[RBW] Re: Phil Wood bottom bracket, complete, and tools
Sold! On Monday, December 10, 2018 at 9:20:16 AM UTC-5, stevef wrote: > > I have for sale a Phil Wood bottom bracket spindle, steel, 108mm length, > with stainless steel, English threaded rings, polished press-in mud guards, > and a pair of installation tools. I had this installed on my Rambouillet > for a number of years but it still spins smoothly and has no play. Good > stuff. Mud guards show some sign of rub. It's not bad, maybe something > got stuck in there for a bit because I can't believe the cranks rubbed for > the entire time I had the thing. $80 shipped in conti-US, or make me an > offer! > > Thanks, Steve Frederick, East Lansing, MI > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Phil Wood Bottom Bracket
I have a Phil BB on my Rambouillet that I purchased in 05. It's never been touched. Last weekend on a long ride it started clicking. I don't feel anything - just an annoying cricket-like sound on every stroke. I've never had a BB go bad before and most of my experience has been with old fashion Campy BB's. Is this sound a sign that the bearings are shot? George S On Feb 6, 2:35 pm, MichaelH mhech...@gmail.com wrote: I don't remember seeing this on the Phil Wood Web site, nor the required tool. If it's that critical Phil ought to be selling a simple tool to check it. What about other cartridge bb, like White or King? Do they have the same sensitivities? Michael Westford, Vt On Feb 6, 10:20 am, John McMurry johnmcmu...@gmail.com wrote: Peter White has said before that premature failure of a Phil bottom bracket is due to the bottom bracket shell threads not being aligned. Here's an excerpt from one of these discussions: For a Phil Wood BB to last, the frame's BB threads must be chased with a tool that indexes one side of the shell with the other so that the threads on each side share a common axis. Campagnolo and a few other companies make tooling that, when used properly, ensures that the threading is correct, and then, and only then, will you get the full life of the Phil Wood bearings. from here: http://search.bikelist.org/getmsg.asp?Filename=touring.10709.0545.eml Makes sense to me. John McMurry Burlington, VT --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Phil Wood Bottom Bracket
What is it about Phil BBs that, when cranked down hard they fail, yet Shimano BBs (UNxx) when cranked down hard are fine? Does Shimano have this little feature under patent? Bob --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Phil Wood Bottom Bracket
Peter White has said before that premature failure of a Phil bottom bracket is due to the bottom bracket shell threads not being aligned. Here's an excerpt from one of these discussions: For a Phil Wood BB to last, the frame's BB threads must be chased with a tool that indexes one side of the shell with the other so that the threads on each side share a common axis. Campagnolo and a few other companies make tooling that, when used properly, ensures that the threading is correct, and then, and only then, will you get the full life of the Phil Wood bearings. from here: http://search.bikelist.org/getmsg.asp?Filename=touring.10709.0545.eml Makes sense to me. John McMurry Burlington, VT --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Phil Wood Bottom Bracket
On Fri, 2009-02-06 at 06:38 -0800, JoelMatthews wrote: Before I've used the old fashioned kind with annual cleaning re-packing with Phil's grease (really sticky stuff; does not wash out), have never had any problem. I have 20+ year old BBs that are still good. 7K seems low unless it's seen very tough service - lots of water, grit, off-road. Slightly OT, but this touches on something that really caught my eye at the Antbike sight: http://www.flickr.com/photos/antbikemike/3239939188/ Mike has the new Boston Roadster - top tube and mixte (although he rather charmingly refers to them as gents and ladies) prototypes ready for NAHBS. Note he is using good old fashioned American Style one piece cranks. They add a little weight no doubt. But for daily commuting and around town use, the durability and ease of maintenance is a real positive. I imagine Mike will get some push back on that and the coaster brake. I think both are splendid. I would not be surprised to learn Riv's Taiwan manufacturer makes similar bikes for the Taiwan and other Asian markets. I think a Hilbourne set up with similar features would be a swell commuter. Mike writes about that bike on his blog: http://antbikemike.wordpress.com/2009/01/17/website-and-old-email-down/ It's going to be reviewed by Bicycling magazine in the May 2009 issue. If you look at the flickr site you might notice, both bikes feature Velo Orange saddles. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Phil Wood Bottom Bracket
this has also happened to me. twice. first time, i thought maybe the bb shell wasn't properly machined, so I had the threads chased and made sure that would no longer be an issue. the second time I detected premature wear (same bike/bb shell), the advice I got regarding installation was to tighten the cups down as one normally would, then back them off 1/8 of a turn - this kind of confirms Jim's suspicion about a too tight installation. in any event, there's no doubt that they are great bb's when installed just right. but it has to be *just* right. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Phil Wood Bottom Bracket
