WRe: [RBW] Best Rivendell for pavement riding

[Robert Calton]

Will confirmed both the Atlantis and the Homer are slated for 2025.
On Wednesday, April 17, 2024 at 3:43:46 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> All I've seen is this quote from the Email Update:
>
> "After we get Susies, we'll have Sams 
>  in May/June 
> and then Roadunos. More info on that next week, probably. "
>
>  this tells me it always changes, and so we've got to plan based on the 
> latest info.  If you are patiently waiting for something super specific, 
> it's a good idea to email Will about it.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Wednesday, April 17, 2024 at 12:34:24 PM UTC-7 Robert Calton wrote:
>
>> @Luke: Where did you see the Atlantis was going to be available this 
>> year? I've not seen it on the roadmap that was posted around. Anyone have 
>> more info on this? 
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 1:28:35 AM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>>
>>> Worth noting: the Atlantis *will* be available later this year. 
>>
>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, March 4, 2024 at 9:57:14 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 The other way to discover what you really want to ride is to buy a lot 
 of bikes that sort of look like what you want (you are not sure what you 
 want), upgrade them all, repeat several times as you try to perfect 
 previously unrealized imperfections, then sell them at a loss. Do this for 
 a couple of decades, then buy customs. This method costs a bit more than 
 the other one.

 But yes, ride lots of Rivendells. All those I've owned (I bought 5 
 including a 2nd-gen Ram and kept one that will turn 25 in April) all had a 
 certain common handling and "feel" in common. And I do think that a Ram, 
 if 
 you don't want to spring for a Roadeo, might well be what you are looking 
 for.


 On Mon, Mar 4, 2024 at 7:39 PM Corwin Zechar  wrote:

> ... Ride lots of bikes - Rivendells if possible. Think carefully about 
> what you want. Don't be afraid to try different things. Meditate on the 
> differences. And most of all, practice patience if you are looking for a 
> Ram.
>


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Re: [RBW] Best Rivendell for pavement riding

[Bill Lindsay]

All I've seen is this quote from the Email Update:

"After we get Susies, we'll have Sams 
 in May/June and 
then Roadunos. More info on that next week, probably. "

 this tells me it always changes, and so we've got to plan based on the 
latest info.  If you are patiently waiting for something super specific, 
it's a good idea to email Will about it.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Wednesday, April 17, 2024 at 12:34:24 PM UTC-7 Robert Calton wrote:

> @Luke: Where did you see the Atlantis was going to be available this year? 
> I've not seen it on the roadmap that was posted around. Anyone have more 
> info on this? 
>
> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 1:28:35 AM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>
>> Worth noting: the Atlantis *will* be available later this year. 
>
>
>>
>> On Monday, March 4, 2024 at 9:57:14 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> The other way to discover what you really want to ride is to buy a lot 
>>> of bikes that sort of look like what you want (you are not sure what you 
>>> want), upgrade them all, repeat several times as you try to perfect 
>>> previously unrealized imperfections, then sell them at a loss. Do this for 
>>> a couple of decades, then buy customs. This method costs a bit more than 
>>> the other one.
>>>
>>> But yes, ride lots of Rivendells. All those I've owned (I bought 5 
>>> including a 2nd-gen Ram and kept one that will turn 25 in April) all had a 
>>> certain common handling and "feel" in common. And I do think that a Ram, if 
>>> you don't want to spring for a Roadeo, might well be what you are looking 
>>> for.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 4, 2024 at 7:39 PM Corwin Zechar  wrote:
>>>
 ... Ride lots of bikes - Rivendells if possible. Think carefully about 
 what you want. Don't be afraid to try different things. Meditate on the 
 differences. And most of all, practice patience if you are looking for a 
 Ram.

>>>

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Re: [RBW] Best Rivendell for pavement riding

[Robert Calton]

@Luke: Where did you see the Atlantis was going to be available this year? 
I've not seen it on the roadmap that was posted around. Anyone have more 
info on this? 

On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 1:28:35 AM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:

> Worth noting: the Atlantis *will* be available later this year. 
>
> On Monday, March 4, 2024 at 9:57:14 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> The other way to discover what you really want to ride is to buy a lot of 
>> bikes that sort of look like what you want (you are not sure what you 
>> want), upgrade them all, repeat several times as you try to perfect 
>> previously unrealized imperfections, then sell them at a loss. Do this for 
>> a couple of decades, then buy customs. This method costs a bit more than 
>> the other one.
>>
>> But yes, ride lots of Rivendells. All those I've owned (I bought 5 
>> including a 2nd-gen Ram and kept one that will turn 25 in April) all had a 
>> certain common handling and "feel" in common. And I do think that a Ram, if 
>> you don't want to spring for a Roadeo, might well be what you are looking 
>> for.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 4, 2024 at 7:39 PM Corwin Zechar  wrote:
>>
>>> ... Ride lots of bikes - Rivendells if possible. Think carefully about 
>>> what you want. Don't be afraid to try different things. Meditate on the 
>>> differences. And most of all, practice patience if you are looking for a 
>>> Ram.
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Best Rivendell for pavement riding

[Kim H.]

@Laing,
You have spoken about your great collection many times. Now the reveal. All 
I have to say is, WOW !
Thank-you for sharing.

Kim Hetzel 

On Thursday, March 7, 2024 at 6:15:26 AM UTC-8 lconley wrote:

> Or you can buy a bunch of Rivendells and keep most of them
>
> [image: IMG_0034s.JPG]
> [image: IMG_0031s.JPG]
>
> Note that comfort depends a lot upon your body proportions. When I finally 
> got a Rivendell custom for my drop bar road bike, the top tube was 10 cm 
> longer than the seat tube.
>
> Laing
>
> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 12:57:14 AM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> The other way to discover what you really want to ride is to buy a lot of 
>> bikes that sort of look like what you want (you are not sure what you 
>> want), upgrade them all, repeat several times as you try to perfect 
>> previously unrealized imperfections, then sell them at a loss. Do this for 
>> a couple of decades, then buy customs. This method costs a bit more than 
>> the other one.
>>
>> But yes, ride lots of Rivendells. All those I've owned (I bought 5 
>> including a 2nd-gen Ram and kept one that will turn 25 in April) all had a 
>> certain common handling and "feel" in common. And I do think that a Ram, if 
>> you don't want to spring for a Roadeo, might well be what you are looking 
>> for.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 4, 2024 at 7:39 PM Corwin Zechar  wrote:
>>
>>> ... Ride lots of bikes - Rivendells if possible. Think carefully about 
>>> what you want. Don't be afraid to try different things. Meditate on the 
>>> differences. And most of all, practice patience if you are looking for a 
>>> Ram.
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Best Rivendell for pavement riding

['Jonathan Poor' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Curious, what is a "tubeless tubular"?  My tubulars (aka "sewups") have 
tubes. 

Jonathan



On Friday, March 8, 2024 at 11:22:54 PM UTC-5 Max S wrote:

> Ye!! We should start a separate thread of Rivendells rolling on 
> tubulars... 
>
> BTW, check out these babies 
> ...
>  
> 36  
> and 40  
> mm wide tubeless tubulars. Yes, you read that right. I happen to have a set 
> of the 36es, and lemme tell ya – the ride is amazing! 
>
> - Max "totally tubular, man!" in A2
>
> On Friday, March 8, 2024 at 6:07:20 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Max S said "Do eet! "
>>
>> I did not "Do eet! " 
>> I did not even do "eet!"
>> but I did do "it"
>>
>> I finally made an offer and got an all metal tubular wheel set on eBay 
>> that can go on my Rivendell Legolas.  It's another set of HED Ardennes 
>> wheels, which make them interchangeable with a few other bikes.  The wheel 
>> set comes with a set of cross knobbies, which need to be glued, or maybe 
>> I'll use some 30mm road tires that I've already got handy.  Max made me doo 
>> eeet.
>>
>> BL in EC
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 6, 2024 at 5:54:54 PM UTC-8 Max S wrote:
>>
>>> Do eet! 
>>>
>>> - Max "Knock-knock... Hi! Have you heard the good news about carbon 
>>> tubulars?.." in A2
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, March 6, 2024 at 2:26:30 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 I have a tubular wheel set for my Roadeo also.  We're a GANG

 BL in EC

 On Wednesday, March 6, 2024 at 11:15:09 AM UTC-8 cz...@sonic.net wrote:

> Hey Max -
>
> If you are one of two people worldwide that run sew-ups on a Riv, I am 
> the other one. I had Rich build a set of wheels for sew-ups so I could 
> run 
> them on any of four Rivs (my wife would not tolerate 33mm tires on the 
> Hubbuhubbuh after riding 71mm tires).
>
> Regards,
>
> Corwin
>
> On Wednesday, March 6, 2024 at 6:15:09 AM UTC-8 Max S wrote:
>
>>
>> *"My first thought when I saw your RIvendell was:*
>> *Off With 'is 'ead!!!*
>> *Pure blasphemy. I love it." *
>>
>> Well, yes, thank you – shock and awe was part of the intent for this 
>> Halloween special "Iron Pumpkin" build  :-) 
>> BTW, those wheels are tubulars... I might be one of two people 
>> worldwide that run sew-up tires on a Riv?.. 
>>
>> - Max "totally tubular" in A2
>> On Wednesday, March 6, 2024 at 6:25:59 AM UTC-5 mathiass...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> @Max
>>> My first thought when I saw your RIvendell was:
>>> Off With 'is 'ead!!!
>>> Pure blasphemy. I love it.
>>>
>>> I reckon we can't complain -- they don't make SILVER carbon wheels 
>>> yet. You're forgiven.
>>>
>>> [Extra blather: Personally, I can't get into single speed. I went as 
>>> far as not shifting for a week on my commute in order to see if I 
>>> wanted to 
>>> go SS for that purpose. 
>>> Can't do it. Even my snow bike has an IGH and I use the low and 
>>> middle gears every ride.]
>>> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 6:50:06 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 Now *that's* got to be the most different, unique, idiosyncratic 
 Rivendell build I've seen; kudos for doing things your way!

 Reminds me of a mountain bike I saw parked at my WDC apartment back 
 about 1987 with (IIRC) Scott AT-4 bar, disc wheels, and 1.5" Fatboy 
 slicks.

 On Tue, Mar 5, 2024 at 4:23 PM Max S  wrote:

> Here's my favorite Riv for pavement (and dirt) riding (tires and 
> wheels are #1 and #2 concerns, saddle-to-bar drop is #3, and close 
> behind 
> that is picking a reasonably fast color): 
>
> [image: QuickBeam - Enve 67 carbon wheels - drive side.jpeg]
>
> - Max "orange you glad I didn't say banana?" in A2
>
> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 4:18:43 PM UTC-5 J J wrote:
>
>> Chuck, I believe the best Rivendell for pavement riding is 
>> whichever Rivendell that fits you well and is comfortable for your 
>> body, 
>> that pleases you mechanically and aesthetically, that is within your 
>> budget, and that accomplishes whatever goals for the type of riding 
>> you 
>> hope to do. 
>>
>> You said you will be riding mostly on pavement. Pavement riding 
>> is a broad category, and there are many different modes and types of 
>> it. 
>> Will it be "practical" pavement riding (like commuting or hauling 
>> stuff 
>> from the supermarket), relaxed cruising on a weekend morning, or 
>> racing in 

Re: [RBW] Best Rivendell for pavement riding

[Max S]

Ye!! We should start a separate thread of Rivendells rolling on 
tubulars... 

BTW, check out these babies 
...
 
36  and 
40  mm 
wide tubeless tubulars. Yes, you read that right. I happen to have a set of 
the 36es, and lemme tell ya – the ride is amazing! 

- Max "totally tubular, man!" in A2

On Friday, March 8, 2024 at 6:07:20 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Max S said "Do eet! "
>
> I did not "Do eet! " 
> I did not even do "eet!"
> but I did do "it"
>
> I finally made an offer and got an all metal tubular wheel set on eBay 
> that can go on my Rivendell Legolas.  It's another set of HED Ardennes 
> wheels, which make them interchangeable with a few other bikes.  The wheel 
> set comes with a set of cross knobbies, which need to be glued, or maybe 
> I'll use some 30mm road tires that I've already got handy.  Max made me doo 
> eeet.
>
> BL in EC
>
> On Wednesday, March 6, 2024 at 5:54:54 PM UTC-8 Max S wrote:
>
>> Do eet! 
>>
>> - Max "Knock-knock... Hi! Have you heard the good news about carbon 
>> tubulars?.." in A2
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 6, 2024 at 2:26:30 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> I have a tubular wheel set for my Roadeo also.  We're a GANG
>>>
>>> BL in EC
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, March 6, 2024 at 11:15:09 AM UTC-8 cz...@sonic.net wrote:
>>>
 Hey Max -

 If you are one of two people worldwide that run sew-ups on a Riv, I am 
 the other one. I had Rich build a set of wheels for sew-ups so I could run 
 them on any of four Rivs (my wife would not tolerate 33mm tires on the 
 Hubbuhubbuh after riding 71mm tires).

 Regards,

 Corwin

 On Wednesday, March 6, 2024 at 6:15:09 AM UTC-8 Max S wrote:

>
> *"My first thought when I saw your RIvendell was:*
> *Off With 'is 'ead!!!*
> *Pure blasphemy. I love it." *
>
> Well, yes, thank you – shock and awe was part of the intent for this 
> Halloween special "Iron Pumpkin" build  :-) 
> BTW, those wheels are tubulars... I might be one of two people 
> worldwide that run sew-up tires on a Riv?.. 
>
> - Max "totally tubular" in A2
> On Wednesday, March 6, 2024 at 6:25:59 AM UTC-5 mathiass...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> @Max
>> My first thought when I saw your RIvendell was:
>> Off With 'is 'ead!!!
>> Pure blasphemy. I love it.
>>
>> I reckon we can't complain -- they don't make SILVER carbon wheels 
>> yet. You're forgiven.
>>
>> [Extra blather: Personally, I can't get into single speed. I went as 
>> far as not shifting for a week on my commute in order to see if I wanted 
>> to 
>> go SS for that purpose. 
>> Can't do it. Even my snow bike has an IGH and I use the low and 
>> middle gears every ride.]
>> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 6:50:06 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Now *that's* got to be the most different, unique, idiosyncratic 
>>> Rivendell build I've seen; kudos for doing things your way!
>>>
>>> Reminds me of a mountain bike I saw parked at my WDC apartment back 
>>> about 1987 with (IIRC) Scott AT-4 bar, disc wheels, and 1.5" Fatboy 
>>> slicks.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 5, 2024 at 4:23 PM Max S  wrote:
>>>
 Here's my favorite Riv for pavement (and dirt) riding (tires and 
 wheels are #1 and #2 concerns, saddle-to-bar drop is #3, and close 
 behind 
 that is picking a reasonably fast color): 

 [image: QuickBeam - Enve 67 carbon wheels - drive side.jpeg]

 - Max "orange you glad I didn't say banana?" in A2

 On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 4:18:43 PM UTC-5 J J wrote:

> Chuck, I believe the best Rivendell for pavement riding is 
> whichever Rivendell that fits you well and is comfortable for your 
> body, 
> that pleases you mechanically and aesthetically, that is within your 
> budget, and that accomplishes whatever goals for the type of riding 
> you 
> hope to do. 
>
> You said you will be riding mostly on pavement. Pavement riding is 
> a broad category, and there are many different modes and types of it. 
> Will 
> it be "practical" pavement riding (like commuting or hauling stuff 
> from the 
> supermarket), relaxed cruising on a weekend morning, or racing in a 
> group? 
> Will you occasionally venture off road? All of the above?
>
> One of the things that makes Rivs so wonderful is their 
> versatility. This is what I value about Rivs above all else, which is 
> why I 
> gravitate to the various All 

Re: [RBW] Best Rivendell for pavement riding

[Bill Lindsay]

Max S said "Do eet! "

I did not "Do eet! " 
I did not even do "eet!"
but I did do "it"

I finally made an offer and got an all metal tubular wheel set on eBay that 
can go on my Rivendell Legolas.  It's another set of HED Ardennes wheels, 
which make them interchangeable with a few other bikes.  The wheel set 
comes with a set of cross knobbies, which need to be glued, or maybe I'll 
use some 30mm road tires that I've already got handy.  Max made me doo eeet.

BL in EC

On Wednesday, March 6, 2024 at 5:54:54 PM UTC-8 Max S wrote:

> Do eet! 
>
> - Max "Knock-knock... Hi! Have you heard the good news about carbon 
> tubulars?.." in A2
>
> On Wednesday, March 6, 2024 at 2:26:30 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> I have a tubular wheel set for my Roadeo also.  We're a GANG
>>
>> BL in EC
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 6, 2024 at 11:15:09 AM UTC-8 cz...@sonic.net wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Max -
>>>
>>> If you are one of two people worldwide that run sew-ups on a Riv, I am 
>>> the other one. I had Rich build a set of wheels for sew-ups so I could run 
>>> them on any of four Rivs (my wife would not tolerate 33mm tires on the 
>>> Hubbuhubbuh after riding 71mm tires).
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Corwin
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, March 6, 2024 at 6:15:09 AM UTC-8 Max S wrote:
>>>

 *"My first thought when I saw your RIvendell was:*
 *Off With 'is 'ead!!!*
 *Pure blasphemy. I love it." *

 Well, yes, thank you – shock and awe was part of the intent for this 
 Halloween special "Iron Pumpkin" build  :-) 
 BTW, those wheels are tubulars... I might be one of two people 
 worldwide that run sew-up tires on a Riv?.. 

 - Max "totally tubular" in A2
 On Wednesday, March 6, 2024 at 6:25:59 AM UTC-5 mathiass...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> @Max
> My first thought when I saw your RIvendell was:
> Off With 'is 'ead!!!
> Pure blasphemy. I love it.
>
> I reckon we can't complain -- they don't make SILVER carbon wheels 
> yet. You're forgiven.
>
> [Extra blather: Personally, I can't get into single speed. I went as 
> far as not shifting for a week on my commute in order to see if I wanted 
> to 
> go SS for that purpose. 
> Can't do it. Even my snow bike has an IGH and I use the low and middle 
> gears every ride.]
> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 6:50:06 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Now *that's* got to be the most different, unique, idiosyncratic 
>> Rivendell build I've seen; kudos for doing things your way!
>>
>> Reminds me of a mountain bike I saw parked at my WDC apartment back 
>> about 1987 with (IIRC) Scott AT-4 bar, disc wheels, and 1.5" Fatboy 
>> slicks.
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 5, 2024 at 4:23 PM Max S  wrote:
>>
>>> Here's my favorite Riv for pavement (and dirt) riding (tires and 
>>> wheels are #1 and #2 concerns, saddle-to-bar drop is #3, and close 
>>> behind 
>>> that is picking a reasonably fast color): 
>>>
>>> [image: QuickBeam - Enve 67 carbon wheels - drive side.jpeg]
>>>
>>> - Max "orange you glad I didn't say banana?" in A2
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 4:18:43 PM UTC-5 J J wrote:
>>>
 Chuck, I believe the best Rivendell for pavement riding is 
 whichever Rivendell that fits you well and is comfortable for your 
 body, 
 that pleases you mechanically and aesthetically, that is within your 
 budget, and that accomplishes whatever goals for the type of riding 
 you 
 hope to do. 

 You said you will be riding mostly on pavement. Pavement riding is 
 a broad category, and there are many different modes and types of it. 
 Will 
 it be "practical" pavement riding (like commuting or hauling stuff 
 from the 
 supermarket), relaxed cruising on a weekend morning, or racing in a 
 group? 
 Will you occasionally venture off road? All of the above?

 One of the things that makes Rivs so wonderful is their 
 versatility. This is what I value about Rivs above all else, which is 
 why I 
 gravitate to the various All Rounders. An Atlantis, for example, can 
 be set 
 up many different ways and it will be brilliant in the various guises. 
 Swap 
 a handlebar or tires (either wider or narrower, or to or from slicks 
 and 
 knobbies) and you have a bike with different character suited for a 
 different type of riding, all while retaining the Rivendell feel. 

 If you want a "road" bike strictly speaking, there are a lot of 
 great suggestions in this thread. In the end it comes back to your own 
 subjectivity, and your sense of the kind of riding you will be doing.

