[RBW] Re: Handlebar Bag on 60 cm Sam Hillborne
I use a Hobo bag also and find that because it is mounted close to the steer tube it doesn't affect handling to any noticeable degree. Adding some extra attachments (old toe straps, hemp twine, elastic cord ) through the D rings and around the brake hoods makes the bag is very stable. I mounted my heavy tools, spare tube etc. in a homemade canvas tool roll and keep it under the saddle so its always there. The front bag gets used for wet weather gear, food, extra clothing..mostly lighter stuff. As Grant has written before it also works to keep your finger tips warm because the higher mounting position blocks the wind. On Dec 31 2010, 3:41 pm, rperks perks@gmail.com wrote: I have heard the siren song of the Berthoud bag and managed to resist. The main detractor for me is that the larger bag will look best with my 63 Roadeo, and then I would fill it, compulsively with stuff just becauce I had the space. I opted for the Acorn Hobo style bag and a Nitto light mount 2:http://www.flickr.com/photos/rperks1/4380585188/in/set-72157622875811... So far so good, I have other bags to add storage on the bike as needed. Camera, phone wallet and other quick on the bike typ ethings go in the front, the rest is in the middle or rear. The set up has not significantly hurt handling as far as I can detect. Rob -http://oceanaircycles.com/ On Dec 30, 10:06 am, MikeC mecinib...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Has anyone successfully mounted a classic handlebar bag with decaleur on a 60 cm Hillborne or other bike with a large drop from stem to top of fender? My Technomic Dlx is at the max exension. I have read poor stability is a potential issue with the integrated decaleur on the VO front rack. Anyone with experience with those and what bag did you use? I'm considering a midsize bag. -Mike C. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Handlebar Bag on 60 cm Sam Hillborne
I ride a 63cm AHH and use the largest size Berthoud bag. I've used both the Berthoud decaleur which attaches to the stem on the HB bold and the VO headset spacer decaleur. Both have their advantages. Not sure which would work best for your bike. The VO model is certainly the cheaper of the two but the Berthoud is more secure. With the VO model the bag can pop out of the decauler on bumpy roads. I like the taller bag as it's easier to read a cue sheet and access the inside of the main compartment. With a smaller bag it might be a little harder to access depending on your bar height. If you don't need the space on your handlebars for a computer or lights you could consider the Sackville BarSack. I'm not sure if it will affect the handling of your bike significantly but it seems a nice enough design and certainly easier to set up and remove from the bike. Good luck. Be sure to let us know what you go with. --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Handlebar Bag on 60 cm Sam Hillborne
Go with a loafer and a bar tube combo. easy. I know the boxy bag is pretty, but I didn't like it. Prefer a bar bag with straps. Plus, the loafer is super duper secure on a rack and the tube gives you riding access to the few things you'll want while riding. A thought anyway. Scott On Dec 31, 2:03 pm, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: I ride a 63cm AHH and use the largest size Berthoud bag. I've used both the Berthoud decaleur which attaches to the stem on the HB bold and the VO headset spacer decaleur. Both have their advantages. Not sure which would work best for your bike. The VO model is certainly the cheaper of the two but the Berthoud is more secure. With the VO model the bag can pop out of the decauler on bumpy roads. I like the taller bag as it's easier to read a cue sheet and access the inside of the main compartment. With a smaller bag it might be a little harder to access depending on your bar height. If you don't need the space on your handlebars for a computer or lights you could consider the Sackville BarSack. I'm not sure if it will affect the handling of your bike significantly but it seems a nice enough design and certainly easier to set up and remove from the bike. Good luck. Be sure to let us know what you go with. --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Handlebar Bag on 60 cm Sam Hillborne
