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[RBW] Roadini Drivetrain Questions

2024-08-25 Thread Jesse Marshburn

Hi All, 

There seems to be some knowledgable mechanics in this group, so I wanted to 
ask about the drivetrain on my 52 Roadini 
. It works okay, but just 
doesn't seem very smooth and happy...clunky is the way I'd describe it. I'm 
wondering if some folks might be able to offer some advice on where I 
should begin troubleshooting or perhaps what parts I should swap out to 
make it 'happier.' Also worth noting that I built the bike up myself and 
I'd consider myself a 'competent at best' - level mechanic. Any advice 
would be greatly appreciated! Here's what I'm currently running:

-Shimano 105 hub (FH-R7000). I believe this is technically a 10-11 speed 
hub...I'm running it with the spacer for a 10-speed.

-Shimano Deore rear derailer (RD-M591).

-Sram 11-32 9-speed cassette.

-Sram PC 951 chain.

-Shimano FD-2300 

 
front derailer 

-Clipper GS 46x30 crank with a 107mm BB

-Also, I did have the derailer hanger aligned before I started the build.

Just wondering if anything jumps out as being weird or incompatible! Any 
advice is greatly appreciated! 

-Jesse in Atlanta, GA
   


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Re: [RBW] Roadini - Seatpost Bolt/Nut (need to replace)

2024-06-15 Thread Jay

The company I had ordered the 22mm from contacted me to say they do not 
have that available, just the 20mm and 25mm.  Thankfully a local nuts/bolts 
shop had a 25mm and matching nut, so I picked up a handful, paid $5, and 
when the guy said he would make change I said coffee is on me!

The nut was a tighter fit than the original, but it eventually fit.  I used 
some loc-tite on the threads.  A few mm of extra bolt passed through the 
nut and looks fine overall.  I was able to torque it down snuggly without 
any strange noises (as I was getting before, every time I loosened and 
tightened the bolt).  Went for a 2.5 hour ride today, on some rough 
roads/trails, and it didn't move.  Hopefully this is it!

On Friday, June 14, 2024 at 12:43:08 PM UTC-4 Jay wrote:

> The 22mm I found are on order and will only get here next week.  I found 
> 20mm and 25mm locally and may pick these up and see how they go.  I’m going 
> to get new nuts and washers too.
>
> Im assuming with longer 25 vs 22 the screw/bolt can go through the nut and 
> the locking feature of the nylon still works?
>
> When I go to the local shop I’m going to show them the existing one, 
> photos of the bike, and see what we can rig up!
>
> Jason
>
> On Jun 13, 2024, at 6:07 PM, Chester  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Jay wrote:
>
> That’s right.  M6, 22mm, thread pitch 1.  Nylon insert hex lock nut.
>
>
> With the Clem L I bought, there was a weird defect in the hex nut, with it 
> having extra metal material inside the donut hole, ruining/covering up some 
> of the threads, and this ruined the initial threads of the bolt, as well, 
> so there was no way to tighten the seat clamp with the bolt/nut pair it 
> came with. 
>
> Sorted it out after a couple trips to the local Ace Hardware and their 
> Drawers o' Fasteners. They didn't have quite the right length (I had to get 
> longer) so I didn't note the length of what I got, but ended up with M6 and 
> thread pitch of 1 as well.
>
> Turns out that the Clem Complete page specifies "It uses standard 
> hardware store bolt (M6 x 22) and a 10mm hex nut." The Roadini page 
> suggests that one could use M5 as well.
>
> I ride the Clem sometimes and have been meaning to try to find a 
> countersunk washer that is small enough diameter to fit inside but is yet 
> tall enough that I could use a quick release and not scratch up the paint 
> of the seat binder.
>
> Chester
> SF Bay Area
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Re: [RBW] Roadini - Seatpost Bolt/Nut (need to replace)

2024-06-14 Thread Jason Noonievut

The 22mm I found are on order and will only get here next week.  I found 20mm and 25mm locally and may pick these up and see how they go.  I’m going to get new nuts and washers too.Im assuming with longer 25 vs 22 the screw/bolt can go through the nut and the locking feature of the nylon still works?When I go to the local shop I’m going to show them the existing one, photos of the bike, and see what we can rig up!JasonOn Jun 13, 2024, at 6:07 PM, Chester  wrote:Jay wrote:That’s right.  M6, 22mm, thread pitch 1.  Nylon insert hex lock nut.With the Clem L I bought, there was a weird defect in the hex nut, with it having extra metal material inside the donut hole, ruining/covering up some of the threads, and this ruined the initial threads of the bolt, as well, so there was no way to tighten the seat clamp with the bolt/nut pair it came with. Sorted it out after a couple trips to the local Ace Hardware and their Drawers o' Fasteners. They didn't have quite the right length (I had to get longer) so I didn't note the length of what I got, but ended up with M6 and thread pitch of 1 as well.Turns out that the Clem Complete page specifies "It uses standard hardware store bolt (M6 x 22) and a 10mm hex nut." The Roadini page suggests that one could use M5 as well.I ride the Clem sometimes and have been meaning to try to find a countersunk washer that is small enough diameter to fit inside but is yet tall enough that I could use a quick release and not scratch up the paint of the seat binder.ChesterSF Bay Area



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Re: [RBW] Roadini - Seatpost Bolt/Nut (need to replace)

2024-06-13 Thread Chester

Jay wrote:

That’s right.  M6, 22mm, thread pitch 1.  Nylon insert hex lock nut.


With the Clem L I bought, there was a weird defect in the hex nut, with it 
having extra metal material inside the donut hole, ruining/covering up some 
of the threads, and this ruined the initial threads of the bolt, as well, 
so there was no way to tighten the seat clamp with the bolt/nut pair it 
came with. 

Sorted it out after a couple trips to the local Ace Hardware and their 
Drawers o' Fasteners. They didn't have quite the right length (I had to get 
longer) so I didn't note the length of what I got, but ended up with M6 and 
thread pitch of 1 as well.

Turns out that the Clem Complete page specifies "It uses standard hardware 
store bolt (M6 x 22) and a 10mm hex nut." The Roadini page suggests that 
one could use M5 as well.

I ride the Clem sometimes and have been meaning to try to find a 
countersunk washer that is small enough diameter to fit inside but is yet 
tall enough that I could use a quick release and not scratch up the paint 
of the seat binder.

Chester
SF Bay Area

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Re: [RBW] Roadini - Seatpost Bolt/Nut (need to replace)

2024-06-13 Thread Brian Turner

I love my neighborhood hardware store, but they don’t always have the best selection of metric stuff. I’ve found Bolt Depot to be a really good resource online for metric bolts and bits. Plus, you usually don’t have to buy them in quantity like with McMaster-Carr.-BrianOn Jun 13, 2024, at 2:14 PM, Jason Noonievut wrote:That’s right. M6, 22mm, thread pitch 1. Nylon insert hex lock nut.On Jun 13, 2024, at 2:03 PM, Brian Turner wrote:Good deal! Glad Will got you the info you needed.From my experience, all the Rivs I’ve come across have taken M6x1 bolts, 20-21mm in length with 5mm hex heads (and matching nut of course).For whatever reason, it’s harder than it should be to find this info online.-BrianOn Jun 13, 2024, at 1:28 PM, Jason Noonievut wrote:I called Riv, spoke to Will, got the specs, placed an order from a local nuts and bolts company.Because they’re stainless steel they have to be well greased! I couldn’t find zinc coated.On Jun 13, 2024, at 8:30 AM, Jay wrote:Hi everyone,I guess I've over-tightened the bolt on my Roadini as it's spinning without much torque. When I took out the bolt there were some loose threads that I peeled away.I need to buy a new one and wanted to know if someone has the 'specs' so when I go to my hardware store I can find what I'm looking for (diameter, thread details?, length)...I know I can either measure this, or bring it in and figure it out, but it may be easier to have in advance and line of the specs. Or maybe there are options? I would still like to use a hex wrench (5) vs. another style of bolt head.Thanks!

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Re: [RBW] Roadini - Seatpost Bolt/Nut (need to replace)

2024-06-13 Thread Jason Noonievut

I called Riv, spoke to Will, got the specs, placed an order from a local nuts and bolts company.Because they’re stainless steel they have to be well greased! I couldn’t find zinc coated.On Jun 13, 2024, at 8:30 AM, Jay wrote:Hi everyone,I guess I've over-tightened the bolt on my Roadini as it's spinning without much torque. When I took out the bolt there were some loose threads that I peeled away.I need to buy a new one and wanted to know if someone has the 'specs' so when I go to my hardware store I can find what I'm looking for (diameter, thread details?, length)...I know I can either measure this, or bring it in and figure it out, but it may be easier to have in advance and line of the specs. Or maybe there are options? I would still like to use a hex wrench (5) vs. another style of bolt head.Thanks!

Re: [RBW] Roadini - Seatpost Bolt/Nut (need to replace)

2024-06-13 Thread Jason Noonievut

That’s right. M6, 22mm, thread pitch 1. Nylon insert hex lock nut.On Jun 13, 2024, at 2:03 PM, Brian Turner wrote:Good deal! Glad Will got you the info you needed.From my experience, all the Rivs I’ve come across have taken M6x1 bolts, 20-21mm in length with 5mm hex heads (and matching nut of course).For whatever reason, it’s harder than it should be to find this info online.-BrianOn Jun 13, 2024, at 1:28 PM, Jason Noonievut wrote:I called Riv, spoke to Will, got the specs, placed an order from a local nuts and bolts company.Because they’re stainless steel they have to be well greased! I couldn’t find zinc coated.On Jun 13, 2024, at 8:30 AM, Jay wrote:Hi everyone,I guess I've over-tightened the bolt on my Roadini as it's spinning without much torque. When I took out the bolt there were some loose threads that I peeled away.I need to buy a new one and wanted to know if someone has the 'specs' so when I go to my hardware store I can find what I'm looking for (diameter, thread details?, length)...I know I can either measure this, or bring it in and figure it out, but it may be easier to have in advance and line of the specs. Or maybe there are options? I would still like to use a hex wrench (5) vs. another style of bolt head.Thanks!

