[RBW] Re: Oakland/Berkeley probability of theft?
In case it isn't obvious, I would strongly recommend a *compact* U- lock. My ex-g-friend's cheapo bright yellow Cannondale locked with a full-size Krypto was car-jacked in front of Rainbow Grocery in the Mission in broad daylight while she was inside for 15 minutes. Fortunately the lock broke the car-jack, which was still jammed in the lock when she came out, but her front rim got destroyed in the process. You can't fit a car-jack inside a compact U lock. I like the Soma compact u-lock in particular (http://store.somafab.com/ anlosy.html), as it is a tad bigger than the Krypto I used to have, but still fits in a jeans pocket. Also, when we had that Bic pen fiasco a few years back, and I only found out about it a few months later, Krypto basically said You're sh*t out of luck, free replacement period is over, go buy a new lock, while Soma did (and *still* does) sell you a new cross beam and new keys for $5! Won't buy another Krypto ever again. Another data point: 1995 Bianchi Veloce lugged racer stolen on SFCU campus while locked outside class room for one hour mid-day, plenty ped traffic, with a cable lock (Couldn't find the u-lock for several days; didn't happen on the first day. Shoulda just bought a new u- lock). The thieves were nasty enough to clean up after themselves, meaning they stole the presumably cut cable and my presumably undamaged heavy duty Krypto motorcycle disk lock with which I had secured the cable as well. :( Gernot Now in Chiang Mai, where I still use the Soma lock on the Sam, but use a $5 cable on my 1990 Fisher monster cross. On Nov 13, 2:19 pm, jose jose.cor...@gmail.com wrote: Ha! Thanks for all the info guys. I think I'll go with Sheldon's method for low security stops, and Lee's lock up method for longer/sketchier stops. The bike-link card for BART parking sounds interesting. That's a good point Lee made about Sheldon's method being susceptible to damage by the know-nothing crackhead though. Here's a picture of my bike at a coffee stop in Houston: http://www.flickr.com/photos/southgatephotos/4628678724/ I don't think that would be the best lock-up method to use here. :) On Nov 12, 3:31 pm, Lee leec...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe a This Bike is a Pipe Bomb sticker? On Nov 12, 3:27 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: Oh snap! That's genius right there. Like poison! Skull and bones! Who would steal that? A 'beware of dog' sign might even enhance it more. Or a this bike has a posse sticker. On Nov 12, 1:59 pm, John Bennett johnat...@gmail.com wrote: William, How right you are. Works wonders. Vaughn added a crudely painted skull and crossbones next to my name: Insurance. On Nov 12, 9:25 am, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: You should just follow Rivendell's own IRONCLAD security system. Just paint your name on a spot on the pavement. Park your bike unlocked on your claimed spot. Nobody will touch it. Nobody ever gets their bike stolen at Riv HQ. Why wouldn't that system work elsewhere? On Nov 11, 6:23 pm, Corwin ernf...@gmail.com wrote: You may think I am paranoid, but I would never use a U lock or a cable lock on a bike I am leaving outside. I see way too many broken u-locks and cut cables. Whenever possible, I use attended bike parking - we are very fortunate in the SF Bay Area to have several such facilities. If you frequent downtown Berkeley, you can get a smart card, enabling you to use the downtown Berkeley (or any other) Bikestation at the rate of one penny per hour. This is especially convenient if I am coming home after a concert, play movie, etc. and the attended parking area of the Bikestation is closed. The Bikestation has restrooms, lots of racks and several small lockers (for personal items other than bikes). When I take my bike to work, I park it in my office. When I there is no alternative but to park my bike outside, I use a Quadrachain together with a Mul-t-lock. This is a rather heavy solution, but is easily carried in my Burley Nomad. The Mul-t-lock is virtually unbeatable. Boron hasp, unpickable keyway, keyed like the rest of my Mul-t-locks. CZ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Oakland/Berkeley probability of theft?
I just use a couple of Irish straps to lock mine up. Works perfectly. http://www.flickr.com/photos/beardedpeter/4981513112/ On Nov 12, 11:19 pm, jose jose.cor...@gmail.com wrote: Ha! Thanks for all the info guys. I think I'll go with Sheldon's method for low security stops, and Lee's lock up method for longer/sketchier stops. The bike-link card for BART parking sounds interesting. That's a good point Lee made about Sheldon's method being susceptible to damage by the know-nothing crackhead though. Here's a picture of my bike at a coffee stop in Houston: http://www.flickr.com/photos/southgatephotos/4628678724/ I don't think that would be the best lock-up method to use here. :) On Nov 12, 3:31 pm, Lee leec...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe a This Bike is a Pipe Bomb sticker? On Nov 12, 3:27 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: Oh snap! That's genius right there. Like poison! Skull and bones! Who would steal that? A 'beware of dog' sign might even enhance it more. Or a this bike has a posse sticker. On Nov 12, 1:59 pm, John Bennett johnat...@gmail.com wrote: William, How right you are. Works wonders. Vaughn added a crudely painted skull and crossbones next to my name: Insurance. On Nov 12, 9:25 am, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: You should just follow Rivendell's own IRONCLAD security system. Just paint your name on a spot on the pavement. Park your bike unlocked on your claimed spot. Nobody will touch it. Nobody ever gets their bike stolen at Riv HQ. Why wouldn't that system work elsewhere? On Nov 11, 6:23 pm, Corwin ernf...@gmail.com wrote: You may think I am paranoid, but I would never use a U lock or a cable lock on a bike I am leaving outside. I see way too many broken u-locks and cut cables. Whenever possible, I use attended bike parking - we are very fortunate in the SF Bay Area to have several such facilities. If you frequent downtown Berkeley, you can get a smart card, enabling you to use the downtown Berkeley (or any other) Bikestation at the rate of one penny per hour. This is especially convenient if I am coming home after a concert, play movie, etc. and the attended parking area of the Bikestation is closed. The Bikestation has restrooms, lots of racks and several small lockers (for personal items other than bikes). When I take my bike to work, I park it in my office. When I there is no alternative but to park my bike outside, I use a Quadrachain together with a Mul-t-lock. This is a rather heavy solution, but is easily carried in my Burley Nomad. The Mul-t-lock is virtually unbeatable. Boron hasp, unpickable keyway, keyed like the rest of my Mul-t-locks. CZ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Oakland/Berkeley probability of theft?
Peter - your strategy looks insecure; you forgot to Irish strap the rear wheel. :) On Nov 13, 8:56 am, Peter Andrews beardedpe...@gmail.com wrote: I just use a couple of Irish straps to lock mine up. Works perfectly. http://www.flickr.com/photos/beardedpeter/4981513112/ On Nov 12, 11:19 pm, jose jose.cor...@gmail.com wrote: Ha! Thanks for all the info guys. I think I'll go with Sheldon's method for low security stops, and Lee's lock up method for longer/sketchier stops. The bike-link card for BART parking sounds interesting. That's a good point Lee made about Sheldon's method being susceptible to damage by the know-nothing crackhead though. Here's a picture of my bike at a coffee stop in Houston: http://www.flickr.com/photos/southgatephotos/4628678724/ I don't think that would be the best lock-up method to use here. :) On Nov 12, 3:31 pm, Lee leec...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe a This Bike is a Pipe Bomb sticker? On Nov 12, 3:27 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: Oh snap! That's genius right there. Like poison! Skull and bones! Who would steal that? A 'beware of dog' sign might even enhance it more. Or a this bike has a posse sticker. On Nov 12, 1:59 pm, John Bennett johnat...@gmail.com wrote: William, How right you are. Works wonders. Vaughn added a crudely painted skull and crossbones next to my name: Insurance. On Nov 12, 9:25 am, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: You should just follow Rivendell's own IRONCLAD security system. Just paint your name on a spot on the pavement. Park your bike unlocked on your claimed spot. Nobody will touch it. Nobody ever gets their bike stolen at Riv HQ. Why wouldn't that system work elsewhere? On Nov 11, 6:23 pm, Corwin ernf...@gmail.com wrote: You may think I am paranoid, but I would never use a U lock or a cable lock on a bike I am leaving outside. I see way too many broken u-locks and cut cables. Whenever possible, I use attended bike parking - we are very fortunate in the SF Bay Area to have several such facilities. If you frequent downtown Berkeley, you can get a smart card, enabling you to use the downtown Berkeley (or any other) Bikestation at the rate of one penny per hour. This is especially convenient if I am coming home after a concert, play movie, etc. and the attended parking area of the Bikestation is closed. The Bikestation has restrooms, lots of racks and several small lockers (for personal items other than bikes). When I take my bike to work, I park it in my office. When I there is no alternative but to park my bike outside, I use a Quadrachain together with a Mul-t-lock. This is a rather heavy solution, but is easily carried in my Burley Nomad. The Mul-t-lock is virtually unbeatable. Boron hasp, unpickable keyway, keyed like the rest of my Mul-t-locks. CZ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Oakland/Berkeley probability of theft?
