[RDA-L] Creators of museum catalogs

2013-05-02 Thread Heidrun Wiesenmüller
Talking about creators: One thing I find very puzzling is the treatment of collections in a museum. Maybe I only have these problems because the German rules for main entry for corporate bodies are completely different from the Anglo-American tradition. So, perhaps you can help me here. Bowma

Re: [RDA-L] Relator term for "as told to"

2013-05-02 Thread John Hostage
"As told to" is a common formulation on books from prominent people. The person the story was told to is kind of like a ghostwriter, except their identity is not hidden. I would definitely consider them a creator, but it's hard to tell from the title page how extensive their role was. This is

Re: [RDA-L] Relator term for "as told to"

2013-05-02 Thread J. McRee Elrod
Nancy Braman posted: >The house >Baba built >An artist's childhood in China >Text as told to Libby Kopolen >Ed Young For Kopolen we would use: ivr Interviewer and for Young: ive Interviewee These codes (without the words) would go in $4, or the words (lower case and withouth the code) wo

Re: [RDA-L] Relator term for "as told to"

2013-05-02 Thread Heidrun Wiesenmüller
Postscriptum: I just found some more information on the book, and it said: "Young’s creation, shaped with help from author Libby Koponen, (...)". So probably it is really the best thing to treat them both as creators and use "author" in both cases, although Koponen's contribution is here descr

Re: [RDA-L] Relator term for "as told to"

2013-05-02 Thread Heidrun Wiesenmüller
I haven't seen the book, so I'm not certain about the exact nature of Libby Kopolen's contribution. Does she act like some sort of interviewer, asking questions? Then I would agree that she should be seen as another author. But if she's really only the person the story is told to, then I find

Re: [RDA-L] Readability

2013-05-02 Thread Joan Wang
Heidrun Thanks for your reply. My thought is that the purpose of a modification of punctuations included in a title is to avoid a misunderstanding or confusion. So it will help users to differentiate a resource from others, and then make a selection. When we are doing cataloging, we may not know i

Re: [RDA-L] Readability

2013-05-02 Thread Benjamin A Abrahamse
"Something like the "principle of making things easy for the user" seems to be sadly missing from RDA. If we look through 0.4.2.1 "Responsiveness to user needs", we find a list of things that users should be able to do with our data, but nowhere does it say that they should find it easy to do th

Re: [RDA-L] Readability

2013-05-02 Thread Heidrun Wiesenmüller
Joan, I've just reread the principle of differentiation (0.4.3.1), asking myself whether this could somehow be stretched to include the matter of readabiliy and the problem of mixing up different kinds of punctuation, but I don't think it works. This principle seems to be all about distinguis

Re: [RDA-L] FW: NACO question--qualifying conference names

2013-05-02 Thread Gene Fieg
Whatever it calls itself And make a xref from name (Conference) to the 1XX name (symposium) On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 10:21 AM, Benjamin A Abrahamse wrote: > I sent this email to the pcc list almost three hours ago and it hasn't > distributed. Maybe it got "sequestered"?? > > ** ** > > Anyways

[RDA-L] FW: NACO question--qualifying conference names

2013-05-02 Thread Benjamin A Abrahamse
I sent this email to the pcc list almost three hours ago and it hasn't distributed. Maybe it got "sequestered"?? Anyways, if anyone has a good answer to my question below I'd appreciate it. --Ben Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Librari

Re: [RDA-L] Relator term for "as told to"

2013-05-02 Thread Joan Wang
I am not sure if we can use a term: teller. I got a similar situation. A book is told by A, translated by B, and proofread by C. There might be a better term. I feel that my vocabulary is a kind of limited in this regard. Thanks, Joan Wang Illinois Heartland Library System On Thu, May 2, 2013 a

Re: [RDA-L] Relator term for "as told to"

2013-05-02 Thread Bernadette Mary O'Reilly
I would use author for both the teller and the person told to, since they both make creator-level contributions to a work that is primarily textual in content. The examples in 19.2.1.3 for two or more entities responsible for the creation of the work performing different roles show that both shoul

[RDA-L] Relator term for "as told to"

2013-05-02 Thread Nancy Braman
What is the proper term for the person named in "text as told to..."? I've looked through the first draft and the MARC list and can't find anything appropriate. If it helps, the title page (in all caps in the book) reads as follows: The house Baba built An artist's childhood in China Text as

Re: [RDA-L] Annoucement of 2013 JSC meeting; revised documents posted

2013-05-02 Thread Gene Fieg
Read the changes. Little hard to read them without context, the rest of the text. Question: what happens to a preferred access point if that person is knighted subsequent to his/her being established as a preferred access point. xref? On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 7:54 AM, JSC Secretary wrote: > Dear

[RDA-L] Annoucement of 2013 JSC meeting; revised documents posted

2013-05-02 Thread JSC Secretary
Dear colleagues, (1) JSC 2013 meeting: The 2013 meeting of the Joint Steering Committee for Development of RDA (JSC) will be the week of November 4-9, 2013, in Washington, D.C., USA. The deadline for proposals for this November 2013 meeting is August 5, 2013. Proposals for revision of RDA inst

Re: [RDA-L] Hole part description

2013-05-02 Thread Bernhard Eversberg
01.05.2013 05:18, J. McRee Elrod: What I object to is the assumption that it's the /only legitimate way of doing it. ... the title of the whole and the title of the part are not even stored in the same record ... We are not fond of 245$a$p. To me, the UKMARK 248 was a FAR better way of doin