I will have break down and finally buy a Bicycling Magazine again. Been years. Thanks for pointing out the saddles are VO. I did not look closely and just assumed they were Brooks. I understand Mike is working hard to keep the price below $2k. VO saddles fit the bill. A Hillbourne similarly kitted might come in a little above. But it would be a fun bike. I think Mike would appreciate the mimicry, as his main focus is to get people using bikes every day, even if they are not his. On Feb 6, 9:39 am, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Fri, 2009-02-06 at 06:38 -0800, JoelMatthews wrote: Before I've used the old fashioned kind with annual cleaning re-packing with Phil's grease (really sticky stuff; does not wash out), have never had any problem. I have 20+ year old BBs that are still good. 7K seems low unless it's seen very tough service - lots of water, grit, off-road. Slightly OT, but this touches on something that really caught my eye at the Antbike sight: http://www.flickr.com/photos/antbikemike/3239939188/ Mike has the new Boston Roadster - top tube and mixte (although he rather charmingly refers to them as gents and ladies) prototypes ready for NAHBS. Note he is using good old fashioned American Style one piece cranks. They add a little weight no doubt. But for daily commuting and around town use, the durability and ease of maintenance is a real positive. I imagine Mike will get some push back on that and the coaster brake. I think both are splendid. I would not be surprised to learn Riv's Taiwan manufacturer makes similar bikes for the Taiwan and other Asian markets. I think a Hilbourne set up with similar features would be a swell commuter. Mike writes about that bike on his blog:http://antbikemike.wordpress.com/2009/01/17/website-and-old-email-down/ It's going to be reviewed by Bicycling magazine in the May 2009 issue. If you look at the flickr site you might notice, both bikes feature Velo Orange saddles.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Phil Wood Bottom Bracket
This has happened to me (on my canti-rom, coincidentally), and now I favor Shimano UN-54 BBs, which tend to last a long time. I can get six of those for the price of one Phil. Just the Phil replacement bearings cost more than the Shimano BB, so I can't quite understand the long- term value of spending the extra dough on the Phil BB. Phil includes a little bottle of thread adhesive with their BB rings. If you use grease on the threads instead of thread-adhesive, which is a tempting shortcut, the BB will eventually loosen up unless you really torque it down. My suspicion is that having it installed too tightly stresses the bearings such that they wear prematurely. On Feb 5, 10:13 pm, Ralph Rognstad Jr. rognsta...@sbcglobal.net wrote: I am overhauling my Canti Rom to get ready for the brevet season and have found that the bearings in the bottom bracket are shot. I only put about 7,000 miles on it over the last two seasons. I did have several long rides in pouring rain. Is this typical or should I have gotten more miles out of it? My LBS is in the process of talking to Phil Wood. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Phil Wood Bottom Bracket
I don't remember seeing this on the Phil Wood Web site, nor the required tool. If it's that critical Phil ought to be selling a simple tool to check it. What about other cartridge bb, like White or King? Do they have the same sensitivities? Michael Westford, Vt On Feb 6, 10:20 am, John McMurry johnmcmu...@gmail.com wrote: Peter White has said before that premature failure of a Phil bottom bracket is due to the bottom bracket shell threads not being aligned. Here's an excerpt from one of these discussions: For a Phil Wood BB to last, the frame's BB threads must be chased with a tool that indexes one side of the shell with the other so that the threads on each side share a common axis. Campagnolo and a few other companies make tooling that, when used properly, ensures that the threading is correct, and then, and only then, will you get the full life of the Phil Wood bearings. from here: http://search.bikelist.org/getmsg.asp?Filename=touring.10709.0545.eml Makes sense to me. John McMurry Burlington, VT --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Phil Wood Bottom Bracket
I've never had this problem, but then I've not put more than about 2-3K miles on the ones mounted on production frames. (One was already very old when I installed it.) As for the Phils on the 2 custom Rivs, one has ~ 5500 miles and the other ~9,500, and both feel as they did when new. The third: I forget how many, but it was on a Waterford Riv and racked up many good miles without problem. The other chichi bbs I used -- Sampson, Am Classic, Grafton, Syncros, at least one other whose name I forget but Perf sold it for a while -- did not call for this task in their instructions; and again, no problems, at least in 2-3K miles. So, I expect this is one of those situations where half the user population had problems while the other half did not. Thank God I seem to fall into the latter category. On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 1:35 PM, MichaelH mhech...@gmail.com wrote: I don't remember seeing this on the Phil Wood Web site, nor the required tool. If it's that critical Phil ought to be selling a simple tool to check it. What about other cartridge bb, like White or King? Do they have the same sensitivities? Michael Westford, Vt On Feb 6, 10:20 am, John McMurry johnmcmu...@gmail.com wrote: Peter White has said before that premature failure of a Phil bottom bracket is due to the bottom bracket shell threads not being aligned. Here's an excerpt from one of these discussions: For a Phil Wood BB to last, the frame's BB threads must be chased with a tool that indexes one side of the shell with the other so that the threads on each side share a common axis. Campagnolo and a few other companies make tooling that, when used properly, ensures that the threading is correct, and then, and only then, will you get the full life of the Phil Wood bearings. from here: http://search.bikelist.org/getmsg.asp?Filename=touring.10709.0545.eml Makes sense to me. John McMurry Burlington, VT --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
