[RBW] Re: Custom frames sold out
Correction - there is a link to the deposit page in the new 2018 copy for every made to order frame page. Customs still prompt you to contact the crew. On Wednesday, March 7, 2018 at 4:40:33 PM UTC-8, Michael, SF/CA wrote: > > I noticed the lead time-related copy for each frame has been updated for > 2018. Lead time estimates on the stouter made-to-order frames (Hunq, > Atlantis) have improved to 4-6 months, while it appears they've > deliberately withheld estimates for the lighter frames (AHH, Roadeo). Could > be the true temper thing. Frame deposit page still live and updated to > reflect 2018 pricing, but accessible only via search ( > https://www.rivbike.com/search?q=deposit). I get the impression one > should be able to kick off a custom frame no problem, you just have to pick > up the phone. > > On Monday, February 26, 2018 at 5:32:01 PM UTC-8, Chris Birkenmaier wrote: >> >> Been visiting the Riv website often with the recent shopping initiative >> and noticed that custom frames are listed as sold out. Saw this a few days >> back so it’s not new. Any reason why a custom could not be ordered via the >> site or am I missing something? As an aside I wasn’t looking to order a >> custom - simply noticed it > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Custom frames sold out
When was this? I placed my Gunnar Crosshairs order in September and it took at least 10 weeks. On Tuesday, February 27, 2018 at 5:55:10 PM UTC-5, Eric wrote: > > A 9-month wait time for a stock frame might dissuade potential customers. > > Last time I talked with my Waterford dealer (I was looking at the T-14) > and I was told it was like 2 month turn around. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Custom frames sold out
I noticed the lead time-related copy for each frame has been updated for 2018. Lead time estimates on the stouter made-to-order frames (Hunq, Atlantis) have improved to 4-6 months, while it appears they've deliberately withheld estimates for the lighter frames (AHH, Roadeo). Could be the true temper thing. Frame deposit page still live and updated to reflect 2018 pricing, but accessible only via search (https://www.rivbike.com/search?q=deposit). I get the impression one should be able to kick off a custom frame no problem, you just have to pick up the phone. On Monday, February 26, 2018 at 5:32:01 PM UTC-8, Chris Birkenmaier wrote: > > Been visiting the Riv website often with the recent shopping initiative > and noticed that custom frames are listed as sold out. Saw this a few days > back so it’s not new. Any reason why a custom could not be ordered via the > site or am I missing something? As an aside I wasn’t looking to order a > custom - simply noticed it -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Custom frames sold out
A 9-month wait time for a stock frame might dissuade potential customers. Last time I talked with my Waterford dealer (I was looking at the T-14) and I was told it was like 2 month turn around. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Custom frames sold out
"Out of stock" takes away the ability to click and enter payment on a made-to-order frame. The message I get from this is that Riv is not taking deposits on customs, nor full payment on Hunqapillars. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Custom frames sold out
I actually found it odd that the frames appeared to be "In Stock" since I knew the made-to-order frames weren't actually sitting in Walnut Creek. With the change in optics, I would now hope that the 63 Roadeo is on a hook in their warehouse, and if I were to put the comically-large-for-me frame in my cart and pay up, I could then hop on BART and pick it up much sooner than many months later. I do agree that some copy change would make things crystal clear, but at least this way nobody has the affordance to pull the trigger on a frame they (somehow) don't realize is 9 months out. FWIW, Rivendell took my deposit on a Waterford canti-Hilsen on Jan 31. Expected turnaround on the Hilsen holds at 6-9 months, OK by me as I have a continuous stream of life stuff to distract me in the next few months. On Monday, February 26, 2018 at 5:32:01 PM UTC-8, Chris Birkenmaier wrote: > > Been visiting the Riv website often with the recent shopping initiative > and noticed that custom frames are listed as sold out. Saw this a few days > back so it’s not new. Any reason why a custom could not be ordered via the > site or am I missing something? As an aside I wasn’t looking to order a > custom - simply noticed it -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Custom frames sold out
I suspect as I think Bill alludes to, that Rivendell is in a unique position because of the number of employees and diverse product selection compared to a complaint like BMC. Maintaining payroll for 13 employees must strain cash flow whereas some of the competitors don’t have that pressure. I assume the custom frames would be low risk in terms of cash flow however since customers provide the upfront deposit. I am hoping to hear an update soon on the Hail Mary. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Custom frames sold out
