Re: [RDA-L] [MOUG-L] RDA copyright/phonogram symbols not on item

2013-05-21 Thread Mitchell, Michael
Although, according to Wikipedia and several other sources, Under the Berne Convention, copyrights for creative workshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creative_works do not have to be asserted or declared, as they are automatically in force at creation: an author need not register or apply for a

Re: [RDA-L] [MOUG-L] RDA copyright/phonogram symbols not on item

2013-05-21 Thread Kevin M Randall
While all of that may be true, it is irrelevant to the argument I was making. I was not saying anything about assuming whether or not a resource IS under copyright. We're talking about library bibliographic metadata here. What I meant was that I would not assume any particular copyright

Re: [RDA-L] [MOUG-L] RDA copyright/phonogram symbols not on item

2013-05-21 Thread Mitchell, Michael
Yes, I wasn't sure if it was relevant or not. Just wanted to point it out in case it made a difference in this case. I was pretty sure I'd quickly learn its applicability. Michael Mitchell Technical Services Librarian Brazosport College Lake Jackson, TX Michael.mitchell at brazosport.edu

Re: [RDA-L] [MOUG-L] RDA copyright/phonogram symbols not on item

2013-05-21 Thread Peter Schouten
One could make the argument, however, that while it is a bad idea to include information not in the resource in the manifestation record, it may be very welcome in the work records (and both are bibliographic description). Peter Van: Resource Description and

[RDA-L] RDA Update History

2013-05-21 Thread Kevin M Randall
The RDA Update History seems not to be complete. Haven't there been several updates to the content since it was published in June 2010? There is only one update in the Update History, and that is dated April 2012. It is *very* helpful to have a complete history of the updates, to help

Re: [RDA-L] RDA Update History

2013-05-21 Thread Gene Fieg
I agree On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 9:45 AM, Kevin M Randall k...@northwestern.eduwrote: The RDA Update History seems not to be complete. Haven't there been several updates to the content since it was published in June 2010? There is only one update in the Update History, and that is dated

Re: [RDA-L] Use of brackets in RDA records

2013-05-21 Thread Arthur Liu
I apologize if this is a dumb question, but is there a concrete definition for what a publisher is or does, or what constitutes the act of publishing or publication? The RDA Glossary states that a publisher is A person, family, or corporate body responsible for publishing, releasing, or issuing a

Re: [RDA-L] RDA Update History

2013-05-21 Thread Dana Van Meter
I also happened to notice that yesterday Kevin, and I'm glad you bring it up. The latest update was to be May 14th, and I even received an e-mail from the Toolkit on May 13th announcing the May 14th update, but my Toolkit also shows the latest update as April 2012. However I do notice that when

Re: [RDA-L] RDA Update History

2013-05-21 Thread Dana Van Meter
Forgot to say that I've reported both the AACR2 Index issue and the LC-PCC PS icon issue to the Toolkit, and supposedly they are working on it. Neither has been remedied as of today. Dana Van Meter Catalog Librarian Historical Studies-Social Science Library Institute for Advanced Study Princeton,

Re: [RDA-L] Use of brackets in RDA records

2013-05-21 Thread Deborah Fritz
My reasoning is that there must *be* a reason why we *are* told to guess a place and date, and not told to guess a publication, in both AACR and RDA. So maybe we need to think through the purpose of the publication data. If a resource is published, we always have a publication statement, of some

Re: [RDA-L] RDA Update History

2013-05-21 Thread Gene Fieg
One has to remember that RDA is *dynamic*. Ahem. On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 10:59 AM, Dana Van Meter vanme...@ias.edu wrote: I also happened to notice that yesterday Kevin, and I'm glad you bring it up. The latest update was to be May 14th, and I even received an e-mail from the Toolkit on

Re: [RDA-L] Use of brackets in RDA records

2013-05-21 Thread Gene Fieg
There are no dumb questions, especially when it comes to RDA On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 10:54 AM, Arthur Liu art@gmail.com wrote: I apologize if this is a dumb question, but is there a concrete definition for what a publisher is or does, or what constitutes the act of publishing or

Re: [RDA-L] RDA Update History

2013-05-21 Thread JSC Secretary
There are two categories of changes in the RDA content of the RDA Toolkit: -- updates: major changes resulting from approved proposals to the JSC; -- releases: minor changes resulting from corrections and Fast Track entries handled by the JSC. So far, there has been only one update of the RDA

Re: [RDA-L] Use of brackets in RDA records

2013-05-21 Thread MARILYN BOOK
I have a question that applies to the publisher as well. If a book lists a publisher that is an imprint of another do you put the publisher, the main publisher or both. eg. Gallery Books is a division of Simon Schuster Inc. what do I use as the publisher? Thanks. “The illiterate of the 21st

Re: [RDA-L] RDA Update History

2013-05-21 Thread Kevin M Randall
Thanks, Judy! I'd totally forgotten about the difference between RDA updates and RDA Toolkit releases. Makes complete sense to me now. I agree that noting every minor change under RDA Update History would end up getting to be quite unwieldy. But I do wonder if it might perhaps be helpful to

Re: [RDA-L] Use of brackets in RDA records

2013-05-21 Thread Harden, Jean
According to RDA 2.8.1.4, you transcribe whatever appears on the source of information. If both the main publisher and the imprint appear, you transcribe both, unless you have chosen to follow the option that allows omitting levels in a corporate hierarchy that are not required to identify the

[RDA-L] Size of PDF files

2013-05-21 Thread Felix, Kyley
I'm cataloguing a lot of PDF files in my library. I want to make it easy for users to see the size of the documents. This is what I am thinking of doing in the 300 and 347 fields. The 347 field is hidden from the user so I want the file size also showing in the 300 field. I wasn't sure if this

Re: [RDA-L] Size of PDF files

2013-05-21 Thread J. McRee Elrod
Kyley Felix posted: 300 (10 a) 1 online resource (v, 23 pages), 840 KB : (20 b) text file, PDF. We would have in an RDA record: 300 $a1 PDF (v, 23 pages) :$c840 KB We find this simpler and easier to understand. Field 338 already has online resource, so we see no need to repeat it; 336