Re: [RBW] Which Paul brakes for a Quickbeam or Simple One?

[JohnS]

Thank you Marty for sharing. I'm about to go out and get some orange touch 
up paint for my Quickbeam now. The touring brakes came yesterday and the 
mini-motos should be here later in the week.

JohnS


On Sunday, January 15, 2023 at 11:34:06 AM UTC-5 Marty Gierke, Stewartstown 
PA wrote:

> Ten years ago I had a QB set up  "ALL PAUL" style; brakes 
> (neo-retro/touring), levers, Moon Units, hubs, crankset, seatpost, and even 
> the rack they made for a short time. Wonderful build and fun to ride. Might 
> be fun to do something similar when the RoadUno shows up. 
>
> [image: 7190356252_e623d4ae9f_c.jpg]
>
> Grabbed this shot at a bookstore in the Chicago burbs when Grant was doing 
> his Just Ride book tour and I stopped by. 
>
> [image: 8016747421_ba760b696c_c.jpg]
>
> Marty
>
> On Saturday, January 14, 2023 at 6:58:41 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Thanks; come to think of it, I had a pair of these as well but found them 
>> too cramped. The CC or Tektros were more comfortable but are made from a 
>> lot of plastic.
>>
>> I think I'll stick to my old Dura Ace levers and Paul cantis.
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 13, 2023 at 5:23 PM iamkeith  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> DIa Compe 287V still seems to be readily available.
>>> On Friday, January 13, 2023 at 5:15:26 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 To fully clean and purge all residual nuances for this discussion of 
 the bestPaul brakes for one's bike: Question: What are the several options 
 for long-pull road levers? Long ago it was Tektro and Cane Creek long-pull 
 road levers, and I used both, but that was circa 2012 when I first built 
 my 
 first edition Fargo. Have any other long pull drop bar levers appeared in 
 the last decade? Context: I'd really love to use V brakes on my 2020 
 Matthews, but I would hate to give up my 7410-era DA levers. So I wonder 
 if 
 anyone makes long-pull drop bar levers more like the DAs and less like the 
 CC and Tektros -- which I think were the same brake under different logos? 
 Don't want Travel Agents or similar.

 I expect that in 2023 we have the same options, CC and Tektro, only.

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Re: [RBW] Which Paul brakes for a Quickbeam or Simple One?

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks; come to think of it, I had a pair of these as well but found them
too cramped. The CC or Tektros were more comfortable but are made from a
lot of plastic.

I think I'll stick to my old Dura Ace levers and Paul cantis.

On Fri, Jan 13, 2023 at 5:23 PM iamkeith  wrote:

>
> DIa Compe 287V still seems to be readily available.
> On Friday, January 13, 2023 at 5:15:26 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> To fully clean and purge all residual nuances for this discussion of the
>> bestPaul brakes for one's bike: Question: What are the several options for
>> long-pull road levers? Long ago it was Tektro and Cane Creek long-pull road
>> levers, and I used both, but that was circa 2012 when I first built my
>> first edition Fargo. Have any other long pull drop bar levers appeared in
>> the last decade? Context: I'd really love to use V brakes on my 2020
>> Matthews, but I would hate to give up my 7410-era DA levers. So I wonder if
>> anyone makes long-pull drop bar levers more like the DAs and less like the
>> CC and Tektros -- which I think were the same brake under different logos?
>> Don't want Travel Agents or similar.
>>
>> I expect that in 2023 we have the same options, CC and Tektro, only.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Which Paul brakes for a Quickbeam or Simple One?

[iamkeith]

DIa Compe 287V still seems to be readily available.
On Friday, January 13, 2023 at 5:15:26 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> To fully clean and purge all residual nuances for this discussion of the 
> bestPaul brakes for one's bike: Question: What are the several options for 
> long-pull road levers? Long ago it was Tektro and Cane Creek long-pull road 
> levers, and I used both, but that was circa 2012 when I first built my 
> first edition Fargo. Have any other long pull drop bar levers appeared in 
> the last decade? Context: I'd really love to use V brakes on my 2020 
> Matthews, but I would hate to give up my 7410-era DA levers. So I wonder if 
> anyone makes long-pull drop bar levers more like the DAs and less like the 
> CC and Tektros -- which I think were the same brake under different logos? 
> Don't want Travel Agents or similar.
>
> I expect that in 2023 we have the same options, CC and Tektro, only.
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Re: [RBW] Which Paul brakes for a Quickbeam or Simple One?

[Patrick Moore]

To fully clean and purge all residual nuances for this discussion of the
bestPaul brakes for one's bike: Question: What are the several options for
long-pull road levers? Long ago it was Tektro and Cane Creek long-pull road
levers, and I used both, but that was circa 2012 when I first built my
first edition Fargo. Have any other long pull drop bar levers appeared in
the last decade? Context: I'd really love to use V brakes on my 2020
Matthews, but I would hate to give up my 7410-era DA levers. So I wonder if
anyone makes long-pull drop bar levers more like the DAs and less like the
CC and Tektros -- which I think were the same brake under different logos?
Don't want Travel Agents or similar.

I expect that in 2023 we have the same options, CC and Tektro, only.

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Re: [RBW] Which Paul brakes for a Quickbeam or Simple One?

[JohnS]

Thank you Joe, I'll have to consider the Motolites for my next bike rebuild.

JohnS

On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 10:31:51 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I think there's one call for Motolites in this thread so I'm throwing down 
> a second one. They're great, I love them, they should be the only brakes on 
> all bikes. Is what I'm saying.
>
> On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 6:18:18 PM UTC-8 Philip Williamson wrote:
>
>> On my Quickbeam, the only Paul braking bits I've got are green Moon 
>> Units. I have used the Neo-Retro / Touring setup on another bike, and 
>> switched to Minimotos due to brake judder. I've never had judder on my 
>> Quickbeam. As Mark said, regular road levers work with both minimotos and 
>> cantis. 
>>
>> I love minimotos. They stop great. They look a little funny, since they 
>> aren't symmetrical. Setup was easy. I think you could flip some washers 
>> around to get the noodle side of the brake not to knock the fender. 
>>
>> A Minimoto in front seems like the opposite strategy from a Neo-retro in 
>> front. Paul Tourings are stronger brakes than Neo-retros, and Minimotos are 
>> stronger yet. I doubt in practice you'd notice. 
>>
>> Philip 
>> Sonoma County, Calif
>>
>> On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 3:43:07 PM UTC-8 JohnS wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks everyone for sharing your experiences with Paul brakes. I do like 
>>> the way the brake cable connects to the minimotos, same as a v-brake, no 
>>> cable hanger required. I'm planning to have a small front rack. I'll have 
>>> to make sure the rack tang doesn't interfere with the brake cable as it 
>>> connects across to brake arm. Looks like it wasn't an issue for Patch on 
>>> his QB, just above the fender and below the rack tang.
>>>
>>> JohnS
>>>
>>> On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 12:10:26 PM UTC-5 Minh wrote:
>>>
 another vote for the touring Canti rear/ Neo retro front set up,  
 though one caveat, i recently swapped out front racks, and the new one has 
 a fork tang thats a little higher, requiring a very long straddle cable, 
 braking has been fine but in my mind feels a little less stopping power.  