 Good luck with your search!

 On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 2:01:43 

Re: [RBW] Best Rivendell for pavement riding

[John Dewey]

Rich, et. al.

One of my RBWs—Sakuki—came to me as 2nd owner, but it was NOS. I'm not sure
it had seen the pave.

When it arrived, it was equipped with PAUL centerpulls. I know they work
well, but to my eye they were way out of proportion. So I sold them and
installed Dia Compe as seen on yours. They look at home on the silver
'dawg'..and with salmon pads, stop just fine.

JD



On Fri, Mar 8, 2024 at 6:10 AM R Shannon  wrote:

> Hello John,
>
> Amateur lighting in the photograph. Paint is the Sage Green Riv offered on
> a run of 2014 Sams. Part of that run had cream paint on the head tubes but
> I opted out of that one.
> In another life it has been a workhorse like your Sam. Versatile bikes
> aren't they?
>
> Regarding the DiaCompe centerpulls. I like them. They look good and
> function as well as I could expect. In fact, this bike has also run Tektro
> long reach calipers which worked well enough too. I realize brakes like
> saddles or handlebars are in the YMMV category. You indicated CX-70 cantis
> are on your Sam. I have used those with much success too on a
> previously owned Atlantis. Currently installing CX-50s on another bike. I
> hope that helps.
>
> Best,
> Rich in ATL
>
> On Thu, Mar 7, 2024 at 9:09 PM john Bokman  wrote:
>
>> Custom paint, Rich?
>>
>> How are you finding the brakes? Very nice looking. I’m running
>> cantilevers on my workhorse Sam (Shimano CX 70), but if I can manage to
>> hustle a second sam in “fast” mode, I may well choose these (given your
>> approval, of course).
>>
>> On Mar 7, 2024, at 5:55 PM, RichS  wrote:
>>
>> And for another take on the Sam Hillborne as a superb bike on pavement,
>> give a nod to mounting a pair of 32mm Grand Bois Cypress. Also pure bliss:-)
>>
>> [image: IMG_0781.jpg]
>> Best,
>> Rich in ATL
>> On Thursday, March 7, 2024 at 12:26:08 PM UTC-5 mathiass...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> @laing
>>>
>>> Well.
>>>
>>> That's some garage you've got there. I spy north of $2k invested in
>>> leather saddles alone. I approve.I have sent the pictures to my family and
>>> informed them that I will no longer take complaints about how I have "too
>>> many bicycles" and related nonsense.
>>>
>>> Thanks for this!
>>>
>>> cheers -mathias
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, March 7, 2024 at 9:15:26 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
>>>
 Or you can buy a bunch of Rivendells and keep most of them

 [image: IMG_0034s.JPG]
 [image: IMG_0031s.JPG]

 Note that comfort depends a lot upon your body proportions. When I
 finally got a Rivendell custom for my drop bar road bike, the top tube was
 10 cm longer than the seat tube.

 Laing

 On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 12:57:14 AM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> The other way to discover what you really want to ride is to buy a lot
> of bikes that sort of look like what you want (you are not sure what you
> want), upgrade them all, repeat several times as you try to perfect
> previously unrealized imperfections, then sell them at a loss. Do this for
> a couple of decades, then buy customs. This method costs a bit more than
> the other one.
>
> But yes, ride lots of Rivendells. All those I've owned (I bought 5
> including a 2nd-gen Ram and kept one that will turn 25 in April) all had a
> certain common handling and "feel" in common. And I do think that a Ram, 
> if
> you don't want to spring for a Roadeo, might well be what you are looking
> for.
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 4, 2024 at 7:39 PM Corwin Zechar  wrote:
>
>> ... Ride lots of bikes - Rivendells if possible. Think carefully
>> about what you want. Don't be afraid to try different things. Meditate on
>> the differences. And most of all, practice patience if you are looking 
>> for
>> a Ram.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Best Rivendell for pavement riding

[R Shannon]

Hello John,

Amateur lighting in the photograph. Paint is the Sage Green Riv offered on
a run of 2014 Sams. Part of that run had cream paint on the head tubes but
I opted out of that one.
In another life it has been a workhorse like your Sam. Versatile bikes
aren't they?

Regarding the DiaCompe centerpulls. I like them. They look good and
function as well as I could expect. In fact, this bike has also run Tektro
long reach calipers which worked well enough too. I realize brakes like
saddles or handlebars are in the YMMV category. You indicated CX-70 cantis
are on your Sam. I have used those with much success too on a
previously owned Atlantis. Currently installing CX-50s on another bike. I
hope that helps.

Best,
Rich in ATL

On Thu, Mar 7, 2024 at 9:09 PM john Bokman  wrote:

> Custom paint, Rich?
>
> How are you finding the brakes? Very nice looking. I’m running cantilevers
> on my workhorse Sam (Shimano CX 70), but if I can manage to hustle a second
> sam in “fast” mode, I may well choose these (given your approval, of
> course).
>
> On Mar 7, 2024, at 5:55 PM, RichS  wrote:
>
> And for another take on the Sam Hillborne as a superb bike on pavement,
> give a nod to mounting a pair of 32mm Grand Bois Cypress. Also pure bliss:-)
>
> [image: IMG_0781.jpg]
> Best,
> Rich in ATL
> On Thursday, March 7, 2024 at 12:26:08 PM UTC-5 mathiass...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> @laing
>>
>> Well.
>>
>> That's some garage you've got there. I spy north of $2k invested in
>> leather saddles alone. I approve.I have sent the pictures to my family and
>> informed them that I will no longer take complaints about how I have "too
>> many bicycles" and related nonsense.
>>
>> Thanks for this!
>>
>> cheers -mathias
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, March 7, 2024 at 9:15:26 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
>>
>>> Or you can buy a bunch of Rivendells and keep most of them
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_0034s.JPG]
>>> [image: IMG_0031s.JPG]
>>>
>>> Note that comfort depends a lot upon your body proportions. When I
>>> finally got a Rivendell custom for my drop bar road bike, the top tube was
>>> 10 cm longer than the seat tube.
>>>
>>> Laing
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 12:57:14 AM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 The other way to discover what you really want to ride is to buy a lot
 of bikes that sort of look like what you want (you are not sure what you
 want), upgrade them all, repeat several times as you try to perfect
 previously unrealized imperfections, then sell them at a loss. Do this for
 a couple of decades, then buy customs. This method costs a bit more than
 the other one.

 But yes, ride lots of Rivendells. All those I've owned (I bought 5
 including a 2nd-gen Ram and kept one that will turn 25 in April) all had a
 certain common handling and "feel" in common. And I do think that a Ram, if
 you don't want to spring for a Roadeo, might well be what you are looking
 for.


 On Mon, Mar 4, 2024 at 7:39 PM Corwin Zechar  wrote:

> ... Ride lots of bikes - Rivendells if possible. Think carefully about
> what you want. Don't be afraid to try different things. Meditate on the
> differences. And most of all, practice patience if you are looking for a
> Ram.
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Re: [RBW] Best Rivendell for pavement riding

[john Bokman]

Custom paint, Rich?

How are you finding the brakes? Very nice looking. I’m running cantilevers on 
my workhorse Sam (Shimano CX 70), but if I can manage to hustle a second sam in 
“fast” mode, I may well choose these (given your approval, of course).

> On Mar 7, 2024, at 5:55 PM, RichS  wrote:
> 
> And for another take on the Sam Hillborne as a superb bike on pavement, give 
> a nod to mounting a pair of 32mm Grand Bois Cypress. Also pure bliss:-)
> 
> 
> Best,
> Rich in ATL
> On Thursday, March 7, 2024 at 12:26:08 PM UTC-5 mathiass...@gmail.com wrote:
> @laing
> 
> Well.
> 
> That's some garage you've got there. I spy north of $2k invested in leather 
> saddles alone. I approve.I have sent the pictures to my family and informed 
> them that I will no longer take complaints about how I have "too many 
> bicycles" and related nonsense.
> 
> Thanks for this!
> 
> cheers -mathias
> 
> 
> 
> On Thursday, March 7, 2024 at 9:15:26 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
> Or you can buy a bunch of Rivendells and keep most of them
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Note that comfort depends a lot upon your body proportions. When I finally 
> got a Rivendell custom for my drop bar road bike, the top tube was 10 cm 
> longer than the seat tube.
> 
> Laing
> 
> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 12:57:14 AM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
> The other way to discover what you really want to ride is to buy a lot of 
> bikes that sort of look like what you want (you are not sure what you want), 
> upgrade them all, repeat several times as you try to perfect previously 
> unrealized imperfections, then sell them at a loss. Do this for a couple of 
> decades, then buy customs. This method costs a bit more than the other one.
> 
> But yes, ride lots of Rivendells. All those I've owned (I bought 5 including 
> a 2nd-gen Ram and kept one that will turn 25 in April) all had a certain 
> common handling and "feel" in common. And I do think that a Ram, if you don't 
> want to spring for a Roadeo, might well be what you are looking for.
> 
> 
> On Mon, Mar 4, 2024 at 7:39 PM Corwin Zechar > wrote:
> ... Ride lots of bikes - Rivendells if possible. Think carefully about what 
> you want. Don't be afraid to try different things. Meditate on the 
> differences. And most of all, practice patience if you are looking for a Ram.
> 
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Re: [RBW] Best Rivendell for pavement riding

[Mathias Steiner]

@laing

Well.

That's some garage you've got there. I spy north of $2k invested in leather 
saddles alone. I approve.I have sent the pictures to my family and informed 
them that I will no longer take complaints about how I have "too many 
bicycles" and related nonsense.

Thanks for this!

cheers -mathias



On Thursday, March 7, 2024 at 9:15:26 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:

> Or you can buy a bunch of Rivendells and keep most of them
>
> [image: IMG_0034s.JPG]
> [image: IMG_0031s.JPG]
>
> Note that comfort depends a lot upon your body proportions. When I finally 
> got a Rivendell custom for my drop bar road bike, the top tube was 10 cm 
> longer than the seat tube.
>
> Laing
>
> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 12:57:14 AM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> The other way to discover what you really want to ride is to buy a lot of 
>> bikes that sort of look like what you want (you are not sure what you 
>> want), upgrade them all, repeat several times as you try to perfect 
>> previously unrealized imperfections, then sell them at a loss. Do this for 
>> a couple of decades, then buy customs. This method costs a bit more than 
>> the other one.
>>
>> But yes, ride lots of Rivendells. All those I've owned (I bought 5 
>> including a 2nd-gen Ram and kept one that will turn 25 in April) all had a 
>> certain common handling and "feel" in common. And I do think that a Ram, if 
>> you don't want to spring for a Roadeo, might well be what you are looking 
>> for.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 4, 2024 at 7:39 PM Corwin Zechar  wrote:
>>
>>> ... Ride lots of bikes - Rivendells if possible. Think carefully about 
>>> what you want. Don't be afraid to try different things. Meditate on the 
>>> differences. And most of all, practice patience if you are looking for a 
>>> Ram.
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Best Rivendell for pavement riding

[Steven Sweedler]

Bill, how wide are your tires. Thanks,

Steven Sweedler
Plymouth, New Hampshire


On Thu, Mar 7, 2024 at 1:00 PM Bill Schairer  wrote:

> My Atlantis rolls on tubulars.
>
> Bill S
> San Diego
>
> On Wednesday, March 6, 2024 at 5:54:54 PM UTC-8 Max S wrote:
>
>> Do eet!
>>
>> - Max "Knock-knock... Hi! Have you heard the good news about carbon
>> tubulars?.." in A2
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 6, 2024 at 2:26:30 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> I have a tubular wheel set for my Roadeo also.  We're a GANG
>>>
>>> BL in EC
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, March 6, 2024 at 11:15:09 AM UTC-8 cz...@sonic.net wrote:
>>>
 Hey Max -

 If you are one of two people worldwide that run sew-ups on a Riv, I am
 the other one. I had Rich build a set of wheels for sew-ups so I could run
 them on any of four Rivs (my wife would not tolerate 33mm tires on the
 Hubbuhubbuh after riding 71mm tires).

 Regards,

 Corwin

 On Wednesday, March 6, 2024 at 6:15:09 AM UTC-8 Max S wrote:

>
> *"My first thought when I saw your RIvendell was:*
> *Off With 'is 'ead!!!*
> *Pure blasphemy. I love it." *
>
> Well, yes, thank you – shock and awe was part of the intent for this
> Halloween special "Iron Pumpkin" build  :-)
> BTW, those wheels are tubulars... I might be one of two people
> worldwide that run sew-up tires on a Riv?..
>
> - Max "totally tubular" in A2
> On Wednesday, March 6, 2024 at 6:25:59 AM UTC-5 mathiass...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> @Max
>> My first thought when I saw your RIvendell was:
>> Off With 'is 'ead!!!
>> Pure blasphemy. I love it.
>>
>> I reckon we can't complain -- they don't make SILVER carbon wheels
>> yet. You're forgiven.
>>
>> [Extra blather: Personally, I can't get into single speed. I went as
>> far as not shifting for a week on my commute in order to see if I wanted 
>> to
>> go SS for that purpose.
>> Can't do it. Even my snow bike has an IGH and I use the low and
>> middle gears every ride.]
>> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 6:50:06 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Now *that's* got to be the most different, unique, idiosyncratic
>>> Rivendell build I've seen; kudos for doing things your way!
>>>
>>> Reminds me of a mountain bike I saw parked at my WDC apartment back
>>> about 1987 with (IIRC) Scott AT-4 bar, disc wheels, and 1.5" Fatboy 
>>> slicks.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 5, 2024 at 4:23 PM Max S  wrote:
>>>
 Here's my favorite Riv for pavement (and dirt) riding (tires and
 wheels are #1 and #2 concerns, saddle-to-bar drop is #3, and close 
 behind
 that is picking a reasonably fast color):

 [image: QuickBeam - Enve 67 carbon wheels - drive side.jpeg]

 - Max "orange you glad I didn't say banana?" in A2

 On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 4:18:43 PM UTC-5 J J wrote:

> Chuck, I believe the best Rivendell for pavement riding is
> whichever Rivendell that fits you well and is comfortable for your 
> body,
> that pleases you mechanically and aesthetically, that is within your
> budget, and that accomplishes whatever goals for the type of riding 
> you
> hope to do.
>
> You said you will be riding mostly on pavement. Pavement riding is
> a broad category, and there are many different modes and types of it. 
> Will
> it be "practical" pavement riding (like commuting or hauling stuff 
> from the
> supermarket), relaxed cruising on a weekend morning, or racing in a 
> group?
> Will you occasionally venture off road? All of the above?
>
> One of the things that makes Rivs so wonderful is their
> versatility. This is what I value about Rivs above all else, which is 
> why I
> gravitate to the various All Rounders. An Atlantis, for example, can 
> be set
> up many different ways and it will be brilliant in the various 
> guises. Swap
> a handlebar or tires (either wider or narrower, or to or from slicks 
> and
> knobbies) and you have a bike with different character suited for a
> different type of riding, all while retaining the Rivendell feel.
>
> If you want a "road" bike strictly speaking, there are a lot of
> great suggestions in this thread. In the end it comes back to your own
> subjectivity, and your sense of the kind of riding you will be doing.
>
> Good luck with your search!
>
> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 2:01:43 PM UTC-5 heike...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Chuck--as you asked about the Appaloosa and a drop-bar
>> alternative, I'll chime in: I have a 51" 650B Appaloosa with Nitto
>> Choco bars

Re: [RBW] Best Rivendell for pavement riding

[Bill Schairer]

My Atlantis rolls on tubulars.

Bill S 
San Diego

On Wednesday, March 6, 2024 at 5:54:54 PM UTC-8 Max S wrote:

> Do eet! 
>
> - Max "Knock-knock... Hi! Have you heard the good news about carbon 
> tubulars?.." in A2
>
> On Wednesday, March 6, 2024 at 2:26:30 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> I have a tubular wheel set for my Roadeo also.  We're a GANG
>>
>> BL in EC
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 6, 2024 at 11:15:09 AM UTC-8 cz...@sonic.net wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Max -
>>>
>>> If you are one of two people worldwide that run sew-ups on a Riv, I am 
>>> the other one. I had Rich build a set of wheels for sew-ups so I could run 
>>> them on any of four Rivs (my wife would not tolerate 33mm tires on the 
>>> Hubbuhubbuh after riding 71mm tires).
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Corwin
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, March 6, 2024 at 6:15:09 AM UTC-8 Max S wrote:
>>>

 *"My first thought when I saw your RIvendell was:*
 *Off With 'is 'ead!!!*
 *Pure blasphemy. I love it." *

 Well, yes, thank you – shock and awe was part of the intent for this 
 Halloween special "Iron Pumpkin" build  :-) 
 BTW, those wheels are tubulars... I might be one of two people 
 worldwide that run sew-up tires on a Riv?.. 

 - Max "totally tubular" in A2
 On Wednesday, March 6, 2024 at 6:25:59 AM UTC-5 mathiass...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> @Max
> My first thought when I saw your RIvendell was:
> Off With 'is 'ead!!!
> Pure blasphemy. I love it.
>
> I reckon we can't complain -- they don't make SILVER carbon wheels 
> yet. You're forgiven.
>
> [Extra blather: Personally, I can't get into single speed. I went as 
> far as not shifting for a week on my commute in order to see if I wanted 
> to 
> go SS for that purpose. 
> Can't do it. Even my snow bike has an IGH and I use the low and middle 
> gears every ride.]
> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 6:50:06 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Now *that's* got to be the most different, unique, idiosyncratic 
>> Rivendell build I've seen; kudos for doing things your way!
>>
>> Reminds me of a mountain bike I saw parked at my WDC apartment back 
>> about 1987 with (IIRC) Scott AT-4 bar, disc wheels, and 1.5" Fatboy 
>> slicks.
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 5, 2024 at 4:23 PM Max S  wrote:
>>
>>> Here's my favorite Riv for pavement (and dirt) riding (tires and 
>>> wheels are #1 and #2 concerns, saddle-to-bar drop is #3, and close 
>>> behind 
>>> that is picking a reasonably fast color): 
>>>
>>> [image: QuickBeam - Enve 67 carbon wheels - drive side.jpeg]
>>>
>>> - Max "orange you glad I didn't say banana?" in A2
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 4:18:43 PM UTC-5 J J wrote:
>>>
 Chuck, I believe the best Rivendell for pavement riding is 
 whichever Rivendell that fits you well and is comfortable for your 
 body, 
 that pleases you mechanically and aesthetically, that is within your 
 budget, and that accomplishes whatever goals for the type of riding 
 you 
 hope to do. 

 You said you will be riding mostly on pavement. Pavement riding is 
 a broad category, and there are many different modes and types of it. 
 Will 
 it be "practical" pavement riding (like commuting or hauling stuff 
 from the 
 supermarket), relaxed cruising on a weekend morning, or racing in a 
 group? 
 Will you occasionally venture off road? All of the above?

 One of the things that makes Rivs so wonderful is their 
 versatility. This is what I value about Rivs above all else, which is 
 why I 
 gravitate to the various All Rounders. An Atlantis, for example, can 
 be set 
 up many different ways and it will be brilliant in the various guises. 
 Swap 
 a handlebar or tires (either wider or narrower, or to or from slicks 
 and 
 knobbies) and you have a bike with different character suited for a 
 different type of riding, all while retaining the Rivendell feel. 

 If you want a "road" bike strictly speaking, there are a lot of 
 great suggestions in this thread. In the end it comes back to your own 
 subjectivity, and your sense of the kind of riding you will be doing.

 Good luck with your search!

 On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 2:01:43 PM UTC-5 heike...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Hi Chuck--as you asked about the Appaloosa and a drop-bar 
> alternative, I'll chime in: I have a 51" 650B Appaloosa with Nitto 
> Choco bars 
> ,
>  
> which Riv describes thus: "It's also good for road bikes instead of a 
> drop 

Re: [RBW] Best Rivendell for pavement riding

[Max S]

Do eet! 

