Re: [RBW] Re: Saluki For Sale... Not Mine

[Keith Weaver]

I have been seeing this Saluki pop up on my regular Rivendell searchtempest
survey of nearby craigslist ads. See the ad here:
https://reno.craigslist.org/bik/d/reno-rivendell-saluki/7512953852.html. I
live in Reno, I'm available to help if anyone wants to buy this and finds
the seller doesn't want to deal with shipping.

Cheers,
Keith

On Tue, Aug 2, 2022 at 12:02 PM Eric Marth  wrote:

> Very cool, thanks for scraping the info for us, Max!
>
> On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 2:21:10 PM UTC-4 iamkeith wrote:
>
>> Yeah  no kidding.  That's a screaming deal on a bike that's that sought
>> after and in that condition.  Beautiful color too - not quite like my more
>> common, yellower ones that I used to call butterscotch but - I now realize
>> - aren't.   It's one of the later run ones - without the rear brake hanger
>> bridge but with more tire clearance and the wider (RC-3?) fork cown.
>> Probably still Toyo made, still has my favorite  pointy lugs and the
>> double-tapered seat stays.  Hope someone here grabs it!
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 8:50:54 AM UTC-6 Joel S wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Max.  Too bad no color is mentioned, it may have been my original
>>> Saluki if it is green and has centerpulls.  That bike was just too big for
>>> me.  Bike is worth a minimum of 2k if in condition as described, maybe
>>> more.
>>>
>>> Sent from Proton Mail for iOS
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 2, 2022 at 10:25 AM, maxcr  wrote:
>>>
>>> Here you go, no connection to the seller, here is the ad info and
>>> comments:
>>>
>>> Seller: Erhard Rathsack
>>> >>
>>> I haven't ridden this bike in many years and would like to sell it. If
>>> you are interested, let me know and I can tell the bike's history, etc
>>> 56cm seat tube, 32" standover. I bought it around 2005 I think
>>> I am in Reno, if you are near would you like to check it out and ride it?
>>> The Saluki is 56st, 58tt, 32" standover, 650c wheels. The frame has very
>>> little use, less than a year and 1000 miles. The components started off on
>>> my old Bleriot which I purchased at RBW in Walnut Creek. After a few years,
>>> I swapped out the Bleriot frame for the Saluki then shortly after
>>> stopped riding the bike because my cycling commute ended. The bike is
>>> located in Reno, NV. The bike rides all Riv, really comfortable. There's a
>>> lot of Nitto, Sugino, and Silver components. I estimate the year of the
>>> bike to be in the 2005 +/- 3 years. This bike was one of the first modern
>>> era 650b bikes.
>>> I looked at what people are "asking" for Rivs on EBay and that was about
>>> $2500. I'd take less than that but I am not really sure what a fair price
>>> is. I think it would be somewhere between $1500 and $2000. I'd take any
>>> suggestions on what I should ask.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 10:17:28 AM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 I can't access either. Would be nice if someone could share a picture,
 price and location.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Saluki For Sale... Not Mine

[Eric Marth]

Very cool, thanks for scraping the info for us, Max!

On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 2:21:10 PM UTC-4 iamkeith wrote:

> Yeah  no kidding.  That's a screaming deal on a bike that's that sought 
> after and in that condition.  Beautiful color too - not quite like my more 
> common, yellower ones that I used to call butterscotch but - I now realize 
> - aren't.   It's one of the later run ones - without the rear brake hanger 
> bridge but with more tire clearance and the wider (RC-3?) fork cown.  
> Probably still Toyo made, still has my favorite  pointy lugs and the 
> double-tapered seat stays.  Hope someone here grabs it!
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 8:50:54 AM UTC-6 Joel S wrote:
>
>> Thanks Max.  Too bad no color is mentioned, it may have been my original 
>> Saluki if it is green and has centerpulls.  That bike was just too big for 
>> me.  Bike is worth a minimum of 2k if in condition as described, maybe 
>> more. 
>>
>> Sent from Proton Mail for iOS
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 2, 2022 at 10:25 AM, maxcr  wrote:
>>
>> Here you go, no connection to the seller, here is the ad info and 
>> comments:
>>
>> Seller: Erhard Rathsack
>> >>
>> I haven't ridden this bike in many years and would like to sell it. If 
>> you are interested, let me know and I can tell the bike's history, etc
>> 56cm seat tube, 32" standover. I bought it around 2005 I think
>> I am in Reno, if you are near would you like to check it out and ride it?
>> The Saluki is 56st, 58tt, 32" standover, 650c wheels. The frame has very 
>> little use, less than a year and 1000 miles. The components started off on 
>> my old Bleriot which I purchased at RBW in Walnut Creek. After a few years, 
>> I swapped out the Bleriot frame for the Saluki then shortly after 
>> stopped riding the bike because my cycling commute ended. The bike is 
>> located in Reno, NV. The bike rides all Riv, really comfortable. There's a 
>> lot of Nitto, Sugino, and Silver components. I estimate the year of the 
>> bike to be in the 2005 +/- 3 years. This bike was one of the first modern 
>> era 650b bikes.
>> I looked at what people are "asking" for Rivs on EBay and that was about 
>> $2500. I'd take less than that but I am not really sure what a fair price 
>> is. I think it would be somewhere between $1500 and $2000. I'd take any 
>> suggestions on what I should ask.
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 10:17:28 AM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I can't access either. Would be nice if someone could share a picture, 
>>> price and location. 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 9:56:46 AM UTC-4 mike goldman wrote:
>>>
 https://www.facebook.com/groups/19202914712/ 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Saluki For Sale... Not Mine

[iamkeith]

Yeah  no kidding.  That's a screaming deal on a bike that's that sought 
after and in that condition.  Beautiful color too - not quite like my more 
common, yellower ones that I used to call butterscotch but - I now realize 
- aren't.   It's one of the later run ones - without the rear brake hanger 
bridge but with more tire clearance and the wider (RC-3?) fork cown.  
Probably still Toyo made, still has my favorite  pointy lugs and the 
double-tapered seat stays.  Hope someone here grabs it!



On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 8:50:54 AM UTC-6 Joel S wrote:

> Thanks Max.  Too bad no color is mentioned, it may have been my original 
> Saluki if it is green and has centerpulls.  That bike was just too big for 
> me.  Bike is worth a minimum of 2k if in condition as described, maybe 
> more. 
>
> Sent from Proton Mail for iOS
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 2, 2022 at 10:25 AM, maxcr  wrote:
>
> Here you go, no connection to the seller, here is the ad info and comments:
>
> Seller: Erhard Rathsack
> >>
> I haven't ridden this bike in many years and would like to sell it. If you 
> are interested, let me know and I can tell the bike's history, etc
> 56cm seat tube, 32" standover. I bought it around 2005 I think
> I am in Reno, if you are near would you like to check it out and ride it?
> The Saluki is 56st, 58tt, 32" standover, 650c wheels. The frame has very 
> little use, less than a year and 1000 miles. The components started off on 
> my old Bleriot which I purchased at RBW in Walnut Creek. After a few years, 
> I swapped out the Bleriot frame for the Saluki then shortly after stopped 
> riding the bike because my cycling commute ended. The bike is located in 
> Reno, NV. The bike rides all Riv, really comfortable. There's a lot of 
> Nitto, Sugino, and Silver components. I estimate the year of the bike to be 
> in the 2005 +/- 3 years. This bike was one of the first modern era 650b 
> bikes.
> I looked at what people are "asking" for Rivs on EBay and that was about 
> $2500. I'd take less than that but I am not really sure what a fair price 
> is. I think it would be somewhere between $1500 and $2000. I'd take any 
> suggestions on what I should ask.
>
> On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 10:17:28 AM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I can't access either. Would be nice if someone could share a picture, 
>> price and location. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 9:56:46 AM UTC-4 mike goldman wrote:
>>
>>> https://www.facebook.com/groups/19202914712/ 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Saluki For Sale... Not Mine

[Joe Bernard]

It's butterscotch, there's a pic at the bottom, I almost missed it too. 
That's a pretty bike! 

On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 7:50:54 AM UTC-7 Joel S wrote:

> Thanks Max.  Too bad no color is mentioned, it may have been my original 
> Saluki if it is green and has centerpulls.  That bike was just too big for 
> me.  Bike is worth a minimum of 2k if in condition as described, maybe 
> more. 
>
> Sent from Proton Mail for iOS
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 2, 2022 at 10:25 AM, maxcr  wrote:
>
> Here you go, no connection to the seller, here is the ad info and comments:
>
> Seller: Erhard Rathsack
> >>
> I haven't ridden this bike in many years and would like to sell it. If you 
> are interested, let me know and I can tell the bike's history, etc
> 56cm seat tube, 32" standover. I bought it around 2005 I think
> I am in Reno, if you are near would you like to check it out and ride it?
> The Saluki is 56st, 58tt, 32" standover, 650c wheels. The frame has very 
> little use, less than a year and 1000 miles. The components started off on 
> my old Bleriot which I purchased at RBW in Walnut Creek. After a few years, 
> I swapped out the Bleriot frame for the Saluki then shortly after stopped 
> riding the bike because my cycling commute ended. The bike is located in 
> Reno, NV. The bike rides all Riv, really comfortable. There's a lot of 
> Nitto, Sugino, and Silver components. I estimate the year of the bike to be 
> in the 2005 +/- 3 years. This bike was one of the first modern era 650b 
> bikes.
> I looked at what people are "asking" for Rivs on EBay and that was about 
> $2500. I'd take less than that but I am not really sure what a fair price 
> is. I think it would be somewhere between $1500 and $2000. I'd take any 
> suggestions on what I should ask.
>
> On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 10:17:28 AM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I can't access either. Would be nice if someone could share a picture, 
>> price and location. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 9:56:46 AM UTC-4 mike goldman wrote:
>>
>>> https://www.facebook.com/groups/19202914712/ 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Saluki For Sale... Not Mine

['JRStern11' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Thanks Max. Too bad no color is mentioned, it may have been my original Saluki 
if it is green and has centerpulls. That bike was just too big for me. Bike is 
worth a minimum of 2k if in condition as described, maybe more.

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On Tue, Aug 2, 2022 at 10:25 AM, maxcr  wrote:

> Here you go, no connection to the seller, here is the ad info and comments:
>
> Seller: Erhard Rathsack
>>>
> I haven't ridden this bike in many years and would like to sell it. If you 
> are interested, let me know and I can tell the bike's history, etc
> 56cm seat tube, 32" standover. I bought it around 2005 I think
> I am in Reno, if you are near would you like to check it out and ride it?
> The Saluki is 56st, 58tt, 32" standover, 650c wheels. The frame has very 
> little use, less than a year and 1000 miles. The components started off on my 
> old Bleriot which I purchased at RBW in Walnut Creek. After a few years, I 
> swapped out the Bleriot frame for the Saluki then shortly after stopped 
> riding the bike because my cycling commute ended. The bike is located in 
> Reno, NV. The bike rides all Riv, really comfortable. There's a lot of Nitto, 
> Sugino, and Silver components. I estimate the year of the bike to be in the 
> 2005 +/- 3 years. This bike was one of the first modern era 650b bikes.
> I looked at what people are "asking" for Rivs on EBay and that was about 
> $2500. I'd take less than that but I am not really sure what a fair price is. 
> I think it would be somewhere between $1500 and $2000. I'd take any 
> suggestions on what I should ask.
>
> On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 10:17:28 AM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I can't access either. Would be nice if someone could share a picture, price 
>> and location.
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 9:56:46 AM UTC-4 mike goldman wrote:
>>
>>> https://www.facebook.com/groups/19202914712/
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Re: [RBW] Re: Saluki For Sale... Not Mine

[Eric Marth]

I can't access either. Would be nice if someone could share a picture, 
price and location. 

On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 9:56:46 AM UTC-4 mike goldman wrote:

> https://www.facebook.com/groups/19202914712/
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Re: [RBW] Re: Saluki For Sale... Not Mine

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[RBW] Re: Saluki For Sale... Not Mine

['Joel S' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Not on FaceBook so I cannot see.  Can you do a cut and paste?  

On Monday, August 1, 2022 at 6:09:09 PM UTC-4 Karl wrote:

> Sweet 56cm Saluki for sale in the FaceBook Rivendellicious 
>  group. Someone snap this 
> one up!
>
> Karl
> Nash, TN
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Saluki, first ride

['JRStern11' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Jason, thank you. I have a feeling this will move into #1 position.

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On Sun, Mar 20, 2022 at 1:45 PM, Jason Fuller  wrote:

> Excellent to hear it's working out as you'd hoped! Looking forward to more 
> photos and ride reports as spring and summer approach.
>
> On Saturday, 19 March 2022 at 12:44:31 UTC-7 Joel S wrote:
>
>> Thanks Rich. I wasn’t sure if the bags would work when I got the frame but I 
>> like it now. The size is great, it would work for you too.
>>
>> On Saturday, March 19, 2022 at 3:27:18 PM UTC-4 RichS wrote:
>>
>>> Looks good Joel. Congratulations on getting the right sized Saluki the 
>>> second time around. Nice front and rear bag combo too.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Rich in ATL
>>> (Saluki and Suntour fan)
>>> On Saturday, March 19, 2022 at 1:11:23 PM UTC-4 Joel S wrote:
>>>
 Junes, thank you. I love using NOS Suntour stuff whenever possible.

