Re: [RBW] Where are the Brompton Owners or A Case of the Novembers

[Joe Bernard]

I agree about avoiding folks like that; I haven't been following Bromptons on 
CL much lately and didn't know about that situation. That bike showing up for 
$500 would have been a red flag for me in the first place. 

I got my first (short) ride in after the rain stopped last night, and am very 
impressed. It fits me like a glove, and handled fine with the 
battery-in-Ortlieb-bag on the front. It's possible that the steering may be a 
little quick on this low trail design without a front load, but I didn't try it 
that way. 

The low power assist is perfect for this application: I was able to pedal it 
like a normal bike most of the time, then give it a little throttle on the 
steep parts. I had to drop down to low gear and mash the pedals on the short 
super-steep section just before home to keep the motor from bogging down, which 
was just the amount of "help" I was looking for. My former eCLEM was much more 
powerful, but really too heavy with that big motor/battery to be pedaled 
without the juice. I like that this ingenious little folder is still a bicycle 
first, with a sneaky bit of "tailwind" added in. 

I can see why Riv owners like these things: There's a kindred spirit visible in 
their combinations of utility, character and fun. I like it a lot!

Joe Bernard
Vallejo, CA. 

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Re: [RBW] Where are the Brompton Owners or A Case of the Novembers

[Surlyprof]

Joe,

Thanks for pointing that one out.  I saw the one and their Claret is a fun 
color.  I believe it was the same one that sold for $500 in Oakland about 3 
weeks ago (that sold in 2 hours!).  That one showed up a week later.  I may be 
silly but I hate to knowingly support that kind of profiteering.

John

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Re: [RBW] Where are the Brompton Owners or A Case of the Novembers

[Joe Bernard]

Yep, that's the one. She even delivered it to me in an electric Fiat 500, which 
was very cool. You should take a look at this one in Oakland..6-speed, lovely 
color, you might get that price down a couple hundred bucks. Good luck!

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bid/528322.html

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Re: [RBW] Where are the Brompton Owners or A Case of the Novembers

[Surlyprof]

Joe, 

Did you buy that Brompton on CL in Berkeley?  That was a nice looking bike. 
 Like you, I've admired them for years (my old neighbor had two I used to 
borrow).  I finally have my wife understanding the value of the Brompton 
and the flexibility it gives to public transportation commuting (the 
ability to take it just about anywhere and on anything).  I guess she was 
eyeing a british racing green one in Oakland that was a really nice build 
for my Christmas present.  Unfortunately, it sold.  Now she wants a list of 
my dream Brompton specs so that's encouraging.  N+1 (or, since it's a 
Brompton, N+1/2 maybe? 3/4?)

John

On Thursday, December 8, 2016 at 10:01:48 PM UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> I shall be the owner of a black M3L tomorrow...with an electric kit! It's 
> a low-tech/low-power front wheel motor with a thumb throttle, intended to 
> be an assist on steep stuff or when you're just cold and tired and want to 
> get home. My first Brompton after admiring them for years, it should fit in 
> my little Fiat 500 Abarth just great :)
>
> Joe "a little help, please" Bernard
> Vallejo, CA.
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Where are the Brompton Owners or A Case of the Novembers

[Joe Bernard]

Oh I'll use it. Most people who try assist like it, so if you're a purist about 
pedal-only then don't get on an ebike ;) At 43 pounds I wouldn't want to lug it 
all over a train station every day, but that's not what I bought it for. It 
just arrived and I disconnected the front bag-with-battery and took it 
upstairs, then came back down for the bike. With just the motor weight, it 
isn't much heavier to carry than my Appaloosa with stuff in bags and and a full 
water bottle.

The plan is to use it for shopping trips around here, which is basically a 
giant drop down to town, then a giant push back home, plus maybe I'll put it in 
my itty bitty Fiat 500 for a trip to Mt. Diablo occasionally. I've always been 
a pretty slow rider, which has only been aided and abetted in recent years by 
age and lack of riding time, and I just don't have the patience anymore for 
grinding out endless hills; it's the kind of thing that tends to talk me out of 
riding. I'll report back after I've put a few rides on it. 

Slow Joe Bernard
Vallejo, CA.

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Re: [RBW] Where are the Brompton Owners or A Case of the Novembers

[Minh]

Joe,

It will be interesting to see if you end up using the electric portion or 
if you switch back to a normal wheel.  In my short time i haven't seen a 
need for that (but i don't generally see the need for an ebike), especially 
given the tradeoff in weight--which you would feel even more as a % with a 
brompton.  

It's great to see all the overlap between Rivs and Brommies.

  If anyone is considering the Ortlieb O-Bags, Brompton in the UK are 
closing out a few colors and given the weak pound it makes for a good deal 
with a hitch--they will not ship to the US so you'll need to find someone 
to proxy (either bringing it back or can mail it for you).   It looks like 
mail will still run 40 pounds to the US, but even then it's a lot less than 
the US prices.   If that doesn't work for you, i'd still keep an eye on the 
US sources to see if they close out the same bags in the next few weeks.

On Friday, December 9, 2016 at 1:01:48 AM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> I shall be the owner of a black M3L tomorrow...with an electric kit! It's 
> a low-tech/low-power front wheel motor with a thumb throttle, intended to 
> be an assist on steep stuff or when you're just cold and tired and want to 
> get home. My first Brompton after admiring them for years, it should fit in 
> my little Fiat 500 Abarth just great :)
>
> Joe "a little help, please" Bernard
> Vallejo, CA.
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Where are the Brompton Owners or A Case of the Novembers

[Christopher Murray]

Another brompton owner here. And while I do t have anything of substance to add 
I wanted to post because I love it! 

Cheers! 
Chris

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Re: [RBW] Where are the Brompton Owners or A Case of the Novembers

[Joe Bernard]

I shall be the owner of a black M3L tomorrow...with an electric kit! It's a 
low-tech/low-power front wheel motor with a thumb throttle, intended to be an 
assist on steep stuff or when you're just cold and tired and want to get home. 
My first Brompton after admiring them for years, it should fit in my little 
Fiat 500 Abarth just great :)

Joe "a little help, please" Bernard
Vallejo, CA.

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Re: [RBW] Where are the Brompton Owners or A Case of the Novembers

[Benz, Sunnyvale, CA]

Sorry this took a while.