Haha, you're funny... Wait a sec, where do you work? On Nov 13, 10:08 am, jose jose.cor...@gmail.com wrote: Peter - your strategy looks insecure; you forgot to Irish strap the rear wheel. :) On Nov 13, 8:56 am, Peter Andrews beardedpe...@gmail.com wrote: I just use a couple of Irish straps to lock mine up. Works perfectly. http://www.flickr.com/photos/beardedpeter/4981513112/ On Nov 12, 11:19 pm, jose jose.cor...@gmail.com wrote: Ha! Thanks for all the info guys. I think I'll go with Sheldon's method for low security stops, and Lee's lock up method for longer/sketchier stops. The bike-link card for BART parking sounds interesting. That's a good point Lee made about Sheldon's method being susceptible to damage by the know-nothing crackhead though. Here's a picture of my bike at a coffee stop in Houston: http://www.flickr.com/photos/southgatephotos/4628678724/ I don't think that would be the best lock-up method to use here. :) On Nov 12, 3:31 pm, Lee leec...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe a This Bike is a Pipe Bomb sticker? On Nov 12, 3:27 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: Oh snap! That's genius right there. Like poison! Skull and bones! Who would steal that? A 'beware of dog' sign might even enhance it more. Or a this bike has a posse sticker. On Nov 12, 1:59 pm, John Bennett johnat...@gmail.com wrote: William, How right you are. Works wonders. Vaughn added a crudely painted skull and crossbones next to my name: Insurance. On Nov 12, 9:25 am, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: You should just follow Rivendell's own IRONCLAD security system. Just paint your name on a spot on the pavement. Park your bike unlocked on your claimed spot. Nobody will touch it. Nobody ever gets their bike stolen at Riv HQ. Why wouldn't that system work elsewhere? On Nov 11, 6:23 pm, Corwin ernf...@gmail.com wrote: You may think I am paranoid, but I would never use a U lock or a cable lock on a bike I am leaving outside. I see way too many broken u-locks and cut cables. Whenever possible, I use attended bike parking - we are very fortunate in the SF Bay Area to have several such facilities. If you frequent downtown Berkeley, you can get a smart card, enabling you to use the downtown Berkeley (or any other) Bikestation at the rate of one penny per hour. This is especially convenient if I am coming home after a concert, play movie, etc. and the attended parking area of the Bikestation is closed. The Bikestation has restrooms, lots of racks and several small lockers (for personal items other than bikes). When I take my bike to work, I park it in my office. When I there is no alternative but to park my bike outside, I use a Quadrachain together with a Mul-t-lock. This is a rather heavy solution, but is easily carried in my Burley Nomad. The Mul-t-lock is virtually unbeatable. Boron hasp, unpickable keyway, keyed like the rest of my Mul-t-locks. CZ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Oakland/Berkeley probability of theft?
You should just follow Rivendell's own IRONCLAD security system. Just paint your name on a spot on the pavement. Park your bike unlocked on your claimed spot. Nobody will touch it. Nobody ever gets their bike stolen at Riv HQ. Why wouldn't that system work elsewhere? On Nov 11, 6:23 pm, Corwin ernf...@gmail.com wrote: You may think I am paranoid, but I would never use a U lock or a cable lock on a bike I am leaving outside. I see way too many broken u-locks and cut cables. Whenever possible, I use attended bike parking - we are very fortunate in the SF Bay Area to have several such facilities. If you frequent downtown Berkeley, you can get a smart card, enabling you to use the downtown Berkeley (or any other) Bikestation at the rate of one penny per hour. This is especially convenient if I am coming home after a concert, play movie, etc. and the attended parking area of the Bikestation is closed. The Bikestation has restrooms, lots of racks and several small lockers (for personal items other than bikes). When I take my bike to work, I park it in my office. When I there is no alternative but to park my bike outside, I use a Quadrachain together with a Mul-t-lock. This is a rather heavy solution, but is easily carried in my Burley Nomad. The Mul-t-lock is virtually unbeatable. Boron hasp, unpickable keyway, keyed like the rest of my Mul-t-locks. CZ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Oakland/Berkeley probability of theft?
hey, regardless of your lock setup, keep riding your riv daily! it likes it! On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 9:25 AM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: You should just follow Rivendell's own IRONCLAD security system. Just paint your name on a spot on the pavement. Park your bike unlocked on your claimed spot. Nobody will touch it. Nobody ever gets their bike stolen at Riv HQ. Why wouldn't that system work elsewhere? On Nov 11, 6:23 pm, Corwin ernf...@gmail.com wrote: You may think I am paranoid, but I would never use a U lock or a cable lock on a bike I am leaving outside. I see way too many broken u-locks and cut cables. Whenever possible, I use attended bike parking - we are very fortunate in the SF Bay Area to have several such facilities. If you frequent downtown Berkeley, you can get a smart card, enabling you to use the downtown Berkeley (or any other) Bikestation at the rate of one penny per hour. This is especially convenient if I am coming home after a concert, play movie, etc. and the attended parking area of the Bikestation is closed. The Bikestation has restrooms, lots of racks and several small lockers (for personal items other than bikes). When I take my bike to work, I park it in my office. When I there is no alternative but to park my bike outside, I use a Quadrachain together with a Mul-t-lock. This is a rather heavy solution, but is easily carried in my Burley Nomad. The Mul-t-lock is virtually unbeatable. Boron hasp, unpickable keyway, keyed like the rest of my Mul-t-locks. CZ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- oakland, ca bikenoir.blogspot.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Oakland/Berkeley probability of theft?
On Nov 10, 11:00 pm, jose jose.cor...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All. I just moved to Oakland (Rockridge) from Houston and I'm curious what peoples opinions are parking your Rivs here are. In Houston, I felt fairly comfortable with locking up my Atlantis with bags/lights/brooks onboard with just a cable lock during the day. No one there pays too much attention to an old looking slow bike with a bunch of crap on it (ha!). Here I see only beater-bikes with no bags/lights/brooks parked on the street. So I'm wondering how secure I should go. Never leave lights on the bike? Cover up the Rivendell logos? Get one of those locking seat post clamp things? I realize that no bike on the street is ever safe, but I'd like get a sense of what the probability of getting my stuff jacked here is. Oh, and I'm asking for during the day coffee and errand type trips. For BART parking and late-night pub crawls I just bought a $50 craigslist special, but I would really like to be on my Atlantis as much as I can be. Thanks in advance, -- J. I live about 6 blocks west of you in Temescal and I NEVER leave my bike anywhere out of my sight. Period. Theft in the area is oppurtunistic, not highly organized. But it very definately exists. There's a bike shop on Telegraph that serves as a fence for stolen bikes and he's always got lots of bikes. Sadly Oakland is the crime capitol of the East Bay due in large part to the inaction of the police. They will not even take a report on stolen property. Berkeley, just to the north, is a completely different story. Go figure. Phil Brown -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Oakland/Berkeley probability of theft?
