Re: [RBW] Re: Pedal Question

[Kim Hetzel]

Luke,

I hope the Monarch pedals and the extension wings work out for you with 
your large feet. My Gamma/Monarch silver pedals; bought mine online from 
Modern Bike, with the pedal spikes from Rivendell have been working out 
very well for me on my Clem. They feel very solid and firm under my shoes; 
10.5 with a wider surface area. Happy !

Kim Hetzel
Yelm, WA.


On Tuesday, February 28, 2023 at 10:54:16 AM UTC-8 Luke Hendrickson wrote:

> Jason – I’m switching to the Monarch with the added platform this week. 
> I’ve been running Suntour XCii pedals while wearing support free Vans 
> tennis shoes and my biggest gripe has been my feet kinda hanging off. I 
> have not had any discomfort, even with 80 mile rides. I believe my issues 
> mostly stem from having large feet (15.5) and always wanting for more of a 
> platform. 
>
> On Tuesday, February 28, 2023 at 10:31:24 AM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I've found that the stiffer the soles of the shoes, the better pedaling 
>> feels and if the shoe is too flexy you'll get hotspots or foot pain. So I 
>> don't think switching pedals will help but switching shoes might.
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 28, 2023 at 9:55 AM Jason Fuller  wrote:
>>
>>> My instinct is that has a lot more to do with the shoes, ie not well 
>>> supported arches maybe?  I found that long pedals like the MKS Monarch or 
>>> the Bubbly were a gamechanger for foot comfort vs. shorter flat pedals, but 
>>> probably because I am always riding in shoes that are objectively too soft 
>>> for long distance riding. The Bubbly isn't the grippiest pedal, because it 
>>> has no pins, but it's very grippy for a non-pinned and is easily the most 
>>> comfortable pedal I've ridden  
>>>
>>> On Sunday, 26 February 2023 at 22:36:55 UTC-8 swar...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Since it seems like people here are pretty experienced with flat pedals 
 I'll ask a question.
 I ride flats all the time, but I find that on especially long rides 
 (100+ mi) or if I'm putting out too much power (like straining up a hill) 
 I 
 start to get foot pain.
 Does anyone have good recommendations for flat pedals that are better 
 on the feet (I'm a US 10.5 shoe size) - or advice for avoiding foot 
 cramping or pain?

 On Sun, Feb 19, 2023 at 10:05 PM Luke Hendrickson <
 phendr...@paulpath.net> wrote:

> Platforms > clipless IMO. I’ve ridden both and like less hassle and 
> fewer impediments to hopping on a bike. Should you not wish to listen to 
> a 
> stranger on the Internet and wish to go full steam ahead, I suggest SPDs 
> especially since, were one to break out on the road, replacement cleats 
> or 
> screws are readily available at most LBSs. Many other clipless pedal 
> options are not. 
>
> On Sunday, February 19, 2023 at 11:46:09 AM UTC-8 Josiah Anderson 
> wrote:
>
>> I agree with Ted, clipless pedals are not useful for most of the 
>> riding I do. That riding consists of commuting, trail riding, long and 
>> fast-ish road rides, and both paved and off-road touring. The only time 
>> I 
>> still use clipless pedals is for racing (which I do just a little of); 
>> platforms are much better the rest of the time. Maybe I don't care about 
>> foot attachment as much as some people, considering that I'm also a 
>> telemark skier, but I think having your foot solidly attached is 
>> overrated. 
>> I think a lot of the time people do it because they feel like they have 
>> to 
>> or it's what everyone else is doing, even when there's not a good reason 
>> to- that was me for years before I realized how good flat pedals are. 
>> Getting a nice pair of pedals helped too- I got a good deal on some thin 
>> Crank Brothers platforms with good spikes and nice bearings and they 
>> made 
>> me like flat pedals a lot more.
>>
>> That being said, if you really want to try clipless pedals, I 
>> recommend Time ATACs. They're the only clipless pedals I've used for the 
>> last few years after moving away from SPDs and (eewww) Look road pedals, 
>> and I like them for the float and the reasonably supportive pedal body 
>> as 
>> well as for their performance in muddy conditions (I do race some 
>> cyclocross). SPDs work fine too though, and maybe cheaper and easier to 
>> find.
>>
>> Josiah Anderson
>> Missoula, MT
>>
>> Le dim. 19 févr. 2023 à 07:22, Ted Durant  a 
>> écrit :
>>
>>> On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 9:17:48 AM UTC-5 Dick Pahle wrote:
>>> trust  its ok to ask for product recomendation here. been riding 
>>> with toe clips forever and ready to switch to clipless. anyone here 
>>> have 
>>> thoughts about a good pedal for a beginner. something easy to get in 
>>> and 
>>> out of. i get indegestion looking at all the different 
>>> kinds/styles/types. 
>>>
>>> Okay, 

Re: [RBW] Re: Pedal Question

[Luke Hendrickson]

Jason – I’m switching to the Monarch with the added platform this week. 
I’ve been running Suntour XCii pedals while wearing support free Vans 
tennis shoes and my biggest gripe has been my feet kinda hanging off. I 
have not had any discomfort, even with 80 mile rides. I believe my issues 
mostly stem from having large feet (15.5) and always wanting for more of a 
platform. 

On Tuesday, February 28, 2023 at 10:31:24 AM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com wrote:

> I've found that the stiffer the soles of the shoes, the better pedaling 
> feels and if the shoe is too flexy you'll get hotspots or foot pain. So I 
> don't think switching pedals will help but switching shoes might.
>
> On Tue, Feb 28, 2023 at 9:55 AM Jason Fuller  wrote:
>
>> My instinct is that has a lot more to do with the shoes, ie not well 
>> supported arches maybe?  I found that long pedals like the MKS Monarch or 
>> the Bubbly were a gamechanger for foot comfort vs. shorter flat pedals, but 
>> probably because I am always riding in shoes that are objectively too soft 
>> for long distance riding. The Bubbly isn't the grippiest pedal, because it 
>> has no pins, but it's very grippy for a non-pinned and is easily the most 
>> comfortable pedal I've ridden  
>>
>> On Sunday, 26 February 2023 at 22:36:55 UTC-8 swar...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Since it seems like people here are pretty experienced with flat pedals 
>>> I'll ask a question.
>>> I ride flats all the time, but I find that on especially long rides 
>>> (100+ mi) or if I'm putting out too much power (like straining up a hill) I 
>>> start to get foot pain.
>>> Does anyone have good recommendations for flat pedals that are better on 
>>> the feet (I'm a US 10.5 shoe size) - or advice for avoiding foot cramping 
>>> or pain?
>>>
>>> On Sun, Feb 19, 2023 at 10:05 PM Luke Hendrickson <
>>> phendr...@paulpath.net> wrote:
>>>
 Platforms > clipless IMO. I’ve ridden both and like less hassle and 
 fewer impediments to hopping on a bike. Should you not wish to listen to a 
 stranger on the Internet and wish to go full steam ahead, I suggest SPDs 
 especially since, were one to break out on the road, replacement cleats or 
 screws are readily available at most LBSs. Many other clipless pedal 
 options are not. 

