Re: [RBW] Re: Bike Snob in Rivendell!
On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 11:47, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > Curious: how and where is that 50 cc scooter an advantage over a nice bike? > Seriously, because I have thought of a scooter for some time. I'll answer on list, just in case anybody read Patrick's inquiry and is burning with curiosity, but please direct any further comments about motor vehicles off-list, as they are off-topic. I prefer riding bicycles to riding the scooter, but I try to ride the scooter at least once every couple of weeks because it does not like to sit too long without the engine being started. The key advantage to the scooter is that I can go 10 or 20 miles on it without showing up someplace all unpresentably sweaty. I find it pretty uncomfortable if I have to spend an hour on it, though. The other advantage to owning a scooter, as opposed to owning no motor vehicle at all, is that employers and similar people perceive you as a freak if you own no motor vehicle, and doubt your ability to carry out your job if it requires you to travel; owning a motorbike mitigates that perception. But I can't say I would miss it much if it were gone. Working at a construction trailer 16 miles from home four days a week until mid-May of this year, I rode the scooter to work only once, and rode bicycles every other day. James Black Los Angeles, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Bike Snob in Rivendell!
One more post on this subject and I will shut up and crawl back into my
dark, dank hole: today's BSNYC has the ultimate, uber post on
nonplussedness.
(Sorry, Anne.)
Patrick "working on his second bong" Moore, who is actually a conservative
Christian working on his second bong. (Jest kiddin') ('Bout the bong.)
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Re: [RBW] Re: Bike Snob in Rivendell!
On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 10:09 AM, james black wrote: > . > > I salute you, sir. I only wish you could have seen me ride to work > this morning on my 49cc Honda Ruckus scooter wearing a white full-face > helmet and a Blaklader model 8739 workwear jacket. > > James Black > I can cap that: the dude on the Whizzer (with two, big, chromed handlebar mirrors) dressed in black leather jacket and boots. Curious: how and where is that 50 cc scooter an advantage over a nice bike? Seriously, because I have thought of a scooter for some time. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Bike Snob in Rivendell!
I should add that by "objectively funny" he sees true disjunctions or incompatibilities, which is the essence of humor -- as Aristotle said (he quoted smugly), the humorous is a species of the ugly (= not meeting a norm) that does not cause pain. But one can focus instead on BS's meaness and vulgarity and that is one's right. (I'm vulgar, so it doesn't bother me.) On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 12:41 PM, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > Well, it does help if you have a bong or a couple of glasses. Seriously, I > think he is funny; mean spirited and vulgar, but funny and objectively funny > because he is intelligent. But apart from objective funniness, there is > taste which is another matter and has its own rights. > > > On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 9:46 AM, Anne Paulson wrote: > >> On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 7:58 AM, PATRICK MOORE >> wrote: >> > >> > Ladies 'n' Gentlemen: we are heinously guilty of overanalyzing this. You >> > don't read BS with an encyclopedia at your side, you read him with a >> bong, >> > or, for the more mature, a glass or two of your favorite. Willing >> suspension >> > of disbelief and not too much insistence on sobriety. And, if you do >> this, >> > you will find him funny. Or ought to. >> >> Dude, you can laugh at what you want, but don't be telling me what I >> ought to find funny. I checked out a few of Bike Snobs post. I found >> them overwritten and mean spirited, not funny at all. And this wasn't >> because he was poking fun at my kind of cycling: the posts I read were >> sneering at fixie guys and at newbie posers, neither of which >> describes me. Maybe it's a guy thing-- not that all guys will find him >> funny, but that guys are the only people who find him funny. >> >> -- >> -- Anne Paulson >> >> My hovercraft is full of eels >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >> . >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. >> >> > > > -- > Patrick Moore > Albuquerque, NM > For professional resumes, contact > Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com > > > > > -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Bike Snob in Rivendell!
Well, it does help if you have a bong or a couple of glasses. Seriously, I think he is funny; mean spirited and vulgar, but funny and objectively funny because he is intelligent. But apart from objective funniness, there is taste which is another matter and has its own rights. On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 9:46 AM, Anne Paulson wrote: > On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 7:58 AM, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > > > > Ladies 'n' Gentlemen: we are heinously guilty of overanalyzing this. You > > don't read BS with an encyclopedia at your side, you read him with a > bong, > > or, for the more mature, a glass or two of your favorite. Willing > suspension > > of disbelief and not too much insistence on sobriety. And, if you do > this, > > you will find him funny. Or ought to. > > Dude, you can laugh at what you want, but don't be telling me what I > ought to find funny. I checked out a few of Bike Snobs post. I found > them overwritten and mean spirited, not funny at all. And this wasn't > because he was poking fun at my kind of cycling: the posts I read were > sneering at fixie guys and at newbie posers, neither of which > describes me. Maybe it's a guy thing-- not that all guys will find him > funny, but that guys are the only people who find him funny. > > -- > -- Anne Paulson > > My hovercraft is full of eels > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Bike Snob in Rivendell!
> It was 3 miles - my year of commuting an epic 32 miles round-trip > abruptly ended three weeks ago. Now the only thing epic I see during > the week is burritos. The biggest epic about me is how epically lost I have managed to get. Bodies of water seem to really throw me in a tizzy. I am so used to Lake Michigan being to the east, that whenever I come upon any large body of water I make some automatic directional note, often to my peril. On Jun 9, 11:25 am, james black wrote: > On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 09:12, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > Was it an epic ride? > > It was 3 miles - my year of commuting an epic 32 miles round-trip > abruptly ended three weeks ago. Now the only thing epic I see during > the week is burritos. > > James Black -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Bike Snob in Rivendell!
> Specifically mentioning the Mavic wheels which have known problems but no one > has > challenged Mavic to fix. Is this correct? I have read internet complaints about this, and heard similar complaints from people who build wheels by hand. Perhaps the point is none of the large factory builders are complaining? On Jun 9, 11:57 am, EricP wrote: > Just read that part of the book last night. He was referencing hand > built wheels versus the modern, machine made wheels. Specifically > mentioning the Mavic wheels which have known problems but no one has > challenged Mavic to fix. > > While I believe this is entirely away from Rivendell, will add to it. > Just started the book yesterday. The first chapter was well written. > I have read his blog from time to time and occasionally do find it > humorous. Sometimes I find it mean spirited. But that's my way of > looking at things. More often than not, my own false sense of self > importance needs to be skewered. Including out and out mocking of my > own fat body astride a bike. > > (Almost told someone "I'll get Scotty to beam it over on the > transporter" today at work, but held my tongue.) > > Eric Platt > St. Paul, MN > > On Jun 9, 10:03 am, rswat...@me.com wrote: > > > > > On Jun 9, 2010, at 8:15 AM, JoelMatthews wrote: > > > >> So, Bike Snob is talking about retro grouches, their love of hand built > > >> wheels > > >> with sensible spoke counts, distrust of recent technology, etc. > > > > But Rando's do not distrust recent technology. They use what works. > > > I fit the Snob's stereotype perfectly with my Frenchy style Boulder 650B, > > but at local brevets, I've only ever seen one other steel bike and it was > > set up like TT bike. Everyone else is on carbon and titanium race bikes > > with plenty of modern electronic doohickeys and clip on battery lights. > > They call me "the suitcase guy" because of my big Berthoud bag :-) > > > Ryan in Albuquerque > > > > For instance, Steve points out above that Randos were early adopters > > > of the very modern and highly efficient generator hubs which are > > > gaining wider acceptance among cyclists. LED headlights common on > > > Rando biked may look similar to the lights used in the 50's, but the > > > better ones are designed to work as well as the best car or motorcycle > > > headligh. > > > > Now the tech market is seeing their value, offering some wonderful > > > device chargers that hook up to the generator. Likewise, the Rando > > > community has pushed such things as GPS and happily use portable > > > computers and other communication devices. > > > > I suspect the reference to recen technology is preference for steel. > > > This also is nonsense. Modern steel tubing is far more advanced than > > > it was 25 years ago. Steel manufacturing R&D is every bit as vibrant > > > as carbon fibre. Steel tubing will continue to improve. It is pure > > > ignorance to assume steel is outdated. In my opinion, ignorance is > > > not funny. > > > >> as well as Buddhists making pilgrimages to the Bodhi tree, or some such. > > > > Perhaps a little better than a Star Trek reference. > > > > On Jun 9, 8:54 am, Jeff wrote: > > >> Okay, since I offered up this tidbit, allow me to explicate. So, Bike > > >> Snob is talking about retro grouches, their love of hand built wheels > > >> with sensible spoke counts, distrust of recent technology, etc. He > > >> then goes on to say (and I should have done a better job loosely > > >> quoting him) that randonneuring and touring are retro-grouchery in > > >> action (putting beliefs into practice.) THEN, he makes the comparison > > >> to nerds attending Star Trek conventions, as well as Buddhists making > > >> pilgrimages to the Bodhi tree, or some such. The point is that it's > > >> not a direct, one to one comparison of retro grouches (or > > >> randonneurs!) to nerds. Instead, it's a typical example of Bike > > >> Snob's use of wildly unrelated, pop culture references to make his > > >> points while having some fun. I get the impression he has a healthy > > >> respect for the curmudgeonly RG getting the job done with 36 spokes. > > > >> That said, this certainly took us on an entertaining detour! > > > >> On Jun 9, 7:59 am, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > > >>> On Wed, 2010-06-09 at 05:54 -0700, JoelMatthews wrote: > > > Or are you saying BSNYC's audience for the joke was not Rando owners > > but rather people too dense to understand both the Rando concept or > > the many levels Star Trek failed to get things right? > > > >>> Sounds about right to me.- Hide quoted text - > > > >> - Show quoted text - > > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > > For more options, visit this gro
[RBW] Re: Bike Snob in Rivendell!