- Max "Knock-knock... Hi! Have you heard the good news about carbon 
tubulars?.." in A2

On Wednesday, March 6, 2024 at 2:26:30 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> I have a tubular wheel set for my Roadeo also.  We're a GANG
>
> BL in EC
>
> On Wednesday, March 6, 2024 at 11:15:09 AM UTC-8 cz...@sonic.net wrote:
>
>> Hey Max -
>>
>> If you are one of two people worldwide that run sew-ups on a Riv, I am 
>> the other one. I had Rich build a set of wheels for sew-ups so I could run 
>> them on any of four Rivs (my wife would not tolerate 33mm tires on the 
>> Hubbuhubbuh after riding 71mm tires).
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Corwin
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 6, 2024 at 6:15:09 AM UTC-8 Max S wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> *"My first thought when I saw your RIvendell was:*
>>> *Off With 'is 'ead!!!*
>>> *Pure blasphemy. I love it." *
>>>
>>> Well, yes, thank you – shock and awe was part of the intent for this 
>>> Halloween special "Iron Pumpkin" build  :-) 
>>> BTW, those wheels are tubulars... I might be one of two people worldwide 
>>> that run sew-up tires on a Riv?.. 
>>>
>>> - Max "totally tubular" in A2
>>> On Wednesday, March 6, 2024 at 6:25:59 AM UTC-5 mathiass...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 @Max
 My first thought when I saw your RIvendell was:
 Off With 'is 'ead!!!
 Pure blasphemy. I love it.

 I reckon we can't complain -- they don't make SILVER carbon wheels yet. 
 You're forgiven.

 [Extra blather: Personally, I can't get into single speed. I went as 
 far as not shifting for a week on my commute in order to see if I wanted 
 to 
 go SS for that purpose. 
 Can't do it. Even my snow bike has an IGH and I use the low and middle 
 gears every ride.]
 On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 6:50:06 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Now *that's* got to be the most different, unique, idiosyncratic 
> Rivendell build I've seen; kudos for doing things your way!
>
> Reminds me of a mountain bike I saw parked at my WDC apartment back 
> about 1987 with (IIRC) Scott AT-4 bar, disc wheels, and 1.5" Fatboy 
> slicks.
>
> On Tue, Mar 5, 2024 at 4:23 PM Max S  wrote:
>
>> Here's my favorite Riv for pavement (and dirt) riding (tires and 
>> wheels are #1 and #2 concerns, saddle-to-bar drop is #3, and close 
>> behind 
>> that is picking a reasonably fast color): 
>>
>> [image: QuickBeam - Enve 67 carbon wheels - drive side.jpeg]
>>
>> - Max "orange you glad I didn't say banana?" in A2
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 4:18:43 PM UTC-5 J J wrote:
>>
>>> Chuck, I believe the best Rivendell for pavement riding is whichever 
>>> Rivendell that fits you well and is comfortable for your body, that 
>>> pleases 
>>> you mechanically and aesthetically, that is within your budget, and 
>>> that 
>>> accomplishes whatever goals for the type of riding you hope to do. 
>>>
>>> You said you will be riding mostly on pavement. Pavement riding is a 
>>> broad category, and there are many different modes and types of it. 
>>> Will it 
>>> be "practical" pavement riding (like commuting or hauling stuff from 
>>> the 
>>> supermarket), relaxed cruising on a weekend morning, or racing in a 
>>> group? 
>>> Will you occasionally venture off road? All of the above?
>>>
>>> One of the things that makes Rivs so wonderful is their versatility. 
>>> This is what I value about Rivs above all else, which is why I 
>>> gravitate to 
>>> the various All Rounders. An Atlantis, for example, can be set up many 
>>> different ways and it will be brilliant in the various guises. Swap a 
>>> handlebar or tires (either wider or narrower, or to or from slicks and 
>>> knobbies) and you have a bike with different character suited for a 
>>> different type of riding, all while retaining the Rivendell feel. 
>>>
>>> If you want a "road" bike strictly speaking, there are a lot of 
>>> great suggestions in this thread. In the end it comes back to your own 
>>> subjectivity, and your sense of the kind of riding you will be doing.
>>>
>>> Good luck with your search!
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 2:01:43 PM UTC-5 heike...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hi Chuck--as you asked about the Appaloosa and a drop-bar 
 alternative, I'll chime in: I have a 51" 650B Appaloosa with Nitto 
 Choco bars 
 ,
  
 which Riv describes thus: "It's also good for road bikes instead of a 
 drop 
 bar, when you want a close grip and a totally perfect next-to-stem 
 grip. 
 It's the best bar we have for that." I really like these bars, as I 
 can 
 grab the flats when going fast, downhill, or against wind, and the 
 

Re: [RBW] Best Rivendell for pavement riding

[Bill Lindsay]

I have a tubular wheel set for my Roadeo also.  We're a GANG

BL in EC

On Wednesday, March 6, 2024 at 11:15:09 AM UTC-8 cz...@sonic.net wrote:

> Hey Max -
>
> If you are one of two people worldwide that run sew-ups on a Riv, I am the 
> other one. I had Rich build a set of wheels for sew-ups so I could run them 
> on any of four Rivs (my wife would not tolerate 33mm tires on the 
> Hubbuhubbuh after riding 71mm tires).
>
> Regards,
>
> Corwin
>
> On Wednesday, March 6, 2024 at 6:15:09 AM UTC-8 Max S wrote:
>
>>
>> *"My first thought when I saw your RIvendell was:*
>> *Off With 'is 'ead!!!*
>> *Pure blasphemy. I love it." *
>>
>> Well, yes, thank you – shock and awe was part of the intent for this 
>> Halloween special "Iron Pumpkin" build  :-) 
>> BTW, those wheels are tubulars... I might be one of two people worldwide 
>> that run sew-up tires on a Riv?.. 
>>
>> - Max "totally tubular" in A2
>> On Wednesday, March 6, 2024 at 6:25:59 AM UTC-5 mathiass...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> @Max
>>> My first thought when I saw your RIvendell was:
>>> Off With 'is 'ead!!!
>>> Pure blasphemy. I love it.
>>>
>>> I reckon we can't complain -- they don't make SILVER carbon wheels yet. 
>>> You're forgiven.
>>>
>>> [Extra blather: Personally, I can't get into single speed. I went as far 
>>> as not shifting for a week on my commute in order to see if I wanted to go 
>>> SS for that purpose. 
>>> Can't do it. Even my snow bike has an IGH and I use the low and middle 
>>> gears every ride.]
>>> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 6:50:06 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 Now *that's* got to be the most different, unique, idiosyncratic 
 Rivendell build I've seen; kudos for doing things your way!

 Reminds me of a mountain bike I saw parked at my WDC apartment back 
 about 1987 with (IIRC) Scott AT-4 bar, disc wheels, and 1.5" Fatboy slicks.

 On Tue, Mar 5, 2024 at 4:23 PM Max S  wrote:

> Here's my favorite Riv for pavement (and dirt) riding (tires and 
> wheels are #1 and #2 concerns, saddle-to-bar drop is #3, and close behind 
> that is picking a reasonably fast color): 
>
> [image: QuickBeam - Enve 67 carbon wheels - drive side.jpeg]
>
> - Max "orange you glad I didn't say banana?" in A2
>
> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 4:18:43 PM UTC-5 J J wrote:
>
>> Chuck, I believe the best Rivendell for pavement riding is whichever 
>> Rivendell that fits you well and is comfortable for your body, that 
>> pleases 
>> you mechanically and aesthetically, that is within your budget, and that 
>> accomplishes whatever goals for the type of riding you hope to do. 
>>
>> You said you will be riding mostly on pavement. Pavement riding is a 
>> broad category, and there are many different modes and types of it. Will 
>> it 
>> be "practical" pavement riding (like commuting or hauling stuff from the 
>> supermarket), relaxed cruising on a weekend morning, or racing in a 
>> group? 
>> Will you occasionally venture off road? All of the above?
>>
>> One of the things that makes Rivs so wonderful is their versatility. 
>> This is what I value about Rivs above all else, which is why I gravitate 
>> to 
>> the various All Rounders. An Atlantis, for example, can be set up many 
>> different ways and it will be brilliant in the various guises. Swap a 
>> handlebar or tires (either wider or narrower, or to or from slicks and 
>> knobbies) and you have a bike with different character suited for a 
>> different type of riding, all while retaining the Rivendell feel. 
>>
>> If you want a "road" bike strictly speaking, there are a lot of great 
>> suggestions in this thread. In the end it comes back to your own 
>> subjectivity, and your sense of the kind of riding you will be doing.
>>
>> Good luck with your search!
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 2:01:43 PM UTC-5 heike...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Chuck--as you asked about the Appaloosa and a drop-bar 
>>> alternative, I'll chime in: I have a 51" 650B Appaloosa with Nitto 
>>> Choco bars 
>>> ,
>>>  
>>> which Riv describes thus: "It's also good for road bikes instead of a 
>>> drop 
>>> bar, when you want a close grip and a totally perfect next-to-stem 
>>> grip. 
>>> It's the best bar we have for that." I really like these bars, as I can 
>>> grab the flats when going fast, downhill, or against wind, and the 
>>> swept-back part is super comfortable otherwise. It's not a super wide 
>>> bar; 
>>> never feels out of place even on narrower paths or in traffic. 
>>>
>>> I bought the Appa as a mixed-terrain bike, as a true allrounder, and 
>>> I right now have a rack on it (and fenders, soon--just got my Velo 
>>> Orange 
>>> 

Re: [RBW] Best Rivendell for pavement riding

[Corwin Zechar]

Hey Max -

If you are one of two people worldwide that run sew-ups on a Riv, I am the 
other one. I had Rich build a set of wheels for sew-ups so I could run them 
on any of four Rivs (my wife would not tolerate 33mm tires on the 
Hubbuhubbuh after riding 71mm tires).

Regards,

Corwin

On Wednesday, March 6, 2024 at 6:15:09 AM UTC-8 Max S wrote:

>
> *"My first thought when I saw your RIvendell was:*
> *Off With 'is 'ead!!!*
> *Pure blasphemy. I love it." *
>
> Well, yes, thank you – shock and awe was part of the intent for this 
> Halloween special "Iron Pumpkin" build  :-) 
> BTW, those wheels are tubulars... I might be one of two people worldwide 
> that run sew-up tires on a Riv?.. 
>
> - Max "totally tubular" in A2
> On Wednesday, March 6, 2024 at 6:25:59 AM UTC-5 mathiass...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> @Max
>> My first thought when I saw your RIvendell was:
>> Off With 'is 'ead!!!
>> Pure blasphemy. I love it.
>>
>> I reckon we can't complain -- they don't make SILVER carbon wheels yet. 
>> You're forgiven.
>>
>> [Extra blather: Personally, I can't get into single speed. I went as far 
>> as not shifting for a week on my commute in order to see if I wanted to go 
>> SS for that purpose. 
>> Can't do it. Even my snow bike has an IGH and I use the low and middle 
>> gears every ride.]
>> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 6:50:06 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Now *that's* got to be the most different, unique, idiosyncratic 
>>> Rivendell build I've seen; kudos for doing things your way!
>>>
>>> Reminds me of a mountain bike I saw parked at my WDC apartment back 
>>> about 1987 with (IIRC) Scott AT-4 bar, disc wheels, and 1.5" Fatboy slicks.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 5, 2024 at 4:23 PM Max S  wrote:
>>>
 Here's my favorite Riv for pavement (and dirt) riding (tires and wheels 
 are #1 and #2 concerns, saddle-to-bar drop is #3, and close behind that is 
 picking a reasonably fast color): 

 [image: QuickBeam - Enve 67 carbon wheels - drive side.jpeg]

 - Max "orange you glad I didn't say banana?" in A2

 On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 4:18:43 PM UTC-5 J J wrote:

> Chuck, I believe the best Rivendell for pavement riding is whichever 
> Rivendell that fits you well and is comfortable for your body, that 
> pleases 
> you mechanically and aesthetically, that is within your budget, and that 
> accomplishes whatever goals for the type of riding you hope to do. 
>
> You said you will be riding mostly on pavement. Pavement riding is a 
> broad category, and there are many different modes and types of it. Will 
> it 
> be "practical" pavement riding (like commuting or hauling stuff from the 
> supermarket), relaxed cruising on a weekend morning, or racing in a 
> group? 
> Will you occasionally venture off road? All of the above?
>
> One of the things that makes Rivs so wonderful is their versatility. 
> This is what I value about Rivs above all else, which is why I gravitate 
> to 
> the various All Rounders. An Atlantis, for example, can be set up many 
> different ways and it will be brilliant in the various guises. Swap a 
> handlebar or tires (either wider or narrower, or to or from slicks and 
> knobbies) and you have a bike with different character suited for a 
> different type of riding, all while retaining the Rivendell feel. 
>
> If you want a "road" bike strictly speaking, there are a lot of great 
> suggestions in this thread. In the end it comes back to your own 
> subjectivity, and your sense of the kind of riding you will be doing.
>
> Good luck with your search!
>
> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 2:01:43 PM UTC-5 heike...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Chuck--as you asked about the Appaloosa and a drop-bar 
>> alternative, I'll chime in: I have a 51" 650B Appaloosa with Nitto 
>> Choco bars 
>> ,
>>  
>> which Riv describes thus: "It's also good for road bikes instead of a 
>> drop 
>> bar, when you want a close grip and a totally perfect next-to-stem grip. 
>> It's the best bar we have for that." I really like these bars, as I can 
>> grab the flats when going fast, downhill, or against wind, and the 
>> swept-back part is super comfortable otherwise. It's not a super wide 
>> bar; 
>> never feels out of place even on narrower paths or in traffic. 
>>
>> I bought the Appa as a mixed-terrain bike, as a true allrounder, and 
>> I right now have a rack on it (and fenders, soon--just got my Velo 
>> Orange 
>> wavys delivered). I mostly ride it on smooth roads, and it's a fun bike 
>> for 
>> that, even up hills. Roadbike? No, not nimble and light to go on group 
>> fast 
>> rides, but totally smooth and comfortable for long rides.  If I had two 
>> Riv 

Re: [RBW] Best Rivendell for pavement riding

[Bill Lindsay]

I keep getting text messages from HED for the sale they are running on 
their rim-brake deep-V carbon rim wheel sets, and I keep thinking about 
Max's build.  Bad influence!!

BL in EC

On Wednesday, March 6, 2024 at 9:31:19 AM UTC-8 Keith P. wrote:

> Mad Max,
> Shock & Awe indeed.
> That’s a mean machine.
> k.
>
> On Mar 6, 2024, at 7:32 AM, John Dewey  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Max, that's just a badass bicycle. Well done, sir.
>
> Jock
>
> On Tue, Mar 5, 2024 at 3:23 PM Max S  wrote:
>
> Here's my favorite Riv for pavement (and dirt) riding (tires and wheels 
>> are #1 and #2 concerns, saddle-to-bar drop is #3, and close behind that is 
>> picking a reasonably fast color): 
>
> 
>>
>> - Max "orange you glad I didn't say banana?" in A2
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 4:18:43 PM UTC-5 J J wrote:
>>
>>> Chuck, I believe the best Rivendell for pavement riding is whichever 
>>> Rivendell that fits you well and is comfortable for your body, that pleases 
>>> you mechanically and aesthetically, that is within your budget, and that 
>>> accomplishes whatever goals for the type of riding you hope to do. 
>>>
>>> You said you will be riding mostly on pavement. Pavement riding is a 
>>> broad category, and there are many different modes and types of it. Will it 
>>> be "practical" pavement riding (like commuting or hauling stuff from the 
>>> supermarket), relaxed cruising on a weekend morning, or racing in a group? 
>>> Will you occasionally venture off road? All of the above?
>>>
>>> One of the things that makes Rivs so wonderful is their versatility. 
>>> This is what I value about Rivs above all else, which is why I gravitate to 
>>> the various All Rounders. An Atlantis, for example, can be set up many 
>>> different ways and it will be brilliant in the various guises. Swap a 
>>> handlebar or tires (either wider or narrower, or to or from slicks and 
>>> knobbies) and you have a bike with different character suited for a 
>>> different type of riding, all while retaining the Rivendell feel. 
>>>
>>> If you want a "road" bike strictly speaking, there are a lot of great 
>>> suggestions in this thread. In the end it comes back to your own 
>>> subjectivity, and your sense of the kind of riding you will be doing.
>>>
>>> Good luck with your search!
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 2:01:43 PM UTC-5 heike...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Hi Chuck--as you asked about the Appaloosa and a drop-bar alternative, 
 I'll chime in: I have a 51" 650B Appaloosa with Nitto Choco bars 
 ,
  
 which Riv describes thus: "It's also good for road bikes instead of a drop 
 bar, when you want a close grip and a totally perfect next-to-stem grip. 
 It's the best bar we have for that." I really like these bars, as I can 
 grab the flats when going fast, downhill, or against wind, and the 
 swept-back part is super comfortable otherwise. It's not a super wide bar; 
 never feels out of place even on narrower paths or in traffic. 

 I bought the Appa as a mixed-terrain bike, as a true allrounder, and I 
 right now have a rack on it (and fenders, soon--just got my Velo Orange 
 wavys delivered). I mostly ride it on smooth roads, and it's a fun bike 
 for 
 that, even up hills. Roadbike? No, not nimble and light to go on group 
 fast 
 rides, but totally smooth and comfortable for long rides.  If I had two 
 Riv 
 bikes, I might get a Ram or a Roadini in addition to the App - but for 
 just 
 one bike that can do all kinds of things really well, the Appa is 
 wonderful! 

