I think there's another factor, which is that he's not designing a bike
that will be resold in 2-3 years for the latest/greatest gadget. The
average mountain biker upgrades much more frequently than I do, and gravel
bikes have evolved quickly as well to try to get people onto the upgrade
Love the look of your bike. It’s even so much better when it’s “just
perfect”. Dyno- yes, absolutely the best. Enjoy the ride!
I’m sending you a PM about tires. I have a barely ridden pair that you
might be interested in. Check your spam folder if not in your inbox by
midnight.
Roberta
On
I do like that sentiment. In the spirit of avoiding being too precious to
use the bike as much as it should be, I sold the Charlie Gallop because I
finally accepted that it was basically my other Riv(s) but I was just more
willing to lock it up (within reason). It wasn't a good enough reason for
650B. It looks huge because it is..this is in a sense a frame built for a
disability, I have arthritis in my hands and asked for a super-upright
Bosco Bars bike. He's never mentioned how he got to this design but what I
see and feel is Grant stretched the front way out there, then added a very
I've approached this thought experiment from every angle before. Given that
I participate in a wide range of types of cycling (brevets, errands,
commutes, multi-surface exploration, bikepacking / touring, and technical
mountain biking) it really comes down to what is the number of bikes I own
Very enjoyable read and photos! Thanks for sharing Eric.
-Danny
On Thu, Nov 17, 2022 at 8:44 PM DavidP wrote:
> What a fantastic loop and a great place to overnight. Thanks for sharing!
>
> On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 9:40:38 PM UTC-5 brizbarn wrote:
>
>> Great write up! Not sleeping on
Chris,
I've heard this too, about the trade secret numbers.
It made me wonder, has anyone ridden another bike that rides like a
Rivendell?
To me, more-or-less like Joe said, it's nimble handling that also feels
extremely stable. It's easy to change lines around a curve, but it's also
easy to
What a fantastic loop and a great place to overnight. Thanks for sharing!
On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 9:40:38 PM UTC-5 brizbarn wrote:
> Great write up! Not sleeping on a bike or hiking trip is the worst, but
> the rest sounds dreamy. Love the shot of the sunset with cabin. I've done
Such a well crafted ride report! Thanks for the pictures, they're great.
Philip
Sonoma County, Calif
On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 5:22:44 PM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
> Ride Report: Hawksbill Slope Cabin Overnighter
>
> 14-15 November 2022
> 64 miles, 7,250 ft elevation
>
> [image:
Could it simply be that if you are spending the money to buy a Rivendell,
you are probably a pretty experienced rider and can handle your bike well.
AND, you are so thrilled about how beautiful looking it is, that you to
ride more often and more joyfully, and therefore better than you would
Great ride report. Do you have pictures of inside the cabin? Or a map/link
to the cabin?
On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 5:22:44 PM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
> Ride Report: Hawksbill Slope Cabin Overnighter
>
> 14-15 November 2022
> 64 miles, 7,250 ft elevation
>
> [image: 05 Skyline 2
Are those 26" wheels or 650B?
On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 4:36:55 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
> Oh right, I have numbers for why my Rivendell rides the way it does. I
> forgot!
>
> 71.5 seattube, 69.5 headtube. I wanted a pavement-biased frame for
> non-touring-level loads and this is
I have a custom Fitz that's my do-it-all one bike (just ignore those other
bikes in the shed), but if I had to replace it with a Rivendell, there are
a couple options.
1. If it was my Quickbeam, I'd just change my riding habits, and maybe
cheat with a couple different wheels.
2. If I could
I don't have much to say about numbers, but I have a BMC Monster Cross and
a Roadini that, with the exception of brevets, I mostly use
interchangeably. On flats and uphill they feel like very similar bikes.
Downhill is where the Roadini really shines. Coming down the canyons here
in Utah, the
I think the Appaloosa and Atlantis are similar in weight. I’m not a weight
weenie and I don’t race, so I agree that weight is relative. I’m about 200
pounds so a couple extra pounds of bike weight is irrelative. I did find
that I climbed better after I lost 20 pounds!
