Re: [RBW] Re: Richard Sachs on the original Riv lugs

[James Warren]

Probably one of the last frames made with the original Riv lugs!


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> On Apr 25, 2016, at 1:10 PM, Esteban  wrote:
> 
> My '99 coupled Road Custom:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Monday, April 25, 2016 at 8:33:06 AM UTC-7, Jeremy Till wrote:
>> Richard Sachs posted a short little description today of how the original 
>> Rivendell lugs came into being.  Turns out Grant commissioned them while he 
>> was still at Bridgestone, but Bridgestone USA closed before they were used:  
>> 
>> http://www.richardsachs.com/site/2016/04/25/the-linger-commission/
>> 
>> Also a cool photo of the prototype HT/DT lug. Supposedly the protos were 
>> hand carved from french blanks (thus would need metric tubing) and have 
>> extremely wonky angles, so according to RS they can't really be used to make 
>> a bike.  All the same, I wonder what such a bike would look like!
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[RBW] Re: Richard Sachs on the original Riv lugs

[Esteban]

Sorry - I should have said this is by Joe Stark

On Monday, April 25, 2016 at 1:10:44 PM UTC-7, Esteban wrote:
>
> My '99 coupled Road Custom:
>
>
> 
>
>
> On Monday, April 25, 2016 at 8:33:06 AM UTC-7, Jeremy Till wrote:
>>
>> Richard Sachs posted a short little description today of how the original 
>> Rivendell lugs came into being.  Turns out Grant commissioned them while he 
>> was still at Bridgestone, but Bridgestone USA closed before they were used: 
>>  
>>
>> http://www.richardsachs.com/site/2016/04/25/the-linger-commission/
>>
>> Also a cool photo of the prototype HT/DT lug. Supposedly the protos were 
>> hand carved from french blanks (thus would need metric tubing) and have 
>> extremely wonky angles, so according to RS they can't really be used to 
>> make a bike.  All the same, I wonder what such a bike would look like!
>>
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[RBW] Re: Richard Sachs on the original Riv lugs

[Esteban]

My '99 coupled Road Custom:




On Monday, April 25, 2016 at 8:33:06 AM UTC-7, Jeremy Till wrote:
>
> Richard Sachs posted a short little description today of how the original 
> Rivendell lugs came into being.  Turns out Grant commissioned them while he 
> was still at Bridgestone, but Bridgestone USA closed before they were used: 
>  
>
> http://www.richardsachs.com/site/2016/04/25/the-linger-commission/
>
> Also a cool photo of the prototype HT/DT lug. Supposedly the protos were 
> hand carved from french blanks (thus would need metric tubing) and have 
> extremely wonky angles, so according to RS they can't really be used to 
> make a bike.  All the same, I wonder what such a bike would look like!
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Richard Sachs

[cyclotourist]

Here is an article I coincidentally stumbled across this weekend from
a 1990 interview. Scanned for your viewing pleasure:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6nHVOVjcpYKSUZvT0tITUZmenVsYWF5dHBLUXk1RnVIT0dB/view


On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 5:37 PM, Michael Flournoy
 wrote:
>
> A few years ago NAHBS was in Richmond where I live and on a lark and knowing
> nothing about Hand Built Bikes I went. In the middle of all these
> beautifully displayed bikes was 4 or 5 red ones covered in mud. So I asked
> the guy standing there " whats up with that? ". And as if he'd never heard
> the question before, he very patiently explained that he wanted to show off
> what they were good for and that they " at least in in his opinion " looked
> best with a little mud honestly earned caked on them. He explained what
> cyclocross was and that you didn't really need a special bike to do it but
> if you could afford it, what the heck why not? A very laid back and genuine
> guy.
>>
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[RBW] Re: Richard Sachs

[Michael Flournoy]

A few years ago NAHBS was in Richmond where I live and on a lark and 
knowing nothing about Hand Built Bikes I went. In the middle of all these 
beautifully displayed bikes was 4 or 5 red ones covered in mud. So I asked 
the guy standing there " whats up with that? ". And as if he'd never heard 
the question before, he very patiently explained that he wanted to show off 
what they were good for and that they " at least in in his opinion " looked 
best with a little mud honestly earned caked on them. He explained what 
cyclocross was and that you didn't really need a special bike to do it but 
if you could afford it, what the heck why not? A very laid back and genuine 
guy.

