This Riv Sister is sitting here with stars in her eyes imagining this bike!
The update just made my morning. Waiting happily for the big reveal!
On Friday, February 2, 2024 at 1:22:43 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
> Only the RivSisters are allowed to read this update:
>
> Today, Rick emailed me
JOY!
On Fri, Feb 2, 2024 at 2:31 PM Bill Lindsay wrote:
> "Died. I have died over here. Am dead, currently."
>
> Homicide was the intent, so...
>
> BL in EC
>
> On Friday, February 2, 2024 at 1:35:05 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!
> wrote:
>
>> Died. I have died over here. Am dead,
I’m also a fan of pink bicycles, great choice!
Roman’s Legolas and the Jonny Cycles Big Pink are two of my favorites.
https://www.jonny-cycles.com/big-pink/
No doubt your custom will be added to my list of favorites. Looking forward
to all the photos.
Danny
Madison WI
On Fri, Feb 2, 2024 at
"Died. I have died over here. Am dead, currently."
Homicide was the intent, so...
BL in EC
On Friday, February 2, 2024 at 1:35:05 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!
wrote:
> Died. I have died over here. Am dead, currently.
>
> PINK? Pink and CREAM?! I love pink - all shades of it. I just
This is going to be the single most anticipated bike on this list (a
MASSIVE honor) in quite a while...
Edwin
On Friday, February 2, 2024 at 4:16:42 PM UTC-6 Doug H. wrote:
> I love Pink Floyd. Do I love pink bikes? Sure! Me thinks pink with black
> components would be slick. Can't wait
I love Pink Floyd. Do I love pink bikes? Sure! Me thinks pink with black
components would be slick. Can't wait until you can tell us RivBrothers
about the color. ;)
Doug
On Friday, February 2, 2024 at 4:35:05 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!
wrote:
> Died. I have died over here. Am dead,
I rarely pipe up but do qualify here and pink is one of my favorite colors. I can’t wait to see this one On Feb 2, 2024, at 13:35, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:Died. I have died over here. Am dead, currently. PINK? Pink and CREAM?! I love pink - all shades of it. I just yield to it. And
Died. I have died over here. Am dead, currently.
PINK? Pink and CREAM?! I love pink - all shades of it. I just *yield* to
it. And nothing goes better with pink than cream!!! Oh, I cannot wait to
see your new bike!!! SUPER APPROVE
On Friday, February 2, 2024 at 4:22:43 PM UTC-5 Bill
"Only the RivSisters get this early preview spoiler: My new Nobilette built
Canti-Roadeo is Pink. The frame and fork are Pink with Cream headtube and
That's what I'm talkin' about Bill. I'm here for it.
On Friday, February 2, 2024 at 1:22:43 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
> Only the
Only the RivSisters are allowed to read this update:
Today, Rick emailed me about the cream accents he is painting on my
color-matched aluminum fenders. As far as I can tell, that is the last of
the last details, which means New Frame Day may arrive before my 55th
birthday on Thursday the
I once had the idea of doing something similar to what Bill is doing -
sometime back in the 90's IIRC. I contacted the folks at Waterford to see
if I could get them to build me a Road Sport (similar to Riv's Roadeo) with
canti's instead of SP brakes, the main reason being to make it easier to
Hi Marty,
I recognized that bike, that was sooo long ago, when I was in my ' purty
bike projects' phase. That was a second hand single speed (path racer)
Rivendell didn't make many of those since few people asked for. It used to
be dark teal blue before I had my new paint scheme idea.
I ran
Paint and Custom fender color! You may be even outdoing your RivSisters
this time! I am so looking forward to your reveal day! (And also you may
have given at least some of us new ideas about where we can splash color on
our bikes... I learned something today)
On Thursday, December 7, 2023
Excited to see the big reveal when it happens
On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 1:21:06 PM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:
> Small update for the Sisters: Rick picked up my frame from Riv this week
> for paint
> Big update for the Sisters: I emailed Rick separately and he agreed to let
> me drop off
Small update for the Sisters: Rick picked up my frame from Riv this week
for paint
Big update for the Sisters: I emailed Rick separately and he agreed to let
me drop off my Rene Herse (Honjo) fenders to paint as well. I'm beyond
excited about that.
Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA
On Monday,
My next Riv will be a 57 or 59 Canti-Rom, or if they did a run of Canti Leo
Roadinis I'd buy one.
On Monday, December 4, 2023 at 6:03:41 PM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:
> In my experience I got sensational braking out of Campy Record brakes with
> Galli aero rims. They definitely had a different
In my experience I got sensational braking out of Campy Record brakes with
Galli aero rims. They definitely had a different finish to other rims, and
were probably the first I ever saw with a welded and smoothed seam. They
were great. The right rims can have a strong influence on braking
Max
I don't know what you mean by "lower BB". It's still a Rivendell Roadeo,
and it has normal Rivendell Roadeo geometry. It's not a custom. The
standard Roadeo geometry chart claims more BB drop in a 59cm than any of
the other sizes, because that's Grant's size and that's the way he likes
Sounds like a great idea, Bill! I really like the idea of a lower BB, what
with the fatter tires.
Any notes on how this will differ from the Ebisu All Purpose?
- Max
On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 1:20:20 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
> There are a number of threads on which I've mentioned a
It's my understanding that the CPSC mandated some kind of secondary
retention system, and Lawyer Lips eventually became the default. Please
correct me if I'm wrong. I've seen a few other types from bikes built in
the mid to late 80s. The best ones had little tabs attached to the axle
that
Ian, I really like the ergonomic shape of Campagnolo brifters, and I hate
brifters. Campy doesn't sell them as just brake levers, so I look for
deals on brifters and gut them of their shifting bits and use them as just
brake levers. For this build I have a choice between two sets of gutted
Man, I had to dig deeply into the aging memory banks for that one. I seem
to recall that I had two sets of wheels I used for the bike that had the
Record brakes. I believe that one set had Super Champion Arc-en-ciel (sp?)
tubular rims and another may have had Rigida wired-on's - can't recall
Bill, I'm intrigued by your DIY parts mods. I imagine adapting the headset
was relatively straightforward, but could you expand on the brake levers?
On Monday, December 4, 2023 at 12:54:46 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
> It's true that single pivot Campy brakes were not super powerful. How
>
It's true that single pivot Campy brakes were not super powerful. How many
different sets of rims did you use them with? When I settled on a favorite
rim, I thought the braking was quite good.
Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA
On Monday, December 4, 2023 at 7:37:51 AM UTC-8 George Schick wrote:
Kinda reminds me way back in the day when Campy Record single-pivot SP
brakes were considered to be the best of the best. It was mainly just name
dropping by people who wanted bikes with a high-end build - they had poor
stopping power. The people at Campagnolo countered that their brakes were
The build will have a color matched Nobilette stem and a Shimano headset
that I converted from threaded to threadless in my workshop. Rene Herse
cranks, brakes, fenders, front rack and pump will be present. The wheel
set is a fancy high tech HED Ardennes RA Black, which is supposed to give
Sarahlikebikes asked about the definition of "lawyer lips":
Quick release front wheels were designed to release quickly. You open the
lever and the wheel comes out. For people who didn't know how to operate a
QR lever, it was the responsibility of the bike shop to instruct people how
to use
Just tremendous. My ideal Riv road is similar to Bill's ideal Riv road.
Can't wait to see how this turns out.
Bill, any further teasers you want to share about the build?
Patch in NYC, but pretty soon in OAK, CA
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Okay, still learning the bike terms... but what are lawyer lips? Because
the image that comes to mind is someone who has indulged in too much botox
and fillers and I am sure that is not what we are talking about here...
On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 2:48:57 PM UTC-8 JohnS wrote:
> Hello Bill,
I have already let Leah know, and we will be holding our breath for the big
reveal wherever it shows up first. This is not even our first conversation
about bike colors today, and won't be the last... because that's how we
are. Your RivSisters are waiting!
On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at
Very nice Bill. Well worth the long wait. Thanks for sharing pics of the
raw frame.
Best,
Rich in ATL
On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 7:54:50 PM UTC-5 George Schick wrote:
> I'd say grind off the lawyer lips now before it gets painted.