 On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 11:20:36 AM UTC-5 Patch T wrote:

> John - I like the combination very much, but I don't think it is 
> significantly *better* than other brake set-ups, and do not 
> necessarily champion this set-up over others. I went this route because 
> (a) 
> I, too, felt bad leaving the QB brake stop bridge hanging out all alone, 
> and (b) had another bike that was in need of only one Minimoto (a 92 XO1 
> calipered frame with a 93 XO1 canti'd fork) and after a parts shuffle 
> across 3 (mostly) canti'd bikes, I ended up with one spare Minimoto.
>
> I'll say that the Minimotos and Motolites have a sharper, crisper, 
> more abrupt stopping action than the Touring and/or Neo Retros. That is 
> not 
> to say that the latter pair are 'bad' at stopping - they're marvelous and 
> strong - but the transition feel is slower/smoother. When running a combo 
> of Minimoto front + Touring rear, the difference in brake feel is not 
> funny 
> or weird or all that noticeable. I suppose there's slightly less wheel 
> lock 
> with the Touring out back, but this isn't a dominant factor for me.
>
> I personally would recommend the Touring/Neo Retro for road riding; 
> and Minimotos for more off-road/trail action, and/or/especially in cases 
> where quick-hard-steep stopping is desired. I save my Motolites for my 
> 26" 
> dedicated trail bike. 
>
> Last item - aesthetically speaking (YMMV, don't @ me!)
> Minimotos look sick with knobbies
> Touring/Neo Retro look sick with knobbies
> Touring/Neo Retro look sick with slicks
> Minimotos look just ok with slicks, but sick with 45mm fenders + slicks
>
> Everyone's got different brake feelings and experiences, these are 
> mine, hope they help.
>
> Patch in NYC
>
>
> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 5:50:15 PM UTC-8 JohnS wrote:
>
>> Thank you everyone for the tips/advice. I'm not planning to have a 
>> rear rack on this bike, so the brake arm extension isn't an issue. Also 
>> I 
>> may or may not mount the fenders that I have, my Crust LB-canti has them 
>> so 
>> not a priority to have them on the QB.
>>
>> Patch, so how do you like the touring/minimoto combination? Would say 
>> it was better or as good as other brake set ups?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> JohnS
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 2:56:39 PM UTC-5 Patch T wrote:
>>
>>> I use Paul's Touring on the rear and Minimotos on the front on my 
>>> QB. 
>>> The Minimotos clear a VO Smooth 45mm fender just fine.
>>> I agree that not using the canti stop bridge on the rear is a little 
>>> sad, but one could get creative and mount a light there if you 
>>> 

Re: [RBW] Which Paul brakes for a Quickbeam or Simple One?

[Joe Bernard]

I think there's one call for Motolites in this thread so I'm throwing down 
a second one. They're great, I love them, they should be the only brakes on 
all bikes. Is what I'm saying.

On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 6:18:18 PM UTC-8 Philip Williamson wrote:

> On my Quickbeam, the only Paul braking bits I've got are green Moon Units. 
> I have used the Neo-Retro / Touring setup on another bike, and switched to 
> Minimotos due to brake judder. I've never had judder on my Quickbeam. As 
> Mark said, regular road levers work with both minimotos and cantis. 
>
> I love minimotos. They stop great. They look a little funny, since they 
> aren't symmetrical. Setup was easy. I think you could flip some washers 
> around to get the noodle side of the brake not to knock the fender. 
>
> A Minimoto in front seems like the opposite strategy from a Neo-retro in 
> front. Paul Tourings are stronger brakes than Neo-retros, and Minimotos are 
> stronger yet. I doubt in practice you'd notice. 
>
> Philip 
> Sonoma County, Calif
>
> On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 3:43:07 PM UTC-8 JohnS wrote:
>
>> Thanks everyone for sharing your experiences with Paul brakes. I do like 
>> the way the brake cable connects to the minimotos, same as a v-brake, no 
>> cable hanger required. I'm planning to have a small front rack. I'll have 
>> to make sure the rack tang doesn't interfere with the brake cable as it 
>> connects across to brake arm. Looks like it wasn't an issue for Patch on 
>> his QB, just above the fender and below the rack tang.
>>
>> JohnS
>>
>> On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 12:10:26 PM UTC-5 Minh wrote:
>>
>>> another vote for the touring Canti rear/ Neo retro front set up,  though 
>>> one caveat, i recently swapped out front racks, and the new one has a fork 
>>> tang thats a little higher, requiring a very long straddle cable, braking 
>>> has been fine but in my mind feels a little less stopping power.  
>>>
>>> On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 11:20:36 AM UTC-5 Patch T wrote:
>>>
 John - I like the combination very much, but I don't think it is 
 significantly *better* than other brake set-ups, and do not 
 necessarily champion this set-up over others. I went this route because 
 (a) 
 I, too, felt bad leaving the QB brake stop bridge hanging out all alone, 
 and (b) had another bike that was in need of only one Minimoto (a 92 XO1 
 calipered frame with a 93 XO1 canti'd fork) and after a parts shuffle 
 across 3 (mostly) canti'd bikes, I ended up with one spare Minimoto.

 I'll say that the Minimotos and Motolites have a sharper, crisper, more 
 abrupt stopping action than the Touring and/or Neo Retros. That is not to 
 say that the latter pair are 'bad' at stopping - they're marvelous and 
 strong - but the transition feel is slower/smoother. When running a combo 
 of Minimoto front + Touring rear, the difference in brake feel is not 
 funny 
 or weird or all that noticeable. I suppose there's slightly less wheel 
 lock 
 with the Touring out back, but this isn't a dominant factor for me.

 I personally would recommend the Touring/Neo Retro for road riding; and 
 Minimotos for more off-road/trail action, and/or/especially in cases where 
 quick-hard-steep stopping is desired. I save my Motolites for my 26" 
 dedicated trail bike. 