>
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Richard Sachs

[Joe Bernard]

My favorite Sachsism is when he would offer something for sale: "Please 
reply if you're interesting." ;-)

On Thursday, November 5, 2015 at 10:53:25 PM UTC-8, Evan E. wrote:
>
> If I recall, Richard Sachs doesn't just use "ATMO" as shorthand for 
> "according to my opinion." He also uses it as a period, a comma, an 
> interjection, a pause! Anyway, he certainly makes beautiful and functional 
> bicycles—and he's inspired and helped many, many riders and builders over 
> the years.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Richard Sachs

[Hugh Smitham]

Hahahahaha. Not that strikes me funny.
On Nov 5, 2015 3:42 PM, "Bill Lindsay"  wrote:

> Definition of ATMO 
>
> :-)  :-)
>
>
>
> On Thursday, November 5, 2015 at 3:30:42 PM UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> What the heck does "atmo" mean? He used to pepper his posts with it..now
>> it's on all his tweets.
>>
>> Joe Bernard
>> @josephremib
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 4, 2015 at 3:18:29 PM UTC-8, Eric Norris wrote:
>>
>>> AFAIK, Richard has stopped taking "new" orders for frames. He has a
>>> multi-year backlog that he's working through, and he will do repairs on
>>> existing RS frames, but other than that you won't be able to get a new
>>> frame.
>>>
>>> All in all, a very enviable place for him to be.
>>>
>>> --Eric N
>>> www.CampyOnly.com
>>> CampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com
>>> Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy
>>>
>>> > On Nov 4, 2015, at 1:56 PM, Christopher Murray 
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Seems like an amazing artist and interesting person. I've tried to
>>> order a frame from Sachs over the last 10-15 years and he never seems to be
>>> taking new orders. Maybe my timing is bad? It makes him seem less like
>>> someone who actually makes bikes than this mythical idealized version of
>>> someone who makes bikes. I always think of the old Bridgestone ad about the
>>> metal filings. I think that is how he and Grant met.
>>> >
>>> > Again, seems like a good guy but I'd like him even more if I had one
>>> of his bikes!
>>> >
>>> > Cheers!
>>> > Chris
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Re: [RBW] Re: Richard Sachs

[Joe Bernard]

What the heck does "atmo" mean? He used to pepper his posts with it..now 
it's on all his tweets. 

Joe Bernard
@josephremib

On Wednesday, November 4, 2015 at 3:18:29 PM UTC-8, Eric Norris wrote:

> AFAIK, Richard has stopped taking "new" orders for frames. He has a 
> multi-year backlog that he's working through, and he will do repairs on 
> existing RS frames, but other than that you won't be able to get a new 
> frame. 
>
> All in all, a very enviable place for him to be. 
>
> --Eric N 
> www.CampyOnly.com 
> CampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com 
> Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy 
>
> > On Nov 4, 2015, at 1:56 PM, Christopher Murray  > wrote: 
> > 
> > Seems like an amazing artist and interesting person. I've tried to order 
> a frame from Sachs over the last 10-15 years and he never seems to be 
> taking new orders. Maybe my timing is bad? It makes him seem less like 
> someone who actually makes bikes than this mythical idealized version of 
> someone who makes bikes. I always think of the old Bridgestone ad about the 
> metal filings. I think that is how he and Grant met. 
> > 
> > Again, seems like a good guy but I'd like him even more if I had one of 
> his bikes! 
> > 
> > Cheers! 
> > Chris 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Richard Sachs

[Hugh Smitham]

That's "now" ATMO.
On Nov 5, 2015 3:46 PM, "Hugh Smitham"  wrote:

> Hahahahaha. Not that strikes me funny.
> On Nov 5, 2015 3:42 PM, "Bill Lindsay"  wrote:
>
>> Definition of ATMO 
>>
>> :-)  :-)
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, November 5, 2015 at 3:30:42 PM UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
>>> What the heck does "atmo" mean? He used to pepper his posts with it..now
>>> it's on all his tweets.
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard
>>> @josephremib
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, November 4, 2015 at 3:18:29 PM UTC-8, Eric Norris wrote:
>>>
 AFAIK, Richard has stopped taking "new" orders for frames. He has a
 multi-year backlog that he's working through, and he will do repairs on
 existing RS frames, but other than that you won't be able to get a new
 frame.

 All in all, a very enviable place for him to be.

 --Eric N
 www.CampyOnly.com
 CampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com
 Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy

 > On Nov 4, 2015, at 1:56 PM, Christopher Murray 
 wrote:
 >
 > Seems like an amazing artist and interesting person. I've tried to
 order a frame from Sachs over the last 10-15 years and he never seems to be
 taking new orders. Maybe my timing is bad? It makes him seem less like
 someone who actually makes bikes than this mythical idealized version of
 someone who makes bikes. I always think of the old Bridgestone ad about the
 metal filings. I think that is how he and Grant met.
 >
 > Again, seems like a good guy but I'd like him even more if I had one
 of his bikes!
 >
 > Cheers!
 > Chris
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Re: [RBW] Re: Richard Sachs

[Bill Lindsay]

Definition of ATMO 

:-)  :-)



