Re: [RBW] Re: Cheviot (or Sam)

Scratch my HC front rack idea... A Mark's rack it will be! Ahh, the details... Bob -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsub

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Congrats Sean! Like I said, a bike that makes one smile (and remember the smile!) is a great thing... I am envious of your chance to ride a Cheviot before ordering. Not that I have any doubts but it would have been nice. My build should end up very close to yours, Tubus rear rack, Albatr

Re: [RBW] Re: Cheviot (or Sam)

I think that bike looks great in grey. One cool thing about that color is you can "paint" it with bar tape, cages and cables to brighten it up later if you'd like. Red accents would be awesome! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" grou

Re: [RBW] Re: Cheviot (or Sam)

I wanted to again thank everyone for their comments about the Rivendell Cheviot. I'm happy to say that I did finally pull the trigger - a few days ago I put a deposit down on a Cheviot! I decided to go with the grey color - 60 cm (my pbh is 86. I rode a 60 Cheviot a few weeks ago and Riv HQ a

Re: [RBW] Re: Cheviot (or Sam)

Is there a report that this cannibalization is actually happening? If so, why the company just came out with three new Chev colors is puzzling, though it may have something to do with long lead times--or an attempt to "revive" the model. I have no idea if the active members on this list represe

Re: [RBW] Re: Cheviot (or Sam)

Kind of a shame. If the Clem L is killing the Chev, i almost think this is more of the reason than the price. A hunq fork crown and cantis (and bottle cage brazeons?) could transform the Chev into a perfect bike for me. I wonder if heel clearance would be an issue with brakes mounted on the m

Re: [RBW] Re: Cheviot (or Sam)

Kind of a shame. If the Clem L is killing the Chev, i almost think this is more of the reason than the price. A hunq fork crown and cantis (and bottle cage brazeons?) could transform the Chev into a perfect bike for me. I wonder if heel clearance would be an issue with brakes mounted on the m

Re: [RBW] Re: Cheviot (or Sam)

50 is about the max. If you are running fenders, adding a centerpull (I use diacompe) in the front greatly increases breathing room. I have run 47mm with fenders on my 60cm and that was tight. 42s are preferred. Clayton Scot SF, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to t

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Brian told me that 50 was max on the Cheviot. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to t

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Thanks, Bob & Eric. Not the answer i hoped for, but helpful. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com

Re: [RBW] Re: Cheviot (or Sam)

A search for "cheviot tire clearance" in this list turns up this... Great build and beautiful bike! The pictures in that post answer at least some of the questions. 700x50 Big Applies would seem to be about the largest tire that would work. And, I suspect, with the fluctuation in actual tire

Re: [RBW] Re: Cheviot (or Sam)

Does anybody happen to have a 60cm Chev, and would you be willing to take some measurements and photos of the tire clearance? Also (or maybe more important), is the tightest spot at the fork blades or the chainstays or the brakes themselves? The last call revelation plus the new colors have

Re: [RBW] Re: Cheviot (or Sam)

Michael, Do you think she is possibly measuring the CS length from, say, the back of the BB? I can see where measuring chain stay length has at least several interpretations. I have come to measure CS length from the center of the BB to the rear dropout or center of the rear axle but I am def

Re: [RBW] Re: Cheviot (or Sam)

I have seen what the web site states; but when I asked my daughter to measure the CS on her 50 cm Cheviot, she reported 42.5. She lives about 40 miles from me, but the next time I am at her home I will measure them myself just to make sure we are starting at the same point. Michael On Tuesd

Re: [RBW] Re: Cheviot (or Sam)

Hi Michael, The Cheviot has chain stays that get longer with larger sizes. (Chart pic on http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/f-cheviot.htm) 50cm frame -- 45cm chain stay 55 frame -- 50cm chain stay 60 frame -- 54cm chain stay I think this is fairly unusual for a manufacturer to have different chain

Re: [RBW] Re: Cheviot (or Sam)

My wife's 55 cm Betty has 43.5 cm chain stays. I know that the RBW site list the Cheviot at 45cm, but I couldn't see any difference when I built my daughter's bike up. I called her and asked her to measure the chain stay on her 50 cm Cheviot and she got 16.75", which comes to 42.5. She may b

[RBW] Re: Cheviot (or Sam)

Oh snap! Figured the Clem would have a better configuration than a traditional Dutch step-through. And since you asked, here's an OK picture of Betty in Central Park, near the boat launch. Hard to see from here, but I have a weird configuration that always gets compliments at bike shops: 10-spe

