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How is it that electronic books can have pages
Jim Foster said:
I'm not sure I agree that e-books normally have page numbers.
Of the several e-publishers and e-aggregtors for whom we catalogue,
all but one reproduces or assigns page numbers. We include in
collation the original or assigned number of pages, even for the one
which removes
To return to the original topic, the new RDA definitions of leaf and page:
It occurs to me that there's something else wrong with the definition of
page: A unit of extent of text consisting of a single side of a leaf. It is
too paper-centric, or perhaps I should say sheet-centric, since we've
record means?
My bet is that it's still mighty confusing!
Kevin Roe
Fort Wayne Community Schools
Fort Wayne IN
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Kevin M Randall k...@northwestern.edu wrote:
But then don't the words leaves and pages also constitute
Anglocentrism???
p. = pagina/paginae
ed. = editio
ill. = illustratio/illustrationes
--
Mark K. Ehlert
Minitex
http://www.minitex.umn.edu/
In that sense, the abbreviations are themselves centric because they are
shortened version of words in Romance languages.
Cary T. Isley
TCC
On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 2:24 PM, M. E. m.k.e.m...@gmail.com wrote:
Kevin M Randall k...@northwestern.edu wrote:
But then don't the words leaves and
In that sense, although abbreviations are themselves centric, they're less so
than full words. If the language of cataloging is English, it makes little
difference if they include abbreviations or not. We certainly cannot catalog
fully in some universal language which no patron knows, or in
Kevin said:
But then don't the words leaves and pages also constitute Anglocentrism???
Not for Canadian Francophones.
Abbreviations were more likely to be the same; spelling out creates
differences. The only thing we used to change in collation was maps
to cartes,
For inclusions such as that
immédiatement par
courriel.
-Message d'origine-
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[mailto:RDA-L@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca] De la part de Keith R. Trimmer
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On Mon, 15 Jul 2013 21:27:08 -0700, Keith R. Trimmer trim...@usc.edu wrote:
[snip]
I believe someone earlier in the thread said he'd never seen a book with
printed pages that had numbered leaves instead of numbered pages. It's
pretty rare, but I have seen it. Same with numbered columns. I
Keith Trimmer posted:
EXAMPLE
48 leaves, that is, 96 pages
Better than just the pages, but i.e. works better in a multilingual
situation.
With American library collections becoming ever more multilingual to
serve native speakers of other languages, I do not understand RDA's
retreat into
Mac Elrod wrote:
Keith Trimmer posted:
EXAMPLE
48 leaves, that is, 96 pages
Better than just the pages, but i.e. works better in a multilingual
situation.
With American library collections becoming ever more multilingual to
serve native speakers of other languages, I do not
Among the July 2013 changes to RDA we have a new term in the glossary, Leaf,
with the following definition:
A unit of extent of text consisting of a single bound or fastened sheet of
paper as a subunit of a volume; each leaf consists of two pages, one on each
side, either or both of which may
Who is writing this definitions.
A page has printing on both sides
A leaf has printing or representations of data on one side.
Period.
On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 8:20 AM, Kathie Coblentz kcobl...@nypl.org wrote:
Among the July 2013 changes to RDA we have a new term in the glossary,
Leaf, with
Kathie asked:
I ask (again): If you have a volume containing only images, such as repro=
ductions of photographs or drawings, what do you call the things they are=
printed on? And how do you reckon the extent of the resources containing=
them?
If printed on one side (text and/or image) we
: Monday, July 15, 2013 11:20 AM
Subject: [RDA-L] Leaf (new RDA glossary term and definition)
Among the July 2013 changes to RDA we have a new term in the glossary, Leaf,
with the following definition:
A unit of extent of text consisting of a single bound or fastened sheet of
paper as a subunit
On 7/15/2013 8:57 AM, Gene Fieg gf...@cst.edu wrote:
Who is writing this definitions.
A page has printing on both sides A leaf has printing or
representations of data on one side. Period.
I had that thought too, that the definitions seemed backwards. Not how I
learned leaf and page. Rather
It's confusing because the writer(s) of RDA had to write not just in
librarianese, but philosophical librarianese.
I find an awful lot of this kind of writing as an editor for a journal.
When I have to read some of these articles, I go absolutely mad. Mad, I
tell you. MAD.
On Mon, Jul 15,
Sorry, close but no cigar, as they say.
While a sequence printed on both sides is usually counted in terms of pages,
and when printed only on one side is usually counted in terms of leaves, the
fundamental definition is that a page constitutes a given face of a leaf and a
leaf constitutes the
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On Mon, 15 Jul 2013 18:54:41 +, Kathy Glennan kglen...@umd.edu wrote:
Thanks to the posters on this list for raising the issue about the problems
with limiting the definition of leaf to text in the RDA Glossary.
I will work on creating/proposing a revised, broader definition for the JSC to
For those interested, there was conversation on some of these points last
summer.
http://wikis.ala.org/ccda/index.php/6JSC/LC/21
Parts of the commentary on the wiki came from a thread or two on the
PCCLIST last summer. See the thread with subject line 6JSC/LC/21 at:
Lawrence said:
Describe a volume with leaves numbered on both sides or with leaves
unnumbered and printed on both sides, in terms of pages. Describe a
volume with leaves numbered on one side only, or with leaves unnumbered
and printed on one side only, in terms of leaves.
It does not say what
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[RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] on behalf of J. McRee Elrod [m...@slc.bc.ca]
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Lawrence said:
Describe
On Tue, 16 Jul 2013, J. McRee Elrod wrote:
It does not say what to do if printed on both sides, but numbered on
only one. I would prefer 50 leaves ([100] pages) to just [100]
pages, as being more descriptive.
3.4.5.5 was just revised, but still has the same basic instruction as
before (and
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