Front
 
view (about the same size as the Brompton carrying frame)


Back
 
view (three mounting bolts – two upper P-clamps and one lower holding bolt, 
all using existing screw holes)


Upper
 
P-clamp (using existing screw holes)



 Lower 
screw (using existing screw holes; may need to file the carrier block 
slight to clear but otherwise leaves attachment mechanism fully-functional)


On
 
bike (front)


On
 
bike (back). Note: if you get a rear saddleback that "hangs", it's entirely 
compatible with the Brompton fold. Riv content: Reflective triangle from 
Rivendell also does not impact fold.





On Thursday, December 1, 2016 at 7:12:17 AM UTC-8, Minh wrote:
>
> Benz,
> Thanks for the detailed response, could you share your DIY Ortlieb bag?  I 
> am accustomed to high bag prices (Rivendell, Berthoud, as well as too many 
> camera bags currently in my closet) but the price for Brompton bags shock 
> even me!  
>
> On Thursday, December 1, 2016 at 12:45:29 AM UTC-5, Benz, Sunnyvale, CA 
> wrote:
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 29, 2016 at 6:33:35 AM UTC-8, Minh wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>- grips-i have the foam ones now, thinking about the ergon ones, 
>>>there seems to be some debate on whether they fit w/o cutting on the M 
>>> bars
>>>
>>> The foam cores are fine and durable. I'm still on my fairly ratty ones 
>> after 8 years of on-n-off commuting on my M3L.
>>
>>
>>>- brake levers-the stock ones feel terrible to me, i'm leaning 
>>>towards some older suntour mt levers
>>>
>>> My Brompton has the old school levers that look like VO City Bike Brake 
>> Levers 
>> ,
>>  
>> except with a plastic body. They're fine for my use.
>>  
>>
>>>
>>>- upgrading the easy wheels/fender wheels, mines a little wobbly. 
>>> i'm also thinking of adding the rack but not for carry capacity but 
>>>instead just to get it more stable folded up and rolling, if i can do 
>>> that 
>>>another way--the EZ Wheel Extender kit?  then i'd prefer not to add a 
>>> rack
>>>
>>> I too thought about adding a rack for rollability. However, after adding 
>> the factory Eazy Wheels, I've not had that thought. Nevertheless, there are 
>> 3rd 
>> party offerings that extend the wheel width-wise 
>> ,
>>  
>> for a more stable platform, even if the factory setup with Eazy Wheels 
>> doesn't really topple over easily.
>>  
>>
>>>
>>>- front bag options, how big is "too" big, which bags are you using? 
>>> C-bag, s-bag, t-bag other?
>>>
>>> Ahhh...if you're a Rivendell bag collector, you may end up with a 
>> substantially smaller bank account with your Brompton. There are all sorts 
>> of bags, from Ortlieb to Brompton's own "Game bag". I have a few (ahem) but 
>> the one I use most is a converted Ortlieb "Office bag", made from an old 
>> Office bag, the stock Brompton carrier and some P-clamps. It's 
>> weather-proof and plenty big enough for my commute into work. My biggest 
>> one is the Demano Brompton bag 
>> , which is 
>> roughly equivalent to Timbuktu's largest messenger bag.
>>
>> I'll like to point out that I don't know why Brompton dealers don't send 
>> testers out with a loaded front bag. Such a setup is significantly more 
>> stable than the "naked" Brompton with its tiny wheels and low trail 
>> geometry (markedly different from most bikes).
>>
>>
>>>- Some of you mentioned going with the dyno option, my two 
>>>Rivendells have dyno-hubs because i never want to worry about having 
>>> lights 
>>>(or worry about charging them) since i need a way to get home, but with 
>>> the 
>>>Brompton, i would just fold it up and call a taxi.   Is it that useful 
>>> to 
>>>have them over a battery light?  But i will stop in at a dealer to look 
>>> at 
>>>how the wiring is run if i do decide to go dyno hub.
>>>
>>> I retrofitted my Brompton with a Schmidt 

Re: [RBW] Where are the Brompton Owners or A Case of the Novembers

[Minh]

Benz,
Thanks for the detailed response, could you share your DIY Ortlieb bag?  I 
am accustomed to high bag prices (Rivendell, Berthoud, as well as too many 
camera bags currently in my closet) but the price for Brompton bags shock 
even me!  

On Thursday, December 1, 2016 at 12:45:29 AM UTC-5, Benz, Sunnyvale, CA 
wrote:
>
> On Tuesday, November 29, 2016 at 6:33:35 AM UTC-8, Minh wrote:
>>
>>
>>- grips-i have the foam ones now, thinking about the ergon ones, 
>>there seems to be some debate on whether they fit w/o cutting on the M 
>> bars
>>
>> The foam cores are fine and durable. I'm still on my fairly ratty ones 
> after 8 years of on-n-off commuting on my M3L.
>
>
>>- brake levers-the stock ones feel terrible to me, i'm leaning 
>>towards some older suntour mt levers
>>
>> My Brompton has the old school levers that look like VO City Bike Brake 
> Levers 
> ,
>  
> except with a plastic body. They're fine for my use.
>  
>
>>
>>- upgrading the easy wheels/fender wheels, mines a little wobbly. 
>> i'm also thinking of adding the rack but not for carry capacity but 
>>instead just to get it more stable folded up and rolling, if i can do 
>> that 
>>another way--the EZ Wheel Extender kit?  then i'd prefer not to add a rack
>>
>> I too thought about adding a rack for rollability. However, after adding 
> the factory Eazy Wheels, I've not had that thought. Nevertheless, there are 
> 3rd 
> party offerings that extend the wheel width-wise 
> ,
>  
> for a more stable platform, even if the factory setup with Eazy Wheels 
> doesn't really topple over easily.
>  
>
>>
>>- front bag options, how big is "too" big, which bags are you using? 
>> C-bag, s-bag, t-bag other?
>>
>> Ahhh...if you're a Rivendell bag collector, you may end up with a 
> substantially smaller bank account with your Brompton. There are all sorts 
> of bags, from Ortlieb to Brompton's own "Game bag". I have a few (ahem) but 
> the one I use most is a converted Ortlieb "Office bag", made from an old 
> Office bag, the stock Brompton carrier and some P-clamps. It's 
> weather-proof and plenty big enough for my commute into work. My biggest 
> one is the Demano Brompton bag 
> , which is 
> roughly equivalent to Timbuktu's largest messenger bag.
>
> I'll like to point out that I don't know why Brompton dealers don't send 
> testers out with a loaded front bag. Such a setup is significantly more 
> stable than the "naked" Brompton with its tiny wheels and low trail 
> geometry (markedly different from most bikes).
>
>
>>- Some of you mentioned going with the dyno option, my two Rivendells 
>>have dyno-hubs because i never want to worry about having lights (or 
>> worry 
>>about charging them) since i need a way to get home, but with the 
>> Brompton, 
>>i would just fold it up and call a taxi.   Is it that useful to have them 
>>over a battery light?  But i will stop in at a dealer to look at how the 
>>wiring is run if i do decide to go dyno hub.
>>
>> I retrofitted my Brompton with a Schmidt dynamo hub and a B Lumotec IQ2 
> Eyc light (battery rear). The wiring is minimal (short fork blades) and 
> don't interfere with the fold at all. If you can spare the cash, just do it 
> because it relieves one from worrying about charging the battery. Plus on 
> the Brompton with its folding handlebar (where one usually puts a battery 
> light), it's useful to not have the light stick out in the folded package.
>
>
>>- Do you carry a lock?  I know that you should be able to take these 
>>into wherever you're going but do you keep a lock in case of emergency? 
>> which one has worked for you?
>>
>> I don't carry a lock with my Brompton and don't see the need to. 
> Everywhere I go, I can just fold and bring it along. I occasionally eat at 
> fancy restaurants in SF, and I just coat-check the thing – the staff is 
> usually so enthralled with it that they are more than happy to deal with 
> it. If I go shopping with it, I just throw it on the cart. So far, I'm 
> batting 1.000 for not needing a lock and not having to need a lock.
>
>
>>- Have you had to carry a 'cover' for the bike folded to take them to 
>>certain places?  I have the brompton bag that covers it but not sure if i 
>>need to carry it around.
>>
>> Nope. People without Bromptons are usually quite surprised by how small 
> and neat it folds, so that positive curiosity works to my favor in not 
> having to disguise it.
>
>
>>- Are the Schwalbe the only tire options--i'm generally happy with 
>>them in the bigger sizes, but just wondering.
>>
>> Brompton has its own line of tires, but I like the Schwalbe Kojaks the 
> best. They roll well and don't 

