Re: [RBW] Re: Quickbeam Racking
I sent you a PM but I'm about 60/40 with those, so just in case, email me at my user name at Gmail dot com, please and thanks? Jeff Hagedorn Los Angeles, CA USA On Wednesday, February 21, 2018 at 3:48:07 PM UTC-8, nathan wrote: > > This also means I'll have a very nice condition 60cm green Quickbeam for > sale. Email me if you're interested. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Quickbeam Racking
Congratulations again! The Frank Jones seems like it would be pretty happy with a Tubus and an Ortleib. Philip Santa Rosa, CA On Wednesday, February 21, 2018 at 3:48:07 PM UTC-8, nathan wrote: > > A surprise resolution to this thread! I just ordered the blue 59 Frank > Jones Sr that went on the 'web specials' today. That's the Rivendell single > speed frame I actually wanted when I got this Quickbeam. Very excited! > > This also means I'll have a very nice condition 60cm green Quickbeam for > sale. Email me if you're interested. > > Cheers, > Nathan > > On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 10:11 PM, Philip Williamson > wrote: > >> Huh. I removed CR720s, and installed CX50s. >> I bend-fudged the arms a bit, since the rack had been repaired, but >> everything lined up perfectly, including the fender drilling to the M12 >> mount. The Wald was welded right to the rack, too, which is pretty ratrod >> couture. >> >> I do not use the double-ended bolts, I just bolt the rack arms to the >> cantis with the normal canti bolt. It works for me. You crazy kids with >> your “measuring” and your “special bolts!” >> >> Philip >> Santa Rosa, CA >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com . >> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com >> . >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Quickbeam Racking
A surprise resolution to this thread! I just ordered the blue 59 Frank Jones Sr that went on the 'web specials' today. That's the Rivendell single speed frame I actually wanted when I got this Quickbeam. Very excited! This also means I'll have a very nice condition 60cm green Quickbeam for sale. Email me if you're interested. Cheers, Nathan On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 10:11 PM, Philip Williamson < philip.william...@gmail.com> wrote: > Huh. I removed CR720s, and installed CX50s. > I bend-fudged the arms a bit, since the rack had been repaired, but > everything lined up perfectly, including the fender drilling to the M12 > mount. The Wald was welded right to the rack, too, which is pretty ratrod > couture. > > I do not use the double-ended bolts, I just bolt the rack arms to the > cantis with the normal canti bolt. It works for me. You crazy kids with > your “measuring” and your “special bolts!” > > Philip > Santa Rosa, CA > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Quickbeam Racking
Huh. I removed CR720s, and installed CX50s. I bend-fudged the arms a bit, since the rack had been repaired, but everything lined up perfectly, including the fender drilling to the M12 mount. The Wald was welded right to the rack, too, which is pretty ratrod couture. I do not use the double-ended bolts, I just bolt the rack arms to the cantis with the normal canti bolt. It works for me. You crazy kids with your “measuring” and your “special bolts!” Philip Santa Rosa, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Quickbeam Racking
Thank you all for all the detailed recommendations and thoughts! Tough decisions on this little but important aspect of the build. :) Bill: thanks for cautioning the M12 with those brake types. I wonder if I could mabe get it to work by 'cold setting' the rack like so? https://justinvelo.com/2015/06/16/nitto-m12-front-rack-paul-components-rack-adapter/ Deacon Patrick: "why not rear rack?" is a good question. That works just fine, although I much prefer the easy quickness of items on the front of the bike. Most of my trips are short commutes around town, and I like the flow and flexibility of front baskets/bags vs. panniers or saddlebags. I'm wondering if the less-aesthetically-satisfying-but-probably-is-just-fine option of the 'Wald Bosco Basket' might be an acceptable compromise. I'm also going to look into handlebar-mounted bag options to see if they'd maybe work instead of a basket. Patrick On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 6:38 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote: > BikeTinker Phil said: > > "I agree with Bill, that an M12 and Paul brakes is sub-optimal. I would > recommend the Shimano CX-50 brakes from Rivendell over the Tektro CR720s. > I had the Tektros and didn't care for them; I recently installed the > CX-50s and like them a lot. Personal