Re: [RBW] Re: RBW style bike security
I'm debating where to leave it -- perhaps at the nearest Sunflower market which I ride to 1X a week or so. It's about as small as I can make it without compromising use or (wrt lock) security, but at 3lb 3 oz it's a lb heavier than a large Kryptonite. On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 7:29 PM, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Right crafty of you Patrick. Abus level security at a fraction of the price. I wouldn't be surprised if this turned out more rugged than many a rack or pole you attach it to. The only thing more secure will be when someone figures out how to duplicate the alloy Predator used for its lances. As I recall in Predator 2 some scientist said it more hard than any known metal yet was remarkably light. On Jan 28, 4:12 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: I have a $50 or so Krypto U lock that I bought a few months ago, but after seeing the video I went to the nearby True Value and got a 20 length of their towing chain and a bolt-cutter resistant padlock, all for $27 or so. With a length of innertube to cover the chain, the ensemble weighs 3 lb 3 oz, and is just long enough to wrap around the front wheel and down tube of one of my customs and have length to spare for a narrow post. (These Rivs have small wheels, and since there is a larger gap between rim and dt, the chain has to be a few inches longer than for a comparable 622 bike.) The shop man spent a good 15 minutes cutting my length; he got most of the way through, more quickly, with a bench grinder, but had to finish the last few mm with a hacksaw. I should have tipped him. On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 10:48 PM, Michael Richters michael.richt...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 5:07 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: The chain is very heavy and the man had to cut it with a grinder -- he claimed that a bolt cutter will not get through it. Can anyone tell me how secure such chains *really* are? And how such locks stand up to thievery? There are some videos here that might help you decide how secure your chain is: http://www.almax-security-chains.co.uk/ They are selling something, but the videos are still fairly impressive. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com CHAIN LOCK.jpg 56KViewDownload -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: RBW style bike security
Mike -- I'm by no means a security expert and, in fact, even as a layman I have relatively little experience because for the last 20+ years I've been fortunate to have been able to park my bikes in my offices (and now, I work from home). So I'm really playing this by the seat of my pants (that may be a grossly mixed metaphor -- hear out of my ass? Anyway ...) but for my purpose -- short term parking of expensive, custom Riv outside well trafficked grocery store in decent area, for example -- it ought to be very adequate and it is cheaper than buying a Krypto mini. I suppose you could smash the padlock with a sledgehammer, but in use I think the ensemble would hang off the downtube, held in place by the relatively tight link it makes between downtube and whatever post I use, so that a thief could not get a good blow in, even if he had the privacy to do so. I expect a Sawzall could get through the chain, but again, with a lot of noise, the need for a second person to hold the chain steady, and at least more time than required to slice through a U with a bolt cutter. But then a Sawzall could get thru any lock with the right postioning, no? I expect it is as good as the Krypto Mini 5 which K says is the choice of bike messengers) and goes for about $50; is it as good as the K NY Fuggedaboutit mini, which one site claimed withstood the leverage of 25+ stone of two guys hanging off the shackle on a 4.5' bar and which costs over $100. On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 11:56 AM, Mike S mikeshalj...@gmail.com wrote: Patrick, I am really intrigued by this method you've come up with, especially after seeing that video of the not-so magnificent 7. While I doubt there are too many bicycle thieves walking around with 4-foot boltcutters, it's clear your cheapo solution is better than those pricey locks. The one concern I have is the weak link of that setup, which is obviously the cutter-resistant padlock. Even if boltcutters can't mess with that, is there another common tool that could easily break the padlock? This post has made me semi-somewhat-super paranoid about security for my $2500+ RIv, and I don't know what to do. Also, has it been confirmed that boltcutters can slice through a kryptonite mini with no problem? That's what I'm using now. The price is quality defect in my thinking says that this $27 solution couldn't possible be good enough, and the $125 Abus Bordo is the best bet because it's fancy German engineering. Obviously, every lock is vulnerable and it's really about