Re: [RBW] Re: Don't tell me that a few lbs don't make a bloody difference!
The only thing that I'll add to the discussion is that we're talking about pounds here. Which is healthy. I've been part of discussions when folks were arguing grams. Non-ironically. Y'know...mocking folks who still ran 150g mtb handlebars when you caould shave 35-40 grams by throwing another hundred bucks at it. I don't think that anyone can argue that weight doesn't make a difference on a climb. The important thing is whether that difference matters. I don't have it at ready reference, but I recall in a catalog (mighta been a Reader) GP writing about the original Banana Bag - a seatbag which was gloriously larger than most anything you could find at the time. He wrote about how a saddlebag that let you carry something more than a spare tube and an energy gel was a much more sensible thing. How you'd be a lot more comfortable on the way down the mountain if you had real food and another layer stowed along. It was a pretty radical position at the time. There are plenty of Riv owners and riders who go plenty fast. If someone has the means and interest to do so, they certainly shouldn't be scoffed at for choosing safe, light parts, (As Keith Bontrager once wrote, Cheap. Light. Strong. Pick two.) just as we don't mock someone who wants to run fully fendered, racked and bagged all the time. Me? I'm kinda always banging back and forth between those ideals, which, once again, is why Grant's designs work so well - they allow you do continually tinker, hone and rerig in the manner that works for you right now. There are times when it's fun to see who is fastest, or if you can nick some seconds off of a personal best time. There are times when it's tremendous to roll along among new and old friends. Whatever causes the most smiles per miles. I like to be the kind of person my dog thinks I am. I've been paying attention at the dog park, and notice that they lay about, loaf around, go flat-out-bat-outta-hell, carve crazy turns, get dirty, get out of breath and do it all over again. Which seems an appropriate goal for any bike ride. The other thing that Patrick touches upon has to do with climbing on fixed-gear bicycles. It rocks. Utterly and completely. It hurts. Thoroughly and deeply. This last week, I've been switching back and forth between the Hilsen - a multi-geared and coastable setup - and the Quickbeam - which I run fixed most of the time. There's really no comparison. I can move up my regular climbs at a decent clip on the Hilsen, but it always feels like flyng (well, until you utterly, crushingly bonk) on the Quickbeam. The momentum of fixed gear systems is palpable. all righty then... didn't mean to warble on at quite that length. - Jim -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net ³Velvet pillows, safari parks, sunglasses: people have become woolly mice. They still have bodies that can walk for five days and four nights through a desert of snow, without food, but they accept praise for having taken a one-hour bicycle ride.² - Tim Krabbe, The Rider Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries - http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes Send In Your Photos! - Here's how: http://www.cyclofiend.com/guidelines -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Don't tell me that a few lbs don't make a bloody difference!
Speaking of non-ironic absurd weight discussions. I overheard two guys at the 200k brevet this weekend talking about how some cyclists are obsessed with weight. I chimed in that I know riders who actually believe that they get a burst of speed if they move their 2 pound water bottle to their jersey pocket. They both nodded and replied Well, yeah, of course that's true. That's why domestiques carry a dozen water bottles in their jersey and still manage to catch the team leaders to deliver them. Physics, it's not just a good idea, it's the law. On Feb 16, 12:13 am, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote: The only thing that I'll add to the discussion is that we're talking about pounds here. Which is healthy. I've been part of discussions when folks were arguing grams. Non-ironically. Y'know...mocking folks who still ran 150g mtb handlebars when you caould shave 35-40 grams by throwing another hundred bucks at it. I don't think that anyone can argue that weight doesn't make a difference on a climb. The important thing is whether that difference matters. I don't have it at ready reference, but I recall in a catalog (mighta been a Reader) GP writing about the original Banana Bag - a seatbag which was gloriously larger than most anything you could find at the time. He wrote about how a saddlebag that let you carry something more than a spare tube and an energy gel was a much more sensible thing. How you'd be a lot more comfortable on the way down the mountain if you had real food and another layer stowed along. It was a pretty radical position at the time. There are plenty of Riv owners and riders who go plenty fast. If someone has the means and interest to do so, they certainly shouldn't be scoffed at for choosing safe, light parts, (As Keith Bontrager once wrote, Cheap. Light. Strong. Pick two.) just as we don't mock someone who wants to run fully fendered, racked and bagged all the time. Me? I'm kinda always banging back and forth between those ideals, which, once again, is why Grant's designs work so well - they allow you do continually tinker, hone and rerig in the manner that works for you right now. There are times when it's fun to see who is fastest, or if you can nick some seconds off of a personal best time. There are times when it's tremendous to roll along among new and old friends. Whatever causes the most smiles per miles. I like to be the kind of person my dog thinks I am. I've been paying attention at the dog park, and notice that they lay about, loaf around, go flat-out-bat-outta-hell, carve crazy turns, get dirty, get out of breath and do it all over again. Which seems an appropriate goal for any bike ride. The other thing that Patrick touches upon has to do with climbing on fixed-gear bicycles. It rocks. Utterly and completely. It hurts. Thoroughly and deeply. This last week, I've been switching back and forth between the Hilsen - a multi-geared and coastable setup - and the Quickbeam - which I run fixed most of the time. There's really no comparison. I can move up my regular climbs at a decent clip on the Hilsen, but it always feels like flyng (well, until you utterly, crushingly bonk) on the Quickbeam. The momentum of fixed gear systems is palpable. all righty then... didn't mean to warble on at quite that length. - Jim -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net ³Velvet pillows, safari parks, sunglasses: people have become woolly mice. They still have bodies that can walk for five days and four nights through a desert of snow, without food, but they accept praise for having taken a one-hour bicycle ride.² - Tim Krabbe, The Rider Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries -http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes Send In Your Photos! - Here's how:http://www.cyclofiend.com/guidelines -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Don't tell me that a few lbs don't make a bloody difference!