Re: [RBW] Roadini - Seatpost Bolt/Nut (need to replace)

2024-06-13 Thread Brian Turner

Good deal! Glad Will got you the info you needed.From my experience, all the Rivs I’ve come across have taken M6x1 bolts, 20-21mm in length with 5mm hex heads (and matching nut of course).For whatever reason, it’s harder than it should be to find this info online.-BrianOn Jun 13, 2024, at 1:28 PM, Jason Noonievut wrote:I called Riv, spoke to Will, got the specs, placed an order from a local nuts and bolts company.Because they’re stainless steel they have to be well greased! I couldn’t find zinc coated.On Jun 13, 2024, at 8:30 AM, Jay wrote:Hi everyone,I guess I've over-tightened the bolt on my Roadini as it's spinning without much torque. When I took out the bolt there were some loose threads that I peeled away.I need to buy a new one and wanted to know if someone has the 'specs' so when I go to my hardware store I can find what I'm looking for (diameter, thread details?, length)...I know I can either measure this, or bring it in and figure it out, but it may be easier to have in advance and line of the specs. Or maybe there are options? I would still like to use a hex wrench (5) vs. another style of bolt head.Thanks!

[RBW] Roadini - Seatpost Bolt/Nut (need to replace)

2024-06-13 Thread Jay

Hi everyone,

I guess I've over-tightened the bolt on my Roadini as it's spinning without 
much torque.  When I took out the bolt there were some loose threads that I 
peeled away.

I need to buy a new one and wanted to know if someone has the 'specs' so 
when I go to my hardware store I can find what I'm looking for (diameter, 
thread details?, length)...I know I can either measure this, or bring it in 
and figure it out, but it may be easier to have in advance and line of the 
specs.  Or maybe there are options?  I would still like to use a hex wrench 
(5) vs. another style of bolt head.

Thanks!

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[RBW] Roadini build vid..

2024-02-24 Thread jay gaudani

Sharing this vid I just saw. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfxOxZzvRuo&t=3s

I own roadini for 8 months and love it.

Jay

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[RBW] Roadini Build - Mix of Modern and Retro

2024-01-21 Thread Jason M

First post here!  I've been reading some of the threads and this sounds 
like a good place...my new happy place ;-)

I ordered the dark gold Roadini (57) from the only shop in Canada that 
sells Riv (C&L Cycles) and will be picking it up in a few weeks when I'll 
be visiting Montreal.

Looking for this to be a project bike, that evolves over time.  For now 
though, I had a lot of new / lightly used parts on hand, so I'll be using 
those and having the bike shop supply the rest (including some handbill 
wheels for some lightly used 43mm GKSS tires I'm using on my Fargo in the 
winter).  Build will be Shimano 11sp, with DT shifters and Tektro RRL brake 
levers, and Tektro brakes.

Purpose of the bike is all-road (where I live, a lot of that is paved, but 
there are gravel roads further out), but will not be used much on local 
mixed-surface trails (where the Fargo excels).  My current road bike will 
be jealous, but I'm not kicking her to the curb just yet!

Photos to come in February.  

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Re: [RBW] Roadini Feedback

2024-01-06 Thread Andrew Turner

Ronny has a blog post about his Malocchio build and seems to really enjoy 
it. 
https://ronsbikesblog.com/2023/11/01/2052/ 

Compared to the Roadini, it's a fair bit lighter and the geometry is 
certainly geared more towards spirited riding. I owned 2 Roadinis, one 
larger size (gen 1) and a smaller size (gen 2)...I preferred the larger 
size with a more upright riding position (w/ drop bars). It was an 
exceptionally smooth ride, not necessarily quick, but very very smooth. 
Later I tried the smaller size thinking I could build it up with bars lower 
than the saddle and with some fatty 44mm tires. However,  I really didn't 
enjoy the feeling of the longer chainstays, especially when climbing out of 
the saddle, it just didn't feel like a road bike. I'd vote for the 
Malocchio. 

BUT, Ronny's also planning a collab with Beach Club to make a road bike 
with a sloped top tube, mid reach brakes and light steel fork...which is 
pretty much exactly what my new-to-me Waterford is. Makes for a perfect 
road bike IMO.  
https://ronsbikesblog.com/2023/12/18/beach-club-buzz/

But for something available now and more affordable, I don't think you 
could go wrong with a Malocchio. 
On Saturday, January 6, 2024 at 9:02:20 AM UTC-6 David Hays wrote:

> If one is considering the Malocchio, I would check out the Romanceur Canti.
> Very light weight with the Reynolds 853 tubing, no strange brake matching 
> and greater tire compatibility.
> I love mine.
>
> David Hays
>
> On Jan 5, 2024, at 10:14 PM, eddietheflay  wrote:
>
> Crust Malocchio. Real lugs, real lightweight tubing, decent clearance. 
> Some things in its favor. Definitely not the looker that most Rivs are and 
> without sloping top tube = good or not so? We could put some blocks on my 
> pedals and you could try it.
>
> On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 6:05:49 PM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> The A Homer Hilsen comes with an 80mm drop, which could be one reason you 
>> like it over the Roadini. But the Hilsen probably won't fit in my travel 
>> bike box.
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 5, 2024, 17:54 Stephen Durfee  wrote:
>>
>>> Chris - I got my Roadini just over a year ago, a complete bike purchased 
>>> from a CL listing in South Carolina that I had shipped to Napa. I wanted a 
>>> RIv so bad, and a "road bike" in particular, but was (perhaps like you), 
>>> hoping to save a few bucks on a pre-owned model. I had previously visited 
>>> HQ and talked with Will, who acknowledged that I was on the cusp between 54 
>>> and 57, and that either could be a good fit...I later concluded that I 
>>> should have gone with the larger size - the one I got was a 54 in "Old 
>>> Blue", an earlier model which would not accept the larger tire size that 
>>> the newer models do.  I liked the bike well enough that I considered 
>>> investing in a brand new frame (that Gold is hot!) but also realized that I 
>>> didn't love the components that came with that bike in the first place.  
>>> And so, since I would have been essentially starting from scratch,  it 
>>> didn't take much convincing to grab that Homer frame that came up locally, 
>>> and then build it up with the parts that I wanted. Now I have a bike that I 
>>> love, love, love, in a size that fits!  I kept it lean, with some Noodles 
>>> and 33mm Jack Browns, no racks and only a spare tire tool kit. The Roadini 
>>> felt good, but the Homer feels great! And while I'm the first to 
>>> acknowledge that I know nothing about BB drop, or could comment on 
>>> flexiness, or even know how much it weighs...I feel fast when I'm on it. 
>>>
>>> If in your heart, you want an orange 50, I'd say just wait. But you're 
>>> close enough to Walnut Creek to go have a spin on a new bike and see what 
>>> you think. The newsletter that came out today says they discovered one Gold 
>>> 50 in stock...
>>>
>>> On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 9:23:50 AM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 It's way more flexy/comfy than my Custom Ti bike, which friends already 
 claim is flexy and comfy when they ride it (and which flexes like crazy 
 when I attach a trailer to it). It's overbuilt for me @ 145 pounds. If I 
 was 160 pounds I wouldn't consider it over built, and if I was 200 pounds 
 I 
 still wouldn't expect to break it. My big complaint is that I don't 
 consider 75mm BB drop to be sufficient for 30mm tires on the road. I want 
 80mm or 85mm drop for a bike built for modern style giant tires where you 
 wouldn't expect to ride anything smaller than 700x30.

 On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 9:19:37 AM UTC-8 four...@gmail.com wrote:

> I guess that's my concern is I'm not looking for a gravel bike.. I'm 
> looking for a zippy (fast-ish) road bike that will take larger tires.. 
> Also,  one of my main concerns is the bike will be overbuilt, meaning the 
> tubes will be heavy enough that it won't flex enough to be comfy.. 
>
> Thoughts? 
>
> On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 6:15:25 AM

Re: [RBW] Roadini Feedback

2024-01-06 Thread Eric Daume

I briefly had a Roadini a few summers back. I really like the proportions
of it--the tall head tube, long (but not too long) chainstays, but I
wouldn't consider it a sporty road bike. The vintage Treks I've had have
felt considerably sprightlier. To me, the Roadini felt more like an old
school touring bike: long, stiff, stable.

https://bikingtoplay.blogspot.com/2020/08/new-bike-rivendell-roadini.html

Eric

On Thu, Jan 4, 2024 at 12:54 PM Chris Fly  wrote:

> Howdy all,
>
> So I realize I'm posting this on the RBW list, so there is bound to be
> some bias and that's ok.. ;) I'm a Riv owner myself with a current AHH I
> got from my Dad when he passed and have previously owned a Bleriot and a
> Ram for a short time.
>
> So, my question is simple- does the Roadini feel fast(ish) when riding?
> I'm sure builds vary and so weight will vary, but I know some bikes can
> weigh a bit more and still feel "quick".. to be fair, I'm no racer, but I
> like a bike to feel good when I stand up to pedal or am zipping around at
> my, fast for me, 18-19 mph..
>
> I would be looking to build up with drop bars BTW with a modern-ish
> group..
>
> Finally, anyone have a 50cm frameset (or complete maybe) they are looking
> to move?
>
> Thanks,
> Chris is Sonoma County, CA :)
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Re: [RBW] Roadini Feedback

2024-01-06 Thread David Hays

If one is considering the Malocchio, I would check out the Romanceur Canti.
Very light weight with the Reynolds 853 tubing, no strange brake matching and 
greater tire compatibility.
I love mine.

