[RBW] Re: Who is using bike lights?

[Joel]

A picture of these was posted, here is the link.

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On Thursday, August 20, 2020 at 5:55:05 PM UTC-4, Joel wrote:
>
> 2 close calls in one day. My red blinking cateye is useless in daylight. 
>  I a interested in front and back lights to help me be more visible, your 
> thoughts and experiences are welcome.
>
> Thanks 
>
> Joel
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Re: [RBW] Re: Who is using bike lights?

[Josh Brown]

Thanks for the heads up, Peter!

On Sun, Aug 23, 2020, 7:15 AM Peter White  wrote:

> I think Dinotte is out of business. In the past few months I've had
> numerous telephone calls from people telling me they placed an order
> through the Dinotte website, paid for the order, and then got nothing.
> Sounds like the payment system is still working but nothing else. They
> can't contact anybody at the company.
>
> PJW
>
> On Sat, Aug 22, 2020 at 8:35 PM Tom Horton  wrote:
>
>> I would check out dinotte lights, made in u.s.a., expensive, but very
>> bright and very durable. they make a couple amber front lights that are
>> highly visible without being too obnoxious to oncoming traffic...one can
>> even work as a headlight in full dark on the road.  I combine them with
>> dynamo lights, for which peter white's website is a good resource. I own
>> several dinottes and have used a couple for more than 6 years.  usb
>> rechargeable for the most part.
>>
>> On Thursday, August 20, 2020 at 5:55:05 PM UTC-4 Joel wrote:
>>
>>> 2 close calls in one day. My red blinking cateye is useless in
>>> daylight.  I a interested in front and back lights to help me be more
>>> visible, your thoughts and experiences are welcome.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Joel
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[RBW] Re: Who is using bike lights?

[Jason Fuller]

I like using these for being attention-grabbing in lower light conditions 
(in addition to standard headlight / taillight); in brighter light I would 
say the safety triangles / safety pizza is as good a line of defense as you 
can hope for. Other than just avoiding higher traffic streets at all costs. 

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[RBW] Re: Who is using bike lights?

[Lynn Haas]

Based on driver behavior, my most high-viz outfit is a black dress suit and 
heels.

I have a Cycliq 6 (and a 12 up front) and I could swear that daytime 
drivers behind me know that that thing is a camera. I don't turn on the 
light, just the camera, and it has a rotating indicator light. Impatient 
drivers wanting to turn right on red seemed to suddenly vanish from the 
road the day I got it. I also really enjoy being able to share interesting 
things I see on my rides without needing to whip out my smartphone and open 
the camera.

On Thursday, August 20, 2020 at 4:55:05 PM UTC-5 Joel wrote:

> 2 close calls in one day. My red blinking cateye is useless in daylight. 
>  I a interested in front and back lights to help me be more visible, your 
> thoughts and experiences are welcome.
>
> Thanks 
>
> Joel
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Re: [RBW] Re: Who is using bike lights?

[Tom Horton]

Oh crap  that s a real shame  no warning

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> On Aug 23, 2020, at 7:15 AM, Peter White  wrote:
> 
> I think Dinotte is out of business. In the past few months I've had numerous 
> telephone calls from people telling me they placed an order through the 
> Dinotte website, paid for the order, and then got nothing. Sounds like the 
> payment system is still working but nothing else. They can't contact anybody 
> at the company.
> 
> PJW
> 
>> On Sat, Aug 22, 2020 at 8:35 PM Tom Horton  wrote:
>> I would check out dinotte lights, made in u.s.a., expensive, but very bright 
>> and very durable. they make a couple amber front lights that are highly 
>> visible without being too obnoxious to oncoming traffic...one can even work 
>> as a headlight in full dark on the road.  I combine them with dynamo lights, 
>> for which peter white's website is a good resource. I own several dinottes 
>> and have used a couple for more than 6 years.  usb rechargeable for the most 
>> part.
>> 
>>> On Thursday, August 20, 2020 at 5:55:05 PM UTC-4 Joel wrote:
>>> 2 close calls in one day. My red blinking cateye is useless in daylight.  I 
>>> a interested in front and back lights to help me be more visible, your 
>>> thoughts and experiences are welcome.
>>> 
>>> Thanks 
>>> 
>>> Joel
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Re: [RBW] Re: Who is using bike lights?

[Peter White]

I think Dinotte is out of business. In the past few months I've had
numerous telephone calls from people telling me they placed an order
through the Dinotte website, paid for the order, and then got nothing.
Sounds like the payment system is still working but nothing else. They
can't contact anybody at the company.

