[RE-wrenches] Interconnection with Generator

2014-10-28 Thread Corey Shalanski
Wrenches, We frequently encounter residences with backup generators. The question that arises: how should the PV system be interconnected? I have searched the archives and found some good information about this subject, but nothing definitive. I have fallen into the habit of broadly proclaiming

Re: [RE-wrenches] Interconnection with Generator

2014-10-28 Thread Jerry Shafer
We make it a rule simple and safe. We have 3 to 500 k gen-sets and its all the same On Oct 28, 2014 4:48 AM, Corey Shalanski cshalan...@joule-energy.com wrote: Wrenches, We frequently encounter residences with backup generators. The question that arises: how should the PV system be

Re: [RE-wrenches] Interconnection with Generator

2014-10-28 Thread Aaron Mandelkorn
I always connect to the utility side of the transfer switch. Since the transfer switch is a listed electrical enclosure it is the best option I have used. Aaron Aaron Mandelkorn Owner/Solar Specialist Renewable Energy Outfitters 719-221-5249 970-596-3744 www.reosolar.com reoso...@gmail.com

Re: [RE-wrenches] Interconnection with Generator

2014-10-28 Thread Daniel Young
We also go to the utility side as a rule. We have only one exception. A 60kW Solectria inverter is tied into a building system that is supported by a 1 MW generator. It's a university heating plant where it was clearly shown the base load was far larger than the 60kw solar PV system, even when

Re: [RE-wrenches] Interconnection with Generator

2014-10-28 Thread Phil Forest
Interconnecting the inverter output to the utility side of the transfer switch is not necessarily an absolute rule. A knowledgeable solar EE told me a few years back, that interconnection can be made on the load side if the inverter kW output is small compared to the generator kW, that large kW

Re: [RE-wrenches] Interconnection with Generator

2014-10-28 Thread Chris Mason
We run into this a lot in the Caribbean. Our general rule is that it depends on the load. If it is a constant commercial load and the PV is about half of the load, no issue. But for residential and where PV exceeds the lowest load, we prefer to be on the utility side of the ATS or use a contactor

Re: [RE-wrenches] Interconnection with Generator

2014-10-28 Thread Dave Click
The inverter to generator ratio is entirely the designer's call and comes into play for large generators (for residential systems as mentioned in earlier replies, it's a bad idea). Interconnecting in spot networks in dense urban areas has a similar issue in that the distribution system can't

[RE-wrenches] Code reference request

2014-10-28 Thread Kirk
Hi, I'm on a jobsite without my code book. Could someone tell me where in the code ungrounded systems do not require the inverter GEC? Basically my onsite electrician doesn't believe me. Thanks. Kirk Herander VSE ___ List sponsored by Redwood Alliance

Re: [RE-wrenches] Code reference request

2014-10-28 Thread John Stimac
690.41 specifies the system grounding requirements for PV systems and includes an exception if the system complies with 690.35 Ungrounded Photovoltaic Power Systems. -- John Stimac | Corvallis, OR Renewable Energy Associates LLC 541-754-2001 Office/Fax j...@renewableassociates.com

Re: [RE-wrenches] Code reference request

2014-10-28 Thread Gary Willett
Kirk: A DC grounding electrode conductor (GEC) is not required for inverters that do NOT have a ground reference for the PV+ and PV- conductor(s) from the PV array. A GEC is not required if the string inverter is one of the new TL (transformerless) types. Also, this applies to

Re: [RE-wrenches] Code reference request

2014-10-28 Thread Rebekah Hren
If you are on 2014: 690.47(B) An ac equipment grounding system shall be permitted to be used for equipment grounding of inverters and other equipment *and for the ground-fault detection reference for * *ungrounded PV systems.* and 690.47(C)(3) *For ungrounded systems, this con**ductor shall

[RE-wrenches] Pathfinder vs. Suneye

2014-10-28 Thread Dana Brandt
Hi Wrenches, We've been using the Pathfinder along with the Pathfinder Assistant software for several years and mostly like it. My concern with it is there's no way to combine two or three shading images to account for a string of modules spanning those different shading conditions. I've spoken

