Re: [RBW] New bike decision (help!)

[Gregory Harrison]

Thanks so much for the helpful input.  For some strange reason my post
asking for advice took a week to actually appear on the forum; I assume
because it was my first submission, and it had to pass through moderators .

In the mean time, I was finally able to get a hold of Jarrod at Hope
Cyclery, and the dark gold XL Susie leftover - posted on this forum - was
still for sale.  I made a snap decision to snap it up, and it should be
delivered to me early this week.  I’m geeked.

If this hadn’t worked out, I may have gone with a Clem L, and enjoyed it
for whatever terrain versatility it offered.

Meanwhile, the fate of the Krampus (and all of the adolescent risk taking
it engenders) would still be up in the air - and perhaps be the subject of
my next post . . . “When is it time to ride like the fragile old timer you
are?”.

Love being associated with Riv and this bunch.

On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 4:15 PM Christian B-H  wrote:

> Welcome, Gregger!
>
> I have a Platy as my only riv, which I bought as a third option late
> because I missed the Gus boat in Dec 2021 and the Atlantis boat in April
> 2022. I mostly use the Platy for groceries, baby hauling and mixed gravel
> but occasionally ride it on more Rocky Mountain bike trails here in
> Boulder, CO. I KNOW I should be more careful and I USUALLY don’t have a
> problem, but I do almost always accidentally pedal strike on the Platy.
> Neither my Kona Rove nor my Karate Monkey have such a low bottom bracket,
> and my experience generally has been that it’s safer to use the right tool
> for the job.
>
> What I’m saying is, ride the Krampus rigid (and maybe single speed) if you
> want to slow down a bit, and ALSO get  the new Susie or the purple Platy
> you’re fond of. They won’t go unridden!
>
> Happy pondering,
>
> Christian
>
> On Saturday, February 24, 2024 at 1:57:27 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> I’ve not ridden a Platypus but I’ve yet to hear it described as a trail
>> bike. Love, love, love my Clem on & off road but if things get dicey it’s a
>> bit overwhelmed with the lower bottom bracket - compared to my Gus. The Gus
>> or the new Susie (get one! Run do not walk!) are singletrack machines. Yes
>> they are good for other duties as well but are conceived & built to be
>> mountain bikes. I am blown away by it on rough, rooty & slightly rocky
>> singletrack. It is every bit the mountain bike that a Jones is (I had one)
>> which is of course highly regarded in that category. I’ve yet to experience
>> a pedal strike on the Gus. I’ve had quite a few on the Clem. And I am
>> pretty decent at avoiding them if I do say so. So, IMHO if what you are
>> looking for is a singletrack bike get the new Susie or try to find a
>> leftover one/Gus.
>> FWIW, I am closing on 69 years old & have ditched my full suspension bike
>> in favor of the Gus. As you allude to, I am a bit less aggressive on the
>> Gus vs. the Ibis. I think that’s is smarter at my age. No less fun though.:)
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Feb 24, 2024, at 11:51 AM, Gregger  wrote:
>>
>> Long time listener, first time caller.
>>
>>
>> It's a bit hard to tell if you lovely folks on this forum enjoy or loathe
>> these "help me pick a bike" posts - there are a lot of them - but I really
>> would greatly appreciate your input on my situation.  I bought a Leo
>> Roadini a while back (my first Riv) and love it for pavement and gravel
>> roads.  I now want to look into a trail bike for everything from dirt paths
>> to midwestern single track (grounded and cautious - I'm 62 years).
>>
>> So, I'm torn between a Platypus (love the aesthetics) and a Clem L (the
>> ride experience is evidently sublime?). Or should I wait for the new
>> stouter Susie to arrive (did I mention I weigh 205 lbs?).  I only ride for
>> exercise a couple of hours a day, so no lugging weight on racks or bags . .
>> .  would I overwhelm the Platypus frame in the woods?  Would the Clem have
>> the ground clearance for roots and rocks?
>>
>> Obviously the Susie would be the safe and conservative choice, but I'm
>> not a very patient person (this May? Any guarantees?), and I really do love
>> the purple Platypus available currently.  The Clem L would offer a slightly
>> larger tire clearance, and the low(ish) bottom bracket height would likely
>> be sufficient 94.3 % of the time; and tig welds are just fine with me
>> (sorry for the hurt feelings).
>>
>> Or, a forth option - to be truly difficult, should I keep riding my Surly
>> Krampus in the woods and continue to risk wiping out and injuring myself -
>> it just demands to be ridden with abandon, and I scare myself.  That's my
>> problem I guess, not the bike's.
>>
>> Thank you so much in advance.  I know I've probably left out relevant
>> information, but I've tried to keep this somewhat short.  Fail.
>>
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Re: [RBW] New bike decision (help!)

