 
> lube, but this time I lightly rubbed a finger across the chain and could 
> feel just the thinnest film of oil.  Went out for an hours ride on dirt 
> roads.  The bike ran quietly, or as quietly as tires can roll over loose 
> dirt, shifted flawlessly; certainly no chain squeak. Returning I checked 
> the rings & chain and saw a small amount of lube on the rings.  No visible 
> dirt.  Wiped the chain and the big ring down.  
>
> I'm definitely impressed and thanks to Robert Tilley for the suggestion.
>
> Michael
>
> On Sunday, May 31, 2020 at 1:59:42 PM UTC-4, Robert Tilley wrote:
>>
>> I believe they state that you should wipe down your chain after every 
>> ride which would keep the chain cleaner. I never do that and only wipe down 
>> the chain when I re-lube the chain. I just checked the chains on a couple 
>> of bikes that haven't been re-lubed in a while and the chains are still 
>> pretty clean.
>>
>> Another good thing about NFS is that one bottle will last a long time. 12 
>> drops per chain uses far less than the one drop every link I used with 
>> Boeshield.
>>
>> Robert Tilley
>> San Diego, CA
>>
>> Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device
>> *From:* mhec...@gmail.com
>> *Sent:* May 31, 2020 4:45 AM
>> *To:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com
>> *Reply-to:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [RBW] Hot Waxing Chains
>>
>> Never heard of it, but they certainly make extravagant claims!   The idea 
>> of only using 12 drops for an entire chain and then letting the cogs 
>> redistribute sounds interesting and should result in less lube leaking to 
>> the sides of the chain, where in attracts dirt.  But doesn't the cog then 
>> spread the lube back to the chain sides?
>>
>> Michael
>>
>> On Saturday, May 30, 2020 at 1:56:36 PM UTC-4, Robert Tilley wrote:
>>>
>>> I have recently switched over to NFS lube after years of using 
>>> Boeshield. I am finding that the NFS lasts much longer and needs to be 
>>> reapplied less frequently. It also keeps the drivetrain very quiet and the 
>>> chain stays clean. I was skeptical that 12 drops world be enough to work 
>>> but it does.
>>>
>>> http://nixfrixshun.com/nixfrixshun-ultimate-bicycle-chainlube/
>>>
>>> I have tried most of the dry lubes out there and always found that the 
>>> wax they use collected on the cogs and I would periodically need to remove 
>>> the cassette and give it a good cleaning. I have always been curious about 
>>> doing a proper wax job on my chains and may do it at some point but NFS 
>>> works so well for me I don't have the motivation to try right now.
>>>
>>> Robert Tilley
>>> San Diego, CA
>>>
>>> Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device
>>> *From:* mhec...@gmail.com
>>> *Sent:* May 28, 2020 4:18 PM
>>> *To:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com
>>> *Reply-to:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com
>>> *Subject:* [RBW] Hot Waxing Chains
>>>
>>> Greetings, one and all.  It has been a long time, at least a few years, 
>>> since my last post and I am just assuming my membership is still active.
>>>
>>> At 75+, I still ride regularly, although not the distances I used to.  I 
>>> live in a small town in far northern VT, which has mostly dirt roads. I 
>>> just ride; I don't desire new stuff nor do anything heroic worth writing 
>>> about.  I have a Ramboulliet, a Trek 620, An early Saluki (my goto ride), 
>>> and a custom Bilenky touring tandem.  My wife rides a Betty Foy and my 
>>> daughter a Cheviot.   All but the Trek have fenders but that's still a lot 
>>> of chains out on dirty roads and a lot of messy time cleaning them.
>>>
>>> Can you teach an old dog new tricks?  Well maybe.   I clean the chains, 
>>> rings and cogs with mineral spirits and citrosol.  I use a standard oil 
>>> lube and wipe them down as best I can.  The process of wiping down the 
>>> chains inevitably contaminates the rings and cogs with oil and the first 
>>> ride bleeds oil from the inside to the outside of the chain.  The oil 
>>> collects dirt, which wears down rings and cogs.  (I just ordered three new 
>>> rings today, so I'm focused).  Every time I go through this process of 
>>> cleaning 9 chains, I watch a youtube video on chain waxing but get put off 

[RBW] Re: New batch of Sam Hillbornes this fall.

