Re: [RBW] Re: Will's Roadini SS

[Patrick Moore]

The Monocog 29er is a worthy steed; my present 2012 model (much modified
from the original by replacing crank, pedals, cog, brakes, bar, levers,
saddle) is my second; I had a 2010 even more modified with drop bar. I'd be
perfectly happy with the 2012 tho' it's far more beefy than I need if only
it had about 2 cm more clearance in back for a true 76 mm tire. As it is
the ~71-72 mm tire clears the stays by as little as 1 mm (tire wobbles) and
rubs at the slightest provocation.

If your tour was pre-fatbike, did you ever think of the SnoCat rims? I used
those on a Fargo until I switched to tubeless.

Do you have any photos of the touring Monocog?

On Thu, Dec 22, 2022 at 1:49 PM Wesley  wrote:

> Patrick, I think you've talked about having a Redline Monocog 29er... that
> was my more MTB-type single speed, too. I made it into an all-rounder by
> drilling and tapping the frame to mount rack and fenders, and I converted
> it to a manual 3-speed with three cog/chainring combinations that all added
> up to the same number of teeth. This was the bike that I built wheels for
> using unicycle rims for extra wideness. Finally, I put on Albatross bars
> and a CETMA front rack. In that configuration, I toured it from Fairbanks
> to Juneau, Alaska after I finished college at the University of Alaska
> Fairbanks. It was a very nice ride and I regret that I gave it away when I
> moved overseas for a few years.
> -Wes
>
> On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 9:48:43 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> I'd like to hear about and see photos of single-speeded or fix-ified
>> mountain bikes set up as all rounders. One of the nicest single
>> speeds/fixeds I owned, and one of the very few discarded bikes I wish I'd
>> kept (the others are largely ss or fixed too) was that very early '90s
>> Diamond Back Axis Team with TA Pro 5 Vis crank with 42 t ring on long
>> spindle pulling a 17t fixed cog for a 67" gear; Flite saddle and Noodles at
>> the perfect reach and height on a 10 cm Dirt Drop stem. The high bb let me
>> pedal at speed around corners and the handling, tho' a bit sedate by brisk
>> road bike standards, was entirely and wholly neutral and seamless and
>> pleasant.
>>
>> I've head of using a bb lockring as a lockring for a fixed cog, but I've
>> never bothered with one. I'll be interested in hearing if they add any
>> security.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 21, 2022 at 9:13 AM Coal Bee Rye Anne 
>> wrote:
>>
>> > To Patrick's note on using fixed cogs on standard freewheel
>> threading... aren't traditional cup/cone bottom bracket lockrings the same
>> threading (for the most part) and is there any value in using one of those
>> for extra security or is the same > direction threading pretty much render
>> them useless vs. the force that may be applied with firm backpedaling?
>> This is more a curiosity whether anyone has had success or failure
>> attempting this...
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Will's Roadini SS

[Patrick Moore]

I'm still curious whether righthand thread lockrings add any security to a
thread-on cog; it seems to me that butted tight against the cog, the cog
and lockring make up a single threaded piece that will respond to reverse
pressure just as the cog alone will. I'd be happy to hear more on the
subject. Perhaps it adds security simply by adding more threads to the
connection?

That said, again, I never had a problem with just a cog and no lockring;
and of course red Loctite will stick that cog onto the threads almost
permanently until you heat the stuff.

Patrick Moore, who did once torque the threads off a cheap stamped cog
*clockwise* on a cheap Normandy fw hub when accelerating hard from a light.

On Thu, Dec 22, 2022 at 7:47 AM Jingy  wrote:

> Brian wrote  < threading... aren't traditional cup/cone bottom bracket lockrings the same
> threading (for the most part) and is there any value in using one of those
> for extra security or is the same direction threading pretty much render
> them useless vs. the force that may be applied with firm backpedaling?
> This is more a curiosity whether anyone has had success or failure
> attempting this...>>
>
> Yes, an english thread BB lockring will fit the freewheel hub threads(not
> old weird french thread obviously) and can be used for extra security
> against the cog loosening up from backpedaling. I used this setup on a
> fixed gear commuter for a number of years. It may not be enough for tricky
> skids and other nonsense those fixie kids are into these days, but for
> normal riding it is quite helpful.
>
> Jim in Mpls
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Will's Roadini SS

[Wesley]

Patrick, I think you've talked about having a Redline Monocog 29er... that 
was my more MTB-type single speed, too. I made it into an all-rounder by 
drilling and tapping the frame to mount rack and fenders, and I converted 
it to a manual 3-speed with three cog/chainring combinations that all added 
up to the same number of teeth. This was the bike that I built wheels for 
using unicycle rims for extra wideness. Finally, I put on Albatross bars 
and a CETMA front rack. In that configuration, I toured it from Fairbanks 
to Juneau, Alaska after I finished college at the University of Alaska 
Fairbanks. It was a very nice ride and I regret that I gave it away when I 
moved overseas for a few years.
-Wes