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 On Sat, Mar 19, 2022 at 12:09 PM, J J  wrote:

> Fantastic Saluki. It looks like a perfect build. Congratulations on your 
> first ride.
>
> On Saturday, March 19, 2022 at 10:47:55 AM UTC-4 Joel S wrote:
>
>> Matt, great link and beautiful Saluki. Love the color. I don’t think 
>> that many were made but just a guess as they rarely come up for sale. 
>> Bleriots rarely come up for sale as well. My first Saluki, the 56cm that 
>> was too large was green with sidepulls which I prefer but happy to have 
>> gotten any Saluki. I prefer sidepulls due to hand issues and I find them 
>> easier to open up to remove a ties. This was my first one…. I hope it is 
>> still with the second owner. [6FA629B9-74EE-44D9-84FD-CEDAA7366424.jpeg]
>>
>> On Saturday, March 19, 2022 at 9:52:26 AM UTC-4 Matt Beecher wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Joel,
>>>
>>> I've had similar requests to keep others in mind if I sell mine, but I 
>>> cannot imagine letting it go.
>>>
>>> https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/VlLOB0qumr0
>>>
>>> I'm a bit curious how many were made, but always assumed they rarely go 
>>> up for sale because they are spectacular bikes.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Matt in Oswego, IL
>>> On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 4:26:34 PM UTC-5 Joel S wrote:
>>>
 Thanks Matt. I had mentioned to Johnny that if he was ever going to 
 sell it I wanted it. He remembered and was so overly fair.

 Joel

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 wrote:

> That's a nice bike and build. The Saluki is one of my favorite bikes, 
> if not the favorite. Congrats on the acquisition.
>
> Best regards,
> Matt in Oswego, IL
> On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 2:25:31 PM UTC-5 Joel S wrote:
>
>> [94A4BDD3-7098-4E68-A063-89DFAD04AC39.jpeg]Today the weather was 
>> perfect, I had to stop to take off my windbreaker and I probably 
>> could have worn shorts. So the bike is very smooth, I don’t remember 
>> how my too big 56cm rode anymore but this 54 is pretty much perfect. 
>> Outfitted with everything from my 55cm Bleriot except the brakes. I 
>> was quite surprised by the ride as if memory serves it felt 
>> different than the Bleriot. Very stable (more surefooted than the 
>> Bleriot), no surprises in handling. The one difference is that when 
>> I put the seat on this (which was always attached to the seatpost 
>> from the Bleriot the setback is a bit more). I always ride with my 
>> seat set levels as this just works for me.I really have no idea why 
>> it felt so good but it had me questioning the Hillborne which always 
>> felt more sure footed than the Bleriot, but I will ride that after 
>> awhile on this one and see. After riding the Hillborne on rollers 
>> all winter the muscles that were not used are letting themselves be 
>> known. I am very pleased that I bought this frame, just lovely in 
>> every way.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Saluki, first ride

[Jason Fuller]

Excellent to hear it's working out as you'd hoped!  Looking forward to more 
photos and ride reports as spring and summer approach. 

On Saturday, 19 March 2022 at 12:44:31 UTC-7 Joel S wrote:

> Thanks Rich.  I wasn’t sure if the bags would work when I got the frame 
> but I like it now. The size is great, it would work for you too.  
>
> On Saturday, March 19, 2022 at 3:27:18 PM UTC-4 RichS wrote:
>
>> Looks good Joel. Congratulations on getting the right sized Saluki the 
>> second time around. Nice front and rear bag combo too.
>>
>> Best,
>> Rich in ATL 
>> (Saluki and Suntour fan)
>>
>> On Saturday, March 19, 2022 at 1:11:23 PM UTC-4 Joel S wrote:
>>
>>> Junes, thank you. I love using NOS Suntour stuff whenever possible. 
>>>
>>> Sent from ProtonMail for iOS
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Mar 19, 2022 at 12:09 PM, J J  wrote:
>>>
>>> Fantastic Saluki. It looks like a perfect build. Congratulations on your 
>>> first ride. 
>>>
>>> On Saturday, March 19, 2022 at 10:47:55 AM UTC-4 Joel S wrote:
>>>
 Matt, great link and beautiful Saluki. Love the color. I don’t think 
 that many were made but just a guess as they rarely come up for sale. 
 Bleriots rarely come up for sale as well. My first Saluki, the 56cm that 
 was too large was green with sidepulls which I prefer but happy to have 
 gotten any Saluki. I prefer sidepulls due to hand issues and I find them 
 easier to open up to remove a ties. This was my first one…. I hope it is 
 still with the second owner. [image: 
 6FA629B9-74EE-44D9-84FD-CEDAA7366424.jpeg]

 On Saturday, March 19, 2022 at 9:52:26 AM UTC-4 Matt Beecher wrote:

> Hi Joel,
>
> I've had similar requests to keep others in mind if I sell mine, but I 
> cannot imagine letting it go. 
>
> https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/VlLOB0qumr0
>
> I'm a bit curious how many were made, but always assumed they rarely 
> go up for sale because they are spectacular bikes. 
>
> Best regards,
> Matt in Oswego, IL
>
> On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 4:26:34 PM UTC-5 Joel S wrote:
>
>> Thanks Matt. I had mentioned to Johnny that if he was ever going to 
>> sell it I wanted it. He remembered and was so overly fair. 
>>
>> Joel
>>
>> Sent from ProtonMail for iOS
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 18, 2022 at 4:21 PM, Matt Beecher  
>> wrote:
>>
>> That's a nice bike and build. The Saluki is one of my favorite bikes, 
>> if not *the* favorite. Congrats on the acquisition.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Matt in Oswego, IL
>> On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 2:25:31 PM UTC-5 Joel S wrote:
>>
>>> [image: 94A4BDD3-7098-4E68-A063-89DFAD04AC39.jpeg]Today the weather 
>>> was perfect, I had to stop to take off my windbreaker and I probably 
>>> could 
>>> have worn shorts. So the bike is very smooth, I don’t remember how my 
>>> too 
>>> big 56cm rode anymore but this 54 is pretty much perfect. Outfitted 
>>> with 
>>> everything from my 55cm Bleriot except the brakes. I was quite 
>>> surprised by 
>>> the ride as if memory serves it felt different than the Bleriot. Very 
>>> stable (more surefooted than the Bleriot), no surprises in handling. 
>>> The 
>>> one difference is that when I put the seat on this (which was always 
>>> attached to the seatpost from the Bleriot the setback is a bit more). I 
>>> always ride with my seat set levels as this just works for me.I really 
>>> have 
>>> no idea why it felt so good but it had me questioning the Hillborne 
>>> which 
>>> always felt more sure footed than the Bleriot, but I will ride that 
>>> after 
>>> awhile on this one and see. After riding the Hillborne on rollers all 
>>> winter the muscles that were not used are letting themselves be known. 
>>> I am 
>>> very pleased that I bought this frame, just lovely in every way. 
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Saluki, first ride

['Joel S' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Thanks Rich.  I wasn’t sure if the bags would work when I got the frame but 
I like it now. The size is great, it would work for you too.  

On Saturday, March 19, 2022 at 3:27:18 PM UTC-4 RichS wrote:

> Looks good Joel. Congratulations on getting the right sized Saluki the 
> second time around. Nice front and rear bag combo too.
>
> Best,
> Rich in ATL 
> (Saluki and Suntour fan)
>
> On Saturday, March 19, 2022 at 1:11:23 PM UTC-4 Joel S wrote:
>
>> Junes, thank you. I love using NOS Suntour stuff whenever possible. 
>>
>> Sent from ProtonMail for iOS
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 19, 2022 at 12:09 PM, J J  wrote:
>>
>> Fantastic Saluki. It looks like a perfect build. Congratulations on your 
>> first ride. 
>>
>> On Saturday, March 19, 2022 at 10:47:55 AM UTC-4 Joel S wrote:
>>
>>> Matt, great link and beautiful Saluki. Love the color. I don’t think 
>>> that many were made but just a guess as they rarely come up for sale. 
>>> Bleriots rarely come up for sale as well. My first Saluki, the 56cm that 
>>> was too large was green with sidepulls which I prefer but happy to have 
>>> gotten any Saluki. I prefer sidepulls due to hand issues and I find them 
>>> easier to open up to remove a ties. This was my first one…. I hope it is 
>>> still with the second owner. [image: 
>>> 6FA629B9-74EE-44D9-84FD-CEDAA7366424.jpeg]
>>>
>>> On Saturday, March 19, 2022 at 9:52:26 AM UTC-4 Matt Beecher wrote:
>>>
 Hi Joel,

 I've had similar requests to keep others in mind if I sell mine, but I 
 cannot imagine letting it go. 

 https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/VlLOB0qumr0

 I'm a bit curious how many were made, but always assumed they rarely go 
 up for sale because they are spectacular bikes. 

 Best regards,
 Matt in Oswego, IL

 On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 4:26:34 PM UTC-5 Joel S wrote:

> Thanks Matt. I had mentioned to Johnny that if he was ever going to 
> sell it I wanted it. He remembered and was so overly fair. 
>
> Joel
>
> Sent from ProtonMail for iOS
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 18, 2022 at 4:21 PM, Matt Beecher  
> wrote:
>
> That's a nice bike and build. The Saluki is one of my favorite bikes, 
> if not *the* favorite. Congrats on the acquisition.
>
> Best regards,
> Matt in Oswego, IL
> On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 2:25:31 PM UTC-5 Joel S wrote:
>
>> [image: 94A4BDD3-7098-4E68-A063-89DFAD04AC39.jpeg]Today the weather 
>> was perfect, I had to stop to take off my windbreaker and I probably 
>> could 
>> have worn shorts. So the bike is very smooth, I don’t remember how my 
>> too 
>> big 56cm rode anymore but this 54 is pretty much perfect. Outfitted with 
>> everything from my 55cm Bleriot except the brakes. I was quite surprised 
>> by 
>> the ride as if memory serves it felt different than the Bleriot. Very 
>> stable (more surefooted than the Bleriot), no surprises in handling. The 
>> one difference is that when I put the seat on this (which was always 
>> attached to the seatpost from the Bleriot the setback is a bit more). I 
>> always ride with my seat set levels as this just works for me.I really 
>> have 
>> no idea why it felt so good but it had me questioning the Hillborne 
>> which 
>> always felt more sure footed than the Bleriot, but I will ride that 
>> after 
>> awhile on this one and see. After riding the Hillborne on rollers all 
>> winter the muscles that were not used are letting themselves be known. I 
>> am 
>> very pleased that I bought this frame, just lovely in every way. 
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Saluki, first ride

[RichS]

Looks good Joel. Congratulations on getting the right sized Saluki the 
second time around. Nice front and rear bag combo too.

Best,
Rich in ATL 
(Saluki and Suntour fan)

On Saturday, March 19, 2022 at 1:11:23 PM UTC-4 Joel S wrote:

> Junes, thank you. I love using NOS Suntour stuff whenever possible. 
>
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> On Sat, Mar 19, 2022 at 12:09 PM, J J  wrote:
>
> Fantastic Saluki. It looks like a perfect build. Congratulations on your 
> first ride. 
>
> On Saturday, March 19, 2022 at 10:47:55 AM UTC-4 Joel S wrote:
>
>> Matt, great link and beautiful Saluki. Love the color. I don’t think that 
>> many were made but just a guess as they rarely come up for sale. Bleriots 
>> rarely come up for sale as well. My first Saluki, the 56cm that was too 
>> large was green with sidepulls which I prefer but happy to have gotten any 
>> Saluki. I prefer sidepulls due to hand issues and I find them easier to 
>> open up to remove a ties. This was my first one…. I hope it is still with 
>> the second owner. [image: 6FA629B9-74EE-44D9-84FD-CEDAA7366424.jpeg]
>>
>> On Saturday, March 19, 2022 at 9:52:26 AM UTC-4 Matt Beecher wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Joel,
>>>
>>> I've had similar requests to keep others in mind if I sell mine, but I 
>>> cannot imagine letting it go. 
>>>
>>> https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/VlLOB0qumr0
>>>
>>> I'm a bit curious how many were made, but always assumed they rarely go 
>>> up for sale because they are spectacular bikes. 
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Matt in Oswego, IL
>>>
>>> On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 4:26:34 PM UTC-5 Joel S wrote:
>>>
 Thanks Matt. I had mentioned to Johnny that if he was ever going to 
 sell it I wanted it. He remembered and was so overly fair. 