David Hays

> On Jan 5, 2024, at 10:14 PM, eddietheflay  wrote:
> 
> Crust Malocchio. Real lugs, real lightweight tubing, decent clearance. Some 
> things in its favor. Definitely not the looker that most Rivs are and without 
> sloping top tube = good or not so? We could put some blocks on my pedals and 
> you could try it.
> 
> On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 6:05:49 PM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
> The A Homer Hilsen comes with an 80mm drop, which could be one reason you 
> like it over the Roadini. But the Hilsen probably won't fit in my travel bike 
> box.
> 
> On Fri, Jan 5, 2024, 17:54 Stephen Durfee  > wrote:
> Chris - I got my Roadini just over a year ago, a complete bike purchased from 
> a CL listing in South Carolina that I had shipped to Napa. I wanted a RIv so 
> bad, and a "road bike" in particular, but was (perhaps like you), hoping to 
> save a few bucks on a pre-owned model. I had previously visited HQ and talked 
> with Will, who acknowledged that I was on the cusp between 54 and 57, and 
> that either could be a good fit...I later concluded that I should have gone 
> with the larger size - the one I got was a 54 in "Old Blue", an earlier model 
> which would not accept the larger tire size that the newer models do.  I 
> liked the bike well enough that I considered investing in a brand new frame 
> (that Gold is hot!) but also realized that I didn't love the components that 
> came with that bike in the first place.  And so, since I would have been 
> essentially starting from scratch,  it didn't take much convincing to grab 
> that Homer frame that came up locally, and then build it up with the parts 
> that I wanted. Now I have a bike that I love, love, love, in a size that 
> fits!  I kept it lean, with some Noodles and 33mm Jack Browns, no racks and 
> only a spare tire tool kit. The Roadini felt good, but the Homer feels great! 
> And while I'm the first to acknowledge that I know nothing about BB drop, or 
> could comment on flexiness, or even know how much it weighs...I feel fast 
> when I'm on it. 
> 
> If in your heart, you want an orange 50, I'd say just wait. But you're close 
> enough to Walnut Creek to go have a spin on a new bike and see what you 
> think. The newsletter that came out today says they discovered one Gold 50 in 
> stock...
> 
> On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 9:23:50 AM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com 
>  wrote:
> It's way more flexy/comfy than my Custom Ti bike, which friends already claim 
> is flexy and comfy when they ride it (and which flexes like crazy when I 
> attach a trailer to it). It's overbuilt for me @ 145 pounds. If I was 160 
> pounds I wouldn't consider it over built, and if I was 200 pounds I still 
> wouldn't expect to break it. My big complaint is that I don't consider 75mm 
> BB drop to be sufficient for 30mm tires on the road. I want 80mm or 85mm drop 
> for a bike built for modern style giant tires where you wouldn't expect to 
> ride anything smaller than 700x30.
> 
> On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 9:19:37 AM UTC-8 four...@gmail.com <> wrote:
> I guess that's my concern is I'm not looking for a gravel bike.. I'm looking 
> for a zippy (fast-ish) road bike that will take larger tires.. Also,  one of 
> my main concerns is the bike will be overbuilt, meaning the tubes will be 
> heavy enough that it won't flex enough to be comfy.. 
> 
> Thoughts? 
> 
> On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 6:15:25 AM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com <> wrote:
> I have about 1300 miles on my Roadini: 
> https://blog.piaw.net/2023/05/rivendell-roadini-1000-mile-review.html 
> . With 
> 700x28mm tires it feels as fast as any bike I've ridden that's not built to 
> be ultralight. I built mine up to be around 20 pounds with pedals, bottle 
> cage and pump but no toolkit or water bottle. I could have probably shaved 
> another pound off with Jon Neugent's 1430g wheels. Having said that, it 
> doesn't beat my custom Ti touring bike built based on the 1993 Bridgestone 
> RB-1 geometry on climbs up hills or stability on descents (the higher BB on 
> the Roadini is to blame). What I do find is that with 38mm tires it is an 
> excellent gravel bike and I have no issues taking it down single track  
> trails that others would consider MTB trails. The Tektro 559s outperform any 
> disc brakes I've ever found and never make noise (unlike any disc brakes I've 
> ever ridden).
> 
> I did buy another 50cm Roadini to build up for my son when he's tall enough 
> to ride it (which won't take a year), so that tells you that I think it's the 
> best general purpose bike in the Rivendell stable. The bike is so versatile I 
> wouldn't hesitate to take it anywhere except a dedicated downhill MTB park.
> On Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 9:54:56 AM U

[RBW] Roadini Feedback

2024-01-04 Thread Chris Fly

Howdy all,

So I realize I'm posting this on the RBW list, so there is bound to be some 
bias and that's ok.. ;) I'm a Riv owner myself with a current AHH I got 
from my Dad when he passed and have previously owned a Bleriot and a Ram 
for a short time. 

So, my question is simple- does the Roadini feel fast(ish) when riding? I'm 
sure builds vary and so weight will vary, but I know some bikes can weigh a 
bit more and still feel "quick".. to be fair, I'm no racer, but I like a 
bike to feel good when I stand up to pedal or am zipping around at my, fast 
for me, 18-19 mph.. 

I would be looking to build up with drop bars BTW with a modern-ish group.. 

Finally, anyone have a 50cm frameset (or complete maybe) they are looking 
to move? 

Thanks,
Chris is Sonoma County, CA :) 

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Re: [RBW] Roadini or Homer

2023-10-13 Thread 藍俊彪

On Fri, Oct 13, 2023 at 7:46 AM ShumotoSoundRoom  wrote:

> I will happily post photos of said bikes once I get the Homer assembled in
> the next week or so.  I intend to continue using my Independent Fabrication
> for all loaded touring, as it can easily handle full panniers, camping
> gear, etc.  I will ride the Homer unladen on one day rides; perhaps the
> occasional overnight with a minimal amount of gear, but mostly it will
> function as my version of a recreational road + gravel frame, thus
> replacing my Roadini.  You're right that the size of a 58 Homer would be
> tricky to fit in a box;  that being said, any touring I've done from 24hrs
> to three months, has seen me depart from my front door, or a drop-off via
> car or train.
>

If you like the Homer that much, find a way to tour with it, esp. if you
can shave your load down. I can't imagine not touring with my best bike.
That's what I bought it for.

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Re: [RBW] Roadini or Homer

2023-10-13 Thread ShumotoSoundRoom

I will happily post photos of said bikes once I get the Homer assembled in 
the next week or so.  I intend to continue using my Independent Fabrication 
for all loaded touring, as it can easily handle full panniers, camping 
gear, etc.  I will ride the Homer unladen on one day rides; perhaps the 
occasional overnight with a minimal amount of gear, but mostly it will 
function as my version of a recreational road + gravel frame, thus 
replacing my Roadini.  You're right that the size of a 58 Homer would be 
tricky to fit in a box;  that being said, any touring I've done from 24hrs 
to three months, has seen me depart from my front door, or a drop-off via 
car or train.

On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 10:09:13 AM UTC-4 pi...@gmail.com wrote:

> I wouldn't carry more than 20 pounds. It would be a credit card tour. I 
> recently did an overnight camping trip with less than 15 pounds of gear 
>
> On Thu, Oct 12, 2023, 22:24 Stephen Durfee  wrote:
>
>> Piaw, are you saying that you take your Roadini for a 3-week tour?  How 
>> much gear are you carrying?
>>
>> On Thursday, October 12, 2023 at 4:36:01 PM UTC-7 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> On Thursday, October 12, 2023 at 8:52:13 AM UTC-7 shu...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Anyway, I could carry on and on, but I just wish to say that I find the 
>>> two *quite* different.  The bike also feels noticeably bigger (the 
>>> frame is a 58) which may also contribute.  To shorten what could be a long 
>>> story, I came home, walked in the house, and ordered a Homer, which is set 
>>> to arrive today.  Once I build it up, I intend to sell the Roadini.  After 
>>> about thirty years of 3000mi annually, the Homer was instantly the bike 
>>> that I'd dreamt of for a long time.  You can't really go wrong with 
>>> either.  To me the question would come down to this: do you want to 
>>> maximize the feeling of quickness or gliding comfort?  For me, there was no 
>>> comparison.  With the Tektro side pulls and all of the same parts, I cannot 
>>> tell a weight difference between the two; perhaps the Paul brakes and extra 
>>> bits nullify the frame savings.  Anyway, I was in a similar decision 
>>> dilemma as you a few years back and went with the Roadini, and while it all 
>>> worked out in the end, the Homer was the right choice for me.  
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I was going to say --- I wonder how you'll feel when you have to pack 
>>> this bike for a tour. What got me to not buy a Homer (other than the axle 
>>> spacing) was that one of my critical use cases is being able to put the 
>>> bike in a box, fly to a destination, and do a 3 week tour and bring it 
>>> back. When I mentioned that to  Grant he admitted that it would take a much 
>>> bigger box than I was willing to put up with to do that.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Roadini or Homer

2023-10-13 Thread 藍俊彪

I wouldn't carry more than 20 pounds. It would be a credit card tour. I
recently did an overnight camping trip with less than 15 pounds of gear

On Thu, Oct 12, 2023, 22:24 Stephen Durfee  wrote:

> Piaw, are you saying that you take your Roadini for a 3-week tour?  How
> much gear are you carrying?
>
> On Thursday, October 12, 2023 at 4:36:01 PM UTC-7 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> On Thursday, October 12, 2023 at 8:52:13 AM UTC-7 shu...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>
>> Anyway, I could carry on and on, but I just wish to say that I find the
>> two *quite* different.  The bike also feels noticeably bigger (the frame
>> is a 58) which may also contribute.  To shorten what could be a long story,
>> I came home, walked in the house, and ordered a Homer, which is set to
>> arrive today.  Once I build it up, I intend to sell the Roadini.  After
>> about thirty years of 3000mi annually, the Homer was instantly the bike
>> that I'd dreamt of for a long time.  You can't really go wrong with
>> either.  To me the question would come down to this: do you want to
>> maximize the feeling of quickness or gliding comfort?  For me, there was no
>> comparison.  With the Tektro side pulls and all of the same parts, I cannot
>> tell a weight difference between the two; perhaps the Paul brakes and extra
>> bits nullify the frame savings.  Anyway, I was in a similar decision
>> dilemma as you a few years back and went with the Roadini, and while it all
>> worked out in the end, the Homer was the right choice for me.
>>
>>
>>
>> I was going to say --- I wonder how you'll feel when you have to pack
>> this bike for a tour. What got me to not buy a Homer (other than the axle
>> spacing) was that one of my critical use cases is being able to put the
>> bike in a box, fly to a destination, and do a 3 week tour and bring it
>> back. When I mentioned that to  Grant he admitted that it would take a much
>> bigger box than I was willing to put up with to do that.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Roadini or Homer

2023-10-12 Thread Stephen Durfee

Piaw, are you saying that you take your Roadini for a 3-week tour?  How 
much gear are you carrying?

