Re: [RBW] Re: Bleriot with Middle Ear Problem?

[Christopher Cote]

Thanks!


On Friday, February 3, 2017 at 9:25:50 AM UTC-5, Kevin Lindsey wrote:
>
> It seems to have been a loose headset.  I followed Steve's advice, found 
> that it seemed a little floppy, tightened it up, and it runs fine.
> Kevin
>
> On Thursday, February 2, 2017 at 7:10:55 PM UTC-5, Christopher Cote wrote:
>>
>> Hi Kevin, I know this is an old thread, but did you ever figure out what 
>> the problem was?
>>
>>
>> On Friday, October 30, 2015 at 5:15:19 AM UTC-4, Kevin Lindsey wrote:
>>>
>>> Not yet.  I'll probably take it to one of the local shops (the "Bicycle 
>>> Pro Shop" on Duke Street in Alexandria has some great bike techs) and see 
>>> if they can localize the problem.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, October 29, 2015 at 3:59:12 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:

 Have you serviced the headset yet?

 On 10/29/2015 12:35 PM, Kevin Lindsey wrote:

 Not a silly question at all, but, no, the tire pressure is fine.  I had 
 pumped it up to 60psi - my normal pressure - just that morning before 
 heading out.
 It had occurred to me, too, that the frame might be cracked, but a 
 quick glance around didn't reveal anything unusual.  However, I'm planning 
 to stay off of it until I can localize the problem; not only do I not want 
 to risk making the issue worse, but the Bleriot's instability - slight 
 though it was - on a steep downhill portion of my ride home was a bit 
 hairy.
 Kevin

 On Thursday, October 29, 2015 at 12:53:23 AM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote: 
>
> This is probably a silly question, but does the front tire have enough 
> air? What you're describing sounds like a tire flopping back and forth on 
> the rim. Low tire pressure - especially on a big-ish tire - can still 
> look 
> rideable until it's almost completely flat. 





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[RBW] Re: Bleriot with Middle Ear Problem?

[Joe Bernard]

I mentioned tire pressure. They were fine, his headset was loose. 

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[RBW] Re: Bleriot with Middle Ear Problem?

[Chromerails]

No one else seems to have mentioned tire pressure, but when my front tire 
is low, I get that wandering feeling you describe. And I admit to not being 
as particular as I used to be about that. Too simple?


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Re: [RBW] Re: Bleriot with Middle Ear Problem?

[Kevin Lindsey]

It seems to have been a loose headset.  I followed Steve's advice, found 
that it seemed a little floppy, tightened it up, and it runs fine.
Kevin

On Thursday, February 2, 2017 at 7:10:55 PM UTC-5, Christopher Cote wrote:
>
> Hi Kevin, I know this is an old thread, but did you ever figure out what 
> the problem was?
>
>
> On Friday, October 30, 2015 at 5:15:19 AM UTC-4, Kevin Lindsey wrote:
>>
>> Not yet.  I'll probably take it to one of the local shops (the "Bicycle 
>> Pro Shop" on Duke Street in Alexandria has some great bike techs) and see 
>> if they can localize the problem.
>>
>> On Thursday, October 29, 2015 at 3:59:12 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>>>
>>> Have you serviced the headset yet?
>>>
>>> On 10/29/2015 12:35 PM, Kevin Lindsey wrote:
>>>
>>> Not a silly question at all, but, no, the tire pressure is fine.  I had 
>>> pumped it up to 60psi - my normal pressure - just that morning before 
>>> heading out.
>>> It had occurred to me, too, that the frame might be cracked, but a quick 
>>> glance around didn't reveal anything unusual.  However, I'm planning to 
>>> stay off of it until I can localize the problem; not only do I not want to 
>>> risk making the issue worse, but the Bleriot's instability - slight though 
>>> it was - on a steep downhill portion of my ride home was a bit hairy.
>>> Kevin
>>>
>>> On Thursday, October 29, 2015 at 12:53:23 AM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote: 

 This is probably a silly question, but does the front tire have enough 
 air? What you're describing sounds like a tire flopping back and forth on 
 the rim. Low tire pressure - especially on a big-ish tire - can still look 
 rideable until it's almost completely flat. 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bleriot with Middle Ear Problem?