On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 9:48:43 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I'd like to hear about and see photos of single-speeded or fix-ified 
> mountain bikes set up as all rounders. One of the nicest single 
> speeds/fixeds I owned, and one of the very few discarded bikes I wish I'd 
> kept (the others are largely ss or fixed too) was that very early '90s 
> Diamond Back Axis Team with TA Pro 5 Vis crank with 42 t ring on long 
> spindle pulling a 17t fixed cog for a 67" gear; Flite saddle and Noodles at 
> the perfect reach and height on a 10 cm Dirt Drop stem. The high bb let me 
> pedal at speed around corners and the handling, tho' a bit sedate by brisk 
> road bike standards, was entirely and wholly neutral and seamless and 
> pleasant. 
>
> I've head of using a bb lockring as a lockring for a fixed cog, but I've 
> never bothered with one. I'll be interested in hearing if they add any 
> security.
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 21, 2022 at 9:13 AM Coal Bee Rye Anne  
> wrote:
>
> > To Patrick's note on using fixed cogs on standard freewheel threading... 
> aren't traditional cup/cone bottom bracket lockrings the same threading 
> (for the most part) and is there any value in using one of those for extra 
> security or is the same > direction threading pretty much render them 
> useless vs. the force that may be applied with firm backpedaling?  This is 
> more a curiosity whether anyone has had success or failure attempting 
> this... 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Will's Roadini SS

[Coal Bee Rye Anne]

I've had thoughts of single speeding my Clem H and even had a Paul Melvin 
and SS cassette cog in reserve for when the time came.  That was until the 
Melvin was called upon for temporary use on an unrelated project only to 
end up getting mangled when a stick jammed into the rear wheel breaking 
spokes bending the main arm of the Melvin (fortunately Paul says they could 
supply replacement parts that may not be listed for sale on the site so 
just need to call to order when ready to put it the Melvin back in 
service.)  

I know others have single speeded their Clem's with WI Eno Eccentric hubs 
like Will did for his Roadini but I also just caught up with a recent VO 
newsletter highlighting projects to come in the new year and saw they have 
an eccentric BB coming for 68mm and 73mm shells.  It says for Hollowtech 
spindles and I do not currently have any Hollowtech cranks but will be 
curious to see what kind of total investment it may turn out to be compared 
to an ENO wheel to achieve a similar overall conversion.
https://velo-orange.com/blogs/favoritewriteups/vos-2022-year-in-review-and-a-peek-into-2023

Also worth noting is the forthcoming VO Rando frame with modular dropouts 
allowing either vertical or track end attachments.  They do not yet specify 
rear hub spacing but I'm guessing 130mm is likely.

On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 12:48:43 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I'd like to hear about and see photos of single-speeded or fix-ified 
> mountain bikes set up as all rounders. One of the nicest single 
> speeds/fixeds I owned, and one of the very few discarded bikes I wish I'd 
> kept (the others are largely ss or fixed too) was that very early '90s 
> Diamond Back Axis Team with TA Pro 5 Vis crank with 42 t ring on long 
> spindle pulling a 17t fixed cog for a 67" gear; Flite saddle and Noodles at 
> the perfect reach and height on a 10 cm Dirt Drop stem. The high bb let me 
> pedal at speed around corners and the handling, tho' a bit sedate by brisk 
> road bike standards, was entirely and wholly neutral and seamless and 
> pleasant. 
>
> I've head of using a bb lockring as a lockring for a fixed cog, but I've 
> never bothered with one. I'll be interested in hearing if they add any 
> security.
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 21, 2022 at 9:13 AM Coal Bee Rye Anne  
> wrote:
>
> > To Patrick's note on using fixed cogs on standard freewheel threading... 
> aren't traditional cup/cone bottom bracket lockrings the same threading 
> (for the most part) and is there any value in using one of those for extra 
> security or is the same > direction threading pretty much render them 
> useless vs. the force that may be applied with firm backpedaling?  This is 
> more a curiosity whether anyone has had success or failure attempting 
> this... 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Will's Roadini SS

[Patrick Moore]

I'd like to hear about and see photos of single-speeded or fix-ified
mountain bikes set up as all rounders. One of the nicest single
speeds/fixeds I owned, and one of the very few discarded bikes I wish I'd
kept (the others are largely ss or fixed too) was that very early '90s
Diamond Back Axis Team with TA Pro 5 Vis crank with 42 t ring on long
spindle pulling a 17t fixed cog for a 67" gear; Flite saddle and Noodles at
the perfect reach and height on a 10 cm Dirt Drop stem. The high bb let me
pedal at speed around corners and the handling, tho' a bit sedate by brisk
road bike standards, was entirely and wholly neutral and seamless and
pleasant.

I've head of using a bb lockring as a lockring for a fixed cog, but I've
never bothered with one. I'll be interested in hearing if they add any
security.


