Pondering no more. Keeping both bikes, however this process relieved the
'preciousness' of the Redwood and I think I'm going to to get canti studs
added for 650b. Then I'll really be set... for now.
David
On Thursday, August 6, 2020 at 12:59:32 PM UTC-5, David B wrote:
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> I've had lofty goals
Thanks a bunch. I'll give it some more thought.
On Saturday, August 8, 2020 at 9:47:33 PM UTC-4, David B wrote:
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> 78mm drop on the Redwood. Works fine with 47mm tires. Likely fine with
> 42mm and 170mm cranks. I wouldn't go with smaller tires than that though.
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This is what I suggested he do for the Clem, which is similar to the
Bombora in terms of range-- a wheelset with some skinny 48mm Switchbacks
for the pack training ride, then pop on the set with 2.6" knobbies for
hitting the woods. Best to have rims with same width and brakes set up to
open
I fully understand the desire to consolidate, but there's a reason you have a
Redwood & a Clem in the first place & that reason is still valid. If you have
the space & you don't need the money then I would stand pat & possibly tweak
both bikes to further distinguish them from each other.
Seems
I’m a maximalist. My custom go-many-places road bike has 58mm G-Ones. However,
45mm tires work the same everywhere I ride. I ride with people on 48mm tires on
the same terrain, so it’s not just me. It’s like quartz vs marble countertops -
the quartz is supposedly more durable and stain
Maths may be tricky but "half the area difference" isn't an imaginary
number.
On 8/10/20 2:20 PM, William deRosset wrote:
Hi, All,
I apologize for comparing a 47-584 to a 2.2" tire vs the 2.1"
described. Maths is tricky!
47mm to 53-584 is about 1.27X by area, a little more than half the
Hi, All,
I apologize for comparing a 47-584 to a 2.2" tire vs the 2.1" described.
Maths is tricky!
47mm to 53-584 is about 1.27X by area, a little more than half the area
difference between a 23 and a 28-622 tire area.
Best Regards,
Will
On Monday, August 10, 2020 at 12:15:21 PM UTC-6,
Dear Steve,
47 to 55-584 is is about 1.37X by area and 1.38X by volume.
Compare to a 23mm to 28-622 tire 1.48X by area and 1.5X by volume. I
definitely notice the difference between a 23 and a 28, and between a 28
and a 32 (using the same tire casing and adjusting the tire pressure as
Dear David,
The least expensive thing to do is to double your money: fold it in half
and put it back in your pocket, and you have two lovely bikes there. I'd
suggest you resist the urge to shuffle bikes just 'cause.
If it is a vote, I'd go with the following process:
1. What bike that you
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In looking for Toyo or Waterford Atlantis geometries, I happened upon the
geometry for the first version of the Clem Smith Jr, which I have.
Geometry-wise it's pretty much the same as the Appaloosa with a couple
minor differences.
Pertinents below:
Clem (59cm first version)
HTA/STA - 71.5/71.5
78mm drop on the Redwood. Works fine with 47mm tires. Likely fine with 42mm
and 170mm cranks. I wouldn't go with smaller tires than that though.
On Saturday, August 8, 2020 at 10:47:15 AM UTC-5, Andy Beichler wrote:
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> What is the bottom bracket drop on your Redwood? Was that built before
>
Good to know! Thanks!
On Saturday, August 8, 2020 at 5:50:02 AM UTC-5, brendonoid wrote:
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> I managed to fit 2.1 knobbies (smart sams) with fenders on a 58cm
> Appaloosa just to help out here.
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> On Friday, 7 August 2020 at 02:45:13 UTC+8 Ginz wrote:
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>> Can the Appaoosa give you 2.1" tires
That might just be the ticket! Anyone have a 66cm Toyo Atlantis?
On Friday, August 7, 2020 at 10:20:22 PM UTC-5, Reid Echols wrote:
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> Keep them all, and buy a 66cm Toyo Atlantis to boot. Or if you want just
> one, the Atlantis is hard to beat.
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> Reid in Austin
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The Clem certainly is the most versatile and I'd be more inclined to load
up this one for camping trips vs the Redwood. I have 2.1" Thunderburts
right now which are a pretty sweet spot, but lots of options.
On Friday, August 7, 2020 at 2:57:22 PM UTC-5, Mark Roland wrote:
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> Those are some
I don't disagree with this in practice - and certainly 47mm is enough for
trails - so I'm leaning towards trying out some semi-knobby 47mm 650b
tires. This might be the first step and see which bike I prefer.
On Friday, August 7, 2020 at 2:03:02 PM UTC-5, Jason Fuller wrote:
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> While I should
Personally, I think you've got all the of the bases covered with the two
frames you already own. That Redwood is super cool and even though it goes
against your "a bike is just a bike" ethos, I think the fact that you've
imbued some of your own personality and tweaked it to fit your needs
What is the bottom bracket drop on your Redwood? Was that built before
Rivendell started using 80 mm of drop for frames? I have an 84 Paramount
touring with 80mm of drop and have played with the idea of putting 650b on
it. I have never made any moves to make it happen due to the bb drop but
I managed to fit 2.1 knobbies (smart sams) with fenders on a 58cm Appaloosa
just to help out here.
On Friday, 7 August 2020 at 02:45:13 UTC+8 Ginz wrote:
> Can the Appaoosa give you 2.1" tires plus fenders? Or do you need an
> Atlantis for that? The biggest question is can you setup one
Those are some excellent examples there, Steve. Thanks for doing the work!
I'm trying to eliminate bikes too. I kind of am, but they seem to be
getting replaced with Rivendells. All of the Hillibike variety, which I
feel is hard to come by anywhere else. I like the utility and the fun of
the
That is some poor math there, Steve, and I don't see why you need to be so
argumentative. Comparing 23 and 28 is over 20% difference in width. The
difference from 47mm to 52mm is about a 10% difference in width, and both
are well into the "can handle any surface" size territory. "Whopping
On 8/7/20 3:03 PM, Jason Fuller wrote:
While I should take my own advice when I say this, I think the
difference between 47c and 2.1" is almost all in one's head
The difference between 47 mm ( "47c" is fingernails screeching on a
blackboard) and 2.1" is a whopping 5.3mm. 5.3mm is more
While I should take my own advice when I say this, I think the difference
between 47c and 2.1" is almost all in one's head and you'll be able to ride
either tire in basically any of the same situations and the bike will do
the job. That Redwood looks great and seems like a perfect all-rounder
If you ever changed your mind, the Redwood would be the hardest to buy
again, so if it were me, I would keep the Redwood. And I wish I had an
Appaloosa, so I would opt for (6) sell Clem, keep Redwood, and buy an
Appaloosa.
On Thursday, August 6, 2020 at 10:59:32 AM UTC-7 David B wrote:
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Can the Appaoosa give you 2.1" tires plus fenders? Or do you need an
Atlantis for that? The biggest question is can you setup one bike with
both Albatross and drops and be happy? Will have to do the zero CM stem
thing and will you be happy with that?
If you can be ok with the 47mm tires,
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