I'm a little afraid to jump into this thread... but I will say that I find Bike Snob very funny, and I'm a woman. It's not just for the guys. I'm probably also an internet bike geek... Cheryl in SF On Jun 9, 9:03 am, Philip Williamson wrote: > You may be right. On the other hand, most of my friends who watch Jon > Stewart are women, and I see some similarities. > > However, if your main audience is internet bike geeks, appealing > solely to men probably isn't a problem. > > Philip > 97128 > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Bike Snob in Rivendell!
Just read that part of the book last night. He was referencing hand built wheels versus the modern, machine made wheels. Specifically mentioning the Mavic wheels which have known problems but no one has challenged Mavic to fix. While I believe this is entirely away from Rivendell, will add to it. Just started the book yesterday. The first chapter was well written. I have read his blog from time to time and occasionally do find it humorous. Sometimes I find it mean spirited. But that's my way of looking at things. More often than not, my own false sense of self importance needs to be skewered. Including out and out mocking of my own fat body astride a bike. (Almost told someone "I'll get Scotty to beam it over on the transporter" today at work, but held my tongue.) Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Jun 9, 10:03 am, rswat...@me.com wrote: > On Jun 9, 2010, at 8:15 AM, JoelMatthews wrote: > > >> So, Bike Snob is talking about retro grouches, their love of hand built > >> wheels > >> with sensible spoke counts, distrust of recent technology, etc. > > > But Rando's do not distrust recent technology. They use what works. > > I fit the Snob's stereotype perfectly with my Frenchy style Boulder 650B, but > at local brevets, I've only ever seen one other steel bike and it was set up > like TT bike. Everyone else is on carbon and titanium race bikes with plenty > of modern electronic doohickeys and clip on battery lights. > They call me "the suitcase guy" because of my big Berthoud bag :-) > > Ryan in Albuquerque > > > > > > > For instance, Steve points out above that Randos were early adopters > > of the very modern and highly efficient generator hubs which are > > gaining wider acceptance among cyclists. LED headlights common on > > Rando biked may look similar to the lights used in the 50's, but the > > better ones are designed to work as well as the best car or motorcycle > > headligh. > > > Now the tech market is seeing their value, offering some wonderful > > device chargers that hook up to the generator. Likewise, the Rando > > community has pushed such things as GPS and happily use portable > > computers and other communication devices. > > > I suspect the reference to recen technology is preference for steel. > > This also is nonsense. Modern steel tubing is far more advanced than > > it was 25 years ago. Steel manufacturing R&D is every bit as vibrant > > as carbon fibre. Steel tubing will continue to improve. It is pure > > ignorance to assume steel is outdated. In my opinion, ignorance is > > not funny. > > >> as well as Buddhists making pilgrimages to the Bodhi tree, or some such. > > > Perhaps a little better than a Star Trek reference. > > > On Jun 9, 8:54 am, Jeff wrote: > >> Okay, since I offered up this tidbit, allow me to explicate. So, Bike > >> Snob is talking about retro grouches, their love of hand built wheels > >> with sensible spoke counts, distrust of recent technology, etc. He > >> then goes on to say (and I should have done a better job loosely > >> quoting him) that randonneuring and touring are retro-grouchery in > >> action (putting beliefs into practice.) THEN, he makes the comparison > >> to nerds attending Star Trek conventions, as well as Buddhists making > >> pilgrimages to the Bodhi tree, or some such. The point is that it's > >> not a direct, one to one comparison of retro grouches (or > >> randonneurs!) to nerds. Instead, it's a typical example of Bike > >> Snob's use of wildly unrelated, pop culture references to make his > >> points while having some fun. I get the impression he has a healthy > >> respect for the curmudgeonly RG getting the job done with 36 spokes. > > >> That said, this certainly took us on an entertaining detour! > > >> On Jun 9, 7:59 am, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > >>> On Wed, 2010-06-09 at 05:54 -0700, JoelMatthews wrote: > > Or are you saying BSNYC's audience for the joke was not Rando owners > but rather people too dense to understand both the Rando concept or > the many levels Star Trek failed to get things right? > > >>> Sounds about right to me.- Hide quoted text - > > >> - Show quoted text - > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Bike Snob in Rivendell!
GHMOIARBHs are all men too (by definition). Probably no coincidence. On Jun 9, 9:25 am, Anne Paulson wrote: > On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 9:03 AM, Philip Williamson > > wrote: > > You may be right. On the other hand, most of my friends who watch Jon > > Stewart are women, and I see some similarities. > > I love Jon Stewart. And I don't see the similarities. But, whatever. > Chacun a son gout. > > --- > -- Anne Paulson > > My hovercraft is full of eels -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Bike Snob in Rivendell!
On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 09:12, Steve Palincsar wrote: > Was it an epic ride? It was 3 miles - my year of commuting an epic 32 miles round-trip abruptly ended three weeks ago. Now the only thing epic I see during the week is burritos. James Black -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Bike Snob in Rivendell!
On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 9:03 AM, Philip Williamson wrote: > You may be right. On the other hand, most of my friends who watch Jon > Stewart are women, and I see some similarities. > I love Jon Stewart. And I don't see the similarities. But, whatever. Chacun a son gout. --- -- Anne Paulson My hovercraft is full of eels -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Bike Snob in Rivendell!
On Wed, 2010-06-09 at 09:09 -0700, james black wrote: > On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 08:51, JoelMatthews wrote: > > I will wear my nerd badge with honor! I take issue only with the > > proposed design. > > I salute you, sir. I only wish you could have seen me ride to work > this morning on my 49cc Honda Ruckus scooter wearing a white full-face > helmet and a Blaklader model 8739 workwear jacket. Was it an epic ride? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Bike Snob in Rivendell!