Well put. As for climbing on fixed gears, it is hard, but it has made hills enjoyable for the most part rather than a chore as I found it (note: I am speaking only of my own reactions) with derailleurs. In fact, as long as I keep the climbing reasonable -- steep but no more than 1 mile, longer but more gradual -- I find it the most fun part of cycling fixed. It is the challenge (doing more with less), the feel (that inertial feel), and pacing oneself (knowing how and when to back off, when to stand and when to sit). Now, I repeat that I ride only short distances: 30 miles is a long ride (as I told Grant years ago when I commissioned my first custom in 1994 -- his response was, It *is* a long ride) and a normal ride is a 22 m round trip riding between my house and my mother's (I often work from her house to keep her company) with flats, hills and wind. I know Eric has done PBP on a Quickbeam, but that is another dimension altogether. But for this sort of distance and conditions, fixed is perfect and light fixies are fun! On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 1:13 AM, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote: The only thing that I'll add to the discussion is that we're talking about pounds here. Which is healthy. I've been part of discussions when folks were arguing grams. Non-ironically. Y'know...mocking folks who still ran 150g mtb handlebars when you caould shave 35-40 grams by throwing another hundred bucks at it. I don't think that anyone can argue that weight doesn't make a difference on a climb. The important thing is whether that difference matters. I don't have it at ready reference, but I recall in a catalog (mighta been a Reader) GP writing about the original Banana Bag - a seatbag which was gloriously larger than most anything you could find at the time. He wrote about how a saddlebag that let you carry something more than a spare tube and an energy gel was a much more sensible thing. How you'd be a lot more comfortable on the way down the mountain if you had real food and another layer stowed along. It was a pretty radical position at the time. There are plenty of Riv owners and riders who go plenty fast. If someone has the means and interest to do so, they certainly shouldn't be scoffed at for choosing safe, light parts, (As Keith Bontrager once wrote, Cheap. Light. Strong. Pick two.) just as we don't mock someone who wants to run fully fendered, racked and bagged all the time. Me? I'm kinda always banging back and forth between those ideals, which, once again, is why Grant's designs work so well - they allow you do continually tinker, hone and rerig in the manner that works for you right now. There are times when it's fun to see who is fastest, or if you can nick some seconds off of a personal best time. There are times when it's tremendous to roll along among new and old friends. Whatever causes the most smiles per miles. I like to be the kind of person my dog thinks I am. I've been paying attention at the dog park, and notice that they lay about, loaf around, go flat-out-bat-outta-hell, carve crazy turns, get dirty, get out of breath and do it all over again. Which seems an appropriate goal for any bike ride. The other thing that Patrick touches upon has to do with climbing on fixed-gear bicycles. It rocks. Utterly and completely. It hurts. Thoroughly and deeply. This last week, I've been switching back and forth between the Hilsen - a multi-geared and coastable setup - and the Quickbeam - which I run fixed most of the time. There's really no comparison. I can move up my regular climbs at a decent clip on the Hilsen, but it always feels like flyng (well, until you utterly, crushingly bonk) on the Quickbeam. The momentum of fixed gear systems is palpable. all righty then... didn't mean to warble on at quite that length. - Jim -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net ³Velvet pillows, safari parks, sunglasses: people have become woolly mice. They still have bodies that can walk for five days and four nights through a desert of snow, without food, but they accept praise for having taken a one-hour bicycle ride.² - Tim Krabbe, The Rider Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries - http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes Send In Your Photos! - Here's how: http://www.cyclofiend.com/guidelines -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this
[RBW] Re: Don't tell me that a few lbs don't make a bloody difference!
Ah. You describe it as I've imagined it. Sounds wonderful. Alas, I fear for my knees, being a person of size. And I don't think I'll subject a poor SimpleOne to an experience that only a double-top-tuber should have. Sigh. It's not like I don't enjoy my (relatively) heavy, geared, lusciously- comfortable Hillborne! Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean On Feb 16, 9:17 am, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: Well put. As for climbing on fixed gears, it is hard, but it has made hills enjoyable for the most part rather than a chore as I found it (note: I am speaking only of my own reactions) with derailleurs. In fact, as long as I keep the climbing reasonable -- steep but no more than 1 mile, longer but more gradual -- I find it the most fun part of cycling fixed. It is the challenge (doing more with less), the feel (that inertial feel), and pacing oneself (knowing how and when to back off, when to stand and when to sit). Now, I repeat that I ride only short distances: 30 miles is a long ride (as I told Grant years ago when I commissioned my first custom in 1994 -- his response was, It *is* a long ride) and a normal ride is a 22 m round trip riding between my house and my mother's (I often work from her house to keep her company) with flats, hills and wind. I know Eric has done PBP on a Quickbeam, but that is another dimension altogether. But for this sort of distance and conditions, fixed is perfect and light fixies are fun! On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 1:13 AM, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote: The only thing that I'll add to the discussion is that we're talking about pounds here. Which is healthy. I've been part of discussions when folks were arguing grams. Non-ironically. Y'know...mocking folks who still ran 150g mtb handlebars when you caould shave 35-40 grams by throwing another hundred bucks at it. I don't think that anyone can argue that weight doesn't make a difference on a climb. The important thing is whether that difference matters. I don't have it at ready reference, but I recall in a catalog (mighta been a Reader) GP writing about the original Banana Bag - a seatbag which was gloriously larger than most anything you could find at the time. He wrote about how a saddlebag that let you carry something more than a spare tube and an energy gel was a much more sensible thing. How you'd be a lot more comfortable on the way down the mountain if you had real food and another layer stowed along. It was a pretty radical position at the time. There are plenty of Riv owners and riders who go plenty fast. If someone has the means and interest to do so, they certainly shouldn't be scoffed at for choosing safe, light parts, (As Keith Bontrager once wrote, Cheap. Light. Strong. Pick two.) just as we don't mock someone who wants to run fully fendered, racked and bagged all the time. Me? I'm kinda always banging back and forth between those ideals, which, once again, is why Grant's designs work so well - they allow you do continually tinker, hone and rerig in the manner that works for you right now. There are times when it's fun to see who is fastest, or if you can nick some seconds off of a personal best time. There are times when it's tremendous to roll along among new and old friends. Whatever causes the most smiles per miles. I like to be the kind of person my dog thinks I am. I've been paying attention at the dog park, and notice that they lay about, loaf around, go flat-out-bat-outta-hell, carve crazy turns, get dirty, get out of breath and do it all over again. Which seems an appropriate goal for any bike ride. The other thing that Patrick touches upon has to do with climbing on fixed-gear bicycles. It rocks. Utterly and completely. It hurts. Thoroughly and deeply. This last week, I've been switching back and forth between the Hilsen - a multi-geared and coastable setup - and the Quickbeam - which I run fixed most of the time. There's really no comparison. I can move up my regular climbs at a decent clip on the Hilsen, but it always feels like flyng (well, until you utterly, crushingly bonk) on the Quickbeam. The momentum of fixed gear systems is palpable. all righty then... didn't mean to warble on at quite that length. - Jim -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net ³Velvet pillows, safari parks, sunglasses: people have become woolly mice. They still have bodies that can walk for five days and four nights through a desert of snow, without food, but they accept praise for having taken a one-hour bicycle ride.² - Tim Krabbe, The Rider Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries -http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes Send In Your Photos! - Here's how:http://www.cyclofiend.com/guidelines -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email
[RBW] Re: Don't tell me that a few lbs don't make a bloody difference!