 Joel

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 wrote:

 That's a nice bike and build. The Saluki is one of my favorite bikes, 
 if not *the* favorite. Congrats on the acquisition.

 Best regards,
 Matt in Oswego, IL
 On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 2:25:31 PM UTC-5 Joel S wrote:

> [image: 94A4BDD3-7098-4E68-A063-89DFAD04AC39.jpeg]Today the weather 
> was perfect, I had to stop to take off my windbreaker and I probably 
> could 
> have worn shorts. So the bike is very smooth, I don’t remember how my too 
> big 56cm rode anymore but this 54 is pretty much perfect. Outfitted with 
> everything from my 55cm Bleriot except the brakes. I was quite surprised 
> by 
> the ride as if memory serves it felt different than the Bleriot. Very 
> stable (more surefooted than the Bleriot), no surprises in handling. The 
> one difference is that when I put the seat on this (which was always 
> attached to the seatpost from the Bleriot the setback is a bit more). I 
> always ride with my seat set levels as this just works for me.I really 
> have 
> no idea why it felt so good but it had me questioning the Hillborne which 
> always felt more sure footed than the Bleriot, but I will ride that after 
> awhile on this one and see. After riding the Hillborne on rollers all 
> winter the muscles that were not used are letting themselves be known. I 
> am 
> very pleased that I bought this frame, just lovely in every way. 
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Saluki, first ride

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Junes, thank you. I love using NOS Suntour stuff whenever possible.

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On Sat, Mar 19, 2022 at 12:09 PM, J J  wrote:

> Fantastic Saluki. It looks like a perfect build. Congratulations on your 
> first ride.
>
> On Saturday, March 19, 2022 at 10:47:55 AM UTC-4 Joel S wrote:
>
>> Matt, great link and beautiful Saluki. Love the color. I don’t think that 
>> many were made but just a guess as they rarely come up for sale. Bleriots 
>> rarely come up for sale as well. My first Saluki, the 56cm that was too 
>> large was green with sidepulls which I prefer but happy to have gotten any 
>> Saluki. I prefer sidepulls due to hand issues and I find them easier to open 
>> up to remove a ties. This was my first one…. I hope it is still with the 
>> second owner. [6FA629B9-74EE-44D9-84FD-CEDAA7366424.jpeg]
>>
>> On Saturday, March 19, 2022 at 9:52:26 AM UTC-4 Matt Beecher wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Joel,
>>>
>>> I've had similar requests to keep others in mind if I sell mine, but I 
>>> cannot imagine letting it go.
>>>
>>> https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/VlLOB0qumr0
>>>
>>> I'm a bit curious how many were made, but always assumed they rarely go up 
>>> for sale because they are spectacular bikes.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Matt in Oswego, IL
>>> On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 4:26:34 PM UTC-5 Joel S wrote:
>>>
 Thanks Matt. I had mentioned to Johnny that if he was ever going to sell 
 it I wanted it. He remembered and was so overly fair.

 Joel

 Sent from ProtonMail for iOS

 On Fri, Mar 18, 2022 at 4:21 PM, Matt Beecher  wrote:

> That's a nice bike and build. The Saluki is one of my favorite bikes, if 
> not the favorite. Congrats on the acquisition.
>
> Best regards,
> Matt in Oswego, IL
> On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 2:25:31 PM UTC-5 Joel S wrote:
>
>> [94A4BDD3-7098-4E68-A063-89DFAD04AC39.jpeg]Today the weather was 
>> perfect, I had to stop to take off my windbreaker and I probably could 
>> have worn shorts. So the bike is very smooth, I don’t remember how my 
>> too big 56cm rode anymore but this 54 is pretty much perfect. Outfitted 
>> with everything from my 55cm Bleriot except the brakes. I was quite 
>> surprised by the ride as if memory serves it felt different than the 
>> Bleriot. Very stable (more surefooted than the Bleriot), no surprises in 
>> handling. The one difference is that when I put the seat on this (which 
>> was always attached to the seatpost from the Bleriot the setback is a 
>> bit more). I always ride with my seat set levels as this just works for 
>> me.I really have no idea why it felt so good but it had me questioning 
>> the Hillborne which always felt more sure footed than the Bleriot, but I 
>> will ride that after awhile on this one and see. After riding the 
>> Hillborne on rollers all winter the muscles that were not used are 
>> letting themselves be known. I am very pleased that I bought this frame, 
>> just lovely in every way.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Saluki, first ride

[J J]

Fantastic Saluki. It looks like a perfect build. Congratulations on your 
first ride. 

On Saturday, March 19, 2022 at 10:47:55 AM UTC-4 Joel S wrote:

> Matt, great link and beautiful Saluki.  Love the color.  I don’t think 
> that many were made but just a guess as they rarely come up for sale. 
>  Bleriots rarely come up for sale as well.  My first Saluki, the 56cm that 
> was too large was green with sidepulls which I prefer but happy to have 
> gotten any Saluki.  I prefer sidepulls due to hand issues and I find them 
> easier to open up to remove a ties.  This was my first one…. I hope it is 
> still with the second owner.  [image: 
> 6FA629B9-74EE-44D9-84FD-CEDAA7366424.jpeg]
>
> On Saturday, March 19, 2022 at 9:52:26 AM UTC-4 Matt Beecher wrote:
>
>> Hi Joel,
>>
>> I've had similar requests to keep others in mind if I sell mine, but I 
>> cannot imagine letting it go.  
>>
>> https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/VlLOB0qumr0
>>
>> I'm a bit curious how many were made, but always assumed they rarely go 
>> up for sale because they are spectacular bikes.  
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Matt in Oswego, IL
>>
>> On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 4:26:34 PM UTC-5 Joel S wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Matt.  I had mentioned to Johnny that if he was ever going to 
>>> sell it I wanted it.  He remembered and was so overly fair.  
>>>
>>> Joel
>>>
>>> Sent from ProtonMail for iOS
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 18, 2022 at 4:21 PM, Matt Beecher  wrote:
>>>
>>> That's a nice bike and build. The Saluki is one of my favorite bikes, if 
>>> not *the* favorite.  Congrats on the acquisition.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Matt in Oswego, IL
>>> On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 2:25:31 PM UTC-5 Joel S wrote:
>>>
 [image: 94A4BDD3-7098-4E68-A063-89DFAD04AC39.jpeg]Today the weather 
 was perfect, I had to stop to take off my windbreaker and I probably could 
 have worn shorts. So the bike is very smooth, I don’t remember how my too 
 big 56cm rode anymore but this 54 is pretty much perfect. Outfitted with 
 everything from my 55cm Bleriot except the brakes. I was quite surprised 
 by 
 the ride as if memory serves it felt different than the Bleriot. Very 
 stable (more surefooted than the Bleriot), no surprises in handling. The 
 one difference is that when I put the seat on this (which was always 
 attached to the seatpost from the Bleriot the setback is a bit more). I 
 always ride with my seat set levels as this just works for me.I really 
 have 
 no idea why it felt so good but it had me questioning the Hillborne which 
 always felt more sure footed than the Bleriot, but I will ride that after 
 awhile on this one and see. After riding the Hillborne on rollers all 
 winter the muscles that were not used are letting themselves be known. I 
 am 
 very pleased that I bought this frame, just lovely in every way. 


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Re: [RBW] Re: Saluki, first ride

[Matt Beecher]

Hi Joel,

I've had similar requests to keep others in mind if I sell mine, but I 
cannot imagine letting it go.  

https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/VlLOB0qumr0

I'm a bit curious how many were made, but always assumed they rarely go up 
for sale because they are spectacular bikes.  

Best regards,
Matt in Oswego, IL

On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 4:26:34 PM UTC-5 Joel S wrote:

> Thanks Matt.  I had mentioned to Johnny that if he was ever going to sell 
> it I wanted it.  He remembered and was so overly fair.  
>
> Joel
>
> Sent from ProtonMail for iOS
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> On Fri, Mar 18, 2022 at 4:21 PM, Matt Beecher  wrote:
>
> That's a nice bike and build. The Saluki is one of my favorite bikes, if 
> not *the* favorite.  Congrats on the acquisition.
>
> Best regards,
> Matt in Oswego, IL
> On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 2:25:31 PM UTC-5 Joel S wrote:
>
>> [image: 94A4BDD3-7098-4E68-A063-89DFAD04AC39.jpeg]Today the weather was 
>> perfect, I had to stop to take off my windbreaker and I probably could have 
>> worn shorts. So the bike is very smooth, I don’t remember how my too big 
>> 56cm rode anymore but this 54 is pretty much perfect. Outfitted with 
>> everything from my 55cm Bleriot except the brakes. I was quite surprised by 
>> the ride as if memory serves it felt different than the Bleriot. Very 
>> stable (more surefooted than the Bleriot), no surprises in handling. The 
>> one difference is that when I put the seat on this (which was always 
>> attached to the seatpost from the Bleriot the setback is a bit more). I 
>> always ride with my seat set levels as this just works for me.I really have 
>> no idea why it felt so good but it had me questioning the Hillborne which 
>> always felt more sure footed than the Bleriot, but I will ride that after 
>> awhile on this one and see. After riding the Hillborne on rollers all 
>> winter the muscles that were not used are letting themselves be known. I am 
>> very pleased that I bought this frame, just lovely in every way. 
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Saluki, first ride

['JRStern11' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Thanks Matt. I had mentioned to Johnny that if he was ever going to sell it I 
wanted it. He remembered and was so overly fair.

Joel

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On Fri, Mar 18, 2022 at 4:21 PM, Matt Beecher  wrote:

> That's a nice bike and build. The Saluki is one of my favorite bikes, if not 
> the favorite. Congrats on the acquisition.
>
> Best regards,
> Matt in Oswego, IL
> On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 2:25:31 PM UTC-5 Joel S wrote:
>
>> [94A4BDD3-7098-4E68-A063-89DFAD04AC39.jpeg]Today the weather was perfect, I 
>> had to stop to take off my windbreaker and I probably could have worn 
>> shorts. So the bike is very smooth, I don’t remember how my too big 56cm 
>> rode anymore but this 54 is pretty much perfect. Outfitted with everything 
>> from my 55cm Bleriot except the brakes. I was quite surprised by the ride as 
>> if memory serves it felt different than the Bleriot. Very stable (more 
>> surefooted than the Bleriot), no surprises in handling. The one difference 
>> is that when I put the seat on this (which was always attached to the 
>> seatpost from the Bleriot the setback is a bit more). I always ride with my 
>> seat set levels as this just works for me.I really have no idea why it felt 
>> so good but it had me questioning the Hillborne which always felt more sure 
>> footed than the Bleriot, but I will ride that after awhile on this one and 
>> see. After riding the Hillborne on rollers all winter the muscles that were 
>> not used are letting themselves be known. I am very pleased that I bought 
>> this frame, just lovely in every way.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Saluki, first ride

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Thanks John.

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On Fri, Mar 18, 2022 at 5:02 PM, John Bokman  wrote:

> Sweet looking ride you got there. Congratulations.
>
> On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 12:25:31 PM UTC-7 Joel S wrote:
>
>> [94A4BDD3-7098-4E68-A063-89DFAD04AC39.jpeg]Today the weather was perfect, I 
>> had to stop to take off my windbreaker and I probably could have worn 
>> shorts. So the bike is very smooth, I don’t remember how my too big 56cm 
>> rode anymore but this 54 is pretty much perfect. Outfitted with everything 
>> from my 55cm Bleriot except the brakes. I was quite surprised by the ride as 
>> if memory serves it felt different than the Bleriot. Very stable (more 
>> surefooted than the Bleriot), no surprises in handling. The one difference 
>> is that when I put the seat on this (which was always attached to the 
>> seatpost from the Bleriot the setback is a bit more). I always ride with my 
>> seat set levels as this just works for me.I really have no idea why it felt 
>> so good but it had me questioning the Hillborne which always felt more sure 
>> footed than the Bleriot, but I will ride that after awhile on this one and 
>> see. After riding the Hillborne on rollers all winter the muscles that were 
>> not used are letting themselves be known. I am very pleased that I bought 
>> this frame, just lovely in every way.
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[RBW] Re: Saluki, first ride

[John Bokman]

Sweet looking ride you got there. Congratulations.

On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 12:25:31 PM UTC-7 Joel S wrote:

> [image: 94A4BDD3-7098-4E68-A063-89DFAD04AC39.jpeg]Today the weather was 
> perfect, I had to stop to take off my windbreaker and I probably could have 
> worn shorts.  So the bike is very smooth, I don’t remember how my too big 
> 56cm rode anymore but this 54 is pretty much perfect.  Outfitted with 
> everything from my 55cm Bleriot except the brakes.  I was quite surprised 
> by the ride as if memory serves it felt different than the Bleriot.  Very 
> stable (more surefooted than the Bleriot), no surprises in handling.  The 
> one difference is that when I put the seat on this (which was always 
> attached to the seatpost from the Bleriot the setback is a bit more).  I 
> always ride with my seat set levels as this just works for me.I really have 
> no idea why it felt so good but it had me questioning the Hillborne which 
> always felt more sure footed than the Bleriot, but I will ride that after 
> awhile on this one and see. After riding the Hillborne on rollers all 
> winter the muscles that were not used are letting themselves be known.  I 
> am very pleased that I bought this frame, just lovely in every way. 
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Saluki, first ride

[Matt Beecher]

That's a nice bike and build. The Saluki is one of my favorite bikes, if 
not *the* favorite.  Congrats on the acquisition.