On Thursday, October 12, 2023 at 4:36:01 PM UTC-7 pi...@gmail.com wrote:

> On Thursday, October 12, 2023 at 8:52:13 AM UTC-7 shu...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
> Anyway, I could carry on and on, but I just wish to say that I find the 
> two *quite* different.  The bike also feels noticeably bigger (the frame 
> is a 58) which may also contribute.  To shorten what could be a long story, 
> I came home, walked in the house, and ordered a Homer, which is set to 
> arrive today.  Once I build it up, I intend to sell the Roadini.  After 
> about thirty years of 3000mi annually, the Homer was instantly the bike 
> that I'd dreamt of for a long time.  You can't really go wrong with either. 
>  To me the question would come down to this: do you want to maximize the 
> feeling of quickness or gliding comfort?  For me, there was no comparison. 
>  With the Tektro side pulls and all of the same parts, I cannot tell a 
> weight difference between the two; perhaps the Paul brakes and extra bits 
> nullify the frame savings.  Anyway, I was in a similar decision dilemma as 
> you a few years back and went with the Roadini, and while it all worked out 
> in the end, the Homer was the right choice for me.  
>
>
>
> I was going to say --- I wonder how you'll feel when you have to pack this 
> bike for a tour. What got me to not buy a Homer (other than the axle 
> spacing) was that one of my critical use cases is being able to put the 
> bike in a box, fly to a destination, and do a 3 week tour and bring it 
> back. When I mentioned that to  Grant he admitted that it would take a much 
> bigger box than I was willing to put up with to do that.
>

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Re: [RBW] Roadini or Homer

2023-10-12 Thread Piaw Na

On Thursday, October 12, 2023 at 8:52:13 AM UTC-7 shu...@gmail.com wrote:

Anyway, I could carry on and on, but I just wish to say that I find the two
*quite* different. The bike also feels noticeably bigger (the frame is a
58) which may also contribute. To shorten what could be a long story, I
came home, walked in the house, and ordered a Homer, which is set to arrive
today. Once I build it up, I intend to sell the Roadini. After about
thirty years of 3000mi annually, the Homer was instantly the bike that I'd
dreamt of for a long time. You can't really go wrong with either. To me
the question would come down to this: do you want to maximize the feeling
of quickness or gliding comfort? For me, there was no comparison. With
the Tektro side pulls and all of the same parts, I cannot tell a weight
difference between the two; perhaps the Paul brakes and extra bits nullify
the frame savings. Anyway, I was in a similar decision dilemma as you a
few years back and went with the Roadini, and while it all worked out in
the end, the Homer was the right choice for me.

I was going to say --- I wonder how you'll feel when you have to pack this
bike for a tour. What got me to not buy a Homer (other than the axle
spacing) was that one of my critical use cases is being able to put the
bike in a box, fly to a destination, and do a 3 week tour and bring it
back. When I mentioned that to Grant he admitted that it would take a much
bigger box than I was willing to put up with to do that.

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Re: [RBW] Roadini or Homer

2023-10-12 Thread Roberta

BTW, "couldn't get enough opinions" meant "I got a lot of opinions, but 
even more would have been even better."  You knowmore is more.  :)  
This is a great board full of wonderful people.  Thank you!

On Thursday, October 12, 2023 at 1:50:36 PM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:

> I know this is an older thread, but I used this board a lot when I was 
> researching which "one" Riv to buy and couldn't get enough opinions.  
>
> In 2017,   I decided on the 2016 51 cm Appaloosa.  Strong, stable, 
> smooth.  I was in heaven.  Then, I purchased a 2019 54.5 Homer to keep at a 
> second location.  Light, lively, sprightly.   I've come to love this bike 
> more.  It now has racks and fenders like the Appa (same tire--Gravel King 
> slicks) but still rides like it did before, much more fun for me than the 
> Appa, For me out of 10, Homer is a 10, Appa is a 9.
>
> I'd guess that the Sam/Platy/Cheviot all ride similarly.  Appa/Atlantis 
> ride most similarly.  the only "lighter" bike I've ridden is Homer.
>
> Not a bad decision in the bunch.
> On Thursday, October 12, 2023 at 11:52:13 AM UTC-4 shu...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I own three steel bikes: A 2003 Independent Fabrication Independence 
>> (their full touring frame, designed by Mike Flanigan), a low trail rando 
>> frame with 650b wheels made by a small builder, and a 2020 Roadini.  The 
>> Indy Fab is a miraculous bike for loaded touring; incredibly stable with 
>> full panniers and surprisingly light and quick when stripped, given its 
>> stout tubing.  I rode it across the US in 2004, and it has seen many, many 
>> miles since.  I have converted my rando frame to function as  errand 
>> runner, for I determined over the course of thousands of miles, that I just 
>> don't like the feel of 650 wheels.  Since acquiring the Roadini in 2020, 
>> I've ridden nothing else.  It felt, in so many ways, like the perfect bike 
>> for my needs.  Exactly what I wanted from a "road + gravel" bike.  The vast 
>> majority of my riding is done alone, on some combination of gravel and 
>> road, rides falling between 20-70 miles.  I'm not as fast as I was in my 
>> twenties, thirties, or forties, but I keep a fairly brisk pace.  I 
>> generally ride with a lightweight frame bag (made by Swift Industries) with 
>> no other bags or racks on the bike.  I'm running Paul centerpulls which 
>> allows me to comfortably fit Rene Herse 38's, my favourite tires to date. 
>>  Until last week, I sort of figured that the Roadini would be the bike that 
>> I would ride for the rest of my life.  But then, after a short fifteen mile 
>> ride on mixed surfaces, on a different bike, everything changed.  
>>
>> My wife and I finally caved and bought our son a great bike, as he is 
>> almost sixteen and wishes to join me on longer rides.  He has just 
>> surpassed my height, so we bought him an A. Homer Hilsen as it will fit him 
>> longer if he keeps growing, and it seemed the most versatile of choices. 
>>  After the build was finished, I took the bike out to make sure that 
>> everything was working properly, and within a few miles, I quickly 
>> determined that this was *without question*, my favourite bike that I 
>> had ever ridden in my life.  No, it did not feel as quick as my Roadini, 
>> but it didn't feel as sluggish as my unloaded Indy Fab; which struck me as 
>> odd, given that the chain stays are MUCH longer on the Homer.  The comfort 
>> level was astounding.  There are moments on the Roadini where I hit a 
>> smooth stretch of recently paved road, the feeling of flying is accentuated 
>> and I think to myself, "this is such a glorious sensation!"  The Homer felt 
>> that way the* entire* ride.  On both road and gravel, I felt like I was 
>> simply gliding.  The steering felt a bit slower and the bike didn't 
>> accelerate as quickly, but the stability and comfort were so incredible 
>> that I just didn't care.  I live in New England and some of the old gravel 
>> roads can be rough, such that I normally lift off the saddle over bumps and 
>> hold the bars lightly.  Not so with the Homer.  It was, to my great 
>> surprise, even smoother than my Indy Fab.  I should note that I was using 
>> the same Rene Herse 38's.  
>>
>> Anyway, I could carry on and on, but I just wish to say that I find the 
>> two *quite* different.  The bike also feels noticeably bigger (the frame 
>> is a 58) which may also contribute.  To shorten what could be a long story, 
>> I came home, walked in the house, and ordered a Homer, which is set to 
>> arrive today.  Once I build it up, I intend to sell the Roadini.  After 
>> about thirty years of 3000mi annually, the Homer was instantly the bike 
>> that I'd dreamt of for a long time.  You can't really go wrong with either. 
>>  To me the question would come down to this: do you want to maximize the 
>> feeling of quickness or gliding comfort?  For me, there was no comparison. 
>>  With the Tektro side pulls and all of the same parts, I cannot tell a 
>> weight diffe

Re: [RBW] Roadini or Homer

2023-10-12 Thread Keith Paugh

These are really great posts. Thanks for cataloging your experiences guys!I for one would LOVE to see photos of all three of those bikes (The Indy Fab, the Roadini, and the new Homer) if you have a moment to post them.k.On Oct 12, 2023, at 8:52 AM, ShumotoSoundRoom wrote:I own three steel bikes: A 2003 Independent Fabrication Independence (their full touring frame, designed by Mike Flanigan), a low trail rando frame with 650b wheels made by a small builder, and a 2020 Roadini. The Indy Fab is a miraculous bike for loaded touring; incredibly stable with full panniers and surprisingly light and quick when stripped, given its stout tubing. I rode it across the US in 2004, and it has seen many, many miles since. I have converted my rando frame to function as errand runner, for I determined over the course of thousands of miles, that I just don't like the feel of 650 wheels. Since acquiring the Roadini in 2020, I've ridden nothing else. It felt, in so many ways, like the perfect bike for my needs. Exactly what I wanted from a "road + gravel" bike. The vast majority of my riding is done alone, on some combination of gravel and road, rides falling between 20-70 miles. I'm not as fast as I was in my twenties, thirties, or forties, but I keep a fairly brisk pace. I generally ride with a lightweight frame bag (made by Swift Industries) with no other bags or racks on the bike. I'm running Paul centerpulls which allows me to comfortably fit Rene Herse 38's, my favourite tires to date. Until last week, I sort of figured that the Roadini would be the bike that I would ride for the rest of my life. But then, after a short fifteen mile ride on mixed surfaces, on a different bike, everything changed. My wife and I finally caved and bought our son a great bike, as he is almost sixteen and wishes to join me on longer rides. He has just surpassed my height, so we bought him an A. Homer Hilsen as it will fit him longer if he keeps growing, and it seemed the most versatile of choices. After the build was finished, I took the bike out to make sure that everything was working properly, and within a few miles, I quickly determined that this was without question, my favourite bike that I had ever ridden in my life. No, it did not feel as quick as my Roadini, but it didn't feel as sluggish as my unloaded Indy Fab; which struck me as odd, given that the chain stays are MUCH longer on the Homer. The comfort level was astounding. There are moments on the Roadini where I hit a smooth stretch of recently paved road, the feeling of flying is accentuated and I think to myself, "this is such a glorious sensation!" The Homer felt that way the entire ride. On both road and gravel, I felt like I was simply gliding. The steering felt a bit slower and the bike didn't accelerate as quickly, but the stability and comfort were so incredible that I just didn't care. I live in New England and some of the old gravel roads can be rough, such that I normally lift off the saddle over bumps and hold the bars lightly. Not so with the Homer. It was, to my great surprise, even smoother than my Indy Fab. I should note that I was using the same Rene Herse 38's. Anyway, I could carry on and on, but I just wish to say that I find the two quite different. The bike also feels noticeably bigger (the frame is a 58) which may also contribute. To shorten what could be a long story, I came home, walked in the house, and ordered a Homer, which is set to arrive today. Once I build it up, I intend to sell the Roadini. After about thirty years of 3000mi annually, the Homer was instantly the bike that I'd dreamt of for a long time. You can't really go wrong with either. To me the question would come down to this: do you want to maximize the feeling of quickness or gliding comfort? For me, there was no comparison. With the Tektro side pulls and all of the same parts, I cannot tell a weight difference between the two; perhaps the Paul brakes and extra bits nullify the frame savings. Anyway, I was in a similar decision dilemma as you a few years back and went with the Roadini, and while it all worked out in the end, the Homer was the right choice for me. Good luck! On Saturday, October 2, 2021 at 1:08:07 PM UTC-4 kwi...@weimar.edu wrote:The Homer will be 'heavier' or stiffer in terms of feel than the Roadini; I actually find the Roadini too stiff for my riding style.KarlOn Thu, Sep 23, 2021 at 7:38 AM Bones wrote:I know these comparisons have come up frequently, but here is my particular situation:I had a 62 Hillborne. It felt too similar to my Appaloosa, so I got a 61 Roadini. I've been riding that for a year and a half and I love it. It serves the purpose the Hillborne was meant to serve (the Hillborne always felt a bit too bulky for my intended purpose... which is primarily riding on roads with light loads). Sometimes I feel like I overshot with the Roadini though, and the Homer would be the best choice. I someti

Re: [RBW] Roadini or Homer

2023-10-12 Thread Roberta

I know this is an older thread, but I used this board a lot when I was 
researching which "one" Riv to buy and couldn't get enough opinions.  

