Re: [RBW] Sam Hillborne, Oregon Outback, Off-roading and the ?: 2 bikes or 2 sets of wheels?
Or, for fans of The Decemberists … The Rake’s Song: http://youtu.be/srAjD6JBlOU http://youtu.be/srAjD6JBlOU —Eric N campyonly...@me.com www.campyonly.com www.wheelsnorth.org Blog: http://campyonlyguy.blogspot.com Twitter: @campyonlyguy On Nov 21, 2014, at 10:59 AM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On 11/21/2014 01:00 PM, Patrick Moore wrote: I recall fixing clearance on a beater Schwinn Tempo frame at the rear brake bridge with a hammer. It worked! Fixed gear, of course -- my first one, in fact. Wanted to fit a 26 mm tire. (Don't tell Steve ...) Plate 1 of The Rake's Progress... 1280px-William_Hogarth_021.jpg -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Sam Hillborne, Oregon Outback, Off-roading and the ?: 2 bikes or 2 sets of wheels?
The Thunder Burt looks like a very nice off road tire -- Schwalbe claims 575 grams for the 2.25 29er size. I may have to try that one when my Furious Freds wear out -- the bigger knobs and greater width would be welcome in sand and for washboard. $92 each! But a close to perfect tire is worth the money, IMO. The Furious Freds, OTOH, roll quite fast on pavement despite the vestigial knobs and are proving surprisingly durable for the minimalist tread. On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 10:17 PM, Mike S mikeshalj...@gmail.com wrote: Patrick Moore, evading the ever-present, quasi-adverb so, in ABQ, NM You salty dog! On Sunday, November 16, 2014 3:13:50 PM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote: Can the Sam Hill take a 50 mm tire? Mine was (IIRC) a 2010 model, and I doubt it would fit a tire so wide. *IF* it takes such a width, my own, personal choice would be the Sam Hill. Though I disliked aspects of mine (sold it before I'd owned it 12 months because it was doggy-ish as a road bike), I think I'd keep one that could take 55 mm tires; indeed, I think I'd sell my Fargo to purchase a Sam Hill with 55 mm tires, even if the clearances around those 55s were minimal. An off road Sam Hill would be wonderful. As for moderately aggressive tires in the 50 mm or so width: The Furious Fred is wonderfully light (*360 grams on a Pelouze mail scale for the 622X50*) and has enough tread to make a slight difference compared to slicks on loose dirt. But it has absolutely no resistance to thorns. I rectify this with Stan's, in a tubeless setup, and the combination is wonderful in goathead land. The Big Apple is much heavier, but a nice rolling tire withal considering (a) its bulk and (b) the effective puncture belt; and it withstands goatheads wonderfully* without recourse to sealant. (Caveat: I've used 559 and 622 60 mm Big Apples in the garden variety wire bead model and in the Liteskin model, no longer made.) * Withstands, vi, to wit: it won't keep a goathead thorn from penetrating after several pavement rotations; but I've rolled out from dirt excursions with literally scores of goatheads stuck to the tread, flicked them off, and ridden home without any air loss. IOW, the thorn has to work hard to get through the BA's puncture belt. *And*, the tire rolls surprisingly well compared to other belted tires, which are pure shite in that regard. Patrick Moore, evading the ever-present, quasi-adverb so, in ABQ, NM On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 3:33 PM, Mike S mikesh...@gmail.com wrote: So I currently have my Sam Hillborne as my only bike, though I was considering adding a front suspension/disc-brake mountain bike to the stable. There's a deal for a Jamis 650B dragon pro on the interwebs now for $1400, but I'm thinking I could rather add a second set of very nice wheels with fatter tires instead. My main reason to do this is so that first of all, I can have a set of slicks and a set of studded tires in the winter, as I live in a very icy/snowy area and am bummed out by having just studded tank tires to ride in winter. Beyond that, I want to have a set of wheels with a 55mm-ish tire that can handle most gravel/firetrail/light singletrack in a ride like the Oregon Outback, as I am hoping to actually do that ride this summer. It would also just be nice to have this set of wheels that can handle more aggressive off-road riding to go explore different areas where I'm at (Eastern Washington). So, I guess the question I pose to the group is: better to have a second, cheap-ish mountain bike or a second set of really nice wheels to maximize the All-Rounderness of a Hillborne? I've been thinking also about Jan Heine's opinion that a rigid all-road bike with fat tires is the Porsche 911 of a gravel-orientated ride, and I want to stick with that plan. Also, what are some ideas about the best tire model to do this kind of riding? I think that 50-54mm with a moderately aggressive tread would be perfect, but I'm wondering if there is something better than the Smart Sam? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. Other professional writing services. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Patrick Moore Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique, Vereinigte Staaten * *[I]n exploring the physical universe man has made no attempt to explore himself. Much of what goes by the name of pleasure is simply an effort to destroy consciousness. If one started by
Re: [RBW] Sam Hillborne, Oregon Outback, Off-roading and the ?: 2 bikes or 2 sets of wheels?
