Following up on my earlier post about the Ibex Wool Aire jackets where I
noted some first year buyers had problems with the zipper.
The Ibex website now reports the zipper is reworked for this year's model.
Pretty sure I will get one. Not for riding - I am with those who prefer
layers over
I use Dachstein wool gloves with silk base layer gloves on the real cold
commutes here in Chicago. For some reason the good Dachsteins are almost
impossible to source from the U.S. Some European on line sales outlets
carry them, but hit or miss. Fortunately I have a relative who skis in
On my last stupid cold commute of last winter, I was sweating when I got to
work. My body seems to go through and adjustment when riding; first is the
insult of work versus rest. I breathe a little more and sweat as if I'm
actually working. It all settles down before the tenth mile or so, no
I gave up over 10 years ago on what were then late-model tech in synthetic
cold weather insulating gear (I forget the names; the two tops I had were
thickish, dense knits that didn't stink after you sweat in them, and didn't
pill like some of the other non-stinking plastic knits).
Despite their
exactly - synthetic fleece makes you sweat and loses insulation value when
its wet.
I trout fish in the winter, and if synthetic fleece gloves get wet, they're
useless. Filson merino wool gloves will keep your hands warm even if
they're wet.
Ron: how do those fingerless ragg wool gloves do in wind, or while riding
in temperatures below freezing? One problem I encounter almost always is
cold thumbs and middle fingers, the digits that always press against the
surface of fingered gloves -- even those worn too large. The only really
warm
I'm not Ron, but the glove system I settled on years ago is a medium-thick
wool glove with a upsized leather glove over it. When exerting, this works
great to -10˚F or so. I add a cotton/leather over mitt when it's colder or
I'm not active as needed.
With abandon,
Patrick
On Friday, October
I decided to try something like this last year, tho' not using ragg wool
undergloves but regular PI or whatever gloves. Knit liners for 40F, lightly
padded gloves for down to 32F, then some heavy oversized leather work
gloves, then some thick leather mitts. It seems as if you get more warm per
At -10˚F it a short ride, to the Post or the waterfalls, so at most a few
miles.
With abandon,
Patrick
On Friday, October 25, 2013 7:42:54 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
I decided to try something like this last year, tho' not using ragg wool
undergloves but regular PI or whatever gloves.
it doesn't get that cold here. We have a few mornings in the teens, but
that means a sunny afternoon in the 50s or 60s. Now serious cold here is
mid-30s and 90% humidity. That mostly keeps us in, but full-finger cycling
gloves are enough for any winter riding we will do here (and we will
As the OP rides in SoCal, I would recommend my personal setup (in North
Carolina) of a Patagonia down vest with a Marmot Optima Gore-Tex
(paclite) shell. I actually like the vest over a long sleeve wool layer
when riding in the cold (doesn't overheat, usually), and the Optima jacket
is the
Some people sweat really really well. Thoroughly. With conviction. Those people
may also sleep hot. My normal temp is 96.8 instead of 98.6. I steam. My riding
clothes will not dry before bed, but I'll be sticking a leg out of the bag
before dawn to cool off.
Scottish German Irish Swiss
Have found I can sweat too much with a vapor barrier liner in my bag. Have
the one Rivendell sells, but only used it once. Do agree a good pad
helps. Have a (Big Agnes?) inflatable pad that packs small. Yes, a bother
to blow up every night, but works as well as my big Therm-a-Rest pads used
Maybe I'm used to Colorado dry (though we were anything but the latter half
of Summer), but it seems to me if you're sweating enough into your clothes
while riding that they are not dry by bed (or in Colorado 32.5 seconds
after you're off the bike), that you may be wearing too much while
felt obligated to change my suggestion, the marmot dri clime windshirt
would not be a great post-ride choice. it keeps you warm if you are
moving.
i have patagonia down sweater, love it for post-ride/hanging out in the
cold when i am not being active.