Randy in Wisconsin
On
I plugged it into the trail calculator with a 42mm tire and it says 58mm
trail. What a coincidence!
On Thu, Nov 17, 2022 at 5:00 PM Joe Bernard wrote:
> 650B. It looks huge because it is..this is in a sense a frame built for a
> disability, I have arthritis in my hands and asked for a
In my case, no. I've owned and ridden just about every style of bike
imaginable in approximately 55 years, including folders and 2- and 3-wheel
recumbents. I'm not going to claim Rivs are *better *than everything else,
but they provide a unique ride for me that I can't replicate elsewhere.
On
Great write up! Not sleeping on a bike or hiking trip is the worst, but
the rest sounds dreamy. Love the shot of the sunset with cabin. I've done
a little hiking and camping, and stayed with my family in a cabin in the
area, so beautiful. Thanks for sharing.
On Thursday, November 17, 2022
>
>
> Mackenzy probably nailed it up above. And, I'm sure Rivendell geometry has
> been copied by other brands, but do those imitators get the love that Rivs
> get?
>
> I think the combination of slack seat tube, lowish BB, and long chainstays
is pretty hard to find. Treks go for a 73 degree
Put a foot into the Golden Age yesterday when I found a
On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 9:10:36 PM UTC-8 Berkeleyan wrote:
> I'm in for the long haul. I bought Moustache Bars from RBW for my REI XR
> way back in the early 1990's, so that must have been when Grant first put
> up a sign.
>
>
My 2013 700c 54cm Waterford Hunqapillar. Stripped down or loaded up, skinny
tires or fat, swept-back Albratross bars or flat bars, it's perfect for me.
Sad Riv decided to stop making them and if mine were wrecked or stolen, I'd
ask about ordering a custom copy.
John
On Wednesday, November 16,
I, too, would choose my Hunqapillar. The setup would be generally what I am
currently running on my green Waterford-built 58:
- Upright, wide, swept-back bars with mirror and bell
- Low gearing (triple with 24 tooth smallest in front, 9-speed with at
least 36 tooth biggest in back)
On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 7:21:55 AM UTC-6 ascpgh wrote:
> If I find the actual fore and aft dimension of my sit bone movement and
> the place it occurs on the saddle I discovered that all of my over thought
> adjustments are almost always such that this range of motion always ends up
I remember reading where Grant, or one of his long-term employees but I
think Grant, said on front end geometry handling there are a few numbers
they hold to but they don't discuss them outside the shop. Trail would be
an obvious one, but I've always thought it would be interesting to hear the
Hunq for me. Here in Michigan we have every kind of road, temperature and
precipitation, if I had to have only one bike, the Hunq can handle it.
Marc
On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 4:35:25 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
> The threads on Platypus versus [name] and using versus "saving"
I nominate my 650b Hunqapillar. It's the most comfortable bike I've
ridden, and it's geometry doesn't seem to be intended for drops, flat, or
upright handlebars--it feels different but good with each.
On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 6:35:43 AM UTC-6 Chris L wrote:
> [image:
I built up a 2TT 62cm Appaloosa in February as my first Riv, and have
enjoyed it very much. The over riding impression is that I know that this
is a heavy bike (from lifting it onto my hitch rack), but it rides lively
and relatively light, and comfortable and stable. It is hard to wrap my
head
Regarding having shifters in a location other than the primary grip - I
think it comes down to how comfortable you are moving your hands around the
bars and riding with them away from the controls (Josiah touched on this in
his response).
Most MTBs are setup for a single hand position with all
I'm a serious under-biker, so I'd probably pick a Roadini or A Homer
Hilsen. For years I only owned a single road bike as my do-it-tall bike.