On Wed, Dec 21, 2022 at 9:13 AM Coal Bee Rye Anne <
lionsrugbyalu...@gmail.com> wrote:

> To Patrick's note on using fixed cogs on standard freewheel threading...
aren't traditional cup/cone bottom bracket lockrings the same threading
(for the most part) and is there any value in using one of those for extra
security or is the same > direction threading pretty much render them
useless vs. the force that may be applied with firm backpedaling?  This is
more a curiosity whether anyone has had success or failure attempting
this...

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[RBW] Re: Will's Roadini SS

[Jingy]

Brian wrote  <>

Yes, an english thread BB lockring will fit the freewheel hub threads(not 
old weird french thread obviously) and can be used for extra security 
against the cog loosening up from backpedaling. I used this setup on a 
fixed gear commuter for a number of years. It may not be enough for tricky 
skids and other nonsense those fixie kids are into these days, but for 
normal riding it is quite helpful.

Jim in Mpls


On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 11:54:19 AM UTC-6 Slin wrote:

> > I first tried a dedicated SS build on an old curbside rescue road bike 
> after a couple longer/hillier local rides where I just didn't shift and 
> realized those were some of my most enjoyable rides to date.
>
> This got me picturing Leah, aka BicycleBelleDingDing, with a third 
> Platypus, set up SS or fixed... and maybe bringing it on a club ride 
> sometime.
>
> On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 8:13:23 AM UTC-8 Coal Bee Rye Anne 
> wrote:
>
>> I've grown to appreciate both SS and fixed riding.  I had a whole 
>> separate draft reply started the other day on this thread but it kind of 
>> started going off the rails and deleted probably for the best.  I first 
>> tried a dedicated SS build on an old curbside rescue road bike after a 
>> couple longer/hillier local rides where I just didn't shift and realized 
>> those were some of my most enjoyable rides to date (~10yrs ago at the 
>> time.)  That rescued road bike was only my second bike and first actual 
>> road bike, complementing my old rigid 26" MTB.  I put enough work into it 
>> to get it rolling with the original 2x6 (stock 52-40 x 14-28) drivetrain 
>> and downtube shifters and enjoyed the luxury of bar/stem swapping with no 
>> shifters or excess cabling to address.  Those memorable no-shift, rolling, 
>> road rides I think I stayed in the 40x17 or 40x15, so when I later settled 
>> on a rebuild plan and drivetrain update for what was meant to remain a 
>> geared road bike I also took the opportunity to acquire a true SS rear 
>> wheel to ride while obtaining the rest of the build parts and/or 
>> cleaning/servicing whatever I'd reuse for the geared build.  There's a lot 
>> more to the story on this particular build, it's ultimate demise, and my 
>> personal evolution into DIY bike tinkering, finding my way here and to 
>> iBob, etc. which I will spare at this time, but that period of interim 
>> single speeding definitely converted me to a SS/fixed fan and I'd echo many 
>> comments and thoughts already added here and in Will's blog post.
>>
>> I now mix fixed and SS to a great degree and similar to Andrew, I also 
>> enjoy SS freewheeling on some of those longer/hillier rides (when time 
>> permits for more adventurous outings) and won't attempt to restate what he 
>> has already described so well.
>> One thing I will mention is when I did eventually try fixed for the first 
>> time, I found it to be equally exhilarating and nerve wracking, and kind of 
>> felt like re-learning how to ride a bike in a way, having never been 
>> directly attached to a drivetrain like that and unlearning decades of 
>> coasting habits!   I now really enjoy the feel of fixed for much of my 
>> local riding and expect to keep it in rotation with 2 different flip flop 
>> wheels on hand.
>>
>> To Patrick's note on using fixed cogs on standard freewheel threading... 
>> aren't traditional cup/cone bottom bracket lockrings the same threading 
>> (for the most part) and is there any value in using one of those for extra 
>> security or is the same direction threading pretty much render them useless 
>> vs. the force that may be applied with firm backpedaling?  This is more a 
>> curiosity whether anyone has had success or failure attempting this... and 
>> I forget the name for it but the chain wrap around the bottom bracket trick 
>> I also recall reading/viewing somewhere to tighten or help loosen stubborn 
>> fixed cogs with wheel mounted and bike flipped over... roto-fix or 
>> something, was that it?
>>
>> Brian Cole
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 20, 2022 at 3:16:08 PM UTC-5 andyree...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Fixed gear riding keeps you on your toes especially around traffic. It's 
>>> a fantastic feeling having the bike instantly react with your fast twitch 
>>> muscles that keeps you really focused on the 'now.' I also think it makes 
>>> you a way better driver because it teaches you to scan your surroundings 
>>> efficiently. Single speed is much more relaxing and cathartic, and IMO 
>>> better suited for longer, hillier rides. My favorite things in life are the 
>>> ones you don't notice you're using and riding single speed puts a sorta 
>>> invisible shroud over your bike, leaving you to enjoy the scenery more and 
>>> think about your bike, less. 
>>>
>>> I'll definitely be going back and forth between 8 speed downtube 
>>> shifting and SS on my new Roadini thanks to Will's post...at least until my 
>>> knees start to complain. 
>>>
>>> Andrew 
>>> TN
>>>

[RBW] Re: Will's Roadini SS

[Slin]

> I first tried a dedicated SS build on an old curbside rescue road bike 
after a couple longer/hillier local rides where I just didn't shift and 
realized those were some of my most enjoyable rides to date.