>
> On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 4:48:57 PM UTC-6 JohnS
I'd say grind off the lawyer lips now before it gets painted.
On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 4:48:57 PM UTC-6 JohnS wrote:
> Hello Bill,
>
> The frame and fork look great! Love being able to see the craftmanship of
> the lugs and welds with out the paint in the way. It should be wonderful to
>
Hello Bill,
The frame and fork look great! Love being able to see the craftmanship of
the lugs and welds with out the paint in the way. It should be wonderful to
ride once it's done. As for "lawyer lips", I have to agree that they are
not my favorite. Lately my wife and I have been getting out
It's threadless.
Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA
On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 12:31:27 PM UTC-8 Eamon Nordquist wrote:
> Damn, Bill! That's going to be a dream bike. Maybe you've already covered
> this and I missed it, but I'm curious whether you went with a threaded or
> threadless fork?
>
John H asked questions:
How much fork rake do you have?? As much as a Roadeo has
How much BBD do you have?? Earlier you mentioned Grant used some extra
BBD, based on his Roadeo?It's not 80, because the Roadeo isn't intended
for 40+ mm tires. It's a little less than 80. If you seek out
Damn, Bill! That's going to be a dream bike. Maybe you've already covered
this and I missed it, but I'm curious whether you went with a threaded or
threadless fork?
Eamon
Seattle
On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 8:06:19 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
> Here is the Flickr album where I will post
The perfect bike!P. W.~(917) 514-2207~On Dec 3, 2023, at 8:06 AM, Bill Lindsay wrote:Here is the Flickr album where I will post my photos. https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72177720313109003/There are several shots of the raw frame set in there now. BL in ECOn Sunday, December
Bill
Nice photos of the frame. The fork rake looks very nice. A few questions
after reading all the posts:
How much fork rake do you have??
How much BBD do you have?? Earlier you mentioned Grant used some extra
BBD, based on his Roadeo?I thought 80mm was RBW standard BBD for 700C
My bad...rh was a choice but maybe Bill changed his mind
Pure fantasy...some Bruce Gordon ming the merciless cactus
Would be cool looking
On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 10:53:42 AM UTC-6 Ryan wrote:
> Brake choice is rh cantis.man even the raw frame is elegant
> You can see nobilettes fine
Brake choice is rh cantis.man even the raw frame is elegant
You can see nobilettes fine craftsmanship on display.
On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 10:15:50 AM UTC-6 Nikko in Oakland wrote:
> The seat stay bridge. The dropouts. 奈 Pretty rad. I can't wait to hear
> ride comparisons between this and
The seat stay bridge. The dropouts. 奈 Pretty rad. I can't wait to hear ride comparisons between this and the Legolas. Admittedly, I've been mentally dithering on re-raking my Legolas fork to make it chill out just a little bit and be possibly make it ride more like your canti-roadeo... but I
Here is the Flickr album where I will post my photos.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72177720313109003/
There are several shots of the raw frame set in there now.
BL in EC
On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 7:13:08 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
> I absolutely will be hoping
I absolutely will be hoping for RivSister approval of my color way. In my
convo with Grant, he asked to photograph a number of the projects I've been
working on or recently completed, like he may Blagh about it, and since
this Canti-Roa is a relatively unique thing, I was going to give them
I love seeing someone else's bike dream fulfilled! Congratulations on your
new bike day and what color did you paint your bike??! (I promise
you all your RivSisters want to know...)
On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 8:19:18 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
> Since starting this thread, I
Since starting this thread, I did spring for a fancy new wheel set that I'm
pretty excited about. I like the people and products at HED, and I
appreciate their vestigial commitment to rim brakes. They offer a premier
rim treatment called RA black. The rim is machined rough, and then hard
Gary, thanks, just over 12”, Ithought it looked taller, I just got a used
Waxwing bag that is 14”, I finally have the top of my bag level with my
bars, makes reading maps so mych easier.
Steven Sweedler
Plymouth, New Hampshire
On Sat, Dec 2, 2023 at 4:19 PM 'Gary L' via RBW Owners Bunch <
Hi Steven,
Thanks - the bag is a standard extra large Berthoud bag from Jan Heine’s
site. It’s about 31cm tall.