Re: [RBW] Where are the Brompton Owners or A Case of the Novembers

[Benz, Sunnyvale, CA]

On Tuesday, November 29, 2016 at 6:33:35 AM UTC-8, Minh wrote:
>
>
>- grips-i have the foam ones now, thinking about the ergon ones, there 
>seems to be some debate on whether they fit w/o cutting on the M bars
>
> The foam cores are fine and durable. I'm still on my fairly ratty ones 
after 8 years of on-n-off commuting on my M3L.


>- brake levers-the stock ones feel terrible to me, i'm leaning towards 
>some older suntour mt levers
>
> My Brompton has the old school levers that look like VO City Bike Brake 
Levers 
,
 
except with a plastic body. They're fine for my use.
 

>
>- upgrading the easy wheels/fender wheels, mines a little wobbly.  i'm 
>also thinking of adding the rack but not for carry capacity but instead 
>just to get it more stable folded up and rolling, if i can do that another 
>way--the EZ Wheel Extender kit?  then i'd prefer not to add a rack
>
> I too thought about adding a rack for rollability. However, after adding 
the factory Eazy Wheels, I've not had that thought. Nevertheless, there are 3rd 
party offerings that extend the wheel width-wise 
,
 
for a more stable platform, even if the factory setup with Eazy Wheels 
doesn't really topple over easily.
 

>
>- front bag options, how big is "too" big, which bags are you using? 
> C-bag, s-bag, t-bag other?
>
> Ahhh...if you're a Rivendell bag collector, you may end up with a 
substantially smaller bank account with your Brompton. There are all sorts 
of bags, from Ortlieb to Brompton's own "Game bag". I have a few (ahem) but 
the one I use most is a converted Ortlieb "Office bag", made from an old 
Office bag, the stock Brompton carrier and some P-clamps. It's 
weather-proof and plenty big enough for my commute into work. My biggest 
one is the Demano Brompton bag 
, which is 
roughly equivalent to Timbuktu's largest messenger bag.

I'll like to point out that I don't know why Brompton dealers don't send 
testers out with a loaded front bag. Such a setup is significantly more 
stable than the "naked" Brompton with its tiny wheels and low trail 
geometry (markedly different from most bikes).


>- Some of you mentioned going with the dyno option, my two Rivendells 
>have dyno-hubs because i never want to worry about having lights (or worry 
>about charging them) since i need a way to get home, but with the 
> Brompton, 
>i would just fold it up and call a taxi.   Is it that useful to have them 
>over a battery light?  But i will stop in at a dealer to look at how the 
>wiring is run if i do decide to go dyno hub.
>
> I retrofitted my Brompton with a Schmidt dynamo hub and a B Lumotec IQ2 
Eyc light (battery rear). The wiring is minimal (short fork blades) and 
don't interfere with the fold at all. If you can spare the cash, just do it 
because it relieves one from worrying about charging the battery. Plus on 
the Brompton with its folding handlebar (where one usually puts a battery 
light), it's useful to not have the light stick out in the folded package.


>- Do you carry a lock?  I know that you should be able to take these 
>into wherever you're going but do you keep a lock in case of emergency? 
> which one has worked for you?
>
> I don't carry a lock with my Brompton and don't see the need to. 
Everywhere I go, I can just fold and bring it along. I occasionally eat at 
fancy restaurants in SF, and I just coat-check the thing – the staff is 
usually so enthralled with it that they are more than happy to deal with 
it. If I go shopping with it, I just throw it on the cart. So far, I'm 
batting 1.000 for not needing a lock and not having to need a lock.


>- Have you had to carry a 'cover' for the bike folded to take them to 
>certain places?  I have the brompton bag that covers it but not sure if i 
>need to carry it around.
>
> Nope. People without Bromptons are usually quite surprised by how small 
and neat it folds, so that positive curiosity works to my favor in not 
having to disguise it.


>- Are the Schwalbe the only tire options--i'm generally happy with 
>them in the bigger sizes, but just wondering.
>
> Brompton has its own line of tires, but I like the Schwalbe Kojaks the 
best. They roll well and don't puncture too easily.


>- Are there alternatives for the stock shifter?  it's very kludgy to 
>me, but i'm not sure i would really change gears often enough to change 
> it, 
>i'm use to riding single speed so i may end up using this bike as a single 
>speed with bail-out gearing
>
> My stock shifter has lasted me 8 years without issue. It's not fancy, but 
the Brompton isn't a fancy bike.

A few suggestions:

   1.  I'm on my third set of pedals, both 

Re: [RBW] Where are the Brompton Owners or A Case of the Novembers

[Eric Norris]

I guess I'm thinking of my particular need, which is to get the folded bike 
inside a very tight travel case. It won't go in unless the seatpost is all the 
way down. You're correct that you don't need to push it all the way down if 
it's not necessary to make the bike as small as possible.