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks. Jones said he'd email me that OW of the chainstays at the
end-of-cranks position but never did. But research indicates that current
models won't give me the required 160 mm or lower Q and, in fact, after
much measurement and calculation the arithmetical evidence convinced me
that my quadruple goals -- 700C with true 3" width, 160 mm max Q, stays of
non-absured length, and sufficient air between outside knobs and inside
chainstays -- would be possible only with very carefully massaged plate
yoke between bb and chainstays. In the event, for now, I decided that I
don't need the hassle of another custom, and I chose instead to get a
fatter (compared to current 50 mm Soma SV) sandy path wheelset for the
Matthews #1.

As to the Gus, I'm sure it won't take a 622X76 tire, but I still wonder (a)
how fat a tire will it take and, (b) what the *minimum *Q is.

On Sun, Feb 25, 2024 at 7:30 AM Garth  wrote:

>
> Patrick,
>
> The Jones frame is made with a Boost 148 rear spacing which calls for a
> 51-53mm chainline. What this does is move the cassette 3mm further away
> from center. This is done for better tire and FD clearance. When I was
> looking at Jones frames, I read all this and while on the surface it seems
> one would be limited to using boost specific cranks, the obvious question
> arises . what's the difference between a boost crank and it's 51-53mm
> chainline and running a triple crank with either just the outer ring as a
> 1x, as long as you're in the 51-53mm chainline range ? Or, use the triple
> as a 2x with the chainline measured between the rings, given the proper
> length spindle ?  As far as the function, given the same chainlines, there
> is no difference, a 52mm chainline is a 52mm chainline. I see the potential
> issue though would be in using a road crank, to get the chainline out that
> far enough and the arms clearing the stays. This would require an
> appropriate length spindle, and if you're saying say, straight arm cranks,
> you may need a long-er spindle, which of course increases the tread width
> of the crank.
>
> So the first thing to know is the width of the stays where the crank arms
> go.
>
> All that said, Shimano does make a 52mm chainline XTR crank with a 162mm
> tread width, but doesn't list an inside arm width.  Otherwise there are
> lots of boost compatible cranks that are 168mm wide.
> https://bike.shimano.com/en-US/product/component/xtr-m9100/FC-M9100-1.html
> .
>
> I'm not sure how wide the Jones crank or how much clearance there is.
> Someone with a LWB would have to measure theirs.
>
> Also the White Industries Road.VBC crank w/121mm bb = 158mm tread width,
> 51.5mm chainline as a 1X, 47.5mm as a 2X. This might be too narrow to clear
> the stays though, see the specs, plus the measurement of the given frame.
> https://www.whiteind.com/product/square-taper-road-cranks/
>
> https://www.whiteind.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/Squaretapercrankdimensionsimage.jpg
>
> All in all that's the first hurdle to clear, the chainstay width for the
> cranks. Then go from there.
>
>
> As for a new frame for Gregger, I can't say what would work for you as my
> perspective is inherently biased from my own sensibilities.
> On Saturday, February 24, 2024 at 11:29:27 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> This is very interesting; I thought all Riv models except the various
>> road models were "country bikes" but to hear the Gus compared to a Jones
>> would seem to be high praise, from what I read about the Jones (it's one of
>> Bike Snob's keepers in his current bike purge).
>>
>> I just gave away my sole mountain bike -- the much modified Monocog 29er
>> -- in favor of a fatter-tire second wheelset for my Matthews "road bike for
>> dirt,"  but I'll have to consider a Gus if I ever decide to get another
>> mtb. Question: Can you get a =/< 160 mm Q with a Gus? What kept me from
>> getting a Jones was the >160 mm Q.
>>
>> Patrick Moore, also closing in very rapidly on 69, in ABQ, NM.
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 1:57 PM Richard Rose  wrote:
>>
>>> I’ve not ridden a Platypus but I’ve yet to hear it described as a trail
>>> bike. Love, love, love my Clem on & off road but if things get dicey it’s a
>>> bit overwhelmed with the lower bottom bracket - compared to my Gus. The Gus
>>> or the new Susie (get one! Run do not walk!) are singletrack machines. Yes
>>> they are good for other duties as well but are conceived & built to be
>>> mountain bikes. I am blown away by it on rough, rooty & slightly rocky
>>> singletrack. It is every bit the mountain bike that a Jones is (I had one)
>>> which is of course highly regarded in that category. I’ve yet to experience
>>> a pedal strike on the Gus. I’ve had quite a few on the Clem. And I am
>>> pretty decent at avoiding them if I do say so. So, IMHO if what you are
>>> looking for is a singletrack bike get the new Susie or try to find a
>>> leftover one/Gus.
>>> FWIW, I am closing on 69 years old & have ditched my full suspension
>>> bike in 