There's a really long, shitty* hillclimb on the way home from my work.Yesterday, I barely made it-- despite having ultimately shifted into the granny near the top and taking it easy at about 0.003 mph. This afternoon, I launched up it like it was nuthin', middle ring/cog front/back. Same bike... basket up front, rear rack, nokian studded tires. Maybe it was the brisk air today? Whatever it was: there are good days and there are bad days. *(narrow road, dirty snowbanks making it even narrower, clusterf$# of impatient Yukigator drivers) On Feb 15, 3:41 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: I just got back from a nice if brief-ish 1 hour ride on the '99 Riv gofast, newly equipped with pretty Phil front hub (I have decided not to replace the computer -- just yet, anyway, but I guesstimate that I covered, easily, 23 miles over rolling, mostly suburban terrain). Anyway, I deliberately went out of my way to climb some steepish, 1/2 mile long hills, mostly standing in the 75 gear, and blow me down, if I sped up those hills like ... like like ... Oh! Like Bartali, shifting into a *higher* gear at the bottom of a steep climb, turning with a sneer and glare at his competition, and leaving them in his dust. Sortof. Anyway, the difference between this gofast that, now, without a computer, weighs a featherlite 17 3/4 lb, and the almost identical but built as a commuter '03, is about 5 lb, and I certainly can tell the difference on the hills. Just so you know. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Don't tell me that a few lbs don't make a bloody difference!
for some though that 3 mph is 16 or 13 mph, or about 23 minutes diference over the 29 miles - the difference between time a shower or no shower on your lunch break or before work? and still having time to ride 29 miles. I would take the speed over a shorter ride, especally if 8 of the miles in the middle of the ride were out in the country after you escape the clutches of suburbia and then have to re- enter Rock on Patrick - voice of speed Bikes get us from pont a to point b faster than walking. That often why we ride them, otherwise just walk. You do not have to be a racer boy all the time, but the talk around here lately has me wondering if riv should be sponsering low speed tech trials for god's sake. Maybe they should set up cones in the lot and run a reverse race with points off for putting a foot down, the guy who can stay up longest spining 22 - 36 (MEGA) on flat ground wins!! Rob On Feb 15, 2:04 pm, Kelly Sleeper tkslee...@gmail.com wrote: 5 lbs means very little from my experience. So the one built as a commuter .. Same tires wheels geometry bars handlebar height? Add 5 lbs in water bottle on go fast and doubt you'll notice much. But if all you're interested in is speed have fun. A 2 to 3 mph average speed difference for me is nothing. So what Rivendell did you build to 17ish pounds? Kelly Sent from my iPhone On Feb 15, 2011, at 2:41 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: I just got back from a nice if brief-ish 1 hour ride on the '99 Riv gofast, newly equipped with pretty Phil front hub (I have decided not to replace the computer -- just yet, anyway, but I guesstimate that I covered, easily, 23 miles over rolling, mostly suburban terrain). Anyway, I deliberately went out of my way to climb some steepish, 1/2 mile long hills, mostly standing in the 75 gear, and blow me down, if I sped up those hills like ... like like ... Oh! Like Bartali, shifting into a *higher* gear at the bottom of a steep climb, turning with a sneer and glare at his competition, and leaving them in his dust. Sortof. Anyway, the difference between this gofast that, now, without a computer, weighs a featherlite 17 3/4 lb, and the almost identical but built as a commuter '03, is about 5 lb, and I certainly can tell the difference on the hills. Just so you know. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Don't tell me that a few lbs don't make a bloody difference!
OMG, not the dreaded weight topic! Of course weight matters when you riding up hill, carrying a bike up a flight of stairs, or putting it on a roof rack. The laws of physics are not negotiable. Our objective is not necessarily MPH, but JPM - Joy Per Mile. Sometimes lighter weight can add to JPM and sometimes it doesn't matter at all. michael On Feb 15, 3:41 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: I just got back from a nice if brief-ish 1 hour ride on the '99 Riv gofast, newly equipped with pretty Phil front hub (I have decided not to replace the computer -- just yet, anyway, but I guesstimate that I covered, easily, 23 miles over rolling, mostly suburban terrain). Anyway, I deliberately went out of my way to climb some steepish, 1/2 mile long hills, mostly standing in the 75 gear, and blow me down, if I sped up those hills like ... like like ... Oh! Like Bartali, shifting into a *higher* gear at the bottom of a steep climb, turning with a sneer and glare at his competition, and leaving them in his dust. Sortof. Anyway, the difference between this gofast that, now, without a computer, weighs a featherlite 17 3/4 lb, and the almost identical but built as a commuter '03, is about 5 lb, and I certainly can tell the difference on the hills. Just so you know. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Don't tell me that a few lbs don't make a bloody difference!
True, but I've noticed this over and over again -- and I have bad days on the gofast, too -- it's just that they are faster, at least uphill, than bad days on the other bikes. On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 3:15 PM, newenglandbike matthiasbe...@gmail.com wrote: There's a really long, shitty* hillclimb on the way home from my work. Yesterday, I barely made it-- despite having ultimately shifted into the granny near the top and taking it easy at about 0.003 mph. This afternoon, I launched up it like it was nuthin', middle ring/cog front/back. Same bike... basket up front, rear rack, nokian studded tires. Maybe it was the brisk air today? Whatever it was: there are good days and there are bad days. *(narrow road, dirty snowbanks making it even narrower, clusterf$# of impatient Yukigator drivers) On Feb 15, 3:41 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: I just got back from a nice if brief-ish 1 hour ride on the '99 Riv gofast, newly equipped with pretty Phil front hub (I have decided not to replace the computer -- just yet, anyway, but I guesstimate that I covered, easily, 23 miles over rolling, mostly suburban terrain). Anyway, I deliberately went out of my way to climb some steepish, 1/2 mile long hills, mostly standing in the 75 gear, and blow me down, if I sped up those hills like ... like like ... Oh! Like Bartali, shifting into a *higher* gear at the bottom of a steep climb, turning with a sneer and glare at his competition, and leaving them in his dust. Sortof. Anyway, the difference between this gofast that, now, without a computer, weighs a featherlite 17 3/4 lb, and the almost identical but built as a commuter '03, is about 5 lb, and I certainly can tell the difference on the hills. Just so you know. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Don't tell me that a few lbs don't make a bloody difference!
The voice, OK, but the legs? For me, speed is not usually to get somewhere faster, it's because riding fast has its own pleasures, and riding fast on a bike that responds very well to efforts to ride fast adds to this pleasure. One advantage, in the last two days, of removing the computer is that I don't see a readout telling me that I am at a speed lower than the theoretical average that I think I ought to maintain; this is especially true in the first few miles. I think this allows me to warm up properly and start pushing only when I feel warmed up. Anyway, we'll see... On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 3:21 PM, rperks perks@gmail.com wrote: for some though that 3 mph is 16 or 13 mph, or about 23 minutes diference over the 29 miles - the difference between time a shower or no shower on your lunch break or before work? and still having time to ride 29 miles. I would take the speed over a shorter ride, especally if 8 of the miles in the middle of the ride were out in the country after you escape the clutches of suburbia and then have to re- enter Rock on Patrick - voice of speed Bikes get us from pont a to point b faster than walking. That often why we ride them, otherwise just walk. You do not have to be a racer boy all the time, but the talk around here lately has me wondering if riv should be sponsering low speed tech trials for god's sake. Maybe they should set up cones in the lot and run a reverse race with points off for putting a foot down, the guy who can stay up longest spining 22 - 36 (MEGA) on flat ground wins!! Rob -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Don't tell me that a few lbs don't make a bloody difference!