 On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 10:28:06 AM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com wrote:

> I own a 54cm Roadini (for myself) and a 50cm (for my son who will soon 
> outgrow his Salsa Journeyman). I'd set up my Roadini as a gravel bike 
> with 
> wide tires but recently a friend borrowed my son's Roadini for her first 
> ride over a dirt path in less than dry conditions I swapped the wheels on 
> both bikes. Having done that work I decided to start riding the Roadini 
> for 
> my commute again, and it's such a nice bike for pavement riding. I would 
> be 
> very happy if the Roadini was the only bike I was allowed to ride. A 
> wheel/tire swap is all it takes to switch its personality.
>
> Picture of the 50mm gold Roadini with 40mm Conti Terraspeed tires: 
> https://www.amazon.com/photos/shared/9xe97P72TVC9kT6ezib43w.ApcagsQcybWcV2qpmaE8je
> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 9:46:26 AM UTC-8 cfic...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Mathias, Max, Damien, thanks. A lot of good information in your 
>> posts. Riding and experimenting with different models may be the only 
>> way 
>> to find that "perfect" bike, if there is such a thing. I have to admit 
>> that 
>> I've been riding an All City Space Horse for a while now, which 

Re: [RBW] Best Rivendell for pavement riding

[Keith Paugh]

Mad Max,Shock & Awe indeed.That’s a mean machine.k.On Mar 6, 2024, at 7:32 AM, John Dewey  wrote:Max, that's just a badass bicycle. Well done, sir.JockOn Tue, Mar 5, 2024 at 3:23 PM Max S  wrote:Here's my favorite Riv for pavement (and dirt) riding (tires and wheels are #1 and #2 concerns, saddle-to-bar drop is #3, and close behind that is picking a reasonably fast color): - Max "orange you glad I didn't say banana?" in A2On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 4:18:43 PM UTC-5 J J wrote:Chuck, I believe the best Rivendell for pavement riding is whichever Rivendell that fits you well and is comfortable for your body, that pleases you mechanically and aesthetically, that is within your budget, and that accomplishes whatever goals for the type of riding you hope to do. You said you will be riding mostly on pavement. Pavement riding is a broad category, and there are many different modes and types of it. Will it be "practical" pavement riding (like commuting or hauling stuff from the supermarket), relaxed cruising on a weekend morning, or racing in a group? Will you occasionally venture off road? All of the above?One of the things that makes Rivs so wonderful is their versatility. This is what I value about Rivs above all else, which is why I gravitate to the various All Rounders. An Atlantis, for example, can be set up many different ways and it will be brilliant in the various guises. Swap a handlebar or tires (either wider or narrower, or to or from slicks and knobbies) and you have a bike with different character suited for a different type of riding, all while retaining the Rivendell feel. If you want a "road" bike strictly speaking, there are a lot of great suggestions in this thread. In the end it comes back to your own subjectivity, and your sense of the kind of riding you will be doing.Good luck with your search!On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 2:01:43 PM UTC-5 heike...@gmail.com wrote:Hi Chuck--as you asked about the Appaloosa and a drop-bar alternative, I'll chime in: I have a 51" 650B Appaloosa with Nitto Choco bars, which Riv describes thus: "It's also good for road bikes instead of a drop bar, when you want a close grip and a totally perfect next-to-stem grip. It's the best bar we have for that." I really like these bars, as I can grab the flats when going fast, downhill, or against wind, and the swept-back part is super comfortable otherwise. It's not a super wide bar; never feels out of place even on narrower paths or in traffic. I bought the Appa as a mixed-terrain bike, as a true allrounder, and I right now have a rack on it (and fenders, soon--just got my Velo Orange wavys delivered). I mostly ride it on smooth roads, and it's a fun bike for that, even up hills. Roadbike? No, not nimble and light to go on group fast rides, but totally smooth and comfortable for long rides.  If I had two Riv bikes, I might get a Ram or a Roadini in addition to the App - but for just one bike that can do all kinds of things really well, the Appa is wonderful! On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 10:28:06 AM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com wrote:I own a 54cm Roadini (for myself) and a 50cm (for my son who will soon outgrow his Salsa Journeyman). I'd set up my Roadini as a gravel bike with wide tires but recently a friend borrowed my son's Roadini for her first ride over a dirt path in less than dry conditions I swapped the wheels on both bikes. Having done that work I decided to start riding the Roadini for my commute again, and it's such a nice bike for pavement riding. I would be very happy if the Roadini was the only bike I was allowed to ride. A wheel/tire swap is all it takes to switch its personality.Picture of the 50mm gold Roadini with 40mm Conti Terraspeed tires: https://www.amazon.com/photos/shared/9xe97P72TVC9kT6ezib43w.ApcagsQcybWcV2qpmaE8jeOn Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 9:46:26 AM UTC-8 cfic...@gmail.com wrote:Mathias, Max, Damien, thanks. A lot of good information in your posts. Riding and experimenting with different models may be the only way to find that "perfect" bike, if there is such a thing. I have to admit that I've been riding an All City Space Horse for a while now, which I picked up to see me through while I wait on the "right" Rivendell to become available. It's actually very comfortable and stable, but a bit heavy for the hills. The 52cm model I have has similar chainstay, wheelbase, head tube angle, stack, and reach to a 50cm Roadini, so maybe I should be satisfied with what I have? I don't know. I am rethinking the requirement I have had in my mind for drop handlebars, though. Some of the Nitto bars (Losco, Choco, Albastache) look like they could be fine for long distance road riding with multiple positions that could mimic some of those of a drop bar. And they might work better with the longish top tubes. ChuckOn Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 12:27:31 PM UTC-5 Damien wrote:I had a Sam up until recently but sold it and have very recently replaced with a Ram which I've yet to get out on (am going to 

Re: [RBW] Best Rivendell for pavement riding

[Davey Two Shoes]

I like my Sam, its my "gravel" bike, so its also my road bike. However I 
think I'd have gone with a Roadini if I wasn't interested in touring.

On Wednesday, March 6, 2024 at 9:15:09 AM UTC-5 Max S wrote:

>
> *"My first thought when I saw your RIvendell was:*
> *Off With 'is 'ead!!!*
> *Pure blasphemy. I love it." *
>
> Well, yes, thank you – shock and awe was part of the intent for this 
> Halloween special "Iron Pumpkin" build  :-) 
> BTW, those wheels are tubulars... I might be one of two people worldwide 
> that run sew-up tires on a Riv?.. 
>
> - Max "totally tubular" in A2
> On Wednesday, March 6, 2024 at 6:25:59 AM UTC-5 mathiass...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> @Max
>> My first thought when I saw your RIvendell was:
>> Off With 'is 'ead!!!
>> Pure blasphemy. I love it.
>>
>> I reckon we can't complain -- they don't make SILVER carbon wheels yet. 
>> You're forgiven.
>>
>> [Extra blather: Personally, I can't get into single speed. I went as far 
>> as not shifting for a week on my commute in order to see if I wanted to go 
>> SS for that purpose. 
>> Can't do it. Even my snow bike has an IGH and I use the low and middle 
>> gears every ride.]
>> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 6:50:06 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Now *that's* got to be the most different, unique, idiosyncratic 
>>> Rivendell build I've seen; kudos for doing things your way!
>>>
>>> Reminds me of a mountain bike I saw parked at my WDC apartment back 
>>> about 1987 with (IIRC) Scott AT-4 bar, disc wheels, and 1.5" Fatboy slicks.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 5, 2024 at 4:23 PM Max S  wrote:
>>>
 Here's my favorite Riv for pavement (and dirt) riding (tires and wheels 
 are #1 and #2 concerns, saddle-to-bar drop is #3, and close behind that is 
 picking a reasonably fast color): 

 [image: QuickBeam - Enve 67 carbon wheels - drive side.jpeg]

 - Max "orange you glad I didn't say banana?" in A2

 On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 4:18:43 PM UTC-5 J J wrote:

> Chuck, I believe the best Rivendell for pavement riding is whichever 
> Rivendell that fits you well and is comfortable for your body, that 
> pleases 
> you mechanically and aesthetically, that is within your budget, and that 
> accomplishes whatever goals for the type of riding you hope to do. 
>
> You said you will be riding mostly on pavement. Pavement riding is a 
> broad category, and there are many different modes and types of it. Will 
> it 
> be "practical" pavement riding (like commuting or hauling stuff from the 
> supermarket), relaxed cruising on a weekend morning, or racing in a 
> group? 
> Will you occasionally venture off road? All of the above?
>
> One of the things that makes Rivs so wonderful is their versatility. 
> This is what I value about Rivs above all else, which is why I gravitate 
> to 
> the various All Rounders. An Atlantis, for example, can be set up many 
> different ways and it will be brilliant in the various guises. Swap a 
> handlebar or tires (either wider or narrower, or to or from slicks and 
> knobbies) and you have a bike with different character suited for a 
> different type of riding, all while retaining the Rivendell feel. 
>
> If you want a "road" bike strictly speaking, there are a lot of great 
> suggestions in this thread. In the end it comes back to your own 
> subjectivity, and your sense of the kind of riding you will be doing.
>
> Good luck with your search!
>
> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 2:01:43 PM UTC-5 heike...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Chuck--as you asked about the Appaloosa and a drop-bar 
>> alternative, I'll chime in: I have a 51" 650B Appaloosa with Nitto 
>> Choco bars 
>> ,
>>  
>> which Riv describes thus: "It's also good for road bikes instead of a 
>> drop 
>> bar, when you want a close grip and a totally perfect next-to-stem grip. 
>> It's the best bar we have for that." I really like these bars, as I can 
>> grab the flats when going fast, downhill, or against wind, and the 
>> swept-back part is super comfortable otherwise. It's not a super wide 
>> bar; 
>> never feels out of place even on narrower paths or in traffic. 
>>
>> I bought the Appa as a mixed-terrain bike, as a true allrounder, and 
>> I right now have a rack on it (and fenders, soon--just got my Velo 
>> Orange 
>> wavys delivered). I mostly ride it on smooth roads, and it's a fun bike 
>> for 
>> that, even up hills. Roadbike? No, not nimble and light to go on group 
>> fast 
>> rides, but totally smooth and comfortable for long rides.  If I had two 
>> Riv 
>> bikes, I might get a Ram or a Roadini in addition to the App - but for 
>> just 
>> one bike that can do all kinds of things 

Re: [RBW] Best Rivendell for pavement riding

[Max S]

*"My first thought when I saw your RIvendell was:*
*Off With 'is 'ead!!!*
*Pure blasphemy. I love it." *

Well, yes, thank you – shock and awe was part of the intent for this 
Halloween special "Iron Pumpkin" build  :-) 
BTW, those wheels are tubulars... I might be one of two people worldwide 
that run sew-up tires on a Riv?.. 

- Max "totally tubular" in A2
On Wednesday, March 6, 2024 at 6:25:59 AM UTC-5 mathiass...@gmail.com wrote:

> @Max
> My first thought when I saw your RIvendell was:
> Off With 'is 'ead!!!
> Pure blasphemy. I love it.
>
> I reckon we can't complain -- they don't make SILVER carbon wheels yet. 
> You're forgiven.
>
> [Extra blather: Personally, I can't get into single speed. I went as far 
> as not shifting for a week on my commute in order to see if I wanted to go 
> SS for that purpose. 
> Can't do it. Even my snow bike has an IGH and I use the low and middle 
> gears every ride.]
> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 6:50:06 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Now *that's* got to be the most different, unique, idiosyncratic 
>> Rivendell build I've seen; kudos for doing things your way!
>>
>> Reminds me of a mountain bike I saw parked at my WDC apartment back about 
>> 1987 with (IIRC) Scott AT-4 bar, disc wheels, and 1.5" Fatboy slicks.
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 5, 2024 at 4:23 PM Max S  wrote:
>>
>>> Here's my favorite Riv for pavement (and dirt) riding (tires and wheels 
>>> are #1 and #2 concerns, saddle-to-bar drop is #3, and close behind that is 
>>> picking a reasonably fast color): 
>>>
>>> [image: QuickBeam - Enve 67 carbon wheels - drive side.jpeg]
>>>
>>> - Max "orange you glad I didn't say banana?" in A2
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 4:18:43 PM UTC-5 J J wrote:
>>>
 Chuck, I believe the best Rivendell for pavement riding is whichever 
 Rivendell that fits you well and is comfortable for your body, that 
 pleases 
 you mechanically and aesthetically, that is within your budget, and that 
 accomplishes whatever goals for the type of riding you hope to do. 

 You said you will be riding mostly on pavement. Pavement riding is a 
 broad category, and there are many different modes and types of it. Will 
 it 
 be "practical" pavement riding (like commuting or hauling stuff from the 
 supermarket), relaxed cruising on a weekend morning, or racing in a group? 
 Will you occasionally venture off road? All of the above?

 One of the things that makes Rivs so wonderful is their versatility. 
 This is what I value about Rivs above all else, which is why I gravitate 
 to 
 the various All Rounders. An Atlantis, for example, can be set up many 
 different ways and it will be brilliant in the various guises. Swap a 
 handlebar or tires (either wider or narrower, or to or from slicks and 
 knobbies) and you have a bike with different character suited for a 
 different type of riding, all while retaining the Rivendell feel. 

 If you want a "road" bike strictly speaking, there are a lot of great 
 suggestions in this thread. In the end it comes back to your own 
 subjectivity, and your sense of the kind of riding you will be doing.

 Good luck with your search!

 On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 2:01:43 PM UTC-5 heike...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi Chuck--as you asked about the Appaloosa and a drop-bar alternative, 
> I'll chime in: I have a 51" 650B Appaloosa with Nitto Choco bars 
> ,
>  
> which Riv describes thus: "It's also good for road bikes instead of a 
> drop 
> bar, when you want a close grip and a totally perfect next-to-stem grip. 
> It's the best bar we have for that." I really like these bars, as I can 
> grab the flats when going fast, downhill, or against wind, and the 
> swept-back part is super comfortable otherwise. It's not a super wide 
> bar; 
> never feels out of place even on narrower paths or in traffic. 
>
> I bought the Appa as a mixed-terrain bike, as a true allrounder, and I 
> right now have a rack on it (and fenders, soon--just got my Velo Orange 
> wavys delivered). I mostly ride it on smooth roads, and it's a fun bike 
> for 
> that, even up hills. Roadbike? No, not nimble and light to go on group 
> fast 
> rides, but totally smooth and comfortable for long rides.  If I had two 
> Riv 
> bikes, I might get a Ram or a Roadini in addition to the App - but for 
> just 
> one bike that can do all kinds of things really well, the Appa is 
> wonderful! 
>
> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 10:28:06 AM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I own a 54cm Roadini (for myself) and a 50cm (for my son who will 
>> soon outgrow his Salsa Journeyman). I'd set up my Roadini as a gravel 
>> bike 
>> with wide tires but recently a friend borrowed my 

Re: [RBW] Best Rivendell for pavement riding

[Mathias Steiner]

@Max
My first thought when I saw your RIvendell was:
Off With 'is 'ead!!!
Pure blasphemy. I love it.

I reckon we can't complain -- they don't make SILVER carbon wheels yet. 
You're forgiven.

[Extra blather: Personally, I can't get into single speed. I went as far as 
not shifting for a week on my commute in order to see if I wanted to go SS 
for that purpose. 
Can't do it. Even my snow bike has an IGH and I use the low and middle 
gears every ride.]
On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 6:50:06 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Now *that's* got to be the most different, unique, idiosyncratic 
> Rivendell build I've seen; kudos for doing things your way!
>
> Reminds me of a mountain bike I saw parked at my WDC apartment back about 
> 1987 with (IIRC) Scott AT-4 bar, disc wheels, and 1.5" Fatboy slicks.
>
> On Tue, Mar 5, 2024 at 4:23 PM Max S  wrote:
>
>> Here's my favorite Riv for pavement (and dirt) riding (tires and wheels 
>> are #1 and #2 concerns, saddle-to-bar drop is #3, and close behind that is 
>> picking a reasonably fast color): 
>>
>> [image: QuickBeam - Enve 67 carbon wheels - drive side.jpeg]
>>
>> - Max "orange you glad I didn't say banana?" in A2
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 4:18:43 PM UTC-5 J J wrote:
>>
>>> Chuck, I believe the best Rivendell for pavement riding is whichever 
>>> Rivendell that fits you well and is comfortable for your body, that pleases 
>>> you mechanically and aesthetically, that is within your budget, and that 
>>> accomplishes whatever goals for the type of riding you hope to do. 
>>>
>>> You said you will be riding mostly on pavement. Pavement riding is a 
>>> broad category, and there are many different modes and types of it. Will it 
>>> be "practical" pavement riding (like commuting or hauling stuff from the 
>>> supermarket), relaxed cruising on a weekend morning, or racing in a group? 
>>> Will you occasionally venture off road? All of the above?
>>>
>>> One of the things that makes Rivs so wonderful is their versatility. 
>>> This is what I value about Rivs above all else, which is why I gravitate to 
>>> the various All Rounders. An Atlantis, for example, can be set up many 
>>> different ways and it will be brilliant in the various guises. Swap a 
>>> handlebar or tires (either wider or narrower, or to or from slicks and 
>>> knobbies) and you have a bike with different character suited for a 
>>> different type of riding, all while retaining the Rivendell feel. 
>>>
>>> If you want a "road" bike strictly speaking, there are a lot of great 
>>> suggestions in this thread. In the end it comes back to your own 
>>> subjectivity, and your sense of the kind of riding you will be doing.
>>>
>>> Good luck with your search!
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 2:01:43 PM UTC-5 heike...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Hi Chuck--as you asked about the Appaloosa and a drop-bar alternative, 
 I'll chime in: I have a 51" 650B Appaloosa with Nitto Choco bars 
 ,
  
 which Riv describes thus: "It's also good for road bikes instead of a drop 
 bar, when you want a close grip and a totally perfect next-to-stem grip. 
 It's the best bar we have for that." I really like these bars, as I can 
 grab the flats when going fast, downhill, or against wind, and the 
 swept-back part is super comfortable otherwise. It's not a super wide bar; 
 never feels out of place even on narrower paths or in traffic. 

 I bought the Appa as a mixed-terrain bike, as a true allrounder, and I 
 right now have a rack on it (and fenders, soon--just got my Velo Orange 
 wavys delivered). I mostly ride it on smooth roads, and it's a fun bike 
 for 
 that, even up hills. Roadbike? No, not nimble and light to go on group 
 fast 
 rides, but totally smooth and comfortable for long rides.  If I had two 
 Riv 
 bikes, I might get a Ram or a Roadini in addition to the App - but for 
 just 
 one bike that can do all kinds of things really well, the Appa is 
 wonderful! 

 On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 10:28:06 AM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com wrote:

> I own a 54cm Roadini (for myself) and a 50cm (for my son who will soon 
> outgrow his Salsa Journeyman). I'd set up my Roadini as a gravel bike 
> with 
> wide tires but recently a friend borrowed my son's Roadini for her first 
> ride over a dirt path in less than dry conditions I swapped the wheels on 
> both bikes. Having done that work I decided to start riding the Roadini 
> for 
> my commute again, and it's such a nice bike for pavement riding. I would 
> be 
> very happy if the Roadini was the only bike I was allowed to ride. A 
> wheel/tire swap is all it takes to switch its personality.
>
> Picture of the 50mm gold Roadini with 40mm Conti Terraspeed tires: 
> 

Re: [RBW] Best Rivendell for pavement riding

[J J]

Chuck, I believe the best Rivendell for pavement riding is whichever 
Rivendell that fits you well and is comfortable for your body, that pleases 
you mechanically and aesthetically, that is within your budget, and that 
accomplishes whatever goals for the type of riding you hope to do. 

You said you will be riding mostly on pavement. Pavement riding is a broad 
category, and there are many different modes and types of it. Will it be 
"practical" pavement riding (like commuting or hauling stuff from the 
supermarket), relaxed cruising on a weekend morning, or racing in a group? 
Will you occasionally venture off road? All of the above?

One of the things that makes Rivs so wonderful is their versatility. This 
is what I value about Rivs above all else, which is why I gravitate to the 
various All Rounders. An Atlantis, for example, can be set up many 
different ways and it will be brilliant in the various guises. Swap a 
handlebar or tires (either wider or narrower, or to or from slicks and 
knobbies) and you have a bike with different character suited for a 
different type of riding, all while retaining the Rivendell feel. 

If you want a "road" bike strictly speaking, there are a lot of great 
suggestions in this thread. In the end it comes back to your own 
subjectivity, and your sense of the kind of riding you will be doing.

Good luck with your search!

On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 2:01:43 PM UTC-5 heike...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi Chuck--as you asked about the Appaloosa and a drop-bar alternative, 
> I'll chime in: I have a 51" 650B Appaloosa with Nitto Choco bars 
> ,
>  
> which Riv describes thus: "It's also good for road bikes instead of a drop 
> bar, when you want a close grip and a totally perfect next-to-stem grip. 
> It's the best bar we have for that." I really like these bars, as I can 
> grab the flats when going fast, downhill, or against wind, and the 
> swept-back part is super comfortable otherwise. It's not a super wide bar; 
> never feels out of place even on narrower paths or in traffic. 
>
> I bought the Appa as a mixed-terrain bike, as a true allrounder, and I 
> right now have a rack on it (and fenders, soon--just got my Velo Orange 
> wavys delivered). I mostly ride it on smooth roads, and it's a fun bike for 
> that, even up hills. Roadbike? No, not nimble and light to go on group fast 
> rides, but totally smooth and comfortable for long rides.  If I had two Riv 
> bikes, I might get a Ram or a Roadini in addition to the App - but for just 
> one bike that can do all kinds of things really well, the Appa is 
> wonderful! 
>
> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 10:28:06 AM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I own a 54cm Roadini (for myself) and a 50cm (for my son who will soon 
>> outgrow his Salsa Journeyman). I'd set up my Roadini as a gravel bike with 
>> wide tires but recently a friend borrowed my son's Roadini for her first 
>> ride over a dirt path in less than dry conditions I swapped the wheels on 
>> both bikes. Having done that work I decided to start riding the Roadini for 
>> my commute again, and it's such a nice bike for pavement riding. I would be 
>> very happy if the Roadini was the only bike I was allowed to ride. A 
>> wheel/tire swap is all it takes to switch its personality.
>>
>> Picture of the 50mm gold Roadini with 40mm Conti Terraspeed tires: 
>> https://www.amazon.com/photos/shared/9xe97P72TVC9kT6ezib43w.ApcagsQcybWcV2qpmaE8je
>> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 9:46:26 AM UTC-8 cfic...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Mathias, Max, Damien, thanks. A lot of good information in your posts. 
>>> Riding and experimenting with different models may be the only way to find 
>>> that "perfect" bike, if there is such a thing. I have to admit that I've 
>>> been riding an All City Space Horse for a while now, which I picked up to 
>>> see me through while I wait on the "right" Rivendell to become available. 
>>> It's actually very comfortable and stable, but a bit heavy for the hills. 
>>> The 52cm model I have has similar chainstay, wheelbase, head tube angle, 
>>> stack, and reach to a 50cm Roadini, so maybe I should be satisfied with 
>>> what I have? I don't know. I am rethinking the requirement I have had in my 
>>> mind for drop handlebars, though. Some of the Nitto bars (Losco, Choco, 
>>> Albastache) look like they could be fine for long distance road riding with 
>>> multiple positions that could mimic some of those of a drop bar. And they 
>>> might work better with the longish top tubes. 
>>>
>>> Chuck
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 12:27:31 PM UTC-5 Damien wrote:
>>>
 I had a Sam up until recently but sold it and have very recently 
 replaced with a Ram which I've yet to get out on (am going to swap out the 
 Albatross currently on them for drop bars). Not sure what size you're 
 looking at, but the thing for me was I wanted a 700c bike, and the 

Re: [RBW] Best Rivendell for pavement riding

[Chuck Blessing]

Thanks Heike. I was considering the Appaloosa, but it might be more stout 
than what I need. Appreciate the first-hand report on the Choco bar, as it 
sounds like it might work for me. Will definitely keep it in mind.