 On Sunday, February 19, 2023 at 11:46:09 AM UTC-8 Josiah Anderson wrote:

> I agree with Ted, clipless pedals are not useful for most of the 
> riding I do. That riding consists of commuting, trail riding, long and 
> fast-ish road rides, and both paved and off-road touring. The only time I 
> still use clipless pedals is for racing (which I do just a little of); 
> platforms are much better the rest of the time. Maybe I don't care about 
> foot attachment as much as some people, considering that I'm also a 
> telemark skier, but I think having your foot solidly attached is 
> overrated. 
> I think a lot of the time people do it because they feel like they have 
> to 
> or it's what everyone else is doing, even when there's not a good reason 
> to- that was me for years before I realized how good flat pedals are. 
> Getting a nice pair of pedals helped too- I got a good deal on some thin 
> Crank Brothers platforms with good spikes and nice bearings and they made 
> me like flat pedals a lot more.
>
> That being said, if you really want to try clipless pedals, I 
> recommend Time ATACs. They're the only clipless pedals I've used for the 
> last few years after moving away from SPDs and (eewww) Look road pedals, 
> and I like them for the float and the reasonably supportive pedal body as 
> well as for their performance in muddy conditions (I do race some 
> cyclocross). SPDs work fine too though, and maybe cheaper and easier to 
> find.
>
> Josiah Anderson
> Missoula, MT
>
> Le dim. 19 févr. 2023 à 07:22, Ted Durant  a 
> écrit :
>
>> On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 9:17:48 AM UTC-5 Dick Pahle wrote:
>> trust  its ok to ask for product recomendation here. been riding with 
>> toe clips forever and ready to switch to clipless. anyone here have 
>> thoughts about a good pedal for a beginner. something easy to get in and 
>> out of. i get indegestion looking at all the different 
>> kinds/styles/types. 
>>
>> Okay, I'll be the first to say it ... don't bother! I use Crank 
>> Brothers eggbeater pedals on most of my bikes, and I'm about to put some 
>> flat pedals on one of my regulars and do a fair amount of riding without 
>> bindings to see if I really still want them. I started going down the 
>> no-binding path a while ago, but much of my riding was commuting and I 
>> actually liked bindings for being able to accelerate quickly in traffic. 
>> If 
>> I was doing any group riding, I'd still want them, and for that reason 
>> even 
>> if I ditch the eggbeaters for 

Re: [RBW] Re: Pedal Question

[藍俊彪]

I've found that the stiffer the soles of the shoes, the better pedaling
feels and if the shoe is too flexy you'll get hotspots or foot pain. So I
don't think switching pedals will help but switching shoes might.

On Tue, Feb 28, 2023 at 9:55 AM Jason Fuller  wrote:

> My instinct is that has a lot more to do with the shoes, ie not well
> supported arches maybe?  I found that long pedals like the MKS Monarch or
> the Bubbly were a gamechanger for foot comfort vs. shorter flat pedals, but
> probably because I am always riding in shoes that are objectively too soft
> for long distance riding. The Bubbly isn't the grippiest pedal, because it
> has no pins, but it's very grippy for a non-pinned and is easily the most
> comfortable pedal I've ridden
>
> On Sunday, 26 February 2023 at 22:36:55 UTC-8 swar...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Since it seems like people here are pretty experienced with flat pedals
>> I'll ask a question.
>> I ride flats all the time, but I find that on especially long rides (100+
>> mi) or if I'm putting out too much power (like straining up a hill) I start
>> to get foot pain.
>> Does anyone have good recommendations for flat pedals that are better on
>> the feet (I'm a US 10.5 shoe size) - or advice for avoiding foot cramping
>> or pain?
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 19, 2023 at 10:05 PM Luke Hendrickson 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Platforms > clipless IMO. I’ve ridden both and like less hassle and
>>> fewer impediments to hopping on a bike. Should you not wish to listen to a
>>> stranger on the Internet and wish to go full steam ahead, I suggest SPDs
>>> especially since, were one to break out on the road, replacement cleats or
>>> screws are readily available at most LBSs. Many other clipless pedal
>>> options are not.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, February 19, 2023 at 11:46:09 AM UTC-8 Josiah Anderson wrote:
>>>
 I agree with Ted, clipless pedals are not useful for most of the riding
 I do. That riding consists of commuting, trail riding, long and fast-ish
 road rides, and both paved and off-road touring. The only time I still use
 clipless pedals is for racing (which I do just a little of); platforms are
 much better the rest of the time. Maybe I don't care about foot attachment
 as much as some people, considering that I'm also a telemark skier, but I
 think having your foot solidly attached is overrated. I think a lot of the
 time people do it because they feel like they have to or it's what everyone
 else is doing, even when there's not a good reason to- that was me for
 years before I realized how good flat pedals are. Getting a nice pair of
 pedals helped too- I got a good deal on some thin Crank Brothers platforms
 with good spikes and nice bearings and they made me like flat pedals a lot
 more.

 That being said, if you really want to try clipless pedals, I recommend
 Time ATACs. They're the only clipless pedals I've used for the last few
 years after moving away from SPDs and (eewww) Look road pedals, and I like
 them for the float and the reasonably supportive pedal body as well as for
 their performance in muddy conditions (I do race some cyclocross). SPDs
 work fine too though, and maybe cheaper and easier to find.