deterrence, but alas... On Jan 29, 12:22 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: I'm debating where to leave it -- perhaps at the nearest Sunflower market which I ride to 1X a week or so. It's about as small as I can make it without compromising use or (wrt lock) security, but at 3lb 3 oz it's a lb heavier than a large Kryptonite. On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 7:29 PM, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Right crafty of you Patrick. Abus level security at a fraction of the price. I wouldn't be surprised if this turned out more rugged than many a rack or pole you attach it to. The only thing more secure will be when someone figures out how to duplicate the alloy Predator used for its lances. As I recall in Predator 2 some scientist said it more hard than any known metal yet was remarkably light. On Jan 28, 4:12 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: I have a $50 or so Krypto U lock that I bought a few months ago, but after seeing the video I went to the nearby True Value and got a 20 length of their towing chain and a bolt-cutter resistant padlock, all for $27 or so. With a length of innertube to cover the chain, the ensemble weighs 3 lb 3 oz, and is just long enough to wrap around the front wheel and down tube of one of my customs and have length to spare for a narrow post. (These Rivs have small wheels, and since there is a larger gap between rim and dt, the chain has to be a few inches longer than for a comparable 622 bike.) The shop man spent a good 15 minutes cutting my length; he got most of the way through, more quickly, with a bench grinder, but had to finish the last few mm with a hacksaw. I should have tipped him. On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 10:48 PM, Michael Richters michael.richt...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 5:07 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: The chain is very heavy and the man had to cut it with a grinder -- he claimed that a bolt cutter will not get through it. Can anyone tell me how secure such chains *really* are? And how such locks stand up to thievery? There are some videos here that might help you decide how secure your chain is: http://www.almax-security-chains.co.uk/ They are selling something, but the videos are still fairly impressive. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group,
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...and the abus monobloc like this: http://bs0.hl-hosting.hu/ter/abus_winner_chain_92w65_lanc_lakat-402.jpg On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 1:25 PM, omnigrid omnig...@gmail.com wrote: I like this abus padlock: http://www.bikeregistry.com/estore/product_info.php?products_id=55osCsid=832d37331810725de9d718c1f60aefb0 the kryptonite fah mini u-lock can be had on ebay for about 60 bucks w/ free shipping. On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 1:11 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.comwrote: Mike -- I'm by no means a security expert and, in fact, even as a layman I have relatively little experience because for the last 20+ years I've been fortunate to have been able to park my bikes in my offices (and now, I work from home). So I'm really playing this by the seat of my pants (that may be a grossly mixed metaphor -- hear out of my ass? Anyway ...) but for my purpose -- short term parking of expensive, custom Riv outside well trafficked grocery store in decent area, for example -- it ought to be very adequate and it is cheaper than buying a Krypto mini. I suppose you could smash the padlock with a sledgehammer, but in use I think the ensemble would hang off the downtube, held in place by the relatively tight link it makes between downtube and whatever post I use, so that a thief could not get a good blow in, even if he had the privacy to do so. I expect a Sawzall could get through the chain, but again, with a lot of noise, the need for a second person to hold the chain steady, and at least more time than required to slice through a U with a bolt cutter. But then a Sawzall could get thru any lock with the right postioning, no? I expect it is as good as the Krypto Mini 5 which K says is the choice of bike messengers) and goes for about $50; is it as good as the K NY Fuggedaboutit mini, which one site claimed withstood the leverage of 25+ stone of two guys hanging off the shackle on a 4.5' bar and which costs over $100. On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 11:56 AM, Mike S mikeshalj...