[RBW] Re: fenders off road?
A little late in the thread I know... One of the considerations I found pertinent to my fenders/no fenders offroad experience was Toe Pedal Overlap. Although I ran my Saluki on the dirt, with fenders it took too much concentration to be fun on semi-technical to difficult singletrack to keep the front wheel between my feet. Without the fenders I had no TPO so I was riding a whole different go anywhere machine. Phil B On Jan 15, 7:03 pm, David Estes cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: What's all that green stuff? On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 10:11 AM, John McMurry johnmcmu...@gmail.comwrote: On Jan 14, 11:06 pm, David Estes cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: I rode my Bleriot everywhere w/ Honjos, no problemo... http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/1562380216/in/set-721576024... Thanks for posting that picture. While that looks like a beautiful and very fun place to bicycle, in the NE, that's considered a jeep road, not really a trail. Something like this is what I was talking about: http://picasaweb.google.com/johnmcmurry/Singletrack#5291582034456142610 So, when I recommend taking fenders off a bike that sees more trail than road, these are the types of trails I'm talking about. John McMurry Burlington, VT -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: fenders off road?
On Sun, 2009-01-18 at 10:15 -0800, Phil Bickford wrote: A little late in the thread I know... One of the considerations I found pertinent to my fenders/no fenders offroad experience was Toe Pedal Overlap. Although I ran my Saluki on the dirt, with fenders it took too much concentration to be fun on semi-technical to difficult singletrack to keep the front wheel between my feet. Without the fenders I had no TPO so I was riding a whole different go anywhere machine. You have TCO on a Saluki? What size? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: fenders off road?
With fenders I did - 50cm - but not without. On Jan 18, 2:51 pm, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Sun, 2009-01-18 at 10:15 -0800, Phil Bickford wrote: A little late in the thread I know... One of the considerations I found pertinent to my fenders/no fenders offroad experience was Toe Pedal Overlap. Although I ran my Saluki on the dirt, with fenders it took too much concentration to be fun on semi-technical to difficult singletrack to keep the front wheel between my feet. Without the fenders I had no TPO so I was riding a whole different go anywhere machine. You have TCO on a Saluki? What size? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: fenders off road?
On Thu, 2009-01-15 at 10:11 -0800, John McMurry wrote: On Jan 14, 11:06 pm, David Estes cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: I rode my Bleriot everywhere w/ Honjos, no problemo...http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/1562380216/in/set-721576024... Thanks for posting that picture. While that looks like a beautiful and very fun place to bicycle, in the NE, that's considered a jeep road, not really a trail. Something like this is what I was talking about: http://picasaweb.google.com/johnmcmurry/Singletrack#5291582034456142610 So, when I recommend taking fenders off a bike that sees more trail than road, these are the types of trails I'm talking about. Obviously we lack a standard vocabulary to describe these. I would call that first photo a jeep track and the second singletrack. I wouldn't call either a trail or a road. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: fenders off road?
What's all that green stuff? On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 10:11 AM, John McMurry johnmcmu...@gmail.comwrote: On Jan 14, 11:06 pm, David Estes cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: I rode my Bleriot everywhere w/ Honjos, no problemo... http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/1562380216/in/set-721576024... Thanks for posting that picture. While that looks like a beautiful and very fun place to bicycle, in the NE, that's considered a jeep road, not really a trail. Something like this is what I was talking about: http://picasaweb.google.com/johnmcmurry/Singletrack#5291582034456142610 So, when I recommend taking fenders off a bike that sees more trail than road, these are the types of trails I'm talking about. John McMurry Burlington, VT -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: fenders off road?
If offroad just means trails, you probably won't need to make any changes, and metal fenders will do just fine. Prepare for lots and lots of rattling noise. Bob On Jan 14, 12:47 am, J L subfas...@gmail.com wrote: My Saluki has been seeing more action on the trails than the pavement, enough so that I am considering some minor setup changes to better function on the trails. The bikes is currently setup as a rack laden commuter. Is there any disadvantage to metal fenders in this situation? Any other setup tips? Thanks Jason --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: fenders off road?