 Last item - aesthetically speaking (YMMV, don't @ me!)
 Minimotos look sick with knobbies
 Touring/Neo Retro look sick with knobbies
 Touring/Neo Retro look sick with slicks
 Minimotos look just ok with slicks, but sick with 45mm fenders + slicks

 Everyone's got different brake feelings and experiences, these are 
 mine, hope they help.

 Patch in NYC


 On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 5:50:15 PM UTC-8 JohnS wrote:

> Thank you everyone for the tips/advice. I'm not planning to have a 
> rear rack on this bike, so the brake arm extension isn't an issue. Also I 
> may or may not mount the fenders that I have, my Crust LB-canti has them 
> so 
> not a priority to have them on the QB.
>
> Patch, so how do you like the touring/minimoto combination? Would say 
> it was better or as good as other brake set ups?
>
> Thanks,
> JohnS
>
> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 2:56:39 PM UTC-5 Patch T wrote:
>
>> I use Paul's Touring on the rear and Minimotos on the front on my QB. 
>> The Minimotos clear a VO Smooth 45mm fender just fine.
>> I agree that not using the canti stop bridge on the rear is a little 
>> sad, but one could get creative and mount a light there if you preferred 
>> to 
>> run a Minimoto on the rear as well.
>>
>> Patch in NYC
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Which Paul brakes for a Quickbeam or Simple One?

[Philip Williamson]

On my Quickbeam, the only Paul braking bits I've got are green Moon Units. 
I have used the Neo-Retro / Touring setup on another bike, and switched to 
Minimotos due to brake judder. I've never had judder on my Quickbeam. As 
Mark said, regular road levers work with both minimotos and cantis. 

I love minimotos. They stop great. They look a little funny, since they 
aren't symmetrical. Setup was easy. I think you could flip some washers 
around to get the noodle side of the brake not to knock the fender. 

A Minimoto in front seems like the opposite strategy from a Neo-retro in 
front. Paul Tourings are stronger brakes than Neo-retros, and Minimotos are 
stronger yet. I doubt in practice you'd notice. 

Philip 
Sonoma County, Calif

On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 3:43:07 PM UTC-8 JohnS wrote:

> Thanks everyone for sharing your experiences with Paul brakes. I do like 
> the way the brake cable connects to the minimotos, same as a v-brake, no 
> cable hanger required. I'm planning to have a small front rack. I'll have 
> to make sure the rack tang doesn't interfere with the brake cable as it 
> connects across to brake arm. Looks like it wasn't an issue for Patch on 
> his QB, just above the fender and below the rack tang.
>
> JohnS
>
> On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 12:10:26 PM UTC-5 Minh wrote:
>
>> another vote for the touring Canti rear/ Neo retro front set up,  though 
>> one caveat, i recently swapped out front racks, and the new one has a fork 
>> tang thats a little higher, requiring a very long straddle cable, braking 
>> has been fine but in my mind feels a little less stopping power.  
>>
>> On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 11:20:36 AM UTC-5 Patch T wrote:
>>
>>> John - I like the combination very much, but I don't think it is 
>>> significantly *better* than other brake set-ups, and do not necessarily 
>>> champion this set-up over others. I went this route because (a) I, too, 
>>> felt bad leaving the QB brake stop bridge hanging out all alone, and (b) 
>>> had another bike that was in need of only one Minimoto (a 92 XO1 calipered 
>>> frame with a 93 XO1 canti'd fork) and after a parts shuffle across 3 
>>> (mostly) canti'd bikes, I ended up with one spare Minimoto.
>>>
>>> I'll say that the Minimotos and Motolites have a sharper, crisper, more 
>>> abrupt stopping action than the Touring and/or Neo Retros. That is not to 
>>> say that the latter pair are 'bad' at stopping - they're marvelous and 
>>> strong - but the transition feel is slower/smoother. When running a combo 
>>> of Minimoto front + Touring rear, the difference in brake feel is not funny 
>>> or weird or all that noticeable. I suppose there's slightly less wheel lock 
>>> with the Touring out back, but this isn't a dominant factor for me.
>>>
>>> I personally would recommend the Touring/Neo Retro for road riding; and 
>>> Minimotos for more off-road/trail action, and/or/especially in cases where 
>>> quick-hard-steep stopping is desired. I save my Motolites for my 26" 
>>> dedicated trail bike. 
>>>
>>> Last item - aesthetically speaking (YMMV, don't @ me!)
>>> Minimotos look sick with knobbies
>>> Touring/Neo Retro look sick with knobbies
>>> Touring/Neo Retro look sick with slicks
>>> Minimotos look just ok with slicks, but sick with 45mm fenders + slicks
>>>
>>> Everyone's got different brake feelings and experiences, these are mine, 
>>> hope they help.
>>>
>>> Patch in NYC
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 5:50:15 PM UTC-8 JohnS wrote:
>>>
 Thank you everyone for the tips/advice. I'm not planning to have a rear 
 rack on this bike, so the brake arm extension isn't an issue. Also I may 
 or 
 may not mount the fenders that I have, my Crust LB-canti has them so not a 
 priority to have them on the QB.

 Patch, so how do you like the touring/minimoto combination? Would say 
 it was better or as good as other brake set ups?

 Thanks,
 JohnS

 On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 2:56:39 PM UTC-5 Patch T wrote:

> I use Paul's Touring on the rear and Minimotos on the front on my QB. 
> The Minimotos clear a VO Smooth 45mm fender just fine.
> I agree that not using the canti stop bridge on the rear is a little 
> sad, but one could get creative and mount a light there if you preferred 
> to 
> run a Minimoto on the rear as well.
>
> Patch in NYC
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Re: [RBW] Which Paul brakes for a Quickbeam or Simple One?

[JohnS]

Thanks everyone for sharing your experiences with Paul brakes. I do like 
the way the brake cable connects to the minimotos, same as a v-brake, no 
cable hanger required. I'm planning to have a small front rack. I'll have 
to make sure the rack tang doesn't interfere with the brake cable as it 
connects across to brake arm. Looks like it wasn't an issue for Patch on 
his QB, just above the fender and below the rack tang.