@gmail.com wrote: Patrick, I am really intrigued by this method you've come up with, especially after seeing that video of the not-so magnificent 7. While I doubt there are too many bicycle thieves walking around with 4-foot boltcutters, it's clear your cheapo solution is better than those pricey locks. The one concern I have is the weak link of that setup, which is obviously the cutter-resistant padlock. Even if boltcutters can't mess with that, is there another common tool that could easily break the padlock? This post has made me semi-somewhat-super paranoid about security for my $2500+ RIv, and I don't know what to do. Also, has it been confirmed that boltcutters can slice through a kryptonite mini with no problem? That's what I'm using now. The price is quality defect in my thinking says that this $27 solution couldn't possible be good enough, and the $125 Abus Bordo is the best bet because it's fancy German engineering. Obviously, every lock is vulnerable and it's really about deterrence, but alas... On Jan 29, 12:22 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: I'm debating where to leave it -- perhaps at the nearest Sunflower market which I ride to 1X a week or so. It's about as small as I can make it without compromising use or (wrt lock) security, but at 3lb 3 oz it's a lb heavier than a large Kryptonite. On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 7:29 PM, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Right crafty of you Patrick. Abus level security at a fraction of the price. I wouldn't be surprised if this turned out more rugged than many a rack or pole you attach it to. The only thing more secure will be when someone figures out how to duplicate the alloy Predator used for its lances. As I recall in Predator 2 some scientist said it more hard than any known metal yet was remarkably light. On Jan 28, 4:12 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: I have a $50 or so Krypto U lock that I bought a few months ago, but after seeing the video I went to the nearby True Value and got a 20 length of their towing chain and a bolt-cutter resistant padlock, all for $27 or so. With a length of innertube to cover the chain, the ensemble weighs 3 lb 3 oz, and is just long enough to wrap around the front wheel and down tube of one of my customs and have length to spare for a narrow post. (These Rivs have small wheels, and since there is a larger gap between rim and dt, the chain has to be a few inches longer than for a comparable 622 bike.) The shop man spent a good 15 minutes cutting my length; he got most of the way through, more quickly, with a bench grinder, but had to finish the last few mm with a hacksaw. I should have tipped him. On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 10:48 PM, Michael Richters michael.richt...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 5:07 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: The
Re: [RBW] Re: RBW style bike security
Thanks -- for some reason, my Mac's Quicktime won't play wmv's. Have downloaded one and will try various apps. On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 10:48 PM, Michael Richters michael.richt...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 5:07 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: The chain is very heavy and the man had to cut it with a grinder -- he claimed that a bolt cutter will not get through it. Can anyone tell me how secure such chains *really* are? And how such locks stand up to thievery? There are some videos here that might help you decide how secure your chain is: http://www.almax-security-chains.co.uk/ They are selling something, but the videos are still fairly impressive. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: RBW style bike security
I watched it; pretty impressive! Thanks. On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 4:07 AM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks -- for some reason, my Mac's Quicktime won't play wmv's. Have downloaded one and will try various apps. On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 10:48 PM, Michael Richters michael.richt...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 5:07 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: The chain is very heavy and the man had to cut it with a grinder -- he claimed that a bolt cutter will not get through it. Can anyone tell me how secure such chains *really* are? And how such locks stand up to thievery? There are some videos here that might help you decide how secure your chain is: http://www.almax-security-chains.co.uk/ They are selling something, but the videos are still fairly impressive. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: RBW style bike security
I've got various locks of various degrees of security scattered about the larger metropolitan area, one of which is a 3' length of super hard chain that I bought from True Value for less than $12, plus shackle protected lock (it has bolsters that slip over the shackle to make it hard for a bolt cutter to fit), all covered in a (multi-patched!) section of innertube. The chain is very heavy and the man had to cut it with a grinder -- he claimed that a bolt cutter will not get through it. Can anyone tell me how secure such chains *really* are? And how such locks stand up to thievery? (The lock is currently looped and lock'd around the pedestal of an outdoor table at our church and the lock mech has successfully resisted about 12 mos of dirt, water, etc. -- for many months it was looped about a tree so that the lock itself was partially buried in the surrounding dirt.) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: RBW style bike security