Re: [RBW] New bike decision (help!)

[Richard Rose]

Patrick, my Jones was a “Jones 29”. This was the Jones “29’er” and came just before the “Jones Plus” bikes, be it LWB or SWB. Mine was a 130 spaced frame front & rear. It was a Diamond frame (not spaceframe) with a unicrown fork (not truss). Quick release axles and a very tight wheelbase. The current Jones SWB is the direct descendant of the Jones 29. I ran this bike with a 29” x 3” tire up front. It could actually take a 26” x 4.5” fatbike wheel! 29” x 2.6” was the most I could fit in the back. If memory serves it had a 73mm bb shell & I had no issues as far as q-factor. I am actually rather sensitive to wide Q & had to sell my fatbike due to it. Maybe the newer boost bikes have a wider Q, not sure.Anyway it was a fantastic mountain bike. It was pretty good at most everything else as well. I had a second set of wheels with 2.25” smoothish tires for commuting / road duties. I never thought I would sell it.But, I got the full suspension bug. And then I got the chance to ride a Clem & bought it - from the same guy who sold me the Jones! I was smitten immediately with the long stays & upright position of the Clem. I loved it so much I just had to get a Gus which has replaced the full suspension bike as my mountain bike. It (Gus) is every bit as capable as the Jones on singletrack - just more comfortable.:)Sent from my iPhoneOn Feb 24, 2024, at 11:29 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:This is very interesting; I thought all Riv models except the various road models were "country bikes" but to hear the Gus compared to a Jones would seem to be high praise, from what I read about the Jones (it's one of Bike Snob's keepers in his current bike purge).I just gave away my sole mountain bike -- the much modified Monocog 29er -- in favor of a fatter-tire second wheelset for my Matthews "road bike for dirt,"  but I'll have to consider a Gus if I ever decide to get another mtb. Question: Can you get a =/< 160 mm Q with a Gus? What kept me from getting a Jones was the >160 mm Q.Patrick Moore, also closing in very rapidly on 69, in ABQ, NM.On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 1:57 PM Richard Rose  wrote:I’ve not ridden a Platypus but I’ve yet to hear it described as a trail bike. Love, love, love my Clem on & off road but if things get dicey it’s a bit overwhelmed with the lower bottom bracket - compared to my Gus. The Gus or the new Susie (get one! Run do not walk!) are singletrack machines. Yes they are good for other duties as well but are conceived & built to be mountain bikes. I am blown away by it on rough, rooty & slightly rocky singletrack. It is every bit the mountain bike that a Jones is (I had one) which is of course highly regarded in that category. I’ve yet to experience a pedal strike on the Gus. I’ve had quite a few on the Clem. And I am pretty decent at avoiding them if I do say so. So, IMHO if what you are looking for is a singletrack bike get the new Susie or try to find a leftover one/Gus.FWIW, I am closing on 69 years old & have ditched my full suspension bike in favor of the Gus. As you allude to, I am a bit less aggressive on the Gus vs. the Ibis. I think that’s is smarter at my age. No less fun though.:)Sent from my iPhone



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Re: [RBW] New bike decision (help!)