Panaracer firecross 700x45 BG Rock and Road Soma Cazadero 29x1.75 Smart Sam (If it ever becomes available again) Vee Rubber 12 and Kenda Small block 8 are all good tire choices for your existing frame and plenty capable off road. Have fun! On Sunday, November 16, 2014 5:14:45 PM UTC-8, Mike S wrote: I agree on the versatility of more than one bike, but the thing is, it takes about $4000 for me to get a bike that I like every single aspect of, like my Sam Hillborne ;) . The option I was looking at is a Jamis Dragon 650b, but I would rather stick with my Sam since it is so perfect in so many regards, the only apparent limitation being an upper limit of about 48mm without a fender. I wonder if the Furious Fred tubeless setup would work for me... On Sunday, November 16, 2014 3:47:55 PM UTC-8, Eric Daume wrote: Unless you're absolutely jammed for space, two bikes is a lot more versatile than one, regardless of extra wheelsets. On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 5:33 PM, Mike S mikesh...@gmail.com wrote: So I currently have my Sam Hillborne as my only bike, though I was considering adding a front suspension/disc-brake mountain bike to the stable. There's a deal for a Jamis 650B dragon pro on the interwebs now for $1400, but I'm thinking I could rather add a second set of very nice wheels with fatter tires instead. My main reason to do this is so that first of all, I can have a set of slicks and a set of studded tires in the winter, as I live in a very icy/snowy area and am bummed out by having just studded tank tires to ride in winter. Beyond that, I want to have a set of wheels with a 55mm-ish tire that can handle most gravel/firetrail/light singletrack in a ride like the Oregon Outback, as I am hoping to actually do that ride this summer. It would also just be nice to have this set of wheels that can handle more aggressive off-road riding to go explore different areas where I'm at (Eastern Washington). So, I guess the question I pose to the group is: better to have a second, cheap-ish mountain bike or a second set of really nice wheels to maximize the All-Rounderness of a Hillborne? I've been thinking also about Jan Heine's opinion that a rigid all-road bike with fat tires is the Porsche 911 of a gravel-orientated ride, and I want to stick with that plan. Also, what are some ideas about the best tire model to do this kind of riding? I think that 50-54mm with a moderately aggressive tread would be perfect, but I'm wondering if there is something better than the Smart Sam? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Sam Hillborne, Oregon Outback, Off-roading and the ?: 2 bikes or 2 sets of wheels?