William, How right you are. Works wonders. Vaughn added a crudely painted skull and crossbones next to my name: Insurance. On Nov 12, 9:25 am, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: You should just follow Rivendell's own IRONCLAD security system. Just paint your name on a spot on the pavement. Park your bike unlocked on your claimed spot. Nobody will touch it. Nobody ever gets their bike stolen at Riv HQ. Why wouldn't that system work elsewhere? On Nov 11, 6:23 pm, Corwin ernf...@gmail.com wrote: You may think I am paranoid, but I would never use a U lock or a cable lock on a bike I am leaving outside. I see way too many broken u-locks and cut cables. Whenever possible, I use attended bike parking - we are very fortunate in the SF Bay Area to have several such facilities. If you frequent downtown Berkeley, you can get a smart card, enabling you to use the downtown Berkeley (or any other) Bikestation at the rate of one penny per hour. This is especially convenient if I am coming home after a concert, play movie, etc. and the attended parking area of the Bikestation is closed. The Bikestation has restrooms, lots of racks and several small lockers (for personal items other than bikes). When I take my bike to work, I park it in my office. When I there is no alternative but to park my bike outside, I use a Quadrachain together with a Mul-t-lock. This is a rather heavy solution, but is easily carried in my Burley Nomad. The Mul-t-lock is virtually unbeatable. Boron hasp, unpickable keyway, keyed like the rest of my Mul-t-locks. CZ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Oakland/Berkeley probability of theft?
I've been lucky, commuting as I did on a custom Riv. In my last 3 office jobs (I've been working at home for the last 2 1/2 years) I had, at least, inside-office parking and, at the earlier two, I even had a little closet built for me with room to hang sweaty bike clothes. In one job they gave me an entire empty office to spread my stuff around in. Of course, parking in an office has its drawbacks: you have to move out extra furniture, as a second chair for clients, to make sure that your bike has ample elbow room; and I was obliged to thumb-tack a piece of cardboard to the wall where my bar rested against it, to protect it against abrasion (the bar, not the wall). I also laid down a piece of cardboard for those times when I did maintenance work in the office -- to keep the chain off the dirty rug. (Boss: Patrick: Come here! I need you! Me: Dammit! Just wait! Can't you see I'm cleaning my chain? Sotto voce: People! No consideration!) On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 9:38 AM, Ray Shine r.sh...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Jose -- I sort of agree with Kevin. When commuting, is your company/boss cool with locking the bike inside the building somewhere? My employer has an entire locked cage in the garage that accommodates about 200 bikes. There is also 24/7 camera surveillance. Entry is by swipe card ID, and that entry is archived. That said, it's true you must know the turf you are on and lock accordingly. That will take some time to get that sense of place. I live in SF, and if I worked or lived in the Mission, I'd have a more cautious eye. There are so many cyclists in that part of SF that there are many who would know the true value of an Atlantis. In other areas, an Atlantis might look like something too old and retro to be worth the effort. It's true that U-locks are better than cables, but I have been using the cable lock the RBW sells and am quite comfortable with it. If there is a bright side to becoming a bike theft victim it's that now, since your move from Texas, you are only a 15-minute BART ride from Rivendell in Walnut Creek to pick out your replacement! (Oh, and yes, there is an abundance of great bike riding in the Bay Area. Ping me off-list if you need any recommendations.) From: kevin lindsey lindsey.ke...@gmail.com To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Thu, November 11, 2010 6:40:03 AM Subject: [RBW] Re: Oakland/Berkeley probability of theft? Jose - Do you have to leave your Riv outside? I commute daily with my Bleriot and simply park it in the cubicle with me. Things sometimes get a bit cramped, but at least I know where my bike and components are at all times. One of the nice things about living in California is that most employers here are used to a more bike-ish culture. Whereas I wouldn't have dreamed of wheeling my Riv into my northern Virginia office, no one my San Jose digs even blinks an eye. Any chance this could be an option for you? Kevin On Nov 10, 11:00 pm, jose jose.cor...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All. I just moved to Oakland (Rockridge) from Houston and I'm curious what peoples opinions are parking your Rivs here are. In Houston, I felt fairly comfortable with locking up my Atlantis with bags/lights/brooks onboard with just a cable lock during the day. No one there pays too much attention to an old looking slow bike with a bunch of crap on it (ha!). Here I see only beater-bikes with no bags/lights/brooks parked on the street. So I'm wondering how secure I should go. Never leave lights on the bike? Cover up the Rivendell logos? Get one of those locking seat post clamp things? I realize that no bike on the street is ever safe, but I'd like get a sense of what the probability of getting my stuff jacked here is. Oh, and I'm asking for during the day coffee and errand type trips. For BART parking and late-night pub crawls I just bought a $50 craigslist special, but I would really like to be on my Atlantis as much as I can be. Thanks in advance, -- J. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
[RBW] Re: Oakland/Berkeley probability of theft?
Maybe a This Bike is a Pipe Bomb sticker? On Nov 12, 3:27 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: Oh snap! That's genius right there. Like poison! Skull and bones! Who would steal that? A 'beware of dog' sign might even enhance it more. Or a this bike has a posse sticker. On Nov 12, 1:59 pm, John Bennett johnat...@gmail.com wrote: William, How right you are. Works wonders. Vaughn added a crudely painted skull and crossbones next to my name: Insurance. On Nov 12, 9:25 am, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: You should just follow Rivendell's own IRONCLAD security system. Just paint your name on a spot on the pavement. Park your bike unlocked on your claimed spot. Nobody will touch it. Nobody ever gets their bike stolen at Riv HQ. Why wouldn't that system work elsewhere? On Nov 11, 6:23 pm, Corwin ernf...@gmail.com wrote: You may think I am paranoid, but I would never use a U lock or a cable lock on a bike I am leaving outside. I see way too many broken u-locks and cut cables. Whenever possible, I use attended bike parking - we are very fortunate in the SF Bay Area to have several such facilities. If you frequent downtown Berkeley, you can get a smart card, enabling you to use the downtown Berkeley (or any other) Bikestation at the rate of one penny per hour. This is especially convenient if I am coming home after a concert, play movie, etc. and the attended parking area of the Bikestation is closed. The Bikestation has restrooms, lots of racks and several small lockers (for personal items other than bikes). When I take my bike to work, I park it in my office. When I there is no alternative but to park my bike outside, I use a Quadrachain together with a Mul-t-lock. This is a rather heavy solution, but is easily carried in my Burley Nomad. The Mul-t-lock is virtually unbeatable. Boron hasp, unpickable keyway, keyed like the rest of my Mul-t-locks. CZ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Oakland/Berkeley probability of theft?
Ha! Thanks for all the info guys. I think I'll go with Sheldon's method for low security stops, and Lee's lock up method for longer/sketchier stops. The bike-link card for BART parking sounds interesting. That's a good point Lee made about Sheldon's method being susceptible to damage by the know-nothing crackhead though. Here's a picture of my bike at a coffee stop in Houston: http://www.flickr.com/photos/southgatephotos/4628678724/ I don't think that would be the best lock-up method to use here. :) On Nov 12, 3:31 pm, Lee leec...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe a This Bike is a Pipe Bomb sticker? On Nov 12, 3:27 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: Oh snap! That's genius right there. Like poison! Skull and bones! Who would steal that? A 'beware of dog' sign might even enhance it more. Or a this bike has a posse sticker. On Nov 12, 1:59 pm, John Bennett johnat...@gmail.com wrote: William, How right you are. Works wonders. Vaughn added a crudely painted skull and crossbones next to my name: Insurance. On Nov 12, 9:25 am, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: You should just follow Rivendell's own IRONCLAD security system. Just paint your name on a spot on the pavement. Park your bike unlocked on your claimed spot. Nobody will touch it. Nobody ever gets their bike stolen at Riv HQ. Why wouldn't that system work elsewhere? On Nov 11, 6:23 pm, Corwin ernf...@gmail.com wrote: You may think I am paranoid, but I would never use a U lock or a cable lock on a bike I am leaving outside. I see way too many broken u-locks and cut cables. Whenever possible, I use attended bike parking - we are very fortunate in the SF Bay Area to have several such facilities. If you frequent downtown Berkeley, you can get a smart card, enabling you to use the downtown Berkeley (or any other) Bikestation at the rate of one penny per hour. This is especially convenient if I am coming home after a concert, play movie, etc. and the attended parking area of the Bikestation is closed. The Bikestation has restrooms, lots of racks and several small lockers (for personal items other than bikes). When I take my bike to work, I park it in my office. When I there is no alternative but to park my bike outside, I use a Quadrachain together with a Mul-t-lock. This is a rather heavy solution, but is easily carried in my Burley Nomad. The Mul-t-lock is virtually unbeatable. Boron hasp, unpickable keyway, keyed like the rest of my Mul-t-locks. CZ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Oakland/Berkeley probability of theft?
