Re: [RBW] Re: Locking Up your Riv

[Robert Tilley]

  I don't use my Riv's for errands but lock up my fairly expensive e-cargo bike regularly. I was using a Kryptonite NYC chain which is very heavy but have recently started using a combination of an Abus Bordo lock along with one of the new Tigr steel locks. This is much lighter than what I was previously carrying and so far my bike hasn't been stolen. Both locks have bottle cage mounts but using those would prevent mounting a bottle cage.Robert TilleySan Diego, CA Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device   From: matthewwilliamsdes...@gmail.comSent: July 29, 2020 11:01 AMTo: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comReply-to: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comSubject: [RBW] Re: Locking Up your Riv  





I’m considering two options for a lock-and-chain setup, to be used for locking my bike when I'm at the hardware store, getting groceries, and such.
Option 1: Pewag 7mm Square Security Chain: 6’ length: 4.5 lbs
Option 2:  Pewag 10mm Square Security Chain: 6’ length: 9.9 lbsThe trade-off is weight vs. security. I recently tried a 12mm chain but it was nearly 15 pounds! Two Kryptonite U-locks weigh 8.9 lbs.Thoughts, suggestions, experience? How have other folks have resolved the security-to-weight equation?On Thursday, June 18, 2020 at 8:44:02 AM UTC-7 Adam Leibow wrote:I have several locks including the Bordo I bought from Riv. The Bordo is great since it's more substantial than any cable lock (in that bolt cutters won't be enough to get through it). I use it as the sole lock only in "light" lockup situations (areas I feel safe in and for short periods of time). I live in SF, so usually my lockup situations are "heavy" such that the Bordo is supplementary to at least one U-lock and I have to strongly consider whether I can lock up the bike at all. In summary, it's a great lock whether it's the only lock needed or one of several needed. On Wednesday, May 27, 2020 at 9:04:50 AM UTC-7, Vincent Tamer wrote:So I notice the Abus Bordo came back in stock on the Riv site. Does anyone have any experience with this lock?I've been considering it because I wanted a quick lock up lock for my Clem Smith opposed to my ulock and cable.  I also wanted to support Riv. :)What do you all use in the various conditions that you lock your bike up in?



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Re: [RBW] Re: Locking Up your Riv

[Patrick Moore]

I forgot to add: If this Pewag chain is anything like the "towing chain" I
bought at True Value some years ago, that stuff is hard to cut. The clerk
used an angle grinder but had to finish with a hacksaw, and the one cut
must have taken him 15 minutes. I added one of those shielded Abus padlocks
and sheathed it in a section of old 2" innertube.

My 2' length of towing chain + Abus padlock weighs, IIRC, about 6 lb.

(I just looked for it in my garage to weigh this combination, but it turns
out it's still attached to the bike rack at the Corrales, NM Sprout's some
5-6 miles away where it sits for literally years on end. Must retrieve it.)

On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 12:01 PM Matthew Williams <
matthewwilliamsdes...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I’m considering two options for a lock-and-chain setup, to be used for
> locking my bike when I'm at the hardware store, getting groceries, and such.
>
> Option 1: Pewag *7mm* Square Security Chain
> : 6’
> length: *4.5 lbs*
>
> Option 2:  Pewag *10mm* Square Security Chain
> : 6’
> length: *9.9 lbs*
>
> The trade-off is weight vs. security. I recently tried a 12mm chain
> 
> but it was nearly 15 pounds! Two Kryptonite U-locks weigh 8.9 lbs.
> Thoughts, suggestions, experience? How have other folks have resolved the
> security-to-weight equation?
> On Thursday, June 18, 2020 at 8:44:02 AM UTC-7 Adam Leibow wrote:
>
>> I have several locks including the Bordo I bought from Riv. The Bordo is
>> great since it's more substantial than any cable lock (in that bolt cutters
>> won't be enough to get through it). I use it as the sole lock only in
>> "light" lockup situations (areas I feel safe in and for short periods of
>> time). I live in SF, so usually my lockup situations are "heavy" such that
>> the Bordo is supplementary to at least one U-lock and I have to strongly
>> consider whether I can lock up the bike at all. In summary, it's a great
>> lock whether it's the only lock needed or one of several needed.
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 27, 2020 at 9:04:50 AM UTC-7, Vincent Tamer wrote:
>>
>>> So I notice the Abus Bordo came back in stock on the Riv site. Does
>>> anyone have any experience with this lock?
>>>
>>> I've been considering it because I wanted a quick lock up lock for my
>>> Clem Smith opposed to my ulock and cable.  I also wanted to support Riv. :)
>>>
>>>
>>> What do you all use in the various conditions that you lock your bike up
>>> in?
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Locking Up your Riv

[Patrick Moore]

I think that if I had to carry around 10 lb to keep my bike safe, I'd
invest in a nice-riding beater to use for such errands.