 Josiah Anderson
 Missoula, MT

 Le dim. 19 févr. 2023 à 07:22, Ted Durant  a écrit :

> On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 9:17:48 AM UTC-5 Dick Pahle wrote:
> trust  its ok to ask for product recomendation here. been riding with
> toe clips forever and ready to switch to clipless. anyone here have
> thoughts about a good pedal for a beginner. something easy to get in and
> out of. i get indegestion looking at all the different kinds/styles/types.
>
> Okay, I'll be the first to say it ... don't bother! I use Crank
> Brothers eggbeater pedals on most of my bikes, and I'm about to put some
> flat pedals on one of my regulars and do a fair amount of riding without
> bindings to see if I really still want them. I started going down the
> no-binding path a while ago, but much of my riding was commuting and I
> actually liked bindings for being able to accelerate quickly in traffic. 
> If
> I was doing any group riding, I'd still want them, and for that reason 
> even
> if I ditch the eggbeaters for most of my bikes, I will still keep them on
> my "group ride" bike (my Riv Road).
>
> That said, I've been very happy with eggbeaters because 1) they're
> super easy entry and exit (as long as you replace the cleats regularly), 
> 2)
> low profile cleats with lots of walkable shoe options, 3)there's no 
> tension
> adjustment required and the shoe-cleat-pedal interface is secure as long 
> as
> you replace the cleats regularly and use shims as needed, 4) choice of
> fixed or floating cleats (I prefer fixed), 5) no extra weight. You do want
> shoes with fairly stiff soles, because the pedal itself 

Re: [RBW] Re: Pedal Question

[Jason Fuller]

My instinct is that has a lot more to do with the shoes, ie not well 
supported arches maybe?  I found that long pedals like the MKS Monarch or 
the Bubbly were a gamechanger for foot comfort vs. shorter flat pedals, but 
probably because I am always riding in shoes that are objectively too soft 
for long distance riding. The Bubbly isn't the grippiest pedal, because it 
has no pins, but it's very grippy for a non-pinned and is easily the most 
comfortable pedal I've ridden  

On Sunday, 26 February 2023 at 22:36:55 UTC-8 swar...@gmail.com wrote:

> Since it seems like people here are pretty experienced with flat pedals 
> I'll ask a question.
> I ride flats all the time, but I find that on especially long rides (100+ 
> mi) or if I'm putting out too much power (like straining up a hill) I start 
> to get foot pain.
> Does anyone have good recommendations for flat pedals that are better on 
> the feet (I'm a US 10.5 shoe size) - or advice for avoiding foot cramping 
> or pain?
>
> On Sun, Feb 19, 2023 at 10:05 PM Luke Hendrickson  
> wrote:
>
>> Platforms > clipless IMO. I’ve ridden both and like less hassle and fewer 
>> impediments to hopping on a bike. Should you not wish to listen to a 
>> stranger on the Internet and wish to go full steam ahead, I suggest SPDs 
>> especially since, were one to break out on the road, replacement cleats or 
>> screws are readily available at most LBSs. Many other clipless pedal 
>> options are not. 
>>
>> On Sunday, February 19, 2023 at 11:46:09 AM UTC-8 Josiah Anderson wrote:
>>
>>> I agree with Ted, clipless pedals are not useful for most of the riding 
>>> I do. That riding consists of commuting, trail riding, long and fast-ish 
>>> road rides, and both paved and off-road touring. The only time I still use 
>>> clipless pedals is for racing (which I do just a little of); platforms are 
>>> much better the rest of the time. Maybe I don't care about foot attachment 
>>> as much as some people, considering that I'm also a telemark skier, but I 
>>> think having your foot solidly attached is overrated. I think a lot of the 
>>> time people do it because they feel like they have to or it's what everyone 
>>> else is doing, even when there's not a good reason to- that was me for 
>>> years before I realized how good flat pedals are. Getting a nice pair of 
>>> pedals helped too- I got a good deal on some thin Crank Brothers platforms 
>>> with good spikes and nice bearings and they made me like flat pedals a lot 
>>> more.
>>>
>>> That being said, if you really want to try clipless pedals, I recommend 
>>> Time ATACs. They're the only clipless pedals I've used for the last few 
>>> years after moving away from SPDs and (eewww) Look road pedals, and I like 
>>> them for the float and the reasonably supportive pedal body as well as for 
>>> their performance in muddy conditions (I do race some cyclocross). SPDs 
>>> work fine too though, and maybe cheaper and easier to find.
>>>
>>> Josiah Anderson
>>> Missoula, MT
>>>
>>> Le dim. 19 févr. 2023 à 07:22, Ted Durant  a écrit :
>>>
 On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 9:17:48 AM UTC-5 Dick Pahle wrote:
 trust  its ok to ask for product recomendation here. been riding with 
 toe clips forever and ready to switch to clipless. anyone here have 
 thoughts about a good pedal for a beginner. something easy to get in and 
 out of. i get indegestion looking at all the different kinds/styles/types. 

 Okay, I'll be the first to say it ... don't bother! I use Crank 
 Brothers eggbeater pedals on most of my bikes, and I'm about to put some 
 flat pedals on one of my regulars and do a fair amount of riding without 
 bindings to see if I really still want them. I started going down the 
 no-binding path a while ago, but much of my riding was commuting and I 
 actually liked bindings for being able to accelerate quickly in traffic. 
 If 
 I was doing any group riding, I'd still want them, and for that reason 
 even 
 if I ditch the eggbeaters for most of my bikes, I will still keep them on 
 my "group ride" bike (my Riv Road). 

 That said, I've been very happy with eggbeaters because 1) they're 
 super easy entry and exit (as long as you replace the cleats regularly), 
 2) 
 low profile cleats with lots of walkable shoe options, 3)there's no 
 tension 
 adjustment required and the shoe-cleat-pedal interface is secure as long 
 as 
 you replace the cleats regularly and use shims as needed, 4) choice of 
 fixed or floating cleats (I prefer fixed), 5) no extra weight. You do want 
 shoes with fairly stiff soles, because the pedal itself offers no support. 
 On the down side, they don't have a flat/binding two-sided option, but 
 that 
 hasn't been an issue for me. I have a box full of old Shimano pedals and 
 cleats. I could never get happy with the shoe-cleat-pedal interface, it 
 was 
 always too loose and 

Re: [RBW] Re: Pedal Question

[Noah Swartz]

Since it seems like people here are pretty experienced with flat pedals
I'll ask a question.
I ride flats all the time, but I find that on especially long rides (100+
mi) or if I'm putting out too much power (like straining up a hill) I start
to get foot pain.
Does anyone have good recommendations for flat pedals that are better on
the feet (I'm a US 10.5 shoe size) - or advice for avoiding foot cramping
or pain?