hey, i don't live in the east bay, but do live in brooklyn new york. i lock up my bikes frequently. for commuting i only use baskets, with tote type bags, and remove them from the bike when i go in someplace. the racks stay, but i use two u locks, and a long cable. one long u lock will do my front wheel and frame to whatever i am locking to , and i use a mini lock to do my rear wheel, and use the cable to weave through my rack, and seat. its kind of a pain, but i have the space. i also made sure my renters insurance covers bike replacement if stolen. On Nov 11, 2:39 am, Lee leec...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Jose. I live in San Francisco and frequent the East and South Bay areas regularly. Here's my two cents: Definitely do not rely on a cable lock in the Bay Area. Of course, thieves will target high-end bikes and components, but I think even more so, they target weak locks--cable locks in particular. Ironically, in this way, cable locks act as an attractant in my opinion, regardless of the bike. On any given weekend morning I can walk the streets near my apartment and find part of a cable lock on the sidewalk or in the gutter. I ride my Quickbeam as my daily bike, and I do lock it up outside during the work day, as well as out in the city during the weekend and nights. It's outfitted with a B-17 Special and either a Phil hub or Shimano dynamo hub front wheel. In the latter case, I'll also have a BM Cyo mounted to a small front rack. And, I usually have a tool pouch hung from the saddle and a SuperFlash mounted on the seat stay. My locking solution is a heavy cable through both wheels and the saddle rails, which is then locked along with the frame to a bike rack with a Kryptonite u-lock. I think it's the Evolution. I usually take my tool pouch if it's night. During the day, depending on the area, I may leave it on my bike. I always leave the SuperFlash and Cyo on my bike regardless of time or place. The only thing I feel really secure about this set-up is the frame and u-lock situation. I take my chances with the heavy cable, hoping that a bike thief won't try to get through that just to get my Brooks or a Phil hub. One thing that works in my favor is the number of nicely accessorized bikes that have become so popular in the city right now. Go to any bar, coffee shop, or yoga studio in the Mission and you'll have your pick of non-secured Brooks saddles and Phil wheels. But, this is no real security solution, obviously. I guess this is a long-winded way of saying that your instincts are right, a cable-lock-only approach is likely to be a problem. I don't think you have to cover up the logo, but lock down with a u-lock anything you don't won't to risk being taken, and remove any item you positively don't want to be stolen. Other than that, you weigh the risks and take your chances. Of course, that advice probably fits most urban areas. For this one, I think after a month or two of being out and about, you'll find your comfort zone in the areas you frequent. Good luck! Lee On Nov 10, 11:00 pm, jose jose.cor...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All. I just moved to Oakland (Rockridge) from Houston and I'm curious what peoples opinions are parking your Rivs here are. In Houston, I felt fairly comfortable with locking up my Atlantis with bags/lights/brooks onboard with just a cable lock during the day. No one there pays too much attention to an old looking slow bike with a bunch of crap on it (ha!). Here I see only beater-bikes with no bags/lights/brooks parked on the street. So I'm wondering how secure I should go. Never leave lights on the bike? Cover up the Rivendell logos? Get one of those locking seat post clamp things? I realize that no bike on the street is ever safe, but I'd like get a sense of what the probability of getting my stuff jacked here is. Oh, and I'm asking for during the day coffee and errand type trips. For BART parking and late-night pub crawls I just bought a $50 craigslist special, but I would really like to be on my Atlantis as much as I can be. Thanks in advance, -- J. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Oakland/Berkeley probability of theft?
Jose - Do you have to leave your Riv outside? I commute daily with my Bleriot and simply park it in the cubicle with me. Things sometimes get a bit cramped, but at least I know where my bike and components are at all times. One of the nice things about living in California is that most employers here are used to a more bike-ish culture. Whereas I wouldn't have dreamed of wheeling my Riv into my northern Virginia office, no one my San Jose digs even blinks an eye. Any chance this could be an option for you? Kevin On Nov 10, 11:00 pm, jose jose.cor...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All. I just moved to Oakland (Rockridge) from Houston and I'm curious what peoples opinions are parking your Rivs here are. In Houston, I felt fairly comfortable with locking up my Atlantis with bags/lights/brooks onboard with just a cable lock during the day. No one there pays too much attention to an old looking slow bike with a bunch of crap on it (ha!). Here I see only beater-bikes with no bags/lights/brooks parked on the street. So I'm wondering how secure I should go. Never leave lights on the bike? Cover up the Rivendell logos? Get one of those locking seat post clamp things? I realize that no bike on the street is ever safe, but I'd like get a sense of what the probability of getting my stuff jacked here is. Oh, and I'm asking for during the day coffee and errand type trips. For BART parking and late-night pub crawls I just bought a $50 craigslist special, but I would really like to be on my Atlantis as much as I can be. Thanks in advance, -- J. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Oakland/Berkeley probability of theft?
I live in Berkeley and lock up my Hillborne often in the area. My policies change depending on the location of lock up as well as my instincts at the time. The other day I locked my Hillborne up in front of Berkeley Bowl. I took off the front wheel to secure both wheels and the frame inside my U-lock. I removed my saddle bag plus handlebar bag and also have a seat post lock for my brooks. When I emerged to unlock my bike with groceries in hand, an Atlantis had arrived next to mine, its owner inside. It had a u-lock around the frame with wheels cabled, saddle bag in place, and brooks left unlocked. Made me feel a bit over- cautious, but I tend to trust my gut. My main advice is to be intentional in choosing where you lock your ride. High visibility to me is one of the most secure aspects of locking up the steed. If you're looking for some good rides in the are drop me a line. We're pretty blessed. Cheers, Adam On Nov 10, 11:00 pm, jose jose.cor...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All. I just moved to Oakland (Rockridge) from Houston and I'm curious what peoples opinions are parking your Rivs here are. In Houston, I felt fairly comfortable with locking up my Atlantis with bags/lights/brooks onboard with just a cable lock during the day. No one there pays too much attention to an old looking slow bike with a bunch of crap on it (ha!). Here I see only beater-bikes with no bags/lights/brooks parked on the street. So I'm wondering how secure I should go. Never leave lights on the bike? Cover up the Rivendell logos? Get one of those locking seat post clamp things? I realize that no bike on the street is ever safe, but I'd like get a sense of what the probability of getting my stuff jacked here is. Oh, and I'm asking for during the day coffee and errand type trips. For BART parking and late-night pub crawls I just bought a $50 craigslist special, but I would really like to be on my Atlantis as much as I can be. Thanks in advance, -- J. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Oakland/Berkeley probability of theft?
Jose -- I sort of agree with Kevin. When commuting, is your company/boss cool with locking the bike inside the building somewhere? My employer has an entire locked cage in the garage that accommodates about 200 bikes. There is also 24/7 camera surveillance. Entry is by swipe card ID, and that entry is archived. That said, it's true you must know the turf you are on and lock accordingly. That will take some time to get that sense of place. I live in SF, and if I worked or lived in the Mission, I'd have a more cautious eye. There are so many cyclists in that part of SF that there are many who would know the true value of an Atlantis. In other areas, an Atlantis might look like something too old and retro to be worth the effort. It's true that U-locks are better than cables, but I have been using the cable lock the RBW sells and am quite comfortable with it. If there is a bright side to becoming a bike theft victim it's that now, since your move from Texas, you are only a 15-minute BART ride from Rivendell in Walnut Creek to pick out your replacement! (Oh, and yes, there is an abundance of great bike riding in the Bay Area. Ping me off-list if you need any recommendations.) From: kevin lindsey lindsey.ke...@gmail.com To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Thu, November 11, 2010 6:40:03 AM Subject: [RBW] Re: Oakland/Berkeley probability of theft? Jose - Do you have to leave your Riv outside? I commute daily with my Bleriot and simply park it in the cubicle with me. Things sometimes get a bit cramped, but at least I know where my bike and components are at all times. One of the nice things about living in California is that most employers here are used to a more bike-ish culture. Whereas I wouldn't have dreamed of wheeling my Riv into my northern Virginia office, no one my San Jose digs even blinks an eye. Any chance this could be an option for you? Kevin On Nov 10, 11:00 pm, jose jose.cor...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All. I just moved to Oakland (Rockridge) from Houston and I'm curious what peoples opinions are parking your Rivs here are. In Houston, I felt fairly comfortable with locking up my Atlantis with bags/lights/brooks onboard with just a cable lock during the day. No one there pays too much attention to an old looking slow bike with a bunch of crap on it (ha!). Here I see only beater-bikes with no bags/lights/brooks parked on the street. So I'm wondering how secure I should go. Never leave lights on the bike? Cover up the Rivendell logos? Get one of those locking seat post clamp things? I realize that no bike on the street is ever safe, but I'd like get a sense of what the probability of getting my stuff jacked here is. Oh, and I'm asking for during the day coffee and errand type trips. For BART parking and late-night pub crawls I just bought a $50 craigslist special, but I would really like to be on my Atlantis as much as I can be. Thanks in advance, -- J. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Oakland/Berkeley probability of theft?