On Thursday, November 5, 2015 at 3:30:42 PM UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> What the heck does "atmo" mean? He used to pepper his posts with it..now 
> it's on all his tweets. 
>
> Joe Bernard
> @josephremib
>
> On Wednesday, November 4, 2015 at 3:18:29 PM UTC-8, Eric Norris wrote:
>
>> AFAIK, Richard has stopped taking "new" orders for frames. He has a 
>> multi-year backlog that he's working through, and he will do repairs on 
>> existing RS frames, but other than that you won't be able to get a new 
>> frame. 
>>
>> All in all, a very enviable place for him to be. 
>>
>> --Eric N 
>> www.CampyOnly.com 
>> CampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com 
>> Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy 
>>
>> > On Nov 4, 2015, at 1:56 PM, Christopher Murray  
>> wrote: 
>> > 
>> > Seems like an amazing artist and interesting person. I've tried to 
>> order a frame from Sachs over the last 10-15 years and he never seems to be 
>> taking new orders. Maybe my timing is bad? It makes him seem less like 
>> someone who actually makes bikes than this mythical idealized version of 
>> someone who makes bikes. I always think of the old Bridgestone ad about the 
>> metal filings. I think that is how he and Grant met. 
>> > 
>> > Again, seems like a good guy but I'd like him even more if I had one of 
>> his bikes! 
>> > 
>> > Cheers! 
>> > Chris 
>> > 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Richard Sachs

[Evan E.]

If I recall, Richard Sachs doesn't just use "ATMO" as shorthand for 
"according to my opinion." He also uses it as a period, a comma, an 
interjection, a pause! Anyway, he certainly makes beautiful and functional 
bicycles—and he's inspired and helped many, many riders and builders over 
the years.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Richard Sachs

[Joe Bernard]

Yeah, I get I could have Googled it. Having the question asked here where 
others could see the answer seemed more useful/entertaining to me. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Richard Sachs

[Steve Palincsar]

Actually, it stands for "According To My Opinion"

On 11/05/2015 06:41 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote:

Definition of ATMO 

:-)  :-)



On Thursday, November 5, 2015 at 3:30:42 PM UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote:

What the heck does "atmo" mean? He used to pepper his posts with
it..now it's on all his tweets.



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[RBW] Re: Richard Sachs

[Christopher Murray]

Seems like an amazing artist and interesting person. I've tried to order a 
frame from Sachs over the last 10-15 years and he never seems to be taking new 
orders. Maybe my timing is bad? It makes him seem less like someone who 
actually makes bikes than this mythical idealized version of someone who makes 
bikes. I always think of the old Bridgestone ad about the metal filings. I 
think that is how he and Grant met. 

Again, seems like a good guy but I'd like him even more if I had one of his 
bikes!

Cheers!
Chris

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Re: [RBW] Re: Richard Sachs

[Eric Norris]

AFAIK, Richard has stopped taking "new" orders for frames. He has a multi-year 
backlog that he's working through, and he will do repairs on existing RS 
frames, but other than that you won't be able to get a new frame.

All in all, a very enviable place for him to be.

--Eric N
www.CampyOnly.com
CampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com
Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy

> On Nov 4, 2015, at 1:56 PM, Christopher Murray  
> wrote:
> 
> Seems like an amazing artist and interesting person. I've tried to order a 
> frame from Sachs over the last 10-15 years and he never seems to be taking 
> new orders. Maybe my timing is bad? It makes him seem less like someone who 
> actually makes bikes than this mythical idealized version of someone who 
> makes bikes. I always think of the old Bridgestone ad about the metal 
> filings. I think that is how he and Grant met. 
> 
> Again, seems like a good guy but I'd like him even more if I had one of his 
> bikes!
> 
> Cheers!
> Chris
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[RBW] Re: Richard Sachs

[JohnS]

Excellent! Thank you for sharing.
 
JohnS
 

On Tuesday, November 3, 2015 at 12:50:04 AM UTC-5, cyclot...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Came across this, it's pretty good. Page down to go through it: 
> https://slate.adobe.com/cp/ts5O3/
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Re: [RBW] Re: Richard Sachs

[Eric Norris]

I got mine in 2002. I tracked the progress on this web page, which includes 
photos that Richard took as the frame progressed:

http://www.campyonly.com/mypages/campysachs.html 
 

As Gary said, the frame is a work of art. Almost more like a huge piece of 
jewelry than a bicycle, really. I don’t ride it nearly enough. 

--Eric Norris
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campyonlyguy.blogspot.com

> On Nov 3, 2015, at 9:18 AM, Gary  wrote:
> 
> I was lucky to get on Richard's list back in 2001 when his wait time was only 
> about 9 months and the frame price was much lower than today. I met him at 
> his shop in CT, where he spent a couple of hours showing me around his 
> museum-like workshop, taking measurements, and talking about how he liked to 
> work. He was just a fascinating guy. During the build, he would send me hand 
> drawn postcards of the progress every month or so. The frame came right 
> around nine months after our visit, and it was - and still is - an incredible 
> piece of craftsmanship and an absolutely amazing ride. 
> 
> On Tuesday, November 3, 2015 at 10:38:17 AM UTC-5, Surlyprof wrote:
> Beautiful images.
> https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fuOu0XKkJ6Y 
> 
> A friend loaned me a copy of the film about Sachs, "Imperfection is 
> Perfection."  If you haven't seen it, it was fun to watch.  Impressive guy.  
> Only found this trailer on youtube.
> 
> John
> 
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[RBW] Re: Richard Sachs

[cyclotour...@gmail.com]

Glad everyone is enjoying this! It was real nice flipping through them last 
night. The format is a bit different. I got a little tired of scrolling 
through the images, but thought it was unique. Haven't seen anything like 
that before. But regardless of format, the content was great.