My touring frame takes at most 32mm tires but I'd actually tour on 25mm
tires. Everywhere I rode people would swear up and down that I needed a
I have 2 of these and as stated earlier they are designed for rapid rise. I
did not like them for mountain biking as you do have some unintended
shifting. I do like them on a swept back bar and regular (non-rise?) rear
derailler for road/gravel riding. I had them on Albatross bars and worked
Joe,
You're absolutely right about the ride characteristics or that ineffable
"feel" of Rivendells. It only took a few minutes on my Sam to realize that
magic.
Thank you Grant!
Best,
Rich in ATL
On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 8:55:23 AM UTC-5 larson@gmail.com
wrote:
> I built up a
Everyone choosing the Hunqapillar makes me mighty envious, especially since
those are long gone. To all the Hunq owners: what bike in Riv's current
catalog fills that role now? Is it the Appaloosa, their heavier-duty road
touring frame? Or is the Hunqapillar the genetic precursor to the current
I had a set on a Cannondale Scalpel and DID NOT like the mechanism. The
shove down in front of the bar to shift was super awkward, even with a
rapid rise rear. Which I also depsise.
If you do like them, the bonus is you can always find replacement shifters
because nobody else liked them.
My 650b Toyo Homer does all that presently. I'd change two things:
canti/V-brakes instead of Paul centerpulls and clearance for 42 with
fenders.
I'm tempted by the Platypus for those reasons and the long chain stays...
I am fond of the Hunqapillar, but it was overbuilt for me and the riding I
I really like the MKS Bear Trap pedals. They are very comfortable for my
size 10-11 foot.
I have VP Thin gripsters and VP Vice pedals on other bikes, and MKS Sneaker
Pedals on the HHH tandem. Those are all fine pedals-- I was surprised at
the comfort of the Bear traps. (I wear thin-soled
They made the Atlantis both before and after the Hunqapillar (and
Bombadil). The Hunqapillar was basically a lower cost Bombadil when first
introduced. I would say that the Gus/Susie is the successor to the
Bombadil/Hunqapillar.
When I inquired about getting an Atlantis years ago, Riv
Thanks Abe, that's super helpful. I'm coming from an analog 0mm extension
(w)right stem and I used (I think) a 100mm Nitto stem near the the minimum
insertion line
Next experiment will be to flip the albatross, I have long arms so maybe
that will work better for me.
Max
On Wednesday,
Scott,
I have never ridden an Atlantis, but would love to, and believe that you
will love it. Looking forward to hearing your impressions going forward.
Randy
On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 1:41:14 PM UTC-6 Scott wrote:
> Randy,
>
> I'm curious, too, to get the group's take on your question
hi Scott,
Please contact me off-list ... I have a couple
questions for you about this setup on your Nashbar-branded MTB frame.
Thanks!
=- Joe Bunik
Walnut Creek, CA
On 11/16/22, 'Scott Luly' via RBW Owners Bunch
wrote:
> @Josiah,
> Hey, neighbor! I'm up on the Hi-Line in Shelby. I needa get
The Clem Smith/tine use the Hunqapillar fork. I have it in my head that
those forks were produced in Taiwan and the frame in the USA.
On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 10:41:26 AM UTC-6 jcbrya...@gmail.com
wrote:
> Everyone choosing the Hunqapillar makes me mighty envious, especially
> since
Randy - I love this photo of your Appaloosa. I gotta up my bike
photography skills!
James
On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 8:48:49 AM UTC-5 larson@gmail.com
wrote:
> My riding is road-centric (paved, gravel, dirt farm roads) so my 2TT 62cm
> Appaloosa does it all very well. It is
Randy,
I'm curious, too, to get the group's take on your question as to weight vs.
ride quality, as I'm currently building a new 62 Atlantis F/F. I'm wanting to
do some dirt touring and bike packing on it. Hope I'm not in for a fat hog...
Scott
On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 06:55:28 AM
https://bikelist.com/listings/paul-thumbies-silver-shimano-set-left-and-right-new-in-package--1902923565
On Monday, November 14, 2022 at 2:22:43 PM UTC-5 C Lin wrote:
> Apparently Paul made these for a while to mount silvers on thumbies for
> shimano bar cons.