[Garth]

Patrick, 

The Jones frame is made with a Boost 148 rear spacing which calls for a 
51-53mm chainline. What this does is move the cassette 3mm further away  
from center. This is done for better tire and FD clearance. When I was 
looking at Jones frames, I read all this and while on the surface it seems 
one would be limited to using boost specific cranks, the obvious question 
arises . what's the difference between a boost crank and it's 51-53mm 
chainline and running a triple crank with either just the outer ring as a 
1x, as long as you're in the 51-53mm chainline range ? Or, use the triple 
as a 2x with the chainline measured between the rings, given the proper 
length spindle ?  As far as the function, given the same chainlines, there 
is no difference, a 52mm chainline is a 52mm chainline. I see the potential 
issue though would be in using a road crank, to get the chainline out that 
far enough and the arms clearing the stays. This would require an 
appropriate length spindle, and if you're saying say, straight arm cranks, 
you may need a long-er spindle, which of course increases the tread width 
of the crank.

So the first thing to know is the width of the stays where the crank arms 
go.

All that said, Shimano does make a 52mm chainline XTR crank with a 162mm 
tread width, but doesn't list an inside arm width.  Otherwise there are 
lots of boost compatible cranks that are 168mm wide.  
https://bike.shimano.com/en-US/product/component/xtr-m9100/FC-M9100-1.html.

I'm not sure how wide the Jones crank or how much clearance there is. 
Someone with a LWB would have to measure theirs.

Also the White Industries Road.VBC crank w/121mm bb = 158mm tread width, 
51.5mm chainline as a 1X, 47.5mm as a 2X. This might be too narrow to clear 
the stays though, see the specs, plus the measurement of the given frame. 
https://www.whiteind.com/product/square-taper-road-cranks/
https://www.whiteind.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/Squaretapercrankdimensionsimage.jpg

All in all that's the first hurdle to clear, the chainstay width for the 
cranks. Then go from there. 


As for a new frame for Gregger, I can't say what would work for you as my 
perspective is inherently biased from my own sensibilities. 
On Saturday, February 24, 2024 at 11:29:27 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> This is very interesting; I thought all Riv models except the various road 
> models were "country bikes" but to hear the Gus compared to a Jones would 
> seem to be high praise, from what I read about the Jones (it's one of Bike 
> Snob's keepers in his current bike purge).
>
> I just gave away my sole mountain bike -- the much modified Monocog 29er 
> -- in favor of a fatter-tire second wheelset for my Matthews "road bike for 
> dirt,"  but I'll have to consider a Gus if I ever decide to get another 
> mtb. Question: Can you get a =/< 160 mm Q with a Gus? What kept me from 
> getting a Jones was the >160 mm Q.
>
> Patrick Moore, also closing in very rapidly on 69, in ABQ, NM.
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 1:57 PM Richard Rose  wrote:
>
>> I’ve not ridden a Platypus but I’ve yet to hear it described as a trail 
>> bike. Love, love, love my Clem on & off road but if things get dicey it’s a 
>> bit overwhelmed with the lower bottom bracket - compared to my Gus. The Gus 
>> or the new Susie (get one! Run do not walk!) are singletrack machines. Yes 
>> they are good for other duties as well but are conceived & built to be 
>> mountain bikes. I am blown away by it on rough, rooty & slightly rocky 
>> singletrack. It is every bit the mountain bike that a Jones is (I had one) 
>> which is of course highly regarded in that category. I’ve yet to experience 
>> a pedal strike on the Gus. I’ve had quite a few on the Clem. And I am 
>> pretty decent at avoiding them if I do say so. So, IMHO if what you are 
>> looking for is a singletrack bike get the new Susie or try to find a 
>> leftover one/Gus.
>> FWIW, I am closing on 69 years old & have ditched my full suspension bike 
>> in favor of the Gus. As you allude to, I am a bit less aggressive on the 
>> Gus vs. the Ibis. I think that’s is smarter at my age. No less fun though.:)
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] New bike decision (help!)