On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 08:51, JoelMatthews wrote: > I will wear my nerd badge with honor! I take issue only with the > proposed design. I salute you, sir. I only wish you could have seen me ride to work this morning on my 49cc Honda Ruckus scooter wearing a white full-face helmet and a Blaklader model 8739 workwear jacket. James Black -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Bike Snob in Rivendell!
You may be right. On the other hand, most of my friends who watch Jon Stewart are women, and I see some similarities. However, if your main audience is internet bike geeks, appealing solely to men probably isn't a problem. Philip 97128 Anne Paulson wrote: ... > Maybe it's a guy thing-- not that all guys will find him > funny, but that guys are the only people who find him funny. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Bike Snob in Rivendell!
> I congratulate you, for the above is one of the most awesomely nerdy > paragraphs I've ever read. I hear the Comic Book Guy's voice in my > head. I hope that the Bike Snob somehow gets to read and enjoy this > awesome thread. I will wear my nerd badge with honor! I take issue only with the proposed design. On Jun 9, 10:15 am, james black wrote: > On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 14:35, JoelMatthews wrote: > > Even an entry level understanding of cosmology is enough to show Star > > Trek is an absurd impossible fantasy (eg., Paul Davies,'The Eerie > > Silence') . On the other hand, a Rando style bike is arguably as good > > a way to credit card tour as any. > > I congratulate you, for the above is one of the most awesomely nerdy > paragraphs I've ever read. I hear the Comic Book Guy's voice in my > head. I hope that the Bike Snob somehow gets to read and enjoy this > awesome thread. > > James Black > Los Angeles, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Bike Snob in Rivendell!
Whoa! I think the BSNYC audience is bike fanciers who spend too much time online talking about bikes. My online randonneur friends are all Golden Agers (like the book), and the bikes I see at shows and in photo albums are, too. BikeSnob's randonneur friends are probably the same. The carbon loving randonneurs either have different bike forums, or do something else in their off-time. I hear they exist, but they aren't real to me I've never read BSNYC say or imply ANY of the shit you and Steve are blaming him for. This whole thread is now an archive of findable internet rhetoric characterizing randonneurs as nerds and retro- grouches. Philip 97128 JoelMatthews wrote: > > You have to know your AUDIENCE to make a proper joke. > > I like to think people smart enough to buy a Rando style bike are > smart enough to know Star Trek got Cosmology wrong on more levels than > a 10th Century priest. > > Or are you saying BSNYC's audience for the joke was not Rando owners > but rather people too dense to understand both the Rando concept or > the many levels Star Trek failed to get things right? > > If the latter, who wants that audience? At least WWF fans realize > half the joke is their own willing suspension of rational thought. > > On Jun 9, 12:15 am, Philip Williamson > wrote: > > Must... not... reply... > > > > You have to know your AUDIENCE to make a proper joke. > > > > Birders and what-have-yous have zero cultural relevance. There are > > very few stereotypes about bird-watchers. No one would know if the > > comparison was apt or not, so they wouldn't know if it was funny. If > > BSNYC likened randonneurs to birders... birders would actually become > > culturally relevant. > > > > > > > > I have hypertrophied sense of humor. I am a nerd. > > It's obvious that BSNYC reads the same (and more!) bike forums that I > > do, for the past dozen years or so. I think you need a grounding in > > 1990s rec.bicycles.tech to even know that Jobst Brandt is "the uber- > > curmudgeon." > > > > And before Jim moves Patrick and me to separate seats, I'm going to go > > post a question about CR720s on a Quickbeam that maybe some of you can > > answer. > > > > Philip > > > > > > > > JoelMatthews wrote: > > > > Is it possible, do you think, that he doesn't understand either > > > > randonneuring or Star Trek? > > > > > Well, you have to know your subject if you are going to make a proper > > > joke. > > > > > On Jun 8, 5:26 pm, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > > > On Tue, 2010-06-08 at 14:35 -0700, JoelMatthews wrote: > > > > > > Oh, come now! My antennae quiver with delight when BSNYC (let us > > > > > > bow our > > > > > > heads in wonderment and admiration pause ... OK, back to > > > > > > regular > > > > > > garrulousness) pokes fun at something I like. He is just funny. GD > > > > > > vulgar, > > > > > > too, but funny. > > > > > > > No so much the poking fun, but the comparison. > > > > > > > Even an entry level understanding of cosmology is enough to show Star > > > > > Trek is an absurd impossible fantasy (eg., Paul Davies,'The Eerie > > > > > Silence') . On the other hand, a Rando style bike is arguably as good > > > > > a way to credit card tour as any. > > > > > > > If BSNYC wanted to compare Randos to nerds, he should have used nerds > > > > > with nerding after something outside of the realm of fantasy, such as > > > > > amateur astronomers or birders. Even trainspotters would have made > > > > > more sense. > > > > > > Is it possible, do you think, that he doesn't understand either > > > > randonneuring or Star Trek? > > > > > > >From what I can see, there isn't anything even remotely "retro-grouch" > > > > > > about randonneurs. They're all about getting the job done. Look at the > > > > high-tech lighting systems if you have any doubt of it. If somebody > > > > confuses the presence of fenders with nostalgia for the past or with a > > > > rejection of modern values, whatever they are, he mustn't ride long > > > > distances in the rain.- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Bike Snob in Rivendell!
On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 7:58 AM, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > > Ladies 'n' Gentlemen: we are heinously guilty of overanalyzing this. You > don't read BS with an encyclopedia at your side, you read him with a bong, > or, for the more mature, a glass or two of your favorite. Willing suspension > of disbelief and not too much insistence on sobriety. And, if you do this, > you will find him funny. Or ought to. Dude, you can laugh at what you want, but don't be telling me what I ought to find funny. I checked out a few of Bike Snobs post. I found them overwritten and mean spirited, not funny at all. And this wasn't because he was poking fun at my kind of cycling: the posts I read were sneering at fixie guys and at newbie posers, neither of which describes me. Maybe it's a guy thing-- not that all guys will find him funny, but that guys are the only people who find him funny. -- -- Anne Paulson My hovercraft is full of eels -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Bike Snob in Rivendell!
On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 9:15 AM, james black wrote: > On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 14:35, JoelMatthews wrote: > > Even an entry level understanding of cosmology is enough to show Star > > Trek is an absurd impossible fantasy (eg., Paul Davies,'The Eerie > > Silence') . On the other hand, a Rando style bike is arguably as good > > a way to credit card tour as any. > > I congratulate you, for the above is one of the most awesomely nerdy > paragraphs I've ever read. I hear the Comic Book Guy's voice in my > head. I hope that the Bike Snob somehow gets to read and enjoy this > awesome thread. > > ROTFL -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Bike Snob in Rivendell!
On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 14:35, JoelMatthews wrote: > Even an entry level understanding of cosmology is enough to show Star > Trek is an absurd impossible fantasy (eg., Paul Davies,'The Eerie > Silence') . On the other hand, a Rando style bike is arguably as good > a way to credit card tour as any. I congratulate you, for the above is one of the most awesomely nerdy paragraphs I've ever read. I hear the Comic Book Guy's voice in my head. I hope that the Bike Snob somehow gets to read and enjoy this awesome thread. James Black Los Angeles, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Bike Snob in Rivendell!