preferences. " > > I agree with Phil that Shimano CX-50s and CX-70s are nicer brakes than > Tektro CR720s, but those brakes also stick out in front of the end of the > canti posts. It's not as bad as Pauls, but it's still pretty bad and > not-subtle. By my measurements they stick out about 8mm beyond the tips of > the canti-posts. I would not set up a Nitto M12 or M13 with Shimano CX-50 > or CX-70 brakes. The two headed bolt that Nitto supplies to mount the > brake and give you a place to mount the rack, has very short threaded > section. You may not even get the threads started on Shimano CX-50 or > CX-70 brakes, and if you do, it wouldn't be many threads. Even then, now > you are faced with trying to level the rack platform because you insisted > on using brakes that were not intended to use with that rack. The rack is > supposed to register against the ends of the cantilever posts. > > I'll repeat my recommendation, that IF you insist on using a Nitto M12 or > M13 rack, that you use brakes LIKE the CR720 that do not extend past the > tips of the cantilever posts. Old school Shimano MT-70 and MC-62 also fit > the bill. M.A.F.A.C. cantilevers fit the bill. There are lots of > choices. The Tektro CR720s are an easy choice because they are ubiquitous > and really inexpensive and work just fine. > > Bill Lindsay > El Cerrito, CA > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Quickbeam Racking
BikeTinker Phil said: "I agree with Bill, that an M12 and Paul brakes is sub-optimal. I would recommend the Shimano CX-50 brakes from Rivendell over the Tektro CR720s. I had the Tektros and didn't care for them; I recently installed the CX-50s and like them a lot. Personal preferences. " I agree with Phil that Shimano CX-50s and CX-70s are nicer brakes than Tektro CR720s, but those brakes also stick out in front of the end of the canti posts. It's not as bad as Pauls, but it's still pretty bad and not-subtle. By my measurements they stick out about 8mm beyond the tips of the canti-posts. I would not set up a Nitto M12 or M13 with Shimano CX-50 or CX-70 brakes. The two headed bolt that Nitto supplies to mount the brake and give you a place to mount the rack, has very short threaded section. You may not even get the threads started on Shimano CX-50 or CX-70 brakes, and if you do, it wouldn't be many threads. Even then, now you are faced with trying to level the rack platform because you insisted on using brakes that were not intended to use with that rack. The rack is supposed to register against the ends of the cantilever posts. I'll repeat my recommendation, that IF you insist on using a Nitto M12 or M13 rack, that you use brakes LIKE the CR720 that do not extend past the tips of the cantilever posts. Old school Shimano MT-70 and MC-62 also fit the bill. M.A.F.A.C. cantilevers fit the bill. There are lots of choices. The Tektro CR720s are an easy choice because they are ubiquitous and really inexpensive and work just fine. Bill Lindsay El Cerrito, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Quickbeam Racking
I agree with Bill, that an M12 and Paul brakes is sub-optimal. I would recommend the Shimano CX-50 brakes from Rivendell over the Tektro CR720s. I had the Tektros and didn't care for them; I recently installed the CX-50s and like them a lot. Personal preferences. I do have Paul brakes on another bike, and Avid Ultimates in the "nicer parts" bin. Both have springs on the front of the brake that push the rack mount out a lot. Enough that if I wanted to use them on the Quickbeam, I would need to space out the crown-mounting, and re-drill the fender where it mounts to the rack. I did break a Nitto M12 at the crown bolt, but it took 13 years and a bad commute where someone slammed the bus tray (bikes go into sliding rack in the bus cargo bay) on my bike. tl;dr: Pick different brakes or a different rack setup. For me, the basket on canti-rack is this quintessential Quickbeam portage solution, so I chose different brakes. Philip Santa Rosa, CA On Monday, February 19, 2018 at 12:59:21 PM UTC-8, nathan wrote: > > I'm excitedly building up a new-to-me green 60cm Quickbeam, purchased from > fellow list member Tom! > > I'm planning on deploying the classic around town combo: front rack with > medium Wald basket. > > This is an older frame, prior the addition of the mid-stay rack mounts. > I'd like to avoid p-clamps if possible. Can anyone confirm if the pairing > of Quickbeam fork + Paul Touring Cantis + Nitto M12/M13 all fit okay? Any > other options I should consider? > > Thanks! > Nathan > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Quickbeam Racking