There is no question that building bikes in batches brings the price down and ties up cash in inventory. The easy thing to do in theory that is hard in practice, is to have a good solid number that represents your absolute max possible inventory in dollars. For the sake of argument, let's say that number is 1 million dollars. Any small business that thinks their MAX inventory might be $1M, needs to keep enough cash on-hand such that their Current Inventory + Current Cash >= $1M. That way, no matter what you need to buy, no matter what bills need to be paid, you'll have the cash on hand to do it. This means you have to have a good ceiling number, you have to have the disciplne to gather and maintain that right amount of cash on hand, and you have to have the discipline to never violate your ceiling number. The bigger the business, the harder that is. A tiny operation like Black Mountain Cycles does a good job of that. Mike brings in a batch of frames when he needs them, and always has the cash on hand to pay for them. He's got a good number, and good discipline, and never scrambles, but he also only has two models of frame. OK 2.5 models, but soon to be 4.5 models. More importantly, he has one employee, himself. Bill Lindsay El Cerrito, CA On Tuesday, February 27, 2018 at 10:33:05 AM UTC-8, Eric wrote: > > I was surprised to hear about the long wait time w/ Waterford. > > I do recall Box Dog Bikes had a successful partnership with Winter > Bicycles to do batches of the Pelican. > > Would some sort of arrangement with other builders be beneficial for Riv? > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Custom frames sold out
My sense - just a sense, I have no inside info - is Riv kinda over the whole custom-and-Waterford thing, and would rather design, order and sell the lower-cost Taiwan bikes. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Custom frames sold out
I was surprised to hear about the long wait time w/ Waterford. I do recall Box Dog Bikes had a successful partnership with Winter Bicycles to do batches of the Pelican. Would some sort of arrangement with other builders be beneficial for Riv? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Custom frames sold out
The Roadeo only has a 63 in stock, it looks like; otherwise, the rest of the Roadeo sizes, the Atlantis, A Homer Hilsen, and the Hunqapillar are all shown w/ 5 or 6 to a 9-month wait time. I'd not thought about the True Temper side of things, since the Silver tubing should be coming into play, but, that may be part of the holdup... they may be considering seeing if Toyo might come back into sourcing, or maybe getting Mark Nobilette to build them as needed, though that'd be competing against their customs, too. I don't know any of that, no insider info, just hypothesizing out loud... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Custom frames sold out
This is possible. TrueTemper is long gone IMO. I don't think my Gunnar crosshairs has a single tube of TrueTemper On Tuesday, February 27, 2018 at 1:09:49 AM UTC-5, Drw wrote: > > I feel like they said they weren’t doing Waterford made to order bikes for > a while due to true temper discontinuing their bike tubing and long wait > times at Waterford. I could be wrong. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Custom frames sold out
I feel like they said they weren’t doing Waterford made to order bikes for a while due to true temper discontinuing their bike tubing and long wait times at Waterford. I could be wrong. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Custom frames sold out
Maybe better than "Sold Out" would be "Contact Us". dougP On Monday, February 26, 2018 at 5:32:01 PM UTC-8, Chris Birkenmaier wrote: > > Been visiting the Riv website often with the recent shopping initiative > and noticed that custom frames are listed as sold out. Saw this a few days > back so it’s not new. Any reason why a custom could not be ordered via the > site or am I missing something? As an aside I wasn’t looking to order a > custom - simply noticed it -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Custom frames sold out
The Hunqapillar is listed as sold out, too. Yes, this is odd. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Custom frames sold out
I would think a comment to call Riv directly might work better than a "sold out" notation. Custom builders that I have seen often have a place to put in a deposit online and then a follow up with the builder for specific specs. Just struck me as odd but perhaps it is not. On Monday, February 26, 2018 at 8:54:11 PM UTC-5, David B wrote: > > I'd imagine Riv would like to have a conversation with the intended buyer > to make sure his/her ideas are compatible with Riv before money is put down. > > On Monday, February 26, 2018 at 7:32:01 PM UTC-6, Chris Birkenmaier wrote: >> >> Been visiting the Riv website often with the recent shopping initiative >> and noticed that custom frames are listed as sold out. Saw this a few days >> back so it’s not new. Any reason why a custom could not be ordered via the >> site or am I missing something? As an aside I wasn’t looking to order a >> custom - simply noticed it > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Custom frames sold out
I'd imagine Riv would like to have a conversation with the intended buyer to make sure his/her ideas are compatible with Riv before money is put down. On Monday, February 26, 2018 at 7:32:01 PM UTC-6, Chris Birkenmaier wrote: > > Been visiting the Riv website often with the recent shopping initiative > and noticed that custom frames are listed as sold out. Saw this a few days > back so it’s not new. Any reason why a custom could not be ordered via the > site or am I missing something? As an aside I wasn’t looking to order a > custom - simply noticed it -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