[John Bokman]

I don't know, but that old black was the nicest I've ever seen! That color 
really pops. Although I've got an Orange Sam, I'd be mighty tempted to get 
another in Black, assuming the dimensions/specs are the same on the 
forthcoming iteration.

On Saturday, May 16, 2020 at 5:29:13 PM UTC-7, Grady Wright wrote:
>
> The Email Newsletter from Rivendell yesterday mentioned Sam Hillbornes are 
> coming later this year and maybe in an older Rivendell color. Any guesses 
> what that color could be?

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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB English Rain coat

[john Bokman]

I got the Double Ventile Greenspot (based on recommendations from the list) 
last year and have come to realize a few things:

1. The quality of stitching, zippers, fabric is superb
2. The jacket is indeed fairly heavy and hot. I would not recommend it for 
cycling in warmer temperatures. When I use it, I have a thin layer underneath 
and it’s fine.
3. Although I measured to their specs, I ordered a size medium, standard length 
sleeves. When riding, the sleeves are 2” too short for my liking. Should have 
ordered longer sleeves. I would be very careful in taking to them before 
ordering in the future to determine what type of riding you aim to do. For 
example, I am stretched out when I ride. I ride drops. If I were sitting 
upright, the sleeve length would work better.
4. I have their single venture gilet, and it is pretty good for water 
protection, and lighter by a fair bit. If I were getting a Greenspot in the 
future for commuting or short rides, I might get a single ventile instead.

> On Apr 25, 2020, at 6:50 AM, Ginz  wrote:
> 
> For those with the double ventile greenspot, do reserve that for colder 
> weather? I generally like to layer under my jacket and use a thinner jacket. 
> I almost worry the single greenspot will be too heavy for me, but I guess I 
> have thinner jacket for warmer weather. 
> 
> I have a ventile dress raincoat so I am somewhat familiar with it.  
> 
> 
> Thanks
> Eric
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Re: [RBW] Re: In your opinion, what's missing from the Riv lineup?

[john Bokman]

I think overlap is “not a big deal” if I’m out on a sport ride, not hauling 
baggage, not constantly stopping and starting in traffic. But when I’m on an 
urban commute or grocery haul, it becomes, not necessarily “a problem” but a 
hassle I’d rather not have. Not a deal breaker, certainly, just something I’d 
rather avoid. 26” wheels offer lots of advantages for such riding.

> On Feb 18, 2020, at 10:30 AM, Chris L  wrote:
> 
> I follow R in Seattle almost as close as I follow RBW and tend to agree 
> with their philosophy that there is no reason for a bike to have toe overlap. 
>  They tend to design around wheel sizes that eliminate toe overlap and they 
> also go the "more fork rake/less head angle" route to eliminate toe overlap.  
> They developed their own aluminum fork with 55mm of rake (vs the common 45mm 
> fork) but they also build custom forks, as needed.
> 
> I think it's cool that Grant redesigned my size Atlantis with 700c wheels and 
> a long top tube with more fork rake and less head angle.  I bet that has tons 
> of toe clearance, even with the fattest tires that will fit.  
> 
> I'm fortunate that I ride flat bars exclusively and my proportions require a 
> bike with a longer top tube so I can run huge tires on my Hunqapillar (much 
> more conservative in front-end dimensions than the new Atlantis) with no toe 
> overlap.   My grail bike is pretty much the old 26" 56cm Atlantis but I know 
> from experience that a 57cm ETT just won't work for me.
> 
>  
> 
> On Tuesday, February 18, 2020 at 11:55:41 AM UTC-6, Jason Fuller wrote:
> Fair enough Patrick, I have had bikes with varying amounts and I should have 
> been clearer that I think some toe overlap is OK for me (ie my 51 Sam has 
> some when I run fenders) and I've also never had an accident due to it (also 
> rode fixed a good while on a bike with a fair bit of overlap) but I do find 
> it an annoyance that I'd really prefer to remove from my riding experience - 
> particularly on a bike I load up
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Re: [RBW] Re: In your opinion, what's missing from the Riv lineup?

[john Bokman]

Yeah, that’s what I’m thinking. Remember when Riv was one of the few (only?) to 
offer a bike spec’d with 650B? They were committed to getting some tires out 
there, and though we had to wait a while, the industry followed their lead. If 
Riv wee to design another great 26” wheeled all-rounder, perhaps it would spark 
interest in great 26” tires. I for one don’t think 26” is dead just yet. What 
comes around….