Just to follow-up, I took some pics of my locked up QB outside of my lab. Note that my workplace is secluded, remote, and well-trafficked by people, and it's on a pretty secluded campus with hundreds of barely locked bikes everywhere. So, my work lock and cable are less beefy than their counterparts at home, which I use when running around San Francisco. The pics: http://tinyurl.com/286ywhb http://tinyurl.com/2bymylj Best, Lee On Nov 10, 11:39 pm, Lee leec...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Jose. I live in San Francisco and frequent the East and South Bay areas regularly. Here's my two cents: Definitely do not rely on a cable lock in the Bay Area. Of course, thieves will target high-end bikes and components, but I think even more so, they target weak locks--cable locks in particular. Ironically, in this way, cable locks act as an attractant in my opinion, regardless of the bike. On any given weekend morning I can walk the streets near my apartment and find part of a cable lock on the sidewalk or in the gutter. I ride my Quickbeam as my daily bike, and I do lock it up outside during the work day, as well as out in the city during the weekend and nights. It's outfitted with a B-17 Special and either a Phil hub or Shimano dynamo hub front wheel. In the latter case, I'll also have a BM Cyo mounted to a small front rack. And, I usually have a tool pouch hung from the saddle and a SuperFlash mounted on the seat stay. My locking solution is a heavy cable through both wheels and the saddle rails, which is then locked along with the frame to a bike rack with a Kryptonite u-lock. I think it's the Evolution. I usually take my tool pouch if it's night. During the day, depending on the area, I may leave it on my bike. I always leave the SuperFlash and Cyo on my bike regardless of time or place. The only thing I feel really secure about this set-up is the frame and u-lock situation. I take my chances with the heavy cable, hoping that a bike thief won't try to get through that just to get my Brooks or a Phil hub. One thing that works in my favor is the number of nicely accessorized bikes that have become so popular in the city right now. Go to any bar, coffee shop, or yoga studio in the Mission and you'll have your pick of non-secured Brooks saddles and Phil wheels. But, this is no real security solution, obviously. I guess this is a long-winded way of saying that your instincts are right, a cable-lock-only approach is likely to be a problem. I don't think you have to cover up the logo, but lock down with a u-lock anything you don't won't to risk being taken, and remove any item you positively don't want to be stolen. Other than that, you weigh the risks and take your chances. Of course, that advice probably fits most urban areas. For this one, I think after a month or two of being out and about, you'll find your comfort zone in the areas you frequent. Good luck! Lee On Nov 10, 11:00 pm, jose jose.cor...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All. I just moved to Oakland (Rockridge) from Houston and I'm curious what peoples opinions are parking your Rivs here are. In Houston, I felt fairly comfortable with locking up my Atlantis with bags/lights/brooks onboard with just a cable lock during the day. No one there pays too much attention to an old looking slow bike with a bunch of crap on it (ha!). Here I see only beater-bikes with no bags/lights/brooks parked on the street. So I'm wondering how secure I should go. Never leave lights on the bike? Cover up the Rivendell logos? Get one of those locking seat post clamp things? I realize that no bike on the street is ever safe, but I'd like get a sense of what the probability of getting my stuff jacked here is. Oh, and I'm asking for during the day coffee and errand type trips. For BART parking and late-night pub crawls I just bought a $50 craigslist special, but I would really like to be on my Atlantis as much as I can be. Thanks in advance, -- J. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Oakland/Berkeley probability of theft?
Lee, what are your thoughts on the seat tube lock point vs. rear wheel lock point (aka Sheldon techniquehttp://www.sheldonbrown.com/lock-strategy.html)? I typically do the Sheldon, but have always wondered if it's good enough... On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 9:14 AM, Lee leec...@gmail.com wrote: Just to follow-up, I took some pics of my locked up QB outside of my lab. Note that my workplace is secluded, remote, and well-trafficked by people, and it's on a pretty secluded campus with hundreds of barely locked bikes everywhere. So, my work lock and cable are less beefy than their counterparts at home, which I use when running around San Francisco. The pics: http://tinyurl.com/286ywhb http://tinyurl.com/2bymylj Best, Lee On Nov 10, 11:39 pm, Lee leec...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Jose. I live in San Francisco and frequent the East and South Bay areas regularly. Here's my two cents: Definitely do not rely on a cable lock in the Bay Area. Of course, thieves will target high-end bikes and components, but I think even more so, they target weak locks--cable locks in particular. Ironically, in this way, cable locks act as an attractant in my opinion, regardless of the bike. On any given weekend morning I can walk the streets near my apartment and find part of a cable lock on the sidewalk or in the gutter. I ride my Quickbeam as my daily bike, and I do lock it up outside during the work day, as well as out in the city during the weekend and nights. It's outfitted with a B-17 Special and either a Phil hub or Shimano dynamo hub front wheel. In the latter case, I'll also have a BM Cyo mounted to a small front rack. And, I usually have a tool pouch hung from the saddle and a SuperFlash mounted on the seat stay. My locking solution is a heavy cable through both wheels and the saddle rails, which is then locked along with the frame to a bike rack with a Kryptonite u-lock. I think it's the Evolution. I usually take my tool pouch if it's night. During the day, depending on the area, I may leave it on my bike. I always leave the SuperFlash and Cyo on my bike regardless of time or place. The only thing I feel really secure about this set-up is the frame and u-lock situation. I take my chances with the heavy cable, hoping that a bike thief won't try to get through that just to get my Brooks or a Phil hub. One thing that works in my favor is the number of nicely accessorized bikes that have become so popular in the city right now. Go to any bar, coffee shop, or yoga studio in the Mission and you'll have your pick of non-secured Brooks saddles and Phil wheels. But, this is no real security solution, obviously. I guess this is a long-winded way of saying that your instincts are right, a cable-lock-only approach is likely to be a problem. I don't think you have to cover up the logo, but lock down with a u-lock anything you don't won't to risk being taken, and remove any item you positively don't want to be stolen. Other than that, you weigh the risks and take your chances. Of course, that advice probably fits most urban areas. For this one, I think after a month or two of being out and about, you'll find your comfort zone in the areas you frequent. Good luck! Lee On Nov 10, 11:00 pm, jose jose.cor...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All. I just moved to Oakland (Rockridge) from Houston and I'm curious what peoples opinions are parking your Rivs here are. In Houston, I felt fairly comfortable with locking up my Atlantis with bags/lights/brooks onboard with just a cable lock during the day. No one there pays too much attention to an old looking slow bike with a bunch of crap on it (ha!). Here I see only beater-bikes with no bags/lights/brooks parked on the street. So I'm wondering how secure I should go. Never leave lights on the bike? Cover up the Rivendell logos? Get one of those locking seat post clamp things? I realize that no bike on the street is ever safe, but I'd like get a sense of what the probability of getting my stuff jacked here is. Oh, and I'm asking for during the day coffee and errand type trips. For BART parking and late-night pub crawls I just bought a $50 craigslist special, but I would really like to be on my Atlantis as much as I can be. Thanks in advance, -- J. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA *...in terms of recreational cycling there are many riders who would probably benefit more from improving their taste than from improving their performance.*
[RBW] Re: Oakland/Berkeley probability of theft?
