Re: [RDA-L] Uniform titles in RDA
25.09.2013 17:44, Jack Wu: ... after some length of time, will the rule become the alternative again, and the alternative again become the rule? Will East and West, in this case, English and German, ever meet? No wonder there are endless change proposals and endless updating. Try as I might, I fail to see how the whole endeavor can possibly lead to anything but endless confusion in an inflation of inconsistencies. And a large part of these results from inadequacies of systems that cannot keep up with changes nor have ever been able to implement features that had been around in AACR2 and MARC for a long while. I mean, if even am annoying detail like this, criticized time and again long before RDA, is beyond repair, then what can we hope for? Even if we had all the qualified staff it would take... B.Eversberg
Re: [RDA-L] Uniform titles in RDA
Very interesting. Bernhard's last sentence says it all. If his prediction holds, after some length of time, will the rule become the alternative again, and the alternative again become the rule? Will East and West, in this case, English and German, ever meet? No wonder there are endless change proposals and endless updating. Jack Wu Franciscan university of Steubenville Bernhard Eversberg e...@biblio.tu-bs.de 9/24/2013 7:43 AM 24.09.2013 13:01, Danskin, Alan: ... JSC recognised that the omission of the article is not good practice because the resulting title does not accurately represent the resource and (more importantly) may render the title ungrammatical in inflected languages. That antiquated omission rule was a mistake from the start and could easily have been avoided. The omission posed a significant barrier to adoption of RDA by German speaking communities. In 2011 the Deutsche Nationalbibliothek put forward a change proposal (6JSC/Chair/3) to designate the (existing) instructions (to omit the initial article) as alternative instructions and to introduce new instructions to enable the initial article to be retained. The proposal was agreed by JSC and was implemented in RDA in April 2012. A noble move, but as things are, the inflected language nations will abolish their inflections earlier than communities raised on AACR+MARC will implement any such change. B.Eversberg Scanned by for virus, malware and spam by SCM appliance
Re: [RDA-L] Uniform titles in RDA
As Kevin Randall pointed out:
The guidelines are clearly stated in RDA 6.2.1.7:
Initial Articles
When recording the title, include an
initial article, if present.
Alternative: Omit an initial article
(see appendix C) unless the title for a work is to be accessed under
that article (e.g., a title that begins with the name of a person or
place).
So, either approach is permitted. The choice will depend on your
context, as Kevin also noted:
The LC-PCC PS says to apply the alternative
The background to these alternative instructions is that theAACR2 rule
to omit the initial article from the Uniform Title (and other controlled
access points) was perpetuated in RDA instructions for Preferred Title
for the Work in order to avoid wholesale changes to authorised headings
in authority records. Nevertheless, JSC recognised that the omission
of the article is not good practice because the resulting title does not
accurately represent the resource and (more importantly) may render the
title ungrammatical in inflected languages.
The omission posed a significant barrier to adoption of RDA by German
speaking communities. In 2011 the Deutsche Nationalbibliothek put
forward a change proposal (6JSC/Chair/3) to designate the (existing)
instructions (to omit the initial article) as alternative instructions
and to introduce new instructions to enable the initial article to be
retained.
The proposal was agreed by JSC and was implemented in RDA in April 2012.
Alan
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Jay Shorten posted:
Is it now RDA practice to enter the uniform title with articles?
RDA practice aside, this would not work in our present ILS's. We should
not create records without regard for what our patrons must now use.
While most ILS have implemented the 245 filing indicator, I doubt many
have the 240 one. Also, when the 240 moves to a 600$t or 700$t, there
should be no initial article. There is also value in consistency with
legacy records for cross walk to Bibframe. We do not yet know how
Bibframe will deal with uniform initial articles do we?
I would follow the RDA alternative and LCPCCPS, dropping that article.
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Re: [RDA-L] Uniform titles in RDA
24.09.2013 13:01, Danskin, Alan: ... JSC recognised that the omission of the article is not good practice because the resulting title does not accurately represent the resource and (more importantly) may render the title ungrammatical in inflected languages. That antiquated omission rule was a mistake from the start and could easily have been avoided. The omission posed a significant barrier to adoption of RDA by German speaking communities. In 2011 the Deutsche Nationalbibliothek put forward a change proposal (6JSC/Chair/3) to designate the (existing) instructions (to omit the initial article) as alternative instructions and to introduce new instructions to enable the initial article to be retained. The proposal was agreed by JSC and was implemented in RDA in April 2012. A noble move, but as things are, the inflected language nations will abolish their inflections earlier than communities raised on AACR+MARC will implement any such change. B.Eversberg
[RDA-L] Uniform titles in RDA
Is it now RDA practice to enter the uniform title with articles? Example: LCCN 2013002020 OCLC 828333810 has a 240 14 The new school counselor rather than 240 10 New school counselor Jay Shorten Cataloger, Monographs and Electronic Resources Associate Professor of Bibliography Catalog Department University Libraries University of Oklahoma jshor...@ou.edumailto:jshor...@ou.edu
Re: [RDA-L] Uniform titles in RDA
I think not. Stephen T. Early Cataloger Center for Research Libraries 6050 S. Kenwood Chicago, IL 60637 773-955-4545 x326 sea...@crl.edu CRL website: www.crl.edu From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Shorten, Jay Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 2:23 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: [RDA-L] Uniform titles in RDA Is it now RDA practice to enter the uniform title with articles? Example: LCCN 2013002020 OCLC 828333810 has a 240 14 The new school counselor rather than 240 10 New school counselor Jay Shorten Cataloger, Monographs and Electronic Resources Associate Professor of Bibliography Catalog Department University Libraries University of Oklahoma jshor...@ou.edumailto:jshor...@ou.edu