To me it comes down to the purpose of my ride. Commuting/training solo ... weight doesn't matter. A fun day out riding with friends.. it matters just enough that I can stay comfortably with the group. I certainly don't worry about butted or straight gauge spokes but an extra 10 lbs on the bike makes the day a lot less fun on a group ride. ~Mike On Feb 15, 2:30 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: The voice, OK, but the legs? For me, speed is not usually to get somewhere faster, it's because riding fast has its own pleasures, and riding fast on a bike that responds very well to efforts to ride fast adds to this pleasure. One advantage, in the last two days, of removing the computer is that I don't see a readout telling me that I am at a speed lower than the theoretical average that I think I ought to maintain; this is especially true in the first few miles. I think this allows me to warm up properly and start pushing only when I feel warmed up. Anyway, we'll see... On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 3:21 PM, rperks perks@gmail.com wrote: for some though that 3 mph is 16 or 13 mph, or about 23 minutes diference over the 29 miles - the difference between time a shower or no shower on your lunch break or before work? and still having time to ride 29 miles. I would take the speed over a shorter ride, especally if 8 of the miles in the middle of the ride were out in the country after you escape the clutches of suburbia and then have to re- enter Rock on Patrick - voice of speed Bikes get us from pont a to point b faster than walking. That often why we ride them, otherwise just walk. You do not have to be a racer boy all the time, but the talk around here lately has me wondering if riv should be sponsering low speed tech trials for god's sake. Maybe they should set up cones in the lot and run a reverse race with points off for putting a foot down, the guy who can stay up longest spining 22 - 36 (MEGA) on flat ground wins!! Rob- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Don't tell me that a few lbs don't make a bloody difference!
I recently came to that awareness after I completed restoring my Italian (Vittorio Malagnini) race bike with sew-ups. A few pounds really makes a difference in a climb even for an old guy (71) like me. Try it - you'll like it. BTW, a computer would be out of place on this classic. On Feb 15, 12:41 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: I just got back from a nice if brief-ish 1 hour ride on the '99 Riv gofast, newly equipped with pretty Phil front hub (I have decided not to replace the computer -- just yet, anyway, but I guesstimate that I covered, easily, 23 miles over rolling, mostly suburban terrain). Anyway, I deliberately went out of my way to climb some steepish, 1/2 mile long hills, mostly standing in the 75 gear, and blow me down, if I sped up those hills like ... like like ... Oh! Like Bartali, shifting into a *higher* gear at the bottom of a steep climb, turning with a sneer and glare at his competition, and leaving them in his dust. Sortof. Anyway, the difference between this gofast that, now, without a computer, weighs a featherlite 17 3/4 lb, and the almost identical but built as a commuter '03, is about 5 lb, and I certainly can tell the difference on the hills. Just so you know. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Don't tell me that a few lbs don't make a bloody difference!
We are relative beings-- we compare our experiences to other experiences. Hot/cold, high/low, and light/heavy do not exist independently but only in relation to the other. Walk up a mountain with a 40 lb pack and then with a 10 lb pack-- betcha the 10 lb feels light and you feel faster. Now do it with no pack and then the 10 lber- feel heavy? slower? Here in Tucson it is usually only out-of- towners in the swimming pool in February when it is 70 degrees, the rest of us are in our winter jackets. There are countless examples of this. I think that weight matters-- though more to ourselves then to any concrete absolute. If Patrick rode a 10 lb race bike up the same hill I am sure his fast bike would feel not so fast. But that doesnt make the 10 lber a fast bike, it makes Patrick faster on it. If Patrick only rode the fast bike I would guess it would stop feeling fast as the experience of riding the slow (commuter) bike faded. Cheers! cm -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Don't tell me that a few lbs don't make a bloody difference!
All things considered, light is nice, but it's way more important to have something that can do the work you need. Unless, of course, you opt to use your car when you decide to get groceries more than what fits in your saddle/hbar bags. I would rather not pollute the lungs of the people I share my city with. So, I try to find alternatives. I ride my bicycle because i love to ride it--but it isn't a toy, it's a tool and my means of transportation. Weightwise, that means getting my transportation needs down first. I'm happy to have a lighter bicycle for dedicated roading, but would give it up in a heartbeat should my circumstances change. The only bike I absolutely need is my atlantis, the rest is fun fluff. Talk weight all you want, but unless you are living carfree it means nothing to me. That's just treating bicycle's like some sort of toy or slight convenience. Maybe I'm being strong in my wording here, but oh well. As always, ride more, talk about riding less~you'll be 3mph faster in no time. erik -- oakland, ca bikenoir.blogspot.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Don't tell me that a few lbs don't make a bloody difference!
Wonderful what you can do with a single, fixed gear! Not to mention a Dremel tool. In the interest of full disclosure, Patrick should have mentioned his addiction to removing extraneous material from his bikes. dougP On Feb 15, 2:12 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: The other Riv has even lighter wheels but the rider position is the same. I tell you, I do notice a difference in climbing. (I was carrying a full, stainless steel, double wall thermos.) It is the '99 650C gofast custom that I've posted about recently. Wonderful what you can do with a single, fixed gear! On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 3:04 PM, Kelly Sleeper tkslee...@gmail.com wrote: 5 lbs means very little from my experience. So the one built as a commuter .. Same tires wheels geometry bars handlebar height? Add 5 lbs in water bottle on go fast and doubt you'll notice much. But if all you're interested in is speed have fun. A 2 to 3 mph average speed difference for me is nothing. So what Rivendell did you build to 17ish pounds? Kelly Sent from my iPhone On Feb 15, 2011, at 2:41 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: I just got back from a nice if brief-ish 1 hour ride on the '99 Riv gofast, newly equipped with pretty Phil front hub (I have decided not to replace the computer -- just yet, anyway, but I guesstimate that I covered, easily, 23 miles over rolling, mostly suburban terrain). Anyway, I deliberately went out of my way to climb some steepish, 1/2 mile long hills, mostly standing in the 75 gear, and blow me down, if I sped up those hills like ... like like ... Oh! Like Bartali, shifting into a *higher* gear at the bottom of a steep climb, turning with a sneer and glare at his competition, and leaving them in his dust. Sortof. Anyway, the difference between this gofast that, now, without a computer, weighs a featherlite 17 3/4 lb, and the almost identical but built as a commuter '03, is about 5 lb, and I certainly can tell the difference on the hills. Just so you know. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Don't tell me that a few lbs don't make a bloody difference!