Hey David. Hmmm, I've known about the Sheldon locking strategy and the only thing that concerns me is someone who doesn't know much about bikes coming by and undoing my quick releases and trying to remove the frame and finding out it can't be done. Then, just dropping the frame to the pavement. I'm worried that the person might damage the frame/ wheel when tugging or when ditching the attempt. I don't know if this has every happened to anyone in the real world, though. Best, Lee On Nov 11, 9:18 am, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Lee, what are your thoughts on the seat tube lock point vs. rear wheel lock point (aka Sheldon techniquehttp://www.sheldonbrown.com/lock-strategy.html)? I typically do the Sheldon, but have always wondered if it's good enough... On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 9:14 AM, Lee leec...@gmail.com wrote: Just to follow-up, I took some pics of my locked up QB outside of my lab. Note that my workplace is secluded, remote, and well-trafficked by people, and it's on a pretty secluded campus with hundreds of barely locked bikes everywhere. So, my work lock and cable are less beefy than their counterparts at home, which I use when running around San Francisco. The pics: http://tinyurl.com/286ywhb http://tinyurl.com/2bymylj Best, Lee On Nov 10, 11:39 pm, Lee leec...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Jose. I live in San Francisco and frequent the East and South Bay areas regularly. Here's my two cents: Definitely do not rely on a cable lock in the Bay Area. Of course, thieves will target high-end bikes and components, but I think even more so, they target weak locks--cable locks in particular. Ironically, in this way, cable locks act as an attractant in my opinion, regardless of the bike. On any given weekend morning I can walk the streets near my apartment and find part of a cable lock on the sidewalk or in the gutter. I ride my Quickbeam as my daily bike, and I do lock it up outside during the work day, as well as out in the city during the weekend and nights. It's outfitted with a B-17 Special and either a Phil hub or Shimano dynamo hub front wheel. In the latter case, I'll also have a BM Cyo mounted to a small front rack. And, I usually have a tool pouch hung from the saddle and a SuperFlash mounted on the seat stay. My locking solution is a heavy cable through both wheels and the saddle rails, which is then locked along with the frame to a bike rack with a Kryptonite u-lock. I think it's the Evolution. I usually take my tool pouch if it's night. During the day, depending on the area, I may leave it on my bike. I always leave the SuperFlash and Cyo on my bike regardless of time or place. The only thing I feel really secure about this set-up is the frame and u-lock situation. I take my chances with the heavy cable, hoping that a bike thief won't try to get through that just to get my Brooks or a Phil hub. One thing that works in my favor is the number of nicely accessorized bikes that have become so popular in the city right now. Go to any bar, coffee shop, or yoga studio in the Mission and you'll have your pick of non-secured Brooks saddles and Phil wheels. But, this is no real security solution, obviously. I guess this is a long-winded way of saying that your instincts are right, a cable-lock-only approach is likely to be a problem. I don't think you have to cover up the logo, but lock down with a u-lock anything you don't won't to risk being taken, and remove any item you positively don't want to be stolen. Other than that, you weigh the risks and take your chances. Of course, that advice probably fits most urban areas. For this one, I think after a month or two of being out and about, you'll find your comfort zone in the areas you frequent. Good luck! Lee On Nov 10, 11:00 pm, jose jose.cor...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All. I just moved to Oakland (Rockridge) from Houston and I'm curious what peoples opinions are parking your Rivs here are. In Houston, I felt fairly comfortable with locking up my Atlantis with bags/lights/brooks onboard with just a cable lock during the day. No one there pays too much attention to an old looking slow bike with a bunch of crap on it (ha!). Here I see only beater-bikes with no bags/lights/brooks parked on the street. So I'm wondering how secure I should go. Never leave lights on the bike? Cover up the Rivendell logos? Get one of those locking seat post clamp things? I realize that no bike on the street is ever safe, but I'd like get a sense of what the probability of getting my stuff jacked here is. Oh, and I'm asking for during the day coffee and errand type trips. For BART parking and late-night pub crawls I just bought a $50 craigslist special, but I would really like to be on my Atlantis as much as I can be. Thanks in advance, -- J.
[RBW] Re: Oakland/Berkeley probability of theft?
Jose, Welcome to beautiful Oakland! This is what I do in Rockridge. Even though Rockridge is considered a nice neighborhood, and is really not at all like the Oakland that people think of from the news, it is still a moderately urban area with lots of people moving through on foot, bike, bart, cars, and hence opportunistic crimes are not unusual. I would ALWAYS lock the bike with a u-lock. Generally, for 30-minute situations, I just lock the front wheel and the frame to a rack/meter. (Actually, I think a cable lock would be OK for these situations, but since you'll need to get a u-lock for other situations, might as well use it.) If I'm going to be locking it up for longer periods, particularly if it's going to be out of sight the whole time, I would use a cable with the u-lock to lock up both front and rear wheels. I NEVER leave lights on the bike, except at the garage at my work (also in Oakland). Brooks saddles---I personally don't worry about it, particularly on a coffee/errand run. But if you were to park it at Bart everyday all day, I wouldn't be surprised if it got stolen on a bad luck day. As for bags, I generally leave my Carradice on the bike, but I have a nagging worry that it could get stolen. I would not leave an easily detachable bag, such as removable panniers, on the bike. From personal experience, I have had the following happen to me over the past 10 years. I have had a seat bag with tools stolen while parked at Rockridge BART all day, a seatpost and saddle from a beater stolen (had a QR, I should have known better) while parked at Rockridge BART all day, an unlocked bike stolen from my side yard at my old house in Oakland (which was not in Rockridge), a cable-locked bike stolen from the North Berkeley Bart station while parked there all day. I would think this is fairly representative for someone who is generally careful, but not obsessive. Drop me a line offlist, Greg On Nov 10, 11:00 pm, jose jose.cor...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All. I just moved to Oakland (Rockridge) from Houston and I'm curious what peoples opinions are parking your Rivs here are. In Houston, I felt fairly comfortable with locking up my Atlantis with bags/lights/brooks onboard with just a cable lock during the day. No one there pays too much attention to an old looking slow bike with a bunch of crap on it (ha!). Here I see only beater-bikes with no bags/lights/brooks parked on the street. So I'm wondering how secure I should go. Never leave lights on the bike? Cover up the Rivendell logos? Get one of those locking seat post clamp things? I realize that no bike on the street is ever safe, but I'd like get a sense of what the probability of getting my stuff jacked here is. Oh, and I'm asking for during the day coffee and errand type trips. For BART parking and late-night pub crawls I just bought a $50 craigslist special, but I would really like to be on my Atlantis as much as I can be. Thanks in advance, -- J. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Oakland/Berkeley probability of theft?
Interesting and excellent point! Particularly a concern in a high theft area. I don't have that problem, at least not hugely... On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 9:41 AM, Lee leec...@gmail.com wrote: Hey David. Hmmm, I've known about the Sheldon locking strategy and the only thing that concerns me is someone who doesn't know much about bikes coming by and undoing my quick releases and trying to remove the frame and finding out it can't be done. Then, just dropping the frame to the pavement. I'm worried that the person might damage the frame/ wheel when tugging or when ditching the attempt. I don't know if this has every happened to anyone in the real world, though. Best, Lee On Nov 11, 9:18 am, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Lee, what are your thoughts on the seat tube lock point vs. rear wheel lock point (aka Sheldon technique http://www.sheldonbrown.com/lock-strategy.html)? I typically do the Sheldon, but have always wondered if it's good enough... On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 9:14 AM, Lee leec...@gmail.com wrote: Just to follow-up, I took some pics of my locked up QB outside of my lab. Note that my workplace is secluded, remote, and well-trafficked by people, and it's on a pretty secluded campus with hundreds of barely locked bikes everywhere. So, my work lock and cable are less beefy than their counterparts at home, which I use when running around San Francisco. The pics: http://tinyurl.com/286ywhb http://tinyurl.com/2bymylj Best, Lee On Nov 10, 11:39 pm, Lee leec...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Jose. I live in San Francisco and frequent the East and South Bay areas regularly. Here's my two cents: Definitely do not rely on a cable lock in the Bay Area. Of course, thieves will target high-end bikes and components, but I think even more so, they target weak locks--cable locks in particular. Ironically, in this way, cable locks act as an attractant in my opinion, regardless of the bike. On any given weekend morning I can walk the streets near my apartment and find part of a cable lock on the sidewalk or in the gutter. I ride my Quickbeam as my daily bike, and I do lock it up outside during the work day, as well as out in the city during the weekend and nights. It's outfitted with a B-17 Special and either a Phil hub or Shimano dynamo hub front wheel. In the latter case, I'll also have a BM Cyo mounted to a small front rack. And, I usually have a tool pouch hung from the saddle and a SuperFlash mounted on the seat stay. My locking solution is a heavy cable through both wheels and the saddle rails, which is then locked along with the frame to a bike rack with a Kryptonite u-lock. I think it's the Evolution. I usually take my tool pouch if it's night. During the day, depending on the area, I may leave it on my bike. I always leave the SuperFlash and Cyo on my bike regardless of time or place. The only thing I feel really secure about this set-up is the frame and u-lock situation. I take my chances with the heavy cable, hoping that a bike thief won't try to get through that just to get my Brooks or a Phil hub. One thing that works in my favor is the number of nicely accessorized bikes that have become so popular in the city right now. Go to any bar, coffee shop, or yoga studio in the Mission and you'll have your pick of non-secured Brooks saddles and Phil wheels. But, this is no real security solution, obviously. I guess this is a long-winded way of saying that your instincts are right, a cable-lock-only approach is likely to be a problem. I don't think you have to cover up the logo, but lock down with a u-lock anything you don't won't to risk being taken, and remove any item you positively don't want to be stolen. Other than that, you weigh the risks and take your chances. Of course, that advice probably fits most urban areas. For this one, I think after a month or two of being out and about, you'll find your comfort zone in the areas you frequent. Good luck! Lee On Nov 10, 11:00 pm, jose jose.cor...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All. I just moved to Oakland (Rockridge) from Houston and I'm curious what peoples opinions are parking your Rivs here are. In Houston, I felt fairly comfortable with locking up my Atlantis with bags/lights/brooks onboard with just a cable lock during the day. No one there pays too much attention to an old looking slow bike with a bunch of crap on it (ha!). Here I see only beater-bikes with no bags/lights/brooks parked on the street. So I'm wondering how secure I should go. Never leave lights on the bike? Cover up the Rivendell logos? Get one of those locking seat post clamp things? I realize that no bike on the street is ever safe, but I'd like get a sense of what the probability of
Re: [RBW] Re: Oakland/Berkeley probability of theft?