Re: [RDA-L] Uniform titles in RDA
I certainly have no answer for yet another RDA mystery. My son who took a cataloging course this summer was thoroughly puzzled by some of the language in RDA. One big disappointment I've felt is that the 240 wasn't moved to 700 author-title. I'm wondering how we're going to explain this to non-librarians when they try to use RDA for their cataloging. Rich Aldred On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 3:22 PM, Shorten, Jay jshor...@ou.edu wrote: Is it now RDA practice to enter the uniform title with articles? Example: LCCN 2013002020 OCLC 828333810 has a *240 14 The new school counselor* rather than 240 10 New school counselor ** ** Jay Shorten Cataloger, Monographs and Electronic Resources Associate Professor of Bibliography Catalog Department University Libraries University of Oklahoma ** ** jshor...@ou.edu ** ** -- Rich Aldred Catalog Librarian Haverford College http://www.haverford.edu/library/ Haverford, PA 19041 Voice: 610-896-1273 Email: rald...@haverford.edu Fax: 610-896-1102
Re: [RDA-L] Uniform titles in RDA
Well, it's technically correct inasmuch as the MARC definition allows the second indicator to be used to account for nonfiling characters. But I have to say I've never seen it actually used. --Ben Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions and Discovery Enhancement MIT Libraries 617-253-7137 From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca] On Behalf Of Stephen Early Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 3:31 PM To: RDA-L@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Uniform titles in RDA I think not. Stephen T. Early Cataloger Center for Research Libraries 6050 S. Kenwood Chicago, IL 60637 773-955-4545 x326 sea...@crl.edumailto:sea...@crl.edu CRL website: www.crl.eduhttp://www.crl.edu From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Shorten, Jay Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 2:23 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CAmailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: [RDA-L] Uniform titles in RDA Is it now RDA practice to enter the uniform title with articles? Example: LCCN 2013002020 OCLC 828333810 has a 240 14 The new school counselor rather than 240 10 New school counselor Jay Shorten Cataloger, Monographs and Electronic Resources Associate Professor of Bibliography Catalog Department University Libraries University of Oklahoma jshor...@ou.edumailto:jshor...@ou.edu
Re: [RDA-L] Uniform titles in RDA
The guidelines are clearly stated in RDA 6.2.1.7: Initial Articles When recording the title, include an initial article, if present. Alternative: Omit an initial article (see appendix C) unless the title for a work is to be accessed under that article (e.g., a title that begins with the name of a person or place). The LC-PCC PS says to apply the alternative. The record Jay Shorten cites appears to be in error. Kevin M. Randall Principal Serials Cataloger Northwestern University Library k...@northwestern.edumailto:k...@northwestern.edu (847) 491-2939 Proudly wearing the sensible shoes since 1978! From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Shorten, Jay Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 2:23 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: [RDA-L] Uniform titles in RDA Is it now RDA practice to enter the uniform title with articles? Example: LCCN 2013002020 OCLC 828333810 has a 240 14 The new school counselor rather than 240 10 New school counselor Jay Shorten Cataloger, Monographs and Electronic Resources Associate Professor of Bibliography Catalog Department University Libraries University of Oklahoma jshor...@ou.edumailto:jshor...@ou.edu
Re: [RDA-L] Uniform titles in RDA
Jay Shorten posted:
Is it now RDA practice to enter the uniform title with articles?
RDA practice aside, this would not work in our present ILS's. We
should not create records without regard for what our patrons must now
use.
While most ILS have implemented the 245 filing indicator, I doubt many
have the 240 one. Also, when the 240 moves to a 600$t or 700$t, there
should be no initial article. There is also value in consistency with
legacy records for cross walk to Bibframe. We do not yet know how
Bibframe will deal with uniform initial articles do we?
I would follow the RDA alternative and LCPCCPS, dropping that article.
__ __ J. McRee (Mac) Elrod (m...@slc.bc.ca)
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Re: [RDA-L] Uniform titles (was: RDA Database withdrawn)
Mac Elrod wrote: One difficulty I have with this whole section is that no distinction is made (to speak in MARC) between uniform (aka preferred) title as 130 or 240, main (aka prime) entry or filing title. Preferred title is given as a required element. 6.2.2 Preferred Title for the Work Core Element Preferred title for the work is a core element. Variant titles for the work are optional. Does this mean that for items published in one edition, the only work of an author (the majority of items we catalogue), should have the title recorded twice, once as preferred and once as on item? I think it just depends on how you are going to implement RDA in the context of your online catalog. In a way, we have always had what amounts to a preferred title in AACR2. It's just not treated differently from the title proper. Using AACR2 in a MARC 21 record, you don't need to record a 130 or 240 if the title proper of the manifestation (245 $a/n/p) is exactly how the uniform title would appear. RDA is very specific about naming every single thing. But in a MARC 21 implementation, it's possible to use one instance of a MARC element (or group of elements) represent multiple RDA elements or preferred names/titles. The lack of a 130 or 240 means that the title in 245 $a/n/p is the preferred title. I can't imagine that we will change from that practice in the MARC 21 environment (although I wouldn't be surprised to see someone experiment using redundant 130 and 240 fields, hopefully *outside* of WorldCat!) Kevin M. Randall Principal Serials Cataloger Bibliographic Services Dept. Northwestern University Library 1970 Campus Drive Evanston, IL 60208-2300 email: k...@northwestern.edu phone: (847) 491-2939 fax: (847) 491-4345