I've seen the trailer for that bio, but not the full one. 

Sachs and Sascha White 

On Tuesday, November 3, 2015 at 7:38:17 AM UTC-8, Surlyprof wrote:
>
> Beautiful images.
>
> https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fuOu0XKkJ6Y
>
> A friend loaned me a copy of the film about Sachs, "Imperfection is 
> Perfection."  If you haven't seen it, it was fun to watch.  Impressive guy. 
>  Only found this trailer on youtube.
>
> John
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Richard Sachs

[cyclotour...@gmail.com]

Incomplete thought: Sachs and Sasha White seem to be the two halo-builders 
at this point. They have quite the followings!

On Tuesday, November 3, 2015 at 9:55:23 AM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
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> Glad everyone is enjoying this! It was real nice flipping through them 
> last night. The format is a bit different. I got a little tired of 
> scrolling through the images, but thought it was unique. Haven't seen 
> anything like that before. But regardless of format, the content was great.
>
> I've seen the trailer for that bio, but not the full one. 
>
> Sachs and Sascha White 
>
> On Tuesday, November 3, 2015 at 7:38:17 AM UTC-8, Surlyprof wrote:
>>
>> Beautiful images.
>>
>> https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fuOu0XKkJ6Y
>>
>> A friend loaned me a copy of the film about Sachs, "Imperfection is 
>> Perfection."  If you haven't seen it, it was fun to watch.  Impressive guy. 
>>  Only found this trailer on youtube.
>>
>> John
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Richard Sachs

[Pondero]

Thanks, David.  Really nice photos.  I met Richard at the very first NAHBS 
in Houston.  I was stunned that he politely chatted with me for several 
minutes while I tried in vain to not appear star-struck.  Enjoyable and 
encouraging conversation.

Chris Johnson
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[RBW] Re: Richard Sachs

[Gary]

I was lucky to get on Richard's list back in 2001 when his wait time was 
only about 9 months and the frame price was much lower than today. I met 
him at his shop in CT, where he spent a couple of hours showing me around 
his museum-like workshop, taking measurements, and talking about how he 
liked to work. He was just a fascinating guy. During the build, he would 
send me hand drawn postcards of the progress every month or so. The frame 
came right around nine months after our visit, and it was - and still is - 
an incredible piece of craftsmanship and an absolutely amazing ride. 

On Tuesday, November 3, 2015 at 10:38:17 AM UTC-5, Surlyprof wrote:
>
> Beautiful images.
>
> https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fuOu0XKkJ6Y
>
> A friend loaned me a copy of the film about Sachs, "Imperfection is 
> Perfection."  If you haven't seen it, it was fun to watch.  Impressive guy. 
>  Only found this trailer on youtube.
>
> John
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Richard Sachs

[Tony DeFilippo]

I was mesmerized by that media format...  really cool insight into a pretty 
amazing craftsman's work.  Nice to hear from a couple of people who are 
actual customers of his to!  Thanks for sharing.

Tony

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[RBW] Re: Richard Sachs

[Kieran J]

Very cool.
A hand drill, a belt sander and some manual tools. Amazing!

KJ


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> Came across this, it's pretty good. Page down to go through it: 
> https://slate.adobe.com/cp/ts5O3/
>
> -- 
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> David
>
> Member, Supreme Council of Cyberspace
>
> "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal
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[RBW] Re: Richard Sachs

[Michael Hechmer]

Thanks, I enjoyed looking at that. It is good to be reminded that people 
can still find work that feeds that soul.

Michael

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> Came across this, it's pretty good. Page down to go through it: 
> https://slate.adobe.com/cp/ts5O3/
>
> -- 
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> David
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[RBW] Re: Richard Sachs

[hsmitham]

Nice and enjoyable. A craftsman indeed. 

$5000 and not taking on any new commissions, but back in the shop.

Tail Winds,

~Hugh

On Monday, November 2, 2015 at 9:50:04 PM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
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> Came across this, it's pretty good. Page down to go through it: 
> https://slate.adobe.com/cp/ts5O3/
>
> -- 
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> David
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> "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal
>
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Richard Sachs Cross Bike

[Patrick in VT]

On Dec 19, 1:17 am, erik jensen radiophonicworks...@gmail.com
wrote:
 No offense to Mr. Sachs, but is this quote funny to anyone else? Especially
 in the context of cyclocross?

Yes!  And I don't think he was joking.  But, I'd be angry too - I'm
totally fine running my bike into a tree during a 'cross race, but if
some idiot falls on it ... .well, that's just not fine.
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[RBW] Re: Richard Sachs Cross Bike

[Gino Zahnd]

Sure, he was pissed off (rightfully so), but there's humor in that passage atmo.