Best regards,
Matt in Oswego, IL
On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 2:25:31 PM UTC-5 Joel S wrote:

> [image: 94A4BDD3-7098-4E68-A063-89DFAD04AC39.jpeg]Today the weather was 
> perfect, I had to stop to take off my windbreaker and I probably could have 
> worn shorts.  So the bike is very smooth, I don’t remember how my too big 
> 56cm rode anymore but this 54 is pretty much perfect.  Outfitted with 
> everything from my 55cm Bleriot except the brakes.  I was quite surprised 
> by the ride as if memory serves it felt different than the Bleriot.  Very 
> stable (more surefooted than the Bleriot), no surprises in handling.  The 
> one difference is that when I put the seat on this (which was always 
> attached to the seatpost from the Bleriot the setback is a bit more).  I 
> always ride with my seat set levels as this just works for me.I really have 
> no idea why it felt so good but it had me questioning the Hillborne which 
> always felt more sure footed than the Bleriot, but I will ride that after 
> awhile on this one and see. After riding the Hillborne on rollers all 
> winter the muscles that were not used are letting themselves be known.  I 
> am very pleased that I bought this frame, just lovely in every way. 
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Saluki Re-Tired

['Eamon Nordquist' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I don't know about Kojaks, but Paselas are available in 650b x 42mm. I don't 
think there is a 38mm version, but I could be wrong.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Saluki Re-Tired

[lum gim fong]

Ive heard good things about paselas and kojacs.
Are they both made in 650b x 38-42mm?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Saluki Re-Tired

[Patrick Moore]

FWIW, if you want inexpensive tire, IME Kojaks are better-- rolling; well,
lets say Kojaks roll fully as well; certainly better in flat resistance and
longevity -- than Paselas.

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> Agreed. Non-belted Paselas are still pretty good tires, and while I'd love
> some fancy pants expensive tires, my 700c x 28mm wire bead Pasela cost me a
> whopping $23 each. At least for my minimal weight (140lbs), I find the
> standard Paselas in 28-32mm ride as well as the 35mm ones with the "PT"
> protection.
>
> Eamon
>
> On Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 3:36:40 PM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On 10/03/2017 05:31 PM, lum gim fong wrote:
>> > I could see someone weeping about the price of Compass tires.
>> >
>> >
>>
>> Well, if they don't fit the budget there are some decent choices at more
>> affordable prices.  I just bought a pair of 700x32C wire bead Paselas
>> for $50 to use on my '63 Jack Taylor this winter.  I'd say they're
>> easily 80% of the performance of a Stampede Pass std casing for less
>> than half the price, and still probably better than any tire that was
>> available for that bike in 27 x 1 1/4" when it was new.
>>
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>> USA
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Re: [RBW] Re: Saluki Re-Tired

['Eamon Nordquist' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Agreed. Non-belted Paselas are still pretty good tires, and while I'd love 
some fancy pants expensive tires, my 700c x 28mm wire bead Pasela cost me a 
whopping $23 each. At least for my minimal weight (140lbs), I find the 
standard Paselas in 28-32mm ride as well as the 35mm ones with the "PT" 
protection. 

Eamon

On Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 3:36:40 PM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
>
>
> On 10/03/2017 05:31 PM, lum gim fong wrote: 
> > I could see someone weeping about the price of Compass tires. 
> > 
> > 
>
> Well, if they don't fit the budget there are some decent choices at more 
> affordable prices.  I just bought a pair of 700x32C wire bead Paselas 
> for $50 to use on my '63 Jack Taylor this winter.  I'd say they're 
> easily 80% of the performance of a Stampede Pass std casing for less 
> than half the price, and still probably better than any tire that was 
> available for that bike in 27 x 1 1/4" when it was new. 
>
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> USA 
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Saluki Re-Tired

[Steve Palincsar]

On 10/03/2017 05:31 PM, lum gim fong wrote:

I could see someone weeping about the price of Compass tires.




Well, if they don't fit the budget there are some decent choices at more 
affordable prices.  I just bought a pair of 700x32C wire bead Paselas 
for $50 to use on my '63 Jack Taylor this winter.  I'd say they're 
easily 80% of the performance of a Stampede Pass std casing for less 
than half the price, and still probably better than any tire that was 
available for that bike in 27 x 1 1/4" when it was new.


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[RBW] Re: Saluki Re-Tired

[lum gim fong]

I could see someone weeping about the price of Compass tires.

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[RBW] Re: Saluki Re-Tired

[Philip Kim]

lol you got me...i thought for a second you were sending the saluki off...

glad to here there is no weeping, as i've had the compass RTPs weep a lot 
especially on the EL casing. would be curious to see if compass did indeed 
change the casing slightly.

On Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 11:45:21 AM UTC-4, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>
> Perhaps the better word choice would be 'renewed'... if you are tired of 
> gushing about Compass tires just skip this post.  My Saluki hasn't gotten 
> all that much love since my acquisition of the Jones Plus in February and 
> particularly while I was experimenting with the 29x2.35 Schwable 'Big One' 
> slicks on that frame (also an awesome experience).  That coupled with a 
> rash of flats on two different sets of Parimoto 38mm tires on the Saluki 
> over the summer and the long days making dyno lighting less of a must have 
> kept the bike in the garage quite a bit.  The parimoto flats are not really 
> an indictment of those tires but rather a reflection that the Mount Vernon 
> Trail in vicinity of Reagan Nat'l Airport has had a ton of broken glass on 
> the trails this year and it's just very hard on any tire.  I'm at risk with 
> the Compass tires as well there but as I'll get into, at least I'm not 
> going to be slapping $7-10 tube replacements in on a weekly basis.
>
> While I wasn't in any hurry to get rid of the Saluki I wasn't finding a 
> lot of excuses to ride it and mostly when I would I was nervous about my 
> next flat and the delay that would incur.  Any mechanical doubts about a 
> bike or car really detract from the use to me.  As luck would have it 
> Chirs(Pondero) and I had been going back and forth about his acquiring my 
> Bstone MB-5 as a DC town bike for when he is visiting his family here at 
> the same time that Compass announced that their Babyshoe Pass EL's were now 
> available in tubeless.  It just so happened that the MB-5 sale would 
> completely cover a new set of compass tires, a set of tire wipers and 
> another years BQ subscription... or at least close enough! :)
>
> The new BSP EL's locked up pretty easily on my Velocity A23 rims and upon 
> initial inflation to about 60psi to seat the beads measured a little over 
> 40mm.  I'm trying to run them around 25-30psi front and 40-50psi back right 
> now... I give the ranges because I've been plagued with different readings 
> from pretty much every gauge I own, a digital one, my floor pump and the 
> gauge on my compressor all read sometimes wildly different. I have the most 
> run time with the floor pump so I'm trying to trust that one.  the tires 
> have grown a bit in the 2 weeks they've been on the bike just from my 
> looking at the fender clearance but I haven't measured them.  Ride quality 
> is superb, not hugely different than how I remember the Hetre's or SBH's 
> actually and I'm not sure how much the tubeless really matters to the 
> feel.  My main motivation on the tubeless is that I'll have fewer flats and 
> at least not have to mess with tubes so often.  The biggest thing that has 
> struck me in my rides over the weekend and this week is how quiet they are 
> on the pavement.  Monday morning in the pre-dawn darkness all I could hear 
> on the bike was the cassette lightly clicking as I flew around Gravelly 
> Point... a really great feeling.
>
> Time will tell on the durability, obviously any of these light supple 
> tires compromise on protection from road debris but at least for now I'll 
> continue to risk it.  The result so far is I have ridden the Saluki at 
> every opportunity since the BSP's were mounted.  Couple pictures from 
> yesterday morning's solo coffee outside including a shot of my B Cyo 
> Premium headlight in case anyone was curious about that.  Short thoughts on 
> the B are it's a great wide light field, not the absolute brightest but 
> very good when it's really dark and definitely more than adequate for being 
> seen.
>
>
>
> 
>  
>
>
> 
>
> 
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Saluki Re-Tired

[Tony DeFilippo]

Thanks Chris and Erl!

Hey Steve, yeah I have a number of now empty patch kits to attest to my 
poor skill in patching.  Of all the things to struggle with...  my success 
rate is extremely poor.  especially with glass punctures it should be 
pretty easy.  I've read that the Rema Tip Top stuff is pretty good but 
haven't tried it.  

Tony

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Re: [RBW] Re: Saluki Re-Tired

[Steve Palincsar]

On 10/03/2017 12:48 PM, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
The parimoto flats are not really an indictment of those tires but 
rather a reflection that the Mount Vernon Trail in vicinity of Reagan 
Nat'l Airport has had a ton of broken glass on the trails this year 
and it's just very hard on any tire.  I'm at risk with the Compass 
tires as well there but as I'll get into, at least I'm not going to be 
slapping $7-10 tube replacements in on a weekly basis.


You replace a tube with a new tube when you get a glass puncture?  I 
patch mine.


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[RBW] Re: Saluki Re-Tired

[Pondero]

Reading your story, and looking at the photos, I can't imagine why I didn't 
beg for a test ride (even if I am too small for it) when I was right there 
at that very spot with you.  Too much catching up, I suppose.  Maybe on my 
next trip...  Regardless, it is great to see you gush about the lovely 
Saluki.

Chris Johnson
Sanger, Texas

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Re: [RBW] Re: Saluki Re-Tired

[Tony DeFilippo]

Thanks Bill - the frame and fenders were powdercoated at the same time.  No
regrets there whatsoever, I love the matched fenders.

Thanks Kieran - yes those are the Paul Stoplights, took me a bit of
fiddling last time I changed handlebars to get them where I wanted but I
love the look and the power/modulation is pretty good right now.  No
weeping at all from the EL sidewall's, these are the new TL versions
though.  When I went tubeless on the non TL SBH EL's the sidewalls 'wept'
orange seal pretty impressively so there is a definite change to the casing.

On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 12:20 PM, Kieran J  wrote:

> Cool bike!
> Are those vintage Paul Stoplights you are running there?
> Any issues with weeping on the EL sidewalls?
>
> KJ
>
>
> On Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 11:45:21 AM UTC-4, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>>
>> Perhaps the better word choice would be 'renewed'... if you are tired of
>> gushing about Compass tires just skip this post.  My Saluki hasn't gotten
>> all that much love since my acquisition of the Jones Plus in February and
>> particularly while I was experimenting with the 29x2.35 Schwable 'Big One'
>> slicks on that frame (also an awesome experience).  That coupled with a
>> rash of flats on two different sets of Parimoto 38mm tires on the Saluki
>> over the summer and the long days making dyno lighting less of a must have
>> kept the bike in the garage quite a bit.  The parimoto flats are not really
>> an indictment of those tires but rather a reflection that the Mount Vernon
>> Trail in vicinity of Reagan Nat'l Airport has had a ton of broken glass on
>> the trails this year and it's just very hard on any tire.  I'm at risk with
>> the Compass tires as well there but as I'll get into, at least I'm not
>> going to be slapping $7-10 tube replacements in on a weekly basis.
>>
>> While I wasn't in any hurry to get rid of the Saluki I wasn't finding a
>> lot of excuses to ride it and mostly when I would I was nervous about my
>> next flat and the delay that would incur.  Any mechanical doubts about a
>> bike or car really detract from the use to me.  As luck would have it
>> Chirs(Pondero) and I had been going back and forth about his acquiring my
>> Bstone MB-5 as a DC town bike for when he is visiting his family here at
>> the same time that Compass announced that their Babyshoe Pass EL's were now
>> available in tubeless.  It just so happened that the MB-5 sale would
>> completely cover a new set of compass tires, a set of tire wipers and
>> another years BQ subscription... or at least close enough! :)
>>
>> The new BSP EL's locked up pretty easily on my Velocity A23 rims and upon
>> initial inflation to about 60psi to seat the beads measured a little over
>> 40mm.  I'm trying to run them around 25-30psi front and 40-50psi back right
>> now... I give the ranges because I've been plagued with different readings
>> from pretty much every gauge I own, a digital one, my floor pump and the
>> gauge on my compressor all read sometimes wildly different. I have the most
>> run time with the floor pump so I'm trying to trust that one.  the tires
>> have grown a bit in the 2 weeks they've been on the bike just from my
>> looking at the fender clearance but I haven't measured them.  Ride quality
>> is superb, not hugely different than how I remember the Hetre's or SBH's
>> actually and I'm not sure how much the tubeless really matters to the
>> feel.  My main motivation on the tubeless is that I'll have fewer flats and
>> at least not have to mess with tubes so often.  The biggest thing that has
>> struck me in my rides over the weekend and this week is how quiet they are
>> on the pavement.  Monday morning in the pre-dawn darkness all I could hear
>> on the bike was the cassette lightly clicking as I flew around Gravelly
>> Point... a really great feeling.
>>
>> Time will tell on the durability, obviously any of these light supple
>> tires compromise on protection from road debris but at least for now I'll
>> continue to risk it.  The result so far is I have ridden the Saluki at
>> every opportunity since the BSP's were mounted.  Couple pictures from
>> yesterday morning's solo coffee outside including a shot of my B Cyo
>> Premium headlight in case anyone was curious about that.  Short thoughts on
>> the B are it's a great wide light field, not the absolute brightest but
>> very good when it's really dark and definitely more than adequate for being
>> seen.
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> 
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[RBW] Re: Saluki Re-Tired

[Kieran J]

Cool bike! 
Are those vintage Paul Stoplights you are running there?
Any issues with weeping on the EL sidewalls?