On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 2:01:43 PM UTC-5 heike...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi Chuck--as you asked about the Appaloosa and a drop-bar alternative, 
> I'll chime in: I have a 51" 650B Appaloosa with Nitto Choco bars 
> ,
>  
> which Riv describes thus: "It's also good for road bikes instead of a drop 
> bar, when you want a close grip and a totally perfect next-to-stem grip. 
> It's the best bar we have for that." I really like these bars, as I can 
> grab the flats when going fast, downhill, or against wind, and the 
> swept-back part is super comfortable otherwise. It's not a super wide bar; 
> never feels out of place even on narrower paths or in traffic. 
>
> I bought the Appa as a mixed-terrain bike, as a true allrounder, and I 
> right now have a rack on it (and fenders, soon--just got my Velo Orange 
> wavys delivered). I mostly ride it on smooth roads, and it's a fun bike for 
> that, even up hills. Roadbike? No, not nimble and light to go on group fast 
> rides, but totally smooth and comfortable for long rides.  If I had two Riv 
> bikes, I might get a Ram or a Roadini in addition to the App - but for just 
> one bike that can do all kinds of things really well, the Appa is 
> wonderful! 
>
> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 10:28:06 AM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I own a 54cm Roadini (for myself) and a 50cm (for my son who will soon 
>> outgrow his Salsa Journeyman). I'd set up my Roadini as a gravel bike with 
>> wide tires but recently a friend borrowed my son's Roadini for her first 
>> ride over a dirt path in less than dry conditions I swapped the wheels on 
>> both bikes. Having done that work I decided to start riding the Roadini for 
>> my commute again, and it's such a nice bike for pavement riding. I would be 
>> very happy if the Roadini was the only bike I was allowed to ride. A 
>> wheel/tire swap is all it takes to switch its personality.
>>
>> Picture of the 50mm gold Roadini with 40mm Conti Terraspeed tires: 
>> https://www.amazon.com/photos/shared/9xe97P72TVC9kT6ezib43w.ApcagsQcybWcV2qpmaE8je
>> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 9:46:26 AM UTC-8 cfic...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Mathias, Max, Damien, thanks. A lot of good information in your posts. 
>>> Riding and experimenting with different models may be the only way to find 
>>> that "perfect" bike, if there is such a thing. I have to admit that I've 
>>> been riding an All City Space Horse for a while now, which I picked up to 
>>> see me through while I wait on the "right" Rivendell to become available. 
>>> It's actually very comfortable and stable, but a bit heavy for the hills. 
>>> The 52cm model I have has similar chainstay, wheelbase, head tube angle, 
>>> stack, and reach to a 50cm Roadini, so maybe I should be satisfied with 
>>> what I have? I don't know. I am rethinking the requirement I have had in my 
>>> mind for drop handlebars, though. Some of the Nitto bars (Losco, Choco, 
>>> Albastache) look like they could be fine for long distance road riding with 
>>> multiple positions that could mimic some of those of a drop bar. And they 
>>> might work better with the longish top tubes. 
>>>
>>> Chuck
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 12:27:31 PM UTC-5 Damien wrote:
>>>
 I had a Sam up until recently but sold it and have very recently 
 replaced with a Ram which I've yet to get out on (am going to swap out the 
 Albatross currently on them for drop bars). Not sure what size you're 
 looking at, but the thing for me was I wanted a 700c bike, and the Sam 
 that 
 fit me (51) was 650b. I had a Roadini in size 50 which was great, but 
 ended 
 up selling that and keeping the Sam as it better met my needs at the time 
 (dragging kids around, carrying random stuff, more mixed terrain stuff). 
 Sam is great, but didn't feel as quick (subjective) and was definitely 
 more 
 sluggish in its handling on road - felt a bit like overkill tbh. I 
 attribute most of that to set up and the chunky tire size I was using on 
 the Sam (650b x 48 on Sam vs. 700 x 32 on Roadini). I would say if you go 
 with the Sam for your use, 42 would be the ideal tire size (as someone 
 mentioned earlier!). 

 I can't wait to get out on the Ram to see how I like it, but if it's 
 anything like the Roadini, I feel I'll be on a setup that makes sense for 
 the type of riding that I do - which seems similar to the type of riding 
 you'll be doing! Hope that is in some way helpful!
 On Tuesday 5 March 2024 at 08:44:06 UTC-5 Max S wrote:

> Really great points made by Mathias, and also by Patrick in his post 
> about iterating...  
> IMO, 

Re: [RBW] Best Rivendell for pavement riding

[Heike Larson]

Hi Chuck--as you asked about the Appaloosa and a drop-bar alternative, I'll 
chime in: I have a 51" 650B Appaloosa with Nitto Choco bars 
,
 
which Riv describes thus: "It's also good for road bikes instead of a drop 
bar, when you want a close grip and a totally perfect next-to-stem grip. 
It's the best bar we have for that." I really like these bars, as I can 
grab the flats when going fast, downhill, or against wind, and the 
swept-back part is super comfortable otherwise. It's not a super wide bar; 
never feels out of place even on narrower paths or in traffic. 

I bought the Appa as a mixed-terrain bike, as a true allrounder, and I 
right now have a rack on it (and fenders, soon--just got my Velo Orange 
wavys delivered). I mostly ride it on smooth roads, and it's a fun bike for 
that, even up hills. Roadbike? No, not nimble and light to go on group fast 
rides, but totally smooth and comfortable for long rides.  If I had two Riv 
bikes, I might get a Ram or a Roadini in addition to the App - but for just 
one bike that can do all kinds of things really well, the Appa is 
wonderful! 

On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 10:28:06 AM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com wrote:

> I own a 54cm Roadini (for myself) and a 50cm (for my son who will soon 
> outgrow his Salsa Journeyman). I'd set up my Roadini as a gravel bike with 
> wide tires but recently a friend borrowed my son's Roadini for her first 
> ride over a dirt path in less than dry conditions I swapped the wheels on 
> both bikes. Having done that work I decided to start riding the Roadini for 
> my commute again, and it's such a nice bike for pavement riding. I would be 
> very happy if the Roadini was the only bike I was allowed to ride. A 
> wheel/tire swap is all it takes to switch its personality.
>
> Picture of the 50mm gold Roadini with 40mm Conti Terraspeed tires: 
> https://www.amazon.com/photos/shared/9xe97P72TVC9kT6ezib43w.ApcagsQcybWcV2qpmaE8je
> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 9:46:26 AM UTC-8 cfic...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Mathias, Max, Damien, thanks. A lot of good information in your posts. 
>> Riding and experimenting with different models may be the only way to find 
>> that "perfect" bike, if there is such a thing. I have to admit that I've 
>> been riding an All City Space Horse for a while now, which I picked up to 
>> see me through while I wait on the "right" Rivendell to become available. 
>> It's actually very comfortable and stable, but a bit heavy for the hills. 
>> The 52cm model I have has similar chainstay, wheelbase, head tube angle, 
>> stack, and reach to a 50cm Roadini, so maybe I should be satisfied with 
>> what I have? I don't know. I am rethinking the requirement I have had in my 
>> mind for drop handlebars, though. Some of the Nitto bars (Losco, Choco, 
>> Albastache) look like they could be fine for long distance road riding with 
>> multiple positions that could mimic some of those of a drop bar. And they 
>> might work better with the longish top tubes. 
>>
>> Chuck
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 12:27:31 PM UTC-5 Damien wrote:
>>
>>> I had a Sam up until recently but sold it and have very recently 
>>> replaced with a Ram which I've yet to get out on (am going to swap out the 
>>> Albatross currently on them for drop bars). Not sure what size you're 
>>> looking at, but the thing for me was I wanted a 700c bike, and the Sam that 
>>> fit me (51) was 650b. I had a Roadini in size 50 which was great, but ended 
>>> up selling that and keeping the Sam as it better met my needs at the time 
>>> (dragging kids around, carrying random stuff, more mixed terrain stuff). 
>>> Sam is great, but didn't feel as quick (subjective) and was definitely more 
>>> sluggish in its handling on road - felt a bit like overkill tbh. I 
>>> attribute most of that to set up and the chunky tire size I was using on 
>>> the Sam (650b x 48 on Sam vs. 700 x 32 on Roadini). I would say if you go 
>>> with the Sam for your use, 42 would be the ideal tire size (as someone 
>>> mentioned earlier!). 
>>>
>>> I can't wait to get out on the Ram to see how I like it, but if it's 
>>> anything like the Roadini, I feel I'll be on a setup that makes sense for 
>>> the type of riding that I do - which seems similar to the type of riding 
>>> you'll be doing! Hope that is in some way helpful!
>>> On Tuesday 5 March 2024 at 08:44:06 UTC-5 Max S wrote:
>>>
 Really great points made by Mathias, and also by Patrick in his post 
 about iterating...  
 IMO, the easiest way to find a good bike is to set your budget and then 
 make a post whose subject starts with "WTB:.. " – all sorts of cool and 
 awesome bikes will emerge that fit your criteria! 

 - Max "it's a journey" in A2

 On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 8:14:36 AM UTC-5 mathiass...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Hi Chuck,
>
> I've never owned a Rivendell, so I believe 

Re: [RBW] Best Rivendell for pavement riding

[Piaw Na]

I own a 54cm Roadini (for myself) and a 50cm (for my son who will soon 
outgrow his Salsa Journeyman). I'd set up my Roadini as a gravel bike with 
wide tires but recently a friend borrowed my son's Roadini for her first 
ride over a dirt path in less than dry conditions I swapped the wheels on 
both bikes. Having done that work I decided to start riding the Roadini for 
my commute again, and it's such a nice bike for pavement riding. I would be 
very happy if the Roadini was the only bike I was allowed to ride. A 
wheel/tire swap is all it takes to switch its personality.

Picture of the 50mm gold Roadini with 40mm Conti Terraspeed 
tires: 
https://www.amazon.com/photos/shared/9xe97P72TVC9kT6ezib43w.ApcagsQcybWcV2qpmaE8je
On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 9:46:26 AM UTC-8 cfic...@gmail.com wrote:

> Mathias, Max, Damien, thanks. A lot of good information in your posts. 
> Riding and experimenting with different models may be the only way to find 
> that "perfect" bike, if there is such a thing. I have to admit that I've 
> been riding an All City Space Horse for a while now, which I picked up to 
> see me through while I wait on the "right" Rivendell to become available. 
> It's actually very comfortable and stable, but a bit heavy for the hills. 
> The 52cm model I have has similar chainstay, wheelbase, head tube angle, 
> stack, and reach to a 50cm Roadini, so maybe I should be satisfied with 
> what I have? I don't know. I am rethinking the requirement I have had in my 
> mind for drop handlebars, though. Some of the Nitto bars (Losco, Choco, 
> Albastache) look like they could be fine for long distance road riding with 
> multiple positions that could mimic some of those of a drop bar. And they 
> might work better with the longish top tubes. 
>
> Chuck
>
> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 12:27:31 PM UTC-5 Damien wrote:
>
>> I had a Sam up until recently but sold it and have very recently replaced 
>> with a Ram which I've yet to get out on (am going to swap out the Albatross 
>> currently on them for drop bars). Not sure what size you're looking at, but 
>> the thing for me was I wanted a 700c bike, and the Sam that fit me (51) was 
>> 650b. I had a Roadini in size 50 which was great, but ended up selling that 
>> and keeping the Sam as it better met my needs at the time (dragging kids 
>> around, carrying random stuff, more mixed terrain stuff). Sam is great, but 
>> didn't feel as quick (subjective) and was definitely more sluggish in its 
>> handling on road - felt a bit like overkill tbh. I attribute most of that 
>> to set up and the chunky tire size I was using on the Sam (650b x 48 on Sam 
>> vs. 700 x 32 on Roadini). I would say if you go with the Sam for your use, 
>> 42 would be the ideal tire size (as someone mentioned earlier!). 
>>
>> I can't wait to get out on the Ram to see how I like it, but if it's 
>> anything like the Roadini, I feel I'll be on a setup that makes sense for 
>> the type of riding that I do - which seems similar to the type of riding 
>> you'll be doing! Hope that is in some way helpful!
>> On Tuesday 5 March 2024 at 08:44:06 UTC-5 Max S wrote:
>>
>>> Really great points made by Mathias, and also by Patrick in his post 
>>> about iterating...  
>>> IMO, the easiest way to find a good bike is to set your budget and then 
>>> make a post whose subject starts with "WTB:.. " – all sorts of cool and 
>>> awesome bikes will emerge that fit your criteria! 
>>>
>>> - Max "it's a journey" in A2
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 8:14:36 AM UTC-5 mathiass...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hi Chuck,

 I've never owned a Rivendell, so I believe it's important I chime in... 
 because of this:

 >> I tried a Roadini (which I recently listed here and sold), but I 
 think it was too big for me.

 It probably wasn't too "big", it was probably too long in the top tube.

 In the current Riv idea space, the Albatross is the handlebar of 
 choice. The one Grant says he'll ride when he's old. I'd argue you can't 
 build a bike that accomodates swept back AND drop handlebars for the same 
 rider in the same size. The difference is  only a few cm, but they matter. 

 I tend to pick one bike every year and build it from the frame up, to 
 ride it and see how I like it, and what I can learn from it. And since I 
 always use a Brooks B17 and a Nitto Noodle, that provides a handy size 
 reference. The distance from the saddle tip to the handlebar cross tube is 
 always the same when I'm done fitting it.. and it matches the ancient rule 
 that if you put your elbow against the tip of the saddle, the finger tips 
 should just reach the handlebar. Stem lengths go from 70 to 100 mm, on 
 frames ranging from from a 52 cm Bruce Gordon BLT to a a 25 inch (63.5 cm) 
 Cannondale ST600 to and a few in between. Top tube length (effective) 
 ranges from 56 to 59 cm. 

 So figure out what YOUR saddle/bar 

Re: [RBW] Best Rivendell for pavement riding

[Chuck Blessing]

Mathias, Max, Damien, thanks. A lot of good information in your posts. 
Riding and experimenting with different models may be the only way to find 
that "perfect" bike, if there is such a thing. I have to admit that I've 
been riding an All City Space Horse for a while now, which I picked up to 
see me through while I wait on the "right" Rivendell to become available. 
It's actually very comfortable and stable, but a bit heavy for the hills. 
The 52cm model I have has similar chainstay, wheelbase, head tube angle, 
stack, and reach to a 50cm Roadini, so maybe I should be satisfied with 
what I have? I don't know. I am rethinking the requirement I have had in my 
mind for drop handlebars, though. Some of the Nitto bars (Losco, Choco, 
Albastache) look like they could be fine for long distance road riding with 
multiple positions that could mimic some of those of a drop bar. And they 
might work better with the longish top tubes. 

Chuck

On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 12:27:31 PM UTC-5 Damien wrote:

> I had a Sam up until recently but sold it and have very recently replaced 
> with a Ram which I've yet to get out on (am going to swap out the Albatross 
> currently on them for drop bars). Not sure what size you're looking at, but 
> the thing for me was I wanted a 700c bike, and the Sam that fit me (51) was 
> 650b. I had a Roadini in size 50 which was great, but ended up selling that 
> and keeping the Sam as it better met my needs at the time (dragging kids 
> around, carrying random stuff, more mixed terrain stuff). Sam is great, but 
> didn't feel as quick (subjective) and was definitely more sluggish in its 
> handling on road - felt a bit like overkill tbh. I attribute most of that 
> to set up and the chunky tire size I was using on the Sam (650b x 48 on Sam 
> vs. 700 x 32 on Roadini). I would say if you go with the Sam for your use, 
> 42 would be the ideal tire size (as someone mentioned earlier!). 
>
> I can't wait to get out on the Ram to see how I like it, but if it's 
> anything like the Roadini, I feel I'll be on a setup that makes sense for 
> the type of riding that I do - which seems similar to the type of riding 
> you'll be doing! Hope that is in some way helpful!
> On Tuesday 5 March 2024 at 08:44:06 UTC-5 Max S wrote:
>
>> Really great points made by Mathias, and also by Patrick in his post 
>> about iterating...  
>> IMO, the easiest way to find a good bike is to set your budget and then 
>> make a post whose subject starts with "WTB:.. " – all sorts of cool and 
>> awesome bikes will emerge that fit your criteria! 
>>
>> - Max "it's a journey" in A2
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 8:14:36 AM UTC-5 mathiass...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Chuck,
>>>
>>> I've never owned a Rivendell, so I believe it's important I chime in... 
>>> because of this:
>>>
>>> >> I tried a Roadini (which I recently listed here and sold), but I 
>>> think it was too big for me.
>>>
>>> It probably wasn't too "big", it was probably too long in the top tube.
>>>
>>> In the current Riv idea space, the Albatross is the handlebar of choice. 
>>> The one Grant says he'll ride when he's old. I'd argue you can't build a 
>>> bike that accomodates swept back AND drop handlebars for the same rider in 
>>> the same size. The difference is  only a few cm, but they matter. 
>>>
>>> I tend to pick one bike every year and build it from the frame up, to 
>>> ride it and see how I like it, and what I can learn from it. And since I 
>>> always use a Brooks B17 and a Nitto Noodle, that provides a handy size 
>>> reference. The distance from the saddle tip to the handlebar cross tube is 
>>> always the same when I'm done fitting it.. and it matches the ancient rule 
>>> that if you put your elbow against the tip of the saddle, the finger tips 
>>> should just reach the handlebar. Stem lengths go from 70 to 100 mm, on 
>>> frames ranging from from a 52 cm Bruce Gordon BLT to a a 25 inch (63.5 cm) 
>>> Cannondale ST600 to and a few in between. Top tube length (effective) 
>>> ranges from 56 to 59 cm. 
>>>
>>> So figure out what YOUR saddle/bar distance or top tube length should 
>>> be, and find your size accordingly. Were I to buy a Roadini, and the 
>>> thought has crossed my mind, I'd have to go for a fairly small frame. For 
>>> my 6 ft height and 89 cm PBH, I'm between the 57 and 61 cm size for the 
>>> Roadini, and the 57 cm has a 59 cm top tube, so that would be my size, and 
>>> the stem would have to be short, which doesn't look good to my eyes.
>>>
>>> For what it's worth, our pavement here in freeze/thaw country 
>>> (mid-Michigan) is famously nasty, and for road riding, I like 32 mm 
>>> GP5000s... add some dirt roads, and I'm currently riding 35 mm Paselas, 
>>> which seem to roll pretty fast and do OK on loose surfaces. I see no reason 
>>> to go wide on asphalt.
>>>
>>> To buy any bicycle:
>>> - decide on the tire you want to ride, which means pick the target roads 
>>> and routes.
>>> - decide if you'll mount 

Re: [RBW] Best Rivendell for pavement riding

[Damien]

I had a Sam up until recently but sold it and have very recently replaced 
with a Ram which I've yet to get out on (am going to swap out the Albatross 
currently on them for drop bars). Not sure what size you're looking at, but 
the thing for me was I wanted a 700c bike, and the Sam that fit me (51) was 
650b. I had a Roadini in size 50 which was great, but ended up selling that 
and keeping the Sam as it better met my needs at the time (dragging kids 
around, carrying random stuff, more mixed terrain stuff). Sam is great, but 
didn't feel as quick (subjective) and was definitely more sluggish in its 
handling on road - felt a bit like overkill tbh. I attribute most of that 
to set up and the chunky tire size I was using on the Sam (650b x 48 on Sam 
vs. 700 x 32 on Roadini). I would say if you go with the Sam for your use, 
42 would be the ideal tire size (as someone mentioned earlier!). 