Gino

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 On Dec 19, 1:17 am, erik jensen radiophonicworks...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 No offense to Mr. Sachs, but is this quote funny to anyone else? Especially
 in the context of cyclocross?

 Yes!  And I don't think he was joking.  But, I'd be angry too - I'm
 totally fine running my bike into a tree during a 'cross race, but if
 some idiot falls on it ... .well, that's just not fine.
 


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[RBW] Re: Richard Sachs Cross Bike

[Aaron Thomas]

what's all this atmo stuff all about? is it some sort of shorthand
like FWIW, IMHO, YMMV, etc.?

On Dec 19, 4:16 pm, Gino Zahnd ginoza...@gmail.com wrote:
 Sure, he was pissed off (rightfully so), but there's humor in that passage 
 atmo.

 Gino

 On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 3:28 PM, Patrick in VT psh...@drm.com wrote:



  On Dec 19, 1:17 am, erik jensen radiophonicworks...@gmail.com
  wrote:
  No offense to Mr. Sachs, but is this quote funny to anyone else? Especially
  in the context of cyclocross?

  Yes!  And I don't think he was joking.  But, I'd be angry too - I'm
  totally fine running my bike into a tree during a 'cross race, but if
  some idiot falls on it ... .well, that's just not fine.


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[RBW] Re: Richard Sachs Cross Bike

[Steve Palincsar]

On Fri, 2008-12-19 at 19:13 -0800, Aaron Thomas wrote:
 what's all this atmo stuff all about? is it some sort of shorthand
 like FWIW, IMHO, YMMV, etc.?

Indeed.  Coined by e-Richie himself, the acronym stands for According
To My Opinion.  For a while, e-Richie used the handle Atmo on the
Serotta forum.




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[RBW] Re: Richard Sachs Cross Bike

[Gino Zahnd]

And the *only* reason I'm using it in this thread is because it's
about Richie.  Otherwise I never use it atmo.  (see, he IS a jokester
atmo!)

-Gino

On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 7:18 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote:

 On Fri, 2008-12-19 at 19:13 -0800, Aaron Thomas wrote:
 what's all this atmo stuff all about? is it some sort of shorthand
 like FWIW, IMHO, YMMV, etc.?

 Indeed.  Coined by e-Richie himself, the acronym stands for According
 To My Opinion.  For a while, e-Richie used the handle Atmo on the
 Serotta forum.




 


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[RBW] Re: Richard Sachs Cross Bike

[Big Paulie]

I guess well behaved men rarely make history either!

Latest on Richard Sachs' Cross team...

http://www.velonews.com/article/86089/scuffle-at-kansas-city-cyclocross-nationals
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[RBW] Re: Richard Sachs Cross Bike

[Sarah Gibson]

another
now set up
as urban commuter
http://www.flickr.com/photos/acmebicycle/2706606561/in/set-72157606402992309/
peace



well behaved women rarely make history
_ride yr friggin bicycle_
 




 Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 12:21:36 -0800
 Subject: [RBW] Richard Sachs Cross Bike
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 http://tinyurl.com/6h7npy
 
 
  

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[RBW] Re: Richard Sachs Cross Bike

[Patrick in VT]

there's nothing like seeing a rider going full-tilt through the mud,
slinging his richard sachs over his shoulder, riding it to the limit
and then realizing that the rider is richard sachs.  this happened to
me a few times this year.  very cool.



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[RBW] Re: Richard Sachs Cross Bike

[Eric Norris]

And here's another Sachs commuter, Chuck, from Davis CA.  This photo  
was taken in 2004.  I saw him a week or so ago, still commuting on the  
same bike.

http://www.campyonly.com/images/richardsachs/2004/commuting_sachs.jpg

Nice to know that something so beautiful and well-made is also so  
durable.

--Eric
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On Dec 10, 2008, at 7:04 AM, Sarah Gibson wrote:

 another
 now set up
 as urban commuter
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/acmebicycle/2706606561/in/set-72157606402992309/
 peace



 well behaved women rarely make history
 _ride yr friggin bicycle_





  Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 12:21:36 -0800
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[RBW] Re: Richard Sachs Cross Bike

[Sarah Gibson]

the man rides like few others

http://www.flickr.com/photos/acmebicycle/collections/72157603452580017/

cross natz r back in kc this wkend
looking forward to watching the action
visiting with richie
and many others who will be traveling here
any u folks in town for such?
peace



well behaved women rarely make history
_ride yr friggin bicycle_
 




 Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 07:24:48 -0800
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 there's nothing like seeing a rider going full-tilt through the mud,
 slinging his richard sachs over his shoulder, riding it to the limit
 and then realizing that the rider is richard sachs.  this happened to
 me a few times this year.  very cool.
 