[Christopher Cote]

Hi Kevin, I know this is an old thread, but did you ever figure out what 
the problem was?


On Friday, October 30, 2015 at 5:15:19 AM UTC-4, Kevin Lindsey wrote:
>
> Not yet.  I'll probably take it to one of the local shops (the "Bicycle 
> Pro Shop" on Duke Street in Alexandria has some great bike techs) and see 
> if they can localize the problem.
>
> On Thursday, October 29, 2015 at 3:59:12 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>>
>> Have you serviced the headset yet?
>>
>> On 10/29/2015 12:35 PM, Kevin Lindsey wrote:
>>
>> Not a silly question at all, but, no, the tire pressure is fine.  I had 
>> pumped it up to 60psi - my normal pressure - just that morning before 
>> heading out.
>> It had occurred to me, too, that the frame might be cracked, but a quick 
>> glance around didn't reveal anything unusual.  However, I'm planning to 
>> stay off of it until I can localize the problem; not only do I not want to 
>> risk making the issue worse, but the Bleriot's instability - slight though 
>> it was - on a steep downhill portion of my ride home was a bit hairy.
>> Kevin
>>
>> On Thursday, October 29, 2015 at 12:53:23 AM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote: 
>>>
>>> This is probably a silly question, but does the front tire have enough 
>>> air? What you're describing sounds like a tire flopping back and forth on 
>>> the rim. Low tire pressure - especially on a big-ish tire - can still look 
>>> rideable until it's almost completely flat. 
>>
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bleriot with Middle Ear Problem?

[Kevin Lindsey]

Not yet.  I'll probably take it to one of the local shops (the "Bicycle Pro 
Shop" on Duke Street in Alexandria has some great bike techs) and see if 
they can localize the problem.

On Thursday, October 29, 2015 at 3:59:12 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> Have you serviced the headset yet?
>
> On 10/29/2015 12:35 PM, Kevin Lindsey wrote:
>
> Not a silly question at all, but, no, the tire pressure is fine.  I had 
> pumped it up to 60psi - my normal pressure - just that morning before 
> heading out.
> It had occurred to me, too, that the frame might be cracked, but a quick 
> glance around didn't reveal anything unusual.  However, I'm planning to 
> stay off of it until I can localize the problem; not only do I not want to 
> risk making the issue worse, but the Bleriot's instability - slight though 
> it was - on a steep downhill portion of my ride home was a bit hairy.
> Kevin
>
> On Thursday, October 29, 2015 at 12:53:23 AM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote: 
>>
>> This is probably a silly question, but does the front tire have enough 
>> air? What you're describing sounds like a tire flopping back and forth on 
>> the rim. Low tire pressure - especially on a big-ish tire - can still look 
>> rideable until it's almost completely flat. 
>
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bleriot with Middle Ear Problem?

[Eric Norris]

Kevin:

It’s probably not the cause of your issues, but I’ve found that large tires (I 
run 42mm Grand Bois on my Bleriot) suffer from reduced side-to-side stability, 
particularly at lower pressures. Larger tires with supple casings and low 
pressures allow the rim to move from side to side with respect to the contact 
patch, which makes the bike feel less stable.

More than once, I’ve looked down at my rear tire to see if the “squirmy” 
feeling was being caused by a slow leak, only to confirm that the tire was OK. 
In fact, I spent the better part of Day One of PBP thinking that the 28mm 
“supple” rear tire was going flat (it wasn’t).