This got me picturing Leah, aka BicycleBelleDingDing, with a third 
Platypus, set up SS or fixed... and maybe bringing it on a club ride 
sometime.

On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 8:13:23 AM UTC-8 Coal Bee Rye Anne wrote:

> I've grown to appreciate both SS and fixed riding.  I had a whole separate 
> draft reply started the other day on this thread but it kind of started 
> going off the rails and deleted probably for the best.  I first tried a 
> dedicated SS build on an old curbside rescue road bike after a couple 
> longer/hillier local rides where I just didn't shift and realized those 
> were some of my most enjoyable rides to date (~10yrs ago at the time.)  
> That rescued road bike was only my second bike and first actual road bike, 
> complementing my old rigid 26" MTB.  I put enough work into it to get it 
> rolling with the original 2x6 (stock 52-40 x 14-28) drivetrain and downtube 
> shifters and enjoyed the luxury of bar/stem swapping with no shifters or 
> excess cabling to address.  Those memorable no-shift, rolling, road rides I 
> think I stayed in the 40x17 or 40x15, so when I later settled on a rebuild 
> plan and drivetrain update for what was meant to remain a geared road bike 
> I also took the opportunity to acquire a true SS rear wheel to ride while 
> obtaining the rest of the build parts and/or cleaning/servicing whatever 
> I'd reuse for the geared build.  There's a lot more to the story on this 
> particular build, it's ultimate demise, and my personal evolution into DIY 
> bike tinkering, finding my way here and to iBob, etc. which I will spare at 
> this time, but that period of interim single speeding definitely converted 
> me to a SS/fixed fan and I'd echo many comments and thoughts already added 
> here and in Will's blog post.
>
> I now mix fixed and SS to a great degree and similar to Andrew, I also 
> enjoy SS freewheeling on some of those longer/hillier rides (when time 
> permits for more adventurous outings) and won't attempt to restate what he 
> has already described so well.
> One thing I will mention is when I did eventually try fixed for the first 
> time, I found it to be equally exhilarating and nerve wracking, and kind of 
> felt like re-learning how to ride a bike in a way, having never been 
> directly attached to a drivetrain like that and unlearning decades of 
> coasting habits!   I now really enjoy the feel of fixed for much of my 
> local riding and expect to keep it in rotation with 2 different flip flop 
> wheels on hand.
>
> To Patrick's note on using fixed cogs on standard freewheel threading... 
> aren't traditional cup/cone bottom bracket lockrings the same threading 
> (for the most part) and is there any value in using one of those for extra 
> security or is the same direction threading pretty much render them useless 
> vs. the force that may be applied with firm backpedaling?  This is more a 
> curiosity whether anyone has had success or failure attempting this... and 
> I forget the name for it but the chain wrap around the bottom bracket trick 
> I also recall reading/viewing somewhere to tighten or help loosen stubborn 
> fixed cogs with wheel mounted and bike flipped over... roto-fix or 
> something, was that it?
>
> Brian Cole
>
> On Tuesday, December 20, 2022 at 3:16:08 PM UTC-5 andyree...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Fixed gear riding keeps you on your toes especially around traffic. It's 
>> a fantastic feeling having the bike instantly react with your fast twitch 
>> muscles that keeps you really focused on the 'now.' I also think it makes 
>> you a way better driver because it teaches you to scan your surroundings 
>> efficiently. Single speed is much more relaxing and cathartic, and IMO 
>> better suited for longer, hillier rides. My favorite things in life are the 
>> ones you don't notice you're using and riding single speed puts a sorta 
>> invisible shroud over your bike, leaving you to enjoy the scenery more and 
>> think about your bike, less. 
>>
>> I'll definitely be going back and forth between 8 speed downtube shifting 
>> and SS on my new Roadini thanks to Will's post...at least until my knees 
>> start to complain. 
>>
>> Andrew 
>> TN
>>
>>
>> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 2:02:46 PM UTC-6 bmfo...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I rode fixed when I first got into cycling. Now 75% or so of my bikes 
>>> are single speeds and I have no fixed gears. The main thing I like about SS 
>>> vs fixed is being able to have my feet/cranks in the ideal position 
>>> whenever I want. Also yeah, coasting rules.
>>>
>>> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 1:30:55 PM UTC-6 Wesley wrote:
>>>
 Hi John,
 You're missing out on coasting! I tried fixed-gear once and can't 
 imagine why it became a popular way to ride around 2010. 