On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 4:47:40 PM UTC-5 Steven Sweedler wrote:
> Gary, very noce bike, is your bag also custom or a very tall model. How
> tall is it. Thanks,
>
>
>
Bill, You have an eclectic and wide ranging taste in bikes, and I am often
surprised by your choices. So I can’t wait to see where this one fits in
your spectrum of rides.
Greg
On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 6:45:33 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
> ...and 20 months later, it has arrived!
Can hardly wait to see it built up! Long wait but worth it I'm sure
On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 9:57:15 AM UTC-6 George Schick wrote:
> You gonna stick with the default red/white Roadeo color scheme or choose
> something else?
>
>
> On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 8:45:33 AM UTC-6 Bill
You gonna stick with the default red/white Roadeo color scheme or choose
something else?
On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 8:45:33 AM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:
> ...and 20 months later, it has arrived! Rivendell received my Cantilever
> Roadeo from Nobilette this week, and it's off to paint.
...and 20 months later, it has arrived! Rivendell received my Cantilever
Roadeo from Nobilette this week, and it's off to paint. I paid them a
visit and gave it a look over. It looks very nice and I'm eager to see it
painted, and built up.
On my visit I had a very nice chat with Grant
Sounds incredible, Bill! Looking forward to seeing the outcome.
On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 3:19:23 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
> George
>
> OK, I understand your point, but I disagree with it. The major difference
> I see between a road bike and a cyclocross bike is BB height (aka drop).
Just popping in to say I'm real excited about this - I can't have any more
bikes at the moment so I will live vicariously through others, and this
sounds rad.
On Wednesday, 6 April 2022 at 16:54:14 UTC-7 Eamon Nordquist wrote:
>
> That’s going to be quite a bike. It’s almost exactly what I
That’s going to be quite a bike. It’s almost exactly what I would ask for
if I had the dough. I’m excited, and it’s not even my bike!
Eamon
Seattle
On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 11:15:17 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
> John
>
> I will definitely run my current Roadeo wheelsets. 27mm
John
I will definitely run my current Roadeo wheelsets. 27mm tubulars. Rene
Herse Stampede Pass (622-32) and Bon Jon Pass (622-35). For kicks I'll
probably check how Barlow Passes look on the bike (622-38).
I don't plan on using fenders. I plan on being able to use fenders. I
don't
John, I thought Bill was ordering a custom, too...but it is actually the
Nobilette-built Roadeo. Which I have to admit, of the non-custom Riv
offerings, I find aesthetically very pleasing, if a classic road bike
floats your boat...it still floats mine.
On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 11:41:52
Bill
The canti-roadeo sounds great and I wish you the best of luck with it. The
rear brake bridge is smart idea for canti's or CPs. Well worth the cost to
eliminates the cable hanger and all of it's problems. I'd vote for red
with cream head tube, just think a darker main color looks best.
Can’t wait to see it!!
On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 1:06:18 AM UTC-4 Jeff B wrote:
> Bill,
>
> That sounds like an awesome bike! I've been thinking that if I could get
> Roadeo tubing on a frame like the Roadini with long chain stays and cant or
> center pull studs that would be a perfect
Bill,
That sounds like an awesome bike! I've been thinking that if I could get
Roadeo tubing on a frame like the Roadini with long chain stays and cant or
center pull studs that would be a perfect bike for me. All the other
options sound great too.
I look forward to seeing it built up.
JB,
Bill
I love the idea of a cantilever studded Rodeo. Will you be looking to
increase the tire clearance compared to the standard Rodeo?
IanA Alberta Canada
On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 11:20:20 AM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:
> There are a number of threads on which I've mentioned a desire to
Nikko asked about geometry nuances. The Legolas has a little steeper STA
and a little slacker HTA. The Legolas has a higher BB (less drop). The
Roadeo has a longer effective TT. The fork rake and chainstay length is
essentially the same. I downsize a race bike so I run a 57 Legolas and a
Toshi and Matt asked whether my new frameset will be a Roadeo or a
Rivendell Custom
Yes, it's a Roadeo. It is priced like a Roadeo, will have Roadeo graphics,
and is not a custom. I went to rivbike.com, put a 59cm Roadeo in my cart
and paid for it. Over email with Mark A, I specified a
I love that you're gonna have a Legolas and a canti-Roadeo. Other than the
bb drop, what are the main geometry differences between the two? The ST/HT
angle is more forward, correct? And they both will have different fork
rake?