KJ


On Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 11:45:21 AM UTC-4, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>
> Perhaps the better word choice would be 'renewed'... if you are tired of 
> gushing about Compass tires just skip this post.  My Saluki hasn't gotten 
> all that much love since my acquisition of the Jones Plus in February and 
> particularly while I was experimenting with the 29x2.35 Schwable 'Big One' 
> slicks on that frame (also an awesome experience).  That coupled with a 
> rash of flats on two different sets of Parimoto 38mm tires on the Saluki 
> over the summer and the long days making dyno lighting less of a must have 
> kept the bike in the garage quite a bit.  The parimoto flats are not really 
> an indictment of those tires but rather a reflection that the Mount Vernon 
> Trail in vicinity of Reagan Nat'l Airport has had a ton of broken glass on 
> the trails this year and it's just very hard on any tire.  I'm at risk with 
> the Compass tires as well there but as I'll get into, at least I'm not 
> going to be slapping $7-10 tube replacements in on a weekly basis.
>
> While I wasn't in any hurry to get rid of the Saluki I wasn't finding a 
> lot of excuses to ride it and mostly when I would I was nervous about my 
> next flat and the delay that would incur.  Any mechanical doubts about a 
> bike or car really detract from the use to me.  As luck would have it 
> Chirs(Pondero) and I had been going back and forth about his acquiring my 
> Bstone MB-5 as a DC town bike for when he is visiting his family here at 
> the same time that Compass announced that their Babyshoe Pass EL's were now 
> available in tubeless.  It just so happened that the MB-5 sale would 
> completely cover a new set of compass tires, a set of tire wipers and 
> another years BQ subscription... or at least close enough! :)
>
> The new BSP EL's locked up pretty easily on my Velocity A23 rims and upon 
> initial inflation to about 60psi to seat the beads measured a little over 
> 40mm.  I'm trying to run them around 25-30psi front and 40-50psi back right 
> now... I give the ranges because I've been plagued with different readings 
> from pretty much every gauge I own, a digital one, my floor pump and the 
> gauge on my compressor all read sometimes wildly different. I have the most 
> run time with the floor pump so I'm trying to trust that one.  the tires 
> have grown a bit in the 2 weeks they've been on the bike just from my 
> looking at the fender clearance but I haven't measured them.  Ride quality 
> is superb, not hugely different than how I remember the Hetre's or SBH's 
> actually and I'm not sure how much the tubeless really matters to the 
> feel.  My main motivation on the tubeless is that I'll have fewer flats and 
> at least not have to mess with tubes so often.  The biggest thing that has 
> struck me in my rides over the weekend and this week is how quiet they are 
> on the pavement.  Monday morning in the pre-dawn darkness all I could hear 
> on the bike was the cassette lightly clicking as I flew around Gravelly 
> Point... a really great feeling.
>
> Time will tell on the durability, obviously any of these light supple 
> tires compromise on protection from road debris but at least for now I'll 
> continue to risk it.  The result so far is I have ridden the Saluki at 
> every opportunity since the BSP's were mounted.  Couple pictures from 
> yesterday morning's solo coffee outside including a shot of my B Cyo 
> Premium headlight in case anyone was curious about that.  Short thoughts on 
> the B are it's a great wide light field, not the absolute brightest but 
> very good when it's really dark and definitely more than adequate for being 
> seen.
>
>
>
> 
>  
>
>
> 
>
> 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Saluki Re-Tired

[Bill Lindsay]

Tires, schmires.  My approval gun is taking aim at your color-matched 
fenders!

APPROVE

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 8:45:21 AM UTC-7, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>
> Perhaps the better word choice would be 'renewed'... if you are tired of 
> gushing about Compass tires just skip this post.  My Saluki hasn't gotten 
> all that much love since my acquisition of the Jones Plus in February and 
> particularly while I was experimenting with the 29x2.35 Schwable 'Big One' 
> slicks on that frame (also an awesome experience).  That coupled with a 
> rash of flats on two different sets of Parimoto 38mm tires on the Saluki 
> over the summer and the long days making dyno lighting less of a must have 
> kept the bike in the garage quite a bit.  The parimoto flats are not really 
> an indictment of those tires but rather a reflection that the Mount Vernon 
> Trail in vicinity of Reagan Nat'l Airport has had a ton of broken glass on 
> the trails this year and it's just very hard on any tire.  I'm at risk with 
> the Compass tires as well there but as I'll get into, at least I'm not 
> going to be slapping $7-10 tube replacements in on a weekly basis.
>
> While I wasn't in any hurry to get rid of the Saluki I wasn't finding a 
> lot of excuses to ride it and mostly when I would I was nervous about my 
> next flat and the delay that would incur.  Any mechanical doubts about a 
> bike or car really detract from the use to me.  As luck would have it 
> Chirs(Pondero) and I had been going back and forth about his acquiring my 
> Bstone MB-5 as a DC town bike for when he is visiting his family here at 
> the same time that Compass announced that their Babyshoe Pass EL's were now 
> available in tubeless.  It just so happened that the MB-5 sale would 
> completely cover a new set of compass tires, a set of tire wipers and 
> another years BQ subscription... or at least close enough! :)
>
> The new BSP EL's locked up pretty easily on my Velocity A23 rims and upon 
> initial inflation to about 60psi to seat the beads measured a little over 
> 40mm.  I'm trying to run them around 25-30psi front and 40-50psi back right 
> now... I give the ranges because I've been plagued with different readings 
> from pretty much every gauge I own, a digital one, my floor pump and the 
> gauge on my compressor all read sometimes wildly different. I have the most 
> run time with the floor pump so I'm trying to trust that one.  the tires 
> have grown a bit in the 2 weeks they've been on the bike just from my 
> looking at the fender clearance but I haven't measured them.  Ride quality 
> is superb, not hugely different than how I remember the Hetre's or SBH's 
> actually and I'm not sure how much the tubeless really matters to the 
> feel.  My main motivation on the tubeless is that I'll have fewer flats and 
> at least not have to mess with tubes so often.  The biggest thing that has 
> struck me in my rides over the weekend and this week is how quiet they are 
> on the pavement.  Monday morning in the pre-dawn darkness all I could hear 
> on the bike was the cassette lightly clicking as I flew around Gravelly 
> Point... a really great feeling.
>
> Time will tell on the durability, obviously any of these light supple 
> tires compromise on protection from road debris but at least for now I'll 
> continue to risk it.  The result so far is I have ridden the Saluki at 
> every opportunity since the BSP's were mounted.  Couple pictures from 
> yesterday morning's solo coffee outside including a shot of my B Cyo 
> Premium headlight in case anyone was curious about that.  Short thoughts on 
> the B are it's a great wide light field, not the absolute brightest but 
> very good when it's really dark and definitely more than adequate for being 
> seen.
>
>
>
> 
>  
>
>
> 
>
> 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Saluki.

[Ace Acer]

Ray,
   You are correct about the Saluki's having double-tapered seat stays.  
The Bleriot's have single-tapered seat stays.  Below is a link to the 
Cyclofiend site with the Bleriot announcement pages from the Rivendell 
Reader #37 (2006).  A nice quick read.

http://cyclofiend.com/rbw/bleriot/index.html#announce

Ace
Providence, RI



On Thursday, September 28, 2017 at 9:59:06 PM UTC-4, Ray Varella wrote:

> If I'm remembering correctly, the Saluki had double tapered seat stays, 
> not sure if the Bleriot did. 
>
>
> Ray
> Vallejo CA
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Saluki.

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

If I ever have the pleasure of going on a ride with Steve, it will be like 
Oscar and Felix taking their bikes for a spin.

On Friday, September 29, 2017 at 4:29:10 PM UTC-4, Fullylugged wrote: 
Immaculate 
bike Steve.  You trailer it there, take picture then put it back? :)  

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[RBW] Re: Saluki.

[drew]

That's perfect.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Saluki.

[lum gim fong]

I always thought the sheep on the Rambouillet head badge looks like my dog 
Johnny.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Saluki.

[Hugh Smitham]

Lol. I am partial to sight hounds.

On Sep 29, 2017 5:19 PM, "dougP"  wrote:

> Spoken like a true dog lover.
>
> dougP
>
> On Friday, September 29, 2017 at 3:41:50 PM UTC-7, Hugh Smitham wrote:
>>
>> Swooning. I think it's my favorite head badge.
>>
>> On Sep 29, 2017 1:30 PM, "Kellie"  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> Whoops! Here's the head badge:
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, September 27, 2017 at 11:52:59 PM UTC-7, Hugh Smitham
>>> wrote:

 How come I rarely ever see Saluki's up on the chopping block? Did Riv
 only make a small batch?

 I'd love a 56cm perhaps it's a pipe dream?

 ~hugh

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Re: [RBW] Re: Saluki.

[Hugh Smitham]

Swooning. I think it's my favorite head badge.

On Sep 29, 2017 1:30 PM, "Kellie"  wrote:

>
> 
> Whoops! Here's the head badge:
>
> On Wednesday, September 27, 2017 at 11:52:59 PM UTC-7, Hugh Smitham wrote:
>>
>> How come I rarely ever see Saluki's up on the chopping block? Did Riv
>> only make a small batch?
>>
>> I'd love a 56cm perhaps it's a pipe dream?
>>
>> ~hugh
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Saluki.

[Steve Palincsar]

No.  This was entirely on pavement, even the part down the farm road in 
the Amish area, but even disregarding pavement fenders like this do a 
great job keeping the bike clean.  And that's especially important if 
you're riding in area where there are many horse drawn vehicles like the 
one where these photos were taken, in Maryland's St Marys County.  These 
photos were all taken on the same ride (indeed, on the same road) as the 
one featuring the Saluki.



On 09/29/2017 04:29 PM, Bruce wrote:
Immaculate bike Steve.  You trailer it there, take picture then put it 
back? :)
Love those honking fat tires.  Oodles of comfort and as fast as you 
want too.


Yes indeed, those tires are very comfortable.  And in rural areas, high 
pressure narrow racing tires just don't get on all that pleasantly with 
farm roads, which are generally paved with coarse materials like 
chipseal, but also the iron shod horses' hooves and the steel tires on 
the the buggy wheels really tear up the pavement.


The bike below is now owned by list member Tony DeFilippo, who also 
lives in Alexandria VA.







*From:* Steve Palincsar <palin...@his.com>
*To:* rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
*Sent:* Friday, September 29, 2017 3:05 PM
*Subject:* Re: [RBW] Re: Saluki.



On 09/29/2017 03:55 PM, lum gim fong wrote:

Why not consider a Roadeo?

They can do everything a Saluki can now that you can get braze ons 
wherever you want them, plus they will be a snappier ride/lighter 
tubeset.


I guess only restriction is tire size the Saluki probably has the 
Roadeo beat. But other than that the Roadeo should be the more 
exhilerating ride, in theory.




Only "probably"?  Per https://www.rivbike.com/products/roadeo "FOR 
SURE: The Jack Brown, which is NOMINALLY 33.333mm wide on most 
rims--but that's irrelevant, remember?--measures about 700mm on a 24mm 
rim. It's the fattest unfendered tire we can categorically commit to 
fitting the ROADEO fork. /If you want fenders also, best limit the 
tire to 682mm height...which will be about a 28./"   I ran 650Bx42mm 
Grand Bois Hetres with fenders on my Saluki.  That is a huge 
difference, lum gim.




Bigger than huge.  Monstro Gigantor.  Let's compare a Range Rover with 
an Aston Martin, why don't we. I can see plenty of reasons why you 
might want to have both, but I can't see any reason to think the two 
would really be interchangeable.


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[RBW] Re: Saluki.

[Kellie]

Whoops! Here's the head badge:

On Wednesday, September 27, 2017 at 11:52:59 PM UTC-7, Hugh Smitham wrote:
>
> How come I rarely ever see Saluki's up on the chopping block? Did Riv only 
> make a small batch?
>
> I'd love a 56cm perhaps it's a pipe dream?
>
> ~hugh
>

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[RBW] Re: Saluki.