JohnS

On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 12:10:26 PM UTC-5 Minh wrote:

> another vote for the touring Canti rear/ Neo retro front set up,  though 
> one caveat, i recently swapped out front racks, and the new one has a fork 
> tang thats a little higher, requiring a very long straddle cable, braking 
> has been fine but in my mind feels a little less stopping power.  
>
> On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 11:20:36 AM UTC-5 Patch T wrote:
>
>> John - I like the combination very much, but I don't think it is 
>> significantly *better* than other brake set-ups, and do not necessarily 
>> champion this set-up over others. I went this route because (a) I, too, 
>> felt bad leaving the QB brake stop bridge hanging out all alone, and (b) 
>> had another bike that was in need of only one Minimoto (a 92 XO1 calipered 
>> frame with a 93 XO1 canti'd fork) and after a parts shuffle across 3 
>> (mostly) canti'd bikes, I ended up with one spare Minimoto.
>>
>> I'll say that the Minimotos and Motolites have a sharper, crisper, more 
>> abrupt stopping action than the Touring and/or Neo Retros. That is not to 
>> say that the latter pair are 'bad' at stopping - they're marvelous and 
>> strong - but the transition feel is slower/smoother. When running a combo 
>> of Minimoto front + Touring rear, the difference in brake feel is not funny 
>> or weird or all that noticeable. I suppose there's slightly less wheel lock 
>> with the Touring out back, but this isn't a dominant factor for me.
>>
>> I personally would recommend the Touring/Neo Retro for road riding; and 
>> Minimotos for more off-road/trail action, and/or/especially in cases where 
>> quick-hard-steep stopping is desired. I save my Motolites for my 26" 
>> dedicated trail bike. 
>>
>> Last item - aesthetically speaking (YMMV, don't @ me!)
>> Minimotos look sick with knobbies
>> Touring/Neo Retro look sick with knobbies
>> Touring/Neo Retro look sick with slicks
>> Minimotos look just ok with slicks, but sick with 45mm fenders + slicks
>>
>> Everyone's got different brake feelings and experiences, these are mine, 
>> hope they help.
>>
>> Patch in NYC
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 5:50:15 PM UTC-8 JohnS wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you everyone for the tips/advice. I'm not planning to have a rear 
>>> rack on this bike, so the brake arm extension isn't an issue. Also I may or 
>>> may not mount the fenders that I have, my Crust LB-canti has them so not a 
>>> priority to have them on the QB.
>>>
>>> Patch, so how do you like the touring/minimoto combination? Would say it 
>>> was better or as good as other brake set ups?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> JohnS
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 2:56:39 PM UTC-5 Patch T wrote:
>>>
 I use Paul's Touring on the rear and Minimotos on the front on my QB. 
 The Minimotos clear a VO Smooth 45mm fender just fine.
 I agree that not using the canti stop bridge on the rear is a little 
 sad, but one could get creative and mount a light there if you preferred 
 to 
 run a Minimoto on the rear as well.

 Patch in NYC

>>>

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Re: [RBW] Which Paul brakes for a Quickbeam or Simple One?

[Minh]

another vote for the touring Canti rear/ Neo retro front set up,  though 
one caveat, i recently swapped out front racks, and the new one has a fork 
tang thats a little higher, requiring a very long straddle cable, braking 
has been fine but in my mind feels a little less stopping power.  

On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 11:20:36 AM UTC-5 Patch T wrote:

> John - I like the combination very much, but I don't think it is 
> significantly *better* than other brake set-ups, and do not necessarily 
> champion this set-up over others. I went this route because (a) I, too, 
> felt bad leaving the QB brake stop bridge hanging out all alone, and (b) 
> had another bike that was in need of only one Minimoto (a 92 XO1 calipered 
> frame with a 93 XO1 canti'd fork) and after a parts shuffle across 3 
> (mostly) canti'd bikes, I ended up with one spare Minimoto.
>
> I'll say that the Minimotos and Motolites have a sharper, crisper, more 
> abrupt stopping action than the Touring and/or Neo Retros. That is not to 
> say that the latter pair are 'bad' at stopping - they're marvelous and 
> strong - but the transition feel is slower/smoother. When running a combo 
> of Minimoto front + Touring rear, the difference in brake feel is not funny 
> or weird or all that noticeable. I suppose there's slightly less wheel lock 
> with the Touring out back, but this isn't a dominant factor for me.
>
> I personally would recommend the Touring/Neo Retro for road riding; and 
> Minimotos for more off-road/trail action, and/or/especially in cases where 
> quick-hard-steep stopping is desired. I save my Motolites for my 26" 
> dedicated trail bike. 
>
> Last item - aesthetically speaking (YMMV, don't @ me!)
> Minimotos look sick with knobbies
> Touring/Neo Retro look sick with knobbies
> Touring/Neo Retro look sick with slicks
> Minimotos look just ok with slicks, but sick with 45mm fenders + slicks
>
> Everyone's got different brake feelings and experiences, these are mine, 
> hope they help.
>
> Patch in NYC
>
>
> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 5:50:15 PM UTC-8 JohnS wrote:
>
>> Thank you everyone for the tips/advice. I'm not planning to have a rear 
>> rack on this bike, so the brake arm extension isn't an issue. Also I may or 
>> may not mount the fenders that I have, my Crust LB-canti has them so not a 
>> priority to have them on the QB.
>>
>> Patch, so how do you like the touring/minimoto combination? Would say it 
>> was better or as good as other brake set ups?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> JohnS
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 2:56:39 PM UTC-5 Patch T wrote:
>>
>>> I use Paul's Touring on the rear and Minimotos on the front on my QB. 
>>> The Minimotos clear a VO Smooth 45mm fender just fine.
>>> I agree that not using the canti stop bridge on the rear is a little 
>>> sad, but one could get creative and mount a light there if you preferred to 
>>> run a Minimoto on the rear as well.
>>>
>>> Patch in NYC
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Which Paul brakes for a Quickbeam or Simple One?

[Patch T]

John - I like the combination very much, but I don't think it is 
significantly *better* than other brake set-ups, and do not necessarily 
champion this set-up over others. I went this route because (a) I, too, 
felt bad leaving the QB brake stop bridge hanging out all alone, and (b) 
had another bike that was in need of only one Minimoto (a 92 XO1 calipered 
frame with a 93 XO1 canti'd fork) and after a parts shuffle across 3 
(mostly) canti'd bikes, I ended up with one spare Minimoto.

I'll say that the Minimotos and Motolites have a sharper, crisper, more 
abrupt stopping action than the Touring and/or Neo Retros. That is not to 
say that the latter pair are 'bad' at stopping - they're marvelous and 
strong - but the transition feel is slower/smoother. When running a combo 
of Minimoto front + Touring rear, the difference in brake feel is not funny 
or weird or all that noticeable. I suppose there's slightly less wheel lock 
with the Touring out back, but this isn't a dominant factor for me.