I can't wait to get out on the Ram to see how I like it, but if it's 
anything like the Roadini, I feel I'll be on a setup that makes sense for 
the type of riding that I do - which seems similar to the type of riding 
you'll be doing! Hope that is in some way helpful!
On Tuesday 5 March 2024 at 08:44:06 UTC-5 Max S wrote:

> Really great points made by Mathias, and also by Patrick in his post about 
> iterating...  
> IMO, the easiest way to find a good bike is to set your budget and then 
> make a post whose subject starts with "WTB:.. " – all sorts of cool and 
> awesome bikes will emerge that fit your criteria! 
>
> - Max "it's a journey" in A2
>
> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 8:14:36 AM UTC-5 mathiass...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hi Chuck,
>>
>> I've never owned a Rivendell, so I believe it's important I chime in... 
>> because of this:
>>
>> >> I tried a Roadini (which I recently listed here and sold), but I think 
>> it was too big for me.
>>
>> It probably wasn't too "big", it was probably too long in the top tube.
>>
>> In the current Riv idea space, the Albatross is the handlebar of choice. 
>> The one Grant says he'll ride when he's old. I'd argue you can't build a 
>> bike that accomodates swept back AND drop handlebars for the same rider in 
>> the same size. The difference is  only a few cm, but they matter. 
>>
>> I tend to pick one bike every year and build it from the frame up, to 
>> ride it and see how I like it, and what I can learn from it. And since I 
>> always use a Brooks B17 and a Nitto Noodle, that provides a handy size 
>> reference. The distance from the saddle tip to the handlebar cross tube is 
>> always the same when I'm done fitting it.. and it matches the ancient rule 
>> that if you put your elbow against the tip of the saddle, the finger tips 
>> should just reach the handlebar. Stem lengths go from 70 to 100 mm, on 
>> frames ranging from from a 52 cm Bruce Gordon BLT to a a 25 inch (63.5 cm) 
>> Cannondale ST600 to and a few in between. Top tube length (effective) 
>> ranges from 56 to 59 cm. 
>>
>> So figure out what YOUR saddle/bar distance or top tube length should be, 
>> and find your size accordingly. Were I to buy a Roadini, and the thought 
>> has crossed my mind, I'd have to go for a fairly small frame. For my 6 ft 
>> height and 89 cm PBH, I'm between the 57 and 61 cm size for the Roadini, 
>> and the 57 cm has a 59 cm top tube, so that would be my size, and the stem 
>> would have to be short, which doesn't look good to my eyes.
>>
>> For what it's worth, our pavement here in freeze/thaw country 
>> (mid-Michigan) is famously nasty, and for road riding, I like 32 mm 
>> GP5000s... add some dirt roads, and I'm currently riding 35 mm Paselas, 
>> which seem to roll pretty fast and do OK on loose surfaces. I see no reason 
>> to go wide on asphalt.
>>
>> To buy any bicycle:
>> - decide on the tire you want to ride, which means pick the target roads 
>> and routes.
>> - decide if you'll mount fenders. 
>> - now look at the frames that will accomodate the first criteria, and see 
>> if you can find your size.
>>
>> It may be that a detour through an older (~1980) Trek or Raleigh is the 
>> way to find your setup... most of the parts will move right over, plus it's 
>> fun.
>>
>> cheers -mathias
>>
>>
>>
>> To view this discussion on the web visit 
>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/43ff7469-c029-4b2a-83bf-3ce31d020790n%40googlegroups.com
>>  
>> 
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Re: [RBW] Best Rivendell for pavement riding

[Max S]

Really great points made by Mathias, and also by Patrick in his post about 
iterating...  
IMO, the easiest way to find a good bike is to set your budget and then 
make a post whose subject starts with "WTB:.. " – all sorts of cool and 
awesome bikes will emerge that fit your criteria! 

- Max "it's a journey" in A2

On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 8:14:36 AM UTC-5 mathiass...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi Chuck,
>
> I've never owned a Rivendell, so I believe it's important I chime in... 
> because of this:
>
> >> I tried a Roadini (which I recently listed here and sold), but I think 
> it was too big for me.
>
> It probably wasn't too "big", it was probably too long in the top tube.
>
> In the current Riv idea space, the Albatross is the handlebar of choice. 
> The one Grant says he'll ride when he's old. I'd argue you can't build a 
> bike that accomodates swept back AND drop handlebars for the same rider in 
> the same size. The difference is  only a few cm, but they matter. 
>
> I tend to pick one bike every year and build it from the frame up, to ride 
> it and see how I like it, and what I can learn from it. And since I always 
> use a Brooks B17 and a Nitto Noodle, that provides a handy size reference. 
> The distance from the saddle tip to the handlebar cross tube is always the 
> same when I'm done fitting it.. and it matches the ancient rule that if you 
> put your elbow against the tip of the saddle, the finger tips should just 
> reach the handlebar. Stem lengths go from 70 to 100 mm, on frames ranging 
> from from a 52 cm Bruce Gordon BLT to a a 25 inch (63.5 cm) Cannondale 
> ST600 to and a few in between. Top tube length (effective) ranges from 56 
> to 59 cm. 
>
> So figure out what YOUR saddle/bar distance or top tube length should be, 
> and find your size accordingly. Were I to buy a Roadini, and the thought 
> has crossed my mind, I'd have to go for a fairly small frame. For my 6 ft 
> height and 89 cm PBH, I'm between the 57 and 61 cm size for the Roadini, 
> and the 57 cm has a 59 cm top tube, so that would be my size, and the stem 
> would have to be short, which doesn't look good to my eyes.
>
> For what it's worth, our pavement here in freeze/thaw country 
> (mid-Michigan) is famously nasty, and for road riding, I like 32 mm 
> GP5000s... add some dirt roads, and I'm currently riding 35 mm Paselas, 
> which seem to roll pretty fast and do OK on loose surfaces. I see no reason 
> to go wide on asphalt.
>
> To buy any bicycle:
> - decide on the tire you want to ride, which means pick the target roads 
> and routes.
> - decide if you'll mount fenders. 
> - now look at the frames that will accomodate the first criteria, and see 
> if you can find your size.
>
> It may be that a detour through an older (~1980) Trek or Raleigh is the 
> way to find your setup... most of the parts will move right over, plus it's 
> fun.
>
> cheers -mathias
>
>
>
> To view this discussion on the web visit 
> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/43ff7469-c029-4b2a-83bf-3ce31d020790n%40googlegroups.com
>  
> 
> .
>
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Re: [RBW] Best Rivendell for pavement riding

[Mathias Steiner]

Hi Chuck,

I've never owned a Rivendell, so I believe it's important I chime in... 
because of this:

>> I tried a Roadini (which I recently listed here and sold), but I think 
it was too big for me.

It probably wasn't too "big", it was probably too long in the top tube.

In the current Riv idea space, the Albatross is the handlebar of choice. 
The one Grant says he'll ride when he's old. I'd argue you can't build a 
bike that accomodates swept back AND drop handlebars for the same rider in 
the same size. The difference is  only a few cm, but they matter. 

I tend to pick one bike every year and build it from the frame up, to ride 
it and see how I like it, and what I can learn from it. And since I always 
use a Brooks B17 and a Nitto Noodle, that provides a handy size reference. 
The distance from the saddle tip to the handlebar cross tube is always the 
same when I'm done fitting it.. and it matches the ancient rule that if you 
put your elbow against the tip of the saddle, the finger tips should just 
reach the handlebar. Stem lengths go from 70 to 100 mm, on frames ranging 
from from a 52 cm Bruce Gordon BLT to a a 25 inch (63.5 cm) Cannondale 
ST600 to and a few in between. Top tube length (effective) ranges from 56 
to 59 cm. 

So figure out what YOUR saddle/bar distance or top tube length should be, 
and find your size accordingly. Were I to buy a Roadini, and the thought 
has crossed my mind, I'd have to go for a fairly small frame. For my 6 ft 
height and 89 cm PBH, I'm between the 57 and 61 cm size for the Roadini, 
and the 57 cm has a 59 cm top tube, so that would be my size, and the stem 
would have to be short, which doesn't look good to my eyes.

For what it's worth, our pavement here in freeze/thaw country 
(mid-Michigan) is famously nasty, and for road riding, I like 32 mm 
GP5000s... add some dirt roads, and I'm currently riding 35 mm Paselas, 
which seem to roll pretty fast and do OK on loose surfaces. I see no reason 
to go wide on asphalt.

To buy any bicycle:
- decide on the tire you want to ride, which means pick the target roads 
and routes.
- decide if you'll mount fenders. 
- now look at the frames that will accomodate the first criteria, and see 
if you can find your size.

It may be that a detour through an older (~1980) Trek or Raleigh is the way 
to find your setup... most of the parts will move right over, plus it's fun.

cheers -mathias



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Re: [RBW] Best Rivendell for pavement riding

[larson....@gmail.com]

Luke,
I must have missed the fact that the Atlantis will be available. It was not 
listed on frame schedule. To the OP, I think a Hillborne would be a fine 
road bike if speed is not a priority.
Randy in WI

On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 12:34:54 AM UTC-6 John Dewey wrote:

> John, brakes are Ultegra. Light action, yet lots of power. 
>
> Jock
>
> On Mon, Mar 4, 2024 at 3:43 PM John Bokman  wrote:
>
>> Fantastic Jock!  What brakes are you using?
>>
>> -John
>>
>> On Monday, March 4, 2024 at 9:00:07 AM UTC-8 John Dewey wrote:
>>
>>> I clearly recall the first time I hopped on my RAM 2004. 
>>>
>>> Epiphany! 
>>>
>>> A few years ago I sent it off for the Joe Bell Treatment…now it’s as 
>>> beautiful and tasty as any bespoke two-wheeler. 
>>>
>>> https://flic.kr/p/2kafNb7
>>>
>>> Jock
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 4, 2024 at 8:24 AM Mike Godwin  wrote:
>>>
 I think my FS Roadeo is a good contender! All prodding aside, it is a 
 great pavement bike, works well on dirt roads too as it will fit 700x35 
 tires.
 Mike SLO CA
 On Monday, March 4, 2024 at 7:50:49 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> The Ram is indeed a worthy contender, but I was thinking of current 
> models (I think those I listed are current ...?)
>
> On Sun, Mar 3, 2024 at 3:49 PM Corwin Zechar  wrote:
>
>> Patrick -
>>
>> You forgot the Ram!
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Corwni
>> On Saturday, March 2, 2024 at 2:23:07 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Roadeo, Roadini, Sam, Homer, and the Nitto Noodle?
>>>
>>> FWIW, after having used any number of drop bars, my favorite is the 
>>> Maes Parallel, available from Rene Herse but not from Rivendell. 
>>> (Rivendell 
>>> ought to offer it!)
>>>
>>> Patrick Moore, present and former owner of 5 Rivendell drop bar 
>>> road/roady-ish bikes
>>>
>>> On Sat, Mar 2, 2024 at 11:56 AM Chuck Blessing  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I really like the Rivendell approach to bikes and bike technology 
 with the idea of a more upright posture and a long wheelbase for long 
 rides 
 at a comfortable pace, but it seems like the models all lean heavily 
 to 
 what they call "country bikes."  I like to ride from my house, and 
 that 
 means riding almost exclusively on smooth (mostly) pavement. Can 
 anyone 
 suggest which models are better suited for road riding? Reading and 
 comparing the descriptions, it seems that the Homer might be a good 
 choice, 
 or possibly the Appaloosa or Atlantis? Or the new Charlie Gallop, 
 though I 
 haven't heard much about how it is supposed to ride? I tried a Roadini 
 (which I recently listed here and sold), but I think it was too big 
 for me. 
 I never felt comfortable on it. Maybe I just needed it in the right 
 size. 

 I would like the bike to work well with drop bars because of the 
 multiple hand positions and they're just what I'm used to. I tried a 
 bike 
 with swept bars recently, but found I wasn't comfortable on longer 
 rides. 
 And when riding on streets with minimal shoulder width, I felt like I 
 was 
 going to catch the end of them on mailboxes or other obstacles. Maybe 
 there's a handlebar in Rivendell's catalog that works well for road 
 riding?

 I'd appreciate any comments, especially if someone does this type 
 of riding and has tried several of these models. Thanks.

 Chuck

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Re: [RBW] Best Rivendell for pavement riding

[John Dewey]

John, brakes are Ultegra. Light action, yet lots of power.

Jock

On Mon, Mar 4, 2024 at 3:43 PM John Bokman  wrote:

> Fantastic Jock!  What brakes are you using?
>
> -John
>
> On Monday, March 4, 2024 at 9:00:07 AM UTC-8 John Dewey wrote:
>
>> I clearly recall the first time I hopped on my RAM 2004.
>>
>> Epiphany!
>>
>> A few years ago I sent it off for the Joe Bell Treatment…now it’s as
>> beautiful and tasty as any bespoke two-wheeler.
>>
>> https://flic.kr/p/2kafNb7
>>
>> Jock
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 4, 2024 at 8:24 AM Mike Godwin  wrote:
>>
>>> I think my FS Roadeo is a good contender! All prodding aside, it is a
>>> great pavement bike, works well on dirt roads too as it will fit 700x35
>>> tires.
>>> Mike SLO CA
>>> On Monday, March 4, 2024 at 7:50:49 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 The Ram is indeed a worthy contender, but I was thinking of current
 models (I think those I listed are current ...?)

 On Sun, Mar 3, 2024 at 3:49 PM Corwin Zechar  wrote:

> Patrick -
>
> You forgot the Ram!
>
> Regards,
>
> Corwni
> On Saturday, March 2, 2024 at 2:23:07 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Roadeo, Roadini, Sam, Homer, and the Nitto Noodle?
>>
>> FWIW, after having used any number of drop bars, my favorite is the
>> Maes Parallel, available from Rene Herse but not from Rivendell. 
>> (Rivendell
>> ought to offer it!)
>>
>> Patrick Moore, present and former owner of 5 Rivendell drop bar
>> road/roady-ish bikes
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 2, 2024 at 11:56 AM Chuck Blessing 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I really like the Rivendell approach to bikes and bike technology
>>> with the idea of a more upright posture and a long wheelbase for long 
>>> rides
>>> at a comfortable pace, but it seems like the models all lean heavily to
>>> what they call "country bikes."  I like to ride from my house, and that
>>> means riding almost exclusively on smooth (mostly) pavement. Can anyone
>>> suggest which models are better suited for road riding? Reading and
>>> comparing the descriptions, it seems that the Homer might be a good 
>>> choice,
>>> or possibly the Appaloosa or Atlantis? Or the new Charlie Gallop, 
>>> though I
>>> haven't heard much about how it is supposed to ride? I tried a Roadini
>>> (which I recently listed here and sold), but I think it was too big for 
>>> me.
>>> I never felt comfortable on it. Maybe I just needed it in the right 
>>> size.
>>>
>>> I would like the bike to work well with drop bars because of the
>>> multiple hand positions and they're just what I'm used to. I tried a 
>>> bike
>>> with swept bars recently, but found I wasn't comfortable on longer 
>>> rides.
>>> And when riding on streets with minimal shoulder width, I felt like I 
>>> was
>>> going to catch the end of them on mailboxes or other obstacles. Maybe
>>> there's a handlebar in Rivendell's catalog that works well for road 
>>> riding?
>>>
>>> I'd appreciate any comments, especially if someone does this type of
>>> riding and has tried several of these models. Thanks.
>>>
>>> Chuck
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Best Rivendell for pavement riding

[Luke Hendrickson]

Worth noting: the Atlantis *will* be available later this year. 

On Monday, March 4, 2024 at 9:57:14 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> The other way to discover what you really want to ride is to buy a lot of 
> bikes that sort of look like what you want (you are not sure what you 
> want), upgrade them all, repeat several times as you try to perfect 
> previously unrealized imperfections, then sell them at a loss. Do this for 
> a couple of decades, then buy customs. This method costs a bit more than 
> the other one.
>
> But yes, ride lots of Rivendells. All those I've owned (I bought 5 
> including a 2nd-gen Ram and kept one that will turn 25 in April) all had a 
> certain common handling and "feel" in common. And I do think that a Ram, if 
> you don't want to spring for a Roadeo, might well be what you are looking 
> for.
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 4, 2024 at 7:39 PM Corwin Zechar  wrote:
>
>> ... Ride lots of bikes - Rivendells if possible. Think carefully about 
>> what you want. Don't be afraid to try different things. Meditate on the 
>> differences. And most of all, practice patience if you are looking for a 
>> Ram.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Best Rivendell for pavement riding

[Patrick Moore]

The other way to discover what you really want to ride is to buy a lot of
bikes that sort of look like what you want (you are not sure what you
want), upgrade them all, repeat several times as you try to perfect
previously unrealized imperfections, then sell them at a loss. Do this for
a couple of decades, then buy customs. This method costs a bit more than
the other one.

But yes, ride lots of Rivendells. All those I've owned (I bought 5
including a 2nd-gen Ram and kept one that will turn 25 in April) all had a
certain common handling and "feel" in common. And I do think that a Ram, if
you don't want to spring for a Roadeo, might well be what you are looking
for.


On Mon, Mar 4, 2024 at 7:39 PM Corwin Zechar  wrote:

> ... Ride lots of bikes - Rivendells if possible. Think carefully about
> what you want. Don't be afraid to try different things. Meditate on the
> differences. And most of all, practice patience if you are looking for a
> Ram.
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Re: [RBW] Best Rivendell for pavement riding

[Corwin Zechar]

In my opinion, the best value in Rivendell bikes for road (and occasional 
off-road) is the Ram. It has longish chainstays. Not as long as current 
models - but plenty long to support wide tires and a comfy ride. The Ram 
has a rather deep bottom bracket drop (77mm in my 60cm size). The only bike 
I have with more bottom bracket drop (and a better, more stable ride) is my 
custom at 80mm. The Ram has a 2.0 degree upsloping top tube and the 
characteristic tall head tube lug. This is great if you want (like Grant) 
to get the bars up. Not as great if (like me) you want to slam the bars. 
Whereas the Sam (and other current models) have a 6.0 degree upsloping top 
tube. This makes it much easier to get the bars up.

The Roadeo geometry is similar to the Ram. The Roadeo has a 2.0 degree 
upsloping top tube and the characteristic Rivendell tall head lug. The 
Roadeo has a 75mm bottom bracket drop (in my size). I am not cognizant of 
the specs - but I think the Roadeo has lighter tubes.

My take is that if you want to get your bars up - buy a Sam. If you prefer 
a much less upright posture, buy a Ram. I admit that buying a Ram is easier 
said than done. However if you are on this list, you already have a head 
start on an important character trait required to acquire a Ram - patience. 
Rams appear on this list, Craigslist, Ebay, etc. periodically. You need to 
keep your eyes peeled for what you want and beat the bushes!

I got my Ram this way. A first generation cream-sicle Ram in excellent 
condition from the previous owner that passed into the great beyond. I 
joined the precursor to this list (before the Google Group) in '97. I have 
watched lots of bikes come and go. Many, many Rivendells.

Ride lots of bikes - Rivendells if possible. Think carefully about what you 
want. Don't be afraid to try different things. Meditate on the differences. 
And most of all, practice patience if you are looking for a Ram.

Regards,

Corwin
On Monday, March 4, 2024 at 5:28:11 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Roadeo would be its direct descendant in a lighter frame handbuilt by Mark 
> Nobilette. The other sidepull-brake frames qualify but they're not classic 
> flat-toptube road bikes. 
>
> On Monday, March 4, 2024 at 5:20:44 PM UTC-8 cfic...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Lots of love for the Rambouillet here! What would be the comparable model 
>> in the current lineup? 
>>
>> On Monday, March 4, 2024 at 7:40:28 PM UTC-5 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah, Rambouillet is the best!
>>> [image: IMG_8283_Original.jpeg]
>>> -Kai
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, March 3, 2024 at 5:49:08 PM UTC-5 cz...@sonic.net wrote:
>>>
 Patrick -

 You forgot the Ram!