Patrick Moore, evading the ever-present, quasi-adverb so, in ABQ, NM You salty dog! On Sunday, November 16, 2014 3:13:50 PM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote: Can the Sam Hill take a 50 mm tire? Mine was (IIRC) a 2010 model, and I doubt it would fit a tire so wide. *IF* it takes such a width, my own, personal choice would be the Sam Hill. Though I disliked aspects of mine (sold it before I'd owned it 12 months because it was doggy-ish as a road bike), I think I'd keep one that could take 55 mm tires; indeed, I think I'd sell my Fargo to purchase a Sam Hill with 55 mm tires, even if the clearances around those 55s were minimal. An off road Sam Hill would be wonderful. As for moderately aggressive tires in the 50 mm or so width: The Furious Fred is wonderfully light (*360 grams on a Pelouze mail scale for the 622X50*) and has enough tread to make a slight difference compared to slicks on loose dirt. But it has absolutely no resistance to thorns. I rectify this with Stan's, in a tubeless setup, and the combination is wonderful in goathead land. The Big Apple is much heavier, but a nice rolling tire withal considering (a) its bulk and (b) the effective puncture belt; and it withstands goatheads wonderfully* without recourse to sealant. (Caveat: I've used 559 and 622 60 mm Big Apples in the garden variety wire bead model and in the Liteskin model, no longer made.) * Withstands, vi, to wit: it won't keep a goathead thorn from penetrating after several pavement rotations; but I've rolled out from dirt excursions with literally scores of goatheads stuck to the tread, flicked them off, and ridden home without any air loss. IOW, the thorn has to work hard to get through the BA's puncture belt. *And*, the tire rolls surprisingly well compared to other belted tires, which are pure shite in that regard. Patrick Moore, evading the ever-present, quasi-adverb so, in ABQ, NM On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 3:33 PM, Mike S mikesh...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: So I currently have my Sam Hillborne as my only bike, though I was considering adding a front suspension/disc-brake mountain bike to the stable. There's a deal for a Jamis 650B dragon pro on the interwebs now for $1400, but I'm thinking I could rather add a second set of very nice wheels with fatter tires instead. My main reason to do this is so that first of all, I can have a set of slicks and a set of studded tires in the winter, as I live in a very icy/snowy area and am bummed out by having just studded tank tires to ride in winter. Beyond that, I want to have a set of wheels with a 55mm-ish tire that can handle most gravel/firetrail/light singletrack in a ride like the Oregon Outback, as I am hoping to actually do that ride this summer. It would also just be nice to have this set of wheels that can handle more aggressive off-road riding to go explore different areas where I'm at (Eastern Washington). So, I guess the question I pose to the group is: better to have a second, cheap-ish mountain bike or a second set of really nice wheels to maximize the All-Rounderness of a Hillborne? I've been thinking also about Jan Heine's opinion that a rigid all-road bike with fat tires is the Porsche 911 of a gravel-orientated ride, and I want to stick with that plan. Also, what are some ideas about the best tire model to do this kind of riding? I think that 50-54mm with a moderately aggressive tread would be perfect, but I'm wondering if there is something better than the Smart Sam? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. Other professional writing services. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Patrick Moore Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique, Vereinigte Staaten * *[I]n exploring the physical universe man has made no attempt to explore himself. Much of what goes by the name of pleasure is simply an effort to destroy consciousness. If one started by asking, what is man? what are his needs? how can he best express himself? one would discover that merely having the power to avoid work and live one’s life from birth to death in electric light and to the tune of tinned music is not a reason for doing so.”* * -- George Orwell, Pleasure Spots* *Though I speak with the tongues of men and of
[RBW] Sam Hillborne, Oregon Outback, Off-roading and the ?: 2 bikes or 2 sets of wheels?
It sounds like your decision has been made. I'd probably make the same choice, and ride my Quickbeam with 40mm knobbies. I think volume trumps knobs, though. As far as groovy bikes in large sizes go, the Singular Gryphon is nice. Rigid, drop bar bike, fits 2.4 tires. The XL is big. Philip www.biketinker.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Sam Hillborne, Oregon Outback, Off-roading and the ?: 2 bikes or 2 sets of wheels?
So I currently have my Sam Hillborne as my only bike, though I was considering adding a front suspension/disc-brake mountain bike to the stable. There's a deal for a Jamis 650B dragon pro on the interwebs now for $1400, but I'm thinking I could rather add a second set of very nice wheels with fatter tires instead. My main reason to do this is so that first of all, I can have a set of slicks and a set of studded tires in the winter, as I live in a very icy/snowy area and am bummed out by having just studded tank tires to ride in winter. Beyond that, I want to have a set of wheels with a 55mm-ish tire that can handle most gravel/firetrail/light singletrack in a ride like the Oregon Outback, as I am hoping to actually do that ride this summer. It would also just be nice to have this set of wheels that can handle more aggressive off-road riding to go explore different areas where I'm at (Eastern Washington). So, I guess the question I pose to the group is: better to have a second, cheap-ish mountain bike or a second set of really nice wheels to maximize the All-Rounderness of a Hillborne? I've been thinking also about Jan Heine's opinion that a rigid all-road bike with fat tires is the Porsche 911 of a gravel-orientated ride, and I want to stick with that plan. Also, what are some ideas about the best tire model to do this kind of riding? I think that 50-54mm with a moderately aggressive tread would be perfect, but I'm wondering if there is something better than the Smart Sam? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Sam Hillborne, Oregon Outback, Off-roading and the ?: 2 bikes or 2 sets of wheels?