Also, I think it's a solid choice for the tuxedo paint. That Sam is
Do what you want and don't get caught up with what others think. I imagine
when I put canti's on an early 70's Motobecane LeChampion, people thought I
was trying to make a cross/touring bike. I just really liked the bike and
wanted different brakes...and a small trunk sack up front.
Of
So this is a semi-custom canti-Roadeo and not a full custom? Threaded or
threadless? Can't wait to see it!
Toshi
On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 1:37 PM Bill Lindsay wrote:
> Mike
>
> You are right that there are gatekeepers. In this case, the gatekeepers
> are Grant and Mark A. Grant's main thing
Mike
You are right that there are gatekeepers. In this case, the gatekeepers
are Grant and Mark A. Grant's main thing is if you buy a Roadeo, and they
put Roadeo on it, it's got to be a Roadeo. I asked them about the concept
in principal back in 2020, and I was only like 60/40 that they
That sounds really neat Bill. I was always under the impression that a
canti-roa may not fly with gate keepers at Riv. But since it is a custom
from Riv and you are staying with the Riv design principles then it is go.
Can't wait to see it.
Mike SLO CA
On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 1:01:28 PM
Bill - sounds like the bottom line is that we basically agree with each
other, though coming at it from slightly different directions. Best of
luck on your new canti-roa build and be sure to let us all know how things
worked out in the end,
George
On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 2:53:33 PM
George Schick said "I'm not sure I quite agree with the "skitishness" of a
higher BB"
I didn't use the term "skitishness". I said "nervous" and "agile", which I
think is equivalent to what you are calling "lively" and "responsive".
We're talking about the same things. I notice the
Well,Bill, I'm excited for you and I'll be following along to see what the
finished bike looks like knowing how detail-oriented you are
On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 2:25:02 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
> Marty
>
> "Compatibility with red" is a nice-to-have feature: Corwin elected to sell
>
Bill - whoa! Now I can see where you're coming from on this build. Lots
of different things going on here. And I do understand about the
difference between BB heights on a typical cross bike and something like
the Roadeo (or the 8cm BB drop on my Ram for that matter). However, I'm
not sure
Marty
"Compatibility with red" is a nice-to-have feature: Corwin elected to sell
back the RED Chris King headset to me, and I have the red Fizik Arione
saddle also.
Silver with red could tie it all together.
Cream with red headtube is the classic Roadeo trademark color. It's what I
had,
George
OK, I understand your point, but I disagree with it. The major difference
I see between a road bike and a cyclocross bike is BB height (aka drop). A
cross bike with little drop has a higher BB, is more "nervous" aka
"agile". A road bike with more drop is more "planted" and "stable".
I like the idea Bill, and wholeheartedly APPROVE! Are you thinking cantis,
or v-brakes? Timing-wise the new Riv Vs might coincide with frame delivery.
I'm guessing drop bars? Back in my distant past (and before Riv) I had
canti bosses added to a Paramount I had custom built. That was a sweet
Bill - none of the above really. I just see the geometry of the Roadeo as
those of a typical "road" bike and, since those are the dimensions that
cross bikes also have, adding canti's to it makes it more or less seem like
a cross bike. No big deal about it at all, just an observation. Many
George Schick said it "sounds a lot like a cross bike"
Um...OK? What is the purpose of your comment? Are you recommending that I
put knobbies on my forthcoming Canti-Roadeo and race cross on it? Are you
recommending that I cancel my order and buy an off the shelf cyclocross
bike instead?
Bill - the canti-roadeo you envision sounds a lot like a cross bike.
On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 12:20:20 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
> There are a number of threads on which I've mentioned a desire to own a
> Nobilette-built Roadeo with cantilever posts. It came up in a thread about
> the
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