--Eric N
www.CampyOnly.com
CampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com
Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy

> On Nov 30, 2016, at 11:34 AM, Minh  wrote:
> 
> Hi Eric,
> 
> I'm not following your point on the seatpost needing to bottom out to achive 
> full fold, if i stop it short to accomodate a seatpost light (say 2 inches), 
> won't there still be enough post down to hold the fold?  I know the seatpost 
> touches the ground when dropped down, but isn't that for stability when 
> standing?
> 
>> On Wednesday, November 30, 2016 at 10:57:46 AM UTC-5, Eric Norris wrote:
>> My Brompton's headlight is mounted on the fork crown, so I suppose you could 
>> put a battery light there, but it would certainly be bigger. As I said, ask 
>> the folks at Clever Cycles.
>> 
>> You could, of course, mount a handlebar light that goes on/off easily.
>> 
>> The full fold requires that the seatpost go all the way down, so anything on 
>> the 'post has to come off. the Brompton taillight mounts to the frame above 
>> the rear brake, where it's protected from hitting the ground when the bike 
>> is folded. 
>> 
>> I'm traveling and have my Brompton with me. I'll post some photos.
>> 
>> --Eric N
>>> 
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Re: [RBW] Where are the Brompton Owners or A Case of the Novembers

[Minh]

Hi Eric,

I'm not following your point on the seatpost needing to bottom out to 
achive full fold, if i stop it short to accomodate a seatpost light (say 2 
inches), won't there still be enough post down to hold the fold?  I know 
the seatpost touches the ground when dropped down, but isn't that for 
stability when standing?

On Wednesday, November 30, 2016 at 10:57:46 AM UTC-5, Eric Norris wrote:
>
> My Brompton's headlight is mounted on the fork crown, so I suppose you 
> could put a battery light there, but it would certainly be bigger. As I 
> said, ask the folks at Clever Cycles.
>
> You could, of course, mount a handlebar light that goes on/off easily.
>
> The full fold requires that the seatpost go all the way down, so anything 
> on the 'post has to come off. the Brompton taillight mounts to the frame 
> above the rear brake, where it's protected from hitting the ground when the 
> bike is folded. 
>
> I'm traveling and have my Brompton with me. I'll post some photos.
>
> --Eric N
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Where are the Brompton Owners or A Case of the Novembers

[Eric Norris]

My Brompton's headlight is mounted on the fork crown, so I suppose you could 
put a battery light there, but it would certainly be bigger. As I said, ask the 
folks at Clever Cycles.

You could, of course, mount a handlebar light that goes on/off easily.

The full fold requires that the seatpost go all the way down, so anything on 
the 'post has to come off. the Brompton taillight mounts to the frame above the 
rear brake, where it's protected from hitting the ground when the bike is 
folded. 

I'm traveling and have my Brompton with me. I'll post some photos.

--Eric N
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Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy

> On Nov 30, 2016, at 7:53 AM, Jay in Tel Aviv  wrote:
> 
> I had roller blade wheels on there for a while.
> When they fell off I bought the EZ wheels.
> 
>> On Wednesday, November 30, 2016 at 5:38:48 PM UTC+2, Minh wrote:
>> Eric--On the lights, would you still need to take off battery lights if you 
>> mounted them in the same spot as the brompton ones?  for the rear light, if 
>> you mount to top of the seatpost would that interfere?  for the front light, 
>> does anyone have feedback on handlebar mounting the front light w/o having 
>> to take it off every time you fold?
>> 
>> Jay--What did you replace the EZ wheels with?  Just skateboard wheels or 
>> something specific for Brompton?  Noticeable difference? 
>> Re: the folding pedals, i'm still trying to figure out when i need to fold 
>> the pedal, is it mainly for when i need to place the bike down on it's side?
>> 
>>> On Wednesday, November 30, 2016 at 9:58:23 AM UTC-5, Eric Norris wrote:
>>> I went with dyno lighting because that's what I like to use on my bikes. 
>>> With the Brompton, it also simplifies the fold--there's no need to take the 
>>> light off the bars or seatpost (taillight) when folding. I had them put an 
>>> Edelux II on, paired with Brompton's own LED taillight, which is quite 
>>> bright. 
>>> 
>>> Someone mentioned long rides and touring, and yes, those can be done with a 
>>> Brompton. The folks a Path Less Traveled have posted a number of videos on 
>>> YouTube showing how they do loaded, multi-day touring on their Bromptons. 
>>> And I have heard (but not seen myself) of riders completing PBP on 
>>> Bromptons. The latter would be a feat, indeed. 
>>> 
>>> --Eric N 
>>> www.CampyOnly.com 
>>> CampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com 
>>> Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy 
>>> 
>>> > On Nov 29, 2016, at 6:33 AM, Minh  wrote: 
>>> > 
>>> > Some of you mentioned going with the dyno option, my two Rivendells have 
>>> > dyno-hubs because i never want to worry about having lights (or worry 
>>> > about charging them) since i need a way to get home, but with the 
>>> > Brompton, i would just fold it up and call a taxi.   Is it that useful to 
>>> > have them over a battery light?  But i will stop in at a dealer to look 
>>> > at how the wiring is run if i do decide to go dyno hub. 
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Re: [RBW] Where are the Brompton Owners or A Case of the Novembers

[Jay in Tel Aviv]

I had roller blade wheels on there for a while. 
When they fell off I bought the EZ wheels.

On Wednesday, November 30, 2016 at 5:38:48 PM UTC+2, Minh wrote:

> Eric--On the lights, would you still need to take off battery lights if 
> you mounted them in the same spot as the brompton ones?  for the rear 
> light, if you mount to top of the seatpost would that interfere?  for the 
> front light, does anyone have feedback on handlebar mounting the front 
> light w/o having to take it off every time you fold?
>
> Jay--What did you replace the EZ wheels with?  Just skateboard wheels or 
> something specific for Brompton?  Noticeable difference? 
> Re: the folding pedals, i'm still trying to figure out when i need to fold 
> the pedal, is it mainly for when i need to place the bike down on it's side?
>
> On Wednesday, November 30, 2016 at 9:58:23 AM UTC-5, Eric Norris wrote:
>>
>> I went with dyno lighting because that's what I like to use on my bikes. 
>> With the Brompton, it also simplifies the fold--there's no need to take the 
>> light off the bars or seatpost (taillight) when folding. I had them put an 
>> Edelux II on, paired with Brompton's own LED taillight, which is quite 
>> bright. 
>>
>> Someone mentioned long rides and touring, and yes, those can be done with 
>> a Brompton. The folks a Path Less Traveled have posted a number of videos 
>> on YouTube showing how they do loaded, multi-day touring on their 
>> Bromptons. And I have heard (but not seen myself) of riders completing PBP 
>> on Bromptons. The latter would be a feat, indeed. 
>>
>> --Eric N 
>> www.CampyOnly.com 
>> CampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com 
>> Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy 
>>
>> > On Nov 29, 2016, at 6:33 AM, Minh  wrote: 
>> > 
>> > Some of you mentioned going with the dyno option, my two Rivendells 
>> have dyno-hubs because i never want to worry about having lights (or worry 
>> about charging them) since i need a way to get home, but with the Brompton, 
>> i would just fold it up and call a taxi.   Is it that useful to have them 
>> over a battery light?  But i will stop in at a dealer to look at how the 
>> wiring is run if i do decide to go dyno hub. 
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Where are the Brompton Owners or A Case of the Novembers

[Minh]

Eric--On the lights, would you still need to take off battery lights if you 
mounted them in the same spot as the brompton ones?  for the rear light, if 
you mount to top of the seatpost would that interfere?  for the front 
light, does anyone have feedback on handlebar mounting the front light w/o 
having to take it off every time you fold?

Jay--What did you replace the EZ wheels with?  Just skateboard wheels or 
something specific for Brompton?  Noticeable difference? 
Re: the folding pedals, i'm still trying to figure out when i need to fold 
the pedal, is it mainly for when i need to place the bike down on it's side?

On Wednesday, November 30, 2016 at 9:58:23 AM UTC-5, Eric Norris wrote:
>
> I went with dyno lighting because that's what I like to use on my bikes. 
> With the Brompton, it also simplifies the fold--there's no need to take the 
> light off the bars or seatpost (taillight) when folding. I had them put an 
> Edelux II on, paired with Brompton's own LED taillight, which is quite 
> bright. 
>
> Someone mentioned long rides and touring, and yes, those can be done with 
> a Brompton. The folks a Path Less Traveled have posted a number of videos 
> on YouTube showing how they do loaded, multi-day touring on their 
> Bromptons. And I have heard (but not seen myself) of riders completing PBP 
> on Bromptons. The latter would be a feat, indeed. 
>
> --Eric N 
> www.CampyOnly.com 
> CampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com 
> Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy 
>
> > On Nov 29, 2016, at 6:33 AM, Minh  
> wrote: 
> > 
> > Some of you mentioned going with the dyno option, my two Rivendells have 
> dyno-hubs because i never want to worry about having lights (or worry about 
> charging them) since i need a way to get home, but with the Brompton, i 
> would just fold it up and call a taxi.   Is it that useful to have them 
> over a battery light?  But i will stop in at a dealer to look at how the 
> wiring is run if i do decide to go dyno hub. 
>

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Re: [RBW] Where are the Brompton Owners or A Case of the Novembers

[Eric Norris]

I went with dyno lighting because that's what I like to use on my bikes. With 
the Brompton, it also simplifies the fold--there's no need to take the light 
off the bars or seatpost (taillight) when folding. I had them put an Edelux II 
on, paired with Brompton's own LED taillight, which is quite bright.

Someone mentioned long rides and touring, and yes, those can be done with a 
Brompton. The folks a Path Less Traveled have posted a number of videos on 
YouTube showing how they do loaded, multi-day touring on their Bromptons. And I 
have heard (but not seen myself) of riders completing PBP on Bromptons. The 
latter would be a feat, indeed.

--Eric N
www.CampyOnly.com
CampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com
Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy

> On Nov 29, 2016, at 6:33 AM, Minh  wrote:
> 
> Some of you mentioned going with the dyno option, my two Rivendells have 
> dyno-hubs because i never want to worry about having lights (or worry about 
> charging them) since i need a way to get home, but with the Brompton, i would 
> just fold it up and call a taxi.   Is it that useful to have them over a 
> battery light?  But i will stop in at a dealer to look at how the wiring is 
> run if i do decide to go dyno hub.

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Re: [RBW] Where are the Brompton Owners or A Case of the Novembers

[Jay in Tel Aviv]

Thinking about this further on my way to work this morning, it seems that 
my explaination applies to total weight (bike + rider), not particularly to 
wheel size. I don't remember enough of the physics of rotating masses to 
know if has merit or not. The bikes do ride very differently, but that 
might not be the right explaination.

Other upgrades that I forgot to mention:
- Cambium saddle
- MKS folding pedals
- EZ wheels
- The sleeve you can get for the seat tube for it stops at the right saddle 
height
- The crosspiece they sell for the M bars for extra rigidity and longer 
life. I don't remember why I wanted it, but it is a useful place to hold 
the bike if you have to walk it (e.g., through the lobby of my office).

Adding a rack to an L Brompton is not straightforward and quite costly.

Hmm, that's a lot of money in a bike that I don't ride every day. My life 
got pretty complicated this year and the Brompton was essential in making 
it work. So, worth it. 

Jay



On Tuesday, November 29, 2016 at 8:16:53 PM UTC+2, Jay in Tel Aviv wrote:

> I hated the stock grips. Quite happy with the Ergons with bar ends. They 
> don't interefere with the fold but do need to be cut. Not at all difficult 
> to do.
>
> I have no problem with the shifters or brakes. Kool stop pads are a 
> noticeable improvement.
>
> I used a Carradice saddle bag for year, moving it from bike to bike as 
> needed. I sprung for a c bag a few months ago and I really like it. So cool 
> how easily it clicks into place. Taxi drivers are impresed. It is biggger 
> than I expected though, and doesn't hold its shape well. Kind of looks like 
> a stuffed pillow case sometimes. Who care? It holds a ton.
>
> I currently have a Brompton tire in front and Marathon plus in the rear. 
> The idea of fixi g a flat in the field scares me. And the tires are light 
> enough anyway.
>
> Finally, a thought on the difference between 700c and 16" wheels. Heavier 
> wheels require more energy input to spin up to speed, but they hold it 
> better. I.e., they have more inertia. The Brompton is easier to get up to 
> speed but doesn't coast as far. You have to add more energy to "top off" 
> the inertia in the wheel since you didn't put as much in to start with. So 
> on a long straight run it should be a wash. But consider the constant stop 
> and go of urban commuting at rush hour. Now the lower inertia means you 
> don't waste as much energy each time you brake. At least that's what I tell 
> the engineers at work when they forget I have gears and insist the small 
> wheel must means I have to pedal more. 
>
> Bikes are fun.
>
> Jay
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Where are the Brompton Owners or A Case of the Novembers

[Jay in Tel Aviv]

I hated the stock grips. Quite happy with the Ergons with bar ends. They don't 
interefere with the fold but do need to be cut. Not at all difficult to do.