Can the Sam Hill take a 50 mm tire? Mine was (IIRC) a 2010 model, and I doubt it would fit a tire so wide. *IF* it takes such a width, my own, personal choice would be the Sam Hill. Though I disliked aspects of mine (sold it before I'd owned it 12 months because it was doggy-ish as a road bike), I think I'd keep one that could take 55 mm tires; indeed, I think I'd sell my Fargo to purchase a Sam Hill with 55 mm tires, even if the clearances around those 55s were minimal. An off road Sam Hill would be wonderful. As for moderately aggressive tires in the 50 mm or so width: The Furious Fred is wonderfully light (*360 grams on a Pelouze mail scale for the 622X50*) and has enough tread to make a slight difference compared to slicks on loose dirt. But it has absolutely no resistance to thorns. I rectify this with Stan's, in a tubeless setup, and the combination is wonderful in goathead land. The Big Apple is much heavier, but a nice rolling tire withal considering (a) its bulk and (b) the effective puncture belt; and it withstands goatheads wonderfully* without recourse to sealant. (Caveat: I've used 559 and 622 60 mm Big Apples in the garden variety wire bead model and in the Liteskin model, no longer made.) * Withstands, vi, to wit: it won't keep a goathead thorn from penetrating after several pavement rotations; but I've rolled out from dirt excursions with literally scores of goatheads stuck to the tread, flicked them off, and ridden home without any air loss. IOW, the thorn has to work hard to get through the BA's puncture belt. *And*, the tire rolls surprisingly well compared to other belted tires, which are pure shite in that regard. Patrick Moore, evading the ever-present, quasi-adverb so, in ABQ, NM On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 3:33 PM, Mike S mikeshalj...@gmail.com wrote: So I currently have my Sam Hillborne as my only bike, though I was considering adding a front suspension/disc-brake mountain bike to the stable. There's a deal for a Jamis 650B dragon pro on the interwebs now for $1400, but I'm thinking I could rather add a second set of very nice wheels with fatter tires instead. My main reason to do this is so that first of all, I can have a set of slicks and a set of studded tires in the winter, as I live in a very icy/snowy area and am bummed out by having just studded tank tires to ride in winter. Beyond that, I want to have a set of wheels with a 55mm-ish tire that can handle most gravel/firetrail/light singletrack in a ride like the Oregon Outback, as I am hoping to actually do that ride this summer. It would also just be nice to have this set of wheels that can handle more aggressive off-road riding to go explore different areas where I'm at (Eastern Washington). So, I guess the question I pose to the group is: better to have a second, cheap-ish mountain bike or a second set of really nice wheels to maximize the All-Rounderness of a Hillborne? I've been thinking also about Jan Heine's opinion that a rigid all-road bike with fat tires is the Porsche 911 of a gravel-orientated ride, and I want to stick with that plan. Also, what are some ideas about the best tire model to do this kind of riding? I think that 50-54mm with a moderately aggressive tread would be perfect, but I'm wondering if there is something better than the Smart Sam? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. Other professional writing services. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Patrick Moore Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique, Vereinigte Staaten * *[I]n exploring the physical universe man has made no attempt to explore himself. Much of what goes by the name of pleasure is simply an effort to destroy consciousness. If one started by asking, what is man? what are his needs? how can he best express himself? one would discover that merely having the power to avoid work and live one’s life from birth to death in electric light and to the tune of tinned music is not a reason for doing so.”* * -- George Orwell, Pleasure Spots* *Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not money, I am become as a sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not money, I am nothing. And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be
Re: [RBW] Sam Hillborne, Oregon Outback, Off-roading and the ?: 2 bikes or 2 sets of wheels?