In 2017,   I decided on the 2016 51 cm Appaloosa.  Strong, stable, smooth.  
I was in heaven.  Then, I purchased a 2019 54.5 Homer to keep at a second 
location.  Light, lively, sprightly.   I've come to love this bike more.  
It now has racks and fenders like the Appa (same tire--Gravel King slicks) 
but still rides like it did before, much more fun for me than the Appa, For 
me out of 10, Homer is a 10, Appa is a 9.

I'd guess that the Sam/Platy/Cheviot all ride similarly.  Appa/Atlantis 
ride most similarly.  the only "lighter" bike I've ridden is Homer.

Not a bad decision in the bunch.
On Thursday, October 12, 2023 at 11:52:13 AM UTC-4 shu...@gmail.com wrote:

> I own three steel bikes: A 2003 Independent Fabrication Independence 
> (their full touring frame, designed by Mike Flanigan), a low trail rando 
> frame with 650b wheels made by a small builder, and a 2020 Roadini.  The 
> Indy Fab is a miraculous bike for loaded touring; incredibly stable with 
> full panniers and surprisingly light and quick when stripped, given its 
> stout tubing.  I rode it across the US in 2004, and it has seen many, many 
> miles since.  I have converted my rando frame to function as  errand 
> runner, for I determined over the course of thousands of miles, that I just 
> don't like the feel of 650 wheels.  Since acquiring the Roadini in 2020, 
> I've ridden nothing else.  It felt, in so many ways, like the perfect bike 
> for my needs.  Exactly what I wanted from a "road + gravel" bike.  The vast 
> majority of my riding is done alone, on some combination of gravel and 
> road, rides falling between 20-70 miles.  I'm not as fast as I was in my 
> twenties, thirties, or forties, but I keep a fairly brisk pace.  I 
> generally ride with a lightweight frame bag (made by Swift Industries) with 
> no other bags or racks on the bike.  I'm running Paul centerpulls which 
> allows me to comfortably fit Rene Herse 38's, my favourite tires to date. 
>  Until last week, I sort of figured that the Roadini would be the bike that 
> I would ride for the rest of my life.  But then, after a short fifteen mile 
> ride on mixed surfaces, on a different bike, everything changed.  
>
> My wife and I finally caved and bought our son a great bike, as he is 
> almost sixteen and wishes to join me on longer rides.  He has just 
> surpassed my height, so we bought him an A. Homer Hilsen as it will fit him 
> longer if he keeps growing, and it seemed the most versatile of choices. 
>  After the build was finished, I took the bike out to make sure that 
> everything was working properly, and within a few miles, I quickly 
> determined that this was *without question*, my favourite bike that I had 
> ever ridden in my life.  No, it did not feel as quick as my Roadini, but it 
> didn't feel as sluggish as my unloaded Indy Fab; which struck me as odd, 
> given that the chain stays are MUCH longer on the Homer.  The comfort level 
> was astounding.  There are moments on the Roadini where I hit a smooth 
> stretch of recently paved road, the feeling of flying is accentuated and I 
> think to myself, "this is such a glorious sensation!"  The Homer felt that 
> way the* entire* ride.  On both road and gravel, I felt like I was simply 
> gliding.  The steering felt a bit slower and the bike didn't accelerate as 
> quickly, but the stability and comfort were so incredible that I just 
> didn't care.  I live in New England and some of the old gravel roads can be 
> rough, such that I normally lift off the saddle over bumps and hold the 
> bars lightly.  Not so with the Homer.  It was, to my great surprise, even 
> smoother than my Indy Fab.  I should note that I was using the same Rene 
> Herse 38's.  
>
> Anyway, I could carry on and on, but I just wish to say that I find the 
> two *quite* different.  The bike also feels noticeably bigger (the frame 
> is a 58) which may also contribute.  To shorten what could be a long story, 
> I came home, walked in the house, and ordered a Homer, which is set to 
> arrive today.  Once I build it up, I intend to sell the Roadini.  After 
> about thirty years of 3000mi annually, the Homer was instantly the bike 
> that I'd dreamt of for a long time.  You can't really go wrong with either. 
>  To me the question would come down to this: do you want to maximize the 
> feeling of quickness or gliding comfort?  For me, there was no comparison. 
>  With the Tektro side pulls and all of the same parts, I cannot tell a 
> weight difference between the two; perhaps the Paul brakes and extra bits 
> nullify the frame savings.  Anyway, I was in a similar decision dilemma as 
> you a few years back and went with the Roadini, and while it all worked out 
> in the end, the Homer was the right choice for me.  
>
> Good luck!   
>
> On Saturday, October 2, 2021 at 1:08:07 PM UTC-4 kwi...@we

Re: [RBW] Roadini or Homer

2023-10-12 Thread ShumotoSoundRoom

I own three steel bikes: A 2003 Independent Fabrication Independence (their 
full touring frame, designed by Mike Flanigan), a low trail rando frame 
with 650b wheels made by a small builder, and a 2020 Roadini.  The Indy Fab 
is a miraculous bike for loaded touring; incredibly stable with full 
panniers and surprisingly light and quick when stripped, given its stout 
tubing.  I rode it across the US in 2004, and it has seen many, many miles 
since.  I have converted my rando frame to function as  errand runner, for 
I determined over the course of thousands of miles, that I just don't like 
the feel of 650 wheels.  Since acquiring the Roadini in 2020, I've ridden 
nothing else.  It felt, in so many ways, like the perfect bike for my 
needs.  Exactly what I wanted from a "road + gravel" bike.  The vast 
majority of my riding is done alone, on some combination of gravel and 
road, rides falling between 20-70 miles.  I'm not as fast as I was in my 
twenties, thirties, or forties, but I keep a fairly brisk pace.  I 
generally ride with a lightweight frame bag (made by Swift Industries) with 
no other bags or racks on the bike.  I'm running Paul centerpulls which 
allows me to comfortably fit Rene Herse 38's, my favourite tires to date. 
 Until last week, I sort of figured that the Roadini would be the bike that 
I would ride for the rest of my life.  But then, after a short fifteen mile 
ride on mixed surfaces, on a different bike, everything changed.  

My wife and I finally caved and bought our son a great bike, as he is 
almost sixteen and wishes to join me on longer rides.  He has just 
surpassed my height, so we bought him an A. Homer Hilsen as it will fit him 
longer if he keeps growing, and it seemed the most versatile of choices. 
 After the build was finished, I took the bike out to make sure that 
everything was working properly, and within a few miles, I quickly 
determined that this was *without question*, my favourite bike that I had 
ever ridden in my life.  No, it did not feel as quick as my Roadini, but it 
didn't feel as sluggish as my unloaded Indy Fab; which struck me as odd, 
given that the chain stays are MUCH longer on the Homer.  The comfort level 
was astounding.  There are moments on the Roadini where I hit a smooth 
stretch of recently paved road, the feeling of flying is accentuated and I 
think to myself, "this is such a glorious sensation!"  The Homer felt that 
way the* entire* ride.  On both road and gravel, I felt like I was simply 
gliding.  The steering felt a bit slower and the bike didn't accelerate as 
quickly, but the stability and comfort were so incredible that I just 
didn't care.  I live in New England and some of the old gravel roads can be 
rough, such that I normally lift off the saddle over bumps and hold the 
bars lightly.  Not so with the Homer.  It was, to my great surprise, even 
smoother than my Indy Fab.  I should note that I was using the same Rene 
Herse 38's.  

Anyway, I could carry on and on, but I just wish to say that I find the two 
*quite* different.  The bike also feels noticeably bigger (the frame is a 
58) which may also contribute.  To shorten what could be a long story, I 
came home, walked in the house, and ordered a Homer, which is set to arrive 
today.  Once I build it up, I intend to sell the Roadini.  After about 
thirty years of 3000mi annually, the Homer was instantly the bike that I'd 
dreamt of for a long time.  You can't really go wrong with either.  To me 
the question would come down to this: do you want to maximize the feeling 
of quickness or gliding comfort?  For me, there was no comparison.  With 
the Tektro side pulls and all of the same parts, I cannot tell a weight 
difference between the two; perhaps the Paul brakes and extra bits nullify 
the frame savings.  Anyway, I was in a similar decision dilemma as you a 
few years back and went with the Roadini, and while it all worked out in 
the end, the Homer was the right choice for me.  

Good luck!   

On Saturday, October 2, 2021 at 1:08:07 PM UTC-4 kwi...@weimar.edu wrote:

> The Homer will be 'heavier' or stiffer in terms of feel than the Roadini; 
> I actually find the Roadini too stiff for my riding style.
> Karl
>
> On Thu, Sep 23, 2021 at 7:38 AM Bones  wrote:
>
>> I know these comparisons have come up frequently, but here is my 
>> particular situation:
>>
>> I had a 62 Hillborne. It felt too similar to my Appaloosa, so I got a 61 
>> Roadini. I've been riding that for a year and a half and I love it. It 
>> serves the purpose the Hillborne was meant to serve (the Hillborne always 
>> felt a bit too bulky for my intended purpose... which is primarily riding 
>> on roads with light loads). 
>>
>> Sometimes I feel like I overshot with the Roadini though, and the Homer 
>> would be the best choice. I sometimes wish I could put fenders on it, 
>> without having to go with a smaller tire (currently running Barlows on 
>> Quills --> ~41mm). I sometimes wish I could add a smal

[RBW] Roadini Demo Loop

2023-09-17 Thread Piaw Na

I have a friend visiting in October and he's going to test ride my Roadini, 
so I laid out (and rode) what I consider an ideal loop to show off how 
versatile a bike the Roadini is:

https://www.strava.com/activities/9869749317

(Dirt Alpine is closed for construction or I'd use that instead of climbing 
Page Mill Road). It's got paved climbs and descents, single track (not very 
technical, but technical enough that I wouldn't want to ride my road bike 
with 28mm tires down it), fast fire road, a river crossing, and a few 
places where you can catch air at speed with the bike. 