I was expecting wetter weather than we have in August for the D2R2 (crazy randonee in Massachusetts 112 miles, 70% on dirt roads, and 11,000 ft of climbing) so I rode my Atlantis with Honjos installed and while there was a great deal of rattling they worked fine. Granted this was mainly dirt roads and a few jeep tracks. Your main risk is that something gets pulled up into the fender and folds it over stopping your tire and your bike but not you... bad juju. If you set up the fender so that the tail of it is closer to the tire than the rest of it that will mitigate (but not eliminate) this risk, also helps with snow build up if you're into that kind of riding. SKS fenders have a quick release doodad on the front fender that will allow the stays to come off the fork, this is supposed to prevent that front tire lock-up and the inevitable endo that would follow. Good luck! Ethan On Jan 14, 12:47 am, J L subfas...@gmail.com wrote: My Saluki has been seeing more action on the trails than the pavement, enough so that I am considering some minor setup changes to better function on the trails. The bikes is currently setup as a rack laden commuter. Is there any disadvantage to metal fenders in this situation? Any other setup tips? Thanks Jason --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: fenders off road?
I've been running Berthoud fenders in offroad trail-riding for a long time. They work fine and are only noisy when a pebble goes through. On Jan 13, 11:47 pm, J L subfas...@gmail.com wrote: My Saluki has been seeing more action on the trails than the pavement, enough so that I am considering some minor setup changes to better function on the trails. The bikes is currently setup as a rack laden commuter. Is there any disadvantage to metal fenders in this situation? Any other setup tips? Thanks Jason --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: fenders off road?
Thanks for all the input. It was trail riding I was talking about, (someone had asked). I think I will change out my Hetres for fatty rumpkins and leave my bags at home - that should be good enough for a while. Jason --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: fenders off road?
I have Planet Bike 60s on my Big Apple shod Monocog 29er, and there is no problem except shake thanks to flimsy stays. No rattling, either, but then the Monocog has huge clearances even with 60 mm tires and fenders. I'd say you will be fine as long as you have, say, a cm between fender and tire. Also, be careful about the trailing end of the front fender which can hang up on dropoffs. The PB front is foolishly short by road bike standards, but with the very high bb of the Monocog it actually works well enough, and it doesn't hang up on things. On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 10:47 PM, J L subfas...@gmail.com wrote: My Saluki has been seeing more action on the trails than the pavement, enough so that I am considering some minor setup changes to better function on the trails. The bikes is currently setup as a rack laden commuter. Is there any disadvantage to metal fenders in this situation? Any other setup tips? Thanks Jason --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: fenders off road?
On Wed, 2009-01-14 at 06:58 -0800, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: I've been running Berthoud fenders in offroad trail-riding for a long time. They work fine and are only noisy when a pebble goes through. That's my experience as well. I use 50mm Berthouds on my Saluki with Col de la Vie tires. BTW - when the group goes through wet spots and they emerge with bikes covered with muddy water, but I generally come out of it with only a few muddy drops along the chains stays. This is riding on dirt roads, not fire roads or MTB trails. On Jan 13, 11:47 pm, J L subfas...@gmail.com wrote: My Saluki has been seeing more action on the trails than the pavement, enough so that I am considering some minor setup changes to better function on the trails. The bikes is currently setup as a rack laden commuter. Is there any disadvantage to metal fenders in this situation? Any other setup tips? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: fenders off road?
On Jan 14, 12:47 am, J L subfas...@gmail.com wrote: My Saluki has been seeing more action on the trails than the pavement, enough so that I am considering some minor setup changes to better function on the trails. The bikes is currently setup as a rack laden commuter. Is there any disadvantage to metal fenders in this situation? Any other setup tips? That depends on: How technical the trails are that you're riding, and; What percentage of riding time the Saluki is actually off-road. The primary concern of using fenders on off-road trails is being thrown over the bars when a stick catches your fender stays or an object funnels up into the fork crown. Secondary concerns are bending/breaking the fenders on drops, rattling noise from twigs/stones making their way through and mud piling up in the fender and dragging on your tire. That said, I ride my fendered Saluki on as many jeep trails that my friends and I can find here in Vermont. But, if I mostly rode my Saluki on technical, singletrack trails, I'd remove the fenders, provided I had another nice bike with fenders on it. John McMurry Burlington, VT --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: fenders off road?