Interesting: I figured a tire like the new Cazadero would be just about perfect for most of the outback. I guess you'd need to walk a little but I don't figure that's too bad. Of course I have a 650b x 55 truck so... On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 2:33 PM, Mike S mikeshalj...@gmail.com wrote: So I currently have my Sam Hillborne as my only bike, though I was considering adding a front suspension/disc-brake mountain bike to the stable. There's a deal for a Jamis 650B dragon pro on the interwebs now for $1400, but I'm thinking I could rather add a second set of very nice wheels with fatter tires instead. My main reason to do this is so that first of all, I can have a set of slicks and a set of studded tires in the winter, as I live in a very icy/snowy area and am bummed out by having just studded tank tires to ride in winter. Beyond that, I want to have a set of wheels with a 55mm-ish tire that can handle most gravel/firetrail/light singletrack in a ride like the Oregon Outback, as I am hoping to actually do that ride this summer. It would also just be nice to have this set of wheels that can handle more aggressive off-road riding to go explore different areas where I'm at (Eastern Washington). So, I guess the question I pose to the group is: better to have a second, cheap-ish mountain bike or a second set of really nice wheels to maximize the All-Rounderness of a Hillborne? I've been thinking also about Jan Heine's opinion that a rigid all-road bike with fat tires is the Porsche 911 of a gravel-orientated ride, and I want to stick with that plan. Also, what are some ideas about the best tire model to do this kind of riding? I think that 50-54mm with a moderately aggressive tread would be perfect, but I'm wondering if there is something better than the Smart Sam? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- I want the kind of six pack you can't drink. -- Micah -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Sam Hillborne, Oregon Outback, Off-roading and the ?: 2 bikes or 2 sets of wheels?
I've been riding an OG green Sam H. with Hetres on all sorts of stuff including single track (unloaded) with sharp rocks and have had no problems off road. With Jan's recent showing on the OO I would be fine taking it as is on the OO. However, I would consider packing light as that's what Jan did. Also, I wouldn't be opposed to putting a stouter tire on. If your fit is comfortable on your Sam H. and you really like riding it, I would recommend that over getting a different bike that you may or may not like as much. Especially for a long ride where comfort is key. As far as studded tires, I rode year round for 4 years in Rochester, NY which has much more snow the E. Washington and in the winter I never used studded tires. My wheels were 27 so I put some small-studded cyclocross tires on for winter time (I searched for, but did not find studded tires in that size) and unless there was a literal sheet of ice it was just fine. Even with studs you aren't guaranteed not crashing on ice. The key is ride slow and be careful. I do admit I fell twice during those 4 years, but never was injured. Lucky, I guess. Those Cazadero's look awesome though. I may have to check them out. Thanks, Chris. Might be good for snow, too. Sorry, I don't have other tire recommendations. Good luck! Hope to see you on the Outback next year (I hope to go). -Aaron Young The Dalles, OR On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 3:13 PM, Chris Chen cc...@nougat.org wrote: Interesting: I figured a tire like the new Cazadero would be just about perfect for most of the outback. I guess you'd need to walk a little but I don't figure that's too bad. Of course I have a 650b x 55 truck so... On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 2:33 PM, Mike S mikeshalj...@gmail.com wrote: So I currently have my Sam Hillborne as my only bike, though I was considering adding a front suspension/disc-brake mountain bike to the stable. There's a deal for a Jamis 650B dragon pro on the interwebs now for $1400, but I'm thinking I could rather add a second set of very nice wheels with fatter tires instead. My main reason to do this is so that first of all, I can have a set of slicks and a set of studded tires in the winter, as I live in a very icy/snowy area and am bummed out by having just studded tank tires to ride in winter. Beyond that, I want to have a set of wheels with a 55mm-ish tire that can handle most gravel/firetrail/light singletrack in a ride like the Oregon Outback, as I am hoping to actually do that ride this summer. It would also just be nice to have this set of wheels that can handle more aggressive off-road riding to go explore different areas where I'm at (Eastern Washington). So, I guess the question I pose to the group is: better to have a second, cheap-ish mountain bike or a second set of really nice wheels to maximize the All-Rounderness of a Hillborne? I've been thinking also about Jan Heine's opinion that a rigid all-road bike with fat tires is the Porsche 911 of a gravel-orientated ride, and I want to stick with that plan. Also, what are some ideas about the best tire model to do this kind of riding? I think that 50-54mm with a moderately aggressive tread would be perfect, but I'm wondering if there is something better than the Smart Sam? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- I want the kind of six pack you can't drink. -- Micah -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Sam Hillborne, Oregon Outback, Off-roading and the ?: 2 bikes or 2 sets of wheels?