Get a good u-lock, I might use a too-heavy one at night (new york krypto) but prefer knowing at least the frame will be there for me while I'm inside a concert or otherwise. Use a good locking skewer for the other unlocked wheel (you can save money by splitting it up across a couple bikes, and just locking different wheels). Leave as little room as possible for squeezing a pump into the ulock. My messenger buddy uses skewers on both, a the smallest possible ulock--barely clears his frame and a parking meter. That's a good way to go, too, but harder sometimes with racked bicycles. At this point, the worst that could happen is theft of your seat. I throw a plastic bag over mine during the night, and will do the same with a seatbag. Seems to do the trick well enough, though of course you can get particularly unlucky--in any town. I used to do the auxilary cable technique to secure my junk, until I saw somebody saw through one with a serrated knife in about 30 seconds. Since then, I just keep it all dirty and park where there are eyes on the street. I've had plenty of lights stolen, but just the cheap kind (well, 30 dollars isn't super-cheap, but it isn't a phil hub). Knock on wood, never a bicycle. ~erik On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 10:05 AM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.comwrote: Interesting and excellent point! Particularly a concern in a high theft area. I don't have that problem, at least not hugely... On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 9:41 AM, Lee leec...@gmail.com wrote: Hey David. Hmmm, I've known about the Sheldon locking strategy and the only thing that concerns me is someone who doesn't know much about bikes coming by and undoing my quick releases and trying to remove the frame and finding out it can't be done. Then, just dropping the frame to the pavement. I'm worried that the person might damage the frame/ wheel when tugging or when ditching the attempt. I don't know if this has every happened to anyone in the real world, though. Best, Lee On Nov 11, 9:18 am, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Lee, what are your thoughts on the seat tube lock point vs. rear wheel lock point (aka Sheldon technique http://www.sheldonbrown.com/lock-strategy.html)? I typically do the Sheldon, but have always wondered if it's good enough... On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 9:14 AM, Lee leec...@gmail.com wrote: Just to follow-up, I took some pics of my locked up QB outside of my lab. Note that my workplace is secluded, remote, and well-trafficked by people, and it's on a pretty secluded campus with hundreds of barely locked bikes everywhere. So, my work lock and cable are less beefy than their counterparts at home, which I use when running around San Francisco. The pics: http://tinyurl.com/286ywhb http://tinyurl.com/2bymylj Best, Lee On Nov 10, 11:39 pm, Lee leec...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Jose. I live in San Francisco and frequent the East and South Bay areas regularly. Here's my two cents: Definitely do not rely on a cable lock in the Bay Area. Of course, thieves will target high-end bikes and components, but I think even more so, they target weak locks--cable locks in particular. Ironically, in this way, cable locks act as an attractant in my opinion, regardless of the bike. On any given weekend morning I can walk the streets near my apartment and find part of a cable lock on the sidewalk or in the gutter. I ride my Quickbeam as my daily bike, and I do lock it up outside during the work day, as well as out in the city during the weekend and nights. It's outfitted with a B-17 Special and either a Phil hub or Shimano dynamo hub front wheel. In the latter case, I'll also have a BM Cyo mounted to a small front rack. And, I usually have a tool pouch hung from the saddle and a SuperFlash mounted on the seat stay. My locking solution is a heavy cable through both wheels and the saddle rails, which is then locked along with the frame to a bike rack with a Kryptonite u-lock. I think it's the Evolution. I usually take my tool pouch if it's night. During the day, depending on the area, I may leave it on my bike. I always leave the SuperFlash and Cyo on my bike regardless of time or place. The only thing I feel really secure about this set-up is the frame and u-lock situation. I take my chances with the heavy cable, hoping that a bike thief won't try to get through that just to get my Brooks or a Phil hub. One thing that works in my favor is the number of nicely accessorized bikes that have become so popular in the city right now. Go to any bar, coffee shop, or yoga studio in the Mission and you'll have your pick of non-secured Brooks saddles and Phil wheels. But, this is no real security solution, obviously. I guess this is a long-winded way of saying that your instincts are right, a cable-lock-only approach is likely to be a
Re: [RBW] Re: Oakland/Berkeley probability of theft?
Definitely get a good U-lock. I've had a bike stolen that was u-locked to a parking meter in downtown Berkeley (a number of years ago). On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 10:50 AM, erik jensen bicyclen...@gmail.com wrote: Get a good u-lock, I might use a too-heavy one at night (new york krypto) but prefer knowing at least the frame will be there for me while I'm inside a concert or otherwise. Use a good locking skewer for the other unlocked wheel (you can save money by splitting it up across a couple bikes, and just locking different wheels). Leave as little room as possible for squeezing a pump into the ulock. My messenger buddy uses skewers on both, a the smallest possible ulock--barely clears his frame and a parking meter. That's a good way to go, too, but harder sometimes with racked bicycles. At this point, the worst that could happen is theft of your seat. I throw a plastic bag over mine during the night, and will do the same with a seatbag. Seems to do the trick well enough, though of course you can get particularly unlucky--in any town. I used to do the auxilary cable technique to secure my junk, until I saw somebody saw through one with a serrated knife in about 30 seconds. Since then, I just keep it all dirty and park where there are eyes on the street. I've had plenty of lights stolen, but just the cheap kind (well, 30 dollars isn't super-cheap, but it isn't a phil hub). Knock on wood, never a bicycle. ~erik On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 10:05 AM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.comwrote: Interesting and excellent point! Particularly a concern in a high theft area. I don't have that problem, at least not hugely... On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 9:41 AM, Lee leec...@gmail.com wrote: Hey David. Hmmm, I've known about the Sheldon locking strategy and the only thing that concerns me is someone who doesn't know much about bikes coming by and undoing my quick releases and trying to remove the frame and finding out it can't be done. Then, just dropping the frame to the pavement. I'm worried that the person might damage the frame/ wheel when tugging or when ditching the attempt. I don't know if this has every happened to anyone in the real world, though. Best, Lee On Nov 11, 9:18 am, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Lee, what are your thoughts on the seat tube lock point vs. rear wheel lock point (aka Sheldon technique http://www.sheldonbrown.com/lock-strategy.html)? I typically do the Sheldon, but have always wondered if it's good enough... On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 9:14 AM, Lee leec...@gmail.com wrote: Just to follow-up, I took some pics of my locked up QB outside of my lab. Note that my workplace is secluded, remote, and well-trafficked by people, and it's on a pretty secluded campus with hundreds of barely locked bikes everywhere. So, my work lock and cable are less beefy than their counterparts at home, which I use when running around San Francisco. The pics: http://tinyurl.com/286ywhb http://tinyurl.com/2bymylj Best, Lee On Nov 10, 11:39 pm, Lee leec...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Jose. I live in San Francisco and frequent the East and South Bay areas regularly. Here's my two cents: Definitely do not rely on a cable lock in the Bay Area. Of course, thieves will target high-end bikes and components, but I think even more so, they target weak locks--cable locks in particular. Ironically, in this way, cable locks act as an attractant in my opinion, regardless of the bike. On any given weekend morning I can walk the streets near my apartment and find part of a cable lock on the sidewalk or in the gutter. I ride my Quickbeam as my daily bike, and I do lock it up outside during the work day, as well as out in the city during the weekend and nights. It's outfitted with a B-17 Special and either a Phil hub or Shimano dynamo hub front wheel. In the latter case, I'll also have a BM Cyo mounted to a small front rack. And, I usually have a tool pouch hung from the saddle and a SuperFlash mounted on the seat stay. My locking solution is a heavy cable through both wheels and the saddle rails, which is then locked along with the frame to a bike rack with a Kryptonite u-lock. I think it's the Evolution. I usually take my tool pouch if it's night. During the day, depending on the area, I may leave it on my bike. I always leave the SuperFlash and Cyo on my bike regardless of time or place. The only thing I feel really secure about this set-up is the frame and u-lock situation. I take my chances with the heavy cable, hoping that a bike thief won't try to get through that just to get my Brooks or a Phil hub. One thing that works in my favor is the number of nicely accessorized bikes that have become so popular in the city right now. Go to any bar, coffee shop, or yoga studio in the Mission and you'll have
Re: [RBW] Re: Oakland/Berkeley probability of theft?