PJW

On Sat, Aug 22, 2020 at 8:35 PM Tom Horton  wrote:

> I would check out dinotte lights, made in u.s.a., expensive, but very
> bright and very durable. they make a couple amber front lights that are
> highly visible without being too obnoxious to oncoming traffic...one can
> even work as a headlight in full dark on the road.  I combine them with
> dynamo lights, for which peter white's website is a good resource. I own
> several dinottes and have used a couple for more than 6 years.  usb
> rechargeable for the most part.
>
> On Thursday, August 20, 2020 at 5:55:05 PM UTC-4 Joel wrote:
>
>> 2 close calls in one day. My red blinking cateye is useless in daylight.
>> I a interested in front and back lights to help me be more visible, your
>> thoughts and experiences are welcome.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Joel
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[RBW] Re: Who is using bike lights?

[Tom Horton]

I would check out dinotte lights, made in u.s.a., expensive, but very 
bright and very durable. they make a couple amber front lights that are 
highly visible without being too obnoxious to oncoming traffic...one can 
even work as a headlight in full dark on the road.  I combine them with 
dynamo lights, for which peter white's website is a good resource. I own 
several dinottes and have used a couple for more than 6 years.  usb 
rechargeable for the most part.

On Thursday, August 20, 2020 at 5:55:05 PM UTC-4 Joel wrote:

> 2 close calls in one day. My red blinking cateye is useless in daylight. 
>  I a interested in front and back lights to help me be more visible, your 
> thoughts and experiences are welcome.
>
> Thanks 
>
> Joel
>

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[RBW] Re: Who is using bike lights?

[George Schick]

A couple of weeks ago I was riding down a shady stretch of an MUP when up 
ahead I saw a very bright light coming towards me.  Since this path is 
frequented by power line repair personnel as well as occasional police 
patrols, I assumed that it was one of their vehicles and was preparing to 
pull over to the side.  As it approached it became brighter and brighter 
until it got to the point where it was so blindingly bright that I couldn't 
stare in its direction  anymore.  Turned out that it was another cyclist 
coming toward me with an excessively bright headlight, aimed straight down 
the path.  Now, one would think that if someone who would have to ride a 
bike with that kind of forward-looking warning device (and I'm not even 
sure why) would at least have it pointed slightly toward the ground and not 
straight ahead, blinding on-coming people.  

On Thursday, August 20, 2020 at 4:55:05 PM UTC-5, Joel wrote:
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> 2 close calls in one day. My red blinking cateye is useless in daylight. 
>  I a interested in front and back lights to help me be more visible, your 
> thoughts and experiences are welcome.
>
> Thanks 
>
> Joel
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Who is using bike lights?

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks; good to know! I'm fortunate not to have to commute on traffic
arteries during rush hour -- work at home -- but I did so for years, and
while I was pretty well seasoned at traffic riding, any aid to visibility
was and is still welcome. I use to keep a reflective triangle on the back
of my saddlebags day as well as night, but had no real evidence that it
worked during the day.

On Sat, Aug 22, 2020 at 12:25 AM Brian Campbell 
wrote:

> Patrick,
>
> Yes. I think, for many, it reminds them of farm or construction equipment
> and they are pre-disposed to notice it. I have no proof of that but I have
> also found drivers giving me a bit more room, even in big pickup trucks.
> That did not always seem to be the case previously.
>
>  Again, I have no proof of any of this, just an observation.
>
>
>
> On Friday, August 21, 2020 at 7:33:09 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> Brian: Sincere question: Was this during the day that drivers noticed
>> this so well?
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 3:44 PM Brian Campbell 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> In addition to using a generator powered headlight and taillight in
>>> "always on mode", I also use one of these:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.rivbike.com/collections/odds-ends/products/miny-mini-mine-reflecto-triangle-minny
>>>
>>> I have had more than one passing driver mention that they noticed it.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Who is using bike lights?

[Brian Campbell]

Patrick,

Yes. I think, for many, it reminds them of farm or construction equipment 
and they are pre-disposed to notice it. I have no proof of that but I have 
also found drivers giving me a bit more room, even in big pickup trucks. 
That did not always seem to be the case previously.

 Again, I have no proof of any of this, just an observation.



