Re: [RDA-L] Identifying a work

2013-03-08 Thread J. McRee Elrod
Robert Maxwell posted: The one core relationship in RDA is to record the relationship between the resource being cataloged and the work manifested in it (see RDA 17.3). There are several ways to do this. One of the ways to do it is by using an authorized access point for the work ... A poster

[RDA-L] ARLIS RDA implementation workshop, Friday 12th April 2013, London UK

2013-03-08 Thread Lee, Deborah
***Apologies for cross-posting*** Dear all, Please find attached details about an RDA implementation workshop organised by the ARLIS cataloguing and classification committee, which focuses on the practicalities of RDA implementation. We hope this will be of interest not just to art

[RDA-L] Reproductions of Art Works and FRBR

2013-03-08 Thread Elizabeth O'Keefe
Several months ago, there was a discussion on the PCCList about whether it was appropriate to add an access point for: [Artist]. Works. Selections to a printed monograph that includes reproductions of the artist's work. The use of conventional collective titles is well-established for

[RDA-L] [Un]bracketed page numbers

2013-03-08 Thread Michael Cohen
I understand that in RDA you do not bracket page numbers when listing the bibliography in 504, even if the beginning or ending page number is not printed on the page, but I'm having difficulty finding the exact RDA or LC-PCC PS rule that states this. Can anyone help me out? --

Re: [RDA-L] [Un]bracketed page numbers

2013-03-08 Thread Arakawa, Steven
LC PCC PS 1.7.1. Punctuation in Notes. 3. Square brackets. Steven Arakawa Catalog Librarian for Training Documentation Catalog Metada Services Sterling Memorial Library. Yale University P.O. Box 208240 New Haven, CT 06520-8240 (203) 432-8286 steven.arak...@yale.edu -Original

Re: [RDA-L] [Un]bracketed page numbers

2013-03-08 Thread Joan Wang
504 field is among recorded elements. I think that there is no arbitrary requirement that the data should exactly reflect the resource itself. Thanks, Joan Wang Illinois Heartland Library System On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 8:40 AM, Michael Cohen mco...@library.wisc.eduwrote: I understand that in

Re: [RDA-L] (OCoLC)829311087

2013-03-08 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Deborah Fritz Sent: March-07-13 6:03 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] (OCoLC)829311087 Thomas said: The basic problem is then thrown back to MARC

[RDA-L] eBooks Playaways

2013-03-08 Thread Pam Withrow
Good morning, May I please get some feedback on the following? This is the way RDA reads to me: eBook 336 - text 337 - computer 338 - online resource Playaway Audio 336 - spoken word 337 - audio 338 - audio cartridge Thank you very much, *Pamela Withrow, MLIS* Cataloger Perma-Bound

Re: [RDA-L] Typos in Titles

2013-03-08 Thread James Weinheimer
On 08/03/2013 02:02, Robert Maxwell wrote: snip The one core relationship in RDA is to record the relationship between the resource being cataloged and the work manifested in it (see RDA 17.3). There are several ways to do this. One of the ways to do it is by using an authorized access

Re: [RDA-L] Reproductions of Art Works and FRBR

2013-03-08 Thread Layne, Sara
Hi Liz and others, As it happens, I gave this exact problem a great deal of thought about 30 years ago. It was long before FRBR of course, but the issue itself has not changed. At the time I argued that reproductions were new works, and for describing the relationship between the original and

Re: [RDA-L] Typos in Titles

2013-03-08 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of James Weinheimer [weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com] Sent: March-08-13 10:36 AM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Typos in Titles On

Re: [RDA-L] Reproductions of Art Works and FRBR

2013-03-08 Thread Gene Fieg
This is applicable to all art or arts, music included. See CCQ, vol. 50 (or 51?) nos. 5-8. On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 8:16 AM, Joan Wang jw...@illinoisheartland.orgwrote: I agree with Sara. Honestly, I think about the question the whole morning. Finally I feel that a photography of an original

Re: [RDA-L] Reproductions of Art Works and FRBR

2013-03-08 Thread Barbara Tillett
Each resource contains intellectual or artistic content and there are relationships between the essence of that content and the person/family/corporate body responsible for it. The basic work in the FRBR sense is still there in the photograph, and FRBR makes a relationship between that

Re: [RDA-L] Reproductions of Art Works and FRBR

2013-03-08 Thread Joan Wang
Barbara, Yes. It helps. Thanks for your explanation both in theory and practice. Thanks again. Joan Wang Illinois Heartland Library System On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 11:13 AM, Barbara Tillett babstill...@me.com wrote: Each resource contains intellectual or artistic content and there are

Re: [RDA-L] Typos in Titles

2013-03-08 Thread Kai Stoeckenius
What may be adding to the apparent confusion about the impact of all this is that the LC-PCC PS on Chapter 17 says Do not apply chapter 17 in the current implementation scenario. I'm surprised no one else has pointed that out yet. Kai On Fri, 8 Mar 2013 01:02:22 +, Robert Maxwell