The cost of that two to three miles per hour.. 700x23 tires on areo wheels Bars a fist and a half below seat Special shoes So one I wear everyday cloths and the other I spend 20 minutes changing airing tires fixing flats etc Been there done that.. Nod thanks next Kelly Sent from my iPhone On Feb 15, 2011, at 4:21 PM, rperks perks@gmail.com wrote: for some though that 3 mph is 16 or 13 mph, or about 23 minutes diference over the 29 miles - the difference between time a shower or no shower on your lunch break or before work? and still having time to ride 29 miles. I would take the speed over a shorter ride, especally if 8 of the miles in the middle of the ride were out in the country after you escape the clutches of suburbia and then have to re- enter Rock on Patrick - voice of speed Bikes get us from pont a to point b faster than walking. That often why we ride them, otherwise just walk. You do not have to be a racer boy all the time, but the talk around here lately has me wondering if riv should be sponsering low speed tech trials for god's sake. Maybe they should set up cones in the lot and run a reverse race with points off for putting a foot down, the guy who can stay up longest spining 22 - 36 (MEGA) on flat ground wins!! Rob On Feb 15, 2:04 pm, Kelly Sleeper tkslee...@gmail.com wrote: 5 lbs means very little from my experience. So the one built as a commuter .. Same tires wheels geometry bars handlebar height? Add 5 lbs in water bottle on go fast and doubt you'll notice much. But if all you're interested in is speed have fun. A 2 to 3 mph average speed difference for me is nothing. So what Rivendell did you build to 17ish pounds? Kelly Sent from my iPhone On Feb 15, 2011, at 2:41 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: I just got back from a nice if brief-ish 1 hour ride on the '99 Riv gofast, newly equipped with pretty Phil front hub (I have decided not to replace the computer -- just yet, anyway, but I guesstimate that I covered, easily, 23 miles over rolling, mostly suburban terrain). Anyway, I deliberately went out of my way to climb some steepish, 1/2 mile long hills, mostly standing in the 75 gear, and blow me down, if I sped up those hills like ... like like ... Oh! Like Bartali, shifting into a *higher* gear at the bottom of a steep climb, turning with a sneer and glare at his competition, and leaving them in his dust. Sortof. Anyway, the difference between this gofast that, now, without a computer, weighs a featherlite 17 3/4 lb, and the almost identical but built as a commuter '03, is about 5 lb, and I certainly can tell the difference on the hills. Just so you know. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Don't tell me that a few lbs don't make a bloody difference!
I certainly don't worry about butted or straight gauge spokes but an extra 10 lbs on the bike makes the day a lot less fun on a group ride. Or an extra 10 lbs can make the day, if it's the right 10 lbs. Chubbier tires to minimize flats, an extra water bottle, lots'o'food (my favorite!) and of course a selection clothing and some place to carrry it - I can see 10 lbs extra in that stuff. OK, there's probably a camera phone, couple of maps, too much change, the odd tool that I could probably ditch. But if I was in a hurry I wouldn't be on a bike. Keep those reports coming Patrick; and don't forget the climate date next time! dougP On Feb 15, 2:47 pm, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote: To me it comes down to the purpose of my ride. Commuting/training solo ... weight doesn't matter. A fun day out riding with friends.. it matters just enough that I can stay comfortably with the group. I certainly don't worry about butted or straight gauge spokes but an extra 10 lbs on the bike makes the day a lot less fun on a group ride. ~Mike On Feb 15, 2:30 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: The voice, OK, but the legs? For me, speed is not usually to get somewhere faster, it's because riding fast has its own pleasures, and riding fast on a bike that responds very well to efforts to ride fast adds to this pleasure. One advantage, in the last two days, of removing the computer is that I don't see a readout telling me that I am at a speed lower than the theoretical average that I think I ought to maintain; this is especially true in the first few miles. I think this allows me to warm up properly and start pushing only when I feel warmed up. Anyway, we'll see... On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 3:21 PM, rperks perks@gmail.com wrote: for some though that 3 mph is 16 or 13 mph, or about 23 minutes diference over the 29 miles - the difference between time a shower or no shower on your lunch break or before work? and still having time to ride 29 miles. I would take the speed over a shorter ride, especally if 8 of the miles in the middle of the ride were out in the country after you escape the clutches of suburbia and then have to re- enter Rock on Patrick - voice of speed Bikes get us from pont a to point b faster than walking. That often why we ride them, otherwise just walk. You do not have to be a racer boy all the time, but the talk around here lately has me wondering if riv should be sponsering low speed tech trials for god's sake. Maybe they should set up cones in the lot and run a reverse race with points off for putting a foot down, the guy who can stay up longest spining 22 - 36 (MEGA) on flat ground wins!! Rob- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Don't tell me that a few lbs don't make a bloody difference!
I planted a secret camera to record this so-called 23 miles in one hour ride. I think the video documentation proves the original guesstimation of distance traveled is highly questionable. Decide for yourself: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqjEvDlFqdM On Feb 15, 3:43 pm, doug peterson dougpn...@cox.net wrote: I certainly don't worry about butted or straight gauge spokes but an extra 10 lbs on the bike makes the day a lot less fun on a group ride. Or an extra 10 lbs can make the day, if it's the right 10 lbs. Chubbier tires to minimize flats, an extra water bottle, lots'o'food (my favorite!) and of course a selection clothing and some place to carrry it - I can see 10 lbs extra in that stuff. OK, there's probably a camera phone, couple of maps, too much change, the odd tool that I could probably ditch. But if I was in a hurry I wouldn't be on a bike. Keep those reports coming Patrick; and don't forget the climate date next time! dougP On Feb 15, 2:47 pm, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote: To me it comes down to the purpose of my ride. Commuting/training solo ... weight doesn't matter. A fun day out riding with friends.. it matters just enough that I can stay comfortably with the group. I certainly don't worry about butted or straight gauge spokes but an extra 10 lbs on the bike makes the day a lot less fun on a group ride. ~Mike On Feb 15, 2:30 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: The voice, OK, but the legs? For me, speed is not usually to get somewhere faster, it's because riding fast has its own pleasures, and riding fast on a bike that responds very well to efforts to ride fast adds to this pleasure. One advantage, in the last two days, of removing the computer is that I don't see a readout telling me that I am at a speed lower than the theoretical average that I think I ought to maintain; this is especially true in the first few miles. I think this allows me to warm up properly and start pushing only when I feel warmed up. Anyway, we'll see... On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 3:21 PM, rperks perks@gmail.com wrote: for some though that 3 mph is 16 or 13 mph, or about 23 minutes diference over the 29 miles - the difference between time a shower or no shower on your lunch break or before work? and still having time to ride 29 miles. I would take the speed over a shorter ride, especally if 8 of the miles in the middle of the ride were out in the country after you escape the clutches of suburbia and then have to re- enter Rock on Patrick - voice of speed Bikes get us from pont a to point b faster than walking. That often why we ride them, otherwise just walk. You do not have to be a racer boy all the time, but the talk around here lately has me wondering if riv should be sponsering low speed tech trials for god's sake. Maybe they should set up cones in the lot and run a reverse race with points off for putting a foot down, the guy who can stay up longest spining 22 - 36 (MEGA) on flat ground wins!! Rob- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Don't tell me that a few lbs don't make a bloody difference!