I've been lucky that I've always been able to store my bikes in my office;
in fact, one employer gave me a second, empty office to use as a storage +
changing room, and another had shelves and clothes rack installed for me.
But I've commuted on many beaters, tho I did use a custom Riv for the last
few years, and a custom is still my errand -- groceries and such -- ride.
Presently, I wheel my bike into the stores, and either wheel it up and down
the aisles as my shopping cart, or in smaller stores (True Value), park it
inside near the door. I use my car for trips to box stores.

On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 12:01 PM Matthew Williams <
matthewwilliamsdes...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I’m considering two options for a lock-and-chain setup, to be used for
> locking my bike when I'm at the hardware store, getting groceries, and such.
>
> Option 1: Pewag *7mm* Square Security Chain
> : 6’
> length: *4.5 lbs*
>
> Option 2:  Pewag *10mm* Square Security Chain
> : 6’
> length: *9.9 lbs*
>
> The trade-off is weight vs. security. I recently tried a 12mm chain
> 
> but it was nearly 15 pounds! Two Kryptonite U-locks weigh 8.9 lbs.
> Thoughts, suggestions, experience? How have other folks have resolved the
> security-to-weight equation?
> On Thursday, June 18, 2020 at 8:44:02 AM UTC-7 Adam Leibow wrote:
>
>> I have several locks including the Bordo I bought from Riv. The Bordo is
>> great since it's more substantial than any cable lock (in that bolt cutters
>> won't be enough to get through it). I use it as the sole lock only in
>> "light" lockup situations (areas I feel safe in and for short periods of
>> time). I live in SF, so usually my lockup situations are "heavy" such that
>> the Bordo is supplementary to at least one U-lock and I have to strongly
>> consider whether I can lock up the bike at all. In summary, it's a great
>> lock whether it's the only lock needed or one of several needed.
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 27, 2020 at 9:04:50 AM UTC-7, Vincent Tamer wrote:
>>
>>> So I notice the Abus Bordo came back in stock on the Riv site. Does
>>> anyone have any experience with this lock?
>>>
>>> I've been considering it because I wanted a quick lock up lock for my
>>> Clem Smith opposed to my ulock and cable.  I also wanted to support Riv. :)
>>>
>>>
>>> What do you all use in the various conditions that you lock your bike up
>>> in?
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Locking Up your Riv

[Jay Lonner]

I have one of these. The Achilles’ heel is the very narrow portion of the key 
at its end. There’s not a lot of material there, and I managed to torque it 
right off, leaving the tip in the lock. A locksmith was able to retrieve this 
fragment, but I haven’t used this lock since, reverting to the Abus cable lock 
that Riv is carrying again. 

While I live in a high bike theft area (per my LBS) I suspect that the Riv-ness 
of my Hunq (diagatube, fenders, racks/basket, saddlebag, “obsolete” mechanical 
systems like rim brakes and friction shifting) help it hide in plain sight - by 
contemporary standards there’s nothing to attract the attention of the sort of 
professional bike thieves that can defeat pretty much any lock. 

Jay Lonner
Bellingham, WA

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> On Jun 2, 2020, at 1:38 PM, 'Steven Seelig' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> A second for the Granit X Plus.  I live in Washington DC and use it along 
> with Pitlocks on my Ram and with the Abus locking skewers on my Sam.  It is 
> heavy-ish, but I'm not racing.
> 
> I also have an Otto Lock for my racy bike when I lock it up for a few 
> minutes.  I could see using the 3 foot Otto on a front wheel and the Granit X 
> on the rear and dispense with the axle locks.
> 
>> On Wednesday, May 27, 2020 at 4:05:48 PM UTC-4, Benz, Sunnyvale, CA wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, May 27, 2020 at 9:04:50 AM UTC-7, Vincent Tamer wrote:
>>> 
>>> What do you all use in the various conditions that you lock your bike up in?
>> 
>> I have a handful of nice locks as I've been trying them out, but I 
>> eventually settled on the Abus Brodo, although mine is the burly Granit 
>> X-plus variant. I like it because it is secure (lock mechanism was 
>> well-reviewed by TheLockPickingLawyer), it is compact when not in use, and 
>> it works well enough for locking my Wilbury up at local grocery stores, 
>> Target, and such. I like it so much that I got my son an identical one for 
>> his new-to-him Atlantis, that he rides to and locks up at school. Note that 
>> I've equipped the bikes that get locked up with Pitlocks, security bolts, 
>> and strategically placed ball bearings locked in with beeswax, so the locks 
>> are only used to secure the frame to whatever immovable object.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Locking Up your Riv

[Robert Tilley]

I typically don't lock up my Riv but I also don't ride it much due to my riding 
being mostly utilitarian these days. My Bromptons get the most use and those go 
into businesses with me. When I need to lock up my E-bike I use a Kryptonite 
NYC chain for the frame and a cable lock for the wheels. This bike also has an 
Abus wheel lock. I used to carry the chain for locking up at work but got tired 
of the weight after a while.