[Bill Schairer]

All interesting.  I just finished a week of gravel riding out of Patagonia 
AZ (highly recommended!) with a friend who is much more of a mountain/off 
road rider than myself.  He was on a Salsa Cutthroat and I was on my 2013 
Atlantis with 50mm tires.  I make no bike recommendations but my buddy 
suggested I get a Surly Krampus for the next time.  He has 4 or 5 various 
off road bikes.  The owner of Patagonia Bikes thought my bike was awesome 
but did comment upon seeing it that he now understood why I described the 
ride as "bumpy." If I were doing a LOT of that riding, I suppose I would 
consider another bike. As it is, at 70, I think my Atlantis will do.  I did 
lag the second half of our longest ride but that was me, not the bike.

Bill S
San Diego

On Saturday, February 24, 2024 at 8:29:27 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> This is very interesting; I thought all Riv models except the various road 
> models were "country bikes" but to hear the Gus compared to a Jones would 
> seem to be high praise, from what I read about the Jones (it's one of Bike 
> Snob's keepers in his current bike purge).
>
> I just gave away my sole mountain bike -- the much modified Monocog 29er 
> -- in favor of a fatter-tire second wheelset for my Matthews "road bike for 
> dirt,"  but I'll have to consider a Gus if I ever decide to get another 
> mtb. Question: Can you get a =/< 160 mm Q with a Gus? What kept me from 
> getting a Jones was the >160 mm Q.
>
> Patrick Moore, also closing in very rapidly on 69, in ABQ, NM.
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 1:57 PM Richard Rose  wrote:
>
>> I’ve not ridden a Platypus but I’ve yet to hear it described as a trail 
>> bike. Love, love, love my Clem on & off road but if things get dicey it’s a 
>> bit overwhelmed with the lower bottom bracket - compared to my Gus. The Gus 
>> or the new Susie (get one! Run do not walk!) are singletrack machines. Yes 
>> they are good for other duties as well but are conceived & built to be 
>> mountain bikes. I am blown away by it on rough, rooty & slightly rocky 
>> singletrack. It is every bit the mountain bike that a Jones is (I had one) 
>> which is of course highly regarded in that category. I’ve yet to experience 
>> a pedal strike on the Gus. I’ve had quite a few on the Clem. And I am 
>> pretty decent at avoiding them if I do say so. So, IMHO if what you are 
>> looking for is a singletrack bike get the new Susie or try to find a 
>> leftover one/Gus.
>> FWIW, I am closing on 69 years old & have ditched my full suspension bike 
>> in favor of the Gus. As you allude to, I am a bit less aggressive on the 
>> Gus vs. the Ibis. I think that’s is smarter at my age. No less fun though.:)
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
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Re: [RBW] New bike decision (help!)

[Patrick Moore]

This is very interesting; I thought all Riv models except the various road
models were "country bikes" but to hear the Gus compared to a Jones would
seem to be high praise, from what I read about the Jones (it's one of Bike
Snob's keepers in his current bike purge).

I just gave away my sole mountain bike -- the much modified Monocog 29er --
in favor of a fatter-tire second wheelset for my Matthews "road bike for
dirt,"  but I'll have to consider a Gus if I ever decide to get another
mtb. Question: Can you get a =/< 160 mm Q with a Gus? What kept me from
getting a Jones was the >160 mm Q.

Patrick Moore, also closing in very rapidly on 69, in ABQ, NM.