[RBW] Re: Cheviot (or Sam)

something like this would work for me On Sunday, August 14, 2016 at 10:47:25 PM UTC-5, Jame E wrote: > > I have another mixte, but I did want to make a recommendation to those of > you with mixte or other step-through frames. > > I have this leather frame handle >

[RBW] Re: Cheviot (or Sam)

I have another mixte, but I did want to make a recommendation to those of you with mixte or other step-through frames. I have this leather frame handle on my bike. I am sure a crafty pe

Re: [RBW] Re: Cheviot (or Sam)

Howard - Congratulations on your frame order! I noticed earlier today that there were only three grey Cheviots left. I have a funny feeling that I am going to follow your lead before the day is over. A Cheviot is quickly becoming the bike that I do not want to let get away. I can't seem to rec

Re: [RBW] Re: Cheviot (or Sam)

Hi Leah Not sure when I'll take delivery. Sounds like frames are on the way to RBW. I'm going with a frame set. Not sure how the build will end up. I plan to make this my grocery getter & pub crawler. Winter project I suspect. Howard Livonia Mi -- You received this message because you are sub

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Beyond excited for you. Envious, even! When do you expect to take delivery? Whole bike, or frame set? Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 14, 2016, at 1:14 PM, Howard Hatten wrote: > > Been following this post. I've been trying to decide if I want that 60 green > demo Chev. RBW is currently listing

Re: [RBW] Re: Cheviot (or Sam)

Been following this post. I've been trying to decide if I want that 60 green demo Chev. RBW is currently listing or that grey with cream accents frame set. Bobs post that he has a 60 on order led me to search the quantity availability. Wow, only 4 60cm's left in grey. What to do, what to do.

Re: [RBW] Re: Cheviot (or Sam)

I think your current green bags will be fantastically attractive with a gray Chev. Regarding your color choice, when choosing between orange and black for my Clementine, though I like orange bikes, I went with black, partially because there is a rather prominent Public mixte in town in bright

Re: [RBW] Re: Cheviot (or Sam)

I am very fortunate to have gotten a discount orange Cheviot frame that I had built up recently. It replaced my Surly Pacer (my wife will definitely not tolerate any more bikes!, but am very fortunate that she tolerated a replacement bike!). The bike is setup with an Albastache bar, thin gripster

Re: [RBW] Re: Cheviot (or Sam)

To exclude smiles from logic is illogical. Grin. With abandon, Patrick On Saturday, August 13, 2016 at 7:48:22 PM UTC-6, Bob Lovejoy wrote: > > > One thing I will add... For bikes I have bought, as well as other things, > the ones I regretted were the ones I decided on with only logic. The fact

Re: [RBW] Re: Cheviot (or Sam)

I will just add my vote, such as it is, for the Cheviot. In fact, I have voted with a deposit as I have had a 60cm grey reserved for awhile now. I initially thought about a black Clem (actually a Clementine) but decided that if I was going to get a Rivendell, I wanted something I would more l

Re: [RBW] Re: Cheviot (or Sam)

Sean, That green was one of my favorite Riv colors (except maybe the recent matte green Roscoe Bubbe). Was surprised when they didn't do it again. I always thought I'd paint my Hillborne that color if I ever bother to repaint it. I also thought the grey looks pretty great in the blug shots.

Re: [RBW] Re: Cheviot (or Sam)

I think green bags would look better on the orange bike. But if I ever get a Cheviot, I'll be looking for the green no-cream-headtube bike and put tan bags on it. That would be gorgeous! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To u

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This thread has been so informative. Thank you all for your comments and stories. Having lots of data points certainly is helpful in determining what course of action to take - to buy or not to buy a Cheviot. I've read through the comments a few times and the consensus seems to be that those who

[RBW] Re: Cheviot (or Sam)

Hi Caroline. Welcome. Would be great to see a pic of your City Betty with the racy Albatross bars! Regarding the comparison of the Clementine to the Dutc

[RBW] Re: Cheviot (or Sam)

Hey y'all! Long time lurker, first time responder! If I may put my two cents in: I have the Betty Foy - precursor to the Chev - and couldn't be happier with it. My only bike for seven years now, I ride it on day tours and almost every day in New York City (potholes, traffic, other stupid drive

[RBW] Re: Cheviot (or Sam)

If you regularly use 2 or 3 bottles it eliminates the Cheviot to me. Yes, you carry water in a bag, but then you're taking up finite bag space with something that ought to be stored on the frame. People buy bags to carry other things, not water. One bottle mount was expected in the 70's bu