I personally would recommend the Touring/Neo Retro for road riding; and 
Minimotos for more off-road/trail action, and/or/especially in cases where 
quick-hard-steep stopping is desired. I save my Motolites for my 26" 
dedicated trail bike. 

Last item - aesthetically speaking (YMMV, don't @ me!)
Minimotos look sick with knobbies
Touring/Neo Retro look sick with knobbies
Touring/Neo Retro look sick with slicks
Minimotos look just ok with slicks, but sick with 45mm fenders + slicks

Everyone's got different brake feelings and experiences, these are mine, 
hope they help.

Patch in NYC


On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 5:50:15 PM UTC-8 JohnS wrote:

> Thank you everyone for the tips/advice. I'm not planning to have a rear 
> rack on this bike, so the brake arm extension isn't an issue. Also I may or 
> may not mount the fenders that I have, my Crust LB-canti has them so not a 
> priority to have them on the QB.
>
> Patch, so how do you like the touring/minimoto combination? Would say it 
> was better or as good as other brake set ups?
>
> Thanks,
> JohnS
>
> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 2:56:39 PM UTC-5 Patch T wrote:
>
>> I use Paul's Touring on the rear and Minimotos on the front on my QB. 
>> The Minimotos clear a VO Smooth 45mm fender just fine.
>> I agree that not using the canti stop bridge on the rear is a little sad, 
>> but one could get creative and mount a light there if you preferred to run 
>> a Minimoto on the rear as well.
>>
>> Patch in NYC
>>
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Re: [RBW] Which Paul brakes for a Quickbeam or Simple One?

[Bones]

If you aren't doing fenders then I vote Minimotos. I was able to 
comfortably fit Snoqualmie's with VO Zeppelin 52mm fenders on my Simpleone, 
but in that scenario you definitely need cantis.

I have the Minimoto up front and Touring Canti in the rear set up on a 
different single speed (one that does have a rear brake bridge, unlike my 
Simpleone) and that setup works great as well.

The Minimotos are insanely strong brakes in my experience.

Bones

On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 9:22:52 PM UTC-5 jasonz...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> another vote for the touring Canti rear/ Neo retro front set up, I had it 
> on my simple one and now on my QB and love the power modulation and look... 
> its a stunner
>
> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 7:50:15 PM UTC-6 JohnS wrote:
>
>> Thank you everyone for the tips/advice. I'm not planning to have a rear 
>> rack on this bike, so the brake arm extension isn't an issue. Also I may or 
>> may not mount the fenders that I have, my Crust LB-canti has them so not a 
>> priority to have them on the QB.
>>
>> Patch, so how do you like the touring/minimoto combination? Would say it 
>> was better or as good as other brake set ups?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> JohnS
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 2:56:39 PM UTC-5 Patch T wrote:
>>
>>> I use Paul's Touring on the rear and Minimotos on the front on my QB. 
>>> The Minimotos clear a VO Smooth 45mm fender just fine.
>>> I agree that not using the canti stop bridge on the rear is a little 
>>> sad, but one could get creative and mount a light there if you preferred to 
>>> run a Minimoto on the rear as well.
>>>
>>> Patch in NYC
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 11:44:55 AM UTC-8 Benjamin Kelley 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 When I was starting my design process for Paul braking my Quickbeam 
 everyone said to put touring on the rear.
 I measured my heel clearance and decided for my bike and fit, that 
 touring would be unnecessary and neo-retro's would clear fine.
 However, a set of used touring in my preferred color came up either 
 here or i-bob first, so I ended up going with them anyways.
 Definitely measure before you buy tho if you are only considering the 
 touring for clearance problems, it might not be an issue for you.

 --ben


 On Wed, Jan 11, 2023 at 1:19 PM iamkeith  wrote:

> Since the Quickbeam has a nice, built-in cable hanger at the rear 
> (whereas the Simple One relies on an ad-on hanger installed at the 
> seatpost 
> clamp bolt), I think it's nice to use canti brakes.  Just my opinion.  I 
> had wide profile brakes, like the neo-retro, both front and rear on my 
> Quickbeam (and will again when I finish rebuilding it) and never had heel 
> clearance problems.   I do have another bike where I needed to use the 
> touring on the rear with the neo retro on the front.
>
> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 12:01:17 PM UTC-7 eliot...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Why not do the motolite V brakes ? I bet they rock
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 11, 2023 at 10:19 AM Drew Henson  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Also depends on if you want to run fenders. I don't think the 
>>> minimotos have all that much clearance depending on tire size.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 10:06:49 AM UTC-8 JohnS wrote:
>>>
 Thank you Mark, good to know.

 On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 1:04:13 PM UTC-5 
 esoter...@gmail.com wrote:

> John,
>
> The Paul Minomotos are actually short-pull calipers, so you can 
> use the same short-pull levers that you would use with the 
> touring/neo-retro cantilevers. The Paul Motolites are the ones that 
> use 
> long-pull levers. 
>
> ~Mark
> Raleigh, NC
>
>
> On Jan 11, 2023, at 12:57, JohnS  wrote:
>
> The "are Paul's brakes worth it thread" got me thinking that I 
> should give them a try on my Quickbeam. What do people have 
> experience 
> with? I like the idea of using touring canti's on the rear and 
> minimotos on 
> the front as seen on this Rock Lobster build over on The Radivist.
>
>
>
> https://theradavist.com/cyclofunk-single-speed-rock-lobster-cyclocross-kyle-kelley/
>
> The only problem with that is, I'll have to get two pairs of brake 
> levels, one short pull and one long pull. I'm planning on using 
> Mark/noodle 
> drop bars, so the Tektro R340 and RL520 brake levers are at 
> reasonably 
> priced at $30/pair.
>
> Any suggestions are appreciated,
> JohnS
>
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Re: [RBW] Which Paul brakes for a Quickbeam or Simple One?

