Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

2020-03-20 Thread 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch
Chances are, Bruce, that Eric simply replied via email, so had no way to see the thread was deleted prior to your response. With abandon, Patrick On Friday, March 20, 2020 at 6:27:48 PM UTC-6, Fullylugged wrote: > > Eric: > > Jim deleted the parent thread to this post and asked that we stop

Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

2020-03-20 Thread Fullylugged
Eric: Jim deleted the parent thread to this post and asked that we stop it. Please do. Thanks Bruce -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an

Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

2020-03-20 Thread Eric Daume
It’s only a very tiny bit of snake oil. On Friday, March 20, 2020, Joe Bernard wrote: > Yeah no, I'm not buying snake oil. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails

Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

2020-03-20 Thread DHans
Yeah, I agree let’s not debate these unrelated issues. I defended DP from others but I think the last post may be a bridge too far. Let’s stick to bikes. Doug -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group

Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

2020-03-20 Thread Bruce Herbitter
Hey all. Homeopathic remedies have no place on this bike list. Specifically arguing about it. Can we please stop posts either way? I hope the virus crisis passes soon and with as little impact as possible so we can all worry about saddle height and if chainstays have gotten too long Regards

Re: Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

2020-03-20 Thread David Bivins
Glad you're on the mend, neighbor! David B also in Brooklyn On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 9:25 AM lambbo wrote: > I just tested positive for Coronavirus! > > Good news is I'm healthy (after flu-like symptoms that were no fun) and my > baby daughter and wife (who is a CNM, NP and works at Mount Sinai

Re: Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

2020-03-20 Thread Curtis McKenzie
Glad you are feeling better and your family is fine. Curtis El Cajon, CA On Fri, Mar 20, 2020, 6:25 AM lambbo wrote: > I just tested positive for Coronavirus! > > Good news is I'm healthy (after flu-like symptoms that were no fun) and my > baby daughter and wife (who is a CNM, NP and works at

Re: Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

2020-03-20 Thread Bill Lindsay
Best wishes for a speedy and complete recovery. Bill Lindsay El Cerrito, CA On Friday, March 20, 2020 at 6:25:07 AM UTC-7, lambbo wrote: > > I just tested positive for Coronavirus! > > Good news is I'm healthy (after flu-like symptoms that were no fun) and my > baby daughter and wife (who is

Re: Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

2020-03-20 Thread lambbo
I just tested positive for Coronavirus! Good news is I'm healthy (after flu-like symptoms that were no fun) and my baby daughter and wife (who is a CNM, NP and works at Mount Sinai West), are all fine and have not bad symptoms, and in fact we've done a great job quarantining, and *could *go

RE: Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

2020-03-20 Thread Joe Bernard
Yes you posted this already. I'm in California, not Alabama, and I'm not convinced a group ride of any distances from each other will be allowed. I mean obviously it's hard to enforce and you may not get stopped, but it's not in the spirit of what we're being asked to do here. -- You

RE: Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

2020-03-20 Thread Bruce Herbitter
19, 2020 10:11 PMTo: RBW Owners BunchSubject: Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World In California - we were already under the Shelter In Place this week in Marin County - it means you can walk and bike alone, and drive to get groceries, gas, takeout food. I've been out there and there's

Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

2020-03-20 Thread Joe Bernard
Daniel, it's good to hear that's the "if we did nothing" number, although I suspect the eventual "we did something" number will still be harrowing. All, I have no interest in debates about homeopathy, I just know this: Right now we have a shockingly contagious virus that's killing people,

Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

2020-03-20 Thread Eric G@rs
Patrick (Moore, not Deacon), I agree with your assessment that “if there is anything unscientific, it's blanket, unanalyzed statements about what is and what isn't science.” I assume that you are referring to what I said about homeopathy given that you make specific mention of it in your

Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

2020-03-20 Thread Eric G@rs
Patrick (Moore, not Deacon), I agree with your assessment that “if there is anything unscientific, it's blanket, unanalyzed statements about what is and what isn't science.” I assume that you are referring to what I said about homeopathy given that you make specific mention of it in your

Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

2020-03-20 Thread Daniel D.
A spokesperson for Newsom later told Politico that the 56 percent number reflects the infection rate if "mitigation efforts aren't taken into account." https://m.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/california-coronavirus-numbers-newsom-trump-15144169.php On Thursday, March 19, 2020 at 8:11:29 PM UTC-7,

RE: Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

2020-03-19 Thread Bruce Herbitter
19, 2020 10:11 PMTo: RBW Owners BunchSubject: Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World In California - we were already under the Shelter In Place this week in Marin County - it means you can walk and bike alone, and drive to get groceries, gas, takeout food. I've been out there and there's

Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

2020-03-19 Thread Joe Bernard
In California - we were already under the Shelter In Place this week in Marin County - it means you can walk and bike alone, and drive to get groceries, gas, takeout food. I've been out there and there's a few cars and bikes around, but it's unusually quiet. What you don't want to do is get

Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

2020-03-19 Thread Addisonwilhite
I enjoyed a nice ride here in Reno today. Lots of families out at the parks with kids which seemed weird. Good to get out. Sorry no photos. Rode one of my beautiful Della Santas. Came home with a smile on my face. Addison RENO Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 19, 2020, at 7:43 PM, Eric

Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

2020-03-19 Thread Addisonwilhite
I’m a rationalist, humanist, atheist, Buddhist, and find Deacon Patrick’s last response reflective and poignant. Whatever faith we have or don’t have this is a time to not only think of others but “serve” them as well. We are in this together! Much respect and love to you all, Addison Reno

Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

2020-03-19 Thread Eric Floden
We are not locked down in Vancouver BC, but we live on a well used bike route (York Avenue). One of my pastimes is sitting on the balcony watching the bikes go by. What fun! Great way to drink my coffee. Anyway, in the last week, almost no group rides, certainly none greater than say 4. However,

Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

2020-03-19 Thread Drw
So to move on... what does the stay at home thing mean for biking? Also weren’t you SF people already under this ordinance? Are people actually doing it? Unfortunately I don’t really see people in LA adhering to this without some sort of repercussions for not. -- You received this message

Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

2020-03-19 Thread 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch
The mistake was mine. I never intended to stir up discord and apologize for doing so. I bow out of this thread and topic and pray the healing balm of peace may wrap each of us in the challenges we face, freeing us to serve those around us. With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message

Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

2020-03-19 Thread Joe Bernard
Meanwhile California is in a statewide Stay At Home, whatever-the-hell THAT means. So yay. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

2020-03-19 Thread DHans
Thank you for posting this Patrick Moore. It is tiring hearing cliches such as climate denier and science denier used to ridicule a person who has obviously given these topics much thought, right or wrong they may be. And, to also ridicule their religion in one post and then in the next post of

Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

2020-03-19 Thread Patrick Moore
Those of you making blanket statements about what science is or is not, or what is scientific and what is not, please post your probative research, including methodology and procedures. Also clearly isolate and state your assumed premises. Or post research by others who have done this. If there

Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

2020-03-19 Thread Robert Tilley
I've been riding "seriously" now for 35 years and I have never been hospitalized for anything yet. I also hike, snowboard, paddleboard, etc. and haven't had an injury yet that has caused me to go in. I have crashed and been hit by cars but I was lucky and got out with no serious injuries. The

Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

2020-03-19 Thread Bill Lindsay
Steve asked: "Do you stay out of the bathtub for the same reason? " Great question. I probably have averaged 1 or 2 baths per year over the last 2 decades, but that's mainly for water conservation reasons. I probably take about 5 showers per week on average. I confess that fear of injury does

Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

2020-03-19 Thread Steve Palincsar
On 3/19/20 9:37 AM, Bill Lindsay wrote: This thought is weighing on me as well. I ride solo >95% of the time. Two very old and very dear friends wanted to get together for a leisurely ride, and I begged off for this reason. It's an extremely low risk, but if one of us crashes, and needs to

RE: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

2020-03-19 Thread Joe Bernard
The mortality rate should go down as more people are tested and we get a more realistic figure of how many have it and are surviving. But even a 2% mortality rate for a virus this monstrously contagious..well..I hoped I would never see this day... -- You received this message because you

RE: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

2020-03-19 Thread Bruce Herbitter
I look at the total # of resolved cases (either died or recovered) which gives a mortality rate currently around 10%. About that same as SARS which is also a Corona Virus but less contagious. Expectation is that 40% - 70% of the US population will get it at some point.  Unfortunately, we have no

Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

2020-03-16 Thread Bill Lindsay
For those who don't like to click on links to articles, the Bicycling Magazine article linked in this post interviews a doctor who recommends that solo-riding is the safest course of action. It also says being outdoors by yourself is good for you and also makes clear that UV exposure kills

Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

2020-03-16 Thread Garth
I was thinking the same thing of you Patrick. I appreciate everyone all of this . I appreciate LIFE and all of LIFE's Aliveness which is as much "us"... as "we" LIFE . This comes to mind about dis-agreement, and how that simply never happens in reality. Think about about

Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

2020-03-16 Thread 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch
Shall we virtual pace line in a museum hop and discuss art? I'm partial to the classics. https://www.travelandleisure.com/attractions/museums-galleries/museums-with-virtual-tours With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners

Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

2020-03-16 Thread 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch
Jan's piece is well done, and puts it all in perspective with reference to cycling limitations during WWII. https://www.renehersecycles.com/adjusting-to-new-realities/ With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group.

Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

2020-03-16 Thread Fullylugged
As a RUSA RBA, my events are still on, and I have reminded riders about social distance, no snot rockets, don't come if you have a cough or are sneezing etc. As ride committee chair for our local bike club, our rides are still on, same rules. The # of riders is not large on any given outing.

Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

2020-03-16 Thread Garth
( ( ( smiling ) ) ) We're all kinda just looking out for our friends after all, like Sid the Science Kid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sa_cIOFfqrQ And a Barnyard Boogieing with the Muppets you just can't stand still !

Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

2020-03-15 Thread j.schwartz
Thanks Justin totally agree This group needs to stay in it's lane or it's really not worth being a part of. On Sunday, March 15, 2020 at 8:16:07 PM UTC-4, Justin, Oakland wrote: > > As someone who has two loved ones on the front lines and another at high > risk all of this anti-science

Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

2020-03-15 Thread masmojo
As chance would have it; I lost my job just as this was starting to blow up, but I can't breath easy even though the kids are out of school because my wife is a nurse. :-( As an aside (and qualifying it with a disclaimer, because I am not a medical professional) I *THINK* this YouTube channel

Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

2020-03-15 Thread Jay Lonner
My wife and I are both hospital-based physicians in northwest Washington state so we are very much on the front lines of this. I have also noticed plenty of anti-science in this thread, but have resisted (and will continue to resist) calling it out because a listserv dedicated to Rivendell

Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

2020-03-15 Thread Joe Bernard
The answer to the OP's question is riding in groups with decent distance yes, pacelines no  -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

2020-03-15 Thread 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch
Again, anti-science? Please, help me understand what this means and where it appears in this conversation. Please, be specific. With abandon, Patrick On Sunday, March 15, 2020 at 6:57:29 PM UTC-6, Daniel M wrote: > > Thank you for calling it out, Justin. > > It's insidious and it's dangerous.

Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

2020-03-15 Thread Daniel M
Thank you for calling it out, Justin. It's insidious and it's dangerous. Daniel M Berkeley, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

2020-03-15 Thread 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch
Who here has voiced anything anti-science, Justin? On Sunday, March 15, 2020 at 6:16:07 PM UTC-6, Justin, Oakland wrote: > > As someone who has two loved ones on the front lines and another at high > risk all of this anti-science dismissal confirms my choice to step away > from this group as a

Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

2020-03-15 Thread Justin, Oakland
As someone who has two loved ones on the front lines and another at high risk all of this anti-science dismissal confirms my choice to step away from this group as a contributing member. It’s fucking gross, dangerous and will potentially have seriously damaging impacts on people. Grow up.

Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

2020-03-15 Thread 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch
We do need all of us, in humble kindness. The world is experiencing something unprecedented, both in the rapidly spreading new coronavirus and the more rapidly spreading virus of fear. That we may the better apply ourselves to addressing the virus, let kindness and reason rule our hearts,

Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

2020-03-15 Thread Joe Bernard
Party on, Garth! 藍 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit

Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

2020-03-15 Thread Patrick Moore
Garth -- I appreciate your good nature. Patrick On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 4:59 PM Garth wrote: > > ( ( ( ( Laughing ) ) ) )With Patrick Moore. > > > > You know . if anyone appreciates lullabies as I do . here's a > couple of my favorites. It's amazing the depth and breadth

Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

2020-03-15 Thread Leah Peterson
You know, we just need all of us. That’s what I’m going with from now on. Just got word Nevada has no school until middle of April at least. We’re grounded these days, I imagine we’ll all be ”seeing” each other a bit more here. Like family! Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 15, 2020, at 3:59 PM,

Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

2020-03-15 Thread Garth
( ( ( ( Laughing ) ) ) )With Patrick Moore. You know . if anyone appreciates lullabies as I do . here's a couple of my favorites. It's amazing the depth and breadth what one feels, hears and sees from what appears to be "mere child's play". In celebration of what LIFE

Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

2020-03-15 Thread George Schick
Deborah - this supports what I heard on the local news channel last night. Our governor, like many, has nixed all get-togethers, whether schools, churches, movies, or other social events of over 250 people for a period of 2 weeks, i.e., until the end of the month. However, a comment from a

Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

2020-03-15 Thread Austin B.
No over the shoulder loogies applies at all times, not just during pandemics! And here's something that will eat up 8 minutes of your isolation if you've never seen it: The Backwards Bicycle Brain https://youtu.be/MFzDaBzBlL0 Cheers, Austin Sykesville, MD On Sunday, March 15, 2020 at

Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

2020-03-15 Thread lambbo
:) and no over the shoulder loogies! On Sunday, March 15, 2020 at 3:32:16 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > And no snot rockets. > On 3/15/20 3:26 PM, Joe Bernard wrote: > > Truth is Truth: Ride steel bikes with at least one lug, don't paceline > ‍♀️‍♂️ > > > -- > Steve Palincsar >

Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

2020-03-15 Thread Steve Palincsar
And no snot rockets. On 3/15/20 3:26 PM, Joe Bernard wrote: Truth is Truth: Ride steel bikes with at least one lug, don't paceline ‍♀️‍♂️ -- Steve Palincsar Alexandria, Virginia USA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To

Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

2020-03-15 Thread Joe Bernard
Truth is Truth: Ride steel bikes with at least one lug, don't paceline ‍♀️‍♂️ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

2020-03-15 Thread Patrick Moore
I agree with this as long as I am able to yank Garth's chain. On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 12:13 PM lambbo wrote: > While a great source of community and bike/Rivendell related > information...it is easy to consider this entire endeavor a foolish waste > of time if we're shutting people down and

Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

2020-03-15 Thread Patrick Moore
*He delighted to tread upon the brink of meaning, where light and darkness begin to mingle; to approach the precipice of absurdity, and hover over the abyss of unideal vacancy ...* Patrick Moore, who did not either have to look that up, in ABQ, NM On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 11:43 AM Garth wrote:

Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

2020-03-15 Thread lambbo
While a great source of community and bike/Rivendell related information...it is easy to consider this entire endeavor a foolish waste of time if we're shutting people down and arguing about who should be able to say what when. I appreciate Garth's odd posts. I'm personally quarantined

Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

2020-03-15 Thread Steve Palincsar
It's not censorship to think your comments on this issue are a foolish waste of time. On 3/15/20 1:43 PM, Garth wrote: What I expressed is as worthy of expression as anything else on this or any topic, including yours. What's done is done . censorship censored. On Sunday, March 15,

Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

2020-03-15 Thread Garth
What I expressed is as worthy of expression as anything else on this or any topic, including yours. What's done is done . censorship censored. On Sunday, March 15, 2020 at 11:25:15 AM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote: > If you have nothing worthwhile to say on the subject, perhaps not

Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

2020-03-15 Thread Deborah Coffin
Keeping this in mind: Half of the overall cases are expected within a period of a few weeks, with 95% in a period of around 10 weeks. >From columnist Megan McArdle: There’s an old brain teaser that goes like this: >You have a pond of a certain size, and upon that pond, a single lilypad. This

Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

2020-03-15 Thread 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch
“I keep hearing "10-20 times more deadly than the flu" and then "80% of infected people are invisible because they are untested and asymptomatic." Those two statements seem to not make sense together except to say we have yet to understand what is happening.” Not so hard for me to grasp. Even

Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

2020-03-15 Thread Leah Peterson
Doug, you’re a *sweetheart* and thanks for your kind words. I am not on the front lines of this for now; I echo your sentiments for all the healthcare workers who ARE. I’ve followed the stories of some of the nurses fighting COID-19 in other countries and it’s demoralizing. I hope you all are

Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

2020-03-15 Thread Steve Palincsar
If you have nothing worthwhile to say on the subject, perhaps not saying anything might be a wise choice. On 3/15/20 10:09 AM, Garth wrote:    You have no say in the matter. On Sunday, March 15, 2020 at 8:39:57 AM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote: Garth, this really isn't the time for

Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

2020-03-15 Thread Garth
You have no say in the matter. On Sunday, March 15, 2020 at 8:39:57 AM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > Garth, this really isn't the time for this kind of prattle. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To

Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

2020-03-15 Thread Steve Palincsar
Garth, this really isn't the time for this kind of prattle. On 3/15/20 6:41 AM, Garth wrote: Reminds of these few movie scene words with Uncle Jack and Tom "You want answers ? .I want the Truth You can't handle the Truth" The Truth is The Truth is The Truth . Truth, The Whole

Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

2020-03-15 Thread Steve Palincsar
On 3/14/20 11:38 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote: Philip, as it’s been in our country for ages, we have some natural immunity to influenza. Not to mention vaccines that provide acquired immunity. We have none to COVID-19. COVID-19 is a virus new to us, and a vaccine is

Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

2020-03-14 Thread Patrick Moore
Patrick: Thanks for this. I am keeping an open mind -- and careful behavior -- but you are not the only one to bring up such statistics. 5,388 worldwide for the corona virus, so far. At least I was so unaware of this that I didn't know of these figures until I read your post just now. Again, I