[Kellie]

The headbadge on my 50cm Saluki.

With Fatty Rumpkins 





On Wednesday, September 27, 2017 at 11:52:59 PM UTC-7, Hugh Smitham wrote:
>
> How come I rarely ever see Saluki's up on the chopping block? Did Riv only 
> make a small batch?
>
> I'd love a 56cm perhaps it's a pipe dream?
>
> ~hugh
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Saluki.

[Bruce]

Immaculate bike Steve.  You trailer it there, take picture then put it back? :) 
 Love those honking fat tires.  Oodles of comfort and as fast as you want too.

  From: Steve Palincsar <palin...@his.com>
 To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 3:05 PM
 Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Saluki.
   
 
  
 On 09/29/2017 03:55 PM, lum gim fong wrote:
  
 Why not consider a Roadeo? 
  They can do everything a Saluki can now that you can get braze ons wherever 
you want them, plus they will be a snappier ride/lighter tubeset. 
  I guess only restriction is tire size the Saluki probably has the Roadeo 
beat. But other than that the Roadeo should be the more exhilerating ride, in 
theory.  
 
 
 Only "probably"?  Per https://www.rivbike.com/products/roadeo  "FOR SURE: The 
Jack Brown, which is NOMINALLY 33.333mm wide on most rims--but that's 
irrelevant, remember?--measures about 700mm on a 24mm rim. It's the fattest 
unfendered tire we can categorically commit to fitting the ROADEO fork. If you 
want fenders also, best limit the tire to 682mm height...which will be about a 
28."   I ran 650Bx42mm Grand Bois Hetres with fenders on my Saluki.  That is a 
huge difference, lum gim.  
 
 
 
 Bigger than huge.  Monstro Gigantor.  Let's compare a Range Rover with an 
Aston Martin, why don't we.   I can see plenty of reasons why you might want to 
have both, but I can't see any reason to think the two would really be 
interchangeable.
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Saluki.

[Kellie]

Headbadge on my 50cm Saluki.

  



On Friday, September 29, 2017 at 10:29:06 AM UTC-7, Fullylugged wrote:
>
> There were a couple including some LE pewter ones.  Mine had cloisonne 
> edges.
>
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> *Sent:* Friday, September 29, 2017 9:02 AM
> *Subject:* [RBW] Re: Saluki.
>
> I think they came with diff badges. RBW sells old model badges so you 
> could call them and see if they have the one you prefer. This one looks 
> like cloisonne trim?
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Re: [RBW] Re: Saluki.

[Steve Palincsar]

On 09/29/2017 03:55 PM, lum gim fong wrote:

Why not consider a Roadeo?

They can do everything a Saluki can now that you can get braze ons 
wherever you want them, plus they will be a snappier ride/lighter tubeset.


I guess only restriction is tire size the Saluki probably has the 
Roadeo beat. But other than that the Roadeo should be the more 
exhilerating ride, in theory.




Only "probably"?  Per https://www.rivbike.com/products/roadeo  "FOR 
SURE: The Jack Brown, which is NOMINALLY 33.333mm wide on most rims--but 
that's irrelevant, remember?--measures about 700mm on a 24mm rim. It's 
the fattest unfendered tire we can categorically commit to fitting the 
ROADEO fork. /If you want fenders also, best limit the tire to 682mm 
height...which will be about a 28./" I ran 650Bx42mm Grand Bois Hetres 
with fenders on my Saluki.  That is a huge difference, lum gim.




Bigger than huge.  Monstro Gigantor.  Let's compare a Range Rover with 
an Aston Martin, why don't we.   I can see plenty of reasons why you 
might want to have both, but I can't see any reason to think the two 
would really be interchangeable.


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[RBW] Re: Saluki.

[lum gim fong]

Why not consider a Roadeo?

They can do everything a Saluki can now that you can get braze ons wherever 
you want them, plus they will be a snappier ride/lighter tubeset.

I guess only restriction is tire size the Saluki probably has the Roadeo 
beat. But other than that the Roadeo should be the more exhilerating ride, 
in theory.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Saluki.

[Bruce]

There were a couple including some LE pewter ones.  Mine had cloisonne edges.

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I think they came with diff badges. RBW sells old model badges so you could 
call them and see if they have the one you prefer. This one looks like 
cloisonne trim?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Saluki.

[drew]

Ha! 
If it comes to that, I'll thank you from preventing me from spending more money 
and saving my marriage.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Saluki.

[Hugh Smitham]

Drew,

Don't even think about it Mr.

On Sep 28, 2017 9:34 PM, "drew"  wrote:

> I agree. There is something way more pleasing about the saluki over the
> hilsen for me. I know this is irrational. If a 56 saluki popped up, I'd be
> hard pressed not to jump on it.
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[RBW] Re: Saluki.

[drew]

I agree. There is something way more pleasing about the saluki over the hilsen 
for me. I know this is irrational. If a 56 saluki popped up, I'd be hard 
pressed not to jump on it. 

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[RBW] Re: Saluki.

[ted]

Toyo built 650b Hilsens do exist. Currently they are made in Wisconsin, but 
that wasn't always the case.

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[RBW] Re: Saluki.

[Fullylugged]

Saluki has nice Japanese tubing, HT TT and DT, and yes double taper stays. Made 
in Japan. Hilsen is made of different tubing and made in WI. Bleriot is made of 
Taiwanese tubing, in Taiwan and the lugs and details while nice are not as nice 
as Saluki/Hilsen. The idea was to make a great country bike at a lower price 
point. Analogous to the more recent Sam Hillbornes. The QBP thing went astray 
when the frames started showing up for cheap on Ebay. People who  have Bleriots 
seem to like them. I sold my Saluki because I wasn't doing country style riding 
much and someone else might like to have it instead. It was a nice bike though. 

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[RBW] Re: Saluki.

[Ray Varella]

If I'm remembering correctly, the Saluki had double tapered seat stays, not 
sure if the Bleriot did. 


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[RBW] Re: Saluki.

[John A. Bennett]

Dear Dave,

I'm a little rusty of the Bleriot specs. It was a very limited offering, 
done in conjunction with QBP, and yes, made in Taiwan. 

Riv originally intended the decals/HB/name for another model, but when the 
QBP thing came together, it was decided to use them for the Bleriot.

Jon Grant, who also did the Saluki artwork (and, coincidentally, Rivelo's 
logo), designed the Bleriot decals and head badge. 

All I can remember today

John

On Thursday, September 28, 2017 at 7:32:47 AM UTC-7, Dave Small wrote:
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> John, something I've wondered about lately, and just realized that you're 
> a perfect person to ask:
>
> What's the difference between the Saluki and the Bleriot?  I know the 
> Bleriot is Taiwan-built, but from everything I've read I'd expect the 
> capabilities and ride qualities of these 2 models to be very similar, if 
> not identical.  Are there differences I'm overlooking or unaware of, such 
> as differences in the tubists that translate to differences in the bikes' 
> qualities?  Thanks.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Saluki.

[Hugh Smitham]

Hi sky,

The differences between the 56cm Salulki and 56cm Hilsen are purely
aesthetic for me. I like the head badge better and I know it's a quibbly
point but I prefer canti posts vs caliper brakes. I realize I could have
had all this done on my Hilsen but I felt it was a tad too large for me and
felt it was easier to sell and consider a different path. James, I think
this answers your question. It was a 58cm (650b).

John, thanks for the inside scoop. So yeah the Saluki had a brief span
before the Hilsen badging took over which answers my question about why so
few pop up.


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> John, something I've wondered about lately, and just realized that you're
> a perfect person to ask:
>
> What's the difference between the Saluki and the Bleriot?  I know the
> Bleriot is Taiwan-built, but from everything I've read I'd expect the
> capabilities and ride qualities of these 2 models to be very similar, if
> not identical.  Are there differences I'm overlooking or unaware of, such
> as differences in the tubists that translate to differences in the bikes'
> qualities?  Thanks.
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[RBW] Re: Saluki.

['Dave Small' via RBW Owners Bunch]

John, something I've wondered about lately, and just realized that you're a 
perfect person to ask:

What's the difference between the Saluki and the Bleriot?  I know the 
Bleriot is Taiwan-built, but from everything I've read I'd expect the 
capabilities and ride qualities of these 2 models to be very similar, if 
not identical.  Are there differences I'm overlooking or unaware of, such 
as differences in the tubists that translate to differences in the bikes' 
qualities?  Thanks.

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[RBW] Re: Saluki.

['Dave Small' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Thanks for that history and context, John.  

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[RBW] Re: Saluki.

[John A. Bennett]

Salukis were originally available/built in sizes 47cm to 62cm, starting in 
2005.

When Rivendell wanted to make a bike with similar geometry and qualities 
(room for bigger tires and fenders, etc.), but in larger sizes, the A. 
Homer Hilsen was born. 

Because bikes bigger than 62cm with 650B wheels didn't seem like a good 
idea, the A. Homer Hilsen was first offered as "the 700c version of the 
Saluki."  

When Rivendell realized that having two bikes that were, for all intents & 
purposes, "the same," the Saluki name was retired, and all existing (and 
future) frames became A. Homer Hilsens. 

John, late of Rivendell, currently of Rivelo, and rider of 62cm Saluki



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> Hugh, I've wondered the same thing.  I'd be interested in a 60cm or 61cm 
> Saluki---I can't remember if they come in odd or even sizes---but haven't 
> seen one become available since I started watching.  I have a 700c Hilsen 
> and love it, and would like to try a 650b Saluki that would let me put even 
> fatter tires on it.  I agree with Sky that the Hilsen and Saluki are 
> identical if they're both 650b, but in my size the wheel sizes differ.  
>
> I recall a post from a few months ago in which someone described a NOS 
> frame they'd bought from Rivendell that wasn't labeled, and Riv told her 
> that it was a Saluki or Hilsen, take your pick because they're the same. 
>  If that came from Riv than it's proof enough to me that the models are the 
> same.  
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Saluki.

[Steve Palincsar]

Even


On 09/28/2017 07:35 AM, 'Dave Small' via RBW Owners Bunch wrote:
Hugh, I've wondered the same thing.  I'd be interested in a 60cm or 
61cm Saluki---I can't remember if they come in odd or even sizes---but 
haven't seen one become available since I started watching.


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[RBW] Re: Saluki.

['Dave Small' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hugh, I've wondered the same thing.  I'd be interested in a 60cm or 61cm 
Saluki---I can't remember if they come in odd or even sizes---but haven't 
seen one become available since I started watching.  I have a 700c Hilsen 
and love it, and would like to try a 650b Saluki that would let me put even 
fatter tires on it.  I agree with Sky that the Hilsen and Saluki are 
identical if they're both 650b, but in my size the wheel sizes differ.  

I recall a post from a few months ago in which someone described a NOS 
frame they'd bought from Rivendell that wasn't labeled, and Riv told her 
that it was a Saluki or Hilsen, take your pick because they're the same. 
 If that came from Riv than it's proof enough to me that the models are the 
same.  

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[RBW] Re: Saluki.

[Sky Coulter]

Hugh, I'm not sure how much difference there is between the 56cm 650b 
hilsen and a 56cm saluki.  I was under the impression the geometry was the 
same and that the 650b hilsen's are just kind of rebadged salukis.

Sky in new west 

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>
> How come I rarely ever see Saluki's up on the chopping block? Did Riv only 
> make a small batch?
>
> I'd love a 56cm perhaps it's a pipe dream?
>
> ~hugh
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[RBW] Re: Saluki Links

[Les Lammers]

Too bad that the Bleriot project did not work out. A lot more folks would 
be really enjoying cycling if it did. 
 
On Tuesday, August 8, 2017 at 11:44:13 AM UTC-4, rob markwardt wrote:

> Here's the country bike article.  
>
> On Tuesday, August 8, 2017 at 8:41:23 AM UTC-7, rob markwardt wrote:
>>
>> I was digging through my old Readers last night (weren't those a blast!) 
>> and this is the oldest Saluki article I could find (issue 33).  It mentions 
>> a "Big Saluki report in the next issue" but looking through #34 I don't see 
>> much specifically about Saluki's...lots of talk about 650b though.  #35 has 
>> an article on country bikes and uses a side shot of a Saluki.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 3:28:16 PM UTC-7, John Hawrylak wrote:
>>>
>>> Does any one have any links to the RBW literature on the early 
>>> Saluki's???  looking at the 54cm on Seattle CL, since it is my size.
>>>
>>> I know the Saluki's transformed into the 650B AHHs, but there seems to 
>>> be subtle differences.
>>>
>>> I thought there were links on Cyclofiend's site, but have not located 
>>> them
>>>
>>>
>>> John Hawrylak
>>> Woodstown NJ
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Saluki Links

[John Hawrylak]

Rob

Thanks for the 2 RR articles.  I vaguely remember these, but not paying 
full attention at the time.  GP was certainty besting the 650B drum at the 
time and it seems history proved him much more right than wrong

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

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> Here's the country bike article.  
>
> On Tuesday, August 8, 2017 at 8:41:23 AM UTC-7, rob markwardt wrote:
>>
>> I was digging through my old Readers last night (weren't those a blast!) 
>> and this is the oldest Saluki article I could find (issue 33).  It mentions 
>> a "Big Saluki report in the next issue" but looking through #34 I don't see 
>> much specifically about Saluki's...lots of talk about 650b though.  #35 has 
>> an article on country bikes and uses a side shot of a Saluki.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 3:28:16 PM UTC-7, John Hawrylak wrote:
>>>
>>> Does any one have any links to the RBW literature on the early 
>>> Saluki's???  looking at the 54cm on Seattle CL, since it is my size.
>>>
>>> I know the Saluki's transformed into the 650B AHHs, but there seems to 
>>> be subtle differences.
>>>
>>> I thought there were links on Cyclofiend's site, but have not located 
>>> them
>>>
>>>
>>> John Hawrylak
>>> Woodstown NJ
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Saluki Links

[Joe Bernard]

Remember when Riv stuff came on paper in the mail and 650B was that crazy idea 
that would never catch on? Good times!