> On Feb 18, 2020, at 8:36 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
> 
> If Grant were to put a 26" wheeled All Rounder on the market again, I wonder 
> if that might not help initiative a return to market of decent 26" wheel 
> tires other than knobbies and heavy "city" tires? Rivendell designs have 
> driven trends before ...
> 
> There was a thread on the Boblist which mentioned a surprising number of 
> decent 559 tires in the 32 to 48 mm range.
> 
> Patrick " helplessly hoping " Moore, who has an investment in 26" road wheels.
> 
> On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 7:36 AM Julian Westerhout  > wrote:
> I'd agree with the idea that a Nobilette All-Rounder would be fine, but in 
> 650b --- 26" is starting to fade on all but the low end. It seems good tires, 
> etc. more likely to be found in 650b, or, as the Kool Kids say, 27.5".
> 
> 
> Julian Westerhout
> Bloomington, IL 
> 
> On Tuesday, February 18, 2020 at 3:02:31 AM UTC-6, Joe Bernard wrote:
> A new Nobilette All Rounder with 26" wheels would be cool.
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[RBW] Re: In your opinion, what's missing from the Riv lineup?

[John Bokman]

A canti Sam Hill with 26" rubber. I find my 700C about perfect, but for one 
thing: I experience toe clip overlap in constant stop and start urban 
riding (I use fenders). I would also appreciate the quickness of getting 
going with 26" wheels. I realize 650B would get me the same lack of 
overlap, but I always liked my 26" wheeled bikes and would like to ride 
another one.

On Thursday, February 13, 2020 at 10:40:23 AM UTC-8, Jason Fuller wrote:
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> Pardon the idle-mind pondering, I am home sick today and becoming bored, 
> which has me daydreaming about a collaboration I've been trying to ignite 
> between Ocean Air Cycles and Rivendell to bring back the Rambler as a MIT, 
> tig-welded all-rounder that could hit that $900 - $1050 range price point 
> based on other TIG Riv's.  
>
> To me, there is a big hole in the lineup where a TIG frameset in the Homer 
> / Hillborne range of sportiness belongs; something much like the OAC 
> Rambler was (which had long stays for a non-Riv, too). I also believe this 
> would be a strong seller, competing more directly with Crust, Surly, etc. 
> 650B / 700c depending on size, clearance for 48's, mid-weight tubing, works 
> with drops or swept bars. 
>
> I imagine this kind of bike, but with modern Riv twists, is coming up soon 
> - hopefully!
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[RBW] WTB: Shimano CX 70 brake

[John Bokman]

Had two, now only one. Looking for a replacement. The Rear seized for some 
reason and I had to replace it. These have been the best cantis I've ever 
used, and I'd like to find one out there, if possible.

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[RBW] Re: Charlie H Gallop!

[John Bokman]

Gorgeous XO. I rode the heck out of my 1994 X0-3. Now my daughter is riding 
it. Great bikes! Should not be hard to sell.

On Saturday, December 21, 2019 at 5:00:05 PM UTC-8, Jason Fuller wrote:
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> Damn it Joe, I blame you for the wallet damage ;) 
>   
> I just ordered a Clem H 45 frameset in green. 
>
> Tangentially related: Here is a photo of my XO-1 from a short ride earlier 
> today, the bike that I'll need to sell to balance the budget. It's a 
> beautiful and historically significant bike, but it doesn't suit most of my 
> riding. 
>
> On Saturday, 21 December 2019 12:24:06 UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote:
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>> Hey, you should grab the deal they're doing on 45 H models right now! 
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Re: [RBW] Silver2 shifters have arrived!

[john Bokman]

Thanks. Makes sense now. I’ll try some.

> On Nov 29, 2019, at 2:28 AM, Garth  wrote:
> 
> 
>   Yes, the shape is now copied after the 1980's Suntour Thumbshifters. The 
> innards, while the same as the original Silver levers, is based on the 
> Suntour Sprint road levers, which uses a smaller diameter ratchet design 
> inside than the original mountain Suntour Thumbshifters.  Having both 
> versions, the mountain lever seems to hold the gear better than the road.  As 
> far as I know every copy of Suntour ratcheting levers has been of the road 
> version innards, no one has copied the mountain.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Thursday, November 28, 2019 at 5:48:15 PM UTC-5, John Bokman wrote:
> How do these differ from the original silver bar-end shifters on my 2009 Sam?
> 
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Re: [RBW] Silver2 shifters have arrived!