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-- I detest synthetics. All I've ever owned (and that's a lot from when I
was 14 and began backpacking in earnest and when I wised up at 35. Wow, 16
years of stupidity) hold scents through
My choice would be to opt for breathable shell and insulation layers - you
can always peel and stuff insulation layers, and still have protection from
wind and wet, while a heavy coat is either on or off. A quality parka
shell is worth the price. Sounds crazy expensive, but paid $400 for a
-- I detest synthetics. All I've ever owned (and that's a lot from when I
was 14 and began backpacking in earnest and when I wised up at 35. Wow, 16
years of stupidity) hold scents through washings (and that's before my
disability and ultra sensitivity to -- and we're talking stink, not just
I have worn both Primaloft jackets and down jackets for years. The LLBean
jacket you list is only 60gm weight per yard, which is very very light
insulation, barely warmer than a 200 weight fleece .
The down jacket you listed is going to be much warmer, suitable for non
riding/camp activities,
if it is specific to riding (i.e. you are planning on wearing it while you
ride!) i have a marmot dri clime jacket that is awesome. it is my go-to
cold weather jacket. i wore mine all through vermont winters. the key is
that it blocks the wind. it's almost like magic.
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Garth,
Well stated! I'm glad to hear you have both an were so able to define the
differences for me. Thanks! Down is now in the lead.
Best,
~Hugh
On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 6:41 AM, Garth garth...@gmail.com wrote:
I have worn both Primaloft jackets and down jackets for years. The LLBean
I'm a layers man myself... wool and fleece underneath and a shell if
conditions call for it. I like the versatility of layers. A Wolly Warm vest
is a great insulation investment.
I've always been envious of other's down jackets for the weight/warmth
ratio. I picked up a patagonia quarter-zip
Andy, that's why I only wear my down vest under my rain jacket. No swish
swish.
With abandon,
Patrick
On Tuesday, October 22, 2013 1:34:25 PM UTC-6, Andy Smitty Schmidt wrote:
I'm a layers man myself... wool and fleece underneath and a shell if
conditions call for it. I like the versatility
I have a really similar primaloft jacket from REI, size L. It packs down to
about the size of 1.25 1L Nalgenes, and weighs basically nothing. I can
wear it over just a t-shirt down to about 20F and still be too warm. I
don't really put a jacket on until it's mid 50s though, so YMMV. Either way
Hi, Hugh
For hanging out around the campsite, down is the way to go. I have a North
Face down jacket that I wear with a couple of layers of wool underneath on
chilly winter boy scout camping trips in the So Cal mountains. For cycling,
though, down is totally overkill. Back in my Wisconsin
Hugh...On the sleeping bag issue... if you wear extra clothes to bed, it's
warmer if they are dry and not the ones you rode in all day. Smell's
nicer too. I carry a lightweight set of woollies just to sleep in when it's
cold at night and my bag is marginal for the conditions.
A few other
I have a silk bag liner. It's ok. Probably adds a few degrees but kind of
more hassle than it's worth. My bag is pretty warm and I'm more likely to
need to unzip it in the middle of the night than want for more insulation.
I use a 3/4 length pad and put a pannier or backpack under my feet if
I vote for whichever one has a double zipper, so you can open the bottom
of the jacket so it doesn't bunch between your thighs and belly while
riding.
I am looking for a double zip jacket now for myself.
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I'm with Anne. I'd pick a down jacket. Maybe something lighter than that
Marmot model. I have a Golite one that weighs 12 oz ( older model) and
compresses really small. check this page
http://www.golite.com/mens/down-synthetic
You can't get them wet, but down is the most compressible
For me, the down sweater is not for riding; I don't think a down
sweater is a good choice for riding. The sweater is for being in camp
when it gets cold.
On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 9:09 PM, Michael john11.2...@gmail.com wrote:
I vote for whichever one has a double zipper, so you can open the bottom
Consider layers over loft?
I get cold as well, and find that I'm* better served with my light-ish,
nominally insulated Marmot wind jacket over a fleece zip-up or sweater
underneath, plus regular shirt, undershirt, etc.
That way my temp doesn't plummet when I remove my jacket and hop in the
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