I have no problem with the shifters or brakes. Kool stop pads are a noticeable 
improvement.

I used a Carradice saddle bag for year, moving it from bike to bike as needed. 
I sprung for a c bag a few months ago and I really like it. So cool how easily 
it clicks into place. Taxi drivers are impresed. It is biggger than I expected 
though, and doesn't hold its shape well. Kind of looks like a stuffed pillow 
case sometimes. Who care? It holds a ton.

I currently have a Brompton tire in front and Marathon plus in the rear. The 
idea of fixi g a flat in the field scares me. And the tires are light enough 
anyway.

Finally, a thought on the difference between 700c and 16" wheels. Heavier 
wheels require more energy input to spin up to speed, but they hold it better. 
I.e., they have more inertia. The Brompton is easier to get up to speed but 
doesn't coast as far. You have to add more energy to "top off" the inertia in 
the wheel since you didn't put as much in to start with. So on a long straight 
run it should be a wash. But consider the constant stop and go of urban 
commuting at rush hour. Now the lower inertia means you don't waste as much 
energy each time you brake. At least that's what I tell the engineers at work 
when they forget I have gears and insist the small wheel must means I have to 
pedal more. 

Bikes are fun.

Jay

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Re: [RBW] Where are the Brompton Owners or A Case of the Novembers

[Jeremy Tavan]

On Tuesday, November 29, 2016 at 6:33:35 AM UTC-8, Minh wrote:
>
> My other questions are more around living/using Bromptons.  
>
>- Some of you mentioned going with the dyno option, my two Rivendells 
>have dyno-hubs because i never want to worry about having lights (or worry 
>about charging them) since i need a way to get home, but with the 
> Brompton, 
>i would just fold it up and call a taxi.   Is it that useful to have them 
>over a battery light?  But i will stop in at a dealer to look at how the 
>wiring is run if i do decide to go dyno hub.  
>
> I'm a believer in dynamos because you don't have to worry about batteries. 
I figure lighting should be a "utility" - always on, always available. That 
said, I haven't spent on a dynamo wheel for my Brompton yet, because I 
generally just use it for short to-and-from train station rides on 
generally well lit streets. But it's on the list!

>
>- Are the Schwalbe the only tire options--i'm generally happy with 
>them in the bigger sizes, but just wondering.
>
> I know of three common tire choices on Bromptons: The "stock" tires are 
Brompton-branded but I believe made by Kenda. Then there are Schwalbe 
Marathons and Schwalbe Kojaks, the latter being available in either wire 
bead or (exclusively through Brompton?) folding bead. I recently wore 
through the Kenda tires on mine and replaced them with wire-bead Kojaks, 
which were reasonably priced online. It's a startling difference in ride 
quality - I'm very happy with them! Much smoother and more comfortable. 
We'll see how they last!

I definitely see a Brompton as a good "extra" bike for someone with one or 
more real bikes. It wouldn't ever replace my Clem or any of my other nice 
bikes, and it's sufficiently different in terms of use that I don't even 
think of it as an "n+1" sort of decision. It's just portable transportation 
that's convenient and quick.

/Jeremy

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Re: [RBW] Where are the Brompton Owners or A Case of the Novembers

[Patrick Moore]

Dahon owner here, talking about the Dahon-relevant bits.

I own a Dahon Hon Solo, with yuuge 20" wheels, set up with a 68" fixed
gear. 35 mm (32 actual) Kojaks.

Lights: I often use the HS for short distance shopping, since it is my only
bike with clips and straps. I have a decent clip on battery headlight, but
I've just found a Cyo to install with the Sanyo bb generator. I wouldn't
spend the money for a dyno hub, for this bike, but for me, a generator of
some sort IMO is sufficiently convenient if the bike is regularly used
after dark. IIRC, PJW sells an inexpensive but modern-efficient 6 volt
bottle generator that might be the ticket.

Lock: Not me; I just fold and boldly carry inside. It won't fold as small
as a Brompton, but it will fit inside a shopping cart.

Gearing: fixed, of course. The HS was originally ss fw with an absurd gear
of about 52" (IIRC, 44 x 16 X 19" wheel). the 50 X 14 is much better,
though I have a 16 on the flip side which I've never used.

I use mine mostly for short jaunts while waiting for one of my daughter's
lessons; I've ridden it 20 miles, but the moustache bar (road type, with
road lever) hurts my hands much over 10. And it seems that small tires do
drag more than larger ones with the same tires.

The real test of the Dahon's usefulness will be to try and carry it folded
inside a bus. If I can do that, then it will be a truly useful bike, not
just a convenience. Must try this soon; the Blue Line Express to the
university stops nearby, and that stop takes me near enough to the oriental
grocery store, which I never get around to visiting, to make the bike
useful. I'd carry a Timbuktu bag rather than the on/off rack/basket.

On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 7:33 AM, Minh  wrote:

> Hi all, thanks for the feedback, i recognize some longtime posters and had
> no ideas that you were also Brompton owners!  The main thing i'm looking
> for now is feedback on any changes you've made to the stock setup and
> whether you had problems or were they worth it, here are a few i'm thinking
> of (I have a M3L--black):
>
>- grips-i have the foam ones now, thinking about the ergon ones, there
>seems to be some debate on whether they fit w/o cutting on the M bars
>- brake levers-the stock ones feel terrible to me, i'm leaning towards
>some older suntour mt levers
>- upgrading the easy wheels/fender wheels, mines a little wobbly.  i'm
>also thinking of adding the rack but not for carry capacity but instead
>just to get it more stable folded up and rolling, if i can do that another
>way--the EZ Wheel Extender kit?  then i'd prefer not to add a rack
>- front bag options, how big is "too" big, which bags are you using?
>C-bag, s-bag, t-bag other?
>
> My other questions are more around living/using Bromptons.
>
>- Some of you mentioned going with the dyno option, my two Rivendells
>have dyno-hubs because i never want to worry about having lights (or worry
>about charging them) since i need a way to get home, but with the Brompton,
>i would just fold it up and call a taxi.   Is it that useful to have them
>over a battery light?  But i will stop in at a dealer to look at how the
>wiring is run if i do decide to go dyno hub.
>- Do you carry a lock?  I know that you should be able to take these
>into wherever you're going but do you keep a lock in case of emergency?
> which one has worked for you?
>- Have you had to carry a 'cover' for the bike folded to take them to
>certain places?  I have the brompton bag that covers it but not sure if i
>need to carry it around.
>- Are the Schwalbe the only tire options--i'm generally happy with
>them in the bigger sizes, but just wondering.
>- Are there alternatives for the stock shifter?  it's very kludgy to
>me, but i'm not sure i would really change gears often enough to change it,
>i'm use to riding single speed so i may end up using this bike as a single
>speed with bail-out gearing
>
> Chris, small world, i've been eyeing bromptons on ebay for the last few
> months, including a few lacquer ones!  Don't worry i didn't bid on any
> (they were a little outside my budget) so i didn't drive up the price for
> you!  I love how this bike fits in the trunk area of my MINI perfectly!
>
> Finally, i think Bo captured my feelings about riding this bike
> perfectly.  I love riding my Quickbeam or Sam, but a Brompton is a totally
> different feeling it's familiar but different and i really like it.  And
> the fact that it fits into multi-modal trips makes biking more accessible
> for times when i need to drive somewhere first and i can't take my fullsize
> bikes.
>
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Re: [RBW] Where are the Brompton Owners or A Case of the Novembers