Unless you're absolutely jammed for space, two bikes is a lot more versatile than one, regardless of extra wheelsets. On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 5:33 PM, Mike S mikeshalj...@gmail.com wrote: So I currently have my Sam Hillborne as my only bike, though I was considering adding a front suspension/disc-brake mountain bike to the stable. There's a deal for a Jamis 650B dragon pro on the interwebs now for $1400, but I'm thinking I could rather add a second set of very nice wheels with fatter tires instead. My main reason to do this is so that first of all, I can have a set of slicks and a set of studded tires in the winter, as I live in a very icy/snowy area and am bummed out by having just studded tank tires to ride in winter. Beyond that, I want to have a set of wheels with a 55mm-ish tire that can handle most gravel/firetrail/light singletrack in a ride like the Oregon Outback, as I am hoping to actually do that ride this summer. It would also just be nice to have this set of wheels that can handle more aggressive off-road riding to go explore different areas where I'm at (Eastern Washington). So, I guess the question I pose to the group is: better to have a second, cheap-ish mountain bike or a second set of really nice wheels to maximize the All-Rounderness of a Hillborne? I've been thinking also about Jan Heine's opinion that a rigid all-road bike with fat tires is the Porsche 911 of a gravel-orientated ride, and I want to stick with that plan. Also, what are some ideas about the best tire model to do this kind of riding? I think that 50-54mm with a moderately aggressive tread would be perfect, but I'm wondering if there is something better than the Smart Sam? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Sam Hillborne, Oregon Outback, Off-roading and the ?: 2 bikes or 2 sets of wheels?
I agree on the versatility of more than one bike, but the thing is, it takes about $4000 for me to get a bike that I like every single aspect of, like my Sam Hillborne ;) . The option I was looking at is a Jamis Dragon 650b, but I would rather stick with my Sam since it is so perfect in so many regards, the only apparent limitation being an upper limit of about 48mm without a fender. I wonder if the Furious Fred tubeless setup would work for me... On Sunday, November 16, 2014 3:47:55 PM UTC-8, Eric Daume wrote: Unless you're absolutely jammed for space, two bikes is a lot more versatile than one, regardless of extra wheelsets. On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 5:33 PM, Mike S mikesh...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: So I currently have my Sam Hillborne as my only bike, though I was considering adding a front suspension/disc-brake mountain bike to the stable. There's a deal for a Jamis 650B dragon pro on the interwebs now for $1400, but I'm thinking I could rather add a second set of very nice wheels with fatter tires instead. My main reason to do this is so that first of all, I can have a set of slicks and a set of studded tires in the winter, as I live in a very icy/snowy area and am bummed out by having just studded tank tires to ride in winter. Beyond that, I want to have a set of wheels with a 55mm-ish tire that can handle most gravel/firetrail/light singletrack in a ride like the Oregon Outback, as I am hoping to actually do that ride this summer. It would also just be nice to have this set of wheels that can handle more aggressive off-road riding to go explore different areas where I'm at (Eastern Washington). So, I guess the question I pose to the group is: better to have a second, cheap-ish mountain bike or a second set of really nice wheels to maximize the All-Rounderness of a Hillborne? I've been thinking also about Jan Heine's opinion that a rigid all-road bike with fat tires is the Porsche 911 of a gravel-orientated ride, and I want to stick with that plan. Also, what are some ideas about the best tire model to do this kind of riding? I think that 50-54mm with a moderately aggressive tread would be perfect, but I'm wondering if there is something better than the Smart Sam? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Sam Hillborne, Oregon Outback, Off-roading and the ?: 2 bikes or 2 sets of wheels?