> with plenty of modern electronic doohickeys and clip on battery lights. Carrying a battery charged light is less technicallly advanced than using a good dyno hub such as the SON. There is nothing new about battery technology. Using energy generated by the ride itself is a very sound solution. On Jun 9, 10:03 am, rswat...@me.com wrote: > On Jun 9, 2010, at 8:15 AM, JoelMatthews wrote: > > >> So, Bike Snob is talking about retro grouches, their love of hand built > >> wheels > >> with sensible spoke counts, distrust of recent technology, etc. > > > But Rando's do not distrust recent technology. They use what works. > > I fit the Snob's stereotype perfectly with my Frenchy style Boulder 650B, but > at local brevets, I've only ever seen one other steel bike and it was set up > like TT bike. Everyone else is on carbon and titanium race bikes with plenty > of modern electronic doohickeys and clip on battery lights. > They call me "the suitcase guy" because of my big Berthoud bag :-) > > Ryan in Albuquerque > > > > > > > For instance, Steve points out above that Randos were early adopters > > of the very modern and highly efficient generator hubs which are > > gaining wider acceptance among cyclists. LED headlights common on > > Rando biked may look similar to the lights used in the 50's, but the > > better ones are designed to work as well as the best car or motorcycle > > headligh. > > > Now the tech market is seeing their value, offering some wonderful > > device chargers that hook up to the generator. Likewise, the Rando > > community has pushed such things as GPS and happily use portable > > computers and other communication devices. > > > I suspect the reference to recen technology is preference for steel. > > This also is nonsense. Modern steel tubing is far more advanced than > > it was 25 years ago. Steel manufacturing R&D is every bit as vibrant > > as carbon fibre. Steel tubing will continue to improve. It is pure > > ignorance to assume steel is outdated. In my opinion, ignorance is > > not funny. > > >> as well as Buddhists making pilgrimages to the Bodhi tree, or some such. > > > Perhaps a little better than a Star Trek reference. > > > On Jun 9, 8:54 am, Jeff wrote: > >> Okay, since I offered up this tidbit, allow me to explicate. So, Bike > >> Snob is talking about retro grouches, their love of hand built wheels > >> with sensible spoke counts, distrust of recent technology, etc. He > >> then goes on to say (and I should have done a better job loosely > >> quoting him) that randonneuring and touring are retro-grouchery in > >> action (putting beliefs into practice.) THEN, he makes the comparison > >> to nerds attending Star Trek conventions, as well as Buddhists making > >> pilgrimages to the Bodhi tree, or some such. The point is that it's > >> not a direct, one to one comparison of retro grouches (or > >> randonneurs!) to nerds. Instead, it's a typical example of Bike > >> Snob's use of wildly unrelated, pop culture references to make his > >> points while having some fun. I get the impression he has a healthy > >> respect for the curmudgeonly RG getting the job done with 36 spokes. > > >> That said, this certainly took us on an entertaining detour! > > >> On Jun 9, 7:59 am, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > >>> On Wed, 2010-06-09 at 05:54 -0700, JoelMatthews wrote: > > Or are you saying BSNYC's audience for the joke was not Rando owners > but rather people too dense to understand both the Rando concept or > the many levels Star Trek failed to get things right? > > >>> Sounds about right to me.- Hide quoted text - > > >> - Show quoted text - > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Bike Snob in Rivendell!
Book is really incredible. Not sure if it's paradigm shifting, but it's certainly the most enjoyable bike book I've ever read. The Velo-Taxonomy chapter is worth the purchase price. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Bike Snob in Rivendell!
On Jun 9, 2010, at 8:15 AM, JoelMatthews wrote: >> So, Bike Snob is talking about retro grouches, their love of hand built >> wheels >> with sensible spoke counts, distrust of recent technology, etc. > > But Rando's do not distrust recent technology. They use what works. I fit the Snob's stereotype perfectly with my Frenchy style Boulder 650B, but at local brevets, I've only ever seen one other steel bike and it was set up like TT bike. Everyone else is on carbon and titanium race bikes with plenty of modern electronic doohickeys and clip on battery lights. They call me "the suitcase guy" because of my big Berthoud bag :-) Ryan in Albuquerque > > For instance, Steve points out above that Randos were early adopters > of the very modern and highly efficient generator hubs which are > gaining wider acceptance among cyclists. LED headlights common on > Rando biked may look similar to the lights used in the 50's, but the > better ones are designed to work as well as the best car or motorcycle > headligh. > > Now the tech market is seeing their value, offering some wonderful > device chargers that hook up to the generator. Likewise, the Rando > community has pushed such things as GPS and happily use portable > computers and other communication devices. > > I suspect the reference to recen technology is preference for steel. > This also is nonsense. Modern steel tubing is far more advanced than > it was 25 years ago. Steel manufacturing R&D is every bit as vibrant > as carbon fibre. Steel tubing will continue to improve. It is pure > ignorance to assume steel is outdated. In my opinion, ignorance is > not funny. > >> as well as Buddhists making pilgrimages to the Bodhi tree, or some such. > > Perhaps a little better than a Star Trek reference. > > On Jun 9, 8:54 am, Jeff wrote: >> Okay, since I offered up this tidbit, allow me to explicate. So, Bike >> Snob is talking about retro grouches, their love of hand built wheels >> with sensible spoke counts, distrust of recent technology, etc. He >> then goes on to say (and I should have done a better job loosely >> quoting him) that randonneuring and touring are retro-grouchery in >> action (putting beliefs into practice.) THEN, he makes the comparison >> to nerds attending Star Trek conventions, as well as Buddhists making >> pilgrimages to the Bodhi tree, or some such. The point is that it's >> not a direct, one to one comparison of retro grouches (or >> randonneurs!) to nerds. Instead, it's a typical example of Bike >> Snob's use of wildly unrelated, pop culture references to make his >> points while having some fun. I get the impression he has a healthy >> respect for the curmudgeonly RG getting the job done with 36 spokes. >> >> That said, this certainly took us on an entertaining detour! >> >> On Jun 9, 7:59 am, Steve Palincsar wrote: >> >> >> >>> On Wed, 2010-06-09 at 05:54 -0700, JoelMatthews wrote: >> Or are you saying BSNYC's audience for the joke was not Rando owners but rather people too dense to understand both the Rando concept or the many levels Star Trek failed to get things right? >> >>> Sounds about right to me.- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Bike Snob in Rivendell!
Ladies 'n' Gentlemen: we are heinously guilty of overanalyzing this. You don't read BS with an encyclopedia at your side, you read him with a bong, or, for the more mature, a glass or two of your favorite. Willing suspension of disbelief and not too much insistence on sobriety. And, if you do this, you will find him funny. Or ought to. Patrick "sub $6 wines, sub $15 Bourbons" Moore -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Bike Snob in Rivendell!
On Wed, 2010-06-09 at 06:54 -0700, Jeff wrote: > Okay, since I offered up this tidbit, allow me to explicate. So, Bike > Snob is talking about retro grouches, their love of hand built wheels > with sensible spoke counts, distrust of recent technology, etc. He > then goes on to say (and I should have done a better job loosely > quoting him) that randonneuring and touring are retro-grouchery in > action (putting beliefs into practice.) But that is a poor example. A preference for durable wheels that don't render the bike unrideable if a spoke breaks is an example of appropriate technology, not of a distrust of recent technology. A few years ago on the Covered Bridge Metric in Lancaster, PA I saw a guy with a broken spoke on a new carbon race bike with low spoke count boutique wheels sitting by the side of the road waiting for the sAG wagon weeping. Sobbing. His ride was all over. The wheel had warped so badly it wouldn't turn at all. And that's just a 62 mile ride. The shortest brevet is twice that distance, and people expect to finish even though a spoke might break. What is "retro" about using appropriate technology? Is it "retro" to use an electric steam iron rather than perhaps an iPad to iron a shirt? In that example, "retro" would be a cast iron one you heated on a wood burning stove. "Retro" lighting would be JOS lights with incandescent bulbs powered by a JOS sidewall generator -- all very highly prized stuff among the Classic Rendezvous set, beautiful and oh so highly collectible. But that's not what you're going to see on a brevet. SON dynamos and LED lights are about as modern technology as you're going to find anywhere. Even at that, sometimes the most "modern" isn't necessarily the most effective. I submit that if you're going to have to pull a handgun in earnest, one of your best choices is the 99 year old M1911A1 .45 cal Browning-designed Colt automatic. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Bike Snob in Rivendell!