Not heresy by me; before I got Chauncey Matthews to make custom racks for me, the Tubus Fly and Ortliebs were my carriage solution of choice. Both brands make wonderful products at reasonable prices, IMO. I agree that there is nothing as convenient for carrying things than a large front basket but IME (I've tried 2 baskets, one the Newsboy) the proportion between weight of the setup (particularly if you put the basket on a rack) to the weight of possible load is far less than alternatives; and this doesn't include any effect on handling. On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 4:06 PM, Will wrote: > This is probably heresy... but I'd install a Tubus rear rack and use an > Ortlieb roller classic pannier. Why carry weight high on the front when you > can carry low on the back? > > On Monday, February 19, 2018 at 2:59:21 PM UTC-6, nathan wrote: >> >> I'm excitedly building up a new-to-me green 60cm Quickbeam, purchased >> from fellow list member Tom! >> >> I'm planning on deploying the classic around town combo: front rack with >> medium Wald basket. >> >> This is an older frame, prior the addition of the mid-stay rack mounts. >> I'd like to avoid p-clamps if possible. Can anyone confirm if the pairing >> of Quickbeam fork + Paul Touring Cantis + Nitto M12/M13 all fit okay? Any >> other options I should consider? >> >> Thanks! >> Nathan >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. Other professional writing services. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Patrick Moore Alburquerque, New Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique ** ** *Auditis an me ludit amabilis insania?* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Quickbeam Racking
This is probably heresy... but I'd install a Tubus rear rack and use an Ortlieb roller classic pannier. Why carry weight high on the front when you can carry low on the back? On Monday, February 19, 2018 at 2:59:21 PM UTC-6, nathan wrote: > > I'm excitedly building up a new-to-me green 60cm Quickbeam, purchased from > fellow list member Tom! > > I'm planning on deploying the classic around town combo: front rack with > medium Wald basket. > > This is an older frame, prior the addition of the mid-stay rack mounts. > I'd like to avoid p-clamps if possible. Can anyone confirm if the pairing > of Quickbeam fork + Paul Touring Cantis + Nitto M12/M13 all fit okay? Any > other options I should consider? > > Thanks! > Nathan > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Quickbeam Racking
Nathan, If you decide to ignore Bills advice (and to be honest if i had read this before thinking about what you are i may have not gone thru with my purchase) and try to make it work with the Pauls, I have an M12 and the requisite Pauls Adaptor Nuts in my parts box. I was thinking of doing this exact thing, but then i thought thru how i used my QB, and i need/often carry way more load then would work on an M12. If the load requirements are ok with you, i've seen this done before (though not on a QB) FWIW, i use a Nitto Mini Front + p-clamps, yes the p-clamps are ugly but they work, and it lets me run the giant nitto platrack. If you still want to try it, send me a direct message and we can work out a deal for the M12 + racknuts. On Monday, February 19, 2018 at 4:27:18 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote: > > Paul brakes plus their rack adapter are EXTREMELY tall compared to any > normal brakes. Like maybe two full centimeters tall. That means it can be > quite difficult to use an off the shelf non adjustable rack like the M12 or > M13. My advice would be to use Tektro CR720 brakes with and M12 or M13 > rack, or get a custom rack made for your Paul setup. > > Bill Lindsay > El Cerrito Ca > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Quickbeam Racking
Congrats! I use the M12 and a medium Wald on my green Quickbeam and it works well. The brakes aren't Pauls, however. Isaac -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Quickbeam Racking
I used these (http://www.tubus.com/product.php?xn=32) with good results on my '85 Stumpjumper paired with a Riv HAR rack. On Monday, February 19, 2018 at 12:59:21 PM UTC-8, nathan wrote: > > I'm excitedly building up a new-to-me green 60cm Quickbeam, purchased from > fellow list member Tom! > > I'm planning on deploying the classic around town combo: front rack with > medium Wald basket. > > This is an older frame, prior the addition of the mid-stay rack mounts. > I'd like to avoid p-clamps if possible. Can anyone confirm if the pairing > of Quickbeam fork + Paul Touring Cantis + Nitto M12/M13 all fit okay? Any > other options I should consider? > > Thanks! > Nathan > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