[Jason Zakaras]

another vote for the touring Canti rear/ Neo retro front set up, I had it 
on my simple one and now on my QB and love the power modulation and look... 
its a stunner

On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 7:50:15 PM UTC-6 JohnS wrote:

> Thank you everyone for the tips/advice. I'm not planning to have a rear 
> rack on this bike, so the brake arm extension isn't an issue. Also I may or 
> may not mount the fenders that I have, my Crust LB-canti has them so not a 
> priority to have them on the QB.
>
> Patch, so how do you like the touring/minimoto combination? Would say it 
> was better or as good as other brake set ups?
>
> Thanks,
> JohnS
>
> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 2:56:39 PM UTC-5 Patch T wrote:
>
>> I use Paul's Touring on the rear and Minimotos on the front on my QB. 
>> The Minimotos clear a VO Smooth 45mm fender just fine.
>> I agree that not using the canti stop bridge on the rear is a little sad, 
>> but one could get creative and mount a light there if you preferred to run 
>> a Minimoto on the rear as well.
>>
>> Patch in NYC
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 11:44:55 AM UTC-8 Benjamin Kelley wrote:
>>
>>> When I was starting my design process for Paul braking my Quickbeam 
>>> everyone said to put touring on the rear.
>>> I measured my heel clearance and decided for my bike and fit, that 
>>> touring would be unnecessary and neo-retro's would clear fine.
>>> However, a set of used touring in my preferred color came up either here 
>>> or i-bob first, so I ended up going with them anyways.
>>> Definitely measure before you buy tho if you are only considering the 
>>> touring for clearance problems, it might not be an issue for you.
>>>
>>> --ben
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 11, 2023 at 1:19 PM iamkeith  wrote:
>>>
 Since the Quickbeam has a nice, built-in cable hanger at the rear 
 (whereas the Simple One relies on an ad-on hanger installed at the 
 seatpost 
 clamp bolt), I think it's nice to use canti brakes.  Just my opinion.  I 
 had wide profile brakes, like the neo-retro, both front and rear on my 
 Quickbeam (and will again when I finish rebuilding it) and never had heel 
 clearance problems.   I do have another bike where I needed to use the 
 touring on the rear with the neo retro on the front.

 On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 12:01:17 PM UTC-7 eliot...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Why not do the motolite V brakes ? I bet they rock
>
> On Wed, Jan 11, 2023 at 10:19 AM Drew Henson  
> wrote:
>
>> Also depends on if you want to run fenders. I don't think the 
>> minimotos have all that much clearance depending on tire size.
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 10:06:49 AM UTC-8 JohnS wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you Mark, good to know.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 1:04:13 PM UTC-5 
>>> esoter...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 John,

 The Paul Minomotos are actually short-pull calipers, so you can use 
 the same short-pull levers that you would use with the 
 touring/neo-retro 
 cantilevers. The Paul Motolites are the ones that use long-pull 
 levers. 

 ~Mark
 Raleigh, NC


 On Jan 11, 2023, at 12:57, JohnS  wrote:

 The "are Paul's brakes worth it thread" got me thinking that I 
 should give them a try on my Quickbeam. What do people have experience 
 with? I like the idea of using touring canti's on the rear and 
 minimotos on 
 the front as seen on this Rock Lobster build over on The Radivist.



 https://theradavist.com/cyclofunk-single-speed-rock-lobster-cyclocross-kyle-kelley/

 The only problem with that is, I'll have to get two pairs of brake 
 levels, one short pull and one long pull. I'm planning on using 
 Mark/noodle 
 drop bars, so the Tektro R340 and RL520 brake levers are at reasonably 
 priced at $30/pair.

 Any suggestions are appreciated,
 JohnS

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Re: [RBW] Which Paul brakes for a Quickbeam or Simple One?

[JohnS]

Thank you everyone for the tips/advice. I'm not planning to have a rear 
rack on this bike, so the brake arm extension isn't an issue. Also I may or 
may not mount the fenders that I have, my Crust LB-canti has them so not a 
priority to have them on the QB.

Patch, so how do you like the touring/minimoto combination? Would say it 
was better or as good as other brake set ups?

Thanks,
JohnS

On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 2:56:39 PM UTC-5 Patch T wrote:

> I use Paul's Touring on the rear and Minimotos on the front on my QB. 
> The Minimotos clear a VO Smooth 45mm fender just fine.
> I agree that not using the canti stop bridge on the rear is a little sad, 
> but one could get creative and mount a light there if you preferred to run 
> a Minimoto on the rear as well.
>
> Patch in NYC
>
> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 11:44:55 AM UTC-8 Benjamin Kelley wrote:
>
>> When I was starting my design process for Paul braking my Quickbeam 
>> everyone said to put touring on the rear.
>> I measured my heel clearance and decided for my bike and fit, that 
>> touring would be unnecessary and neo-retro's would clear fine.
>> However, a set of used touring in my preferred color came up either here 
>> or i-bob first, so I ended up going with them anyways.
>> Definitely measure before you buy tho if you are only considering the 
>> touring for clearance problems, it might not be an issue for you.
>>
>> --ben
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 11, 2023 at 1:19 PM iamkeith  wrote:
>>
>>> Since the Quickbeam has a nice, built-in cable hanger at the rear 
>>> (whereas the Simple One relies on an ad-on hanger installed at the seatpost 
>>> clamp bolt), I think it's nice to use canti brakes.  Just my opinion.  I 
>>> had wide profile brakes, like the neo-retro, both front and rear on my 
>>> Quickbeam (and will again when I finish rebuilding it) and never had heel 
>>> clearance problems.   I do have another bike where I needed to use the 
>>> touring on the rear with the neo retro on the front.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 12:01:17 PM UTC-7 eliot...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Why not do the motolite V brakes ? I bet they rock

 On Wed, Jan 11, 2023 at 10:19 AM Drew Henson  
 wrote:

> Also depends on if you want to run fenders. I don't think the 
> minimotos have all that much clearance depending on tire size.
>
> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 10:06:49 AM UTC-8 JohnS wrote:
>
>> Thank you Mark, good to know.
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 1:04:13 PM UTC-5 
>> esoter...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> John,
>>>
>>> The Paul Minomotos are actually short-pull calipers, so you can use 
>>> the same short-pull levers that you would use with the 
>>> touring/neo-retro 
>>> cantilevers. The Paul Motolites are the ones that use long-pull levers. 
>>>
>>> ~Mark
>>> Raleigh, NC
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 11, 2023, at 12:57, JohnS  wrote:
>>>
>>> The "are Paul's brakes worth it thread" got me thinking that I 
>>> should give them a try on my Quickbeam. What do people have experience 
>>> with? I like the idea of using touring canti's on the rear and 
>>> minimotos on 
>>> the front as seen on this Rock Lobster build over on The Radivist.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://theradavist.com/cyclofunk-single-speed-rock-lobster-cyclocross-kyle-kelley/
>>>
>>> The only problem with that is, I'll have to get two pairs of brake 
>>> levels, one short pull and one long pull. I'm planning on using 
>>> Mark/noodle 
>>> drop bars, so the Tektro R340 and RL520 brake levers are at reasonably 
>>> priced at $30/pair.
>>>
>>> Any suggestions are appreciated,
>>> JohnS
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Which Paul brakes for a Quickbeam or Simple One?