Another option I'm partial to is the Acorn Boxy Rando on the little Nitto mini front rack. It leaves the handlebars completely free. It comes with 4 velcro straps to attach to the rack platform plus a sleeve that slips over the vertical piece on the back of the rack. I added a couple of D-rings to the bottom toward the front and some shock cord to make it easier to take off / on than the 4 straps. Either way it's super secure holds a ton of stuff. Unless grossly over-loaded, it doesn't have much affect on handling on my 58 cm Atlantis. OTH, another list member had the same set-up on I think a 60 cm AHH and seriously did not like what it did to his handling. Bags can be funny that way. dougP On Dec 31, 12:08 pm, scott clankbonesh...@gmail.com wrote: Go with a loafer and a bar tube combo. easy. I know the boxy bag is pretty, but I didn't like it. Prefer a bar bag with straps. Plus, the loafer is super duper secure on a rack and the tube gives you riding access to the few things you'll want while riding. A thought anyway. Scott On Dec 31, 2:03 pm, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: I ride a 63cm AHH and use the largest size Berthoud bag. I've used both the Berthoud decaleur which attaches to the stem on the HB bold and the VO headset spacer decaleur. Both have their advantages. Not sure which would work best for your bike. The VO model is certainly the cheaper of the two but the Berthoud is more secure. With the VO model the bag can pop out of the decauler on bumpy roads. I like the taller bag as it's easier to read a cue sheet and access the inside of the main compartment. With a smaller bag it might be a little harder to access depending on your bar height. If you don't need the space on your handlebars for a computer or lights you could consider the Sackville BarSack. I'm not sure if it will affect the handling of your bike significantly but it seems a nice enough design and certainly easier to set up and remove from the bike. Good luck. Be sure to let us know what you go with. --mike- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Handlebar Bag on 60 cm Sam Hillborne
I'm using the Velo Orange Traditional Stem Mount Decaleur (http:// store.velo-orange.com/index.php/accessories/racks-decaleurs/decaleurs/ vo-traditional-stem-mount.html) with the largest model of the Berthoud handlebar bag (GB2886) and a Mark's Rack as the support on the bottom of the bag. The bike is a 1996 model 65cm Rivendell Road Standard. Here's a photo that shows the installation of the stem mount decaleur - http://www.flickr.com/photos/37964...@n05/3634095108/in/set-72157619758078965/. Its worked perfectly in my experience and I haven't had any problems with the installation. There have been some recent threads on another forum (i-BOB) concerning a friction fit not being sufficient to retain a handlebar bag to the decaleur (these included a classic French decaleur on a very pricey new Alex Singer Randonneur bike). The posters reported that their handlebar bags had been ejected from the rack of their bike, and they had run over the bag narrowly avoiding a nasty crash. One possible solution to this problem was developed by Peter Weigle, who certainly has plenty of experience building and riding these type of bikes! Here's a photo on Peter's Flickr photostream that shows the technique: http://www.flickr.com/photos/49353569(AT)N00/4971213280/in/photostream/ Note that the photo has note(s) that describe the solution. In the case of his application, he was able to dispense with a decaleur entirely, although he doesn't suggest this on a larger model handlebar bag such as the Berthoud GB2886. Jim Cloud On Dec 30, 11:06 am, MikeC mecinib...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Has anyone successfully mounted a classic handlebar bag with decaleur on a 60 cm Hillborne or other bike with a large drop from stem to top of fender? My Technomic Dlx is at the max exension. I have read poor stability is a potential issue with the integrated decaleur on the VO front rack. Anyone with experience with those and what bag did you use? I'm considering a midsize bag. -Mike C. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Handlebar Bag on 60 cm Sam Hillborne
On Fri, 2010-12-31 at 14:09 -0800, Jim Cloud wrote: I'm using the Velo Orange Traditional Stem Mount Decaleur (http:// store.velo-orange.com/index.php/accessories/racks-decaleurs/decaleurs/ vo-traditional-stem-mount.html) with the largest model of the Berthoud handlebar bag (GB2886) and a Mark's Rack as the support on the bottom of the bag. The bike is a 1996 model 65cm Rivendell Road Standard. Here's a photo that shows the installation of the stem mount decaleur - http://www.flickr.com/photos/37964...