--Eric N
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> On Oct 29, 2015, at 9:35 AM, Kevin Lindsey  wrote:
> 
> Not a silly question at all, but, no, the tire pressure is fine.  I had 
> pumped it up to 60psi - my normal pressure - just that morning before heading 
> out.
> It had occurred to me, too, that the frame might be cracked, but a quick 
> glance around didn't reveal anything unusual.  However, I'm planning to stay 
> off of it until I can localize the problem; not only do I not want to risk 
> making the issue worse, but the Bleriot's instability - slight though it was 
> - on a steep downhill portion of my ride home was a bit hairy.
> Kevin
> 
> On Thursday, October 29, 2015 at 12:53:23 AM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
> This is probably a silly question, but does the front tire have enough air? 
> What you're describing sounds like a tire flopping back and forth on the rim. 
> Low tire pressure - especially on a big-ish tire - can still look rideable 
> until it's almost completely flat.
> 
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[RBW] Re: Bleriot with Middle Ear Problem?

[Kevin Lindsey]

Not a silly question at all, but, no, the tire pressure is fine.  I had 
pumped it up to 60psi - my normal pressure - just that morning before 
heading out.
It had occurred to me, too, that the frame might be cracked, but a quick 
glance around didn't reveal anything unusual.  However, I'm planning to 
stay off of it until I can localize the problem; not only do I not want to 
risk making the issue worse, but the Bleriot's instability - slight though 
it was - on a steep downhill portion of my ride home was a bit hairy.
Kevin

On Thursday, October 29, 2015 at 12:53:23 AM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> This is probably a silly question, but does the front tire have enough 
> air? What you're describing sounds like a tire flopping back and forth on 
> the rim. Low tire pressure - especially on a big-ish tire - can still look 
> rideable until it's almost completely flat. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bleriot with Middle Ear Problem?

[Kevin Lindsey]

Eric -
I checked both tires' pressure, thinking maybe the problem was linked to 
them, but nada.  I've had these tires at these pressures for a couple of 
thousand miles now, and know their feel pretty well; this was definitely 
something different.  
If it helps at all, I lowered the handlebars about a half inch the night 
before.  I can't see where that would have an effect on the handling, but 
bike balance can be a touchy thing, and I suppose it's possible that the 
slight change in center of gravity or handling might have made a difference.
Kevin

On Thursday, October 29, 2015 at 12:56:42 PM UTC-4, Eric Norris wrote:
>
> Kevin:
>
> It’s probably not the cause of your issues, but I’ve found that large 
> tires (I run 42mm Grand Bois on my Bleriot) suffer from reduced 
> side-to-side stability, particularly at lower pressures. Larger tires with 
> supple casings and low pressures allow the rim to move from side to side 
> with respect to the contact patch, which makes the bike feel less stable.
>
> More than once, I’ve looked down at my rear tire to see if the “squirmy” 
> feeling was being caused by a slow leak, only to confirm that the tire was 
> OK. In fact, I spent the better part of Day One of PBP thinking that the 
> 28mm “supple” rear tire was going flat (it wasn’t).
>
> --Eric N
> campyo...@me.com 
> www.CampyOnly.com 
> Campyonlyguy.blogspot.com 
> @Campyonlyguy
>
>
> On Oct 29, 2015, at 9:35 AM, Kevin Lindsey  > wrote:
>
> Not a silly question at all, but, no, the tire pressure is fine.  I had 
> pumped it up to 60psi - my normal pressure - just that morning before 
> heading out.
> It had occurred to me, too, that the frame might be cracked, but a quick 
> glance around didn't reveal anything unusual.  However, I'm planning to 
> stay off of it until I can localize the problem; not only do I not want to 
> risk making the issue worse, but the Bleriot's instability - slight though 
> it was - on a steep downhill portion of my ride home was a bit hairy.
> Kevin
>
> On Thursday, October 29, 2015 at 12:53:23 AM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> This is probably a silly question, but does the front tire have enough 
>> air? What you're describing sounds like a tire flopping back and forth on 
>> the rim. Low tire pressure - especially on a big-ish tire - can still look 
>> rideable until it's almost completely flat. 
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Bleriot with Middle Ear Problem?