On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 12:37 PM, Horace max...@sdf.lonestar.org wrote: Definitely get a good U-lock. I've had a bike stolen that was u-locked to a parking meter in downtown Berkeley (a number of years ago). (In the middle of the day while I was at work.) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Oakland/Berkeley probability of theft?
Do get a U-Lock and use it. Replace any quick-releases on your wheels and seatpost with bolts that require some kind of tool. Doesn't need to be the magical locking variety. Wrap a cable around your wheels and saddle if your bike will be parked there all day, but it is onerous so don't feel like you need to do it every time you stop at a store. Bike theft in the area is more opportunistic than targeted. Unlocked bikes in backyards are stolen. Lights that clamp onto handlebars are stolen. Worst case: a garage is broken into and the crooks may or may not know which bike is worth more. If your bags come off easy, take them with you. If it's a complex unlocking/unwrapping operation, don't worry about it if you're just shopping. Maybe worry about it if you're leaving your bike exposed and alone all day long. Get a BikeLink Card (http://www.bikelink.org/) which will let you put your bike (and luggage!) in fully enclosed cage lockers at BART stations for pennies per hour. There's also a new bike parking station in downtown Berkeley. Always do a walk around the front of the Berkeley Bowl to see if there are any other Rivs locked up. Ogle them. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Oakland/Berkeley probability of theft?
it never hurts to through that now-unused cable lock around your bikes, when inside, too. On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 9:31 AM, mike michaelopo...@gmail.com wrote: Do get a U-Lock and use it. Replace any quick-releases on your wheels and seatpost with bolts that require some kind of tool. Doesn't need to be the magical locking variety. Wrap a cable around your wheels and saddle if your bike will be parked there all day, but it is onerous so don't feel like you need to do it every time you stop at a store. Bike theft in the area is more opportunistic than targeted. Unlocked bikes in backyards are stolen. Lights that clamp onto handlebars are stolen. Worst case: a garage is broken into and the crooks may or may not know which bike is worth more. If your bags come off easy, take them with you. If it's a complex unlocking/unwrapping operation, don't worry about it if you're just shopping. Maybe worry about it if you're leaving your bike exposed and alone all day long. Get a BikeLink Card (http://www.bikelink.org/) which will let you put your bike (and luggage!) in fully enclosed cage lockers at BART stations for pennies per hour. There's also a new bike parking station in downtown Berkeley. Always do a walk around the front of the Berkeley Bowl to see if there are any other Rivs locked up. Ogle them. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- oakland, ca bikenoir.blogspot.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Oakland/Berkeley probability of theft?
You may think I am paranoid, but I would never use a U lock or a cable lock on a bike I am leaving outside. I see way too many broken u-locks and cut cables. Whenever possible, I use attended bike parking - we are very fortunate in the SF Bay Area to have several such facilities. If you frequent downtown Berkeley, you can get a smart card, enabling you to use the downtown Berkeley (or any other) Bikestation at the rate of one penny per hour. This is especially convenient if I am coming home after a concert, play movie, etc. and the attended parking area of the Bikestation is closed. The Bikestation has restrooms, lots of racks and several small lockers (for personal items other than bikes). When I take my bike to work, I park it in my office. When I there is no alternative but to park my bike outside, I use a Quadrachain together with a Mul-t-lock. This is a rather heavy solution, but is easily carried in my Burley Nomad. The Mul-t-lock is virtually unbeatable. Boron hasp, unpickable keyway, keyed like the rest of my Mul-t-locks. CZ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Oakland/Berkeley probability of theft?
Hi Jose. I live in San Francisco and frequent the East and South Bay areas regularly. Here's my two cents: Definitely do not rely on a cable lock in the Bay Area. Of course, thieves will target high-end bikes and components, but I think even more so, they target weak locks--cable locks in particular. Ironically, in this way, cable locks act as an attractant in my opinion, regardless of the bike. On any given weekend morning I can walk the streets near my apartment and find part of a cable lock on the sidewalk or in the gutter. I ride my Quickbeam as my daily bike, and I do lock it up outside during the work day, as well as out in the city during the weekend and nights. It's outfitted with a B-17 Special and either a Phil hub or Shimano dynamo hub front wheel. In the latter case, I'll also have a BM Cyo mounted to a small front rack. And, I usually have a tool pouch hung from the saddle and a SuperFlash mounted on the seat stay. My locking solution is a heavy cable through both wheels and the saddle rails, which is then locked along with the frame to a bike rack with a Kryptonite u-lock. I think it's the Evolution. I usually take my tool pouch if it's night. During the day, depending on the area, I may leave it on my bike. I always leave the SuperFlash and Cyo on my bike regardless of time or place. The only thing I feel really secure about this set-up is the frame and u-lock situation. I take my chances with the heavy cable, hoping that a bike thief won't try to get through that just to get my Brooks or a Phil hub. One thing that works in my favor is the number of nicely accessorized bikes that have become so popular in the city right now. Go to any bar, coffee shop, or yoga studio in the Mission and you'll have your pick of non-secured Brooks saddles and Phil wheels. But, this is no real security solution, obviously. I guess this is a long-winded way of saying that your instincts are right, a cable-lock-only approach is likely to be a problem. I don't think you have to cover up the logo, but lock down with a u-lock anything you don't won't to risk being taken, and remove any item you positively don't want to be stolen. Other than that, you weigh the risks and take your chances. Of course, that advice probably fits most urban areas. For this one, I think after a month or two of being out and about, you'll find your comfort zone in the areas you frequent. Good luck! Lee On Nov 10, 11:00 pm, jose jose.cor...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All. I just moved to Oakland (Rockridge) from Houston and I'm curious what peoples opinions are parking your Rivs here are. In Houston, I felt fairly comfortable with locking up my Atlantis with bags/lights/brooks onboard with just a cable lock during the day. No one there pays too much attention to an old looking slow bike with a bunch of crap on it (ha!). Here I see only beater-bikes with no bags/lights/brooks parked on the street. So I'm wondering how secure I should go. Never leave lights on the bike? Cover up the Rivendell logos? Get one of those locking seat post clamp things? I realize that no bike on the street is ever safe, but I'd like get a sense of what the probability of getting my stuff jacked here is. Oh, and I'm asking for during the day coffee and errand type trips. For BART parking and late-night pub crawls I just bought a $50 craigslist special, but I would really like to be on my Atlantis as much as I can be. Thanks in advance, -- J. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