Now that is an insight worth noting; good on yer. But it doesn't make the 10 lb or 18 lb or 24 lb bike act any differently, whether I am used to that or not and I don't believe that we lose all track so to speak of these behaviors when we stick to them. Anyway, I have no desire to add weight to the gofast: I've enjoyed it for getting on for 12 years and, all relative or not, it is always a joy to get on it. (I did heft a 12 lb Calfee fixie ...) Odd: the Fargo is a real porker: not only at least 33 lb (37 with toolbag, on bike shop digital scale) but with massively heavy rims and tires (about 800 gr each ie, for each rim, each tire), not to mention quarter-lb 722X2 tubes. But it doesn't feel all that slow on the flats -- perhaps I'll cruise at 17 compared to 18-19 on the gofast -- but it does feel doggish on the hills! Odd, though, on a route similar to today's, with some longish, steepish climbs, the Fargo is not that much slower all around, an oddity that I attribute to the fact that I can coast down said hills at 28 mph instead of (as I do when I am recovering from going up) sluffing down at 21 mph or so. On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 3:55 PM, cm chrispmur...@hotmail.com wrote: We are relative beings-- we compare our experiences to other experiences. Hot/cold, high/low, and light/heavy do not exist independently but only in relation to the other. Walk up a mountain with a 40 lb pack and then with a 10 lb pack-- betcha the 10 lb feels light and you feel faster. Now do it with no pack and then the 10 lber- feel heavy? slower? Here in Tucson it is usually only out-of- towners in the swimming pool in February when it is 70 degrees, the rest of us are in our winter jackets. There are countless examples of this. I think that weight matters-- though more to ourselves then to any Now this absolute. If Patrick rode a 10 lb race bike up the same hill I am sure his fast bike would feel not so fast. But that doesnt make the 10 lber a fast bike, it makes Patrick faster on it. If Patrick only rode the fast bike I would guess it would stop feeling fast as the experience of riding the slow (commuter) bike faded. Cheers! cm -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Don't tell me that a few lbs don't make a bloody difference!
That was me, yesterday, on the track. I seriously hope no one reading my last post is stupid enough to take the number seriously -- it is far, far to egregious an exaggeration to need an emoticon. On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 5:00 PM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: I planted a secret camera to record this so-called 23 miles in one hour ride. I think the video documentation proves the original guesstimation of distance traveled is highly questionable. Decide for yourself: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqjEvDlFqdM On Feb 15, 3:43 pm, doug peterson dougpn...@cox.net wrote: I certainly don't worry about butted or straight gauge spokes but an extra 10 lbs on the bike makes the day a lot less fun on a group ride. Or an extra 10 lbs can make the day, if it's the right 10 lbs. Chubbier tires to minimize flats, an extra water bottle, lots'o'food (my favorite!) and of course a selection clothing and some place to carrry it - I can see 10 lbs extra in that stuff. OK, there's probably a camera phone, couple of maps, too much change, the odd tool that I could probably ditch. But if I was in a hurry I wouldn't be on a bike. Keep those reports coming Patrick; and don't forget the climate date next time! dougP On Feb 15, 2:47 pm, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote: To me it comes down to the purpose of my ride. Commuting/training solo ... weight doesn't matter. A fun day out riding with friends.. it matters just enough that I can stay comfortably with the group. I certainly don't worry about butted or straight gauge spokes but an extra 10 lbs on the bike makes the day a lot less fun on a group ride. ~Mike On Feb 15, 2:30 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: The voice, OK, but the legs? For me, speed is not usually to get somewhere faster, it's because riding fast has its own pleasures, and riding fast on a bike that responds very well to efforts to ride fast adds to this pleasure. One advantage, in the last two days, of removing the computer is that I don't see a readout telling me that I am at a speed lower than the theoretical average that I think I ought to maintain; this is especially true in the first few miles. I think this allows me to warm up properly and start pushing only when I feel warmed up. Anyway, we'll see... On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 3:21 PM, rperks perks@gmail.com wrote: for some though that 3 mph is 16 or 13 mph, or about 23 minutes diference over the 29 miles - the difference between time a shower or no shower on your lunch break or before work? and still having time to ride 29 miles. I would take the speed over a shorter ride, especally if 8 of the miles in the middle of the ride were out in the country after you escape the clutches of suburbia and then have to re- enter Rock on Patrick - voice of speed Bikes get us from pont a to point b faster than walking. That often why we ride them, otherwise just walk. You do not have to be a racer boy all the time, but the talk around here lately has me wondering if riv should be sponsering low speed tech trials for god's sake. Maybe they should set up cones in the lot and run a reverse race with points off for putting a foot down, the guy who can stay up longest spining 22 - 36 (MEGA) on flat ground wins!! Rob- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Don't tell me that a few lbs don't make a bloody difference!
Each to his own. On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 4:36 PM, Kelly Sleeper tkslee...@gmail.com wrote: The cost of that two to three miles per hour.. 700x23 tires on areo wheels Bars a fist and a half below seat Special shoes So one I wear everyday cloths and the other I spend 20 minutes changing airing tires fixing flats etc Been there done that.. Nod thanks next Kelly Sent from my iPhone On Feb 15, 2011, at 4:21 PM, rperks perks@gmail.com wrote: for some though that 3 mph is 16 or 13 mph, or about 23 minutes diference over the 29 miles - the difference between time a shower or no shower on your lunch break or before work? and still having time to ride 29 miles. I would take the speed over a shorter ride, especally if 8 of the miles in the middle of the ride were out in the country after you escape the clutches of suburbia and then have to re- enter Rock on Patrick - voice of speed Bikes get us from pont a to point b faster than walking. That often why we ride them, otherwise just walk. You do not have to be a racer boy all the time, but the talk around here lately has me wondering if riv should be sponsering low speed tech trials for god's sake. Maybe they should set up cones in the lot and run a reverse race with points off for putting a foot down, the guy who can stay up longest spining 22 - 36 (MEGA) on flat ground wins!! Rob On Feb 15, 2:04 pm, Kelly Sleeper tkslee...@gmail.com wrote: 5 lbs means very little from my experience. So the one built as a commuter .. Same tires wheels geometry bars handlebar height? Add 5 lbs in water bottle on go fast and doubt you'll notice much. But if all you're interested in is speed have fun. A 2 to 3 mph average speed difference for me is nothing. So what Rivendell did you build to 17ish pounds? Kelly Sent from my iPhone On Feb 15, 2011, at 2:41 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: I just got back from a nice if brief-ish 1 hour ride on the '99 Riv gofast, newly equipped with pretty Phil front hub (I have decided not to replace the computer -- just yet, anyway, but I guesstimate that I covered, easily, 23 miles over rolling, mostly suburban terrain). Anyway, I deliberately went out of my way to climb some steepish, 1/2 mile long hills, mostly standing in the 75 gear, and blow me down, if I sped up those hills like ... like like ... Oh! Like Bartali, shifting into a *higher* gear at the bottom of a steep climb, turning with a sneer and glare at his competition, and leaving them in his dust. Sortof. Anyway, the difference between this gofast that, now, without a computer, weighs a featherlite 17 3/4 lb, and the almost identical but built as a commuter '03, is about 5 lb, and I certainly can tell the difference on the hills. Just so you know. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Don't tell me that a few lbs don't make a bloody difference!