On Friday, August 21, 2020 at 7:33:09 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Brian: Sincere question: Was this during the day that drivers noticed this 
> so well?
>
> On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 3:44 PM Brian Campbell  > wrote:
>
>> In addition to using a generator powered headlight and taillight in 
>> "always on mode", I also use one of these:
>>
>>
>> https://www.rivbike.com/collections/odds-ends/products/miny-mini-mine-reflecto-triangle-minny
>>
>> I have had more than one passing driver mention that they noticed it.
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Who is using bike lights?

[masmojo]

I don't mind a blinking red rear in the day to help me get the attention of 
cars approaching from behind, BUT overall I like the Bright, Steady, Front 
and rear light. Often If my front light stops working for some reason, I 
discover it, because I notice people pulling out in front of me where 
normally they wouldn't. A dynamo is indispensable in my opinion; mine is on 
ALL the time, I never turn it off. Lights like the B, Supernova, Edelux, 
Etc. are great, but really a 40Lux light can be gotten for less than $40. 
and gives out just enough light to be able to see OK at night and ensure 
you are seen in the day.

Just my opinion, but I think blinking lights at night are drunk magnets; 
they are attracted to the pulsing light for some reason?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Who is using bike lights?

[Joel Stern]

That does it, I’m getting red socks, seriously. Also a good excuse for red
T’s.  Thanks Deacon.

On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 8:10 PM 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch <
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> I came up with my daylight visibility strategy from observing redwing
> blackbirds, which I always see easily from afar, whether still or in
> flight, be they in shadow or sunlight or cloudy/dim light. Black body, with
> a surprisingly small patch of red, bordered on one side by yellow. That's
> it. So...
>
> I wear red. But red fades, especially with summer cotton shirts. So I add
> a red bandana around my neck. My socks are red, and that's what my wife
> says she sees first from afar. A safety triangle on the saddle bag. No
> lights except solid front and rear on foggy/stormy days. Combined with
> "smile and wave" and "ride in the right tire track" on anything less than
> 4' shoulders, and the biggest danger is cars passing me in the other lane
> despite oncoming traffic because this strategy works so well.
>
> I've no idea how this translates from the twisty backroads I ride (though
> we have every increasing traffic, especially now, still working a charm) to
> city cycling.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
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[RBW] Re: Who is using bike lights?

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I came up with my daylight visibility strategy from observing redwing 
blackbirds, which I always see easily from afar, whether still or in 
flight, be they in shadow or sunlight or cloudy/dim light. Black body, with 
a surprisingly small patch of red, bordered on one side by yellow. That's 
it. So...

I wear red. But red fades, especially with summer cotton shirts. So I add a 
red bandana around my neck. My socks are red, and that's what my wife says 
she sees first from afar. A safety triangle on the saddle bag. No lights 
except solid front and rear on foggy/stormy days. Combined with "smile and 
wave" and "ride in the right tire track" on anything less than 4' 
shoulders, and the biggest danger is cars passing me in the other lane 
despite oncoming traffic because this strategy works so well.

I've no idea how this translates from the twisty backroads I ride (though 
we have every increasing traffic, especially now, still working a charm) to 
city cycling.

With abandon,
Patrick 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Who is using bike lights?

[Patrick Moore]

I'd like confirmation that the drivers who said they noticed him with that
reflector noticed it during the day -- if that was the case. I use one of
those triangles at night, but haven't been using it during our (very
bright) daylight.

On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 5:36 PM Joel Stern  wrote:

> Patrick, I think he is referring to the study I posted above. It is not on
> my computer but on my ipad or I would post it here. It is under one of my
> posts.  Here it is,
>
>
> https://www.roadbikerider.com/incisive-new-studies-on-cyclist-visibility-d3/
>
> On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 7:33 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> Brian: Sincere question: Was this during the day that drivers noticed
>> this so well?
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 3:44 PM Brian Campbell 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> In addition to using a generator powered headlight and taillight in
>>> "always on mode", I also use one of these:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.rivbike.com/collections/odds-ends/products/miny-mini-mine-reflecto-triangle-minny
>>>
>>> I have had more than one passing driver mention that they noticed it.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Who is using bike lights?

[Joel Stern]

Patrick, I think he is referring to the study I posted above. It is not on
my computer but on my ipad or I would post it here. It is under one of my
posts.  Here it is,

https://www.roadbikerider.com/incisive-new-studies-on-cyclist-visibility-d3/

On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 7:33 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Brian: Sincere question: Was this during the day that drivers noticed this
> so well?
>
> On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 3:44 PM Brian Campbell 
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>
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>> "always on mode", I also use one of these:
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>> https://www.rivbike.com/collections/odds-ends/products/miny-mini-mine-reflecto-triangle-minny
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>> I have had more than one passing driver mention that they noticed it.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Who is using bike lights?