On Sun, Feb 19, 2023 at 10:05 PM Luke Hendrickson <
phendricks...@paulpath.net> wrote:

> Platforms > clipless IMO. I’ve ridden both and like less hassle and fewer
> impediments to hopping on a bike. Should you not wish to listen to a
> stranger on the Internet and wish to go full steam ahead, I suggest SPDs
> especially since, were one to break out on the road, replacement cleats or
> screws are readily available at most LBSs. Many other clipless pedal
> options are not.
>
> On Sunday, February 19, 2023 at 11:46:09 AM UTC-8 Josiah Anderson wrote:
>
>> I agree with Ted, clipless pedals are not useful for most of the riding I
>> do. That riding consists of commuting, trail riding, long and fast-ish road
>> rides, and both paved and off-road touring. The only time I still use
>> clipless pedals is for racing (which I do just a little of); platforms are
>> much better the rest of the time. Maybe I don't care about foot attachment
>> as much as some people, considering that I'm also a telemark skier, but I
>> think having your foot solidly attached is overrated. I think a lot of the
>> time people do it because they feel like they have to or it's what everyone
>> else is doing, even when there's not a good reason to- that was me for
>> years before I realized how good flat pedals are. Getting a nice pair of
>> pedals helped too- I got a good deal on some thin Crank Brothers platforms
>> with good spikes and nice bearings and they made me like flat pedals a lot
>> more.
>>
>> That being said, if you really want to try clipless pedals, I recommend
>> Time ATACs. They're the only clipless pedals I've used for the last few
>> years after moving away from SPDs and (eewww) Look road pedals, and I like
>> them for the float and the reasonably supportive pedal body as well as for
>> their performance in muddy conditions (I do race some cyclocross). SPDs
>> work fine too though, and maybe cheaper and easier to find.
>>
>> Josiah Anderson
>> Missoula, MT
>>
>> Le dim. 19 févr. 2023 à 07:22, Ted Durant  a écrit :
>>
>>> On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 9:17:48 AM UTC-5 Dick Pahle wrote:
>>> trust  its ok to ask for product recomendation here. been riding with
>>> toe clips forever and ready to switch to clipless. anyone here have
>>> thoughts about a good pedal for a beginner. something easy to get in and
>>> out of. i get indegestion looking at all the different kinds/styles/types.
>>>
>>> Okay, I'll be the first to say it ... don't bother! I use Crank Brothers
>>> eggbeater pedals on most of my bikes, and I'm about to put some flat pedals
>>> on one of my regulars and do a fair amount of riding without bindings to
>>> see if I really still want them. I started going down the no-binding path a
>>> while ago, but much of my riding was commuting and I actually liked
>>> bindings for being able to accelerate quickly in traffic. If I was doing
>>> any group riding, I'd still want them, and for that reason even if I ditch
>>> the eggbeaters for most of my bikes, I will still keep them on my "group
>>> ride" bike (my Riv Road).
>>>
>>> That said, I've been very happy with eggbeaters because 1) they're super
>>> easy entry and exit (as long as you replace the cleats regularly), 2) low
>>> profile cleats with lots of walkable shoe options, 3)there's no tension
>>> adjustment required and the shoe-cleat-pedal interface is secure as long as
>>> you replace the cleats regularly and use shims as needed, 4) choice of
>>> fixed or floating cleats (I prefer fixed), 5) no extra weight. You do want
>>> shoes with fairly stiff soles, because the pedal itself offers no support.
>>> On the down side, they don't have a flat/binding two-sided option, but that
>>> hasn't been an issue for me. I have a box full of old Shimano pedals and
>>> cleats. I could never get happy with the shoe-cleat-pedal interface, it was
>>> always too loose and wobbly or too hard to release.
>>>
>>> Ted Durant
>>> Milwaukee WI USA
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Pedal Question

[Toshi Takeuchi]

I haven’t used the 421 but the m324 is nice on my commuter— I can make
short trips without worrying about my bike shoes.

I like clip-in pedals for hills.

Toshi


On Thu, Feb 23, 2023 at 3:34 PM Piaw Na(藍俊彪)  wrote:

> The 421s have one side which is flat and the other side is clip-in. We use
> it on the triplet for the 0.8 mile (one way) commute to school for the kids
> to ride to school in their running shoes. They're great. Amazon seems to
> have stopped selling them but I've had no problems ordering them from
> various british cycling shops. For a while the prices on these pedals were
> such that if you needed a set of new SPD cleats it was as though you were
> getting the pedals for $5-10.
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Pedal Question

[藍俊彪]

The 421s have one side which is flat and the other side is clip-in. We use
it on the triplet for the 0.8 mile (one way) commute to school for the kids
to ride to school in their running shoes. They're great. Amazon seems to
have stopped selling them but I've had no problems ordering them from
various british cycling shops. For a while the prices on these pedals were
such that if you needed a set of new SPD cleats it was as though you were
getting the pedals for $5-10.

On Thu, Feb 23, 2023 at 11:48 AM Michael Hammer  wrote:

> We use the Shimano T series SPD pedals and like them a lot, along with the
> Shimano shoes from this series.  Easy in and out, and float.  Shimano calls
> these "Click'r" and I think they are supposed to be a starter/city pedal.
> Works fine for my wife and I.  I don't think either of us has tipped over
> due to not being able to unclip.  I think we have the T400 models from
> several years ago; it seems the current version is T421 which is double
> sided which may be handy.
>
> On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 10:16:38 AM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Not many people know this, but Shimano makes pairs of beginner SPD pedals
>> called Click'R (
>> https://blog.piaw.net/2017/05/review-shimano-pd-t400-clickr-pedal.html).
>> My kids use them both on tandem and mountain bike and love it. Kids don't
>> lie about these things --- with the pedals they can climb hills and steep
>> segments they can't do with flat pedals, and they wouldn't put up with
>> special shoes and pedals if they didn't add positive value. The click'r add
>> weight but they never fail to release, and none of my kids have ever
>> crashed because they couldn't put a foot down.
>>
>> On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 6:17:48 AM UTC-8 Dick Pahle wrote:
>>
>>> trust  its ok to ask for product recomendation here. been riding with
>>> toe clips forever and ready to switch to clipless. anyone here have
>>> thoughts about a good pedal for a beginner. something easy to get in and
>>> out of. i get indegestion looking at all the different kinds/styles/types.
>>>
>>> road ride mostly but I've seen online recomendations for a shimano
>>> mountain bike pedal. some of the two sided ones look appealing to me with
>>> one side suitable for regular shoes and the other for clipping in with
>>> cleats.
>>>
>>> thanks in advance for comments/suggestions.
>>>
>>> dick
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Pedal Question

[Patrick Moore]

I've used a fair number of non-Shimano SPD clones, including a number of
Wellgos, and be they Wellgos or WTBs or Ritcheys or Xpedias or what have
you, I've not found clipping in and out as secure and crisp as with Shimano
SPDs. Of course, I rarely take great pains to match cleat make to pedal
make, but -- again, IME -- Shimano SPD cleats seem to clip into and out of
Shimano SPD pedals better than other makes and combinations.

FWIW.

FWIW too, moving on to other MTB clipless systems, I used Frogs for several
years and never found them as secure and or as crisp as Shimano SPDs.