FWIW, the Jamis Dragon 650B is a 21 on clearance from Jenson USA at $1400 for a complete bike, and a fancy new White Industries wheelset for my Sam would be ~ $800. On Sunday, November 16, 2014 5:14:45 PM UTC-8, Mike S wrote: I agree on the versatility of more than one bike, but the thing is, it takes about $4000 for me to get a bike that I like every single aspect of, like my Sam Hillborne ;) . The option I was looking at is a Jamis Dragon 650b, but I would rather stick with my Sam since it is so perfect in so many regards, the only apparent limitation being an upper limit of about 48mm without a fender. I wonder if the Furious Fred tubeless setup would work for me... On Sunday, November 16, 2014 3:47:55 PM UTC-8, Eric Daume wrote: Unless you're absolutely jammed for space, two bikes is a lot more versatile than one, regardless of extra wheelsets. On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 5:33 PM, Mike S mikesh...@gmail.com wrote: So I currently have my Sam Hillborne as my only bike, though I was considering adding a front suspension/disc-brake mountain bike to the stable. There's a deal for a Jamis 650B dragon pro on the interwebs now for $1400, but I'm thinking I could rather add a second set of very nice wheels with fatter tires instead. My main reason to do this is so that first of all, I can have a set of slicks and a set of studded tires in the winter, as I live in a very icy/snowy area and am bummed out by having just studded tank tires to ride in winter. Beyond that, I want to have a set of wheels with a 55mm-ish tire that can handle most gravel/firetrail/light singletrack in a ride like the Oregon Outback, as I am hoping to actually do that ride this summer. It would also just be nice to have this set of wheels that can handle more aggressive off-road riding to go explore different areas where I'm at (Eastern Washington). So, I guess the question I pose to the group is: better to have a second, cheap-ish mountain bike or a second set of really nice wheels to maximize the All-Rounderness of a Hillborne? I've been thinking also about Jan Heine's opinion that a rigid all-road bike with fat tires is the Porsche 911 of a gravel-orientated ride, and I want to stick with that plan. Also, what are some ideas about the best tire model to do this kind of riding? I think that 50-54mm with a moderately aggressive tread would be perfect, but I'm wondering if there is something better than the Smart Sam? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Sam Hillborne, Oregon Outback, Off-roading and the ?: 2 bikes or 2 sets of wheels?
well then, ditch the fenders :) sure it'll be messy but that might be part of the fun On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 5:14 PM, Mike S mikeshalj...@gmail.com wrote: I agree on the versatility of more than one bike, but the thing is, it takes about $4000 for me to get a bike that I like every single aspect of, like my Sam Hillborne ;) . The option I was looking at is a Jamis Dragon 650b, but I would rather stick with my Sam since it is so perfect in so many regards, the only apparent limitation being an upper limit of about 48mm without a fender. I wonder if the Furious Fred tubeless setup would work for me... On Sunday, November 16, 2014 3:47:55 PM UTC-8, Eric Daume wrote: Unless you're absolutely jammed for space, two bikes is a lot more versatile than one, regardless of extra wheelsets. On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 5:33 PM, Mike S mikesh...@gmail.com wrote: So I currently have my Sam Hillborne as my only bike, though I was considering adding a front suspension/disc-brake mountain bike to the stable. There's a deal for a Jamis 650B dragon pro on the interwebs now for $1400, but I'm thinking I could rather add a second set of very nice wheels with fatter tires instead. My main reason to do this is so that first of all, I can have a set of slicks and a set of studded tires in the winter, as I live in a very icy/snowy area and am bummed out by having just studded tank tires to ride in winter. Beyond that, I want to have a set of wheels with a 55mm-ish tire that can handle most gravel/firetrail/light singletrack in a ride like the Oregon Outback, as I am hoping to actually do that ride this summer. It would also just be nice to have this set of wheels that can handle more aggressive off-road riding to go explore different areas where I'm at (Eastern Washington). So, I guess the question I pose to the group is: better to have a second, cheap-ish mountain bike or a second set of really nice wheels to maximize the All-Rounderness of a Hillborne? I've been thinking also about Jan Heine's opinion that a rigid all-road bike with fat tires is the Porsche 911 of a gravel-orientated ride, and I want to stick with that plan. Also, what are some ideas about the best tire model to do this kind of riding? I think that 50-54mm with a moderately aggressive tread would be perfect, but I'm wondering if there is something better than the Smart Sam? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- I want the kind of six pack you can't drink. -- Micah -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