[Minh]

Hi all, thanks for the feedback, i recognize some longtime posters and had 
no ideas that you were also Brompton owners!  The main thing i'm looking 
for now is feedback on any changes you've made to the stock setup and 
whether you had problems or were they worth it, here are a few i'm thinking 
of (I have a M3L--black):

   - grips-i have the foam ones now, thinking about the ergon ones, there 
   seems to be some debate on whether they fit w/o cutting on the M bars
   - brake levers-the stock ones feel terrible to me, i'm leaning towards 
   some older suntour mt levers
   - upgrading the easy wheels/fender wheels, mines a little wobbly.  i'm 
   also thinking of adding the rack but not for carry capacity but instead 
   just to get it more stable folded up and rolling, if i can do that another 
   way--the EZ Wheel Extender kit?  then i'd prefer not to add a rack
   - front bag options, how big is "too" big, which bags are you using? 
C-bag, s-bag, t-bag other? 

My other questions are more around living/using Bromptons.  

   - Some of you mentioned going with the dyno option, my two Rivendells 
   have dyno-hubs because i never want to worry about having lights (or worry 
   about charging them) since i need a way to get home, but with the Brompton, 
   i would just fold it up and call a taxi.   Is it that useful to have them 
   over a battery light?  But i will stop in at a dealer to look at how the 
   wiring is run if i do decide to go dyno hub.  
   - Do you carry a lock?  I know that you should be able to take these 
   into wherever you're going but do you keep a lock in case of emergency? 
which one has worked for you?  
   - Have you had to carry a 'cover' for the bike folded to take them to 
   certain places?  I have the brompton bag that covers it but not sure if i 
   need to carry it around.
   - Are the Schwalbe the only tire options--i'm generally happy with them 
   in the bigger sizes, but just wondering.
   - Are there alternatives for the stock shifter?  it's very kludgy to me, 
   but i'm not sure i would really change gears often enough to change it, i'm 
   use to riding single speed so i may end up using this bike as a single 
   speed with bail-out gearing

Chris, small world, i've been eyeing bromptons on ebay for the last few 
months, including a few lacquer ones!  Don't worry i didn't bid on any 
(they were a little outside my budget) so i didn't drive up the price for 
you!  I love how this bike fits in the trunk area of my MINI perfectly!

Finally, i think Bo captured my feelings about riding this bike perfectly. 
 I love riding my Quickbeam or Sam, but a Brompton is a totally different 
feeling it's familiar but different and i really like it.  And the fact 
that it fits into multi-modal trips makes biking more accessible for times 
when i need to drive somewhere first and i can't take my fullsize bikes.  


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Re: [RBW] Where are the Brompton Owners or A Case of the Novembers

[Jay in Tel Aviv]

I have a Sam and a Brompton M6L. The rides ae of course completely 
different. 

Sam - 700c wheels, med/high trail, albas, saddlebag, single speed
Brompton - 16" wheels, low trail, M-bars, 6 speed

I find I go a little slower and tire a little less with the Brompton. Love 
them both.

Not sure what you're looking for. Glad to help if I can. They are both 
great bikes.

Jay


On Monday, November 28, 2016 at 11:18:34 PM UTC+2, Eric Norris wrote:

> Minh:
>
> I’m a Brompton owner, and I’ll be happy to help. But your first call 
> should be to Clever Cycles in Portland OR, which is a huge Brompton dealer 
> (I bought mine from them). They worked with me to make a few changes to a 
> stock bicycle, and I’m sure they will be able to tell you if your plans 
> will work. 
>
> I had them add a dyno hub and a headlight/taillight to mine, none of which 
> interferes with the fold. They even used the stock front rim and spokes to 
> build a wheel on a new dyno hub as a way to save money.
>
> Subsequent to buying the bike, I added a pair of Cane Creek bar-ends (I 
> got the flat “S” bars). They make the bike much more comfortable to ride 
> (more hand positions) and also don’t interfere with the fold.
>
> P.S. Call the components “crude,” but at Brompton prices they’re certainly 
> not cheap! 
>
> P.P.S. I’ve had my Brompton for about a year now without any problems. 
> You’ll like it, but be aware that they take slightly more effort to ride 
> than a standard bike, due to the small wheels. Longest ride on mine so far 
> is about 60 miles.
>
> --Eric Norris
> campyo...@me.com 
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>
> On Nov 28, 2016, at 1:01 PM, Minh  
> wrote:
>
> So i've really struggled with a case of the Novembers (longingly eyeing 
> all the bikes for sale, Bill's Appaloosa, that Ebisu, that Crust, that 
> Rambler) and successfully dodged most of them until a Brompton popped 
> up.  I was reminded of my visit a few weeks ago to a Brompton dealer (just 
> as i was walking by one...) and i was hooked.  I think Brompton should do a 
> kick back program for owners because we attracted a crowd when i went to 
> pick it up and the seller was showing me the fold-unfold-fold.  I have to 
> admit that there is something fun about riding these bikes, the steering is 
> a handful until you get used to it, and some of the components are 
> laughingly cheap/crude but it's a fun ride.  
>
> I think there are some cross-owners of RBW and Brompton, does anyone have 
> a link to an owners group?  I've seen the bromptontalk group on yahoo (too 
> much noise), but looking for a group more similar to RBW.  What i'm hoping 
> to find is feedback/experiences on changes, with so much folding i'm 
> worried about making changes that will then affect the folding mechanism. 
>  I'm thinking of swapping in new grips, levers, maybe a saddle but wanted 
> feedback before i started ordering things.
>
> Thanks for any pointers, I need to go and practice my folding technique, 
> i'm way slower than the videos online!
>
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Re: [RBW] Where are the Brompton Owners or A Case of the Novembers