On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 1:57 PM Richard Rose  wrote:

> I’ve not ridden a Platypus but I’ve yet to hear it described as a trail
> bike. Love, love, love my Clem on & off road but if things get dicey it’s a
> bit overwhelmed with the lower bottom bracket - compared to my Gus. The Gus
> or the new Susie (get one! Run do not walk!) are singletrack machines. Yes
> they are good for other duties as well but are conceived & built to be
> mountain bikes. I am blown away by it on rough, rooty & slightly rocky
> singletrack. It is every bit the mountain bike that a Jones is (I had one)
> which is of course highly regarded in that category. I’ve yet to experience
> a pedal strike on the Gus. I’ve had quite a few on the Clem. And I am
> pretty decent at avoiding them if I do say so. So, IMHO if what you are
> looking for is a singletrack bike get the new Susie or try to find a
> leftover one/Gus.
> FWIW, I am closing on 69 years old & have ditched my full suspension bike
> in favor of the Gus. As you allude to, I am a bit less aggressive on the
> Gus vs. the Ibis. I think that’s is smarter at my age. No less fun though.:)
> Sent from my iPhone
>

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Re: [RBW] New bike decision (help!)

[DavidP]

As Jim suggests, the Platypus isn't just a pavement bike (it'll actually 
fit 2.2s; mine has 50s and fenders) but, as Richard says, it's also not a 
trail bike. It's a good all-rounder and great on mixed surface, gravel-ish 
rides (and sure, some light singletrack is fair game). But if, as you say, 
you are looking for a bike specifically for "everything from dirt paths to 
midwestern single track" you'd be better suited by the Clem or Susie (and 
personally, I'd go for the Susie) even if you only put slightly bigger 
tires on it.

-Dave

On Saturday, February 24, 2024 at 4:15:27 PM UTC-5 bei...@gmail.com wrote:

> Welcome, Gregger!
>
> I have a Platy as my only riv, which I bought as a third option late 
> because I missed the Gus boat in Dec 2021 and the Atlantis boat in April 
> 2022. I mostly use the Platy for groceries, baby hauling and mixed gravel 
> but occasionally ride it on more Rocky Mountain bike trails here in 
> Boulder, CO. I KNOW I should be more careful and I USUALLY don’t have a 
> problem, but I do almost always accidentally pedal strike on the Platy. 
> Neither my Kona Rove nor my Karate Monkey have such a low bottom bracket, 
> and my experience generally has been that it’s safer to use the right tool 
> for the job. 
>
> What I’m saying is, ride the Krampus rigid (and maybe single speed) if you 
> want to slow down a bit, and ALSO get  the new Susie or the purple Platy 
> you’re fond of. They won’t go unridden!
>
> Happy pondering, 
>
> Christian
>
> On Saturday, February 24, 2024 at 1:57:27 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I’ve not ridden a Platypus but I’ve yet to hear it described as a trail 
>> bike. Love, love, love my Clem on & off road but if things get dicey it’s a 
>> bit overwhelmed with the lower bottom bracket - compared to my Gus. The Gus 
>> or the new Susie (get one! Run do not walk!) are singletrack machines. Yes 
>> they are good for other duties as well but are conceived & built to be 
>> mountain bikes. I am blown away by it on rough, rooty & slightly rocky 
>> singletrack. It is every bit the mountain bike that a Jones is (I had one) 
>> which is of course highly regarded in that category. I’ve yet to experience 
>> a pedal strike on the Gus. I’ve had quite a few on the Clem. And I am 
>> pretty decent at avoiding them if I do say so. So, IMHO if what you are 
>> looking for is a singletrack bike get the new Susie or try to find a 
>> leftover one/Gus.
>> FWIW, I am closing on 69 years old & have ditched my full suspension bike 
>> in favor of the Gus. As you allude to, I am a bit less aggressive on the 
>> Gus vs. the Ibis. I think that’s is smarter at my age. No less fun though.:)
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Feb 24, 2024, at 11:51 AM, Gregger  wrote:
>>
>> Long time listener, first time caller.  
>>
>>
>> It's a bit hard to tell if you lovely folks on this forum enjoy or loathe 
>> these "help me pick a bike" posts - there are a lot of them - but I really 
>> would greatly appreciate your input on my situation.  I bought a Leo 
>> Roadini a while back (my first Riv) and love it for pavement and gravel 
>> roads.  I now want to look into a trail bike for everything from dirt paths 
>> to midwestern single track (grounded and cautious - I'm 62 years).
>>
>> So, I'm torn between a Platypus (love the aesthetics) and a Clem L (the 
>> ride experience is evidently sublime?). Or should I wait for the new 
>> stouter Susie to arrive (did I mention I weigh 205 lbs?).  I only ride for 
>> exercise a couple of hours a day, so no lugging weight on racks or bags . . 
>> .  would I overwhelm the Platypus frame in the woods?  Would the Clem have 
>> the ground clearance for roots and rocks?  
>>
>> Obviously the Susie would be the safe and conservative choice, but I'm 
>> not a very patient person (this May? Any guarantees?), and I really do love 
>> the purple Platypus available currently.  The Clem L would offer a slightly 
>> larger tire clearance, and the low(ish) bottom bracket height would likely 
>> be sufficient 94.3 % of the time; and tig welds are just fine with me 
>> (sorry for the hurt feelings).
>>
>> Or, a forth option - to be truly difficult, should I keep riding my Surly 
>> Krampus in the woods and continue to risk wiping out and injuring myself - 
>> it just demands to be ridden with abandon, and I scare myself.  That's my 
>> problem I guess, not the bike's.
>>
>> Thank you so much in advance.  I know I've probably left out relevant 
>> information, but I've tried to keep this somewhat short.  Fail.
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Re: [RBW] New bike decision (help!)