[RBW] Re: Will's Roadini SS

[Coal Bee Rye Anne]

I've grown to appreciate both SS and fixed riding.  I had a whole separate 
draft reply started the other day on this thread but it kind of started 
going off the rails and deleted probably for the best.  I first tried a 
dedicated SS build on an old curbside rescue road bike after a couple 
longer/hillier local rides where I just didn't shift and realized those 
were some of my most enjoyable rides to date (~10yrs ago at the time.)  
That rescued road bike was only my second bike and first actual road bike, 
complementing my old rigid 26" MTB.  I put enough work into it to get it 
rolling with the original 2x6 (stock 52-40 x 14-28) drivetrain and downtube 
shifters and enjoyed the luxury of bar/stem swapping with no shifters or 
excess cabling to address.  Those memorable no-shift, rolling, road rides I 
think I stayed in the 40x17 or 40x15, so when I later settled on a rebuild 
plan and drivetrain update for what was meant to remain a geared road bike 
I also took the opportunity to acquire a true SS rear wheel to ride while 
obtaining the rest of the build parts and/or cleaning/servicing whatever 
I'd reuse for the geared build.  There's a lot more to the story on this 
particular build, it's ultimate demise, and my personal evolution into DIY 
bike tinkering, finding my way here and to iBob, etc. which I will spare at 
this time, but that period of interim single speeding definitely converted 
me to a SS/fixed fan and I'd echo many comments and thoughts already added 
here and in Will's blog post.

I now mix fixed and SS to a great degree and similar to Andrew, I also 
enjoy SS freewheeling on some of those longer/hillier rides (when time 
permits for more adventurous outings) and won't attempt to restate what he 
has already described so well.
One thing I will mention is when I did eventually try fixed for the first 
time, I found it to be equally exhilarating and nerve wracking, and kind of 
felt like re-learning how to ride a bike in a way, having never been 
directly attached to a drivetrain like that and unlearning decades of 
coasting habits!   I now really enjoy the feel of fixed for much of my 
local riding and expect to keep it in rotation with 2 different flip flop 
wheels on hand.

To Patrick's note on using fixed cogs on standard freewheel threading... 
aren't traditional cup/cone bottom bracket lockrings the same threading 
(for the most part) and is there any value in using one of those for extra 
security or is the same direction threading pretty much render them useless 
vs. the force that may be applied with firm backpedaling?  This is more a 
curiosity whether anyone has had success or failure attempting this... and 
I forget the name for it but the chain wrap around the bottom bracket trick 
I also recall reading/viewing somewhere to tighten or help loosen stubborn 
fixed cogs with wheel mounted and bike flipped over... roto-fix or 
something, was that it?

Brian Cole

On Tuesday, December 20, 2022 at 3:16:08 PM UTC-5 andyree...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Fixed gear riding keeps you on your toes especially around traffic. It's a 
> fantastic feeling having the bike instantly react with your fast twitch 
> muscles that keeps you really focused on the 'now.' I also think it makes 
> you a way better driver because it teaches you to scan your surroundings 
> efficiently. Single speed is much more relaxing and cathartic, and IMO 
> better suited for longer, hillier rides. My favorite things in life are the 
> ones you don't notice you're using and riding single speed puts a sorta 
> invisible shroud over your bike, leaving you to enjoy the scenery more and 
> think about your bike, less. 
>
> I'll definitely be going back and forth between 8 speed downtube shifting 
> and SS on my new Roadini thanks to Will's post...at least until my knees 
> start to complain. 
>
> Andrew 
> TN
>
>
> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 2:02:46 PM UTC-6 bmfo...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I rode fixed when I first got into cycling. Now 75% or so of my bikes are 
>> single speeds and I have no fixed gears. The main thing I like about SS vs 
>> fixed is being able to have my feet/cranks in the ideal position whenever I 
>> want. Also yeah, coasting rules.
>>
>> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 1:30:55 PM UTC-6 Wesley wrote:
>>
>>> Hi John,
>>> You're missing out on coasting! I tried fixed-gear once and can't 
>>> imagine why it became a popular way to ride around 2010. Especially if your 
>>> single speed is geared low for climbing, it is a relief to be able to relax 
>>> on the descent.
>>> -Wes
>>>
>>> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 9:11:03 AM UTC-8 JohnS wrote:
>>>
 Hello Ryan,

 I'm very inspired my Will's Roadini build as well. I haven't done much 
 SS riding, I'm more of a fixed or multi-gear rider. How do people feel 
 about SS vs. fixed? Am I missing something by not riding SS some of the 
 time?

 Thanks,
 JohnS


 On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 10:57:35 AM UTC-5 

Re: [RBW] Re: Will's Roadini SS

[Patrick Moore]

Ryan: it's perfectly safe to ride with a fixed cog screwed to a freewheel
hub; just don't use backpressure, or don't use it very hard. I rode
thousands of miles like this with no lockring.