[Patch T]

I use Paul's Touring on the rear and Minimotos on the front on my QB. 
The Minimotos clear a VO Smooth 45mm fender just fine.
I agree that not using the canti stop bridge on the rear is a little sad, 
but one could get creative and mount a light there if you preferred to run 
a Minimoto on the rear as well.

Patch in NYC

On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 11:44:55 AM UTC-8 Benjamin Kelley wrote:

> When I was starting my design process for Paul braking my Quickbeam 
> everyone said to put touring on the rear.
> I measured my heel clearance and decided for my bike and fit, that touring 
> would be unnecessary and neo-retro's would clear fine.
> However, a set of used touring in my preferred color came up either here 
> or i-bob first, so I ended up going with them anyways.
> Definitely measure before you buy tho if you are only considering the 
> touring for clearance problems, it might not be an issue for you.
>
> --ben
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 11, 2023 at 1:19 PM iamkeith  wrote:
>
>> Since the Quickbeam has a nice, built-in cable hanger at the rear 
>> (whereas the Simple One relies on an ad-on hanger installed at the seatpost 
>> clamp bolt), I think it's nice to use canti brakes.  Just my opinion.  I 
>> had wide profile brakes, like the neo-retro, both front and rear on my 
>> Quickbeam (and will again when I finish rebuilding it) and never had heel 
>> clearance problems.   I do have another bike where I needed to use the 
>> touring on the rear with the neo retro on the front.
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 12:01:17 PM UTC-7 eliot...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Why not do the motolite V brakes ? I bet they rock
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 11, 2023 at 10:19 AM Drew Henson  wrote:
>>>
 Also depends on if you want to run fenders. I don't think the minimotos 
 have all that much clearance depending on tire size.

 On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 10:06:49 AM UTC-8 JohnS wrote:

> Thank you Mark, good to know.
>
> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 1:04:13 PM UTC-5 esoter...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> John,
>>
>> The Paul Minomotos are actually short-pull calipers, so you can use 
>> the same short-pull levers that you would use with the touring/neo-retro 
>> cantilevers. The Paul Motolites are the ones that use long-pull levers. 
>>
>> ~Mark
>> Raleigh, NC
>>
>>
>> On Jan 11, 2023, at 12:57, JohnS  wrote:
>>
>> The "are Paul's brakes worth it thread" got me thinking that I 
>> should give them a try on my Quickbeam. What do people have experience 
>> with? I like the idea of using touring canti's on the rear and minimotos 
>> on 
>> the front as seen on this Rock Lobster build over on The Radivist.
>>
>>
>>
>> https://theradavist.com/cyclofunk-single-speed-rock-lobster-cyclocross-kyle-kelley/
>>
>> The only problem with that is, I'll have to get two pairs of brake 
>> levels, one short pull and one long pull. I'm planning on using 
>> Mark/noodle 
>> drop bars, so the Tektro R340 and RL520 brake levers are at reasonably 
>> priced at $30/pair.
>>
>> Any suggestions are appreciated,
>> JohnS
>>
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Re: [RBW] Which Paul brakes for a Quickbeam or Simple One?

[Benjamin L. Kelley]

When I was starting my design process for Paul braking my Quickbeam
everyone said to put touring on the rear.
I measured my heel clearance and decided for my bike and fit, that touring
would be unnecessary and neo-retro's would clear fine.
However, a set of used touring in my preferred color came up either here or
i-bob first, so I ended up going with them anyways.
Definitely measure before you buy tho if you are only considering the
touring for clearance problems, it might not be an issue for you.

--ben


On Wed, Jan 11, 2023 at 1:19 PM iamkeith  wrote:

> Since the Quickbeam has a nice, built-in cable hanger at the rear (whereas
> the Simple One relies on an ad-on hanger installed at the seatpost clamp
> bolt), I think it's nice to use canti brakes.  Just my opinion.  I had wide
> profile brakes, like the neo-retro, both front and rear on my Quickbeam
> (and will again when I finish rebuilding it) and never had heel clearance
> problems.   I do have another bike where I needed to use the touring on the
> rear with the neo retro on the front.
>
> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 12:01:17 PM UTC-7 eliot...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> Why not do the motolite V brakes ? I bet they rock
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 11, 2023 at 10:19 AM Drew Henson  wrote:
>>
>>> Also depends on if you want to run fenders. I don't think the minimotos
>>> have all that much clearance depending on tire size.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 10:06:49 AM UTC-8 JohnS wrote:
>>>
 Thank you Mark, good to know.

 On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 1:04:13 PM UTC-5 esoter...@gmail.com
 wrote:

> John,
>
> The Paul Minomotos are actually short-pull calipers, so you can use
> the same short-pull levers that you would use with the touring/neo-retro
> cantilevers. The Paul Motolites are the ones that use long-pull levers.
>
> ~Mark
> Raleigh, NC
>
>
> On Jan 11, 2023, at 12:57, JohnS  wrote:
>
> The "are Paul's brakes worth it thread" got me thinking that I should
> give them a try on my Quickbeam. What do people have experience with? I
> like the idea of using touring canti's on the rear and minimotos on the
> front as seen on this Rock Lobster build over on The Radivist.
>
>
>
> https://theradavist.com/cyclofunk-single-speed-rock-lobster-cyclocross-kyle-kelley/
>
> The only problem with that is, I'll have to get two pairs of brake
> levels, one short pull and one long pull. I'm planning on using 
> Mark/noodle
> drop bars, so the Tektro R340 and RL520 brake levers are at reasonably
> priced at $30/pair.
>
> Any suggestions are appreciated,
> JohnS
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Re: [RBW] Which Paul brakes for a Quickbeam or Simple One?

[iamkeith]

Since the Quickbeam has a nice, built-in cable hanger at the rear (whereas 
the Simple One relies on an ad-on hanger installed at the seatpost clamp 
bolt), I think it's nice to use canti brakes.  Just my opinion.  I had wide 
profile brakes, like the neo-retro, both front and rear on my Quickbeam 
(and will again when I finish rebuilding it) and never had heel clearance 
problems.   I do have another bike where I needed to use the touring on the 
rear with the neo retro on the front.