I did just get in on the new steel Tigr lock Kickstarter so I'll be testing 
those out soon hopefully.  I have also used the Kryptonite Evolution long 
shackle lock, Abus Bordo and Master Cuff locks with success. I've never had a 
bike stolen while I had it locked up.

Robert Tilley
San Diego, CA



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I’ve been using a combination of the TiGr mini+ and Otto lock for the past 
couple of years.  Both are excellent for their intended purposes and the tigrs 
are particularly elegant as far as lock choices are concerned (neither is 
“high” security).

And not to hijack but I have (2) tigr minis and *I think* (2) tigr mini plus’ 
leftover from the shop.  $95 & $105 shipped, respectively.  PM me if u have 
interest. 


Alex in Rochester, NY

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Re: [RBW] Re: Locking Up your Riv

[Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles]

I’ve been using a combination of the TiGr mini+ and Otto lock for the past 
couple of years.  Both are excellent for their intended purposes and the tigrs 
are particularly elegant as far as lock choices are concerned (neither is 
“high” security). 

And not to hijack but I have (2) tigr minis and *I think* (2) tigr mini plus’ 
leftover from the shop.  $95 & $105 shipped, respectively.  PM me if u have 
interest. 


Alex in Rochester, NY

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Re: [RBW] Re: Locking Up your Riv

[ANDREW ERMAN]

I use an Abus Bordo Granite (heavy but very well rated) to go thru the
frame and rear wheel and whatever I am locking the bike to, and a Tigr Lock
to lock the front wheel to my frame.  Both locks mount to my frame.  I also
tend toward being over insured.

On Sat, May 30, 2020 at 7:36 AM masmojo  wrote:

> I have used a variety of locks over the years, but now pretty much use the
> Bordo almost exclusively for locking a bike of any value for any time at
> all. As mentioned it is reasonably difficult to defeat, it folds up
> compactly, has a carrier that can be velcro to your bike and isn't too
> awfully heavy.
> When I was commuting to work I  would leave a burly U lock locked to the
> stand so I didn't have to tote it back and forth.
> For quick locking lately I've been using a super mini U-lock by Odessey.
> It's only big enough to get around a frame tube a stair rail or some other
> 2" pipe, but it's made out of aluminum and it's super light. Likely quickly
> defeated with bolt cutters, but for a quick stop it'll deter all but the
> more sophisticated crooks.
> Typically my Rivendells and other super nice bikes are not left in "risky"
> locations.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Locking Up your Riv

[Brian Oldham]

My best lock , above Abus even is a German lock called Tex-Lock. Made of
steel and carbon fibers. Heavy but really good

Brian

On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 11:25 AM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> I agree with Shoji, my Bordo was kinda fiddly and I ended up selling cheap
> to someone. I prefer my Ottolock for a quick, lightweight "run into the
> store" lock.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Locking Up your Riv

[Joe Bernard]

I agree with Shoji, my Bordo was kinda fiddly and I ended up selling cheap to 
someone. I prefer my Ottolock for a quick, lightweight "run into the store" 
lock. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Locking Up your Riv

[Robert Gardner]

This is a good thread --

On my Quickbeam, I use a locker on my front and rear wheel, which gives me
a bit more piece of mind -- and is pretty bomb proof. Additionally, I use a
Kryptonite U-lock between rear wheel and frame. I live in DC and this has
been a pretty good solution.

For my Roadini, I rarely leave that outside unwatched, as it's my "road"
bike (whatever that means) -- I uses an Abus Bordo LIte 60cm -- it is light
and fits well for easy locking (if I run in to get coffee or whatever).

- rg in DC

On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 2:00 PM Shoji Takahashi 
wrote:

> Hi Vincent,
> I have Abus Bordo and Kryptonite U (short and regular-- I can't remember
> the particular model names).
>
> I prefer the Kryptonite U locks, as they are much easier and faster to
> lock up a bicycle. I was attracted to the folding mechanism as a compact,
> easy way to lock up. Bordo is compact, but fiddly. The rivet-construction
> means that it is not quite as easy to manipulate around bike racks/poles as
> I imagined. Threading Bordo through wheel+frame+rack can be frustrating,
> when I know a regular U lock would be straightforward/easy.
>
> I lock up in Boston area. I have pitlocks on my seat post and wheels. I
> don't worry about my wheels getting stolen and sometimes lock only the
> frame to bike rack.
>
> (My criticism of Bordo is on usability. For my purposes, I think it's
> approx equivalent protection as U lock.)
>
> Good luck!
> shoji
> Arlington MA
>
>
> On Wednesday, May 27, 2020 at 12:04:50 PM UTC-4, Vincent Tamer wrote:
>>
>> So I notice the Abus Bordo came back in stock on the Riv site. Does
>> anyone have any experience with this lock?
>>
>> I've been considering it because I wanted a quick lock up lock for my
>> Clem Smith opposed to my ulock and cable.  I also wanted to support Riv. :)
>>
>>
>> What do you all use in the various conditions that you lock your bike up
>> in?
>>
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