Re: [RBW] Re: Cheviot (or Sam)

Thanks Irving. NICE! "FRIENDS DON'T LET FRIENDS RIDE JUNK " On Fri, Aug 12, 2016 at 2:10 PM, Irving wrote: > It's a Nitto Longboy Longstay that is apparently discontinued now. > > On Friday, August 12, 2016 at 12:36:35 PM UTC-7, Jon in central Colorado > wrote: >> >> Irving, >> Nice looking

[RBW] Re: Cheviot (or Sam)

It's a Nitto Longboy Longstay that is apparently discontinued now. On Friday, August 12, 2016 at 12:36:35 PM UTC-7, Jon in central Colorado wrote: > > Irving, > Nice looking Cheviot. > I ordered a blue one. Will also have Brooks spring saddle and Albatross. > What rack do you have on the back? >

[RBW] Re: Cheviot (or Sam)

Irving, Nice looking Cheviot. I ordered a blue one. Will also have Brooks spring saddle and Albatross. What rack do you have on the back? Jon ( serialcycler) on Instagram On Friday, August 12, 2016 at 12:08:39 PM UTC-6, Irving wrote: > Can I add to the list of glowing reviews about the Cheviot? >

[RBW] Re: Cheviot (or Sam)

Can I add to the list of glowing reviews about the Cheviot? I've had my Cheviot since last December and have taken it on a 120k rando ride, Bay Area headlands dirt excursions, S240's and daily commuting trips. I don't mind dealing with the "guy on a girl's bike" comments. Usually when you have

[RBW] Re: Cheviot (or Sam)

I have to say, this has been an interesting thread as I venture into mixte and 650B territory with the eagerly awaited new Riv custom. Thanks for all the as usual, thoughtful replies On Friday, August 12, 2016 at 6:22:40 AM UTC-5, Michael Hechmer wrote: > > My wife has a Betty (nearly identical

Re: [RBW] Re: Cheviot (or Sam)

They Cheviot has significantly longer stays than the Betty. It's more than just a color and name change (that was the Yves Gomez model) On Fri, Aug 12, 2016 at 7:22 AM, Michael Hechmer wrote: > My wife has a Betty (nearly identical to a Cevy) and my daughter a Cheviot > and the both love them.

[RBW] Re: Cheviot (or Sam)

My wife has a Betty (nearly identical to a Cevy) and my daughter a Cheviot and the both love them. My daughter opted for drop bars on hers and found they work quite well, so that is an option. I suspect that the changes from Betty to Chevy, which mostly consisted of color & name were made to

[RBW] Re: Cheviot (or Sam)

If you are concerned about the girl bike thing, look at Mark in Beacon's pictures on flickr of his clementine. Looks pretty tough when loaded with necessary accessories. I think the swamp green Chev is pretty tough myself. You could also make it look even tougher with the bullmoose boscos. I

[RBW] Re: Cheviot (or Sam)

Mike Packard wrote: *I'd also be interested to hear from those who are in a position to compare the Cheviot to the Clem L-Style.*That would be Grant, for one. He has Cheviot, which I believe is his main squeeze, and just recently got a Clem L. Jeremy wrote: *I know from experience that my wife

[RBW] Re: Cheviot (or Sam)

Still more comments about how nice the Cheviot is to ride. As far as I can tell, the only criticism seems to be that it only have one bottle mount. For around town riding, this seems not a big deal, and, as the poster commented, extra bottles can be stashed in bags if going on an extended ri

[RBW] Re: Cheviot (or Sam)

I have owned a Cheviot for a year and ride regularly. I'm 6'3" and weigh 220-230 depending on how many hot dogs I've eaten; there is not much frame flex and I can get this baby moving. Great bike, maybe the greatest get around town bike ever created, or least for myself. -- You received thi

[RBW] Re: Cheviot (or Sam)

I'm not in a position to compare the two, but I would very much like to TRY a Cheviot, because I know from experience that my wife and I can easily pedal the Clem L-stype hard enough to cause problematic frame flex. The Cheviot should be stiffer, and I think that would help a lot. /Jeremy On T

[RBW] Re: Cheviot (or Sam)

Let's see the Bob Brown! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to

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I'd also be interested to hear from those who are in a position to compare the Cheviot to the Clem L-Style. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

Re: [RBW] Re: Cheviot (or Sam)