Speaking of clipless off road pedals, has anyone else used Graftons? I had
both road and mtb models; they were notable less for ease of use and
security than for the Erector Set-like multitude of small bolts and bits
and O rings, and the great quality of same. You had to stick a little
forward-facing prong into a slot as the first step in clicking in.


On Thu, Feb 23, 2023 at 6:52 AM Peter Adler  wrote:

> Greg's got the right idea: Start your clipless experiments with SPD,
> because they're ubiquitous and cheap to get.
>
> But the fact that they're easy to acquire doesn't mean they work for
> everybody. When I fearfully entered the clipless world circa 2010, I
> started with a pair of Wellgo pedals that had SPD on one side, and platform
> on the other. Although I tried for a couple of months, I could never get
> SPDs to work for me; I couldn't get the cleat to snap into the mechanism
> reliably, and I didn't get any noticeable feedback when I was successful.
> So I alternated between repeated failures to snap in/thinking I'd
> successfully snapped in, only to find my foot flying free off the
> pedal/thinking I'd failed, only to find that my foot was unexpectedly
> attached to the pedal. This gave me much *agita*.
>

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[RBW] Re: Pedal Question

[Michael Hammer]

As Piaw said.  Agree 100% even for adults.


On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 11:48:27 AM UTC-8 Michael Hammer wrote:

> We use the Shimano T series SPD pedals and like them a lot, along with the 
> Shimano shoes from this series.  Easy in and out, and float.  Shimano calls 
> these "Click'r" and I think they are supposed to be a starter/city pedal.  
> Works fine for my wife and I.  I don't think either of us has tipped over 
> due to not being able to unclip.  I think we have the T400 models from 
> several years ago; it seems the current version is T421 which is double 
> sided which may be handy.  
>
> On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 10:16:38 AM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Not many people know this, but Shimano makes pairs of beginner SPD pedals 
>> called Click'R (
>> https://blog.piaw.net/2017/05/review-shimano-pd-t400-clickr-pedal.html). 
>> My kids use them both on tandem and mountain bike and love it. Kids don't 
>> lie about these things --- with the pedals they can climb hills and steep 
>> segments they can't do with flat pedals, and they wouldn't put up with 
>> special shoes and pedals if they didn't add positive value. The click'r add 
>> weight but they never fail to release, and none of my kids have ever 
>> crashed because they couldn't put a foot down.
>>
>> On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 6:17:48 AM UTC-8 Dick Pahle wrote:
>>
>>> trust  its ok to ask for product recomendation here. been riding with 
>>> toe clips forever and ready to switch to clipless. anyone here have 
>>> thoughts about a good pedal for a beginner. something easy to get in and 
>>> out of. i get indegestion looking at all the different kinds/styles/types. 
>>>
>>> road ride mostly but I've seen online recomendations for a shimano 
>>> mountain bike pedal. some of the two sided ones look appealing to me with 
>>> one side suitable for regular shoes and the other for clipping in with 
>>> cleats.
>>>
>>> thanks in advance for comments/suggestions.
>>>
>>> dick
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Pedal Question

[Michael Hammer]

We use the Shimano T series SPD pedals and like them a lot, along with the 
Shimano shoes from this series.  Easy in and out, and float.  Shimano calls 
these "Click'r" and I think they are supposed to be a starter/city pedal.  
Works fine for my wife and I.  I don't think either of us has tipped over 
due to not being able to unclip.  I think we have the T400 models from 
several years ago; it seems the current version is T421 which is double 
sided which may be handy.  

On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 10:16:38 AM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com wrote:

> Not many people know this, but Shimano makes pairs of beginner SPD pedals 
> called Click'R (
> https://blog.piaw.net/2017/05/review-shimano-pd-t400-clickr-pedal.html). 
> My kids use them both on tandem and mountain bike and love it. Kids don't 
> lie about these things --- with the pedals they can climb hills and steep 
> segments they can't do with flat pedals, and they wouldn't put up with 
> special shoes and pedals if they didn't add positive value. The click'r add 
> weight but they never fail to release, and none of my kids have ever 
> crashed because they couldn't put a foot down.
>
> On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 6:17:48 AM UTC-8 Dick Pahle wrote:
>
>> trust  its ok to ask for product recomendation here. been riding with toe 
>> clips forever and ready to switch to clipless. anyone here have thoughts 
>> about a good pedal for a beginner. something easy to get in and out of. i 
>> get indegestion looking at all the different kinds/styles/types. 
>>
>> road ride mostly but I've seen online recomendations for a shimano 
>> mountain bike pedal. some of the two sided ones look appealing to me with 
>> one side suitable for regular shoes and the other for clipping in with 
>> cleats.
>>
>> thanks in advance for comments/suggestions.
>>
>> dick
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Pedal Question

[Piaw Na]

Not many people know this, but Shimano makes pairs of beginner SPD pedals 
called Click'R 
(https://blog.piaw.net/2017/05/review-shimano-pd-t400-clickr-pedal.html). 
My kids use them both on tandem and mountain bike and love it. Kids don't 
lie about these things --- with the pedals they can climb hills and steep 
segments they can't do with flat pedals, and they wouldn't put up with 
special shoes and pedals if they didn't add positive value. The click'r add 
weight but they never fail to release, and none of my kids have ever 
crashed because they couldn't put a foot down.

On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 6:17:48 AM UTC-8 Dick Pahle wrote:

> trust  its ok to ask for product recomendation here. been riding with toe 
> clips forever and ready to switch to clipless. anyone here have thoughts 
> about a good pedal for a beginner. something easy to get in and out of. i 
> get indegestion looking at all the different kinds/styles/types. 
>
> road ride mostly but I've seen online recomendations for a shimano 
> mountain bike pedal. some of the two sided ones look appealing to me with 
> one side suitable for regular shoes and the other for clipping in with 
> cleats.
>
> thanks in advance for comments/suggestions.
>
> dick
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Pedal Question

[Peter Adler]

Greg's got the right idea: Start your clipless experiments with SPD, 
because they're ubiquitous and cheap to get.

But the fact that they're easy to acquire doesn't mean they work for 
everybody. When I fearfully entered the clipless world circa 2010, I 
started with a pair of Wellgo pedals that had SPD on one side, and platform 
on the other. Although I tried for a couple of months, I could never get 
SPDs to work for me; I couldn't get the cleat to snap into the mechanism 
reliably, and I didn't get any noticeable feedback when I was successful. 
So I alternated between repeated failures to snap in/thinking I'd 
successfully snapped in, only to find my foot flying free off the 
pedal/thinking I'd failed, only to find that my foot was unexpectedly 
attached to the pedal. This gave me much *agita*.