 Regards,

 Corwni
 On Saturday, March 2, 2024 at 2:23:07 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Roadeo, Roadini, Sam, Homer, and the Nitto Noodle?
>
> FWIW, after having used any number of drop bars, my favorite is the 
> Maes Parallel, available from Rene Herse but not from Rivendell. 
> (Rivendell 
> ought to offer it!)
>
> Patrick Moore, present and former owner of 5 Rivendell drop bar 
> road/roady-ish bikes
>
> On Sat, Mar 2, 2024 at 11:56 AM Chuck Blessing  
> wrote:
>
>> I really like the Rivendell approach to bikes and bike technology 
>> with the idea of a more upright posture and a long wheelbase for long 
>> rides 
>> at a comfortable pace, but it seems like the models all lean heavily to 
>> what they call "country bikes."  I like to ride from my house, and that 
>> means riding almost exclusively on smooth (mostly) pavement. Can anyone 
>> suggest which models are better suited for road riding? Reading and 
>> comparing the descriptions, it seems that the Homer might be a good 
>> choice, 
>> or possibly the Appaloosa or Atlantis? Or the new Charlie Gallop, though 
>> I 
>> haven't heard much about how it is supposed to ride? I tried a Roadini 
>> (which I recently listed here and sold), but I think it was too big for 
>> me. 
>> I never felt comfortable on it. Maybe I just needed it in the right 
>> size. 
>>
>> I would like the bike to work well with drop bars because of the 
>> multiple hand positions and they're just what I'm used to. I tried a 
>> bike 
>> with swept bars recently, but found I wasn't comfortable on longer 
>> rides. 
>> And when riding on streets with minimal shoulder width, I felt like I 
>> was 
>> going to catch the end of them on mailboxes or other obstacles. Maybe 
>> there's a handlebar in Rivendell's catalog that works well for road 
>> riding?
>>
>> I'd appreciate any comments, especially if someone does this type of 
>> riding and has tried several of these models. Thanks.
>>
>> Chuck
>>
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Re: [RBW] Best Rivendell for pavement riding

[Joe Bernard]

Roadeo would be its direct descendant in a lighter frame handbuilt by Mark 
Nobilette. The other sidepull-brake frames qualify but they're not classic 
flat-toptube road bikes. 

On Monday, March 4, 2024 at 5:20:44 PM UTC-8 cfic...@gmail.com wrote:

> Lots of love for the Rambouillet here! What would be the comparable model 
> in the current lineup? 
>
> On Monday, March 4, 2024 at 7:40:28 PM UTC-5 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY wrote:
>
>> Yeah, Rambouillet is the best!
>> [image: IMG_8283_Original.jpeg]
>> -Kai
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, March 3, 2024 at 5:49:08 PM UTC-5 cz...@sonic.net wrote:
>>
>>> Patrick -
>>>
>>> You forgot the Ram!
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Corwni
>>> On Saturday, March 2, 2024 at 2:23:07 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 Roadeo, Roadini, Sam, Homer, and the Nitto Noodle?

 FWIW, after having used any number of drop bars, my favorite is the 
 Maes Parallel, available from Rene Herse but not from Rivendell. 
 (Rivendell 
 ought to offer it!)

 Patrick Moore, present and former owner of 5 Rivendell drop bar 
 road/roady-ish bikes

 On Sat, Mar 2, 2024 at 11:56 AM Chuck Blessing  
 wrote:

> I really like the Rivendell approach to bikes and bike technology with 
> the idea of a more upright posture and a long wheelbase for long rides at 
> a 
> comfortable pace, but it seems like the models all lean heavily to what 
> they call "country bikes."  I like to ride from my house, and that means 
> riding almost exclusively on smooth (mostly) pavement. Can anyone suggest 
> which models are better suited for road riding? Reading and comparing the 
> descriptions, it seems that the Homer might be a good choice, or possibly 
> the Appaloosa or Atlantis? Or the new Charlie Gallop, though I haven't 
> heard much about how it is supposed to ride? I tried a Roadini (which I 
> recently listed here and sold), but I think it was too big for me. I 
> never 
> felt comfortable on it. Maybe I just needed it in the right size. 
>
> I would like the bike to work well with drop bars because of the 
> multiple hand positions and they're just what I'm used to. I tried a bike 
> with swept bars recently, but found I wasn't comfortable on longer rides. 
> And when riding on streets with minimal shoulder width, I felt like I was 
> going to catch the end of them on mailboxes or other obstacles. Maybe 
> there's a handlebar in Rivendell's catalog that works well for road 
> riding?
>
> I'd appreciate any comments, especially if someone does this type of 
> riding and has tried several of these models. Thanks.
>
> Chuck
>
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Re: [RBW] Best Rivendell for pavement riding

[Chuck Blessing]

Lots of love for the Rambouillet here! What would be the comparable model 
in the current lineup? 

On Monday, March 4, 2024 at 7:40:28 PM UTC-5 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY wrote:

> Yeah, Rambouillet is the best!
> [image: IMG_8283_Original.jpeg]
> -Kai
>
>
>
> On Sunday, March 3, 2024 at 5:49:08 PM UTC-5 cz...@sonic.net wrote:
>
>> Patrick -
>>
>> You forgot the Ram!
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Corwni
>> On Saturday, March 2, 2024 at 2:23:07 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Roadeo, Roadini, Sam, Homer, and the Nitto Noodle?
>>>
>>> FWIW, after having used any number of drop bars, my favorite is the Maes 
>>> Parallel, available from Rene Herse but not from Rivendell. (Rivendell 
>>> ought to offer it!)
>>>
>>> Patrick Moore, present and former owner of 5 Rivendell drop bar 
>>> road/roady-ish bikes
>>>
>>> On Sat, Mar 2, 2024 at 11:56 AM Chuck Blessing  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I really like the Rivendell approach to bikes and bike technology with 
 the idea of a more upright posture and a long wheelbase for long rides at 
 a 
 comfortable pace, but it seems like the models all lean heavily to what 
 they call "country bikes."  I like to ride from my house, and that means 
 riding almost exclusively on smooth (mostly) pavement. Can anyone suggest 
 which models are better suited for road riding? Reading and comparing the 
 descriptions, it seems that the Homer might be a good choice, or possibly 
 the Appaloosa or Atlantis? Or the new Charlie Gallop, though I haven't 
 heard much about how it is supposed to ride? I tried a Roadini (which I 
 recently listed here and sold), but I think it was too big for me. I never 
 felt comfortable on it. Maybe I just needed it in the right size. 

 I would like the bike to work well with drop bars because of the 
 multiple hand positions and they're just what I'm used to. I tried a bike 
 with swept bars recently, but found I wasn't comfortable on longer rides. 
 And when riding on streets with minimal shoulder width, I felt like I was 
 going to catch the end of them on mailboxes or other obstacles. Maybe 
 there's a handlebar in Rivendell's catalog that works well for road riding?

 I'd appreciate any comments, especially if someone does this type of 
 riding and has tried several of these models. Thanks.

 Chuck

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Re: [RBW] Best Rivendell for pavement riding

[Ryan Mulcahy]

Hi! This is my first time posting. My wife has a Joe and I brought home a 
Hilsen in the fall. They are both beautiful bikes and wonderful rides. The 
Hilsen has a little more zip, it seems to me - I'd say if you're absolutely 
sure about pavement-only, try for that. But the Joe is not a slow bike 
(it's not a race bike either!) -- it just takes a little longer to get up 
to speed -- and is prob a touch more versatile. It's not quite as drop bar 
friendly, however, so that's something to consider. 



On Monday, March 4, 2024 at 12:00:07 PM UTC-5 John Dewey wrote:

> I clearly recall the first time I hopped on my RAM 2004. 
>
> Epiphany! 
>
> A few years ago I sent it off for the Joe Bell Treatment…now it’s as 
> beautiful and tasty as any bespoke two-wheeler. 
>
> https://flic.kr/p/2kafNb7
>
> Jock
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 4, 2024 at 8:24 AM Mike Godwin  wrote:
>
>> I think my FS Roadeo is a good contender! All prodding aside, it is a 
>> great pavement bike, works well on dirt roads too as it will fit 700x35 
>> tires.
>> Mike SLO CA
>> On Monday, March 4, 2024 at 7:50:49 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> The Ram is indeed a worthy contender, but I was thinking of current 
>>> models (I think those I listed are current ...?)
>>>
>>> On Sun, Mar 3, 2024 at 3:49 PM Corwin Zechar  wrote:
>>>
 Patrick -

 You forgot the Ram!

 Regards,

 Corwni
 On Saturday, March 2, 2024 at 2:23:07 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Roadeo, Roadini, Sam, Homer, and the Nitto Noodle?
>
> FWIW, after having used any number of drop bars, my favorite is the 
> Maes Parallel, available from Rene Herse but not from Rivendell. 
> (Rivendell 
> ought to offer it!)
>
> Patrick Moore, present and former owner of 5 Rivendell drop bar 
> road/roady-ish bikes
>
> On Sat, Mar 2, 2024 at 11:56 AM Chuck Blessing  
> wrote:
>
>> I really like the Rivendell approach to bikes and bike technology 
>> with the idea of a more upright posture and a long wheelbase for long 
>> rides 
>> at a comfortable pace, but it seems like the models all lean heavily to 
>> what they call "country bikes."  I like to ride from my house, and that 
>> means riding almost exclusively on smooth (mostly) pavement. Can anyone 
>> suggest which models are better suited for road riding? Reading and 
>> comparing the descriptions, it seems that the Homer might be a good 
>> choice, 
>> or possibly the Appaloosa or Atlantis? Or the new Charlie Gallop, though 
>> I 
>> haven't heard much about how it is supposed to ride? I tried a Roadini 
>> (which I recently listed here and sold), but I think it was too big for 
>> me. 
>> I never felt comfortable on it. Maybe I just needed it in the right 
>> size. 
>>
>> I would like the bike to work well with drop bars because of the 
>> multiple hand positions and they're just what I'm used to. I tried a 
>> bike 
>> with swept bars recently, but found I wasn't comfortable on longer 
>> rides. 
>> And when riding on streets with minimal shoulder width, I felt like I 
>> was 
>> going to catch the end of them on mailboxes or other obstacles. Maybe 
>> there's a handlebar in Rivendell's catalog that works well for road 
>> riding?
>>
>> I'd appreciate any comments, especially if someone does this type of 
>> riding and has tried several of these models. Thanks.
>>
>> Chuck
>>
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RE: [RBW] Best Rivendell for pavement riding

[Bernard Duhon]

Acorn Medium saddlebag
My favorite by far.

From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of John Bokman
Sent: Monday, March 4, 2024 5:44 PM
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Subject: Re: [RBW] Best Rivendell for pavement riding

Fantastic Jock!  What brakes are you using?

-John
On Monday, March 4, 2024 at 9:00:07 AM UTC-8 John Dewey wrote:
I clearly recall the first time I hopped on my RAM 2004.

Epiphany!

A few years ago I sent it off for the Joe Bell Treatment…now it’s as beautiful 
and tasty as any bespoke two-wheeler.

https://flic.kr/p/2kafNb7

Jock






On Mon, Mar 4, 2024 at 8:24 AM Mike Godwin  wrote:
I think my FS Roadeo is a good contender! All prodding aside, it is a great 
pavement bike, works well on dirt roads too as it will fit 700x35 tires.
Mike SLO CA
On Monday, March 4, 2024 at 7:50:49 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
The Ram is indeed a worthy contender, but I was thinking of current models (I 
think those I listed are current ...?)

On Sun, Mar 3, 2024 at 3:49 PM Corwin Zechar 
mailto:cz...@sonic.net>> wrote:
Patrick -

You forgot the Ram!

Regards,

Corwni
On Saturday, March 2, 2024 at 2:23:07 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
Roadeo, Roadini, Sam, Homer, and the Nitto Noodle?

FWIW, after having used any number of drop bars, my favorite is the Maes 
Parallel, available from Rene Herse but not from Rivendell. (Rivendell ought to 
offer it!)

Patrick Moore, present and former owner of 5 Rivendell drop bar road/roady-ish 
bikes

On Sat, Mar 2, 2024 at 11:56 AM Chuck Blessing 
mailto:cfic...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I really like the Rivendell approach to bikes and bike technology with the idea 
of a more upright posture and a long wheelbase for long rides at a comfortable 
pace, but it seems like the models all lean heavily to what they call "country 
bikes."  I like to ride from my house, and that means riding almost exclusively 
on smooth (mostly) pavement. Can anyone suggest which models are better suited 
for road riding? Reading and comparing the descriptions, it seems that the 
Homer might be a good choice, or possibly the Appaloosa or Atlantis? Or the new 
Charlie Gallop, though I haven't heard much about how it is supposed to ride? I 
tried a Roadini (which I recently listed here and sold), but I think it was too 
big for me. I never felt comfortable on it. Maybe I just needed it in the right 
size.

I would like the bike to work well with drop bars because of the multiple hand 
positions and they're just what I'm used to. I tried a bike with swept bars 
recently, but found I wasn't comfortable on longer rides. And when riding on 
streets with minimal shoulder width, I felt like I was going to catch the end 
of them on mailboxes or other obstacles. Maybe there's a handlebar in 
Rivendell's catalog that works well for road riding?

I'd appreciate any comments, especially if someone does this type of riding and 
has tried several of these models. Thanks.

Chuck
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Re: [RBW] Best Rivendell for pavement riding

[John Bokman]

Fantastic Jock!  What brakes are you using?

-John

On Monday, March 4, 2024 at 9:00:07 AM UTC-8 John Dewey wrote:

> I clearly recall the first time I hopped on my RAM 2004. 
>
> Epiphany! 
>
> A few years ago I sent it off for the Joe Bell Treatment…now it’s as 
> beautiful and tasty as any bespoke two-wheeler. 
>
> https://flic.kr/p/2kafNb7
>
> Jock
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 4, 2024 at 8:24 AM Mike Godwin  wrote:
>
>> I think my FS Roadeo is a good contender! All prodding aside, it is a 
>> great pavement bike, works well on dirt roads too as it will fit 700x35 
>> tires.
>> Mike SLO CA
>> On Monday, March 4, 2024 at 7:50:49 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> The Ram is indeed a worthy contender, but I was thinking of current 
>>> models (I think those I listed are current ...?)
>>>
>>> On Sun, Mar 3, 2024 at 3:49 PM Corwin Zechar  wrote:
>>>
 Patrick -

 You forgot the Ram!

 Regards,

 Corwni
 On Saturday, March 2, 2024 at 2:23:07 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Roadeo, Roadini, Sam, Homer, and the Nitto Noodle?
>
> FWIW, after having used any number of drop bars, my favorite is the 
> Maes Parallel, available from Rene Herse but not from Rivendell. 
> (Rivendell 
> ought to offer it!)
>
> Patrick Moore, present and former owner of 5 Rivendell drop bar 
> road/roady-ish bikes
>
> On Sat, Mar 2, 2024 at 11:56 AM Chuck Blessing  
> wrote:
>
>> I really like the Rivendell approach to bikes and bike technology 
>> with the idea of a more upright posture and a long wheelbase for long 
>> rides 
>> at a comfortable pace, but it seems like the models all lean heavily to 
>> what they call "country bikes."  I like to ride from my house, and that 
>> means riding almost exclusively on smooth (mostly) pavement. Can anyone 
>> suggest which models are better suited for road riding? Reading and 
>> comparing the descriptions, it seems that the Homer might be a good 
>> choice, 
>> or possibly the Appaloosa or Atlantis? Or the new Charlie Gallop, though 
>> I 
>> haven't heard much about how it is supposed to ride? I tried a Roadini 
>> (which I recently listed here and sold), but I think it was too big for 
>> me. 
>> I never felt comfortable on it. Maybe I just needed it in the right 
>> size. 
>>
>> I would like the bike to work well with drop bars because of the 
>> multiple hand positions and they're just what I'm used to. I tried a 
>> bike 
>> with swept bars recently, but found I wasn't comfortable on longer 
>> rides. 
>> And when riding on streets with minimal shoulder width, I felt like I 
>> was 
>> going to catch the end of them on mailboxes or other obstacles. Maybe 
>> there's a handlebar in Rivendell's catalog that works well for road 
>> riding?
>>
>> I'd appreciate any comments, especially if someone does this type of 
>> riding and has tried several of these models. Thanks.
>>
>> Chuck
>>
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Re: [RBW] Best Rivendell for pavement riding

[John Dewey]

I clearly recall the first time I hopped on my RAM 2004.

Epiphany!

A few years ago I sent it off for the Joe Bell Treatment…now it’s as
beautiful and tasty as any bespoke two-wheeler.

https://flic.kr/p/2kafNb7

Jock






On Mon, Mar 4, 2024 at 8:24 AM Mike Godwin  wrote:

> I think my FS Roadeo is a good contender! All prodding aside, it is a
> great pavement bike, works well on dirt roads too as it will fit 700x35
> tires.
> Mike SLO CA
> On Monday, March 4, 2024 at 7:50:49 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> The Ram is indeed a worthy contender, but I was thinking of current
>> models (I think those I listed are current ...?)
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 3, 2024 at 3:49 PM Corwin Zechar  wrote:
>>
>>> Patrick -
>>>
>>> You forgot the Ram!
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Corwni
>>> On Saturday, March 2, 2024 at 2:23:07 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 Roadeo, Roadini, Sam, Homer, and the Nitto Noodle?

 FWIW, after having used any number of drop bars, my favorite is the
 Maes Parallel, available from Rene Herse but not from Rivendell. (Rivendell
 ought to offer it!)

 Patrick Moore, present and former owner of 5 Rivendell drop bar
 road/roady-ish bikes

 On Sat, Mar 2, 2024 at 11:56 AM Chuck Blessing 
 wrote:

> I really like the Rivendell approach to bikes and bike technology with
> the idea of a more upright posture and a long wheelbase for long rides at 
> a
> comfortable pace, but it seems like the models all lean heavily to what
> they call "country bikes."  I like to ride from my house, and that means
> riding almost exclusively on smooth (mostly) pavement. Can anyone suggest
> which models are better suited for road riding? Reading and comparing the
> descriptions, it seems that the Homer might be a good choice, or possibly
> the Appaloosa or Atlantis? Or the new Charlie Gallop, though I haven't
> heard much about how it is supposed to ride? I tried a Roadini (which I
> recently listed here and sold), but I think it was too big for me. I never
> felt comfortable on it. Maybe I just needed it in the right size.
>
> I would like the bike to work well with drop bars because of the
> multiple hand positions and they're just what I'm used to. I tried a bike
> with swept bars recently, but found I wasn't comfortable on longer rides.
> And when riding on streets with minimal shoulder width, I felt like I was
> going to catch the end of them on mailboxes or other obstacles. Maybe
> there's a handlebar in Rivendell's catalog that works well for road 
> riding?
>
> I'd appreciate any comments, especially if someone does this type of
> riding and has tried several of these models. Thanks.
>
> Chuck
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Re: [RBW] Best Rivendell for pavement riding

[Chuck Blessing]

Thanks for the suggestions, Patrick. I had a 54cm Roadini, which didn't 
feel good, possibly because it was too big for me. That model does seem to 
be the obvious choice, but I'm a bit wary of trying one in 50cm, because 
the size may not have been the problem. The Homer is the other one that 
seems to be more of a road bike than a trail bike. But then you also 
mention the Sam, which seems to be described as a  country bike but also 
good on the road. So much to consider.
On Saturday, March 2, 2024 at 7:46:46 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> By all reports the Atlantis in its various iterations is a wonderful bike 
> -- it's one I'd consider owning if it took fatter tires -- but the OP said 
> he rides on smooth pavement. 
>
> On Sat, Mar 2, 2024 at 4:11 PM Luke Hendrickson  
> wrote:
>
>> [image: IMG_1207.jpeg]
>> I ride a fair amount and most of it is paved for my commute. I have one 
>> Riv, an Atlantis, and it’s great for what I do with it. Currently, I have 
>> it fendered and racked since it’s rainy here in San Francisco and I try to 
>> ride most days. It’s not light, but it’s comfortable enough that I don’t 
>> mind. I’m running some 2.25” tires which definitely help make it even more 
>> plush and so very easy to ride miles and miles.
>>
>> I figure that you can’t go wrong with any Riv you choose, but I’d vote 
>> for the Atlantis before any other. 
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Re: [RBW] Best Rivendell for pavement riding

[Chuck Blessing]

Thanks Nick and Luke for your suggestions of the Atlantis. In the 
description of the Atlantis on the RBW web site, Grant describes the 
Appaloosa as very similar. And since the Atlantis is out of stock in my 
size and is not scheduled to be available this year, but the Appaloosa is, 
maybe it would be a good choice too? The one hesitation I have with these 
two, though, is that they have very long effective top tubes. So I'm not 
sure how well a drop bar would work on them, as it might require too much 
of a stretch to reach the bars. Or is there a good swept bar in the RBW 
catalog that would work well in a "road bike" configuration? Something not 
too wide with multiple hand positions? Thanks again.