 
 
  

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[RBW] Re: Richard Sachs Cross Bike

[Gino Zahnd]

If you aren't in line already, you won't ever own one unless it's used.  Or
if you enter the Wheels North drawing.

By the way, eRichie has his own photostream:
http://flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/

Awesome CX action shots, ridiculously beautiful bicycle photos.


On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 9:19 AM, Jeremy Till [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 Saw that too, RS frames are definitely lust-worthy to me but I expect
 it'll be a long time (if ever) that I own one.  Thought it was funny
 that the cyclingnews tech editor wrote that the lack of fender and
 bottle cage braze-ons were signs that Sachs doesn't intend for his
 Signature Cyclocross machine to just hang on a wall or casually
 meander around the block.  How could making something more useful for
 general riding (with little or no impact on its performance in
 competition) imply that it is a wall-hanger or casual rider?


 


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[RBW] Re: Richard Sachs Cross Bike

[JoelMatthews]

Thought it was funny
 that the cyclingnews tech editor wrote that the lack of fender and
 bottle cage braze-ons were signs that Sachs doesn’t intend for his
 Signature Cyclocross machine to just hang on a wall or casually
 meander around the block.  How could making something more useful for
 general riding (with little or no impact on its performance in
 competition) imply that it is a wall-hanger or casual rider?

My feelings exactly.

Amateur racers, however competent are hobbyiests.  Yet you have a
contingent especially well represented among that portion of bike
reporters who work for outlets that take advertisements that claim
bikes made for strictly for hobbyiests are somehow more 'serious' than
bikes made to appeal to people who use them for daily
transportation.

The vehemence with which such hobbyiests have responded to my
objections to such thought has me convinced ego stroking is a primary
reason many of the people find their ways into these hobbies.

Hey, I enjoy this and other hobbies as much as anyone.  But the notion
a practical bike is lessor for its practicality is one that is lost on
me.

On Dec 10, 11:19 am, Jeremy Till [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Saw that too, RS frames are definitely lust-worthy to me but I expect
 it'll be a long time (if ever) that I own one.  Thought it was funny
 that the cyclingnews tech editor wrote that the lack of fender and
 bottle cage braze-ons were signs that Sachs doesn’t intend for his
 Signature Cyclocross machine to just hang on a wall or casually
 meander around the block.  How could making something more useful for
 general riding (with little or no impact on its performance in
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[RBW] Re: Richard Sachs Cross Bike

[Patrick in VT]

How could making something more useful for
 general riding (with little or no impact on its performance in
 competition) imply that it is a wall-hanger or casual rider?


But the notion a practical bike is lessor for its practicality is one that is 
lost on
me.

hmm . .. I didn't read it that way.  maybe it could have been stated
more eloquently, but the point was that Mr. Sachs builds his signature
'cross bike with one intent - to race cx.

water bottles and fenders have no place in cx, and to have these
features would imply that the bike can be, or might be used for other
purposes.  The omission of these features speaks to Mr. Sachs passion
and dedication to cx.

serious cx racing is not about being practical or versatile - it's
about riding as hard as you possibly can for 45-60mins without
throwing up or having to think about what a pain it's going to be to
remount my honjos.  adding fenders and bottle cages *would* make it a
more casual rider kind of bike - so what?

this doesn't make other practically designed bikes lessor.  Did
someone actually say that?  Kind of like comparing apples and oranges,
isn't it?

in any event, let's not get too defensive about our practically
designed bicycles.  there's nothing wrong with having a bike that does
only one thing and does it really well and saying that it's better for
it's given purpose than other bikes designed with versatility in mind.






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[RBW] Re: Richard Sachs Cross Bike

[Jon Cameron]

Hello to all,

Patrickwell spoken.

To add to that sentimentit is my
understanding from reading about Richard Sachs that when he builds his
cyclo cross racing bikes for team members, that some thought goes in
to how to make it take a bit less time to build these machines for
their intended purpose of CX racing. While it might seem a pretty
simple thing to add on a few assorted bosses for bottle cages and
fenders and racks, it does all add up in time spent. To give all due
credit, the man had dedicated his life to frame building and before he
closed his waiting list for frames, he would and has built many
frames with just these kinds of extra's for broader focused bikes. The
frames mentioned in the article are built specifically for the cyclo
cross racing team that he sponsers, so leaving off these features
makes complete sense to me, and after building up two frames for each
team member, probably saves Richard a considerable amount of time. The
man is an artist in steel and a legend in frame building and I smile
each and every time I see one of his frames on the road.

As for my own bike riding..I'm perfectly
well served by our good friends at Rivendell. I own two of their bikes
now, and am making plans for another. Bottles, fenders, bags and all.
Enjoy the ride, Jon.