But you can put Loctite on the threads too. Before I learned that red
Loctite requires heat to break the bond, I resorted to my bench vise to
remove a high-quality -- Dura Ace -- track cog that I'd Loctited onto an
ENO hub with Red, using the rim as the lever. I applied all my strength but
couldn't budge it; in fact, I shattered the cog int 3 pieces and put tiny
little waves into the ENO threads (it was still usable, thank God). So a
bit of red Loctite would be a practically as secure as a reverse-threaded
lockring.

On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 10:30 AM Ryan  wrote:

> And I'd probably need a new wheel; my  Peugeot has a 126 OLN Campy 36-hole
> Record hub.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Will's Roadini SS

[Patrick Moore]

I prefer fixed over ss for road riding, even though I am now down to a
single fixed gear bike. While I do love my AM (close-sh ratio: 72" 65" 56")
IGH -- I ride it like a ss with 3 ranges -- I do miss doing my mostly
flatland recreational grocery rides -- 11 to 20 loaded miles -- on a fixed
gear, and in fact have a sub-120 mm fixed/free hub waiting to be built into
an alternative wheel for this bike (2020 Matthews #2). With wingnuts and a
17/19 Dingle cog I should be able to handle headwinds with panniers.

OTOH, I do prefer ss for dirt riding; tried fixed off road with 175 mm
cranks and really hated downhills and tail winds without being able to
coast. I think I had the bike geared at about 64" per the 63xc.com site.
Switched to 64" ss and 170s with great relief. My current Monocog 29er is
geared at 65" and with 71mm tires (back to 175s tho') it's great for
flatland sandy trails.

On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 10:11 AM JohnS  wrote:

> ... . How do people feel about SS vs. fixed? Am I missing something by not
> riding SS some of the time?
>
> Thanks,
> JohnS
>

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[RBW] Re: Will's Roadini SS

[Andrew Turner]

Fixed gear riding keeps you on your toes especially around traffic. It's a 
fantastic feeling having the bike instantly react with your fast twitch 
muscles that keeps you really focused on the 'now.' I also think it makes 
you a way better driver because it teaches you to scan your surroundings 
efficiently. Single speed is much more relaxing and cathartic, and IMO 
better suited for longer, hillier rides. My favorite things in life are the 
ones you don't notice you're using and riding single speed puts a sorta 
invisible shroud over your bike, leaving you to enjoy the scenery more and 
think about your bike, less. 

I'll definitely be going back and forth between 8 speed downtube shifting 
and SS on my new Roadini thanks to Will's post...at least until my knees 
start to complain. 

Andrew 
TN


On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 2:02:46 PM UTC-6 bmfo...@gmail.com wrote:

> I rode fixed when I first got into cycling. Now 75% or so of my bikes are 
> single speeds and I have no fixed gears. The main thing I like about SS vs 
> fixed is being able to have my feet/cranks in the ideal position whenever I 
> want. Also yeah, coasting rules.
>
> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 1:30:55 PM UTC-6 Wesley wrote:
>
>> Hi John,
>> You're missing out on coasting! I tried fixed-gear once and can't imagine 
>> why it became a popular way to ride around 2010. Especially if your single 
>> speed is geared low for climbing, it is a relief to be able to relax on the 
>> descent.
>> -Wes
>>
>> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 9:11:03 AM UTC-8 JohnS wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Ryan,
>>>
>>> I'm very inspired my Will's Roadini build as well. I haven't done much 
>>> SS riding, I'm more of a fixed or multi-gear rider. How do people feel 
>>> about SS vs. fixed? Am I missing something by not riding SS some of the 
>>> time?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> JohnS
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 10:57:35 AM UTC-5 Ryan wrote:
>>>
 Have to say...I like that bike a lot. Very clean and elegant

 And Will's post : 
 https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news/singlespeed-roadini?mc_cid=1ea8aef045_eid=0074b52ae1
  
 nails what I like about single-speeds; for some years now my SS PX-10 has 
 been a fave. Apologies to Rivendell but riding that old Peugeot IS 
 addictive.  I am curious to see the landing of the Roaduno in 2023

>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Will's Roadini SS

[JohnS]

On my Quickbeam there is a fixed 18 cog that I use all the time and on the 
other side is a fixed 16 that I never use. So as long as I can get it off 
the hub, I'll try one of the SS freewheels that I have. Should be able to 
work on it over the Christmas break. 

I agree Philip, changing tires, swapping bars, adding/removing 
fenders/racks all make a bike seem like new.

On the upside of fixed gear riding, I can do a very good track stand, being 
able to push forward or backward just makes it so much easier. I don't even 
try on my multi-geared bikes any more.