[John Bokman]

How do these differ from the original silver bar-end shifters on my 2009 
Sam?

On Thursday, November 28, 2019 at 10:02:12 AM UTC-8, ttoshi wrote:
>
> Wow they are gorgeous! I can’t wait to get ‘em on a bike. The original 
> Silver is great but may be slightly long for my taste as bar ends. These 
> will be perfect!
>
> Toshi
>
> On Wed, Nov 27, 2019 at 7:45 PM dougP > 
> wrote:
>
>> The long awaited Silver 2 shifters have arrived, just in time for the 
>> holidays:  
>>
>> https://www.rivbike.com/collections/shifting/products/kjalgjoihjga44451
>>
>> The mounts for upright bars are delayed a bit but the shifters also work 
>> as bar ends & down tubes.  Treat yourself to something nice; maybe buy a 
>> spare pair "just in case".  Shifters sold individually so you can do all 
>> sorts of crazy things.  See the website for which-goes-where.  
>>
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[RBW] Re: Favorite All-around Drive train?

[John Bokman]

Lotsa good options and thoughts here. I must admit I'm leaning toward the 
Herse setup, damn the cost. If I'm going to pay to go custom, I may as well 
spend my wad. 
107 BB or 110? (Thanks for that data point William D. R.)

One concern is that it seems to me that Grant's bikes do really well with 
his spec'd components. Not so sure if they do as well without. Specifically 
I'm speaking of the more "versatile" bikes, like my Sam HIll. Will the 
narrow tread and shorter bottom bracket play well with this bike?


On Tuesday, November 26, 2019 at 10:55:29 PM UTC-8, Nikos Karanikas wrote:
>
> My favorite is this:
> https://www.velovitality.co.uk/collections/transmission/products/sunxcd-ta-chainset.
>  
> I chose the 40-26 with a 12-29 or 12-32 miche cassette, both with a short 
> cage rear derailleur. Since i use 11 speed trigger shifters with my Bosco 
> setup, my LBS used around 1,5mm narrower chainring spacers to make it work 
> properly.
>
>
> Τη Δευτέρα, 25 Νοεμβρίου 2019 - 2:10:38 π.μ. UTC+2, ο χρήστης John Bokman 
> έγραψε:
>>
>> Curious: What's been your favorite all-round drive train on your riv(s)?
>>
>> I was a big fan of the Sugino 46-36-26 tripple, but wanted a narrower 
>> Q-factor, and never used the granny ring. I now use a 44/30 x 11/32 which 
>> is nice in some ways, but I don't get the super smooth shifting I got from 
>> the original (on my 2009 Sam). In fact, i've never gotten better shifting 
>> than the original Sam setup.
>>
>> I like the idea of Riv's double, but it's a wider Q than I want, and with 
>> the big ring at just 38 teeth, I deem the top end to be a bit lacking for 
>> the type of riding I do.
>>
>> I've thought of using their Silver 44/34/24, but again, it's a wider Q 
>> than I want, and I would hardly ever use the granny.
>>
>> I've got indexing on another bike (Shimano 105, 11x28), and it shifts 
>> flawlessly, with a narrow Q from the Velo Orange 46/30 cranks. I'm not 
>> interested in going indexing on the Riv, just a data point.
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: MKS Grip King Monarch Pedals

[john Bokman]

Thanks for the thoughts.
I had thought of trying the Always pedals. They are significantly smaller than 
my VP Vice, but honestly, I don’t seem to need a super wide platform for my 
foot. I have size 10, not wide feet. More important than size of the pedal, I 
think, is that it match my foot.