>
> -Carlos in San Diego
>
--
Thanks James! The Appaloosa is the most aesthetically pleasing bike I own,
and I guess that is factored in by many of us!
On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 1:12:59 PM UTC-6 mcgr...@gmail.com wrote:
> Randy - I love this photo of your Appaloosa. I gotta up my bike
> photography skills!
>
>
@junes1junes, I'm building an Atlantis that I hope to use here and there
loaded for dirt touring and bike packing. At this point, I'm undecided on
gearing and your gearing raised my brows. On my MTB I run 26 front and 32 rear
(as my lowest gear ratio) and that feels on the verge of spin out.
Sorry, apparently my posts are too long.
Here's what I'm still looking to change:
1. Handlebars! Maybe Chocos or Albatross for more hand positions and real
estate, but I think that'll also need a different stem.
2. Dynam
3. I have really small hands, so trigger shifters for the rear have
I'm lucky enough to have 3 rivendells but I have to say, if I could only
have one, it would be the Sam Hillborne or Atlantis. Neither of which I
have ever ridden but both seem like perfect do-it-all bikes.
On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 4:27:47 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!
wrote:
> I
I should have kept mine, I didn't know it was an heirloom! (I still have a
black one)
On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 2:39:28 PM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
> I want this. I cannot have it, but I want it.:)
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 17, 2022, at 5:11 PM, Joe Mullins wrote:
>
>
That is one gorgeous Rambouillet. Is the background that dam at the bottom
of Mt. Tam on the Mill Valley side on the way to the 7 sisters?
On Thu, Nov 17, 2022 at 3:22 PM John Dewey wrote:
> RBW, here's one that we've been riding daily for all its 18 years...and
> it's precious as well.
Indeed, those Seven Sisters just up the hill.
On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 3:28:00 PM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
> That is one gorgeous Rambouillet. Is the background that dam at the bottom
> of Mt. Tam on the Mill Valley side on the way to the 7 sisters?
>
> On Thu, Nov 17, 2022 at 3:22
I've only ridden 3 Rivendells, all of them pre-2003 models, so I don't know
what I'm missing on the newer models with the relaxed geo and long chain
stays. But I have yet to find any faults* with the Waterford A/R that I
have, so I guess that would be the one for me! 26" wheels, triple crank,
Joe
What is the Seat Tube Angle of your custom??
John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ
On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 5:41:41 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
> This is an edited version of an email I recently sent Grant, I wanted to
> post here cuz I think the magical Riv ride he designs into these
Thanks, Randy. After pushing go, I reread your post and realized you were
discussing the Appaloosa. Are they a bit heavy? I've heard same about 2TT
Atlantis.
On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 12:47:09 PM MST, larson@gmail.com
wrote:
Scott,I have never ridden an Atlantis, but
I think the reason that Rivendells ride the way they do is the same reason
Rivendell will never be financial powerhouse or direct "influencer". Grant
is interested in feel, function, and aesthetic balance that is "just
right" counter to any sort of industry "trend" "study" "statistics" etc.
Looks great, and welcome to Boston!
My hands and wrists don't do well with straight bars-- I have albatross
bars on my Homer, which agree with my wrists. (I also use and enjoy Bosco
and Jones bars alongside another bike with drop bars.)
It looks like your stem has a front plate, which would
Weight is always dependent on context. Here are the factors that I consider:
- The lighter you and your load is, the more weight of the bike matters.
My 200 pound friends will never feel the difference between a 17 pound bike
and a 28 pound bike, but at 140 pounds, I can tell the
you know, one more quick note on my ride into work today. I've noticed on a
slacker seat tube bike in a "more upright" position - i do run the saddle
height just a touch lower than a steeper ST counterpart. maybe ~1/4 to 3/8
of an inch.
ive noticed while fitting new bikes sometimes dialing
What a beautiful way to express it.
On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 2:11:24 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!
wrote:
> I was on Instagram this morning and saw a post that echoed the spirit of
> this thread. The user kindly translated it to English from his native
> Japanese, and it was so
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