> And in plain point of fact, for the performance envelope characteristic > of brevet riding, even NOS 531 in standard diameters and a fairly light > gauge is perfectly fine. Exactly. Change for change sake is more marketing than anything else. Case on point: When NASA was planning the Pathfinder, the tech wonks came up with all sorts of new and unproven methods to safely land the delicate equipment on Mars. In the end, they decided surrounding the Pathfinder with a bunch of airbags to bounce it to a landing made the most sense for a lot of reasons. Worked perfectly. On Jun 9, 9:30 am, Steve Palincsar wrote: > On Wed, 2010-06-09 at 07:15 -0700, JoelMatthews wrote: > > > So, Bike Snob is talking about retro grouches, their love of hand built > > > wheels > > > with sensible spoke counts, distrust of recent technology, etc. > > > But Rando's do not distrust recent technology. They use what works. > > > For instance, Steve points out above that Randos were early adopters > > of the very modern and highly efficient generator hubs which are > > gaining wider acceptance among cyclists. LED headlights common on > > Rando biked may look similar to the lights used in the 50's, but the > > better ones are designed to work as well as the best car or motorcycle > > headligh. > > > Now the tech market is seeing their value, offering some wonderful > > device chargers that hook up to the generator. Likewise, the Rando > > community has pushed such things as GPS and happily use portable > > computers and other communication devices. > > > I suspect the reference to recen technology is preference for steel. > > This also is nonsense. Modern steel tubing is far more advanced than > > it was 25 years ago. Steel manufacturing R&D is every bit as vibrant > > as carbon fibre. Steel tubing will continue to improve. It is pure > > ignorance to assume steel is outdated. > > And in plain point of fact, for the performance envelope characteristic > of brevet riding, even NOS 531 in standard diameters and a fairly light > gauge is perfectly fine. Carbon per se doesn't give you any real > advantage other than light weight, and the significance of weight for > brevet riding is rather low. Bicycle design means a good deal more, and > in this respect most typical carbon road bikes fall short in that their > insufficient clearance prevents the use of fenders or wide tires, both > of which can make a huge difference in rider comfort on long rides in > difficult weather. > > > In my opinion, ignorance is > > not funny. > > I completely agree. It simply makes the author look like an ignoramus.- Hide > quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Bike Snob in Rivendell!
On Wed, 2010-06-09 at 07:15 -0700, JoelMatthews wrote: > > So, Bike Snob is talking about retro grouches, their love of hand built > > wheels > > with sensible spoke counts, distrust of recent technology, etc. > > But Rando's do not distrust recent technology. They use what works. > > For instance, Steve points out above that Randos were early adopters > of the very modern and highly efficient generator hubs which are > gaining wider acceptance among cyclists. LED headlights common on > Rando biked may look similar to the lights used in the 50's, but the > better ones are designed to work as well as the best car or motorcycle > headligh. > > Now the tech market is seeing their value, offering some wonderful > device chargers that hook up to the generator. Likewise, the Rando > community has pushed such things as GPS and happily use portable > computers and other communication devices. > > I suspect the reference to recen technology is preference for steel. > This also is nonsense. Modern steel tubing is far more advanced than > it was 25 years ago. Steel manufacturing R&D is every bit as vibrant > as carbon fibre. Steel tubing will continue to improve. It is pure > ignorance to assume steel is outdated. And in plain point of fact, for the performance envelope characteristic of brevet riding, even NOS 531 in standard diameters and a fairly light gauge is perfectly fine. Carbon per se doesn't give you any real advantage other than light weight, and the significance of weight for brevet riding is rather low. Bicycle design means a good deal more, and in this respect most typical carbon road bikes fall short in that their insufficient clearance prevents the use of fenders or wide tires, both of which can make a huge difference in rider comfort on long rides in difficult weather. > In my opinion, ignorance is > not funny. I completely agree. It simply makes the author look like an ignoramus. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Bike Snob in Rivendell!
> So, Bike Snob is talking about retro grouches, their love of hand built > wheels > with sensible spoke counts, distrust of recent technology, etc. But Rando's do not distrust recent technology. They use what works. For instance, Steve points out above that Randos were early adopters of the very modern and highly efficient generator hubs which are gaining wider acceptance among cyclists. LED headlights common on Rando biked may look similar to the lights used in the 50's, but the better ones are designed to work as well as the best car or motorcycle headligh. Now the tech market is seeing their value, offering some wonderful device chargers that hook up to the generator. Likewise, the Rando community has pushed such things as GPS and happily use portable computers and other communication devices. I suspect the reference to recen technology is preference for steel. This also is nonsense. Modern steel tubing is far more advanced than it was 25 years ago. Steel manufacturing R&D is every bit as vibrant as carbon fibre. Steel tubing will continue to improve. It is pure ignorance to assume steel is outdated. In my opinion, ignorance is not funny. > as well as Buddhists making pilgrimages to the Bodhi tree, or some such. Perhaps a little better than a Star Trek reference. On Jun 9, 8:54 am, Jeff wrote: > Okay, since I offered up this tidbit, allow me to explicate. So, Bike > Snob is talking about retro grouches, their love of hand built wheels > with sensible spoke counts, distrust of recent technology, etc. He > then goes on to say (and I should have done a better job loosely > quoting him) that randonneuring and touring are retro-grouchery in > action (putting beliefs into practice.) THEN, he makes the comparison > to nerds attending Star Trek conventions, as well as Buddhists making > pilgrimages to the Bodhi tree, or some such. The point is that it's > not a direct, one to one comparison of retro grouches (or > randonneurs!) to nerds. Instead, it's a typical example of Bike > Snob's use of wildly unrelated, pop culture references to make his > points while having some fun. I get the impression he has a healthy > respect for the curmudgeonly RG getting the job done with 36 spokes. > > That said, this certainly took us on an entertaining detour! > > On Jun 9, 7:59 am, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > > > > On Wed, 2010-06-09 at 05:54 -0700, JoelMatthews wrote: > > > > Or are you saying BSNYC's audience for the joke was not Rando owners > > > but rather people too dense to understand both the Rando concept or > > > the many levels Star Trek failed to get things right? > > > Sounds about right to me.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Bike Snob in Rivendell!
Okay, since I offered up this tidbit, allow me to explicate. So, Bike Snob is talking about retro grouches, their love of hand built wheels with sensible spoke counts, distrust of recent technology, etc. He then goes on to say (and I should have done a better job loosely quoting him) that randonneuring and touring are retro-grouchery in action (putting beliefs into practice.) THEN, he makes the comparison to nerds attending Star Trek conventions, as well as Buddhists making pilgrimages to the Bodhi tree, or some such. The point is that it's not a direct, one to one comparison of retro grouches (or randonneurs!) to nerds. Instead, it's a typical example of Bike Snob's use of wildly unrelated, pop culture references to make his points while having some fun. I get the impression he has a healthy respect for the curmudgeonly RG getting the job done with 36 spokes. That said, this certainly took us on an entertaining detour! On Jun 9, 7:59 am, Steve Palincsar wrote: > On Wed, 2010-06-09 at 05:54 -0700, JoelMatthews wrote: > > > Or are you saying BSNYC's audience for the joke was not Rando owners > > but rather people too dense to understand both the Rando concept or > > the many levels Star Trek failed to get things right? > > Sounds about right to me. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Bike Snob in Rivendell!
On Wed, 2010-06-09 at 05:54 -0700, JoelMatthews wrote: > > Or are you saying BSNYC's audience for the joke was not Rando owners > but rather people too dense to understand both the Rando concept or > the many levels Star Trek failed to get things right? > Sounds about right to me. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Bike Snob in Rivendell!