@n05/3634095108/in/set-72157619758078965/. Its worked perfectly in my experience and I haven't had any problems with the installation. There have been some recent threads on another forum (i-BOB) concerning a friction fit not being sufficient to retain a handlebar bag to the decaleur (these included a classic French decaleur on a very pricey new Alex Singer Randonneur bike). The posters reported that their handlebar bags had been ejected from the rack of their bike, and they had run over the bag narrowly avoiding a nasty crash. One possible solution to this problem was developed by Peter Weigle, who certainly has plenty of experience building and riding these type of bikes! Here's a photo on Peter's Flickr photostream that shows the technique: http://www.flickr.com/photos/49353569(AT)N00/4971213280/in/photostream/ Note that the photo has note(s) that describe the solution. In the case of his application, he was able to dispense with a decaleur entirely, although he doesn't suggest this on a larger model handlebar bag such as the Berthoud GB2886. I solved the problem once for all with a small strap - perhaps one supplied with one of the handlebar bags for a strap-on mount - that I wrap over the decaleur bar on the back of the bag and one of the arms of the decaleur mounted to the bike. Takes a second to attach, and it's absolutely rock solid, no way all all a bag can come off until the strap is unfastened. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Handlebar Bag on 60 cm Sam Hillborne
Sorry, the link to Peter Weigle's Flickr photo was corrupted in my initial post. Here's the correct link: http://www.flickr.com/photos/49353...@n00/4971213280/in/photostream/ Jim Cloud On Dec 31, 3:09 pm, Jim Cloud cloud...@aol.com wrote: I'm using the Velo Orange Traditional Stem Mount Decaleur (http:// store.velo-orange.com/index.php/accessories/racks-decaleurs/decaleurs/ vo-traditional-stem-mount.html) with the largest model of the Berthoud handlebar bag (GB2886) and a Mark's Rack as the support on the bottom of the bag. The bike is a 1996 model 65cm Rivendell Road Standard. Here's a photo that shows the installation of the stem mount decaleur -http://www.flickr.com/photos/37964...@n05/3634095108/in/set-721576197 Its worked perfectly in my experience and I haven't had any problems with the installation. There have been some recent threads on another forum (i-BOB) concerning a friction fit not being sufficient to retain a handlebar bag to the decaleur (these included a classic French decaleur on a very pricey new Alex Singer Randonneur bike). The posters reported that their handlebar bags had been ejected from the rack of their bike, and they had run over the bag narrowly avoiding a nasty crash. One possible solution to this problem was developed by Peter Weigle, who certainly has plenty of experience building and riding these type of bikes! Here's a photo on Peter's Flickr photostream that shows the technique:http://www.flickr.com/photos/49353569(AT)N00/4971213280/in/photostream/ Note that the photo has note(s) that describe the solution. In the case of his application, he was able to dispense with a decaleur entirely, although he doesn't suggest this on a larger model handlebar bag such as the Berthoud GB2886. Jim Cloud On Dec 30, 11:06 am, MikeC mecinib...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Has anyone successfully mounted a classic handlebar bag with decaleur on a 60 cm Hillborne or other bike with a large drop from stem to top of fender? My Technomic Dlx is at the max exension. I have read poor stability is a potential issue with the integrated decaleur on the VO front rack. Anyone with experience with those and what bag did you use? I'm considering a midsize bag. -Mike C. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Handlebar Bag on 60 cm Sam Hillborne
I have heard the siren song of the Berthoud bag and managed to resist. The main detractor for me is that the larger bag will look best with my 63 Roadeo, and then I would fill it, compulsively with stuff just becauce I had the space. I opted for the Acorn Hobo style bag and a Nitto light mount 2: http://www.flickr.com/photos/rperks1/4380585188/in/set-72157622875811028/ So far so good, I have other bags to add storage on the bike as needed. Camera, phone wallet and other quick on the bike typ ethings go in the front, the rest is in the middle or rear. The set up has not significantly hurt handling as far as I can detect. Rob - http://oceanaircycles.com/ On Dec 30, 10:06 am, MikeC mecinib...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Has anyone successfully mounted a classic handlebar bag with decaleur on a 60 cm Hillborne or other bike with a large drop from stem to top of fender? My Technomic Dlx is at the max exension. I have read poor stability is a potential issue with the integrated decaleur on the VO front rack. Anyone with experience with those and what bag did you use? I'm considering a midsize bag. -Mike C. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Handlebar Bag on 60 cm Sam Hillborne
On Fri, 2010-12-31 at 15:41 -0800, rperks wrote: The main detractor for me is that the larger bag will look best with my 63 Roadeo, and then I would fill it, compulsively with stuff just becauce I had the space. Don't be so sure. Many times I have nothing in my extra large size Berthoud except phone, glasses, car keys, tools and a couple of sandwiches. You need to size the bag to fit into the space between the rack and the decaleur, and in my case that means that only the GB28 size will do. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Handlebar Bag on 60 cm Sam Hillborne