On Dec 10, 3:16 pm, Patrick in VT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 How could making something more useful for
  general riding (with little or no impact on its performance in
  competition) imply that it is a wall-hanger or casual rider?
 But the notion a practical bike is lessor for its practicality is one that 
 is lost on
 me.

 hmm . .. I didn't read it that way.  maybe it could have been stated
 more eloquently, but the point was that Mr. Sachs builds his signature
 'cross bike with one intent - to race cx.

 water bottles and fenders have no place in cx, and to have these
 features would imply that the bike can be, or might be used for other
 purposes.  The omission of these features speaks to Mr. Sachs passion
 and dedication to cx.

 serious cx racing is not about being practical or versatile - it's
 about riding as hard as you possibly can for 45-60mins without
 throwing up or having to think about what a pain it's going to be to
 remount my honjos.  adding fenders and bottle cages *would* make it a
 more casual rider kind of bike - so what?

 this doesn't make other practically designed bikes lessor.  Did
 someone actually say that?  Kind of like comparing apples and oranges,
 isn't it?

 in any event, let's not get too defensive about our practically
 designed bicycles.  there's nothing wrong with having a bike that does
 only one thing and does it really well and saying that it's better for
 it's given purpose than other bikes designed with versatility in mind.
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[RBW] Re: Richard Sachs Cross Bike

[JoelMatthews]

Patrick:

My earlier post was not directed to Sachs, but rather the journalist.
Specifically the quote that more pratical bikes are used to 'meander'
around the block.

I like Sachs' bikes a good deal.  Not as much as I do the old Masis,
Colnagnos and Bassos, but think he is a great builder with justly
deserved reputation.

Jounalist pandering to their readers and advertisers - and this is
just one of many examples I have seen in my day - is my issue.

Part of the problem, I guess, is that I have been a bike commuter for
so long.  As the '08 NAHBS made clear, practical bikes have turned the
corner in the US.  A few years back if you were not a part of the
spandex crowd, most people put you on a Breezer by the beach in their
mind, no matter what your approach to riding was.

On Dec 10, 3:16 pm, Patrick in VT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 How could making something more useful for
  general riding (with little or no impact on its performance in
  competition) imply that it is a wall-hanger or casual rider?
 But the notion a practical bike is lessor for its practicality is one that 
 is lost on
 me.

 hmm . .. I didn't read it that way.  maybe it could have been stated
 more eloquently, but the point was that Mr. Sachs builds his signature
 'cross bike with one intent - to race cx.

 water bottles and fenders have no place in cx, and to have these
 features would imply that the bike can be, or might be used for other
 purposes.  The omission of these features speaks to Mr. Sachs passion
 and dedication to cx.

 serious cx racing is not about being practical or versatile - it's
 about riding as hard as you possibly can for 45-60mins without
 throwing up or having to think about what a pain it's going to be to
 remount my honjos.  adding fenders and bottle cages *would* make it a
 more casual rider kind of bike - so what?

 this doesn't make other practically designed bikes lessor.  Did
 someone actually say that?  Kind of like comparing apples and oranges,
 isn't it?

 in any event, let's not get too defensive about our practically
 designed bicycles.  there's nothing wrong with having a bike that does
 only one thing and does it really well and saying that it's better for
 it's given purpose than other bikes designed with versatility in mind.
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[RBW] Re: Richard Sachs Cross Bike

[Jeremy Till]

Not to make it into a never ending back and forth/and not simply to
parrot what Joel said...but yes, my comments were more directed at the
journalist describing the bike and not at Sachs.  As I said before, I
lust after Sachs' bikes (even if they don't have bottle or fender/rack
braze-ons) and would love to own one.  I also agree with the sentiment
that the lack of braze-ons represents the purity of the design goals
(namely, competitive cyclocross racing) of the bicycle, just as bikes
designed for track racing should not have brake holes.

I was simply finding humor, as I expected most of this list to, in the
comments of the journalist that a lack of braze-ons would imply that
the bike is ridden more (or, more seriously) than a cross bike with
such braze-ons.

On Dec 10, 1:46 pm, Jon Cameron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hello to all,

 Patrickwell spoken.

 To add to that sentimentit is my
 understanding from reading about Richard Sachs that when he builds his
 cyclo cross racing bikes for team members, that some thought goes in
 to how to make it take a bit less time to build these machines for
 their intended purpose of CX racing. While it might seem a pretty
 simple thing to add on a few assorted bosses for bottle cages and
 fenders and racks, it does all add up in time spent. To give all due
 credit, the man had dedicated his life to frame building and before he
 closed his waiting list for frames, he would and has built many
 frames with just these kinds of extra's for broader focused bikes. The
 frames mentioned in the article are built specifically for the cyclo
 cross racing team that he sponsers, so leaving off these features
 makes complete sense to me, and after building up two frames for each
 team member, probably saves Richard a considerable amount of time. The
 man is an artist in steel and a legend in frame building and I smile
 each and every time I see one of his frames on the road.

 As for my own bike riding..I'm perfectly
 well served by our good friends at Rivendell. I own two of their bikes
 now, and am making plans for another. Bottles, fenders, bags and all.
 Enjoy the ride, Jon.