> You have to know your AUDIENCE to make a proper joke. I like to think people smart enough to buy a Rando style bike are smart enough to know Star Trek got Cosmology wrong on more levels than a 10th Century priest. Or are you saying BSNYC's audience for the joke was not Rando owners but rather people too dense to understand both the Rando concept or the many levels Star Trek failed to get things right? If the latter, who wants that audience? At least WWF fans realize half the joke is their own willing suspension of rational thought. On Jun 9, 12:15 am, Philip Williamson wrote: > Must... not... reply... > > You have to know your AUDIENCE to make a proper joke. > > Birders and what-have-yous have zero cultural relevance. There are > very few stereotypes about bird-watchers. No one would know if the > comparison was apt or not, so they wouldn't know if it was funny. If > BSNYC likened randonneurs to birders... birders would actually become > culturally relevant. > > > > I have hypertrophied sense of humor. I am a nerd. > It's obvious that BSNYC reads the same (and more!) bike forums that I > do, for the past dozen years or so. I think you need a grounding in > 1990s rec.bicycles.tech to even know that Jobst Brandt is "the uber- > curmudgeon." > > And before Jim moves Patrick and me to separate seats, I'm going to go > post a question about CR720s on a Quickbeam that maybe some of you can > answer. > > Philip > > > > JoelMatthews wrote: > > > Is it possible, do you think, that he doesn't understand either > > > randonneuring or Star Trek? > > > Well, you have to know your subject if you are going to make a proper > > joke. > > > On Jun 8, 5:26 pm, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > > On Tue, 2010-06-08 at 14:35 -0700, JoelMatthews wrote: > > > > > Oh, come now! My antennae quiver with delight when BSNYC (let us bow > > > > > our > > > > > heads in wonderment and admiration pause ... OK, back to regular > > > > > garrulousness) pokes fun at something I like. He is just funny. GD > > > > > vulgar, > > > > > too, but funny. > > > > > No so much the poking fun, but the comparison. > > > > > Even an entry level understanding of cosmology is enough to show Star > > > > Trek is an absurd impossible fantasy (eg., Paul Davies,'The Eerie > > > > Silence') . On the other hand, a Rando style bike is arguably as good > > > > a way to credit card tour as any. > > > > > If BSNYC wanted to compare Randos to nerds, he should have used nerds > > > > with nerding after something outside of the realm of fantasy, such as > > > > amateur astronomers or birders. Even trainspotters would have made > > > > more sense. > > > > Is it possible, do you think, that he doesn't understand either > > > randonneuring or Star Trek? > > > > >From what I can see, there isn't anything even remotely "retro-grouch" > > > > about randonneurs. They're all about getting the job done. Look at the > > > high-tech lighting systems if you have any doubt of it. If somebody > > > confuses the presence of fenders with nostalgia for the past or with a > > > rejection of modern values, whatever they are, he mustn't ride long > > > distances in the rain.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Bike Snob in Rivendell!
Must... not... reply... You have to know your AUDIENCE to make a proper joke. Birders and what-have-yous have zero cultural relevance. There are very few stereotypes about bird-watchers. No one would know if the comparison was apt or not, so they wouldn't know if it was funny. If BSNYC likened randonneurs to birders... birders would actually become culturally relevant. I have hypertrophied sense of humor. I am a nerd. It's obvious that BSNYC reads the same (and more!) bike forums that I do, for the past dozen years or so. I think you need a grounding in 1990s rec.bicycles.tech to even know that Jobst Brandt is "the uber- curmudgeon." And before Jim moves Patrick and me to separate seats, I'm going to go post a question about CR720s on a Quickbeam that maybe some of you can answer. Philip JoelMatthews wrote: > > Is it possible, do you think, that he doesn't understand either > > randonneuring or Star Trek? > > Well, you have to know your subject if you are going to make a proper > joke. > > On Jun 8, 5:26 pm, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > On Tue, 2010-06-08 at 14:35 -0700, JoelMatthews wrote: > > > > Oh, come now! My antennae quiver with delight when BSNYC (let us bow our > > > > heads in wonderment and admiration pause ... OK, back to regular > > > > garrulousness) pokes fun at something I like. He is just funny. GD > > > > vulgar, > > > > too, but funny. > > > > > No so much the poking fun, but the comparison. > > > > > Even an entry level understanding of cosmology is enough to show Star > > > Trek is an absurd impossible fantasy (eg., Paul Davies,'The Eerie > > > Silence') . On the other hand, a Rando style bike is arguably as good > > > a way to credit card tour as any. > > > > > If BSNYC wanted to compare Randos to nerds, he should have used nerds > > > with nerding after something outside of the realm of fantasy, such as > > > amateur astronomers or birders. Even trainspotters would have made > > > more sense. > > > > Is it possible, do you think, that he doesn't understand either > > randonneuring or Star Trek? > > > > >From what I can see, there isn't anything even remotely "retro-grouch" > > > > about randonneurs. They're all about getting the job done. Look at the > > high-tech lighting systems if you have any doubt of it. If somebody > > confuses the presence of fenders with nostalgia for the past or with a > > rejection of modern values, whatever they are, he mustn't ride long > > distances in the rain. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Bike Snob in Rivendell!
Grouch, gouch, grouch, grouch (verb, intransitive). I gather you don't like his particular brand of humor. Old age ? Patrick "young, nay, hipster-young at heart" Moore On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 7:54 PM, Steve Palincsar wrote: > On Tue, 2010-06-08 at 17:54 -0600, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > > > > > > On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 4:26 PM, Steve Palincsar > > wrote: > > > > > > Is it possible, do you think, that he doesn't understand > > either > > randonneuring or Star Trek? > > > > No! How dare you suggest this! He is omnisient. (Omnicient. > > Omnishient. Omnicent. Omnicient ) > > > > > Sometimes I wonder if that isn't spelled "flaming assh*le"... > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Bike Snob in Rivendell!
On Tue, 2010-06-08 at 17:54 -0600, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > > > On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 4:26 PM, Steve Palincsar > wrote: > > > Is it possible, do you think, that he doesn't understand > either > randonneuring or Star Trek? > > No! How dare you suggest this! He is omnisient. (Omnicient. > Omnishient. Omnicent. Omnicient ) > Sometimes I wonder if that isn't spelled "flaming assh*le"... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Bike Snob in Rivendell!
> Is it possible, do you think, that he doesn't understand either > randonneuring or Star Trek? Well, you have to know your subject if you are going to make a proper joke. On Jun 8, 5:26 pm, Steve Palincsar wrote: > On Tue, 2010-06-08 at 14:35 -0700, JoelMatthews wrote: > > > Oh, come now! My antennae quiver with delight when BSNYC (let us bow our > > > heads in wonderment and admiration pause ... OK, back to regular > > > garrulousness) pokes fun at something I like. He is just funny. GD vulgar, > > > too, but funny. > > > No so much the poking fun, but the comparison. > > > Even an entry level understanding of cosmology is enough to show Star > > Trek is an absurd impossible fantasy (eg., Paul Davies,'The Eerie > > Silence') . On the other hand, a Rando style bike is arguably as good > > a way to credit card tour as any. > > > If BSNYC wanted to compare Randos to nerds, he should have used nerds > > with nerding after something outside of the realm of fantasy, such as > > amateur astronomers or birders. Even trainspotters would have made > > more sense. > > Is it possible, do you think, that he doesn't understand either > randonneuring or Star Trek? > > >From what I can see, there isn't anything even remotely "retro-grouch" > > about randonneurs. They're all about getting the job done. Look at the > high-tech lighting systems if you have any doubt of it. If somebody > confuses the presence of fenders with nostalgia for the past or with a > rejection of modern values, whatever they are, he mustn't ride long > distances in the rain. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Bike Snob in Rivendell!