I then tried Crank Brothers pedals, and they were in my sweet spot. I've 
been riding CBs (Candys, the long-discontinued Quatros; if anybody's got 
Quatros to sell, hit me up) on my daily rider/pack mule (Raleigh 
International>Trek 720 touring) ever since. I find them easy to 
engage/disengage, and I feel a definitive SNAP when the cleat locks into 
the pedal, I also like having a little float, which CB provides. Plus, you 
can snap into Crank Brothers from either side, since the mechanism engages 
on all four of its faces. I have found that I can snap the spring holding 
the bits of the engagement mechanism in place, so I've got a couple of dead 
Quatros lying around. I haven't figured out how to disassemble the pedal so 
it's rebuildable; if I could do that, I could cannibalize the spring out of 
one pedal to rehab another.

My advice is to start with SPD, for Greg's reasons. If they don't work, 
there are a lot of other options, each of which looks/feels different. 
Figure out what it was that didn't work for you on the SPDs, and let that 
guide you to one of the other candidates (CB, Time, Speedplay etc.). If 
none of your available clipless options work for you, platforms are fine - 
with or without toeclips/straps.

Practice on a lawn; you'll fall down a lot at first. Most clipless newbies 
are nervous about disengaging at speed, but that almost never happens. 
You're most likely to fall over when you're going slow, or when you're 
stopping, especially of you have to stop suddenly and your instinct to 
disengage doesn't kick in fast enough to get a foot down. The half-dozen or 
so times I've fallen while cleated in have all been at red lights that had 
just turned as I approached. Since I was going slow when I fell, I mostly 
felt embarrassed, clumsy and stupid, rather than panicked. Passersby asked 
if I was OK, but I wasn't; I'd just bike-doofused in front of witnesses 

Peter "pride goeth right when you fall down" Adler
Berkeley, CA/USA

On Wednesday, February 22, 2023 at 8:50:51 PM UTC-8 Greg J wrote:
SPDs are ubiquitous, and you can find them for nearly free (for example, I 
have a couple of old but functional sets that I can send at cost, but I 
have no spare cleats).  If you like them generally, but find that they are 
lacking in some respect, then you can try the variations on the theme 
(eggbeaters, speedplay, road pedals, time, etc.), which all try to address 
some aspect of the clipless systems (float, platform size, weight, release 
mechanism, etc.).  Or if you decide that they're not worth the hype, then 
there you go.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Pedal Question

[Greg J]

SPDs are ubiquitous, and you can find them for nearly free (for example, I 
have a couple of old but functional sets that I can send at cost, but I 
have no spare cleats).  If you like them generally, but find that they are 
lacking in some respect, then you can try the variations on the theme 
(eggbeaters, speedplay, road pedals, time, etc.), which all try to address 
some aspect of the clipless systems (float, platform size, weight, release 
mechanism, etc.).  Or if you decide that they're not worth the hype, then 
there you go.

Greg
Oakland CA

On Wednesday, February 22, 2023 at 7:19:57 PM UTC-8 Philip Williamson wrote:

> I'm also Team Platform, and would recommend SPDs for a beginner into the 
> clipless pedal world. 
> I did ride Eggbeaters for several years, and made skateboard pedal decks 
> to turn them into platforms. It turned out I never ever rode without them, 
> so I just bought some platform pedals and donated or sold my eggbeaters. 
> One set of skatedecks is hanging above my tool bench as a "hey I did that," 
> but I'm not interested in riding clipless. If my riding changes to big 
> jumps offroad, I'd revisit SPDs. 
>
> Philip 
> Sonoma County, Calif 
>
> On Sunday, February 19, 2023 at 10:05:09 PM UTC-8 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>
>> Platforms > clipless IMO. I’ve ridden both and like less hassle and fewer 
>> impediments to hopping on a bike. Should you not wish to listen to a 
>> stranger on the Internet and wish to go full steam ahead, I suggest SPDs 
>> especially since, were one to break out on the road, replacement cleats or 
>> screws are readily available at most LBSs. Many other clipless pedal 
>> options are not. 
>>
>> On Sunday, February 19, 2023 at 11:46:09 AM UTC-8 Josiah Anderson wrote:
>>
>>> I agree with Ted, clipless pedals are not useful for most of the riding 
>>> I do. That riding consists of commuting, trail riding, long and fast-ish 
>>> road rides, and both paved and off-road touring. The only time I still use 
>>> clipless pedals is for racing (which I do just a little of); platforms are 
>>> much better the rest of the time. Maybe I don't care about foot attachment 
>>> as much as some people, considering that I'm also a telemark skier, but I 
>>> think having your foot solidly attached is overrated. I think a lot of the 
>>> time people do it because they feel like they have to or it's what everyone 
>>> else is doing, even when there's not a good reason to- that was me for 
>>> years before I realized how good flat pedals are. Getting a nice pair of 
>>> pedals helped too- I got a good deal on some thin Crank Brothers platforms 
>>> with good spikes and nice bearings and they made me like flat pedals a lot 
>>> more.
>>>
>>> That being said, if you really want to try clipless pedals, I recommend 
>>> Time ATACs. They're the only clipless pedals I've used for the last few 
>>> years after moving away from SPDs and (eewww) Look road pedals, and I like 
>>> them for the float and the reasonably supportive pedal body as well as for 
>>> their performance in muddy conditions (I do race some cyclocross). SPDs 
>>> work fine too though, and maybe cheaper and easier to find.
>>>
>>> Josiah Anderson
>>> Missoula, MT
>>>
>>> Le dim. 19 févr. 2023 à 07:22, Ted Durant  a écrit :
>>>
 On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 9:17:48 AM UTC-5 Dick Pahle wrote:
 trust  its ok to ask for product recomendation here. been riding with 
 toe clips forever and ready to switch to clipless. anyone here have 
 thoughts about a good pedal for a beginner. something easy to get in and 
 out of. i get indegestion looking at all the different kinds/styles/types. 

 Okay, I'll be the first to say it ... don't bother! I use Crank 
 Brothers eggbeater pedals on most of my bikes, and I'm about to put some 
 flat pedals on one of my regulars and do a fair amount of riding without 
 bindings to see if I really still want them. I started going down the 
 no-binding path a while ago, but much of my riding was commuting and I 
 actually liked bindings for being able to accelerate quickly in traffic. 
 If 
 I was doing any group riding, I'd still want them, and for that reason 
 even 
 if I ditch the eggbeaters for most of my bikes, I will still keep them on 
 my "group ride" bike (my Riv Road). 