Good to know; may just get me a few more to scatter 'round the city. Moving on to wholly unrelated matters -- and this is addressed to y'all, not just to JM or MJ: riding home today on my newly Berthoud be-fendered #3 Riv custom fixie, I stopped to piss (it's a perfectly normal word, don't twist the knickers) in the very kindly, CABQ-provided pissoirs at the Alameda/RG Rec Path trailhead. I arrived with another fellow in full kit with road bike. I brazenly rode the Riv on its 200 gram, 22 mm Turbos, over the dirt to the portapissers and did my thing. As I was leaving, I saw fellow cyclist carrying his bike the 60 feet or so back to the pavement of the parking lot before he got back on it. I called out, good naturedly, It will roll! but he didn't seem to get it. I suppose he was afraid of goatheads but heck, my Turbos are more fragile and lighter than anything he can be riding. And one more thing: I've not been on a Riv for a month or so: have not ridden much, and such riding as I've done has been on the Motobecane and the Fargo. For the 100th time, at least, the Riv was, once again, a revelation: fit, fit and fit, not to mention handling -- quicker than the nicely handling Motobecane, with those tiny, 1500 gr wheels, but a wonderful quickness. And it fit so, so so nicely, even to this almost-56-year-old body that is so stiff that it can't get within 5 of its toes (plan to take up yoga soon, God willing). Bars 5 cm below saddle. Thankyou again, Grant. On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 6:44 PM, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Those hardened chains are pretty tough to cut. After the Portland NAHBS there was a video demonstrating how hard it is to cut thick chain with bolt cutters. Some of the wild and crazy Portlanders chained their bikes on a barricade or something the hall managers wanted to keep clear. The video shows a security guard with big honking bolt cutters cutting through some U-Locks as though they were butter. When he gets to the hardened chain he huffs and puffs but cannot blow the chain apart. The down side to hardened chain of course is their weight. Your solution is an elegant one, especially if you leave your bike frequently some place where there is not a lot of competition at the rack. I've thought of doing the same here in Chicago. It would be great to have that level of protection without having to lug the chain and lock around. Problem is unless I beat other riders to the rack, my chain will be under the wheels of a bunch of other bikes and I would have to collect it and go looking for another lock. On Jan 26, 5:07 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: I've got various locks of various degrees of security scattered about the larger metropolitan area, one of which is a 3' length of super hard chain that I bought from True Value for less than $12, plus shackle protected lock (it has bolsters that slip over the shackle to make it hard for a bolt cutter to fit), all covered in a (multi-patched!) section of innertube. The chain is very heavy and the man had to cut it with a grinder -- he claimed that a bolt cutter will not get through it. Can anyone tell me how secure such chains *really* are? And how such locks stand up to thievery? (The lock is currently looped and lock'd around the pedestal of an outdoor table at our church and the lock mech has successfully resisted about 12 mos of dirt, water, etc. -- for many months it was looped about a tree so that the lock itself was partially buried in the surrounding dirt.) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: RBW style bike security
one solution: cut the chain by 2/3 or so (length of a mini u-lock). carry in pannier/handlebar bag/etc. find a shop with a plasma cutter and give 'em a 12 pack of something tasty. these guys will cut the chain to size, if requested: http://www.bikeregistry.com/estore/product_info.php?products_id=54osCsid=84c016be71edc6bb9c1b14ae333a43a3 On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 7:44 PM, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Those hardened chains are pretty tough to cut. After the Portland NAHBS there was a video demonstrating how hard it is to cut thick chain with bolt cutters. Some of the wild and crazy Portlanders chained their bikes on a barricade or something the hall managers wanted to keep clear. The video shows a security guard with big honking bolt cutters cutting through some U-Locks as though they were butter. When he gets to the hardened chain he huffs and puffs but cannot blow the chain apart. The down side to hardened chain of course is their weight. Your solution is an elegant one, especially if you leave your bike