On Saturday, March 2, 2024 at 7:26:51 PM UTC-5 thetaper...@gmail.com wrote:

> I also have only one Rivendell, and it is also the rainbow tube Atlantis. 
> I agree very much with my fellow one-Riv rider.
>
> My grandfather moved in with us in my senior year of high school, and 
> brought with him a mid-90s Cadillac DeVille. Two bench seats, automatic 
> shifting on the column. Not the fastest car on the road by any means, but 
> it was like driving a living room sofa. Such a unique and wonderful 
> experience. That, to me, has been my experience with the Atlantis. Rides 
> like a Cadillac.
>
> Nick in Falls Church, about 3k miles into the experience with my 2022 
> Atlantis.
>
> Best of luck on your decision.
>
> On Saturday, March 2, 2024 at 6:11:20 PM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>
>> [image: IMG_1207.jpeg]
>> I ride a fair amount and most of it is paved for my commute. I have one 
>> Riv, an Atlantis, and it’s great for what I do with it. Currently, I have 
>> it fendered and racked since it’s rainy here in San Francisco and I try to 
>> ride most days. It’s not light, but it’s comfortable enough that I don’t 
>> mind. I’m running some 2.25” tires which definitely help make it even more 
>> plush and so very easy to ride miles and miles.
>>
>> I figure that you can’t go wrong with any Riv you choose, but I’d vote 
>> for the Atlantis before any other. 
>>
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Re: [RBW] Best Rivendell for pavement riding

[Chuck Blessing]

Mike, I looked at this one, but from its description, it may be too much of 
a road bike (i.e. fast racy type bike) for me. I own a Tommasini, so want 
something more sedate. Chuck.

On Monday, March 4, 2024 at 11:24:15 AM UTC-5 Mike Godwin wrote:

> I think my FS Roadeo is a good contender! All prodding aside, it is a 
> great pavement bike, works well on dirt roads too as it will fit 700x35 
> tires.
> Mike SLO CA
> On Monday, March 4, 2024 at 7:50:49 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> The Ram is indeed a worthy contender, but I was thinking of current 
>> models (I think those I listed are current ...?)
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 3, 2024 at 3:49 PM Corwin Zechar  wrote:
>>
>>> Patrick -
>>>
>>> You forgot the Ram!
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Corwni
>>> On Saturday, March 2, 2024 at 2:23:07 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 Roadeo, Roadini, Sam, Homer, and the Nitto Noodle?

 FWIW, after having used any number of drop bars, my favorite is the 
 Maes Parallel, available from Rene Herse but not from Rivendell. 
 (Rivendell 
 ought to offer it!)

 Patrick Moore, present and former owner of 5 Rivendell drop bar 
 road/roady-ish bikes

 On Sat, Mar 2, 2024 at 11:56 AM Chuck Blessing  
 wrote:

> I really like the Rivendell approach to bikes and bike technology with 
> the idea of a more upright posture and a long wheelbase for long rides at 
> a 
> comfortable pace, but it seems like the models all lean heavily to what 
> they call "country bikes."  I like to ride from my house, and that means 
> riding almost exclusively on smooth (mostly) pavement. Can anyone suggest 
> which models are better suited for road riding? Reading and comparing the 
> descriptions, it seems that the Homer might be a good choice, or possibly 
> the Appaloosa or Atlantis? Or the new Charlie Gallop, though I haven't 
> heard much about how it is supposed to ride? I tried a Roadini (which I 
> recently listed here and sold), but I think it was too big for me. I 
> never 
> felt comfortable on it. Maybe I just needed it in the right size. 
>
> I would like the bike to work well with drop bars because of the 
> multiple hand positions and they're just what I'm used to. I tried a bike 
> with swept bars recently, but found I wasn't comfortable on longer rides. 
> And when riding on streets with minimal shoulder width, I felt like I was 
> going to catch the end of them on mailboxes or other obstacles. Maybe 
> there's a handlebar in Rivendell's catalog that works well for road 
> riding?
>
> I'd appreciate any comments, especially if someone does this type of 
> riding and has tried several of these models. Thanks.
>
> Chuck
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Re: [RBW] Best Rivendell for pavement riding

[Chuck Blessing]

Yes, I am interested only in currently available bikes.

On Monday, March 4, 2024 at 10:50:49 AM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> The Ram is indeed a worthy contender, but I was thinking of current models 
> (I think those I listed are current ...?)
>
> On Sun, Mar 3, 2024 at 3:49 PM Corwin Zechar  wrote:
>
>> Patrick -
>>
>> You forgot the Ram!
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Corwni
>> On Saturday, March 2, 2024 at 2:23:07 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Roadeo, Roadini, Sam, Homer, and the Nitto Noodle?
>>>
>>> FWIW, after having used any number of drop bars, my favorite is the Maes 
>>> Parallel, available from Rene Herse but not from Rivendell. (Rivendell 
>>> ought to offer it!)
>>>
>>> Patrick Moore, present and former owner of 5 Rivendell drop bar 
>>> road/roady-ish bikes
>>>
>>> On Sat, Mar 2, 2024 at 11:56 AM Chuck Blessing  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I really like the Rivendell approach to bikes and bike technology with 
 the idea of a more upright posture and a long wheelbase for long rides at 
 a 
 comfortable pace, but it seems like the models all lean heavily to what 
 they call "country bikes."  I like to ride from my house, and that means 
 riding almost exclusively on smooth (mostly) pavement. Can anyone suggest 
 which models are better suited for road riding? Reading and comparing the 
 descriptions, it seems that the Homer might be a good choice, or possibly 
 the Appaloosa or Atlantis? Or the new Charlie Gallop, though I haven't 
 heard much about how it is supposed to ride? I tried a Roadini (which I 
 recently listed here and sold), but I think it was too big for me. I never 
 felt comfortable on it. Maybe I just needed it in the right size. 

 I would like the bike to work well with drop bars because of the 
 multiple hand positions and they're just what I'm used to. I tried a bike 
 with swept bars recently, but found I wasn't comfortable on longer rides. 
 And when riding on streets with minimal shoulder width, I felt like I was 
 going to catch the end of them on mailboxes or other obstacles. Maybe 
 there's a handlebar in Rivendell's catalog that works well for road riding?

 I'd appreciate any comments, especially if someone does this type of 
 riding and has tried several of these models. Thanks.

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Seems like a lot of people love their Sams. Which handlebars are you using?
 

 

 

 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [RBW] Best Rivendell for pavement riding

[Mike Godwin]

I think my FS Roadeo is a good contender! All prodding aside, it is a great 
pavement bike, works well on dirt roads too as it will fit 700x35 tires.
Mike SLO CA
On Monday, March 4, 2024 at 7:50:49 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> The Ram is indeed a worthy contender, but I was thinking of current models 
> (I think those I listed are current ...?)
>
> On Sun, Mar 3, 2024 at 3:49 PM Corwin Zechar  wrote:
>
>> Patrick -
>>
>> You forgot the Ram!
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Corwni
>> On Saturday, March 2, 2024 at 2:23:07 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Roadeo, Roadini, Sam, Homer, and the Nitto Noodle?
>>>
>>> FWIW, after having used any number of drop bars, my favorite is the Maes 
>>> Parallel, available from Rene Herse but not from Rivendell. (Rivendell 
>>> ought to offer it!)
>>>
>>> Patrick Moore, present and former owner of 5 Rivendell drop bar 
>>> road/roady-ish bikes
>>>
>>> On Sat, Mar 2, 2024 at 11:56 AM Chuck Blessing  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I really like the Rivendell approach to bikes and bike technology with 
 the idea of a more upright posture and a long wheelbase for long rides at 
 a 
 comfortable pace, but it seems like the models all lean heavily to what 
 they call "country bikes."  I like to ride from my house, and that means 
 riding almost exclusively on smooth (mostly) pavement. Can anyone suggest 
 which models are better suited for road riding? Reading and comparing the 
 descriptions, it seems that the Homer might be a good choice, or possibly 
 the Appaloosa or Atlantis? Or the new Charlie Gallop, though I haven't 
 heard much about how it is supposed to ride? I tried a Roadini (which I 
 recently listed here and sold), but I think it was too big for me. I never 
 felt comfortable on it. Maybe I just needed it in the right size. 

 I would like the bike to work well with drop bars because of the 
 multiple hand positions and they're just what I'm used to. I tried a bike 
 with swept bars recently, but found I wasn't comfortable on longer rides. 
 And when riding on streets with minimal shoulder width, I felt like I was 
 going to catch the end of them on mailboxes or other obstacles. Maybe 
 there's a handlebar in Rivendell's catalog that works well for road riding?

 I'd appreciate any comments, especially if someone does this type of 
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Re: [RBW] Best Rivendell for pavement riding

[Patrick Moore]

The Ram is indeed a worthy contender, but I was thinking of current models
(I think those I listed are current ...?)

On Sun, Mar 3, 2024 at 3:49 PM Corwin Zechar  wrote:

> Patrick -
>
> You forgot the Ram!
>
> Regards,
>
> Corwni
> On Saturday, March 2, 2024 at 2:23:07 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Roadeo, Roadini, Sam, Homer, and the Nitto Noodle?
>>
>> FWIW, after having used any number of drop bars, my favorite is the Maes
>> Parallel, available from Rene Herse but not from Rivendell. (Rivendell
>> ought to offer it!)
>>
>> Patrick Moore, present and former owner of 5 Rivendell drop bar
>> road/roady-ish bikes
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 2, 2024 at 11:56 AM Chuck Blessing  wrote:
>>
>>> I really like the Rivendell approach to bikes and bike technology with
>>> the idea of a more upright posture and a long wheelbase for long rides at a
>>> comfortable pace, but it seems like the models all lean heavily to what
>>> they call "country bikes."  I like to ride from my house, and that means
>>> riding almost exclusively on smooth (mostly) pavement. Can anyone suggest
>>> which models are better suited for road riding? Reading and comparing the
>>> descriptions, it seems that the Homer might be a good choice, or possibly
>>> the Appaloosa or Atlantis? Or the new Charlie Gallop, though I haven't
>>> heard much about how it is supposed to ride? I tried a Roadini (which I
>>> recently listed here and sold), but I think it was too big for me. I never
>>> felt comfortable on it. Maybe I just needed it in the right size.
>>>
>>> I would like the bike to work well with drop bars because of the
>>> multiple hand positions and they're just what I'm used to. I tried a bike
>>> with swept bars recently, but found I wasn't comfortable on longer rides.
>>> And when riding on streets with minimal shoulder width, I felt like I was
>>> going to catch the end of them on mailboxes or other obstacles. Maybe
>>> there's a handlebar in Rivendell's catalog that works well for road riding?
>>>
>>> I'd appreciate any comments, especially if someone does this type of
>>> riding and has tried several of these models. Thanks.
>>>
>>> Chuck
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Re: [RBW] Best Rivendell for pavement riding

[ascpgh]

+1.
I've sat quietly on my vote since it's no longer available. 

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Sunday, March 3, 2024 at 5:49:08 PM UTC-5 cz...@sonic.net wrote:

> Patrick -
>
> You forgot the Ram!
>
> Regards,
>
> Corwni
> On Saturday, March 2, 2024 at 2:23:07 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Roadeo, Roadini, Sam, Homer, and the Nitto Noodle?
>>
>> FWIW, after having used any number of drop bars, my favorite is the Maes 
>> Parallel, available from Rene Herse but not from Rivendell. (Rivendell 
>> ought to offer it!)
>>
>> Patrick Moore, present and former owner of 5 Rivendell drop bar 
>> road/roady-ish bikes
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 2, 2024 at 11:56 AM Chuck Blessing  wrote:
>>
>>> I really like the Rivendell approach to bikes and bike technology with 
>>> the idea of a more upright posture and a long wheelbase for long rides at a 
>>> comfortable pace, but it seems like the models all lean heavily to what 
>>> they call "country bikes."  I like to ride from my house, and that means 
>>> riding almost exclusively on smooth (mostly) pavement. Can anyone suggest 
>>> which models are better suited for road riding? Reading and comparing the 
>>> descriptions, it seems that the Homer might be a good choice, or possibly 
>>> the Appaloosa or Atlantis? Or the new Charlie Gallop, though I haven't 
>>> heard much about how it is supposed to ride? I tried a Roadini (which I 
>>> recently listed here and sold), but I think it was too big for me. I never 
>>> felt comfortable on it. Maybe I just needed it in the right size. 
>>>
>>> I would like the bike to work well with drop bars because of the 
>>> multiple hand positions and they're just what I'm used to. I tried a bike 
>>> with swept bars recently, but found I wasn't comfortable on longer rides. 
>>> And when riding on streets with minimal shoulder width, I felt like I was 
>>> going to catch the end of them on mailboxes or other obstacles. Maybe 
>>> there's a handlebar in Rivendell's catalog that works well for road riding?
>>>
>>> I'd appreciate any comments, especially if someone does this type of 
>>> riding and has tried several of these models. Thanks.
>>>
>>> Chuck
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Re: [RBW] Best Rivendell for pavement riding

[aeroperf]

A Sam with 42mm tires at 55 psi.  Pure bliss on pavement.

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Re: [RBW] Best Rivendell for pavement riding

[Corwin Zechar]

Patrick -

You forgot the Ram!

Regards,

Corwni
On Saturday, March 2, 2024 at 2:23:07 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Roadeo, Roadini, Sam, Homer, and the Nitto Noodle?
>
> FWIW, after having used any number of drop bars, my favorite is the Maes 
> Parallel, available from Rene Herse but not from Rivendell. (Rivendell 
> ought to offer it!)
>
> Patrick Moore, present and former owner of 5 Rivendell drop bar 
> road/roady-ish bikes
>
> On Sat, Mar 2, 2024 at 11:56 AM Chuck Blessing  wrote:
>
>> I really like the Rivendell approach to bikes and bike technology with 
>> the idea of a more upright posture and a long wheelbase for long rides at a 
>> comfortable pace, but it seems like the models all lean heavily to what 
>> they call "country bikes."  I like to ride from my house, and that means 
>> riding almost exclusively on smooth (mostly) pavement. Can anyone suggest 
>> which models are better suited for road riding? Reading and comparing the 
>> descriptions, it seems that the Homer might be a good choice, or possibly 
>> the Appaloosa or Atlantis? Or the new Charlie Gallop, though I haven't 
>> heard much about how it is supposed to ride? I tried a Roadini (which I 
>> recently listed here and sold), but I think it was too big for me. I never 
>> felt comfortable on it. Maybe I just needed it in the right size. 
>>
>> I would like the bike to work well with drop bars because of the multiple 
>> hand positions and they're just what I'm used to. I tried a bike with swept 
>> bars recently, but found I wasn't comfortable on longer rides. And when 
>> riding on streets with minimal shoulder width, I felt like I was going to 
>> catch the end of them on mailboxes or other obstacles. Maybe there's a 
>> handlebar in Rivendell's catalog that works well for road riding?
>>
>> I'd appreciate any comments, especially if someone does this type of 
>> riding and has tried several of these models. Thanks.
>>
>> Chuck
>>
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Re: [RBW] Best Rivendell for pavement riding

[Nick A.]

I also have only one Rivendell, and it is also the rainbow tube Atlantis. I 
agree very much with my fellow one-Riv rider.

My grandfather moved in with us in my senior year of high school, and 
brought with him a mid-90s Cadillac DeVille. Two bench seats, automatic 
shifting on the column. Not the fastest car on the road by any means, but 
it was like driving a living room sofa. Such a unique and wonderful 
experience. That, to me, has been my experience with the Atlantis. Rides 
like a Cadillac.

Nick in Falls Church, about 3k miles into the experience with my 2022 
Atlantis.

Best of luck on your decision.

On Saturday, March 2, 2024 at 6:11:20 PM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:

> [image: IMG_1207.jpeg]
> I ride a fair amount and most of it is paved for my commute. I have one 
> Riv, an Atlantis, and it’s great for what I do with it. Currently, I have 
> it fendered and racked since it’s rainy here in San Francisco and I try to 
> ride most days. It’s not light, but it’s comfortable enough that I don’t 
> mind. I’m running some 2.25” tires which definitely help make it even more 
> plush and so very easy to ride miles and miles.
>
> I figure that you can’t go wrong with any Riv you choose, but I’d vote for 
> the Atlantis before any other. 
>
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Re: [RBW] Best Rivendell for pavement riding

[Patrick Moore]

Roadeo, Roadini, Sam, Homer, and the Nitto Noodle?

FWIW, after having used any number of drop bars, my favorite is the Maes
Parallel, available from Rene Herse but not from Rivendell. (Rivendell
ought to offer it!)

Patrick Moore, present and former owner of 5 Rivendell drop bar
road/roady-ish bikes

On Sat, Mar 2, 2024 at 11:56 AM Chuck Blessing  wrote:

> I really like the Rivendell approach to bikes and bike technology with the
> idea of a more upright posture and a long wheelbase for long rides at a
> comfortable pace, but it seems like the models all lean heavily to what
> they call "country bikes."  I like to ride from my house, and that means
> riding almost exclusively on smooth (mostly) pavement. Can anyone suggest
> which models are better suited for road riding? Reading and comparing the
> descriptions, it seems that the Homer might be a good choice, or possibly
> the Appaloosa or Atlantis? Or the new Charlie Gallop, though I haven't
> heard much about how it is supposed to ride? I tried a Roadini (which I
> recently listed here and sold), but I think it was too big for me. I never
> felt comfortable on it. Maybe I just needed it in the right size.
>
> I would like the bike to work well with drop bars because of the multiple
> hand positions and they're just what I'm used to. I tried a bike with swept
> bars recently, but found I wasn't comfortable on longer rides. And when
> riding on streets with minimal shoulder width, I felt like I was going to
> catch the end of them on mailboxes or other obstacles. Maybe there's a
> handlebar in Rivendell's catalog that works well for road riding?
>
> I'd appreciate any comments, especially if someone does this type of
> riding and has tried several of these models. Thanks.
>
> Chuck
>
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[RBW] Best Rivendell for pavement riding

[Chuck Blessing]

I really like the Rivendell approach to bikes and bike technology with the 
idea of a more upright posture and a long wheelbase for long rides at a 
comfortable pace, but it seems like the models all lean heavily to what 
they call "country bikes."  I like to ride from my house, and that means 
riding almost exclusively on smooth (mostly) pavement. Can anyone suggest 
which models are better suited for road riding? Reading and comparing the 
descriptions, it seems that the Homer might be a good choice, or possibly 
the Appaloosa or Atlantis? Or the new Charlie Gallop, though I haven't 
heard much about how it is supposed to ride? I tried a Roadini (which I 
recently listed here and sold), but I think it was too big for me. I never 
felt comfortable on it. Maybe I just needed it in the right size. 

I would like the bike to work well with drop bars because of the multiple 
hand positions and they're just what I'm used to. I tried a bike with swept 
bars recently, but found I wasn't comfortable on longer rides. And when 
riding on streets with minimal shoulder width, I felt like I was going to 
catch the end of them on mailboxes or other obstacles. Maybe there's a 
handlebar in Rivendell's catalog that works well for road riding?

I'd appreciate any comments, especially if someone does this type of riding 
and has tried several of these models. Thanks.

Chuck

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