> On Nov 24, 2019, at 7:43 PM, 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch 
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> And now for something completely different ... at least re the pedal 
> question. My priority is the bearings and comfort underfoot at hight 
> pressure. I'm hard on bearings. Rocks, roots, and stupid wet, muddy, snowy, 
> freezing, sludgy riding will do that. VPs lasted me a matter of months and 
> generally didn't repair well for me. MKS cone and bearing pedals last me a 
> year and can be greased well for another year. But MKS cartridge pedals have 
> lasted beautifully so far, beyond a year and counting, so they are my 
> preference. My experience has been stack height is not a material factor. I 
> personally do not like the feel of the pedal shape of the Grip Kings 
> underfoot (my forefoot is my widest part of my foot, the narrowest part of 
> the pedal, so the GK's have great fore/aft stability, minimal lateral 
> stability for me). MKS All Ways pedals are a delight, as are their touring 
> pedals. If riding in the snow, touring pedals win, as pressure on the pedal 
> increases grip and discards snow, whereas most pedals it compresses the snow 
> into ice and renders them unridable until chipped off ... not fun at temps 
> near zero. Note: I ride fixed gear, no retention, on both All Ways and 
> Touring pedals, and my Gus has some stupid amount of gears and I ride touring 
> pedals for it. They just handle the bashing and crashing and freezing and 
> thawing and muddy mucky wet wonderfully.
> 
> With abandon,
> Patrick 
> 
> On Saturday, November 23, 2019 at 2:49:00 PM UTC-7, John Bokman wrote:
> Curious if anyone has the newer of the Grip Kings: the "Monarch". I've been 
> riding VP Vice for a few years after weaning myself off Speedplay Frogs, and 
> am rather annoyed at chewing up my shoes from the sharp pins. Also don't feel 
> I need the width of the VPs. Always looking for ways to get Riv some money, I 
> thought I might try these. However, I'm also curious about the MKS Allways  
> pedalsI'd prefer a low stack height, so VPs look to be the winner in that 
> category
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Re: [RBW] Re: Favorite All-around Drive train?

[john Bokman]

Thanks for all the ideas.
I have considered a white industries before. 
I have considered a Rene here, also.
Don’t think I’m willing to spend so much, however, because I imagine it would 
not only be the cranks, but the bottom bracket as well, no? 
I think a 42 large ring and something like 26 small ring would be ideal.
Main thing is, I like to be able to use the big ring for most of my riding (and 
be able to access the 32 cog with it without cross-chaining). I drop down to 
the small ring only for the steep climbs.

As it is now, I can’t get into my 44x32 without cross-chaining. I’m using 
Grant’s Shimano Altus derailed, BTW.

> On Nov 25, 2019, at 2:16 AM, Garth  wrote:
> 
> 
> What you're looking for then would be a wide compact double which are 
> designed for road bikes with their straight-er arms mid 140's q., One with a 
> 94 bcd like the IRD wide compact crank would suit you. It comes with rings 
> however, so you'll have to get another large ring. 
> A 110 road double also can work with a 34 small ring and a 34 large cog. The 
> low gear is about 2 gear inches higher than what you have.  Sugino 901D 
> Mighty double 110 crank comes to mind. It comes with our without rings, black 
> or silver. Yes, that would be a 34/38 crank as you said you wanted a 38 large 
> ring. Having closely spaced rings works better than it sounds. 
> 
> I've seen both of these here for informational purposes :  
> https://www.bikehighway.com/cranksets.html#product_list_limit=90 
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Re: [RBW] Favorite All-around Drive train?

[john Bokman]

Paul, it’s an 8-speed cassette. Sram.

> On Nov 24, 2019, at 6:18 PM, PaulS  wrote:
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> Is the 11-32 a 9-Sp cassette? Try an 11-Sp. I find the spacing just fine. Of 
> course, I never really had much complaints about wide range 9-sp either. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: MKS Grip King Monarch Pedals

[john Bokman]

Thanks for the stats.  They look pretty nice. May have to try some. Like 
everything Riv sells, I’m sure they will last, so even if I don’t take to them, 
I can throw them on my wife or kid’s bikes and be set for years.

> On Nov 24, 2019, at 6:34 PM, The Snag  wrote:
> 
> I don't notice a huge difference but I also use the two bikes differently, 
> the MKS are on a MTB rig so cornering is not as noticeable. I measure the 
> main platform of the Monarch at 17mm, more like 22mm with the bumps but 
> that's not going to affect how tight a turn you can make. VP's website calls 
> theirs 16mm, but they taper a bit towards the edge. For reference, the 
> original MKS grip king's platform is 22mm, they seem noticeably thicker than 
> the Monarch. 
> 
> Again, out of the three I think that the Monarch is the superior pedal. 
> Width, thickness, length, they just feel right. 
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