[Christian B-H]

Welcome, Gregger!

I have a Platy as my only riv, which I bought as a third option late 
because I missed the Gus boat in Dec 2021 and the Atlantis boat in April 
2022. I mostly use the Platy for groceries, baby hauling and mixed gravel 
but occasionally ride it on more Rocky Mountain bike trails here in 
Boulder, CO. I KNOW I should be more careful and I USUALLY don’t have a 
problem, but I do almost always accidentally pedal strike on the Platy. 
Neither my Kona Rove nor my Karate Monkey have such a low bottom bracket, 
and my experience generally has been that it’s safer to use the right tool 
for the job. 

What I’m saying is, ride the Krampus rigid (and maybe single speed) if you 
want to slow down a bit, and ALSO get  the new Susie or the purple Platy 
you’re fond of. They won’t go unridden!

Happy pondering, 

Christian

On Saturday, February 24, 2024 at 1:57:27 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> I’ve not ridden a Platypus but I’ve yet to hear it described as a trail 
> bike. Love, love, love my Clem on & off road but if things get dicey it’s a 
> bit overwhelmed with the lower bottom bracket - compared to my Gus. The Gus 
> or the new Susie (get one! Run do not walk!) are singletrack machines. Yes 
> they are good for other duties as well but are conceived & built to be 
> mountain bikes. I am blown away by it on rough, rooty & slightly rocky 
> singletrack. It is every bit the mountain bike that a Jones is (I had one) 
> which is of course highly regarded in that category. I’ve yet to experience 
> a pedal strike on the Gus. I’ve had quite a few on the Clem. And I am 
> pretty decent at avoiding them if I do say so. So, IMHO if what you are 
> looking for is a singletrack bike get the new Susie or try to find a 
> leftover one/Gus.
> FWIW, I am closing on 69 years old & have ditched my full suspension bike 
> in favor of the Gus. As you allude to, I am a bit less aggressive on the 
> Gus vs. the Ibis. I think that’s is smarter at my age. No less fun though.:)
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 24, 2024, at 11:51 AM, Gregger  wrote:
>
> Long time listener, first time caller.  
>
>
> It's a bit hard to tell if you lovely folks on this forum enjoy or loathe 
> these "help me pick a bike" posts - there are a lot of them - but I really 
> would greatly appreciate your input on my situation.  I bought a Leo 
> Roadini a while back (my first Riv) and love it for pavement and gravel 
> roads.  I now want to look into a trail bike for everything from dirt paths 
> to midwestern single track (grounded and cautious - I'm 62 years).
>
> So, I'm torn between a Platypus (love the aesthetics) and a Clem L (the 
> ride experience is evidently sublime?). Or should I wait for the new 
> stouter Susie to arrive (did I mention I weigh 205 lbs?).  I only ride for 
> exercise a couple of hours a day, so no lugging weight on racks or bags . . 
> .  would I overwhelm the Platypus frame in the woods?  Would the Clem have 
> the ground clearance for roots and rocks?  
>
> Obviously the Susie would be the safe and conservative choice, but I'm not 
> a very patient person (this May? Any guarantees?), and I really do love the 
> purple Platypus available currently.  The Clem L would offer a slightly 
> larger tire clearance, and the low(ish) bottom bracket height would likely 
> be sufficient 94.3 % of the time; and tig welds are just fine with me 
> (sorry for the hurt feelings).
>
> Or, a forth option - to be truly difficult, should I keep riding my Surly 
> Krampus in the woods and continue to risk wiping out and injuring myself - 
> it just demands to be ridden with abandon, and I scare myself.  That's my 
> problem I guess, not the bike's.
>
> Thank you so much in advance.  I know I've probably left out relevant 
> information, but I've tried to keep this somewhat short.  Fail.
>
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Re: [RBW] New bike decision (help!)