frequently some place where there is not a lot of competition at the rack. I've thought of doing the same here in Chicago. It would be great to have that level of protection without having to lug the chain and lock around. Problem is unless I beat other riders to the rack, my chain will be under the wheels of a bunch of other bikes and I would have to collect it and go looking for another lock. On Jan 26, 5:07 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: I've got various locks of various degrees of security scattered about the larger metropolitan area, one of which is a 3' length of super hard chain that I bought from True Value for less than $12, plus shackle protected lock (it has bolsters that slip over the shackle to make it hard for a bolt cutter to fit), all covered in a (multi-patched!) section of innertube. The chain is very heavy and the man had to cut it with a grinder -- he claimed that a bolt cutter will not get through it. Can anyone tell me how secure such chains *really* are? And how such locks stand up to thievery? (The lock is currently looped and lock'd around the pedestal of an outdoor table at our church and the lock mech has successfully resisted about 12 mos of dirt, water, etc. -- for many months it was looped about a tree so that the lock itself was partially buried in the surrounding dirt.) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: RBW style bike security
On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 5:07 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: The chain is very heavy and the man had to cut it with a grinder -- he claimed that a bolt cutter will not get through it. Can anyone tell me how secure such chains *really* are? And how such locks stand up to thievery? There are some videos here that might help you decide how secure your chain is: http://www.almax-security-chains.co.uk/ They are selling something, but the videos are still fairly impressive. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: RBW style bike security
the solid axle pitlocks will not work. different threading. the best option is simply to replace the solid axle with a hollow one -- very simple with a phil hub -- and then use a standard pitlock or locking skewer. On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 5:03 PM, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: If you have a solid axle, you need to go with these: http://www.urbanbiketech.com/category-s/26.htm On Jan 25, 4:52 pm, Minh mgiangs...@gmail.com wrote: So it sounds like the overall consensus is Pitlock to secure the wheels, u-lock to secure the bike with a cable if you need to secure the ancillary stuff. Does anyone know if the pitlock system works with bolt-on hubs? my phil rear has 6MM bolts securing it instead of a QR. Anyone done the switch in this case? On Jan 25, 5:12 pm, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: I use the Abus Bordo here in Chicago: http://www.lockitt.com/Bicycleproducts.htm#Bordo 6100 The Bordo is flexible, allowing me to lock to the most secure structure no matter where I ride. The Bordo holder attaches to water bottle cage bosses, making it very easy to carry. The Bordo is flexible enough that I can usually run it through the front wheel and the bike frame. My theory being a rear wheel with fenders, Pitlock skewer and the derailer make it highly unlikely anyone is going to try and remove the wheel. If the area is dicey enough, I will loop a cable through the rear wheel, saddle and Bordo and lock them all together. I use the German Pitlock skewers Peter White sells, not the VO (there are several other knock off brands as well) knock offs to protect my wheels. Pitlock makes a seat lock device, but it only works with a seat tube collar. On Jan 25, 12:56 pm, Minh mgiangs...@gmail.com wrote: So, still too darn cold outside for me but dreaming of spring. As my Hillborne is my first 'nice' bike in forever i've been thinking about bike lock options strategies. I'm asking the collective because part of me things, hey this is a nice looking bike better protect it. and another part of me is saying hey, this ain't no go-fast flashy bike, it's not a target. so i'm trying to resolve how much i should really worry about locking it up, strategies etc. In the past i've always just used a simple cable lock, but that's been on my cruiser (which while it looks really nice, i didn't consider it a theft risk). As my Hillborne has a few expensive things on it (phil rear wheel, nitto racks, etc) i'm a little more inclined to be more careful, so what are people's approaches? U-lock the rear wheel+bike to post and then cable to the front wheel? dual u-locks? Please keep in mind that i need to carry all the locks as well so something like a kryptonite nyc chain lock is out of the question. If it helps this is for around town riding and that would mostly be in and around Washington DC but mostly the suburbs of DC.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