That got me thinking: what's the ideal ride in your area for whatever 
Rivendell bike you have?

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Re: [RBW] Roadini Shifting Problems

2023-09-07 Thread Garth

Well good for you Cat for wanting to stick with Campy parts :)))   I too 
have an affinity for Italian bike parts and cycling clothing especially. 

Do check the rear derailleur hanger alignment for rear shifting issues. 
Seeing this was a used frame, hangers can easily get wacked if moved around 
in tight places. 

Along the lines of what Patrick and Michael well expressed, I do remember 
on Campy Nuovo/Super Record straight arm cranks that the FD relation to the 
arms is a delicate and close one by design. It appears what's needed is 
either a fine tuning/adjustment vertically/horizontally of the existing FD, 
or if it's still hitting the crank, try a vintage Campy. Looking the pic of 
FD on your bike I can see the cage has quite a contour to the inner plate. 
The vintage ones had no such contour.  I have two Nuovo/Record models plus 
a Victory, and they all are of the era where the crank arms were straight 
and clearances tight. These can found NOS or lightly used on places like 
ebay and such. Even the Victory model shifts great. I measured the inner 
plate width on all three of my Campy FD's and they measure about 11mm in 
the middle. I have a couple 105 FD from 1999 that measure 12mm inside but 
the overall cage width is much wider as the inner cage has substantial lip 
to it sticking out, whereas the Campy are very slight. I also have a 
vintage "endless band" Suntour Superbe Pro FD from the mid 80's that 
measures 10mm inside, and the cage is shorter in length than any other FD's 
of that era. I know those would work since with the narrow and short cage, 
you have less concern with the tail of the FD hitting anything. With an 
8-speed hub you may have to trim the FD more as the chain angle in the 
first/large cassette cog is greater than with a 7-speed. No big deal. 

A 1x drivetrain doesn't solve anything, it just "shifts... hah hah" ... the 
blame... so to speak. Don't give up so easy !!! It'll work ! 
On Thursday, September 7, 2023 at 2:58:33 AM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I agree with Patrick that your Veloce FD didn't like the vintage-ish 
> cranks you're using. The rear shifting (I remember you're using Silver 
> friction bar-ends) should be fine with that 8-speed cassette and an 8- or 
> 9-speed chain. 
>
> 1x would probably work for the kind of gearing you like but yes, you'd be 
> swapping everything and most of that stuff is wy uglier than your Campy 
> bits. I don't know enough about all that to give recommendations. 
>
> On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 9:13:20 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Catharina: Without seeing your drivetrain more clearly I can't offer 
>> anything of great insight, but the following FWIW:
>>
>> 1. The technology required by 2X8 drivetrains is so mature now that they 
>> are almost as durable and reliable as single speeds, at least if you are 
>> using friction shifting. If properly set up, just about any FD can shift 
>> from big to small ring without throwing the chain over either ring. I see 
>> that your bike has a Shimano cassette and Veloce RD; I take it that you 
>> shift in friction? 
>>
>> And I surmise that your FD broke because it got caught by the right 
>> crankarm while you were pedaling hard?
>>
>> Front derailleur setup can be a bit finicky, but it's not rocket science 
>> and I'd take care to have the FD just ~1/4" above the big ring and to play 
>> with the lateral angle of the cage by adjusting the clamp as it rotates 
>> around the seat tube until the cage is perfectly aligned fore-and-aft with 
>> the chain/chainring. Even a wee bit off-angle can cause shifting worries. 
>> All this after getting the proper bb spindle length* and adjusting the 
>> limit screws properly. *The bb spindle length should be chosen for proper 
>> chain line -- chain on big ring straight to #4 cog, chain on small ring 
>> straight to #5 cog -- while giving the minimum sufficient gaps between 
>> chainrings and right chainstay. All this done, any crank from the last 40 
>> years ought to clear any FD from the last 40 years.
>>
>> Unless you are using a modern FD with wide, shaped cage with a 1970s 
>> Record crank? I can't tell from the photo what the crank and FD are, but 
>> the crank looks to be an old one without arm flare ... if so, it might not 
>> clear a modern wide-cage mtb FD even with proper setup and properly sized 
>> bb spindle; in which case -- assuming you don't want to swap the crank for 
>> a modern flared-arm style -- you need a narrow cage FD; any road FD ought 
>> to work fine, especially since you have only 8 cogs in back.
>>
>> I would not use bb spindle length to adjust FD cage contact with the 
>> crank arm and I'm surprised that a professional bike shop would do that. 
>> Choose the bb spindle length to put the rings into proper alignment with #4 
>> and #5 cogs and allow 2-3 mm minimum clearance against the chainstay, and 
>> any modern crank ought to clear any modern (last 40 years) straight cage FD 
>> cage just fine. There are

Re: [RBW] Roadini Shifting Problems

2023-09-06 Thread Joe Bernard

I agree with Patrick that your Veloce FD didn't like the vintage-ish cranks 
you're using. The rear shifting (I remember you're using Silver friction 
bar-ends) should be fine with that 8-speed cassette and an 8- or 9-speed 
chain. 

1x would probably work for the kind of gearing you like but yes, you'd be 
swapping everything and most of that stuff is wy uglier than your Campy 
bits. I don't know enough about all that to give recommendations. 

On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 9:13:20 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Catharina: Without seeing your drivetrain more clearly I can't offer 
> anything of great insight, but the following FWIW:
>
> 1. The technology required by 2X8 drivetrains is so mature now that they 
> are almost as durable and reliable as single speeds, at least if you are 
> using friction shifting. If properly set up, just about any FD can shift 
> from big to small ring without throwing the chain over either ring. I see 
> that your bike has a Shimano cassette and Veloce RD; I take it that you 
> shift in friction? 
>
> And I surmise that your FD broke because it got caught by the right 
> crankarm while you were pedaling hard?
>
> Front derailleur setup can be a bit finicky, but it's not rocket science 
> and I'd take care to have the FD just ~1/4" above the big ring and to play 
> with the lateral angle of the cage by adjusting the clamp as it rotates 
> around the seat tube until the cage is perfectly aligned fore-and-aft with 
> the chain/chainring. Even a wee bit off-angle can cause shifting worries. 
> All this after getting the proper bb spindle length* and adjusting the 
> limit screws properly. *The bb spindle length should be chosen for proper 
> chain line -- chain on big ring straight to #4 cog, chain on small ring 
> straight to #5 cog -- while giving the minimum sufficient gaps between 
> chainrings and right chainstay. All this done, any crank from the last 40 
> years ought to clear any FD from the last 40 years.
>
> Unless you are using a modern FD with wide, shaped cage with a 1970s 
> Record crank? I can't tell from the photo what the crank and FD are, but 
> the crank looks to be an old one without arm flare ... if so, it might not 
> clear a modern wide-cage mtb FD even with proper setup and properly sized 
> bb spindle; in which case -- assuming you don't want to swap the crank for 
> a modern flared-arm style -- you need a narrow cage FD; any road FD ought 
> to work fine, especially since you have only 8 cogs in back.
>
> I would not use bb spindle length to adjust FD cage contact with the crank 
> arm and I'm surprised that a professional bike shop would do that. Choose 
> the bb spindle length to put the rings into proper alignment with #4 and #5 
> cogs and allow 2-3 mm minimum clearance against the chainstay, and any 
> modern crank ought to clear any modern (last 40 years) straight cage FD 
> cage just fine. There are some exceptions where there is not enough gap 
> between outer/big chainring and inside of right crankarm for modern FD 
> cages, but AFAIK that has never happened with any Campy FD or any crank, 
> Campy or otherwise, from the last 50 years.
>
> 2. Viva Italia! (Not referring to the political party.) My daughter spent 
> her junior year abroad in Florence and shared many photos and experiences 
> with me, which I heartily enjoyed. But 8-speed Shimano Dura Ace is pretty 
> darned pretty!
>
> On Wed, Sep 6, 2023 at 8:05 PM Catherina Gioino  
> wrote:
>
>> Hi RBW group!
>>
>> My name’s Cat and I posted a few months ago about an earlier iteration of 
>> the same problem I’m still having: my Roadini has had trouble shifting both 
>> front and rear since I first acquired it over a year ago. I purchased it 
>> from the original owner, who had built it up with nice Campy components-- 
>> some 
>> pictures of the initial setup and the current configuration are below.
>>
>> It’s set up 2x8, and at first, the front would barely shift to the small 
>> ring at all (often not at all), and the chain would pretty frequently jump 
>> off if I even lightly overshifted. Then, the rear wheel (Velocity A23) 
>> developed a series of large cracks on the rim.
>>
>> My partner and his dad (who both have Rivs and got me into this mess, 
>> haha) tried to fix the problems by first adjusting the limit screws, and 
>> when that only made things worse and we discovered the cracked rim, we put 
>> on a Shimano cassette, replaced the wheelset with a Shimano-compatible set 
>> of A23s, and replaced the chain, on the theory that the original chain was 
>> too narrow for the original Campy cassette, letting it slip between the 
>> rings. This marginally helped, but still didn’t solve the issues, so then I 
>> had my local bike shop put in a wider bottom bracket, because they noticed 
>> that the front crank was essentially scraping the front derailleur and 
>> couldn’t be adjusted any further— they suggested the bottom bracket 
>> replacement.
>>
>> This didn’t work becau

Re: [RBW] Roadini 1000 mile review

2023-05-20 Thread John Bokman

Piaw, thanks for taking the time to measure!

Although I have been a customer of Rivendell since their inception and  was 
a Bridgestone rider previously, I would like to support them as much as 
possible. However, I find it frustrating that they don't list frame tubing 
specs. I understand there are many reasons why they would not do so. But, 
as someone who would be buying a frame from out of state, sight unseen, 
it's a tough sell. As you rightly suggest, the only way to know how it 
feels is to ride one.