Thanks,
JohnS
On Saturday, December 17, 2022 at 2:14:52 PM UTC-5 Philip Williamson wrote:

> I’m a big fan of riding fixed. It just feels good to me, but I’m not an 
> evangelist: “more for me, I guess!” I like having a second gear option (two 
> rings, dingle cog), but almost never use the low gear. 
>
> Will’s Roadini is like a Golden Age tribute bike. I love it. Now I kinda 
> want one, but I’ll go swap tires around on the bikes I’ve got, instead. 
>
> Philip
> Sonoma County, Calif
>
> On Sat, Dec 17, 2022 at 11:02 AM Berkeleyan  wrote:
>
>> It's a different ride, and a fun ride, to have a single speed. I have a 
>> Dos Eno on my QuickBeam, but still stay primarily on the 15 tooth sprocket. 
>> The 17 comes into play for East Bay hills, but I rode (with camping gear) 
>> in the 15 from Berkeley to the Entmoot in Marin via San Francisco and 
>> Sausalito/Tiburon, and it was delightful. With no levers to move, you focus 
>> on building momentum, and save strength for hills.
>>
>> - Andrew, Berkeley
>>
>> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 7:57:35 AM UTC-8 Ryan wrote:
>>
>>> Have to say...I like that bike a lot. Very clean and elegant
>>>
>>> And Will's post : 
>>> https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news/singlespeed-roadini?mc_cid=1ea8aef045_eid=0074b52ae1
>>>  
>>> nails what I like about single-speeds; for some years now my SS PX-10 has 
>>> been a fave. Apologies to Rivendell but riding that old Peugeot IS 
>>> addictive.  I am curious to see the landing of the Roaduno in 2023
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Will's Roadini SS

[Philip Williamson]

I’m a big fan of riding fixed. It just feels good to me, but I’m not an
evangelist: “more for me, I guess!” I like having a second gear option (two
rings, dingle cog), but almost never use the low gear.

Will’s Roadini is like a Golden Age tribute bike. I love it. Now I kinda
want one, but I’ll go swap tires around on the bikes I’ve got, instead.

Philip
Sonoma County, Calif

On Sat, Dec 17, 2022 at 11:02 AM Berkeleyan  wrote:

> It's a different ride, and a fun ride, to have a single speed. I have a
> Dos Eno on my QuickBeam, but still stay primarily on the 15 tooth sprocket.
> The 17 comes into play for East Bay hills, but I rode (with camping gear)
> in the 15 from Berkeley to the Entmoot in Marin via San Francisco and
> Sausalito/Tiburon, and it was delightful. With no levers to move, you focus
> on building momentum, and save strength for hills.
>
> - Andrew, Berkeley
>
> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 7:57:35 AM UTC-8 Ryan wrote:
>
>> Have to say...I like that bike a lot. Very clean and elegant
>>
>> And Will's post :
>> https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news/singlespeed-roadini?mc_cid=1ea8aef045_eid=0074b52ae1
>> nails what I like about single-speeds; for some years now my SS PX-10 has
>> been a fave. Apologies to Rivendell but riding that old Peugeot IS
>> addictive.  I am curious to see the landing of the Roaduno in 2023
>>
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[RBW] Re: Will's Roadini SS

[Berkeleyan]

It's a different ride, and a fun ride, to have a single speed. I have a Dos 
Eno on my QuickBeam, but still stay primarily on the 15 tooth sprocket. The 
17 comes into play for East Bay hills, but I rode (with camping gear) in 
the 15 from Berkeley to the Entmoot in Marin via San Francisco and 
Sausalito/Tiburon, and it was delightful. With no levers to move, you focus 
on building momentum, and save strength for hills.

- Andrew, Berkeley

On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 7:57:35 AM UTC-8 Ryan wrote:

> Have to say...I like that bike a lot. Very clean and elegant
>
> And Will's post : 
> https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news/singlespeed-roadini?mc_cid=1ea8aef045_eid=0074b52ae1
>  
> nails what I like about single-speeds; for some years now my SS PX-10 has 
> been a fave. Apologies to Rivendell but riding that old Peugeot IS 
> addictive.  I am curious to see the landing of the Roaduno in 2023
>

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[RBW] Re: Will's Roadini SS

[Brian Forsee]

I rode fixed when I first got into cycling. Now 75% or so of my bikes are 
single speeds and I have no fixed gears. The main thing I like about SS vs 
fixed is being able to have my feet/cranks in the ideal position whenever I 
want. Also yeah, coasting rules.

On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 1:30:55 PM UTC-6 Wesley wrote:

> Hi John,
> You're missing out on coasting! I tried fixed-gear once and can't imagine 
> why it became a popular way to ride around 2010. Especially if your single 
> speed is geared low for climbing, it is a relief to be able to relax on the 
> descent.
> -Wes
>
> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 9:11:03 AM UTC-8 JohnS wrote:
>
>> Hello Ryan,
>>
>> I'm very inspired my Will's Roadini build as well. I haven't done much SS 
>> riding, I'm more of a fixed or multi-gear rider. How do people feel about 
>> SS vs. fixed? Am I missing something by not riding SS some of the time?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> JohnS
>>
>>
>> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 10:57:35 AM UTC-5 Ryan wrote:
>>
>>> Have to say...I like that bike a lot. Very clean and elegant
>>>
>>> And Will's post : 
>>> https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news/singlespeed-roadini?mc_cid=1ea8aef045_eid=0074b52ae1
>>>  
>>> nails what I like about single-speeds; for some years now my SS PX-10 has 
>>> been a fave. Apologies to Rivendell but riding that old Peugeot IS 
>>> addictive.  I am curious to see the landing of the Roaduno in 2023
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Will's Roadini SS