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[RBW] Re: Saluki Links

[Tony DeFilippo]

I really 42mm GB EL Hetres with the sks fenders for a while.  Tight but 
manageable.  I've been running the 1.75" parimotos for about 2 years now under 
berthoud steel fenders and want to compass tires next... I saw the new BSP 42's 
are going to be wider and tube less compatible which has me worried about 
space.  I may try it anyway, I think the critical spot is at the chainstay yoke 
and I could probably take a Dremel to the fender there and open up some room.

If not maybe I'll go back to the Hetres. The parimotos are fine but don't have 
that 'magic'... (Or amazing marketing)

When I do it I'll share pictures.  My A23 rims are supposedly also tubeless 
ready so I might mess around with that to.

Tony

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[RBW] Re: Saluki Links

[Dave Johnston]

Michael,

Compass has just increased their 42mm tire by 1.5mm so the fit will only 
get tighter. You might want to try some older ones. The 1.75" Pari-moto is 
measuring between 40-41mm for most people on a rim like the synergy.

-Dave

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>
> I'm late to this discussion and have not been able to follow all of the 
> rather cryptic postings, but.  I have an early, canti, grey Saluki 
> which, over time has become my most ridden bike.  It's just so comfortable, 
> so versatile, so ...perfect.  I have a soft spot in my heart for my 
> Rambouilet, but the Saluki guides over so much bad road with ease.  I 
> currently run 38's but intend to go with Compass 41s under VO fenders.
>
> Michael
>
> On Monday, August 7, 2017 at 7:50:32 PM UTC-4, KenP wrote:
>>
>> Hi John,
>>I had an early 50 canti Saluki, but found it too small; then sold it 
>> and got a 54 sidepull Saluki;  My pbh 79.5; the 54 fits better.  I liked 
>> the cantilever brakes better though because they stopped better and opened 
>> easier. And I like the 650B wheel size.  However these days I'm beginning 
>> to like bikes with wider tires for the local trails.   
>> Ken, 
>> Virginia
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 6:28:16 PM UTC-4, John Hawrylak wrote:
>>>
>>> Does any one have any links to the RBW literature on the early 
>>> Saluki's???  looking at the 54cm on Seattle CL, since it is my size.
>>>
>>> I know the Saluki's transformed into the 650B AHHs, but there seems to 
>>> be subtle differences.
>>>
>>> I thought there were links on Cyclofiend's site, but have not located 
>>> them
>>>
>>>
>>> John Hawrylak
>>> Woodstown NJ
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Saluki Links

[DB]

I've used the VO Zeppelin fenders with 42s. There was not a ton of room under 
the fender but it worked fine. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Saluki Links

[Justin August]

Who has aluminum fenders on theirs with 42mm tires and what do you use?

On Aug 7, 2017, 5:57 PM -0700, Michael Hechmer , wrote:
> I'm late to this discussion and have not been able to follow all of the 
> rather cryptic postings, but.  I have an early, canti, grey Saluki which, 
> over time has become my most ridden bike.  It's just so comfortable, so 
> versatile, so ...perfect.  I have a soft spot in my heart for my Rambouilet, 
> but the Saluki guides over so much bad road with ease.  I currently run 38's 
> but intend to go with Compass 41s under VO fenders.
>
> Michael
>
> On Monday, August 7, 2017 at 7:50:32 PM UTC-4, KenP wrote:
> > Hi John,
> >    I had an early 50 canti Saluki, but found it too small; then sold it and 
> > got a 54 sidepull Saluki;  My pbh 79.5; the 54 fits better.  I liked the 
> > cantilever brakes better though because they stopped better and opened 
> > easier. And I like the 650B wheel size.  However these days I'm beginning 
> > to like bikes with wider tires for the local trails.
> > Ken,
> > Virginia
> >
> > On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 6:28:16 PM UTC-4, John Hawrylak wrote:
> > > Does any one have any links to the RBW literature on the early 
> > > Saluki's???  looking at the 54cm on Seattle CL, since it is my size.
> > >
> > > I know the Saluki's transformed into the 650B AHHs, but there seems to be 
> > > subtle differences.
> > >
> > > I thought there were links on Cyclofiend's site, but have not located them
> > >
> > >
> > > John Hawrylak
> > > Woodstown NJ
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[RBW] Re: Saluki Links

[Michael Hechmer]

I'm late to this discussion and have not been able to follow all of the 
rather cryptic postings, but.  I have an early, canti, grey Saluki 
which, over time has become my most ridden bike.  It's just so comfortable, 
so versatile, so ...perfect.  I have a soft spot in my heart for my 
Rambouilet, but the Saluki guides over so much bad road with ease.  I 
currently run 38's but intend to go with Compass 41s under VO fenders.

Michael

On Monday, August 7, 2017 at 7:50:32 PM UTC-4, KenP wrote:
>
> Hi John,
>I had an early 50 canti Saluki, but found it too small; then sold it 
> and got a 54 sidepull Saluki;  My pbh 79.5; the 54 fits better.  I liked 
> the cantilever brakes better though because they stopped better and opened 
> easier. And I like the 650B wheel size.  However these days I'm beginning 
> to like bikes with wider tires for the local trails.   
> Ken, 
> Virginia
>
> On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 6:28:16 PM UTC-4, John Hawrylak wrote:
>>
>> Does any one have any links to the RBW literature on the early 
>> Saluki's???  looking at the 54cm on Seattle CL, since it is my size.
>>
>> I know the Saluki's transformed into the 650B AHHs, but there seems to be 
>> subtle differences.
>>
>> I thought there were links on Cyclofiend's site, but have not located them
>>
>>
>> John Hawrylak
>> Woodstown NJ
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Saluki Links

[KenP]

Hi John,
   I had an early 50 canti Saluki, but found it too small; then sold it and 
got a 54 sidepull Saluki;  My pbh 79.5; the 54 fits better.  I liked the 
cantilever brakes better though because they stopped better and opened 
easier. And I like the 650B wheel size.  However these days I'm beginning 
to like bikes with wider tires for the local trails.   
Ken, 
Virginia

On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 6:28:16 PM UTC-4, John Hawrylak wrote:
>
> Does any one have any links to the RBW literature on the early 
> Saluki's???  looking at the 54cm on Seattle CL, since it is my size.
>
> I know the Saluki's transformed into the 650B AHHs, but there seems to be 
> subtle differences.
>
> I thought there were links on Cyclofiend's site, but have not located them
>
>
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ
>

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[RBW] Re: Saluki Links

[Fullylugged]

Saluki was made In Osaka by Toyo. Hilsens are made in WI by Waterford. GP has 
said build quality is equal at both places back when some frames were coming 
from both places, but the tubing used is different in each location. Saluki 
used high quality Japanese tubing. I don't know what tubing W'Ford has these 
days, since True Temper no longer supplies bike tubes. I'm sure it's good, but 
that might lead to some variation in the feel of the bike. IIRC, the TT and DT 
on Saluki (and Rambouillet) were heat treated while the rest of the tubes were 
not. Don't know about current Hilsen.  Not sure I could tell even there is a 
difference! Tires might affect the feel more.

Let us know how your bike odyssey goes.

Bruce

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[RBW] Re: Saluki Links

[John Hawrylak]

Thanks to all who provided the Saluki links and shared their experiences.  
It was just what I was looking for.

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 6:28:16 PM UTC-4, John Hawrylak wrote:

> Does any one have any links to the RBW literature on the early 
> Saluki's???  looking at the 54cm on Seattle CL, since it is my size.
>
> I know the Saluki's transformed into the 650B AHHs, but there seems to be 
> subtle differences.
>
> I thought there were links on Cyclofiend's site, but have not located them
>
>
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Saluki - Dog Trailers?

[Eunice Chang]

This thread reminded me of this ride Maggie is doing with her dog Oscar:

http://totalwomenscycling.com/lifestyle/gallery-65-year-old-maggies-5000-mile-challenge-dog-oscar-underway-46838/1

I'm not sure, but I *think* the dog gets to run/walk on some of the
uphills. :)

-E.



On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 5:21 PM, KenP krpeyto...@gmail.com wrote:

 Um, does anyone carry a saluki with a Saluki?  :)

 On Tuesday, June 2, 2015 at 10:12:43 AM UTC-4, rasterdogs wrote:

 I'm exploring the use of a dog trailer so I can take our new pup to work
 with me.

 I'll use my Saluki if I do this.

 I'm interested of others have experience towing trailers with their
 Riv's. I'm thinking a Doggyride trailer looks like a good choice.

 Thanks,
 JimD

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[RBW] Re: Saluki - Dog Trailers?

[KenP]

Um, does anyone carry a saluki with a Saluki?  :)

On Tuesday, June 2, 2015 at 10:12:43 AM UTC-4, rasterdogs wrote:

 I'm exploring the use of a dog trailer so I can take our new pup to work 
 with me.  

 I'll use my Saluki if I do this.

 I'm interested of others have experience towing trailers with their Riv's. 
 I'm thinking a Doggyride trailer looks like a good choice.

 Thanks,
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[RBW] Re: Saluki - Dog Trailers?

[Surlyprof]

My wife had bought a dedicated dog trailer with the hopes of hauling one of 
our dogs around.  Both dogs hated it.  It was like we had bought a medieval 
torture device.  The one doesn't like riding in the car, so that wasn't a 
surprise.  But, the other loves riding in the car and she hated it as well. 
 Not sure why.  Might have been the bouncey-ness of the ride.  $200 of 
trying netted us $50 on CL.  Live and learn.  I'd try to buy used.

John

On Tuesday, June 2, 2015 at 7:12:43 AM UTC-7, rasterdogs wrote:

 I'm exploring the use of a dog trailer so I can take our new pup to work 
 with me.  

 I'll use my Saluki if I do this.

 I'm interested of others have experience towing trailers with their Riv's. 
 I'm thinking a Doggyride trailer looks like a good choice.

 Thanks,
 JimD


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[RBW] Re: Saluki - Dog Trailers?

[Shoji Takahashi]

Hi Jim,
I have used my AHH and Hunqapillar to tow a Burley trailer with kids. Kids 
and toys probably weighed 60# or 70# (on the Hunqapillar). For AHH, I only 
loaded it with one child-- probably 30#.

There are limitations to trailers and carrying live weight. 

The Burley trailer is a two-wheeled trailer. From what I can see, the 
Doggyride is also two wheeled. Though stable for loading, it can be tipped 
when going over uneven ground or taking a turn too quickly. If you're going 
on trails, be mindful of rocks and logs. It looks like the wheels on the 
Doggyride don't have bumpers-- narrow pathways (e.g., between trees on a 
trail or bollards on a path) could be problematic if the wheel strikes it. 

Kids and dogs moving in a trailer can influence the handling of the bike. 
It depends on the weight and how much they're moving around. 

good luck,
Shoji



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 I'm exploring the use of a dog trailer so I can take our new pup to work 
 with me.  

 I'll use my Saluki if I do this.

 I'm interested of others have experience towing trailers with their Riv's. 
 I'm thinking a Doggyride trailer looks like a good choice.

 Thanks,
 JimD


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[RBW] Re: Saluki - Dog Trailers?

[Leslie]

When we head to the coast, I rent a trailer, to tow one of the kids 
around   
https://www.flickr.com/photos/leslie_bright/17732968054/in/album-72157623199721925/
 


I've had no problems, ridin' around the village...   but yes, it can tip 
the bike over, if weight is getting shifted around...   how well behaved is 
the dog?   

The Bombadil is a stout bike, tho'... not that I don't think the Saluki 
could handle it, but, the Bomba is a workhorse of a bike


-L

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[RBW] Re: Saluki on it's way back

[Carla Waugh]

Your bike is beautiful!

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[RBW] Re: Saluki on it's way back

[Tony DeFilippo]

Thanks Dave, Shoji, Erl and Steve!