[Steve Palincsar]

Have you serviced the headset yet?

On 10/29/2015 12:35 PM, Kevin Lindsey wrote:
Not a silly question at all, but, no, the tire pressure is fine.  I 
had pumped it up to 60psi - my normal pressure - just that morning 
before heading out.
It had occurred to me, too, that the frame might be cracked, but a 
quick glance around didn't reveal anything unusual.  However, I'm 
planning to stay off of it until I can localize the problem; not only 
do I not want to risk making the issue worse, but the Bleriot's 
instability - slight though it was - on a steep downhill portion of my 
ride home was a bit hairy.

Kevin

On Thursday, October 29, 2015 at 12:53:23 AM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:

This is probably a silly question, but does the front tire have
enough air? What you're describing sounds like a tire flopping
back and forth on the rim. Low tire pressure - especially on a
big-ish tire - can still look rideable until it's almost
completely flat. 





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[RBW] Re: Bleriot with Middle Ear Problem?

[Jeremy Till]

Things to check: 

1. Inspect the fork and frame closely for cracks, maybe by giving them a 
thorough wipe-down.  
2. You didn't mention a front rack, but if there is one, inspect that 
closely and make sure all its fasteners are tight.
3.. Headset too loose? Put weight on the saddle, lock the front brake and 
try rocking the bike forward and back.  If you feel a knock, the headset is 
probably too loose.  
4. Headset too tight/worn/indexed?  Seems likes you checked this already. 
 It can be subtle and hard to feel, but if it's causing steering issues it 
shouldn't be that subtle.  My test is lift the bike (with handlebars and 
front wheel installed) or hang it such that the front end is angling down 
45 deg or so, pull the handlebars to one side and release.  If the fork 
releases and freely swings past center before smoothly penduluming to it's 
natural lowest point, you're good.  If the headset is indexed, you'll see 
it "notch" into place as it comes back to center.  If the headset's way too 
tight or worn it won't swing back at all.  
5. Spoke tension on both wheels:  Spokes evenly and sufficiently tight all 
the way around?  No broken spokes?  
6. Tires evenly seated?



On Tuesday, October 27, 2015 at 12:26:14 PM UTC-7, Kevin Lindsey wrote:
>
> My Bleriot has begun acting strangely in that I can feel it "wandering" 
> underneath me, as if the front wheel were loose and pointing a little bit 
> this way, then a little bit that, and generally acting like it was losing 
> its sense of balance.  The condition was so noticeable yesterday that I 
> stopped more than once on my commute and checked to make sure that the 
> steering and wheel were both secure (they seemed to be OK when I held the 
> wheel with my knees and tried to jiggle the handlebars).  I thought maybe 
> it was a worn headset, but the symptoms don't seem to match.  The bike's 
> still rideable, but this condition seems to be worsening.
> Any ideas about what might be causing this problem?  
> Thanks,
> Kevin
>

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[RBW] Re: Bleriot with Middle Ear Problem?

[Leslie]

I think Patrick and Jeremy have you covered, but, just trying to cover the 
bases.

The 'squirreliest' thinng I've felt, is a crank-arm coming loose; I doubt 
it, but, if the headset doesn't solve it, check the pedals, the crank 
arms and the saddle, too, if it shifted around a bit, it could feel, 
unusual   

Not that I think these are the problem, I'm still onboard w/ Jeremy's list, 
but, if all of them check out, those are what I'd check next...  

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[RBW] Re: Bleriot with Middle Ear Problem?

['jinxed' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I've been on two bikes that felt exactly like that, one while seated, the 
other while out of the saddle.