So I'll clarify.. For me at 210lbs 5 lbs is not noticed on climbs or the feel of the bike. Same bike same wheels etc so maybe you are more sensitive to weight. Pat it really wasnt directed at you. I lost say 3 mph going to steel from an aggressive race bike. Had lots of fun .. Just because I'm not sprinting at 30 mph and averaging 20 plus doesn't mean I'm crawling along either.. Had I wanted that race experience I would NEVER buy a Rivendell. Just saying Sent from my iPhone On Feb 15, 2011, at 6:27 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: Each to his own. On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 4:36 PM, Kelly Sleeper tkslee...@gmail.com wrote: The cost of that two to three miles per hour.. 700x23 tires on areo wheels Bars a fist and a half below seat Special shoes So one I wear everyday cloths and the other I spend 20 minutes changing airing tires fixing flats etc Been there done that.. Nod thanks next Kelly Sent from my iPhone On Feb 15, 2011, at 4:21 PM, rperks perks@gmail.com wrote: for some though that 3 mph is 16 or 13 mph, or about 23 minutes diference over the 29 miles - the difference between time a shower or no shower on your lunch break or before work? and still having time to ride 29 miles. I would take the speed over a shorter ride, especally if 8 of the miles in the middle of the ride were out in the country after you escape the clutches of suburbia and then have to re- enter Rock on Patrick - voice of speed Bikes get us from pont a to point b faster than walking. That often why we ride them, otherwise just walk. You do not have to be a racer boy all the time, but the talk around here lately has me wondering if riv should be sponsering low speed tech trials for god's sake. Maybe they should set up cones in the lot and run a reverse race with points off for putting a foot down, the guy who can stay up longest spining 22 - 36 (MEGA) on flat ground wins!! Rob On Feb 15, 2:04 pm, Kelly Sleeper tkslee...@gmail.com wrote: 5 lbs means very little from my experience. So the one built as a commuter .. Same tires wheels geometry bars handlebar height? Add 5 lbs in water bottle on go fast and doubt you'll notice much. But if all you're interested in is speed have fun. A 2 to 3 mph average speed difference for me is nothing. So what Rivendell did you build to 17ish pounds? Kelly Sent from my iPhone On Feb 15, 2011, at 2:41 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: I just got back from a nice if brief-ish 1 hour ride on the '99 Riv gofast, newly equipped with pretty Phil front hub (I have decided not to replace the computer -- just yet, anyway, but I guesstimate that I covered, easily, 23 miles over rolling, mostly suburban terrain). Anyway, I deliberately went out of my way to climb some steepish, 1/2 mile long hills, mostly standing in the 75 gear, and blow me down, if I sped up those hills like ... like like ... Oh! Like Bartali, shifting into a *higher* gear at the bottom of a steep climb, turning with a sneer and glare at his competition, and leaving them in his dust. Sortof. Anyway, the difference between this gofast that, now, without a computer, weighs a featherlite 17 3/4 lb, and the almost identical but built as a commuter '03, is about 5 lb, and I certainly can tell the difference on the hills. Just so you know. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to
Re: [RBW] Re: Don't tell me that a few lbs don't make a bloody difference!
One's speed climbing is all about power to weight. More weight and it is harder to climb. Climb by yourself without a computer, and it is just about how you feel. Climb with friends or a local group ride, and your perceived effort can map to the weight you carry. Climb with your heavy wheels, heavy tires, extra full water bottle, laptop and extra sweater, and suddenly the slow guy you ride in front of most climbs is smiling as he passes you on the climb. All rides are good rides. Fast rides with light bikes and strong rides with equipped bikes are all good bike rides. I notice the difference between climbing on my commuter bike and my go fast bike, but then again I'm the slowest climber in America, so I have time to think about these things. I guess I sometimes blame the extra weight on my bike when I am lagging behind my commuting mates, instead of blaming the weight around the middle of my person. Sean (down 14 pounds this year since reading Gary Taubes) --- On Tue, 2/15/11, Kelly Sleeper tkslee...@gmail.com wrote: From: Kelly Sleeper tkslee...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Don't tell me that a few lbs don't make a bloody difference! To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Tuesday, February 15, 2011, 7:49 PM So I'll clarify.. For me at 210lbs 5 lbs is not noticed on climbs or the feel of the bike. Same bike same wheels etc so maybe you are more sensitive to weight. Pat it really wasnt directed at you. I lost say 3 mph going to steel from an aggressive race bike. Had lots of fun .. Just because I'm not sprinting at 30 mph and averaging 20 plus doesn't mean I'm crawling along either.. Had I wanted that race experience I would NEVER buy a Rivendell. Just saying Sent from my iPhone On Feb 15, 2011, at 6:27 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: Each to his own. On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 4:36 PM, Kelly Sleeper tkslee...@gmail.com wrote: The cost of that two to three miles per hour.. 700x23 tires on areo wheels Bars a fist and a half below seat Special shoes So one I wear everyday cloths and the other I spend 20 minutes changing airing tires fixing flats etc Been there done that.. Nod thanks next Kelly Sent from my iPhone On Feb 15, 2011, at 4:21 PM, rperks perks@gmail.com wrote: for some though that 3 mph is 16 or 13 mph, or about 23 minutes diference over the 29 miles - the difference between time a shower or no shower on your lunch break or before work? and still having time to ride 29 miles. I would take the speed over a shorter ride, especally if 8 of the miles in the middle of the ride were out in the country after you escape the clutches of suburbia and then have to re- enter Rock on Patrick - voice of speed Bikes get us from pont a to point b faster than walking. That often why we ride them, otherwise just walk. You do not have to be a racer boy all the time, but the talk around here lately has me wondering if riv should be sponsering low speed tech trials for god's sake. Maybe they should set up cones in the lot and run a reverse race with points off for putting a foot down, the guy who can stay up longest spining 22 - 36 (MEGA) on flat ground wins!! Rob On Feb 15, 2:04 pm, Kelly Sleeper tkslee...@gmail.com wrote: 5 lbs means very little from my experience. So the one built as a commuter .. Same tires wheels geometry bars handlebar height? Add 5 lbs in water bottle on go fast and doubt you'll notice much. But if all you're interested in is speed have fun. A 2 to 3 mph average speed difference for me is nothing. So what Rivendell did you build to 17ish pounds? Kelly Sent from my iPhone On Feb 15, 2011, at 2:41 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: I just got back from a nice if brief-ish 1 hour ride on the '99 Riv gofast, newly equipped with pretty Phil front hub (I have decided not to replace the computer -- just yet, anyway, but I guesstimate that I covered, easily, 23 miles over rolling, mostly suburban terrain). Anyway, I deliberately went out of my way to climb some steepish, 1/2 mile long hills, mostly standing in the 75 gear, and blow me down, if I sped up those hills like ... like like ... Oh! Like Bartali, shifting into a *higher* gear at the bottom of a steep climb, turning with a sneer and glare at his competition, and leaving them in his dust. Sortof. Anyway, the difference between this gofast that, now, without a computer, weighs a featherlite 17 3/4 lb, and the almost identical but built as a commuter '03, is about 5 lb, and I certainly can tell the difference on the hills. Just so you know. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch
Re: [RBW] Re: Don't tell me that a few lbs don't make a bloody difference!