[Richard Rose]

I’ve not ridden a Platypus but I’ve yet to hear it described as a trail bike. Love, love, love my Clem on & off road but if things get dicey it’s a bit overwhelmed with the lower bottom bracket - compared to my Gus. The Gus or the new Susie (get one! Run do not walk!) are singletrack machines. Yes they are good for other duties as well but are conceived & built to be mountain bikes. I am blown away by it on rough, rooty & slightly rocky singletrack. It is every bit the mountain bike that a Jones is (I had one) which is of course highly regarded in that category. I’ve yet to experience a pedal strike on the Gus. I’ve had quite a few on the Clem. And I am pretty decent at avoiding them if I do say so. So, IMHO if what you are looking for is a singletrack bike get the new Susie or try to find a leftover one/Gus.FWIW, I am closing on 69 years old & have ditched my full suspension bike in favor of the Gus. As you allude to, I am a bit less aggressive on the Gus vs. the Ibis. I think that’s is smarter at my age. No less fun though.:)Sent from my iPhoneOn Feb 24, 2024, at 11:51 AM, Gregger  wrote:Long time listener, first time caller.  It's a bit hard to tell if you lovely folks on this forum enjoy or loathe these "help me pick a bike" posts - there are a lot of them - but I really would greatly appreciate your input on my situation.  I bought a Leo Roadini a while back (my first Riv) and love it for pavement and gravel roads.  I now want to look into a trail bike for everything from dirt paths to midwestern single track (grounded and cautious - I'm 62 years).So, I'm torn between a Platypus (love the aesthetics) and a Clem L (the ride experience is evidently sublime?). Or should I wait for the new stouter Susie to arrive (did I mention I weigh 205 lbs?).  I only ride for exercise a couple of hours a day, so no lugging weight on racks or bags . . .  would I overwhelm the Platypus frame in the woods?  Would the Clem have the ground clearance for roots and rocks?  Obviously the Susie would be the safe and conservative choice, but I'm not a very patient person (this May? Any guarantees?), and I really do love the purple Platypus available currently.  The Clem L would offer a slightly larger tire clearance, and the low(ish) bottom bracket height would likely be sufficient 94.3 % of the time; and tig welds are just fine with me (sorry for the hurt feelings).Or, a forth option - to be truly difficult, should I keep riding my Surly Krampus in the woods and continue to risk wiping out and injuring myself - it just demands to be ridden with abandon, and I scare myself.  That's my problem I guess, not the bike's.Thank you so much in advance.  I know I've probably left out relevant information, but I've tried to keep this somewhat short.  Fail.



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