On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 4:26 PM, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > > Is it possible, do you think, that he doesn't understand either > randonneuring or Star Trek? > > No! How dare you suggest this! He is omnisient. (Omnicient. Omnishient. Omnicent. Omnicient ) Patrick "sometimes you have to ruthlessly stifle your critical faculty and just laugh out loud" Moore -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Bike Snob in Rivendell!
On Tue, 2010-06-08 at 14:35 -0700, JoelMatthews wrote: > > Oh, come now! My antennae quiver with delight when BSNYC (let us bow our > > heads in wonderment and admiration pause ... OK, back to regular > > garrulousness) pokes fun at something I like. He is just funny. GD vulgar, > > too, but funny. > > No so much the poking fun, but the comparison. > > Even an entry level understanding of cosmology is enough to show Star > Trek is an absurd impossible fantasy (eg., Paul Davies,'The Eerie > Silence') . On the other hand, a Rando style bike is arguably as good > a way to credit card tour as any. > > If BSNYC wanted to compare Randos to nerds, he should have used nerds > with nerding after something outside of the realm of fantasy, such as > amateur astronomers or birders. Even trainspotters would have made > more sense. Is it possible, do you think, that he doesn't understand either randonneuring or Star Trek? >From what I can see, there isn't anything even remotely "retro-grouch" about randonneurs. They're all about getting the job done. Look at the high-tech lighting systems if you have any doubt of it. If somebody confuses the presence of fenders with nostalgia for the past or with a rejection of modern values, whatever they are, he mustn't ride long distances in the rain. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Bike Snob in Rivendell!
> Oh, come now! My antennae quiver with delight when BSNYC (let us bow our > heads in wonderment and admiration pause ... OK, back to regular > garrulousness) pokes fun at something I like. He is just funny. GD vulgar, > too, but funny. No so much the poking fun, but the comparison. Even an entry level understanding of cosmology is enough to show Star Trek is an absurd impossible fantasy (eg., Paul Davies,'The Eerie Silence') . On the other hand, a Rando style bike is arguably as good a way to credit card tour as any. If BSNYC wanted to compare Randos to nerds, he should have used nerds with nerding after something outside of the realm of fantasy, such as amateur astronomers or birders. Even trainspotters would have made more sense. On Jun 8, 4:10 pm, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 1:47 PM, JoelMatthews wrote: > > > He says randonneuring is retro-grouchery in action, like nerds going > > > to a Star Trek convention! > > > It is statements like that from BSNYC that somewhat turn me off . > > Oh, come now! My antennae quiver with delight when BSNYC (let us bow our > heads in wonderment and admiration pause ... OK, back to regular > garrulousness) pokes fun at something I like. He is just funny. GD vulgar, > too, but funny. > > It's ok to poke fun cynically at things as long as you do it intelligently, > ie funnily. As with Evelyn Waugh and Paul Theroux, real, intelligent humor > and observation go a long way to make up for a nasty disposition. (How do I > know this? Never mind, just accept it as true.) > > > > > People have been flying to vacation destinations since the 1930s, and > > taking ships to vacations since before bikes were invented. Does that > > mean flying to your vacation or taking a cruise are retro-grouchy? > > Just pulled out Celia Fiennes; but her travel writing is just cataloguing, > tho' 17th century catalogues are somewhat interesting. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Bike Snob in Rivendell!
On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 1:47 PM, JoelMatthews wrote: > > He says randonneuring is retro-grouchery in action, like nerds going > > to a Star Trek convention! > > It is statements like that from BSNYC that somewhat turn me off . > Oh, come now! My antennae quiver with delight when BSNYC (let us bow our heads in wonderment and admiration pause ... OK, back to regular garrulousness) pokes fun at something I like. He is just funny. GD vulgar, too, but funny. It's ok to poke fun cynically at things as long as you do it intelligently, ie funnily. As with Evelyn Waugh and Paul Theroux, real, intelligent humor and observation go a long way to make up for a nasty disposition. (How do I know this? Never mind, just accept it as true.) > > People have been flying to vacation destinations since the 1930s, and > taking ships to vacations since before bikes were invented. Does that > mean flying to your vacation or taking a cruise are retro-grouchy? > Just pulled out Celia Fiennes; but her travel writing is just cataloguing, tho' 17th century catalogues are somewhat interesting. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Bike Snob in Rivendell!
> He says randonneuring is retro-grouchery in action, like nerds going > to a Star Trek convention! It is statements like that from BSNYC that somewhat turn me off . While I do not participate in Rando/Brevet (name your distance type race here) I do like to credit card tour. Rando style bikes by far are the best choice for the credit card tourer. People have been flying to vacation destinations since the 1930s, and taking ships to vacations since before bikes were invented. Does that mean flying to your vacation or taking a cruise are retro-grouchy? This, of course, gets very much to GP's point that BSNYC inevitably has inspired wannabes who think name calling is all that is necessary to match his level of success. On Jun 8, 1:49 pm, Jeff wrote: > He's coming to Austin a week from this Wednesday (thanks, Mellow > Johnny's!) There will be a ride from the shop (starting at 6) before > he does whatever he's going to do for us, so bring your Rivendells out > so we can all be righteously mocked. I'm reading the book at the > moment and one of my favorite bits is his take on the Retro Grouch. > He says randonneuring is retro-grouchery in action, like nerds going > to a Star Trek convention! While I love this sentiment, it's not > really the case in these parts. I see lots of titanium bikes with > questionable spoke counts and few others are doing it "Heine style." > Anyway, it's a fun read and much of it rings true. > > Jeff > > On Jun 8, 12:30 pm, William wrote: > > > > > I only read BSNYC infrequently, so perhaps he hasn't worn me out yet, > > but I found his short film review today very entertaining. > > > On Jun 7, 10:27 pm, Philip Williamson > > wrote: > > > > I had just joined the bicyclelifestyle group the day before the link > > > was posted. I was not amused by the reaction. I quit that group, and > > > will never go back. > > > > But I will buy the BikeSnob book from Rivendell! What a great review. > > > And a great blog. For the last four years, any time my wife hears me > > > laughing out loud in front of the computer, she assumes I'm reading > > > BikeSnob. > > > > Philip > > > 97128 > > > > On Jun 7, 6:04 pm, Horace wrote: > > > > > No, you had posted that to the bicyclelifestyle group. I thought the > > > > resulting outrage was amusing. Some people neither recognize nor > > > > appreciate talented writing. > > > > > Horace. > > > > > On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 3:25 PM, MichaelH wrote: > > > > > Say what! The first, last, and only time I left a link to Bikesnob on > > > > > this site I got publicly flamed. None the less, I wish well him well. > > > > > > michael > > > > > > On Jun 7, 4:06 pm, manueljohnacosta > > > > > wrote: > > > > >> Eben Weiss book is on sale at Rivendell! Not bad of a book, I do say > > > > >> so myself. Good quick read, glad that Grant wrote a review of that > > > > >> book. Interesting to say the least. Curious on anyone opinions on > > > > >> this > > > > >> book? > > > > > > -- > > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > > > > Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > > > > To post to this group, send email to > > > > > rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > > > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > > > > For more options, visit this group > > > > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.- Hide quoted > > > > > text - > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Bike Snob in Rivendell!