 That said, I've been very happy with eggbeaters because 1) they're 
 super easy entry and exit (as long as you replace the cleats regularly), 
 2) 
 low profile cleats with lots of walkable shoe options, 3)there's no 
 tension 
 adjustment required and the shoe-cleat-pedal interface is secure as long 
 as 
 you replace the cleats regularly and use shims as needed, 4) choice of 
 fixed or floating cleats (I prefer fixed), 5) no extra weight. You do want 
 shoes with fairly stiff soles, because the pedal itself offers no support. 
 On the down side, they don't have a flat/binding two-sided option, 

Re: [RBW] Re: Pedal Question

[Philip Williamson]

I'm also Team Platform, and would recommend SPDs for a beginner into the 
clipless pedal world. 
I did ride Eggbeaters for several years, and made skateboard pedal decks to 
turn them into platforms. It turned out I never ever rode without them, so 
I just bought some platform pedals and donated or sold my eggbeaters. One 
set of skatedecks is hanging above my tool bench as a "hey I did that," but 
I'm not interested in riding clipless. If my riding changes to big jumps 
offroad, I'd revisit SPDs. 

Philip 
Sonoma County, Calif 

On Sunday, February 19, 2023 at 10:05:09 PM UTC-8 Luke Hendrickson wrote:

> Platforms > clipless IMO. I’ve ridden both and like less hassle and fewer 
> impediments to hopping on a bike. Should you not wish to listen to a 
> stranger on the Internet and wish to go full steam ahead, I suggest SPDs 
> especially since, were one to break out on the road, replacement cleats or 
> screws are readily available at most LBSs. Many other clipless pedal 
> options are not. 
>
> On Sunday, February 19, 2023 at 11:46:09 AM UTC-8 Josiah Anderson wrote:
>
>> I agree with Ted, clipless pedals are not useful for most of the riding I 
>> do. That riding consists of commuting, trail riding, long and fast-ish road 
>> rides, and both paved and off-road touring. The only time I still use 
>> clipless pedals is for racing (which I do just a little of); platforms are 
>> much better the rest of the time. Maybe I don't care about foot attachment 
>> as much as some people, considering that I'm also a telemark skier, but I 
>> think having your foot solidly attached is overrated. I think a lot of the 
>> time people do it because they feel like they have to or it's what everyone 
>> else is doing, even when there's not a good reason to- that was me for 
>> years before I realized how good flat pedals are. Getting a nice pair of 
>> pedals helped too- I got a good deal on some thin Crank Brothers platforms 
>> with good spikes and nice bearings and they made me like flat pedals a lot 
>> more.
>>
>> That being said, if you really want to try clipless pedals, I recommend 
>> Time ATACs. They're the only clipless pedals I've used for the last few 
>> years after moving away from SPDs and (eewww) Look road pedals, and I like 
>> them for the float and the reasonably supportive pedal body as well as for 
>> their performance in muddy conditions (I do race some cyclocross). SPDs 
>> work fine too though, and maybe cheaper and easier to find.
>>
>> Josiah Anderson
>> Missoula, MT
>>
>> Le dim. 19 févr. 2023 à 07:22, Ted Durant  a écrit :
>>
>>> On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 9:17:48 AM UTC-5 Dick Pahle wrote:
>>> trust  its ok to ask for product recomendation here. been riding with 
>>> toe clips forever and ready to switch to clipless. anyone here have 
>>> thoughts about a good pedal for a beginner. something easy to get in and 
>>> out of. i get indegestion looking at all the different kinds/styles/types. 
>>>
>>> Okay, I'll be the first to say it ... don't bother! I use Crank Brothers 
>>> eggbeater pedals on most of my bikes, and I'm about to put some flat pedals 
>>> on one of my regulars and do a fair amount of riding without bindings to 
>>> see if I really still want them. I started going down the no-binding path a 
>>> while ago, but much of my riding was commuting and I actually liked 
>>> bindings for being able to accelerate quickly in traffic. If I was doing 
>>> any group riding, I'd still want them, and for that reason even if I ditch 
>>> the eggbeaters for most of my bikes, I will still keep them on my "group 
>>> ride" bike (my Riv Road). 
>>>
>>> That said, I've been very happy with eggbeaters because 1) they're super 
>>> easy entry and exit (as long as you replace the cleats regularly), 2) low 
>>> profile cleats with lots of walkable shoe options, 3)there's no tension 
>>> adjustment required and the shoe-cleat-pedal interface is secure as long as 
>>> you replace the cleats regularly and use shims as needed, 4) choice of 
>>> fixed or floating cleats (I prefer fixed), 5) no extra weight. You do want 
>>> shoes with fairly stiff soles, because the pedal itself offers no support. 
>>> On the down side, they don't have a flat/binding two-sided option, but that 
>>> hasn't been an issue for me. I have a box full of old Shimano pedals and 
>>> cleats. I could never get happy with the shoe-cleat-pedal interface, it was 
>>> always too loose and wobbly or too hard to release.
>>>
>>> Ted Durant
>>> Milwaukee WI USA
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Pedal Question

[Luke Hendrickson]

Platforms > clipless IMO. I’ve ridden both and like less hassle and fewer 
impediments to hopping on a bike. Should you not wish to listen to a 
stranger on the Internet and wish to go full steam ahead, I suggest SPDs 
especially since, were one to break out on the road, replacement cleats or 
screws are readily available at most LBSs. Many other clipless pedal 
options are not. 

On Sunday, February 19, 2023 at 11:46:09 AM UTC-8 Josiah Anderson wrote:

> I agree with Ted, clipless pedals are not useful for most of the riding I 
> do. That riding consists of commuting, trail riding, long and fast-ish road 
> rides, and both paved and off-road touring. The only time I still use 
> clipless pedals is for racing (which I do just a little of); platforms are 
> much better the rest of the time. Maybe I don't care about foot attachment 
> as much as some people, considering that I'm also a telemark skier, but I 
> think having your foot solidly attached is overrated. I think a lot of the 
> time people do it because they feel like they have to or it's what everyone 
> else is doing, even when there's not a good reason to- that was me for 
> years before I realized how good flat pedals are. Getting a nice pair of 
> pedals helped too- I got a good deal on some thin Crank Brothers platforms 
> with good spikes and nice bearings and they made me like flat pedals a lot 
> more.
>
> That being said, if you really want to try clipless pedals, I recommend 
> Time ATACs. They're the only clipless pedals I've used for the last few 
> years after moving away from SPDs and (eewww) Look road pedals, and I like 
> them for the float and the reasonably supportive pedal body as well as for 
> their performance in muddy conditions (I do race some cyclocross). SPDs 
> work fine too though, and maybe cheaper and easier to find.
>
> Josiah Anderson
> Missoula, MT
>
> Le dim. 19 févr. 2023 à 07:22, Ted Durant  a écrit :
>
>> On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 9:17:48 AM UTC-5 Dick Pahle wrote:
>> trust  its ok to ask for product recomendation here. been riding with toe 
>> clips forever and ready to switch to clipless. anyone here have thoughts 
>> about a good pedal for a beginner. something easy to get in and out of. i 
>> get indegestion looking at all the different kinds/styles/types. 
>>
>> Okay, I'll be the first to say it ... don't bother! I use Crank Brothers 
>> eggbeater pedals on most of my bikes, and I'm about to put some flat pedals 
>> on one of my regulars and do a fair amount of riding without bindings to 
>> see if I really still want them. I started going down the no-binding path a 
>> while ago, but much of my riding was commuting and I actually liked 
>> bindings for being able to accelerate quickly in traffic. If I was doing 
>> any group riding, I'd still want them, and for that reason even if I ditch 
>> the eggbeaters for most of my bikes, I will still keep them on my "group 
>> ride" bike (my Riv Road). 
>>
>> That said, I've been very happy with eggbeaters because 1) they're super 
>> easy entry and exit (as long as you replace the cleats regularly), 2) low 
>> profile cleats with lots of walkable shoe options, 3)there's no tension 
>> adjustment required and the shoe-cleat-pedal interface is secure as long as 
>> you replace the cleats regularly and use shims as needed, 4) choice of 
>> fixed or floating cleats (I prefer fixed), 5) no extra weight. You do want 
>> shoes with fairly stiff soles, because the pedal itself offers no support. 
>> On the down side, they don't have a flat/binding two-sided option, but that 
>> hasn't been an issue for me. I have a box full of old Shimano pedals and 
>> cleats. I could never get happy with the shoe-cleat-pedal interface, it was 
>> always too loose and wobbly or too hard to release.
>>
>> Ted Durant
>> Milwaukee WI USA
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Pedal Question

[Josiah Anderson]

I agree with Ted, clipless pedals are not useful for most of the riding I
do. That riding consists of commuting, trail riding, long and fast-ish road
rides, and both paved and off-road touring. The only time I still use
clipless pedals is for racing (which I do just a little of); platforms are
much better the rest of the time. Maybe I don't care about foot attachment
as much as some people, considering that I'm also a telemark skier, but I
think having your foot solidly attached is overrated. I think a lot of the
time people do it because they feel like they have to or it's what everyone
else is doing, even when there's not a good reason to- that was me for
years before I realized how good flat pedals are. Getting a nice pair of
pedals helped too- I got a good deal on some thin Crank Brothers platforms
with good spikes and nice bearings and they made me like flat pedals a lot
more.

That being said, if you really want to try clipless pedals, I recommend
Time ATACs. They're the only clipless pedals I've used for the last few
years after moving away from SPDs and (eewww) Look road pedals, and I like
them for the float and the reasonably supportive pedal body as well as for
their performance in muddy conditions (I do race some cyclocross). SPDs
work fine too though, and maybe cheaper and easier to find.

Josiah Anderson
Missoula, MT

Le dim. 19 févr. 2023 à 07:22, Ted Durant  a écrit :

> On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 9:17:48 AM UTC-5 Dick Pahle wrote:
> trust  its ok to ask for product recomendation here. been riding with toe
> clips forever and ready to switch to clipless. anyone here have thoughts
> about a good pedal for a beginner. something easy to get in and out of. i
> get indegestion looking at all the different kinds/styles/types.
>
> Okay, I'll be the first to say it ... don't bother! I use Crank Brothers
> eggbeater pedals on most of my bikes, and I'm about to put some flat pedals
> on one of my regulars and do a fair amount of riding without bindings to
> see if I really still want them. I started going down the no-binding path a
> while ago, but much of my riding was commuting and I actually liked
> bindings for being able to accelerate quickly in traffic. If I was doing
> any group riding, I'd still want them, and for that reason even if I ditch
> the eggbeaters for most of my bikes, I will still keep them on my "group
> ride" bike (my Riv Road).
>
> That said, I've been very happy with eggbeaters because 1) they're super
> easy entry and exit (as long as you replace the cleats regularly), 2) low
> profile cleats with lots of walkable shoe options, 3)there's no tension
> adjustment required and the shoe-cleat-pedal interface is secure as long as
> you replace the cleats regularly and use shims as needed, 4) choice of
> fixed or floating cleats (I prefer fixed), 5) no extra weight. You do want
> shoes with fairly stiff soles, because the pedal itself offers no support.
> On the down side, they don't have a flat/binding two-sided option, but that
> hasn't been an issue for me. I have a box full of old Shimano pedals and
> cleats. I could never get happy with the shoe-cleat-pedal interface, it was
> always too loose and wobbly or too hard to release.
>
> Ted Durant
> Milwaukee WI USA
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[RBW] Re: Pedal Question

[Ted Durant]

On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 9:17:48 AM UTC-5 Dick Pahle wrote:
trust  its ok to ask for product recomendation here. been riding with toe 
clips forever and ready to switch to clipless. anyone here have thoughts 
about a good pedal for a beginner. something easy to get in and out of. i 
get indegestion looking at all the different kinds/styles/types. 

Okay, I'll be the first to say it ... don't bother! I use Crank Brothers 
eggbeater pedals on most of my bikes, and I'm about to put some flat pedals 
on one of my regulars and do a fair amount of riding without bindings to 
see if I really still want them. I started going down the no-binding path a 
while ago, but much of my riding was commuting and I actually liked 
bindings for being able to accelerate quickly in traffic. If I was doing 
any group riding, I'd still want them, and for that reason even if I ditch 
the eggbeaters for most of my bikes, I will still keep them on my "group 
ride" bike (my Riv Road). 

That said, I've been very happy with eggbeaters because 1) they're super 
easy entry and exit (as long as you replace the cleats regularly), 2) low 
profile cleats with lots of walkable shoe options, 3)there's no tension 
adjustment required and the shoe-cleat-pedal interface is secure as long as 
you replace the cleats regularly and use shims as needed, 4) choice of 
fixed or floating cleats (I prefer fixed), 5) no extra weight. You do want 
shoes with fairly stiff soles, because the pedal itself offers no support. 
On the down side, they don't have a flat/binding two-sided option, but that 
hasn't been an issue for me. I have a box full of old Shimano pedals and 
cleats. I could never get happy with the shoe-cleat-pedal interface, it was 
always too loose and wobbly or too hard to release.

Ted Durant
Milwaukee WI USA

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