If you go with the clamp on approach ( JP Weigle) and use P clips you need to use a smaller bag anyway for stability. I'm heading down that road myself. I like being able to remove the bag and not have a decaleur left hanging out there. That way you also don't have to worry about over filling it. Since I ride a 58-59cm bike the smaller bag seems OK.. Although Mr Weigle's bag looks fine and his bikes are 62ish ( I believe). ~Mike~ On Dec 31, 3:58 pm, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Fri, 2010-12-31 at 15:41 -0800, rperks wrote: The main detractor for me is that the larger bag will look best with my 63 Roadeo, and then I would fill it, compulsively with stuff just becauce I had the space. Don't be so sure. Many times I have nothing in my extra large size Berthoud except phone, glasses, car keys, tools and a couple of sandwiches. You need to size the bag to fit into the space between the rack and the decaleur, and in my case that means that only the GB28 size will do. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Handlebar Bag on 60 cm Sam Hillborne
I do something similar with my Ostrich bag and VO headset-mount decaleur. I loop an old toe strap over the decaleur attachment bar, and down through the loop at the back of the Nito M12. This pulls the decaleur down onto the supporting tubes and holds it very securely. It goes on in maybe 15 seconds, and comes off even faster. Without the strap I did have the bag eject once. Bill On Dec 31, 2:21 pm, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Fri, 2010-12-31 at 14:09 -0800, Jim Cloud wrote: I'm using the Velo Orange Traditional Stem Mount Decaleur (http:// store.velo-orange.com/index.php/accessories/racks-decaleurs/decaleurs/ vo-traditional-stem-mount.html) with the largest model of the Berthoud handlebar bag (GB2886) and a Mark's Rack as the support on the bottom of the bag. The bike is a 1996 model 65cm Rivendell Road Standard. Here's a photo that shows the installation of the stem mount decaleur -http://www.flickr.com/photos/37964...@n05/3634095108/in/set-721576197 Its worked perfectly in my experience and I haven't had any problems with the installation. There have been some recent threads on another forum (i-BOB) concerning a friction fit not being sufficient to retain a handlebar bag to the decaleur (these included a classic French decaleur on a very pricey new Alex Singer Randonneur bike). The posters reported that their handlebar bags had been ejected from the rack of their bike, and they had run over the bag narrowly avoiding a nasty crash. One possible solution to this problem was developed by Peter Weigle, who certainly has plenty of experience building and riding these type of bikes! Here's a photo on Peter's Flickr photostream that shows the technique: http://www.flickr.com/photos/49353569(AT)N00/4971213280/in/photostream/ Note that the photo has note(s) that describe the solution. In the case of his application, he was able to dispense with a decaleur entirely, although he doesn't suggest this on a larger model handlebar bag such as the Berthoud GB2886. I solved the problem once for all with a small strap - perhaps one supplied with one of the handlebar bags for a strap-on mount - that I wrap over the decaleur bar on the back of the bag and one of the arms of the decaleur mounted to the bike. Takes a second to attach, and it's absolutely rock solid, no way all all a bag can come off until the strap is unfastened. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Handlebar Bag on 60 cm Sam Hillborne
I agree with Steve on this. The selection of the Berthoud bag's size (height) is generally determined by the spacing, and it doesn't necessitate that the bag be completely filled! A large bag is, however, handy if you wish to carry something large but not especially heavy (it can easily be used to do some shopping for produce or such at a farmer's market, for example). The larger bag will also accommodate a light pullover or windjacket which can come in handy on a day's ride. Jim Cloud On Dec 31, 4:58 pm, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Fri, 2010-12-31 at 15:41 -0800, rperks wrote: The main detractor for me is that the larger bag will look best with my 63 Roadeo, and then I would fill it, compulsively with stuff just becauce I had the space. Don't be so sure. Many times I have nothing in my extra large size Berthoud except phone, glasses, car keys, tools and a couple of sandwiches. You need to size the bag to fit into the space between the rack and the decaleur, and in my case that means that only the GB28 size will do. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