He's coming to Austin a week from this Wednesday (thanks, Mellow Johnny's!) There will be a ride from the shop (starting at 6) before he does whatever he's going to do for us, so bring your Rivendells out so we can all be righteously mocked. I'm reading the book at the moment and one of my favorite bits is his take on the Retro Grouch. He says randonneuring is retro-grouchery in action, like nerds going to a Star Trek convention! While I love this sentiment, it's not really the case in these parts. I see lots of titanium bikes with questionable spoke counts and few others are doing it "Heine style." Anyway, it's a fun read and much of it rings true. Jeff On Jun 8, 12:30 pm, William wrote: > I only read BSNYC infrequently, so perhaps he hasn't worn me out yet, > but I found his short film review today very entertaining. > > On Jun 7, 10:27 pm, Philip Williamson > wrote: > > > I had just joined the bicyclelifestyle group the day before the link > > was posted. I was not amused by the reaction. I quit that group, and > > will never go back. > > > But I will buy the BikeSnob book from Rivendell! What a great review. > > And a great blog. For the last four years, any time my wife hears me > > laughing out loud in front of the computer, she assumes I'm reading > > BikeSnob. > > > Philip > > 97128 > > > On Jun 7, 6:04 pm, Horace wrote: > > > > No, you had posted that to the bicyclelifestyle group. I thought the > > > resulting outrage was amusing. Some people neither recognize nor > > > appreciate talented writing. > > > > Horace. > > > > On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 3:25 PM, MichaelH wrote: > > > > Say what! The first, last, and only time I left a link to Bikesnob on > > > > this site I got publicly flamed. None the less, I wish well him well. > > > > > michael > > > > > On Jun 7, 4:06 pm, manueljohnacosta > > > > wrote: > > > >> Eben Weiss book is on sale at Rivendell! Not bad of a book, I do say > > > >> so myself. Good quick read, glad that Grant wrote a review of that > > > >> book. Interesting to say the least. Curious on anyone opinions on this > > > >> book? > > > > > -- > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > > > Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > > > For more options, visit this group > > > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Bike Snob in Rivendell!
I only read BSNYC infrequently, so perhaps he hasn't worn me out yet, but I found his short film review today very entertaining. On Jun 7, 10:27 pm, Philip Williamson wrote: > I had just joined the bicyclelifestyle group the day before the link > was posted. I was not amused by the reaction. I quit that group, and > will never go back. > > But I will buy the BikeSnob book from Rivendell! What a great review. > And a great blog. For the last four years, any time my wife hears me > laughing out loud in front of the computer, she assumes I'm reading > BikeSnob. > > Philip > 97128 > > On Jun 7, 6:04 pm, Horace wrote: > > > No, you had posted that to the bicyclelifestyle group. I thought the > > resulting outrage was amusing. Some people neither recognize nor > > appreciate talented writing. > > > Horace. > > > On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 3:25 PM, MichaelH wrote: > > > Say what! The first, last, and only time I left a link to Bikesnob on > > > this site I got publicly flamed. None the less, I wish well him well. > > > > michael > > > > On Jun 7, 4:06 pm, manueljohnacosta > > > wrote: > > >> Eben Weiss book is on sale at Rivendell! Not bad of a book, I do say > > >> so myself. Good quick read, glad that Grant wrote a review of that > > >> book. Interesting to say the least. Curious on anyone opinions on this > > >> book? > > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > > For more options, visit this group > > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Bike Snob in Rivendell!
I had just joined the bicyclelifestyle group the day before the link was posted. I was not amused by the reaction. I quit that group, and will never go back. But I will buy the BikeSnob book from Rivendell! What a great review. And a great blog. For the last four years, any time my wife hears me laughing out loud in front of the computer, she assumes I'm reading BikeSnob. Philip 97128 On Jun 7, 6:04 pm, Horace wrote: > No, you had posted that to the bicyclelifestyle group. I thought the > resulting outrage was amusing. Some people neither recognize nor > appreciate talented writing. > > Horace. > > On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 3:25 PM, MichaelH wrote: > > Say what! The first, last, and only time I left a link to Bikesnob on > > this site I got publicly flamed. None the less, I wish well him well. > > > michael > > > On Jun 7, 4:06 pm, manueljohnacosta > > wrote: > >> Eben Weiss book is on sale at Rivendell! Not bad of a book, I do say > >> so myself. Good quick read, glad that Grant wrote a review of that > >> book. Interesting to say the least. Curious on anyone opinions on this > >> book? > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Bike Snob in Rivendell!
I'm pretty sure it was here, too. On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 6:04 PM, Horace wrote: > No, you had posted that to the bicyclelifestyle group. I thought the > resulting outrage was amusing. Some people neither recognize nor > appreciate talented writing. > > Horace. > > > On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 3:25 PM, MichaelH wrote: > > Say what! The first, last, and only time I left a link to Bikesnob on > > this site I got publicly flamed. None the less, I wish well him well. > > > > michael > > > > On Jun 7, 4:06 pm, manueljohnacosta > > wrote: > >> Eben Weiss book is on sale at Rivendell! Not bad of a book, I do say > >> so myself. Good quick read, glad that Grant wrote a review of that > >> book. Interesting to say the least. Curious on anyone opinions on this > >> book? > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > . > > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > > > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA "Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym." ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Bike Snob in Rivendell!
Bike Snob is Powell's guest blogger this week: http://www.powells.com/blog/?author=945 I love this: "Last October, I was fortunate enough to visit Portland, the home of Powell's, and I wrote an article about my trip in some magazine that appeals to the kinds of people who drive Subarus and who wear climbing apparel and "technical footwear" to Whole Foods. " I don't regularly follow his blog although I'm not sure why. I kinda prefer http://allhailtheblackmarket.com/. Bike Snob will be at Powell's later this month, perhaps I'll go see him. I'll definitely pick-up the book. --mike- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Bike Snob in Rivendell!
No, you had posted that to the bicyclelifestyle group. I thought the resulting outrage was amusing. Some people neither recognize nor appreciate talented writing. Horace. On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 3:25 PM, MichaelH wrote: > Say what! The first, last, and only time I left a link to Bikesnob on > this site I got publicly flamed. None the less, I wish well him well. > > michael > > On Jun 7, 4:06 pm, manueljohnacosta > wrote: >> Eben Weiss book is on sale at Rivendell! Not bad of a book, I do say >> so myself. Good quick read, glad that Grant wrote a review of that >> book. Interesting to say the least. Curious on anyone opinions on this >> book? > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Bike Snob in Rivendell!
Say what! The first, last, and only time I left a link to Bikesnob on this site I got publicly flamed. None the less, I wish well him well. michael On Jun 7, 4:06 pm, manueljohnacosta wrote: > Eben Weiss book is on sale at Rivendell! Not bad of a book, I do say > so myself. Good quick read, glad that Grant wrote a review of that > book. Interesting to say the least. Curious on anyone opinions on this > book? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Bike Snob in Rivendell!
I followed the blog at first. It got repetitive and I lost interest. Weiss is a good writer. I will check the reviews. If the book goes beyond the blog, should be worth reading. Will probably wait for a Kindle version. On Jun 7, 3:06 pm, manueljohnacosta wrote: > Eben Weiss book is on sale at Rivendell! Not bad of a book, I do say > so myself. Good quick read, glad that Grant wrote a review of that > book. Interesting to say the least. Curious on anyone opinions on this > book? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Bike Snob in Rivendell!
Great book. Should be required reading for drivers and cyclists. On Jun 7, 4:06 pm, manueljohnacosta wrote: > Eben Weiss book is on sale at Rivendell! Not bad of a book, I do say > so myself. Good quick read, glad that Grant wrote a review of that > book. Interesting to say the least. Curious on anyone opinions on this > book? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Bike Snob in Rivendell!
Bike Snob NY blog is bookmarked on my home computer. Tony On Jun 7, 1:06 pm, manueljohnacosta wrote: > Eben Weiss book is on sale at Rivendell! Not bad of a book, I do say > so myself. Good quick read, glad that Grant wrote a review of that > book. Interesting to say the least. Curious on anyone opinions on this > book? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