Thanks for the clarification. When all is said and done, we all ride (I hope) for fun, and I had fun on my ride today (and yesterday, 21 miles, a bit less climbing). On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 5:49 PM, Kelly Sleeper tkslee...@gmail.com wrote: So I'll clarify.. For me at 210lbs 5 lbs is not noticed on climbs or the feel of the bike. Same bike same wheels etc so maybe you are more sensitive to weight. Pat it really wasnt directed at you. I lost say 3 mph going to steel from an aggressive race bike. Had lots of fun .. Just because I'm not sprinting at 30 mph and averaging 20 plus doesn't mean I'm crawling along either.. Had I wanted that race experience I would NEVER buy a Rivendell. Just saying Sent from my iPhone On Feb 15, 2011, at 6:27 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: Each to his own. On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 4:36 PM, Kelly Sleeper tkslee...@gmail.com wrote: The cost of that two to three miles per hour.. 700x23 tires on areo wheels Bars a fist and a half below seat Special shoes So one I wear everyday cloths and the other I spend 20 minutes changing airing tires fixing flats etc Been there done that.. Nod thanks next Kelly Sent from my iPhone On Feb 15, 2011, at 4:21 PM, rperks perks@gmail.com wrote: for some though that 3 mph is 16 or 13 mph, or about 23 minutes diference over the 29 miles - the difference between time a shower or no shower on your lunch break or before work? and still having time to ride 29 miles. I would take the speed over a shorter ride, especally if 8 of the miles in the middle of the ride were out in the country after you escape the clutches of suburbia and then have to re- enter Rock on Patrick - voice of speed Bikes get us from pont a to point b faster than walking. That often why we ride them, otherwise just walk. You do not have to be a racer boy all the time, but the talk around here lately has me wondering if riv should be sponsering low speed tech trials for god's sake. Maybe they should set up cones in the lot and run a reverse race with points off for putting a foot down, the guy who can stay up longest spining 22 - 36 (MEGA) on flat ground wins!! Rob On Feb 15, 2:04 pm, Kelly Sleeper tkslee...@gmail.com wrote: 5 lbs means very little from my experience. So the one built as a commuter .. Same tires wheels geometry bars handlebar height? Add 5 lbs in water bottle on go fast and doubt you'll notice much. But if all you're interested in is speed have fun. A 2 to 3 mph average speed difference for me is nothing. So what Rivendell did you build to 17ish pounds? Kelly Sent from my iPhone On Feb 15, 2011, at 2:41 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: I just got back from a nice if brief-ish 1 hour ride on the '99 Riv gofast, newly equipped with pretty Phil front hub (I have decided not to replace the computer -- just yet, anyway, but I guesstimate that I covered, easily, 23 miles over rolling, mostly suburban terrain). Anyway, I deliberately went out of my way to climb some steepish, 1/2 mile long hills, mostly standing in the 75 gear, and blow me down, if I sped up those hills like ... like like ... Oh! Like Bartali, shifting into a *higher* gear at the bottom of a steep climb, turning with a sneer and glare at his competition, and leaving them in his dust. Sortof. Anyway, the difference between this gofast that, now, without a computer, weighs a featherlite 17 3/4 lb, and the almost identical but built as a commuter '03, is about 5 lb, and I certainly can tell the difference on the hills. Just so you know. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact
[RBW] Re: Don't tell me that a few lbs don't make a bloody difference!
I have noticed that my recumbent bicycle is much faster on flat and rolling terrain and I climb the best on my wife's 25 pound mountain bike all Riv'ed out with Albatross bars, hemp twine and fenders. I suppose bicycle weight is noticeable especially when the rider is close to ideal body weight and in good condition. Its fun to mess around with our machines...go! Patrick ! On Feb 15, 4:27 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: Each to his own. On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 4:36 PM, Kelly Sleeper tkslee...@gmail.com wrote: The cost of that two to three miles per hour.. 700x23 tires on areo wheels Bars a fist and a half below seat Special shoes So one I wear everyday cloths and the other I spend 20 minutes changing airing tires fixing flats etc Been there done that.. Nod thanks next Kelly Sent from my iPhone On Feb 15, 2011, at 4:21 PM, rperks perks@gmail.com wrote: for some though that 3 mph is 16 or 13 mph, or about 23 minutes diference over the 29 miles - the difference between time a shower or no shower on your lunch break or before work? and still having time to ride 29 miles. I would take the speed over a shorter ride, especally if 8 of the miles in the middle of the ride were out in the country after you escape the clutches of suburbia and then have to re- enter Rock on Patrick - voice of speed Bikes get us from pont a to point b faster than walking. That often why we ride them, otherwise just walk. You do not have to be a racer boy all the time, but the talk around here lately has me wondering if riv should be sponsering low speed tech trials for god's sake. Maybe they should set up cones in the lot and run a reverse race with points off for putting a foot down, the guy who can stay up longest spining 22 - 36 (MEGA) on flat ground wins!! Rob On Feb 15, 2:04 pm, Kelly Sleeper tkslee...@gmail.com wrote: 5 lbs means very little from my experience. So the one built as a commuter .. Same tires wheels geometry bars handlebar height? Add 5 lbs in water bottle on go fast and doubt you'll notice much. But if all you're interested in is speed have fun. A 2 to 3 mph average speed difference for me is nothing. So what Rivendell did you build to 17ish pounds? Kelly Sent from my iPhone On Feb 15, 2011, at 2:41 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: I just got back from a nice if brief-ish 1 hour ride on the '99 Riv gofast, newly equipped with pretty Phil front hub (I have decided not to replace the computer -- just yet, anyway, but I guesstimate that I covered, easily, 23 miles over rolling, mostly suburban terrain). Anyway, I deliberately went out of my way to climb some steepish, 1/2 mile long hills, mostly standing in the 75 gear, and blow me down, if I sped up those hills like ... like like ... Oh! Like Bartali, shifting into a *higher* gear at the bottom of a steep climb, turning with a sneer and glare at his competition, and leaving them in his dust. Sortof. Anyway, the difference between this gofast that, now, without a computer, weighs a featherlite 17 3/4 lb, and the almost identical but built as a commuter '03, is about 5 lb, and I certainly can tell the difference on the hills. Just so you know. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.-Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
[RBW] Re: Don't tell me that a few lbs don't make a bloody difference!
Yeah, I still like a light bike, but I guess it depends on what type of ride you're doing. I thought I'd sell my severely undersized 17 lb Felt F55 road bike (alu/carbon duraace racer) after getting the Hillborne, but the Hillborne (heavy with racks, baskets, and phil/schmidt hubs) has just made me so much stronger that I can maintain some serious speeds on the Felt now, which is fun in a totally different way. I can only do it for about 2 hours though, and then my back, hands and neck ache. (this bike is a 54 when I should be riding a 60) But woa, those 2 hours are heckuva rush. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Don't tell me that a few lbs don't make a bloody difference!
I am glad this weight topic came up again. Weight has been a big factor in my bicycle enjoyment - so have high volume tires, bars up at seat height, and fenders. I am fortunate enough to have a few bikes that land in different places on the weight and intended use spectrum. I commute by bicycle and don't own a car. A typical bike ride for me involves at least four flights of stairs and steep hills. I will concede that weight is less noticeable when riding on a bike, but I feel that only considering time on a bicycle creates a incomplete view of my experience. I don't weigh my bikes, the numbers aren't that important to me, what matters is that there is occasional talk of the reasons why a lighter bicycle might be preferred. JL -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