[Patrick Moore]

Brian: Sincere question: Was this during the day that drivers noticed this
so well?

On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 3:44 PM Brian Campbell 
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> In addition to using a generator powered headlight and taillight in
> "always on mode", I also use one of these:
>
>
> https://www.rivbike.com/collections/odds-ends/products/miny-mini-mine-reflecto-triangle-minny
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> I have had more than one passing driver mention that they noticed it.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Who is using bike lights?

[Brian Campbell]

In addition to using a generator powered headlight and taillight in "always 
on mode", I also use one of these:

https://www.rivbike.com/collections/odds-ends/products/miny-mini-mine-reflecto-triangle-minny

I have had more than one passing driver mention that they noticed it.



On Friday, August 21, 2020 at 5:11:08 PM UTC-4, Joel wrote:
>
>
> Thanks.  You are right about US drivers, Unless they also are cyclists 
> most are clueless 
>
> On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 4:36 PM aeroperf  > wrote:
>
>>
>> Interesting subject all around.
>>
>> Airplane studies, for both the Air Force and the FAA, indicate that 4 
>> cycles per second is the optimum flash rate for getting a pilot’s 
>> attention.  I use a Planet Bike Beamer 80 for the front, and Planet Bike 
>> Grateful Red taillight, both on quick flash mode.  They let folk know I’m 
>> there, without blinding anybody.  But here in the US I try to stay on the 
>> bike trail and off the roads.
>>
>> German bikes (at least 2002 - 2005 when I lived there) were required to 
>> come with a head and tail light, generally dynamo driven with those little 
>> snap-down-on-your-tire dynamos.  They were also required to have reflectors 
>> in the spokes and reflectors front and rear on the pedals.  You could 
>> always take these off, but that’s the way they were sold.  Apparently a 
>> study had been done and this was determined to be the most cost effective 
>> set of safety items, for both day and night.
>> For road touring, we’d add a light fluorescent green vest for daylight, 
>> and sometimes a pair of reflective ankle straps for night.  Dorky, sure, 
>> but you can see those vests pretty well on a moving bicyclist.
>>
>> I would say that US drivers have an order of magnitude less consideration 
>> for bicyclists than their European counterparts.  If I do plan on going on 
>> the road here for any distance, I still take that dorky green vest.  
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Who is using bike lights?

[Joel Stern]

Thanks Nick

On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 4:35 AM Nick Payne  wrote:

> I have the Niterider Solas on several bikes. I use it in blinking mode,
> and it's easily visible from several hundred metres away in bright
> sunlight. It also has an optional seatstay mount that you can use, which is
> another plus in my book, as I use Carradice or similar saddlebags on most
> of my bikes, and the normal seatpost mount can't be used with a large
> saddlebag.
>
> I don't bother with front lights for daytime riding.
>
> Nick
>
> On Friday, 21 August 2020 07:55:05 UTC+10, Joel wrote:
>>
>> 2 close calls in one day. My red blinking cateye is useless in daylight.
>> I a interested in front and back lights to help me be more visible, your
>> thoughts and experiences are welcome.
>>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Who is using bike lights?

[Joel Stern]

Thanks.  You are right about US drivers, Unless they also are cyclists most
are clueless

On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 4:36 PM aeroperf  wrote:

>
> Interesting subject all around.
>
> Airplane studies, for both the Air Force and the FAA, indicate that 4
> cycles per second is the optimum flash rate for getting a pilot’s
> attention.  I use a Planet Bike Beamer 80 for the front, and Planet Bike
> Grateful Red taillight, both on quick flash mode.  They let folk know I’m
> there, without blinding anybody.  But here in the US I try to stay on the
> bike trail and off the roads.
>
> German bikes (at least 2002 - 2005 when I lived there) were required to
> come with a head and tail light, generally dynamo driven with those little
> snap-down-on-your-tire dynamos.  They were also required to have reflectors
> in the spokes and reflectors front and rear on the pedals.  You could
> always take these off, but that’s the way they were sold.  Apparently a
> study had been done and this was determined to be the most cost effective
> set of safety items, for both day and night.
> For road touring, we’d add a light fluorescent green vest for daylight,
> and sometimes a pair of reflective ankle straps for night.  Dorky, sure,
> but you can see those vests pretty well on a moving bicyclist.
>
> I would say that US drivers have an order of magnitude less consideration
> for bicyclists than their European counterparts.  If I do plan on going on
> the road here for any distance, I still take that dorky green vest.
>
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[RBW] Re: Who is using bike lights?