On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 8:52 AM, John McMurry johnmcmu...@gmail.com wrote: On Jan 14, 12:47 am, J L subfas...@gmail.com wrote: The primary concern of using fenders on off-road trails is being thrown over the bars when a stick catches your fender stays or an object funnels up into the fork crown. I have photos of my Big Apple shod, PB fendered, Monocog 29er: http://picasaweb.google.com/bertin531/PUBLICODDSANDENDS# The front fender struts are attached high up on the fork legs, which makes it more flexy but also (I hope) will keep it from jamming the tire if a stick gets caught in it. I more recently swapped the double zip ties for plastic seatpost reflector brackets to fit the very fat fork legs. Presumably these provide a backup QR, since (again, one hopes) they will break if a stick gets caught in the front tire. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: fenders off road?
Patrick, Did you drill a hole in your Monocog fork's crown to mount the front fender upper stay? My old green MC didn't have a hole there. Thanks, Eric just sorta thinking about another one Daume On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 11:03 AM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 8:52 AM, John McMurry johnmcmu...@gmail.comwrote: On Jan 14, 12:47 am, J L subfas...@gmail.com wrote: The primary concern of using fenders on off-road trails is being thrown over the bars when a stick catches your fender stays or an object funnels up into the fork crown. I have photos of my Big Apple shod, PB fendered, Monocog 29er: http://picasaweb.google.com/bertin531/PUBLICODDSANDENDS# The front fender struts are attached high up on the fork legs, which makes it more flexy but also (I hope) will keep it from jamming the tire if a stick gets caught in it. I more recently swapped the double zip ties for plastic seatpost reflector brackets to fit the very fat fork legs. Presumably these provide a backup QR, since (again, one hopes) they will break if a stick gets caught in the front tire. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: fenders off road?
No, it was drilled at the factory. On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 9:29 AM, Eric Daume ericda...@gmail.com wrote: Patrick, Did you drill a hole in your Monocog fork's crown to mount the front fender upper stay? My old green MC didn't have a hole there. Thanks, Eric just sorta thinking about another one Daume On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 11:03 AM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.comwrote: On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 8:52 AM, John McMurry johnmcmu...@gmail.comwrote: On Jan 14, 12:47 am, J L subfas...@gmail.com wrote: The primary concern of using fenders on off-road trails is being thrown over the bars when a stick catches your fender stays or an object funnels up into the fork crown. I have photos of my Big Apple shod, PB fendered, Monocog 29er: http://picasaweb.google.com/bertin531/PUBLICODDSANDENDS# The front fender struts are attached high up on the fork legs, which makes it more flexy but also (I hope) will keep it from jamming the tire if a stick gets caught in it. I more recently swapped the double zip ties for plastic seatpost reflector brackets to fit the very fat fork legs. Presumably these provide a backup QR, since (again, one hopes) they will break if a stick gets caught in the front tire. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: fenders off road?
I rode my Bleriot everywhere w/ Honjos, no problemo... http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/1562380216/in/set-72157602404121251/ On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 7:52 AM, John McMurry johnmcmu...@gmail.com wrote: On Jan 14, 12:47 am, J L subfas...@gmail.com wrote: My Saluki has been seeing more action on the trails than the pavement, enough so that I am considering some minor setup changes to better function on the trails. The bikes is currently setup as a rack laden commuter. Is there any disadvantage to metal fenders in this situation? Any other setup tips? That depends on: How technical the trails are that you're riding, and; What percentage of riding time the Saluki is actually off-road. The primary concern of using fenders on off-road trails is being thrown over the bars when a stick catches your fender stays or an object funnels up into the fork crown. Secondary concerns are bending/breaking the fenders on drops, rattling noise from twigs/stones making their way through and mud piling up in the fender and dragging on your tire. That said, I ride my fendered Saluki on as many jeep trails that my friends and I can find here in Vermont. But, if I mostly rode my Saluki on technical, singletrack trails, I'd remove the fenders, provided I had another nice bike with fenders on it. John McMurry Burlington, VT -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