The seated one was an old Raleigh that the drive side chainstay had broken 
at the dropout. So even though it was the back wheel shifting, it showed up 
in the steering. Much like piloting a tandem when the stoker moves around 
excessively.

The out of the saddle one was an Alan bonded aluminum road bike. The seat 
tube had actually come unbonded at the BB "lug" and would pull out 
completely when standing and the bb would wag side to side. It would settle 
back in and look normal soon as you sat down or got off the bike. Took a 
while before happened to look down while out of the saddle. Really weird 
sensation that was hard to pinpoint. The steering just got real loose 
feeling, so I was focused on the front of the bike.

I would certainly fine tooth comb the frame if the headset turns out to be 
fine.

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[RBW] Re: Bleriot with Middle Ear Problem?

[Kevin Lindsey]

All -
Many thanks for the excellent suggestions.  I'll put the bike up on the 
stand this weekend and see if I can determine what's what.  
All the best,
Kevin

On Wednesday, October 28, 2015 at 12:22:21 PM UTC-4, jinxed wrote:
>
> I've been on two bikes that felt exactly like that, one while seated, the 
> other while out of the saddle.
>
> The seated one was an old Raleigh that the drive side chainstay had broken 
> at the dropout. So even though it was the back wheel shifting, it showed up 
> in the steering. Much like piloting a tandem when the stoker moves around 
> excessively.
>
> The out of the saddle one was an Alan bonded aluminum road bike. The seat 
> tube had actually come unbonded at the BB "lug" and would pull out 
> completely when standing and the bb would wag side to side. It would settle 
> back in and look normal soon as you sat down or got off the bike. Took a 
> while before happened to look down while out of the saddle. Really weird 
> sensation that was hard to pinpoint. The steering just got real loose 
> feeling, so I was focused on the front of the bike.
>
> I would certainly fine tooth comb the frame if the headset turns out to be 
> fine.
>

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[RBW] Re: Bleriot with Middle Ear Problem?

[Kurt Manley]

I wouldn't ride it till you get it figured out. I agree it sounds like a 
possible headset but I too have have similar issues when I have broken a 
frame (chainstay) and had a fork crack at the crown. Hope it's something 
easy but risking a frame failing completely isn't worth it.

On Wednesday, October 28, 2015 at 9:39:43 AM UTC-7, Kevin Lindsey wrote:
>
> All -
> Many thanks for the excellent suggestions.  I'll put the bike up on the 
> stand this weekend and see if I can determine what's what.  
> All the best,
> Kevin
>
> On Wednesday, October 28, 2015 at 12:22:21 PM UTC-4, jinxed wrote:
>>
>> I've been on two bikes that felt exactly like that, one while seated, the 
>> other while out of the saddle.
>>
>> The seated one was an old Raleigh that the drive side chainstay had 
>> broken at the dropout. So even though it was the back wheel shifting, it 
>> showed up in the steering. Much like piloting a tandem when the stoker 
>> moves around excessively.
>>
>> The out of the saddle one was an Alan bonded aluminum road bike. The seat 
>> tube had actually come unbonded at the BB "lug" and would pull out 
>> completely when standing and the bb would wag side to side. It would settle 
>> back in and look normal soon as you sat down or got off the bike. Took a 
>> while before happened to look down while out of the saddle. Really weird 
>> sensation that was hard to pinpoint. The steering just got real loose 
>> feeling, so I was focused on the front of the bike.
>>
>> I would certainly fine tooth comb the frame if the headset turns out to 
>> be fine.
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Bleriot with Middle Ear Problem?

[Deacon Patrick]

Headset bearings having created a rut? That happened with my QB recently, 
new headset fixed the issue. (new bearings may have done it too). With my 
vertigo (brain stem damage, rather than inner ear) -- it was a wild ride! 
Sardonic grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, October 27, 2015 at 1:26:14 PM UTC-6, Kevin Lindsey wrote:
>
> My Bleriot has begun acting strangely
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