[aeroperf]

Interesting subject all around.

Airplane studies, for both the Air Force and the FAA, indicate that 4 
cycles per second is the optimum flash rate for getting a pilot’s 
attention.  I use a Planet Bike Beamer 80 for the front, and Planet Bike 
Grateful Red taillight, both on quick flash mode.  They let folk know I’m 
there, without blinding anybody.  But here in the US I try to stay on the 
bike trail and off the roads.

German bikes (at least 2002 - 2005 when I lived there) were required to 
come with a head and tail light, generally dynamo driven with those little 
snap-down-on-your-tire dynamos.  They were also required to have reflectors 
in the spokes and reflectors front and rear on the pedals.  You could 
always take these off, but that’s the way they were sold.  Apparently a 
study had been done and this was determined to be the most cost effective 
set of safety items, for both day and night.
For road touring, we’d add a light fluorescent green vest for daylight, and 
sometimes a pair of reflective ankle straps for night.  Dorky, sure, but 
you can see those vests pretty well on a moving bicyclist.

I would say that US drivers have an order of magnitude less consideration 
for bicyclists than their European counterparts.  If I do plan on going on 
the road here for any distance, I still take that dorky green vest.  

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[RBW] Re: Who is using bike lights?

[Nick Payne]

I have the Niterider Solas on several bikes. I use it in blinking mode, and 
it's easily visible from several hundred metres away in bright sunlight. It 
also has an optional seatstay mount that you can use, which is another plus 
in my book, as I use Carradice or similar saddlebags on most of my bikes, 
and the normal seatpost mount can't be used with a large saddlebag.

I don't bother with front lights for daytime riding.

Nick

On Friday, 21 August 2020 07:55:05 UTC+10, Joel wrote:
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> 2 close calls in one day. My red blinking cateye is useless in daylight. 
>  I a interested in front and back lights to help me be more visible, your 
> thoughts and experiences are welcome.
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[RBW] Re: Who is using bike lights?

[Erik Wright]

I use Bontrager Flare R (rear) and Ion 350 (front) when I’m out on the open 
road for longer day rides. I use a dynamo front and little blinky rear for 
city riding. The Bontrager lights are BRIGHT day-rated lights; too bright 
for city riding at night, in my opinion.

Erik
Philly

On Thursday, August 20, 2020 at 5:55:05 PM UTC-4 Joel wrote:

> 2 close calls in one day. My red blinking cateye is useless in daylight. 
>  I a interested in front and back lights to help me be more visible, your 
> thoughts and experiences are welcome.
>
> Thanks 
>
> Joel
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Re: [RBW] Re: Who is using bike lights?

[Joel Stern]

Thanks Julian.  Me too on the close calls.  People think either it is just
a bike, I can beat it before it gets here or my favorite, they are just
stupid.  Now this does not take into account those not paying attention.

On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 6:47 PM Julian Westerhout 
wrote:

> Joel,
>
> Glad they were only close calls!   :(
>
> I use a dynamo hub with headlight and taillight on at all times on the
> bikes i ride most -- plus a blinky in the back, and an orange safety
> triangle hanging from my commuter's saddle. Pretty dorky, but hopefully
> pretty visible.
>
> I like dynamos plus LED lights because then I always have lights without
> ever worrying about charging, etc.
>
> Julian Westerhout
> Bloomington, IL
>
>
>
> On Thursday, August 20, 2020 at 4:55:05 PM UTC-5, Joel wrote:
>>
>> 2 close calls in one day. My red blinking cateye is useless in daylight.
>> I a interested in front and back lights to help me be more visible, your
>> thoughts and experiences are welcome.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Joel
>>
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[RBW] Re: Who is using bike lights?

[Julian Westerhout]

Joel, 

Glad they were only close calls!   :( 

I use a dynamo hub with headlight and taillight on at all times on the 
bikes i ride most -- plus a blinky in the back, and an orange safety 
triangle hanging from my commuter's saddle. Pretty dorky, but hopefully 
pretty visible. 

I like dynamos plus LED lights because then I always have lights without 
ever worrying about charging, etc. 

Julian Westerhout
Bloomington, IL 



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>  I a interested in front and back lights to help me be more visible, your 
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>
> Thanks 
>
> Joel
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