 On Dec 10, 3:16 pm, Patrick in VT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  How could making something more useful for
   general riding (with little or no impact on its performance in
   competition) imply that it is a wall-hanger or casual rider?
  But the notion a practical bike is lessor for its practicality is one that 
  is lost on
  me.

  hmm . .. I didn't read it that way.  maybe it could have been stated
  more eloquently, but the point was that Mr. Sachs builds his signature
  'cross bike with one intent - to race cx.

  water bottles and fenders have no place in cx, and to have these
  features would imply that the bike can be, or might be used for other
  purposes.  The omission of these features speaks to Mr. Sachs passion
  and dedication to cx.

  serious cx racing is not about being practical or versatile - it's
  about riding as hard as you possibly can for 45-60mins without
  throwing up or having to think about what a pain it's going to be to
  remount my honjos.  adding fenders and bottle cages *would* make it a
  more casual rider kind of bike - so what?

  this doesn't make other practically designed bikes lessor.  Did
  someone actually say that?  Kind of like comparing apples and oranges,
  isn't it?

  in any event, let's not get too defensive about our practically
  designed bicycles.  there's nothing wrong with having a bike that does
  only one thing and does it really well and saying that it's better for
  it's given purpose than other bikes designed with versatility in mind.
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[RBW] Re: Richard Sachs Cross Bike

[JoelMatthews]

Cool.  I hiked Hokkaido years ago and remember seeing the little
statutes around.  I guess I had forgotten all about the name.

On Dec 10, 7:09 pm, MichaelH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Since we're totally off topic anyway

 I'd love to have a richard sachs bike, but for a straight up commute
 and have fun bike, I wouldn't trade it for my Ebisu or an AHH.

 I wondered what the sumo looking head badge on my Ebisu was all about,
 but my wife recently found this, which helped me to understand  an all
 arounder at a deeper level.

 http://www.onmarkproductions.com/html/ebisu.shtml

 peace, shalom, salaam,
 michael

 On Dec 10, 6:01 pm, Jeremy Till [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Not to make it into a never ending back and forth/and not simply to
  parrot what Joel said...but yes, my comments were more directed at the
  journalist describing the bike and not at Sachs.  As I said before, I
  lust after Sachs' bikes (even if they don't have bottle or fender/rack
  braze-ons) and would love to own one.  I also agree with the sentiment
  that the lack of braze-ons represents the purity of the design goals
  (namely, competitive cyclocross racing) of the bicycle, just as bikes
  designed for track racing should not have brake holes.

  I was simply finding humor, as I expected most of this list to, in the
  comments of the journalist that a lack of braze-ons would imply that
  the bike is ridden more (or, more seriously) than a cross bike with
  such braze-ons.

  On Dec 10, 1:46 pm, Jon Cameron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   Hello to all,

   Patrickwell spoken.

   To add to that sentimentit is my
   understanding from reading about Richard Sachs that when he builds his
   cyclo cross racing bikes for team members, that some thought goes in
   to how to make it take a bit less time to build these machines for
   their intended purpose of CX racing. While it might seem a pretty
   simple thing to add on a few assorted bosses for bottle cages and
   fenders and racks, it does all add up in time spent. To give all due
   credit, the man had dedicated his life to frame building and before he
   closed his waiting list for frames, he would and has built many
   frames with just these kinds of extra's for broader focused bikes. The
   frames mentioned in the article are built specifically for the cyclo
   cross racing team that he sponsers, so leaving off these features
   makes complete sense to me, and after building up two frames for each
   team member, probably saves Richard a considerable amount of time. The
   man is an artist in steel and a legend in frame building and I smile
   each and every time I see one of his frames on the road.

   As for my own bike riding..I'm perfectly
   well served by our good friends at Rivendell. I own two of their bikes
   now, and am making plans for another. Bottles, fenders, bags and all.
   Enjoy the ride, Jon.

   On Dec 10, 3:16 pm, Patrick in VT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

How could making something more useful for
 general riding (with little or no impact on its performance in
 competition) imply that it is a wall-hanger or casual rider?
But the notion a practical bike is lessor for its practicality is one 
that is lost on
me.

hmm . .. I didn't read it that way.  maybe it could have been stated
more eloquently, but the point was that Mr. Sachs builds his signature
'cross bike with one intent - to race cx.

water bottles and fenders have no place in cx, and to have these
features would imply that the bike can be, or might be used for other
purposes.  The omission of these features speaks to Mr. Sachs passion
and dedication to cx.

serious cx racing is not about being practical or versatile - it's
about riding as hard as you possibly can for 45-60mins without
throwing up or having to think about what a pain it's going to be to
remount my honjos.  adding fenders and bottle cages *would* make it a
more casual rider kind of bike - so what?

this doesn't make other practically designed bikes lessor.  Did
someone actually say that?  Kind of like comparing apples and oranges,
isn't it?

in any event, let's not get too defensive about our practically
designed bicycles.  there's nothing wrong with having a bike that does
only one thing and does it really well and saying that it's better for
it's given purpose than other bikes designed with versatility in mind.
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