Re: [RDA-L] Typos in Titles

2013-03-08 Thread Kevin M Randall
Yes, I took note of that PS during our local RDA training, and I am quite puzzled by it. Because the fact is, LC *is* implementing Chapter 17, and has been basically forever. They are doing it by the method described in 17.4.2.2 and, sometimes, by the method described in 17.4.2.3. Many of us

Re: [RDA-L] Typos in Titles

2013-03-08 Thread James Weinheimer
On 08/03/2013 17:48, Brenndorfer, Thomas wrote: snip You don't seem to be aware that AACR2 has two parts. Part 1: describe the resource (which could include data about any FRBR entity in the resource-- work, expression, manifestation, item) Part 2: provide access to the *WORK*. Catalogers

Re: [RDA-L] Typos in Titles

2013-03-08 Thread Michael Borries
I wish to comment on several aspects of this thread. First, I would respectfully disagree with Joan Wang's statement below. I do not find RDA to be more explicit when it comes to mistakes in title (or in any other transcribed field), but rather less explicit. There are two or three sources of

Re: [RDA-L] Typos in Titles

2013-03-08 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
Really? There is a part 2 to AACR2? I never got that far into the book! ;-) In my opinion, laziness has nothing whatsoever to do with it. Catalogers were always supposed to check to see if there were other editions of the work and relate those editions using a uniform title when appropriate. If

Re: [RDA-L] Typos in Titles

2013-03-08 Thread Joan Wang
First, I would respectfully disagree with Joan Wang’s statement below. I do not find RDA to be more explicit when it comes to mistakes in title (or in any other transcribed field), but rather less explicit. First of all, I thank for your disagreement. I could not understand [sic] until I became

Re: [RDA-L] Typos in Titles

2013-03-08 Thread Benjamin A Abrahamse
I'm glad this is still being discussed, so I don't feel like a total fussbudget for pining over a three-letter word. The issue, in my opinion, is not really whether we use sic or some other phrase (though I confess I find sic a wonderfully parsimonious way of indicating an error.) It is, as

Re: [RDA-L] Typos in Titles

2013-03-08 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
In the rare cases when I've seen a [sic] in a display it's been a disservice especially when it's close to the beginning of a title, as it throws off the sort order, and in fact most users are none the wiser and so assume [sic] is part of the title. I have seen titles with unusual spelling

Re: [RDA-L] Typos in Titles

2013-03-08 Thread Benjamin A Abrahamse
I have always been told that good data outlives poor systems. Still, you seem to know what you're doing. I'm curious how you're going to manage the de-siccing. You will have to, I presume, look at each instance and decide what to do about it, case-by-case, as (as previously mentioned) some

Re: [RDA-L] Typos in Titles

2013-03-08 Thread Gary L Strawn
Yes, you're absolutely right; de-sicing will require re-examination of the item. That's one of the several reasons I've deferred it until the RDA conversion is over. Gary L. Strawn, Authorities Librarian, etc. Northwestern University Library, 1970 Campus Drive, Evanston IL 60208-2300 e-mail:

Re: [RDA-L] Typos in Titles

2013-03-08 Thread Brenndorfer, Thomas
Re: Thomas' comment, and in fact most users are none the wiser and so assume [sic] is part of the title. I'm curious where you get this fact.  It may be a function of different user bases We serve users of all ages and all walks of life. Probably many who are not good spellers to begin with.

[RDA-L] Relator code and term punctucation

2013-03-08 Thread J. McRee Elrod
RDA Listers: Do I have this right? Both $4 and $e replace the ending period of the name (unless it ends in an abrevations like Ltd.? There is no period at the end of the relator code or term? A comma precedes each $e, but $4 has no punctuation? Thanks, Mac __ __ J. McRee (Mac)

Re: [RDA-L] Typos in Titles

2013-03-08 Thread James Weinheimer
On 08/03/2013 20:48, Brenndorfer, Thomas wrote: snip But they haven't stopped. The choice of main entry (just choosing the main author responsible) is still part of the choice for identifying the work. The uniform title choice (or lack of a decision about it) doesn't change the fact that a

Re: [RDA-L] Relator code and term punctucation

2013-03-08 Thread Kadri, Carolyn J
I have been putting a comma after the name and a period after the relator code and no period after $4. Example: Smith, James, $e publisher. $4 pbl Don't know that any one way is better than the other, but in the absence of any instructions anywhere, I defaulted to this pattern because it

Re: [RDA-L] Relator code and term punctucation

2013-03-08 Thread Michael Chopey
Each of the X__ Headings--General Information sections (i.e., X00, X10, X11, X30) in MARC Bibliographic has the instruction about the ending punctuation. Each one says in the punctuation section at the bottom: Fields 100, 600, 700, and 800 [e.g.] end with a mark of punctuation or a closing