Re: [RE-wrenches] Pathfinder vs. Suneye

2014-10-28 Thread Ray Walters
I've not done a side by side comparison, but the Pathfinder seems to be slightly conservative, especially depending on which latitude sheet you are using. I sometimes switch sheets and try both, when the latitude is close to falling between (ie 37 deg, and there is 37 to 43 sheet or a 31 to

Re: [RE-wrenches] Pathfinder vs. Suneye

2014-10-28 Thread Allan Sindelar
Dana, I'm not going to answer your question directly, but rather I'd like to add to Ray's comments. In short. use the SunEye for grid tie work; use the Pathfinder for off grid. If you don't do off grid (most installers don't any more, if they ever did) don't

[RE-wrenches] Passive Battery Venting

2014-10-28 Thread Drake
Hello Wrenches, A client wants to use a passive battery venting method with a heat exchanger to the outside for his bank of Full River AGM batteries. Below is a link to one site that recommends this method. Has anyone used this method?

Re: [RE-wrenches] multiple points of grid connection and the opposite end of the bus rule

2014-10-28 Thread Jason Szumlanski
Admittedly I only partially understand your scenario, but I have found that multiple points of interconnection to a single service are not problematic as long as the rules of 690.64 (NEC 2008) are followed. We have done supply side and load side connections on the same service - which sometimes

Re: [RE-wrenches] AC combiners

2014-10-28 Thread Jason Szumlanski
I agree with Dave - spring for the AC combiner. If you market is so competitive that $75 makes a difference, move to Florida... on second thought... :) Jason Szumlanski On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 1:39 PM, Dave Click davecl...@fsec.ucf.edu wrote: Bill, typically inverters have a max OCPD that can

Re: [RE-wrenches] Passive Battery Venting

2014-10-28 Thread Jerry Shafer
I have used hi low vents on the same exterior wall with no issues and we have used the firewall through wall terminals there we a pvc box and connect the pipe to that. Every part has a price and it all adds up On Oct 28, 2014 12:54 PM, Drake drake.chamber...@redwoodalliance.org wrote: Hello

Re: [RE-wrenches] Passive Battery Venting

2014-10-28 Thread Ray Walters
That's an interesting idea, but all the failed designs they illustrate don't show the way we usually do it. We don't even bother with an inlet, as most battery boxes have enough gap around the door to provide intake air, then the exhaust comes off the top with several feet of rise to prevent

Re: [RE-wrenches] Passive Battery Venting

2014-10-28 Thread Jerry Shafer
We do what we can to seal the enclosure so if or when a battery fails and really gasses off the two vents on the same wall regardless of wind direction will vent the gas. If it is not sealed then the gas can travel through out the area this is not advised. On Oct 28, 2014 4:06 PM, Ray Walters

Re: [RE-wrenches] Passive Battery Venting

2014-10-28 Thread Jerry Shafer
I do agree steel and copper/brass is to expensive for the possible return. On Oct 28, 2014 4:10 PM, Jerry Shafer jerrysgarag...@gmail.com wrote: We do what we can to seal the enclosure so if or when a battery fails and really gasses off the two vents on the same wall regardless of wind

Re: [RE-wrenches] Passive Battery Venting

2014-10-28 Thread Ray Walters
That's why we usually have the batteries in a garage, basement, or out building that is not open to the living space. I've seen some cases of very well sealed and insulated enclosures allowing batteries to over heat, and also build up a lot of acid damaged connections. Boxes I've seen with more

Re: [RE-wrenches] Pathfinder vs. Suneye

2014-10-28 Thread William Miller
Dana: You can evaluate multiple points with a Pathfinder, thusly: 1.In case you were not aware, the little numbers in between the hours add up to 100% over a day. 2.Create a spreadsheet with all of the numbers present. Make it mimic the layout on the Pathfinder. 3.For any