On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 12:01:17 PM UTC-7 eliot...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Why not do the motolite V brakes ? I bet they rock
>
> On Wed, Jan 11, 2023 at 10:19 AM Drew Henson  wrote:
>
>> Also depends on if you want to run fenders. I don't think the minimotos 
>> have all that much clearance depending on tire size.
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 10:06:49 AM UTC-8 JohnS wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you Mark, good to know.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 1:04:13 PM UTC-5 esoter...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 John,

 The Paul Minomotos are actually short-pull calipers, so you can use the 
 same short-pull levers that you would use with the touring/neo-retro 
 cantilevers. The Paul Motolites are the ones that use long-pull levers. 

 ~Mark
 Raleigh, NC


 On Jan 11, 2023, at 12:57, JohnS  wrote:

 The "are Paul's brakes worth it thread" got me thinking that I should 
 give them a try on my Quickbeam. What do people have experience with? I 
 like the idea of using touring canti's on the rear and minimotos on the 
 front as seen on this Rock Lobster build over on The Radivist.



 https://theradavist.com/cyclofunk-single-speed-rock-lobster-cyclocross-kyle-kelley/

 The only problem with that is, I'll have to get two pairs of brake 
 levels, one short pull and one long pull. I'm planning on using 
 Mark/noodle 
 drop bars, so the Tektro R340 and RL520 brake levers are at reasonably 
 priced at $30/pair.

 Any suggestions are appreciated,
 JohnS

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Re: [RBW] Which Paul brakes for a Quickbeam or Simple One?

[Eliot Balogh]

Why not do the motolite V brakes ? I bet they rock

On Wed, Jan 11, 2023 at 10:19 AM Drew Henson  wrote:

> Also depends on if you want to run fenders. I don't think the minimotos
> have all that much clearance depending on tire size.
>
> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 10:06:49 AM UTC-8 JohnS wrote:
>
>> Thank you Mark, good to know.
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 1:04:13 PM UTC-5 esoter...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> John,
>>>
>>> The Paul Minomotos are actually short-pull calipers, so you can use the
>>> same short-pull levers that you would use with the touring/neo-retro
>>> cantilevers. The Paul Motolites are the ones that use long-pull levers.
>>>
>>> ~Mark
>>> Raleigh, NC
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 11, 2023, at 12:57, JohnS  wrote:
>>>
>>> The "are Paul's brakes worth it thread" got me thinking that I should
>>> give them a try on my Quickbeam. What do people have experience with? I
>>> like the idea of using touring canti's on the rear and minimotos on the
>>> front as seen on this Rock Lobster build over on The Radivist.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://theradavist.com/cyclofunk-single-speed-rock-lobster-cyclocross-kyle-kelley/
>>>
>>> The only problem with that is, I'll have to get two pairs of brake
>>> levels, one short pull and one long pull. I'm planning on using Mark/noodle
>>> drop bars, so the Tektro R340 and RL520 brake levers are at reasonably
>>> priced at $30/pair.
>>>
>>> Any suggestions are appreciated,
>>> JohnS
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Which Paul brakes for a Quickbeam or Simple One?

[Drew Henson]

Also depends on if you want to run fenders. I don't think the minimotos 
have all that much clearance depending on tire size.

On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 10:06:49 AM UTC-8 JohnS wrote:

> Thank you Mark, good to know.
>
> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 1:04:13 PM UTC-5 esoter...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> John,
>>
>> The Paul Minomotos are actually short-pull calipers, so you can use the 
>> same short-pull levers that you would use with the touring/neo-retro 
>> cantilevers. The Paul Motolites are the ones that use long-pull levers. 
>>
>> ~Mark
>> Raleigh, NC
>>
>>
>> On Jan 11, 2023, at 12:57, JohnS  wrote:
>>
>> The "are Paul's brakes worth it thread" got me thinking that I should 
>> give them a try on my Quickbeam. What do people have experience with? I 
>> like the idea of using touring canti's on the rear and minimotos on the 
>> front as seen on this Rock Lobster build over on The Radivist.
>>
>>
>>
>> https://theradavist.com/cyclofunk-single-speed-rock-lobster-cyclocross-kyle-kelley/
>>
>> The only problem with that is, I'll have to get two pairs of brake 
>> levels, one short pull and one long pull. I'm planning on using Mark/noodle 
>> drop bars, so the Tektro R340 and RL520 brake levers are at reasonably 
>> priced at $30/pair.
>>
>> Any suggestions are appreciated,
>> JohnS
>>
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Re: [RBW] Which Paul brakes for a Quickbeam or Simple One?

[JohnS]

Thank you Mark, good to know.

On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 1:04:13 PM UTC-5 esoter...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> John,
>
> The Paul Minomotos are actually short-pull calipers, so you can use the 
> same short-pull levers that you would use with the touring/neo-retro 
> cantilevers. The Paul Motolites are the ones that use long-pull levers. 
>
> ~Mark
> Raleigh, NC
>
>
> On Jan 11, 2023, at 12:57, JohnS  wrote:
>
> The "are Paul's brakes worth it thread" got me thinking that I should 
> give them a try on my Quickbeam. What do people have experience with? I 
> like the idea of using touring canti's on the rear and minimotos on the 
> front as seen on this Rock Lobster build over on The Radivist.
>
>
>
> https://theradavist.com/cyclofunk-single-speed-rock-lobster-cyclocross-kyle-kelley/
>
> The only problem with that is, I'll have to get two pairs of brake levels, 
> one short pull and one long pull. I'm planning on using Mark/noodle drop 
> bars, so the Tektro R340 and RL520 brake levers are at reasonably priced at 
> $30/pair.
>
> Any suggestions are appreciated,
> JohnS
>
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Re: [RBW] Which Paul brakes for a Quickbeam or Simple One?

[esoterica etc]

John,

The Paul Minomotos are actually short-pull calipers, so you can use the same 
short-pull levers that you would use with the touring/neo-retro cantilevers. 
The Paul Motolites are the ones that use long-pull levers. 

~Mark
Raleigh, NC


> On Jan 11, 2023, at 12:57, JohnS  wrote:
> 
> The "are Paul's brakes worth it thread" got me thinking that I should give 
> them a try on my Quickbeam. What do people have experience with? I like the 
> idea of using touring canti's on the rear and minimotos on the front as seen 
> on this Rock Lobster build over on The Radivist.
> 
> https://theradavist.com/cyclofunk-single-speed-rock-lobster-cyclocross-kyle-kelley/
> 
> The only problem with that is, I'll have to get two pairs of brake levels, 
> one short pull and one long pull. I'm planning on using Mark/noodle drop 
> bars, so the Tektro R340 and RL520 brake levers are at reasonably priced at 
> $30/pair.
> 
> Any suggestions are appreciated,
> JohnS
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