On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 7:22:41 AM UTC-7 pi...@gmail.com wrote:

> I got out my calipers --- the top tube, head tube, and seat tubes are 29mm 
> (most likely 28.6), and the downtube is 31.5mm (most likely 31.8). It 
> doesn't feel stiff to me, but since I broke 2 ti frames, my guess is each 
> time I broke one my custom builder proceeded to build me bikes with 
> thicker/heavier tubing, so it's quite possible that my ti touring bike is 
> so stiff that OS tubing feels right. The seatpost is 26.8mm, so that means 
> the tube is 1.2mm thick at the ends and thinner in the middle. Since the 
> tubes used by Rivendell aren't disclosed, you'd have to ride it to see how 
> stiff you think it is. I don't have a 1993 Bridgestone RB-1 to compare, but 
> when I rode that one I wasn't nearly as strong or as abusive to bicycles as 
> I am now. I was considerably lighter (113 pounds), and wasn't taking my 
> road bikes off pavement, jumping ditches, etc. (That RB-1 died when a Volvo 
> hit me)
>
> Looking at this page: 
> https://www.veloduo.co.uk/blogs/news/steel-frame-tubing-fact-and-mythology, 
> the typical steel frame seat tube has an outside diameter of 28.6 (which is 
> pretty much what I measured). I know Grant is conservative about tubing 
> (which is why I'm so confident about riding the Roadini off pavement), so a 
> wall thickness of 1.2mm (being 0.4mm thicker than the 531 standard) 
> wouldn't surprise me.
> On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 4:01:04 AM UTC-7 Eric Daume wrote:
>
>> Hi John,
>>
>> I’m 6’3”, 180 pounds, and briefly had a 61cm Roadini. It has some weird 
>> tapering to the tubes, but I think it was basically double OS on that size. 
>> Maybe 28.6 tapering to 31.8 or something. It felt stiff and not 
>> particularly responsive to me. It’s not like an old vintage road bike with 
>> a 25.4mm top tube. 
>>
>> My ‘84 Trek rides better, but doesn’t have the tire clearance or long 
>> wheelbase of the Roadini. 
>>
>> Eric
>>
>>
>> On Friday, May 19, 2023, John Bokman  wrote:
>>
>>> Piaw, thanks for the comments and pictures! Looks like you're having 
>>> loads of fun.
>>>
>>> I would likely be running  downtube shifters and a 2x with a long cage 
>>> derailieur to get my low gears. You must be running, what,  an 11x50? I'm 
>>> sorry for the redundant question if it's listed on the website,  but are 
>>> these oversized tubes? They look to be 28.6cm at least? Yet you still feel 
>>> it is a compliant frame? (No judgement, just trying to decipher.)
>>>
>>> On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 5:35:17 PM UTC-7 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Here are some pictures of my Roadini: 
 https://www.amazon.com/photos/shared/XO7eDWt_RaCyVFynaZsftA.vhwY43mas9VqIf5gM0Swqo

 The bike as pictured weighs 24 pounds. It was 21 pounds with no toolbag 
 and lighter wheels and 30mm tires. It's possible to get lighter steel (or 
 titanium) bikes, but then the costs go up dramatically as you're likely to 
 have to go custom with correspondingly high wait times.

 On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 5:26 PM John Bokman  wrote:

> Thanks for the review! As a daily drop-bar Sam rider, I'm well 
> accustomed to the Rivendell ride. It's been a great bike for my uses: 
> commuting, heavy loading. But, as a light (155# @ 6 foot tall), spinner,  
> I 
> wish for a bike that is lighter, less stiff, and more flexible to ride 
> when 
> I want to charge hills and generally explore at speed on day rides. I am 
> interested in this frame for these reasons. But I hesitate because I'm 
> not 
> sure of the tubing specs. I don't want it to be too much bike for me! Sam 
> is less than ideal on the rides I imagine doing on the Roadini.
>
> I'd love to see some photos of your machine if you have any available.
>
> John
> Portland, OR
>
> On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 10:04:16 AM UTC-7 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Max tire width according to Rivendell is 42mm. I don't like to push 
>> it that close, so I think in practice I won't run anything more than 
>> 38mm 
>> actual width. I have no TCO on the Roadini. The TCO exists on my custom 
>> touring bike, which has a geometry copied from the 1993 Bridgestone RB-1 
>> with a longer chainstay and lower BB.
>>
>> On Wed, May 17, 2023 at 9:55 AM Ian A  wrote:
>>
>>> Piaw,
>>>
>>> Thank you for your review. You mention fitting nominally 40mm wide 
>>> tire

Re: [RBW] Roadini 1000 mile review

2023-05-20 Thread John Bokman

Eric, thanks for your thoughts. I was guessing the frame tubes were about 
as thick as my Sam. I know there is a lot more to how a bike feels than 
purely frame tube size, but I'd be reluctant to go to the same tubing for 
this type of bike and my desired riding.

On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 4:01:04 AM UTC-7 Eric Daume wrote:

> Hi John,
>
> I’m 6’3”, 180 pounds, and briefly had a 61cm Roadini. It has some weird 
> tapering to the tubes, but I think it was basically double OS on that size. 
> Maybe 28.6 tapering to 31.8 or something. It felt stiff and not 
> particularly responsive to me. It’s not like an old vintage road bike with 
> a 25.4mm top tube. 
>
> My ‘84 Trek rides better, but doesn’t have the tire clearance or long 
> wheelbase of the Roadini. 
>
> Eric
>
>
> On Friday, May 19, 2023, John Bokman  wrote:
>
>> Piaw, thanks for the comments and pictures! Looks like you're having 
>> loads of fun.
>>
>> I would likely be running  downtube shifters and a 2x with a long cage 
>> derailieur to get my low gears. You must be running, what,  an 11x50? I'm 
>> sorry for the redundant question if it's listed on the website,  but are 
>> these oversized tubes? They look to be 28.6cm at least? Yet you still feel 
>> it is a compliant frame? (No judgement, just trying to decipher.)
>>
>> On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 5:35:17 PM UTC-7 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Here are some pictures of my Roadini: 
>>> https://www.amazon.com/photos/shared/XO7eDWt_RaCyVFynaZsftA.vhwY43mas9VqIf5gM0Swqo
>>>
>>> The bike as pictured weighs 24 pounds. It was 21 pounds with no toolbag 
>>> and lighter wheels and 30mm tires. It's possible to get lighter steel (or 
>>> titanium) bikes, but then the costs go up dramatically as you're likely to 
>>> have to go custom with correspondingly high wait times.
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 5:26 PM John Bokman  wrote:
>>>
 Thanks for the review! As a daily drop-bar Sam rider, I'm well 
 accustomed to the Rivendell ride. It's been a great bike for my uses: 
 commuting, heavy loading. But, as a light (155# @ 6 foot tall), spinner,  
 I 
 wish for a bike that is lighter, less stiff, and more flexible to ride 
 when 
 I want to charge hills and generally explore at speed on day rides. I am 
 interested in this frame for these reasons. But I hesitate because I'm not 
 sure of the tubing specs. I don't want it to be too much bike for me! Sam 
 is less than ideal on the rides I imagine doing on the Roadini.

 I'd love to see some photos of your machine if you have any available.

 John
 Portland, OR

 On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 10:04:16 AM UTC-7 pi...@gmail.com wrote:

> Max tire width according to Rivendell is 42mm. I don't like to push it 
> that close, so I think in practice I won't run anything more than 38mm 
> actual width. I have no TCO on the Roadini. The TCO exists on my custom 
> touring bike, which has a geometry copied from the 1993 Bridgestone RB-1 
> with a longer chainstay and lower BB.
>
> On Wed, May 17, 2023 at 9:55 AM Ian A  wrote:
>
>> Piaw,
>>
>> Thank you for your review. You mention fitting nominally 40mm wide 
>> tires and I would be curious to know what the maximum tire widths with 
>> and 
>> without fenders are? 
>>
>> Your review in the final paragraph draws reference to toe-clip 
>> overlap (TCO) and I was wondering if you could expand on that. Do you 
>> experience TCO on the Roadini?  I wasn't quite sure if you were 
>> referencing 
>> the Roadini or an idea for a custom in this snippet of the review "  It 
>> gets rid of the toe clip overlap (which doesn't bother me but now that I 
>> know how to solve it without making a bike handle badly".
>>
>> IanA Alberta Canada
>> On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 9:54:06 AM UTC-6 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I've now ridden my Roadini for 1000 miles, and I wrote my review: 
>>> https://blog.piaw.net/2023/05/rivendell-roadini-1000-mile-review.html
>>>
>>> I think I'm agreeing with the folks who say that gravel bikes are 
>>> simply 1990s style mountain bikes with 700c wheels and 1x drivetrains.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Roadini 1000 mile review

2023-05-20 Thread Piaw Na

I got out my calipers --- the top tube, head tube, and seat tubes are 29mm 
(most likely 28.6), and the downtube is 31.5mm (most likely 31.8). It 
doesn't feel stiff to me, but since I broke 2 ti frames, my guess is each 
time I broke one my custom builder proceeded to build me bikes with 
thicker/heavier tubing, so it's quite possible that my ti touring bike is 
so stiff that OS tubing feels right. The seatpost is 26.8mm, so that means 
the tube is 1.2mm thick at the ends and thinner in the middle. Since the 
tubes used by Rivendell aren't disclosed, you'd have to ride it to see how 
stiff you think it is. I don't have a 1993 Bridgestone RB-1 to compare, but 
when I rode that one I wasn't nearly as strong or as abusive to bicycles as 
I am now. I was considerably lighter (113 pounds), and wasn't taking my 
road bikes off pavement, jumping ditches, etc. (That RB-1 died when a Volvo 
hit me)

Looking at this 
page: 
https://www.veloduo.co.uk/blogs/news/steel-frame-tubing-fact-and-mythology, 
the typical steel frame seat tube has an outside diameter of 28.6 (which is 
pretty much what I measured). I know Grant is conservative about tubing 
(which is why I'm so confident about riding the Roadini off pavement), so a 
wall thickness of 1.2mm (being 0.4mm thicker than the 531 standard) 
wouldn't surprise me.
On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 4:01:04 AM UTC-7 Eric Daume wrote:

> Hi John,
>
> I’m 6’3”, 180 pounds, and briefly had a 61cm Roadini. It has some weird 
> tapering to the tubes, but I think it was basically double OS on that size. 
> Maybe 28.6 tapering to 31.8 or something. It felt stiff and not 
> particularly responsive to me. It’s not like an old vintage road bike with 
> a 25.4mm top tube. 
>
> My ‘84 Trek rides better, but doesn’t have the tire clearance or long 
> wheelbase of the Roadini. 
>
> Eric
>
>
> On Friday, May 19, 2023, John Bokman  wrote:
>
>> Piaw, thanks for the comments and pictures! Looks like you're having 
>> loads of fun.
>>
>> I would likely be running  downtube shifters and a 2x with a long cage 
>> derailieur to get my low gears. You must be running, what,  an 11x50? I'm 
>> sorry for the redundant question if it's listed on the website,  but are 
>> these oversized tubes? They look to be 28.6cm at least? Yet you still feel 
>> it is a compliant frame? (No judgement, just trying to decipher.)
>>
>> On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 5:35:17 PM UTC-7 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Here are some pictures of my Roadini: 
>>> https://www.amazon.com/photos/shared/XO7eDWt_RaCyVFynaZsftA.vhwY43mas9VqIf5gM0Swqo
>>>
>>> The bike as pictured weighs 24 pounds. It was 21 pounds with no toolbag 
>>> and lighter wheels and 30mm tires. It's possible to get lighter steel (or 
>>> titanium) bikes, but then the costs go up dramatically as you're likely to 
>>> have to go custom with correspondingly high wait times.
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 5:26 PM John Bokman  wrote:
>>>
 Thanks for the review! As a daily drop-bar Sam rider, I'm well 
 accustomed to the Rivendell ride. It's been a great bike for my uses: 
 commuting, heavy loading. But, as a light (155# @ 6 foot tall), spinner,  
 I 
 wish for a bike that is lighter, less stiff, and more flexible to ride 
 when 
 I want to charge hills and generally explore at speed on day rides. I am 
 interested in this frame for these reasons. But I hesitate because I'm not 
 sure of the tubing specs. I don't want it to be too much bike for me! Sam 
 is less than ideal on the rides I imagine doing on the Roadini.