First commute on the re-built Saluki this morning went great. Glorious 
weather, a warm afternoon but I had a late work release anyway.  The bike 
did great, the fenders and Bruce Gordon racks were flawless.  I'm pretty 
stoked about the build and bummed I won't be able to ride in the next two 
days. Friday here I come!

http://dr2dc.blogspot.com/2015/05/back-in-saddle.html


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[RBW] Re: Saluki on it's way back

[WETH]

Those fenders came out nicely!  You are right about the silky feel of a new 
drivetrain!  Beautiful bike. Congrats!

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[RBW] Re: Saluki on it's way back

[Lungimsam]

Impressive!! That was a fast build!!
I am always impressed by people who can full wrench on their bikes. So 
cool! 

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[RBW] Re: Saluki on it's way back

[Shoji Takahashi]

Looks great, Tony. Enjoy the ride!
shoji


On Friday, May 22, 2015 at 5:55:46 PM UTC-4, Tony DeFilippo wrote:


 https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-J1I1pIHK7w4/VV-llrMbkxI/HmQ/v-lN75qhtkg/s1600/RAD_7066.jpg

 Back on the road!  More to do, especially the fenders, racks and dyno 
 lighting but I'm going for a quick ride and doing some Happy Hour to ring 
 in the Memorial Day weekend.  Enjoy everyone, happy riding this weekend!

 http://dr2dc.blogspot.com/2015/05/rolling-again.html




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Re: [RBW] Re: Saluki on it's way back

[WETH]

This is a beautiful weekend to ride it.  Congrats.

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[RBW] Re: Saluki on it's way back

[Lungimsam]

Congrats on getting the frame back, Tony!
 Wow! Are those dyno light wire braze-ons from RBW, or did you get them 
brazed on while they were repairing the fork?

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[RBW] Re: Saluki on it's way back

[Tony DeFilippo]

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-J1I1pIHK7w4/VV-llrMbkxI/HmQ/v-lN75qhtkg/s1600/RAD_7066.jpg

Back on the road!  More to do, especially the fenders, racks and dyno 
lighting but I'm going for a quick ride and doing some Happy Hour to ring 
in the Memorial Day weekend.  Enjoy everyone, happy riding this weekend!

http://dr2dc.blogspot.com/2015/05/rolling-again.html


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Re: [RBW] Re: Saluki on it's way back

[Steve Palincsar]

On 05/22/2015 05:55 PM, Tony DeFilippo wrote:


https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-J1I1pIHK7w4/VV-llrMbkxI/HmQ/v-lN75qhtkg/s1600/RAD_7066.jpg

Back on the road!  More to do, especially the fenders, racks and dyno 
lighting but I'm going for a quick ride and doing some Happy Hour to 
ring in the Memorial Day weekend.  Enjoy everyone, happy riding this 
weekend!


http://dr2dc.blogspot.com/2015/05/rolling-again.html



Good job, Tony!


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[RBW] Re: Saluki on it's way back

[Deacon Patrick]

The bottle cage is always the hardest part of the build! Grin. I look 
forward to seeing the build and more forward to ride reports and photos and 
exploits! Grin.

With abandon,
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Re: [RBW] Re: Saluki on it's way back

[Tony DeFilippo]

Nice to have the bike back.  Pictures of the frame on my 
blog; http://dr2dc.blogspot.com/2015/05/the-salukis-back.html .  I'm happy 
with the color and the semi-flat topcoat, I wish the lug window painting 
had a bit more care to it but I'll be able to touch that up myself.  I hung 
the first part on the frame before I got back to work this morning so the 
build is officially started!

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-LbgbJ_JmIYc/VV83Oj0PezI/Hlo/Hz2ebgi9as8/s1600/RAD_7021.jpg

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Re: [RBW] Re: Saluki on it's way back

[Bill]

Looks mighty good. The green and cream brings back fond memories of a Saluki I 
once owned.  Now get it assembled and back on the road where it belongs. That 
first ride will suggest that you should sell all your other bikes and keep this 
one. That's what my Purple People Eater as someone calls it tells me every time 
I ride it.

Bill repeat Saluki offender Eberle
Columbus

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Re: [RBW] Re: Saluki on it's way back

[Ginz]

I'm using a recessed nut on my M-12.  Going to loctite it when I get home.




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Re: [RBW] Re: Saluki on it's way back

[Tony DeFilippo]

Thanks Bill!

Your ears must have been burning I was just thinking about you as I was
loading the XO-3 into the stand to donate some of it's parts to the Saluki
rebuild!  Never fear it will be built back up - back to M-bar's I think.
The Saluki should get a test roll around the neighborhood later tonight.
I've got the HS, BB, crankset and brake calipers installed so far...  once
I harvest the saddle/post, albatross bars and pedals off the XO-3 I'll be
back in business.

I held up the old fork (w/ the original nice green paint) up to the new one
a minute ago and they are pretty close actually.  Just that the new coat
has a dull finish instead of sparkling.

I'd love to see some pic's of the Purple People Eater sometime!

Tony



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 Looks mighty good. The green and cream brings back fond memories of a
 Saluki I once owned.  Now get it assembled and back on the road where it
 belongs. That first ride will suggest that you should sell all your other
 bikes and keep this one. That's what my Purple People Eater as someone
 calls it tells me every time I ride it.

 Bill repeat Saluki offender Eberle
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Re: [RBW] Re: Saluki on it's way back

[Tony DeFilippo]

Just confirmed the frame arrived at home today... Good thing I'm returning from 
a work trip tomorrow morning.  'New' bike day tomorrow!!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Saluki on it's way back

[Tony DeFilippo]

Yes, if you loose the fork crown bolt for some reason and your rack is
loaded the only place for it to go is forward/down onto the wheel or onto
the ground (depending on the strut length).  Both of those have a fully
enclosed hole on the fork crown tab though.  The Berthoud had a curious
feature where the fork crown tab just had a 'U' to house the bolt.  With
that 'U' it meant that even a loose fork crown bolt and not full removal
could result in the rack falling forward.

Lot's of people have used that Berthoud rack w/o problems I'm sure, I did
for nearly a year.  If you check your hardware pre-ride and add a safety
like the Riv toe strap idea I think it's probably good to go.

A Canti stud rack like the M-12 seems to have less potential for something
going wrong in my opinion.



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 Tony,

 Do you think the Nitto M-18 or Mark's Rack share this failure mode?

 rod

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Re: [RBW] Re: Saluki on it's way back

[Tony DeFilippo]

Thanks Bobby, Tim and Minh!  It's going to be pretty sweet.  And yes
Loctite/nyloc will be used wherever applicable! :)

On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 1:46 PM, Montclair BobbyB montclairbob...@gmail.com
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 Glad you're OK, Tony... And if you're gonna build it, might as well do it
 RIGHT!!!  Those are some choice components...  Can't wait to see it back
 together.  BB


 On Sunday, May 17, 2015 at 10:58:48 PM UTC-4, Tony DeFilippo wrote:


 http://dr2dc.blogspot.com/2015/05/re-building-saluki-components-highlights.html

 Component glamour shots as I anxiously await my frame.  After almost 9
 month's I should be less than 2 weeks away from getting the Saluki back out
 on the trails here is the first of what should be several rapid fire
 posts on the build.  Everything is ready and waiting so I expect to have
 her rolling w/in 24hrs of receipt from the powdercoater.

 Today's ride to Port City Brewery in Alexandria on the Bombadil was the
 perfect thing to keep my mind occupied though.  Great weather all around
 here in DC lately and I'm looking forward to getting in several solid
 commuting days this week.  More soon!

 Tony


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Re: [RBW] Re: Saluki on it's way back

[Steve Palincsar]

On 05/19/2015 01:45 PM, Minh wrote:

Hmm nylock bolt would have prevented this?

On Tuesday, May 19, 2015 at 12:58:43 PM UTC-4, Tony DeFilippo wrote:

Yes, if you loose the fork crown bolt for some reason and your
rack is loaded the only place for it to go is forward/down onto
the wheel or onto the ground (depending on the strut length). 
Both of those have a fully enclosed hole on the fork crown tab

though.  The Berthoud had a curious feature where the fork crown
tab just had a 'U' to house the bolt.  With that 'U' it meant that
even a loose fork crown bolt and not full removal could result in
the rack falling forward.
Lot's of people have used that Berthoud rack w/o problems I'm
sure, I did for nearly a year.  If you check your hardware
pre-ride and add a safety like the Riv toe strap idea I think it's
probably good to go.
A Canti stud rack like the M-12 seems to have less potential for
something going wrong in my opinion.




This mishap was an installation failure, not a rack design issue.


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Re: [RBW] Re: Saluki on it's way back

[Rod Holland]

Tony,

Do you think the Nitto M-18 or Mark's Rack share this failure mode?

rod

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Re: [RBW] Re: Saluki on it's way back

[Tim Gavin]

Yes, there is little to go wrong with the M-12.  No moving parts.  It's the
cheapest Nitto front rack, while it's also strong and lovely.  It's a great
option where it fits, and the Sackville Trunksack Small is a perfect match.

Sorry to hear about your crash, Tony.

Tim

On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 11:58 AM, Tony DeFilippo vpi...@gmail.com wrote:



 A Canti stud rack like the M-12 seems to have less potential for something
 going wrong in my opinion.



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 Tony,

 Do you think the Nitto M-18 or Mark's Rack share this failure mode?

 rod



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Re: [RBW] Re: Saluki on it's way back

[Minh]

Hmm nylock bolt would have prevented this?

On Tuesday, May 19, 2015 at 12:58:43 PM UTC-4, Tony DeFilippo wrote:

 Yes, if you loose the fork crown bolt for some reason and your rack is 
 loaded the only place for it to go is forward/down onto the wheel or onto 
 the ground (depending on the strut length).  Both of those have a fully 
 enclosed hole on the fork crown tab though.  The Berthoud had a curious 
 feature where the fork crown tab just had a 'U' to house the bolt.  With 
 that 'U' it meant that even a loose fork crown bolt and not full removal 
 could result in the rack falling forward.
  
 Lot's of people have used that Berthoud rack w/o problems I'm sure, I did 
 for nearly a year.  If you check your hardware pre-ride and add a safety 
 like the Riv toe strap idea I think it's probably good to go.  
  
 A Canti stud rack like the M-12 seems to have less potential for something 
 going wrong in my opinion.
  


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[RBW] Re: Saluki on it's way back

[Montclair BobbyB]

Glad you're OK, Tony... And if you're gonna build it, might as well do it 
RIGHT!!!  Those are some choice components...  Can't wait to see it back 
together.  BB

On Sunday, May 17, 2015 at 10:58:48 PM UTC-4, Tony DeFilippo wrote:


 http://dr2dc.blogspot.com/2015/05/re-building-saluki-components-highlights.html

 Component glamour shots as I anxiously await my frame.  After almost 9 
 month's I should be less than 2 weeks away from getting the Saluki back out 
 on the trails here is the first of what should be several rapid fire 
 posts on the build.  Everything is ready and waiting so I expect to have 
 her rolling w/in 24hrs of receipt from the powdercoater.  

 Today's ride to Port City Brewery in Alexandria on the Bombadil was the 
 perfect thing to keep my mind occupied though.  Great weather all around 
 here in DC lately and I'm looking forward to getting in several solid 
 commuting days this week.  More soon!

 Tony




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[RBW] Re: Saluki on it's way back

[blakcloud]

I am glad to hear you survived the accident. I had something similar with a 
fully loaded porteur rack with Wald basket break at the springboard. I was 
lucky and stayed upright as my bike was like a plow. Then I saw a trick on 
the Riv site of putting a toe strap around the rack and the head tube. This 
worked great when the springboard broke a second time and the strapped held 
it in place. At that point I got rid of both my porteur racks. 

As for your new build, I see you are using a single ring, are you going 
with nine in the back? Second question, are you going to use a chain keeper 
to minimize any chain drops of the front?

Looking forward to seeing your final build. 


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Re: [RBW] Re: Saluki on it's way back

[Tony DeFilippo]

Blakcloud - I've seen that toe strap idea on Riv's site as well and think
it's a good one.  The Berthoud rack was kind of like a Nitto R-14 but for
the front so when it was no longer attached to the fork crown it naturally
was able to swing down/forward.  I'll not use one like that again.
Rigid/non-hinged support struts and a fork crown thru bolt that is integral
to the rack are requirements as far as I'm concerned now.  As for the
single ring, I'm going 8 speed in the back, cheap chains and cassettes,
easier friction shifting and I don't miss the extra gear.  I didn't notice
a problem w/ chain keeping once I went to the WI SS ring, it's not one of
the newer 'wide-narrow' versions but I'll probably skip the chain keeper
unless it becomes a problem.

Thanks Erl and Patrick!

On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 9:55 AM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote:

 Ouch! Glad you're OK. That strap idea is a good one.

 With abandon,
 Patrick

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