[Wesley]

Hi John,
You're missing out on coasting! I tried fixed-gear once and can't imagine 
why it became a popular way to ride around 2010. Especially if your single 
speed is geared low for climbing, it is a relief to be able to relax on the 
descent.
-Wes

On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 9:11:03 AM UTC-8 JohnS wrote:

> Hello Ryan,
>
> I'm very inspired my Will's Roadini build as well. I haven't done much SS 
> riding, I'm more of a fixed or multi-gear rider. How do people feel about 
> SS vs. fixed? Am I missing something by not riding SS some of the time?
>
> Thanks,
> JohnS
>
>
> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 10:57:35 AM UTC-5 Ryan wrote:
>
>> Have to say...I like that bike a lot. Very clean and elegant
>>
>> And Will's post : 
>> https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news/singlespeed-roadini?mc_cid=1ea8aef045_eid=0074b52ae1
>>  
>> nails what I like about single-speeds; for some years now my SS PX-10 has 
>> been a fave. Apologies to Rivendell but riding that old Peugeot IS 
>> addictive.  I am curious to see the landing of the Roaduno in 2023
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Will's Roadini SS

[maxcr]

I owned a SimpleOne for a minute and I could relate to most of what Will 
mentioned in his blog, in fact his writing made me want to go back to SS as 
well.

The rear end of the bike definitely feels light and not dealing with 
derailleurs is liberating. For me coasting is just relaxing, and knowing I 
don't have to prepare my gears for whatever comes next after stopping made 
the ride more fun. For my flat-ish commute, the SimpleOne was great: fast, 
light... simple. (why did I sell it again?)

Fixed vs SS - I don't know, but for me fixed never felt good, mostly the 
slowing down and braking part. Maybe I should have given it more time.

Max

On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 12:11:03 PM UTC-5 JohnS wrote:

> Hello Ryan,
>
> I'm very inspired my Will's Roadini build as well. I haven't done much SS 
> riding, I'm more of a fixed or multi-gear rider. How do people feel about 
> SS vs. fixed? Am I missing something by not riding SS some of the time?
>
> Thanks,
> JohnS
>
>
> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 10:57:35 AM UTC-5 Ryan wrote:
>
>> Have to say...I like that bike a lot. Very clean and elegant
>>
>> And Will's post : 
>> https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news/singlespeed-roadini?mc_cid=1ea8aef045_eid=0074b52ae1
>>  
>> nails what I like about single-speeds; for some years now my SS PX-10 has 
>> been a fave. Apologies to Rivendell but riding that old Peugeot IS 
>> addictive.  I am curious to see the landing of the Roaduno in 2023
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Will's Roadini SS

[Ryan]

Have to admit I haven't worked up the nerve for fixed. Props to those who 
do ride fixed. And I'd probably need a new wheel; my  Peugeot has a 126 OLN 
Campy 36-hole Record hub. I just love the simplicity and 
silence...particularly after I ditched an inexpensive SS freewheel for a WI 
ENO. Why did I do that for a 50 year-old frame with, to put it kindly, a 
paint job with a lot of  beausage? Who knows. But the bike runs great. 

On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 11:11:03 AM UTC-6 JohnS wrote:

> Hello Ryan,
>
> I'm very inspired my Will's Roadini build as well. I haven't done much SS 
> riding, I'm more of a fixed or multi-gear rider. How do people feel about 
> SS vs. fixed? Am I missing something by not riding SS some of the time?
>
> Thanks,
> JohnS
>
>
> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 10:57:35 AM UTC-5 Ryan wrote:
>
>> Have to say...I like that bike a lot. Very clean and elegant
>>
>> And Will's post : 
>> https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news/singlespeed-roadini?mc_cid=1ea8aef045_eid=0074b52ae1
>>  
>> nails what I like about single-speeds; for some years now my SS PX-10 has 
>> been a fave. Apologies to Rivendell but riding that old Peugeot IS 
>> addictive.  I am curious to see the landing of the Roaduno in 2023
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Will's Roadini SS

[JohnS]

Hello Ryan,

I'm very inspired my Will's Roadini build as well. I haven't done much SS 
riding, I'm more of a fixed or multi-gear rider. How do people feel about 
SS vs. fixed? Am I missing something by not riding SS some of the time?

Thanks,
JohnS


On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 10:57:35 AM UTC-5 Ryan wrote:

> Have to say...I like that bike a lot. Very clean and elegant
>
> And Will's post : 
> https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news/singlespeed-roadini?mc_cid=1ea8aef045_eid=0074b52ae1
>  
> nails what I like about single-speeds; for some years now my SS PX-10 has 
> been a fave. Apologies to Rivendell but riding that old Peugeot IS 
> addictive.  I am curious to see the landing of the Roaduno in 2023
>

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