 I'd love to see some photos of your machine if you have any available.

 John
 Portland, OR

 On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 10:04:16 AM UTC-7 pi...@gmail.com wrote:

> Max tire width according to Rivendell is 42mm. I don't like to push it 
> that close, so I think in practice I won't run anything more than 38mm 
> actual width. I have no TCO on the Roadini. The TCO exists on my custom 
> touring bike, which has a geometry copied from the 1993 Bridgestone RB-1 
> with a longer chainstay and lower BB.
>
> On Wed, May 17, 2023 at 9:55 AM Ian A  wrote:
>
>> Piaw,
>>
>> Thank you for your review. You mention fitting nominally 40mm wide 
>> tires and I would be curious to know what the maximum tire widths with 
>> and 
>> without fenders are? 
>>
>> Your review in the final paragraph draws reference to toe-clip 
>> overlap (TCO) and I was wondering if you could expand on that. Do you 
>> experience TCO on the Roadini?  I wasn't quite sure if you were 
>> referencing 
>> the Roadini or an idea for a custom in this snippet of the review "  It 
>> gets rid of the toe clip overlap (which doesn't bother me but now that I 
>> know how to solve it without making a bike handle badly".
>>
>> IanA Alberta Canada
>> On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 9:54:06 AM UTC-6 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I

Re: [RBW] Roadini 1000 mile review

2023-05-20 Thread Eric Daume

Hi John,

I’m 6’3”, 180 pounds, and briefly had a 61cm Roadini. It has some weird
tapering to the tubes, but I think it was basically double OS on that size.
Maybe 28.6 tapering to 31.8 or something. It felt stiff and not
particularly responsive to me. It’s not like an old vintage road bike with
a 25.4mm top tube.

My ‘84 Trek rides better, but doesn’t have the tire clearance or long
wheelbase of the Roadini.

Eric

On Friday, May 19, 2023, John Bokman  wrote:

> Piaw, thanks for the comments and pictures! Looks like you're having loads
> of fun.
>
> I would likely be running  downtube shifters and a 2x with a long cage
> derailieur to get my low gears. You must be running, what,  an 11x50? I'm
> sorry for the redundant question if it's listed on the website,  but are
> these oversized tubes? They look to be 28.6cm at least? Yet you still feel
> it is a compliant frame? (No judgement, just trying to decipher.)
>
> On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 5:35:17 PM UTC-7 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Here are some pictures of my Roadini: https://www.amazon.
>> com/photos/shared/XO7eDWt_RaCyVFynaZsftA.vhwY43mas9VqIf5gM0Swqo
>>
>> The bike as pictured weighs 24 pounds. It was 21 pounds with no toolbag
>> and lighter wheels and 30mm tires. It's possible to get lighter steel (or
>> titanium) bikes, but then the costs go up dramatically as you're likely to
>> have to go custom with correspondingly high wait times.
>>
>> On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 5:26 PM John Bokman  wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for the review! As a daily drop-bar Sam rider, I'm well
>>> accustomed to the Rivendell ride. It's been a great bike for my uses:
>>> commuting, heavy loading. But, as a light (155# @ 6 foot tall), spinner,  I
>>> wish for a bike that is lighter, less stiff, and more flexible to ride when
>>> I want to charge hills and generally explore at speed on day rides. I am
>>> interested in this frame for these reasons. But I hesitate because I'm not
>>> sure of the tubing specs. I don't want it to be too much bike for me! Sam
>>> is less than ideal on the rides I imagine doing on the Roadini.
>>>
>>> I'd love to see some photos of your machine if you have any available.
>>>
>>> John
>>> Portland, OR
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 10:04:16 AM UTC-7 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Max tire width according to Rivendell is 42mm. I don't like to push it
 that close, so I think in practice I won't run anything more than 38mm
 actual width. I have no TCO on the Roadini. The TCO exists on my custom
 touring bike, which has a geometry copied from the 1993 Bridgestone RB-1
 with a longer chainstay and lower BB.

 On Wed, May 17, 2023 at 9:55 AM Ian A  wrote:

> Piaw,
>
> Thank you for your review. You mention fitting nominally 40mm wide
> tires and I would be curious to know what the maximum tire widths with and
> without fenders are?
>
> Your review in the final paragraph draws reference to toe-clip overlap
> (TCO) and I was wondering if you could expand on that. Do you experience
> TCO on the Roadini?  I wasn't quite sure if you were referencing the
> Roadini or an idea for a custom in this snippet of the review "  It
> gets rid of the toe clip overlap (which doesn't bother me but now that I
> know how to solve it without making a bike handle badly".
>
> IanA Alberta Canada
> On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 9:54:06 AM UTC-6 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I've now ridden my Roadini for 1000 miles, and I wrote my review:
>> https://blog.piaw.net/2023/05/rivendell-roadini-1000-mile-review.html
>>
>> I think I'm agreeing with the folks who say that gravel bikes are
>> simply 1990s style mountain bikes with 700c wheels and 1x drivetrains.
>>
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[RBW] Roadini 1000 mile review

2023-05-17 Thread Piaw Na

I've now ridden my Roadini for 1000 miles, and I wrote my 
review: https://blog.piaw.net/2023/05/rivendell-roadini-1000-mile-review.html

I think I'm agreeing with the folks who say that gravel bikes are simply 
1990s style mountain bikes with 700c wheels and 1x drivetrains.

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[RBW] Roadini ride quality

2023-02-26 Thread Douglas Toh

Hey everyone

I've just gotten a Roadini 2022 frame in 54cm, looking to save up money for 
parts and build it up slowly.

I'm really excited- never owned a Riv before, much less a Roadini.

For Roadini owners, how does it ride?

Cheers,
Doug

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Re: [RBW] Roadini in gravel mode

2022-12-18 Thread amillhench

So it’s now a Gravini?

Best,

Aaron in El Paso

On Dec 18, 2022, at 17:24, Piaw Na wrote:

I caved and bought a couple of Continental Terraspeed tires and corresponding
tubes, outfitted the Roadini and took it on some mountain bike trails and
single track. (See photo: https://photos.app.goo.gl/FzYTKdFiQWmFksVAA) The 40mm
tires mounted at 38mm, so I had plenty of clearance. As you might expect, the
bike handled nicely on trails, at the expense of not being nearly as agile or
nimble on the road. I even caught a little bit of air here and there. I'll
probably keep the Roadini in gravel mode for a while, since my regular touring
bike has slick tires, it's nice to have 2 bikes ready to go for whatever ride I
feel like doing. (obligatory strava tracks:
https://www.strava.com/activities/8264684931)
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[RBW] Roadini in gravel mode

2022-12-18 Thread Piaw Na

I caved and bought a couple of Continental Terraspeed tires and 
corresponding tubes, outfitted the Roadini and took it on some mountain 
bike trails and single track. (See 
photo: https://photos.app.goo.gl/FzYTKdFiQWmFksVAA) The 40mm tires mounted 
at 38mm, so I had plenty of clearance. As you might expect, the bike 
handled nicely on trails, at the expense of not being nearly as agile or 
nimble on the road. I even caught a little bit of air here and there. I'll 
probably keep the Roadini in gravel mode for a while, since my regular 
touring bike has slick tires, it's nice to have 2 bikes ready to go for 
whatever ride I feel like doing. (obligatory strava 
tracks: https://www.strava.com/activities/8264684931)

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[RBW] Roadini 61 on Craigslist (not mine)

2022-09-13 Thread Joe Bernard

Somebody had a change of heart, somebody else should buy it!*

*The missing binder bolt signals to me that this frame needs threads chased 
and the derailleur hanger checked/straightened, I kinda wish Riv wasn't 
selling them to folks this way but I guess it speeds up the process of 
getting frames sold and shipped. 

https://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/bik/d/petaluma-new-rivendell-roadini-61cm/7533355157.html

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Re: [RBW] Roadini vs San Marcos

2022-07-26 Thread Karl Wilcox

I have both the Roadini and the San Marcos.  They are essentially the same
frame in terms of design.  The only difference is that the San Marcos can
take 38c tires, and my 2018 Roadini only accommodates 35's.  The San Marcos
in my size also has the double top tube.  I actually think that the Roadini
is just slightly stiffer (less compliant).  Owning both of these frames is
probably redundant, but I use the San Marcos for gravel/dirt rides and long
endurance stuff (brevets), and I have the Roadini set up to be a light and
fast club bike.  I would say that the Roadini is less compliant when riding
fast and hard whereas the San Marcos is just too compliant when trying to
stay with the fast group on steep hills and out of the saddle (rear end
flexes rather alot, but, then, I am 6'6" tall and 205 lbs).  I guess you
could say that the Roadini is the frame for riding fast/hard as compared to
the San Marcos.

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> I have been happily riding my San Marcos for a few years but have always
> been curious about the Roadini. Has anyone ever had the pleasure of riding
> both, and could comment on the differences? I'm considering going for one
> in the upcoming presale.
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[RBW] Roadini vs San Marcos

2022-07-26 Thread zem...@gmail.com

I have been happily riding my San Marcos for a few years but have always 
been curious about the Roadini. Has anyone ever had the pleasure of riding 
both, and could comment on the differences? I'm considering going for one 
in the upcoming presale.

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