On 08/09/2016 03:04 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote: The problems with selling a used custom steel bike are two-fold. First is that you have to come to grips with the fact that a custom frame is valuable because it is custom. The freedom to change things until they are perfect for you is valuable. Th

[RBW] Re: Cheviot (or Sam)

as usual good point and I bet your buyer was thrilled to get such a deal On Tuesday, August 9, 2016 at 2:04:51 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote: > > The problems with selling a used custom steel bike are two-fold. First is > that you have to come to grips with the fact that a custom frame is > valu

[RBW] Re: Cheviot (or Sam)

These posts make me happy I ordered a Cheviot. I have never ridden one. I tried to talk my wife into a 55cm so she could ride along with me on my Sam. She said no. So I ordered a 60cm for myself. Snooze she loses. I'm excited to see the difference between the Sam and Cheviot. The Cheviot probably

[RBW] Re: Cheviot (or Sam)

The problems with selling a used custom steel bike are two-fold. First is that you have to come to grips with the fact that a custom frame is valuable because it is custom. The freedom to change things until they are perfect for you is valuable. That value is completely spent once the bike i

[RBW] Re: Cheviot (or Sam)

Sorryas you can see by the link, classic lugged steel bikes available http://www.bobbrowncycles.com/ >From Minnesota On Tuesday, August 9, 2016 at 12:31:34 PM UTC-5, Ryan Fleming wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, August 9, 2016 at 12:07:56 PM UTC-5, Ryan Flemi

[RBW] Re: Cheviot (or Sam)

On Tuesday, August 9, 2016 at 12:07:56 PM UTC-5, Ryan Fleming wrote: > > If I recall Bob Brown makes some very nice bikes ...could try posting the > bike here or internet-bob, I would think > > On Tuesday, August 9, 2016 at 10:58:02 AM UTC-5, SeanMac wrote: >> >> Wow - what a bunch of enablers y

[RBW] Re: Cheviot (or Sam)

I just recently gave up looking for a used 50cm cheviot for my wife. She has a Clem and it would be stupid financially anyway. They just don't pop up for sale nearly as often as other riv models. I think I've seen 1 chev in the last year, and he was selling it for about the same price as a new o

[RBW] Re: Cheviot (or Sam)

If I recall Bob Brown makes some very nice bikes ...could try posting the bike here or internet-bob, I would think On Tuesday, August 9, 2016 at 10:58:02 AM UTC-5, SeanMac wrote: > > Wow - what a bunch of enablers you folks are! In all seriousness, I > really do appreciate all of your comments.

[RBW] Re: Cheviot (or Sam)

The last run of Cheviots? Say it ain't so! I can't speak to the Cheviot, but I have the Chev's forerunner, the Betty Foy and it's a lovely bike. It's also my only bike, and it will remain so because it is One Bike to Rule Them All. I am putting Bosco Bullmoose bars on it, and then I promise it

[RBW] Re: Cheviot (or Sam)

Tires= I LOVE the Rock and Roads. Use both on and off road. They wear great. I believe they're the maximum width the Cheviot can take. On Tuesday, August 9, 2016 at

[RBW] Re: Cheviot (or Sam)

My wife has a Cheviot and I have a Sam. Both are setup almost identically and ride wonderfully. The Chev is a bit plusher ride and extremely comfortable. If I were to choose one for city and errand riding, it would be the Cheviot. The longer chain stays make large panniers for groceries easy, a

[RBW] Re: Cheviot (or Sam)

Wow - what a bunch of enablers you folks are! In all seriousness, I really do appreciate all of your comments. I really did enjoy riding the Cheviot when I was in Walnut Creek a few weeks ago. I remember being surprised by how quick the bike felt. I have a Tubus rear rack and a "Mark's rack"

[RBW] Re: Cheviot (or Sam)

Hey Sean, I've owned both the Chev & Sam, before switching to the Hunq which fit more of my fat tire needs, and the ability to shoulder my bike up and down my apartment stairs. If you don't have to carry the bike up and down any stairs and don't need room for more than 45mm tires, I think the

[RBW] Re: Cheviot (or Sam)

Hi Sean: I have a green Cheviot and gave up my Sam to get it. It's set up also with Rock and Roads, front (with a basket) and rear rack, and I ride it e

[RBW] Re: Cheviot (or Sam)

A few years ago I bought a Motobecane Super Mirage Mixte (google it) from a woman up the street. It was $15, had been her daily commuter for years, and she'd had Suntour Command shifters installed. I bought it for the shifters figuring I'd never find a pair for $15. At the time I was riding a ni