[bo richardson]

i have one for train or bus trips to seattle and vancouver
the small tires wear out quicker.

i met the cutest irish aussi couple in edison this fall.
they were touring on bromptons.
full kit. they loved them, but were not going coast to coast either.
they had a facebook feed, but i dont do facebook.
i love mine but in a different way than my other bikes.

i had a moulton for a while but kept the brompton. i ordered it with a achmidt.
i got mine in vancouver because the exchange rate was good.
the exchange rate is even better now.
there is a dealein Vanco couver bc. nice folks.
if you order from the states or maybe even from there with a passport you may 
not have to pay  GST which is  real savings.

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Re: [RBW] Where are the Brompton Owners or A Case of the Novembers

[Chris Birkenmaier]

I own 2 Bromptons.  One is the 2015 black edition in white.  I had a 
modified bar installed that splits the difference between an S bar and the 
M.  I recently bought a used M6L on eBay in raw lacquer.  I'm looking to 
have that retrofitted with the new 2017 M bar and shifters.  I'm looking at 
some other mods like the clamps and handles (probably calling them the 
wrong names).  I really like the ride for tooling around on.  Yes it is a 
bit twitchy in handling but I accept that in this bike.  The fold is so 
impressive I can take it anywhere in the car very easily.  I'm also 
interested if there is a Brompton owners site to visit.  I haven't found 
one on the web yet.

On Monday, November 28, 2016 at 5:12:56 PM UTC-5, Jeremy Tavan wrote:
>
> On Monday, November 28, 2016 at 1:18:34 PM UTC-8, Eric Norris wrote:
>>
>> P.P.S. I’ve had my Brompton for about a year now without any problems. 
>> You’ll like it, but be aware that they take slightly more effort to ride 
>> than a standard bike, due to the small wheels. Longest ride on mine so far 
>> is about 60 miles.
>>
>
> I don't think I've ever done more than about 10 miles on either of the 
> Bromptons I've owned. While I love the bikes for train commuting, I really 
> have never adjusted to the way they handle. Can't imagine ever doing 60 
> miles on one - I'm exhausted just thinking about it. You are made of 
> sterner stuff!
>
> If the Brompton parts are too "cheap" there's always the fancy aftermarket 
> bits that SJS Cycles sell. I had a few of their upgraded bits on my first 
> Brompton (which was stolen). I haven't bothered to upgrade my new Brompton, 
> and to be honest I don't really miss any of the fancy bits. Your dynamo 
> headlight idea is of course a good one - all bikes should have dynamo 
> headlights, right?
>
> /Jeremy 
>

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Re: [RBW] Where are the Brompton Owners or A Case of the Novembers

[Jeremy Tavan]

On Monday, November 28, 2016 at 1:18:34 PM UTC-8, Eric Norris wrote:
>
> P.P.S. I’ve had my Brompton for about a year now without any problems. 
> You’ll like it, but be aware that they take slightly more effort to ride 
> than a standard bike, due to the small wheels. Longest ride on mine so far 
> is about 60 miles.
>

I don't think I've ever done more than about 10 miles on either of the 
Bromptons I've owned. While I love the bikes for train commuting, I really 
have never adjusted to the way they handle. Can't imagine ever doing 60 
miles on one - I'm exhausted just thinking about it. You are made of 
sterner stuff!

If the Brompton parts are too "cheap" there's always the fancy aftermarket 
bits that SJS Cycles sell. I had a few of their upgraded bits on my first 
Brompton (which was stolen). I haven't bothered to upgrade my new Brompton, 
and to be honest I don't really miss any of the fancy bits. Your dynamo 
headlight idea is of course a good one - all bikes should have dynamo 
headlights, right?

/Jeremy 

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Re: [RBW] Where are the Brompton Owners or A Case of the Novembers

[Eric Norris]

Minh:

I’m a Brompton owner, and I’ll be happy to help. But your first call should be 
to Clever Cycles in Portland OR, which is a huge Brompton dealer (I bought mine 
from them). They worked with me to make a few changes to a stock bicycle, and 
I’m sure they will be able to tell you if your plans will work. 

I had them add a dyno hub and a headlight/taillight to mine, none of which 
interferes with the fold. They even used the stock front rim and spokes to 
build a wheel on a new dyno hub as a way to save money.

Subsequent to buying the bike, I added a pair of Cane Creek bar-ends (I got the 
flat “S” bars). They make the bike much more comfortable to ride (more hand 
positions) and also don’t interfere with the fold.

P.S. Call the components “crude,” but at Brompton prices they’re certainly not 
cheap! 

P.P.S. I’ve had my Brompton for about a year now without any problems. You’ll 
like it, but be aware that they take slightly more effort to ride than a 
standard bike, due to the small wheels. Longest ride on mine so far is about 60 
miles.

--Eric Norris
campyonly...@me.com
www.campyonly.com
campyonlyguy.blogspot.com

> On Nov 28, 2016, at 1:01 PM, Minh  wrote:
> 
> So i've really struggled with a case of the Novembers (longingly eyeing all 
> the bikes for sale, Bill's Appaloosa, that Ebisu, that Crust, that 
> Rambler) and successfully dodged most of them until a Brompton popped up. 
>  I was reminded of my visit a few weeks ago to a Brompton dealer (just as i 
> was walking by one...) and i was hooked.  I think Brompton should do a kick 
> back program for owners because we attracted a crowd when i went to pick it 
> up and the seller was showing me the fold-unfold-fold.  I have to admit that 
> there is something fun about riding these bikes, the steering is a handful 
> until you get used to it, and some of the components are laughingly 
> cheap/crude but it's a fun ride.  
> 
> I think there are some cross-owners of RBW and Brompton, does anyone have a 
> link to an owners group?  I've seen the bromptontalk group on yahoo (too much 
> noise), but looking for a group more similar to RBW.  What i'm hoping to find 
> is feedback/experiences on changes, with so much folding i'm worried about 
> making changes that will then affect the folding mechanism.  I'm thinking of 
> swapping in new grips, levers, maybe a saddle but wanted feedback before i 
> started ordering things.
> 
> Thanks for any pointers, I need to go and practice my folding technique, i'm 
> way slower than the videos online!
> 
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